Feb. 26, 2026
The Glamorous Life with Jenny Bicks... (S3 E16 "Frenemies")
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two? She is returning Jenny Vicks. She wrote the incredible episode Frenemies. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. It is just such a funny thing to think back on what we had, and you know, sometimes you think, like, did we really fully appreciate what we had? I think about this my son a lot.
00:00:33
Speaker 2: I think about a lot, especially when I watched the episodes again, and I think, right, how lucky were we? And I think towards the end, I mean, I know, from my perspective, by season six, I think I was really appreciating. I was like, oh man, this is going to end like we and how special and how amazingly we got to be on that ride?
00:00:53
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and who knew the ride would continue? You know, it was a it was a ride, and yes, it was a ride for sure. I mean it was also I mean I didn't want it to end. You know, I'm not telling anyone anything that one doesn't know. I never wanted to end, but like I I, you know, and it's such a living thing. I feel like and especially. I'm also rewatching it, as you know, right, and it's so fascinating to rewatch it because it's really interesting and good and surprising. Even having been in it the first time during of saying, like, it holds up just so incredibly well.
00:01:35
Speaker 2: Way better than I you know, had I not started watching it again because of you, I think I would have been scared to watch some of the episodes. And I think there probably are some that are not holding up as well.
00:01:45
Speaker 1: No, you know what it is, Jenny, this is what it is. Because I thought that was going to be true too. There are moments, there are moments or like scenes where you're like, oh, you know what I mean. But it's very little, Like I have to say for myself, it's less than I expected.
00:01:59
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's bearing itself out. I mean, people, kids are kids above the age of sixteen whatever are finding the show. You know, people are finding the show. People.
00:02:12
Speaker 1: We love it.
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Speaker 2: Many you show people are sending me memes that I never knew existed. Dad. I'm like, Okay, that's.
00:02:19
Speaker 1: I know it.
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Speaker 2: I know it.
00:02:22
Speaker 1: I love it too. I love it too. It's really really fun and it's fun because I mean, I don't know do you did you watch Overcompensating to Overcompensating? Did you know that Benny has some podcast called Ride and Benny has been on the podcast. We love him very much And one of his lines that he says all the time is my line that I say to Kyle, I'm your wife and I'm sexual and I love you. Like he just randomly says this.
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Speaker 2: It's like so funny.
00:02:49
Speaker 1: And when he came on, I was like, why, how and why did this become like your thing? And he was just because it's so good, and I was like, okay, wow, wow, Yeah.
00:03:01
Speaker 2: You just don't know when someone's going to pick up something. By the way, also starring in over Compensating Holmes who started in Welcome to Flatch, my show that hom Fox for two seasons. Prite is amazing, amazing she does And what I love and Overcompensating is she's completely different than what she did in Flatch, Like that is so true, Blond and Overcome.
00:03:21
Speaker 1: She's incredible.
00:03:22
Speaker 2: She's incredible. She's incredible. So yes, I do love that the show has been has been refound, but it gives me such I don't want to say painful nostalgia, but it is. It's like you long for that, like I long to be back in that writer's room with us. And the good news is, I'm we're all quite close and we see each other, so in some ways we're still in the room together. But it's thank god, it's not the same.
00:03:46
Speaker 1: No. I mean, look, we went and did a whole other show so we could work together. Do you know what I mean?
00:03:51
Speaker 2: You just keep it going. It's like you want that, I.
00:03:54
Speaker 1: Really do, I know. And then they ended that show and I was like, why, I'll feel the same way, even though intellectually I know kind of why, but I'm just like, but come on, guys, why let's do something else, Like that's how I feel.
00:04:09
Speaker 2: And you know, you try to explain the feeling to like for us to other writers, like what it's like to be in a room like we were in, and you can't really explain it because it was it was so finely curated, like Michael did such a good job of kind of knowing just kind of knowing what each person was going to bring in there and and making it a safe place to be. Even though Michael one of my dearest friends. You know, I love you, Michael. Michael hibariously as you know, he's a complicated, discerning writer. Yes, he's going to tell you it's oh, yes, working, Yes, and he's going to be right ninety percent of the time. Is gonna be right, right, right, And if it's not, he'll admit it ultimately. But he who could handle him, who could work in the system where we would get the best out of everybody, and we did, and so we still it's but it's this feeling of like you want to go home again, like you I agree, you want to go home, and you know, we had it was a tough you know, shooting was really tough, Like I think we probably I don't know if we talked about this last time, but there was a point or if you talked about it with other people where we were shooting three different episodes at the same time.
00:05:29
Speaker 1: Oh at least no, I think it was like six. At one point.
00:05:32
Speaker 2: Well, we had two shirts for A B and same for that.
00:05:36
Speaker 1: It was the end of this third season, I think yes, because it was such an ambitious season, right, and then we had all those unfinished parts at the end, and we just took over all of the stages at Silver Cup and we had to have crew and the T shirts for which group they were on, so they knew where to go.
00:05:55
Speaker 2: I was thinking, and I was reminded of this only because you don't want to show how hard, like right you you all worked so hard, like we really did a moment where not only were we and this was a newer thing by the way, for film people who may be listening slash watching like to crossboard episodes. It wasn't it wasn't done in TV, right, it was done out of order in film. But what we were asking you all to do, just on a regular basis was to shoot two episodes at the same time. And now suddenly it's three episodes. You got to remember where your mind is at character wise, how are you feeling, and you've got to get get in that set and go shoot. And it's like it's true and people are running around with T shirts that say A, B and C. And you think it was hard people, but the blood and sweat shows like.
00:06:49
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree totally. I think the thing and we have talked about it. I mean, we've talked about the hours because the hours were like fully fully bonkers. We were younger, thank god, but the hours were fully insane. You know, we saw so many sunrises, so many sunrises that you know you lost track. But the thing too, I mean, like just for everyone who doesn't know what crossboarding means, because I have talked about this, but I don't know if I explained it's when. So normally, if you were doing a film, right, you know the whole script, you know, like from page one till page one thirty one or whatever it is, and you might shoot it out of order, but you know everything that's in it. So as an actor, you can prepare. And you might have one scene because of the location that has to be filmed early that comes late in the film, but you can get ready. You can mentally prepare what that means for you to do in terms of the character's arc of that film. And then with television, depending on the type of show, right, and we really broke out of the boundaries of the type of show that we were is really what we're saying.
00:07:52
Speaker 2: We were.
00:07:52
Speaker 1: We were a single camera comedy. Sometimes people call it a sitcom, which I find like wrong, no, because the sitcom means that it's a situational comedy at a place like Friends was a situational comedy. It's at the what's it called the coffee Place, Central Perk. Thank you so much, Jenny Bitts.
00:08:13
Speaker 2: I can't remember the line I wrote that the atole says, okay.
00:08:17
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay, we'll get we'll get there because you wrote you wrote so many