July 26, 2026
“The “White” Odyssey: Elon Musk Vows To Produce An Anti-Woke Version Coming Soon
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RSS Feed As “The Odyssey” continues to dominate the box office for the second weekend in a row, Elon Musk has renewed his vow to create an AI version of Christopher Nolan’s “The Odyssey”. Musk maintains that Nolan cast non-white characters in his movie in order to be considered for the Academy Awards. Musk, telling his followers, “Before this year ends, Grok Imagine will make a full-length movie of The Odyssey that is historically accurate and true to the art of Home.”
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Sunday, July twenty six, and The Odyssey is once again doing gangbusters at the box office this weekend. It is breaking records at the box office this weekend, is expected to continue to break records, maybe through the summer and even into the fall. But already there's another more accurate Odyssey in the works. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Looking forward to this next And this is not a sequel, This is a replacement, if you will, that's supposed to be more accurate robes than the one we just saw at theaters a few days ago.
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Speaker 2: I would say that the operative phrase there is supposed to be because there's a lot of questions. There are a lot of questions to have the correct subject verb agreement there, there are a lot of questions about what that actually means, because again on the punchine, you go thousands and thousands of years back. What does it look like to be a Greek? What does it look like to be a Roman? What does it look like to be Helen of Troy? Yes, these are all the questions that are circling, or at least being asked, no, forgive me, They aren't questions being asked.
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Speaker 3: There are discrepancies being.
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Speaker 2: Pointed out, and there are folks who believe that what we're seeing in the theaters is woke, it's not accurate, and therefore it's not appropriate, and we shouldn't be celebrating this.
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Speaker 3: We shouldn't be entertained by this. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I guess this is a certain segment of the population and there are people who are applauding this. But yes, Elon Musk is asking us to reconsider what we're watching and what we're actually enjoying in the theaters.
00:02:01
Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of you all saw this coming. Ever since the Odyssey was announced, Christopher Nolan was attached and he started casting. He has been railing against Christopher Nolan and this movie. So this isn't a surprise to Elon Musk. Robes days after The Odyssey comes out and just blows the roof off cinema's all over the world. He comes out, and Elon Musk has now said he is going to produce and AI, a full feature film AI version of The Odyssey that he says is going to be historically accurate. He put out a clip, by the way, teasing it but the idea of that the word he used, historically accurate. What's the why do a lot of people laugh when you say historically accurate version of the Odyssey?
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Speaker 2: We laugh because there's no way to know if that's even possible, because who was around? How do we even know what things look like back in the days of Homer and the Odyssey? And we're actually talking about something that is mythological.
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Speaker 3: We are talking.
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Speaker 2: About something that isn't even real. So why do we need things to be historically accurate when we are.
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Speaker 3: Depicting a story.
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Speaker 2: That never actually happened. So I guess I'm confused because this is all fiction, this is mythology, and yes we learn about it in school, and yes we learn about how back in the day things were explained and stories were told, but it doesn't mean that any of it actually occurred.
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Speaker 1: The Cyclopes right is that call? Isn't it a cyclope? Right?
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Speaker 2: So do we need a historically accurate cyclops?
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Speaker 3: Sirens?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 3: This is actually laughable.
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Speaker 2: I'm laughing because it's laughable, but it's actually not funny when you think about how people who are right behind Elon Musk aren't getting the fact that this is a joke.
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Speaker 3: What is a This is a fictional characterization.
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Speaker 1: They got us, They got us arguing about the wrong thing. They got us hooting and Holland about the wrong thing. Robes, we are trying to take somebody to task with logic. It's a fictional story. Somebody can do what they want. But that's not the point of any of these things, is it, Robes. Isn't it just to divide us more, to split people up, to actually say, you know what, I don't appreciate what you're doing in Hollywood with this movie or your previous movie. So I'm gonna take this one and make a point. And they're trying to make a point, to divide us more, to say, Robes that here's another example of Hollywood, the left of radicals, whatever you want to say, Robes, who are once again blackwashing or in so way, Robes getting them out of the picture. And they're just using this as another example. But they make us make a logical argument. Well, it's a fictional story, it's a myth. But da da da da, that's not the point. And for them to have us arguing about the wrong ish, it's just once again dividing us all over some foolishness, and it's a cool story most of us read in school. It's a wonderful movie. Let's enjoy it. What the fuck's the problem?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that the issue should be and I do think it's something worth noting.
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Speaker 3: I hate.
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Speaker 2: In any way giving Elon Musk some sort of like I don't know, you don't want to add to the headlines, but I do think it's worth noting that. What is his problem? Like, I actually want to know. Is it that Helen of Troy is black thing ding? Is it that the most beautiful woman in the world could possibly be someone who books like Lapita Nyango.
00:06:02
Speaker 1: He's saying that directly.
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Speaker 3: Now she's gorgeous, Like, who has an issue with that?
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Speaker 1: He does? Because this was supposed to be a blondehaired, fair skinned lady, right, wasn't she to whom wasn't described that way?
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Speaker 2: Fine in a fictional fictional fuck you can oh sorry poem, a fictional poem that.
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Speaker 1: You can take with ever liberty. I have no problem with that.
00:06:24
Speaker 2: Look at Hamilton and the success of Hamilton. We actually took like historical figures who we know are white, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton. You can go ahead and name the rest of the Founding Founders Founding fathers.
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Speaker 3: We know they're all white, and yet we enjoyed the hell out of.
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Speaker 2: Seeing a diverse cast portray our Founding fathers. It was fun, it was exciting, it was inclusive, and it actually brought history to a whole segment of our folks, including I think, I would say, our kids, who would not have known as much as they knew about the founding of America if they hadn't loved Hamilton. I think there is an argument and there was a genuine excitement around inclusiveness when it comes to fictional history, whatever however you want to put it. But fictionalized history where you bring in people to the story that you bring people to the table, you get people excited about watching a story that looks like them, sounds like them, that isn't without at least some sort of inclusiveness. I think that's a fun, awesome way we can tell stories today.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So for all of those and even plenty of white people, fair minded white people can agree that there's a certain segment of the white population that feel like a lot is being taken from them, right that that's been taken from them, And the Equal Opportunity Commission is now asking for white people to especially if you think you've been discriminated against it work, please send us your complaints that idea that something is being taken from them and they're being discriminated against. Robes, white, blonde, most beautiful woman the world has ever known. Yes, it's a myth. You're taking that from them now, you are taking the most beautiful woman and celebrated character almost the world has ever known, and you're telling me she's that dark.
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Speaker 3: I think it's awesome.
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Speaker 2: I love expanding people's idea of what they think the standard of beauty is.
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Speaker 3: And that is in the eye of the beholder, ain't it.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it cool to be able to tell a story that's as old as we could all remember, like obviously from generations past, and retell it in a modern lens. And I think that's awesome. And I say this as a blonde hair blue one woman who says, yeah, you know, Charlie's thereon is in the movie. She's just not Helen of Troy and that's okay.
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Speaker 1: She's not Athena either, right.
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Speaker 2: Not Athena either. That's dayah, And you know what, I love it. I think it's awesome. Can we not all celebrate that? I feel like most of us can. It's I do want to say this, I really do believe this, babe. Look, it is the vocal minority, and unfortunately it is someone who is heralded and has the money and the platform and the speakerphone to shout it from the mountaintops. And there are going to be people who are always going to say yeah, But I do I do think that this is unfortunately the vocal minority. But they're loud and and yes, what he's saying is making headlines, and what he's saying needs to be acknowledged because it is something we should be discussing, something we should be aware of, and it is disturbing.
00:10:05
Speaker 3: Why is that so offensive? Why is that so awful.
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Speaker 2: To tell a story that we've all been taught and actually tell it through a different, more modern lens. Why is that an issue? Why does that bother anyone? I asked that question. Why would that bother a white person? Why would that bother somebody who wants it to be told in a pure, I don't know, old fashioned version.
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Speaker 3: Why is it not okay? To tell it in a modern way.
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Speaker 1: Also, why is it not okay for a Christopher Nolan to tell it? How off the hell Christophan Nolan wants to tell it? I'm okay with that as well. Take whatever liberty you want to take of something that is fiction. It's fiction. And obviously, Lupita Niango Oscar as an Oscar winning actress.
00:10:51
Speaker 3: And played Helen of Troy amazingly.
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Speaker 2: I thought she was awesome and regal and beautiful and.
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Speaker 1: Powerful way I've never seen it.
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Speaker 3: I loved, I loved watching her play Helen.
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Speaker 1: Tru scare me a little bit of times. But this is This was a tweet from Elon must just days after the movie came out. Quote before this year's end, Rock Imagine will feature or will make a full length movie of the Odyssey that is historically accurate and true to the art of Homer. Now. Earlier last year he said this about the movie, quote, Chris Nolan desecrated the Odyssey so that he would be eligible for an Academy Award. Now he's making a suggestion. There there are some what's what's the right way to put the way they put it? Representation and inclusion standards to be eligible for the Academy Awards. We'll get into that in just a second. This was another ropes he said about Christopher Nolan. He called him an anti woke racist.
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Speaker 3: He called a white I'm trying to get my anti woke.
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Speaker 2: So he's saying he's racist against white people, right, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Racist against white people because he made a movie in which Zendeia and Lupita Neango played to Athena. Was she I don't know what she was described as.
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Speaker 2: Athena is considered one of the more beautiful women in Greek mythology.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but look, I just I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I I ask Elon Musk to ask us white girls what we think about it. I think it's awesome, and I think most I think I do, And I don't know who he's speaking for.
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Speaker 1: What, of course you do? Maybe nobody cares. Nobody consulting with white women about what this is about white men and power and what's been taken from them? What was just taken, oh, Robes. We just took another you talk, the most beautiful woman in the world away from them and gave them to us, to another community to admire. Robes. I really do think what we're saying is does he love Homer so much? That is just I can't stand it. What he's done to my favorite work of literature. I doubt it. So what is it about Robes? It's just about further division and cultural damage and wars that we wage. It's just it's unfortunate. But the movie. Here's the upside. All his anti this in that campaign against the movie over the past year did not work. Robes, And this is why a lot of people say this the success of the movie is the reason he threw together this new movie or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Because he wants to piggyback on the success of the very film he is trying to take down, which he has been unsuccessful in doing.
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Speaker 1: Will they say it was just driving him crazy, that the movie is doing so well that he needed to make some big move. That was the one he made. This weekend, the movie has done it. Eighty seven million dollars. Wow, The Odyssey is number one again with eighty seven million dollars. Any that is almost good enough to rank as one of the top movies of the year in their first weekend. This is their second weekend with eighty seven million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Bro.
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Speaker 1: As we talk about the decline thirty percent from first weekend to second weekend these days is unheard of. The point is this movie is doing historically well. So combined now over the past two weekends, this movie is made nearly six hundred and forty million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
00:14:34
Speaker 1: Yes, it was a big price tag two hundred and fifty million to make another one hundred million plus to produce excuse me, to market. It's doing just fine.
00:14:42
Speaker 2: It's profitable even with that sort of overhead, which is significant.
00:14:47
Speaker 1: And now they say, because he shot it in this seventy millimeters this Imax thing he shoots in they own. I didn't know this. There's only forty one of those theaters in the world, So if you want the real, the best expelace, you have to go to one of those theaters. They're sold out through September.
00:15:04
Speaker 2: You can't even see it if you want to pay the high price time to see it in one of those theaters.
00:15:10
Speaker 1: That's why they're saying. This thing is just getting started and it has legs possibly for months.
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is the second biggest second weekend ever for a rated AR movie, if that makes any sense, Because obviously you've got a lot of animated films like targeted towards kids that do really well in follow up weekends. So for a rated AR movie where adults can make the choice to go, this is the second biggest second weekend ever.
00:15:38
Speaker 1: Radar movies just don't do this well because that's so much of the audience can't go, and.
00:15:44
Speaker 2: If you can go, you make your mind to go up or to go see it. The first weekend, what was the it was, uh, Wolverine?
00:15:51
Speaker 1: What was the Deadpool? And Wolverine was the other R rated movie that did so well. But we did mention. I did say a second ago ropes this accusation from Elon Musk with saying that he made The Odyssey diverse because he was trying to be eligible for an Academy Award. Well, he's not that terribly far off. There are rules about diversity if you're going to be nominated for Best Picture. All right, Well continue here on Amy and TJ. With The Odyssey doing its thing. We had we talked about it. The movie's done. Well, we enjoyed it. It was done. We enjoyed the movie, but we enjoyed our movie experience.
00:16:39
Speaker 2: It just havn't be a funny day at the the movie experience was we I think we've let this be known to most folks who listen or watch us that we, yes are in the Hamptons and.
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Speaker 3: We went to go see the Well.
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Speaker 2: It's Odysseus here in the Hamptons on a Wednesday at three pm. And who knew it was going to be completely packed and filled with Secret Service agents with members of the Trump administration in attendance. Yes, it was a hell of an event for us.
00:17:11
Speaker 1: Glad I could find the seats. Apparently people over seventy don't have the best eyesight dark. It was a lot going on there, but it was fun. It was ridiculous.
00:17:19
Speaker 2: There was a lot to unpack, not just in the screen, but in the seats in front of us, around us.
00:17:26
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
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Speaker 2: But yes, three hours later we emerged and we had a lot of conversations around what we just saw.
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Speaker 3: But it was it was epic, It was it was something that I'm really glad I saw.
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Speaker 2: We never fell asleep, and that says something because you and me late afternoon the dark theater. Yeah, we've been up since o dark thirty and we don't tend to stay awake.
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Speaker 3: I will say that to me is the Best.
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Speaker 2: Maybe perhaps review we could give it is that we were awake the entire.
00:18:01
Speaker 1: Time, no events. How was the movie?
00:18:04
Speaker 3: We stayed awake, and I mean that means it was good.
00:18:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that sounds crazy, but that is a compliment, mister Nolan. We did mention here quickly. Robes they do have. The Academy has does now have representation and inclusion standards that you have to meet certain criteria if your film is going to be eligible for Best I did not know this. It is there. It is a real thing. However, the standard it's not that difficult to meet. If you will. You have to meet two of four of the standards will be required for the film to be eligible for Best Picture. One of those standards, ROBES is on screen representation, themes and narratives. So a film has to have at least one of the following areas have a lead or significant supporting actors from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group. Okay, so if you have a lead actor or a couple of significant actor, that doesn't seem that difficult, but it could be.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: The other thing you have to do is a general ensemble cast at least thirty percent of all actors have to come from two underrepresented groups, which could be women, LGBTQ plus. Okay, so that doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Also is not a very high standard. It's not right now, no.
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Speaker 1: General ensemble cast. As long as you got thirty.
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Speaker 3: Not all white men.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're good.
00:19:24
Speaker 2: So even sorry, all white straight men as long as you don't have all white straight men in your movie and you have if that, as long as that only represents seventy percent of your movie, am I correct in saying that you are then eligible for an Academy Award?
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Speaker 1: And it's not high.
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Speaker 3: That's not high.
00:19:42
Speaker 2: Here's the No, you only need thirty percent women slash. Okay, Yes, you've got a lot of options.
00:19:50
Speaker 1: My point is about Elon Musk, if he even even wants to throw this in his face about the casting. There were very there were very easy ways to be eligible. One of the other one's robes is that the main storyline and subject matter has to be centered on an underrepresented group. So you could have all white everything talking about a women, a movie about women, and you're good.
00:20:13
Speaker 3: There you go. But yeah, and again, just to like.
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Speaker 2: Bring this home in terms of the outrage about it being woke, we are talking about a movie that involved cyclops and creatures and sirens and gods.
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Speaker 1: Look at the witch with the pigs and.
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Speaker 2: Witches and like this is all fantasy and fiction and Greek mythology. And yes, Helen of Troy Lupita Niango is one of the more beautiful women in the world.
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Speaker 3: If like she would be among them.
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Speaker 2: So who would argue that black, white, Hispanic, Asian whatever, like we're just talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yes, is that a believable cast?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 3: They did. They fit what Homer described.
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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe not in skin tone, but in depiction in every other way.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's okay that in modern times we make decisions and look at stories that have maybe historic significance that aren't historical in nature but maybe just in fiction, and take it with a modern twist and make it an Academy Award winning film.
00:21:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on, Christopher Nolan.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, great Elon Musk I like this will be fascinating. He has now promised the world he is delivering an ai historically accurate version of this same film. Would it be eligible for an Academy Award? Would it to Where would this be seen? Where is this going to be?
00:21:49
Speaker 1: He'll put it out somewhere. He has a big enough platform, he'll put it in enough places people will see it.
00:21:54
Speaker 3: But the clip always a pr move.
00:21:57
Speaker 1: He sounds like a personal vendetta. And whatever it may be, and whatever his beliefs are, I don't know what is what's in his heart. It's fine, it's fine if we want to take issue. And I mean, we have movie critics for a reason. You can critique what you see and that's fine. Just what's the conversation. You can do that without calling somebody a racist, without throwing woke into it, without attacking Lupita Nango. You can do all this, Elliott Page, you can do all this. It didn't even mention, right, You can do all this without being mean, being just downright mean about his own.
00:22:27
Speaker 3: Daughter is in that community.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: And so it's yeah, this is something that actually should be personal to him. But he's taking it on and folks will have their reactions to it, but I think it's important to understand what he's saying. And hey, people are still going and they're watching, and by all accounts, they're loving Christopher Nolan's version of Odysseus, just as we did so without everyone. We always appreciate you listening to us I made me roback alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Sunday, July twenty six, and The Odyssey is once again doing gangbusters at the box office this weekend. It is breaking records at the box office this weekend, is expected to continue to break records, maybe through the summer and even into the fall. But already there's another more accurate Odyssey in the works. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Looking forward to this next And this is not a sequel, This is a replacement, if you will, that's supposed to be more accurate robes than the one we just saw at theaters a few days ago.
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Speaker 2: I would say that the operative phrase there is supposed to be because there's a lot of questions. There are a lot of questions to have the correct subject verb agreement there, there are a lot of questions about what that actually means, because again on the punchine, you go thousands and thousands of years back. What does it look like to be a Greek? What does it look like to be a Roman? What does it look like to be Helen of Troy? Yes, these are all the questions that are circling, or at least being asked, no, forgive me, They aren't questions being asked.
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Speaker 3: There are discrepancies being.
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Speaker 2: Pointed out, and there are folks who believe that what we're seeing in the theaters is woke, it's not accurate, and therefore it's not appropriate, and we shouldn't be celebrating this.
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Speaker 3: We shouldn't be entertained by this. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I guess this is a certain segment of the population and there are people who are applauding this. But yes, Elon Musk is asking us to reconsider what we're watching and what we're actually enjoying in the theaters.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of you all saw this coming. Ever since the Odyssey was announced, Christopher Nolan was attached and he started casting. He has been railing against Christopher Nolan and this movie. So this isn't a surprise to Elon Musk. Robes days after The Odyssey comes out and just blows the roof off cinema's all over the world. He comes out, and Elon Musk has now said he is going to produce and AI, a full feature film AI version of The Odyssey that he says is going to be historically accurate. He put out a clip, by the way, teasing it but the idea of that the word he used, historically accurate. What's the why do a lot of people laugh when you say historically accurate version of the Odyssey?
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Speaker 2: We laugh because there's no way to know if that's even possible, because who was around? How do we even know what things look like back in the days of Homer and the Odyssey? And we're actually talking about something that is mythological.
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Speaker 3: We are talking.
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Speaker 2: About something that isn't even real. So why do we need things to be historically accurate when we are.
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Speaker 3: Depicting a story.
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Speaker 2: That never actually happened. So I guess I'm confused because this is all fiction, this is mythology, and yes we learn about it in school, and yes we learn about how back in the day things were explained and stories were told, but it doesn't mean that any of it actually occurred.
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Speaker 1: The Cyclopes right is that call? Isn't it a cyclope? Right?
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Speaker 2: So do we need a historically accurate cyclops?
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Speaker 3: Sirens?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 3: This is actually laughable.
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Speaker 2: I'm laughing because it's laughable, but it's actually not funny when you think about how people who are right behind Elon Musk aren't getting the fact that this is a joke.
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Speaker 3: What is a This is a fictional characterization.
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Speaker 1: They got us, They got us arguing about the wrong thing. They got us hooting and Holland about the wrong thing. Robes, we are trying to take somebody to task with logic. It's a fictional story. Somebody can do what they want. But that's not the point of any of these things, is it, Robes. Isn't it just to divide us more, to split people up, to actually say, you know what, I don't appreciate what you're doing in Hollywood with this movie or your previous movie. So I'm gonna take this one and make a point. And they're trying to make a point, to divide us more, to say, Robes that here's another example of Hollywood, the left of radicals, whatever you want to say, Robes, who are once again blackwashing or in so way, Robes getting them out of the picture. And they're just using this as another example. But they make us make a logical argument. Well, it's a fictional story, it's a myth. But da da da da, that's not the point. And for them to have us arguing about the wrong ish, it's just once again dividing us all over some foolishness, and it's a cool story most of us read in school. It's a wonderful movie. Let's enjoy it. What the fuck's the problem?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that the issue should be and I do think it's something worth noting.
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Speaker 3: I hate.
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Speaker 2: In any way giving Elon Musk some sort of like I don't know, you don't want to add to the headlines, but I do think it's worth noting that. What is his problem? Like, I actually want to know. Is it that Helen of Troy is black thing ding? Is it that the most beautiful woman in the world could possibly be someone who books like Lapita Nyango.
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Speaker 1: He's saying that directly.
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Speaker 3: Now she's gorgeous, Like, who has an issue with that?
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Speaker 1: He does? Because this was supposed to be a blondehaired, fair skinned lady, right, wasn't she to whom wasn't described that way?
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Speaker 2: Fine in a fictional fictional fuck you can oh sorry poem, a fictional poem that.
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Speaker 1: You can take with ever liberty. I have no problem with that.
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Speaker 2: Look at Hamilton and the success of Hamilton. We actually took like historical figures who we know are white, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton. You can go ahead and name the rest of the Founding Founders Founding fathers.
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Speaker 3: We know they're all white, and yet we enjoyed the hell out of.
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Speaker 2: Seeing a diverse cast portray our Founding fathers. It was fun, it was exciting, it was inclusive, and it actually brought history to a whole segment of our folks, including I think, I would say, our kids, who would not have known as much as they knew about the founding of America if they hadn't loved Hamilton. I think there is an argument and there was a genuine excitement around inclusiveness when it comes to fictional history, whatever however you want to put it. But fictionalized history where you bring in people to the story that you bring people to the table, you get people excited about watching a story that looks like them, sounds like them, that isn't without at least some sort of inclusiveness. I think that's a fun, awesome way we can tell stories today.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So for all of those and even plenty of white people, fair minded white people can agree that there's a certain segment of the white population that feel like a lot is being taken from them, right that that's been taken from them, And the Equal Opportunity Commission is now asking for white people to especially if you think you've been discriminated against it work, please send us your complaints that idea that something is being taken from them and they're being discriminated against. Robes, white, blonde, most beautiful woman the world has ever known. Yes, it's a myth. You're taking that from them now, you are taking the most beautiful woman and celebrated character almost the world has ever known, and you're telling me she's that dark.
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Speaker 3: I think it's awesome.
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Speaker 2: I love expanding people's idea of what they think the standard of beauty is.
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Speaker 3: And that is in the eye of the beholder, ain't it.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it cool to be able to tell a story that's as old as we could all remember, like obviously from generations past, and retell it in a modern lens. And I think that's awesome. And I say this as a blonde hair blue one woman who says, yeah, you know, Charlie's thereon is in the movie. She's just not Helen of Troy and that's okay.
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Speaker 1: She's not Athena either, right.
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Speaker 2: Not Athena either. That's dayah, And you know what, I love it. I think it's awesome. Can we not all celebrate that? I feel like most of us can. It's I do want to say this, I really do believe this, babe. Look, it is the vocal minority, and unfortunately it is someone who is heralded and has the money and the platform and the speakerphone to shout it from the mountaintops. And there are going to be people who are always going to say yeah, But I do I do think that this is unfortunately the vocal minority. But they're loud and and yes, what he's saying is making headlines, and what he's saying needs to be acknowledged because it is something we should be discussing, something we should be aware of, and it is disturbing.
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Speaker 3: Why is that so offensive? Why is that so awful.
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Speaker 2: To tell a story that we've all been taught and actually tell it through a different, more modern lens. Why is that an issue? Why does that bother anyone? I asked that question. Why would that bother a white person? Why would that bother somebody who wants it to be told in a pure, I don't know, old fashioned version.
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Speaker 3: Why is it not okay? To tell it in a modern way.
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Speaker 1: Also, why is it not okay for a Christopher Nolan to tell it? How off the hell Christophan Nolan wants to tell it? I'm okay with that as well. Take whatever liberty you want to take of something that is fiction. It's fiction. And obviously, Lupita Niango Oscar as an Oscar winning actress.
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Speaker 3: And played Helen of Troy amazingly.
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Speaker 2: I thought she was awesome and regal and beautiful and.
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Speaker 1: Powerful way I've never seen it.
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Speaker 3: I loved, I loved watching her play Helen.
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Speaker 1: Tru scare me a little bit of times. But this is This was a tweet from Elon must just days after the movie came out. Quote before this year's end, Rock Imagine will feature or will make a full length movie of the Odyssey that is historically accurate and true to the art of Homer. Now. Earlier last year he said this about the movie, quote, Chris Nolan desecrated the Odyssey so that he would be eligible for an Academy Award. Now he's making a suggestion. There there are some what's what's the right way to put the way they put it? Representation and inclusion standards to be eligible for the Academy Awards. We'll get into that in just a second. This was another ropes he said about Christopher Nolan. He called him an anti woke racist.
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Speaker 3: He called a white I'm trying to get my anti woke.
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Speaker 2: So he's saying he's racist against white people, right, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Racist against white people because he made a movie in which Zendeia and Lupita Neango played to Athena. Was she I don't know what she was described as.
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Speaker 2: Athena is considered one of the more beautiful women in Greek mythology.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but look, I just I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I I ask Elon Musk to ask us white girls what we think about it. I think it's awesome, and I think most I think I do, And I don't know who he's speaking for.
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Speaker 1: What, of course you do? Maybe nobody cares. Nobody consulting with white women about what this is about white men and power and what's been taken from them? What was just taken, oh, Robes. We just took another you talk, the most beautiful woman in the world away from them and gave them to us, to another community to admire. Robes. I really do think what we're saying is does he love Homer so much? That is just I can't stand it. What he's done to my favorite work of literature. I doubt it. So what is it about Robes? It's just about further division and cultural damage and wars that we wage. It's just it's unfortunate. But the movie. Here's the upside. All his anti this in that campaign against the movie over the past year did not work. Robes, And this is why a lot of people say this the success of the movie is the reason he threw together this new movie or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Because he wants to piggyback on the success of the very film he is trying to take down, which he has been unsuccessful in doing.
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Speaker 1: Will they say it was just driving him crazy, that the movie is doing so well that he needed to make some big move. That was the one he made. This weekend, the movie has done it. Eighty seven million dollars. Wow, The Odyssey is number one again with eighty seven million dollars. Any that is almost good enough to rank as one of the top movies of the year in their first weekend. This is their second weekend with eighty seven million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Bro.
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Speaker 1: As we talk about the decline thirty percent from first weekend to second weekend these days is unheard of. The point is this movie is doing historically well. So combined now over the past two weekends, this movie is made nearly six hundred and forty million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it was a big price tag two hundred and fifty million to make another one hundred million plus to produce excuse me, to market. It's doing just fine.
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Speaker 2: It's profitable even with that sort of overhead, which is significant.
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Speaker 1: And now they say, because he shot it in this seventy millimeters this Imax thing he shoots in they own. I didn't know this. There's only forty one of those theaters in the world, So if you want the real, the best expelace, you have to go to one of those theaters. They're sold out through September.
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Speaker 2: You can't even see it if you want to pay the high price time to see it in one of those theaters.
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Speaker 1: That's why they're saying. This thing is just getting started and it has legs possibly for months.
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is the second biggest second weekend ever for a rated AR movie, if that makes any sense, Because obviously you've got a lot of animated films like targeted towards kids that do really well in follow up weekends. So for a rated AR movie where adults can make the choice to go, this is the second biggest second weekend ever.
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Speaker 1: Radar movies just don't do this well because that's so much of the audience can't go, and.
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Speaker 2: If you can go, you make your mind to go up or to go see it. The first weekend, what was the it was, uh, Wolverine?
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Speaker 1: What was the Deadpool? And Wolverine was the other R rated movie that did so well. But we did mention. I did say a second ago ropes this accusation from Elon Musk with saying that he made The Odyssey diverse because he was trying to be eligible for an Academy Award. Well, he's not that terribly far off. There are rules about diversity if you're going to be nominated for Best Picture. All right, Well continue here on Amy and TJ. With The Odyssey doing its thing. We had we talked about it. The movie's done. Well, we enjoyed it. It was done. We enjoyed the movie, but we enjoyed our movie experience.
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Speaker 2: It just havn't be a funny day at the the movie experience was we I think we've let this be known to most folks who listen or watch us that we, yes are in the Hamptons and.
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Speaker 3: We went to go see the Well.
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Speaker 2: It's Odysseus here in the Hamptons on a Wednesday at three pm. And who knew it was going to be completely packed and filled with Secret Service agents with members of the Trump administration in attendance. Yes, it was a hell of an event for us.
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Speaker 1: Glad I could find the seats. Apparently people over seventy don't have the best eyesight dark. It was a lot going on there, but it was fun. It was ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot to unpack, not just in the screen, but in the seats in front of us, around us.
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Speaker 3: It was a lot.
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Speaker 2: But yes, three hours later we emerged and we had a lot of conversations around what we just saw.
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Speaker 3: But it was it was epic, It was it was something that I'm really glad I saw.
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Speaker 2: We never fell asleep, and that says something because you and me late afternoon the dark theater. Yeah, we've been up since o dark thirty and we don't tend to stay awake.
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Speaker 3: I will say that to me is the Best.
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Speaker 2: Maybe perhaps review we could give it is that we were awake the entire.
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Speaker 1: Time, no events. How was the movie?
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Speaker 3: We stayed awake, and I mean that means it was good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that sounds crazy, but that is a compliment, mister Nolan. We did mention here quickly. Robes they do have. The Academy has does now have representation and inclusion standards that you have to meet certain criteria if your film is going to be eligible for Best I did not know this. It is there. It is a real thing. However, the standard it's not that difficult to meet. If you will. You have to meet two of four of the standards will be required for the film to be eligible for Best Picture. One of those standards, ROBES is on screen representation, themes and narratives. So a film has to have at least one of the following areas have a lead or significant supporting actors from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group. Okay, so if you have a lead actor or a couple of significant actor, that doesn't seem that difficult, but it could be.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: The other thing you have to do is a general ensemble cast at least thirty percent of all actors have to come from two underrepresented groups, which could be women, LGBTQ plus. Okay, so that doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Also is not a very high standard. It's not right now, no.
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Speaker 1: General ensemble cast. As long as you got thirty.
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Speaker 3: Not all white men.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're good.
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Speaker 2: So even sorry, all white straight men as long as you don't have all white straight men in your movie and you have if that, as long as that only represents seventy percent of your movie, am I correct in saying that you are then eligible for an Academy Award?
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Speaker 1: And it's not high.
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Speaker 3: That's not high.
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Speaker 2: Here's the No, you only need thirty percent women slash. Okay, Yes, you've got a lot of options.
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Speaker 1: My point is about Elon Musk, if he even even wants to throw this in his face about the casting. There were very there were very easy ways to be eligible. One of the other one's robes is that the main storyline and subject matter has to be centered on an underrepresented group. So you could have all white everything talking about a women, a movie about women, and you're good.
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Speaker 3: There you go. But yeah, and again, just to like.
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Speaker 2: Bring this home in terms of the outrage about it being woke, we are talking about a movie that involved cyclops and creatures and sirens and gods.
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Speaker 1: Look at the witch with the pigs and.
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Speaker 2: Witches and like this is all fantasy and fiction and Greek mythology. And yes, Helen of Troy Lupita Niango is one of the more beautiful women in the world.
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Speaker 3: If like she would be among them.
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Speaker 2: So who would argue that black, white, Hispanic, Asian whatever, like we're just talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yes, is that a believable cast?
00:20:53
Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 3: They did. They fit what Homer described.
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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe not in skin tone, but in depiction in every other way.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's okay that in modern times we make decisions and look at stories that have maybe historic significance that aren't historical in nature but maybe just in fiction, and take it with a modern twist and make it an Academy Award winning film.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on, Christopher Nolan.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, great Elon Musk I like this will be fascinating. He has now promised the world he is delivering an ai historically accurate version of this same film. Would it be eligible for an Academy Award? Would it to Where would this be seen? Where is this going to be?
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Speaker 1: He'll put it out somewhere. He has a big enough platform, he'll put it in enough places people will see it.
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Speaker 3: But the clip always a pr move.
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Speaker 1: He sounds like a personal vendetta. And whatever it may be, and whatever his beliefs are, I don't know what is what's in his heart. It's fine, it's fine if we want to take issue. And I mean, we have movie critics for a reason. You can critique what you see and that's fine. Just what's the conversation. You can do that without calling somebody a racist, without throwing woke into it, without attacking Lupita Nango. You can do all this, Elliott Page, you can do all this. It didn't even mention, right, You can do all this without being mean, being just downright mean about his own.
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Speaker 3: Daughter is in that community.
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Speaker 2: And so it's yeah, this is something that actually should be personal to him. But he's taking it on and folks will have their reactions to it, but I think it's important to understand what he's saying. And hey, people are still going and they're watching, and by all accounts, they're loving Christopher Nolan's version of Odysseus, just as we did so without everyone. We always appreciate you listening to us I made me roback alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk soon.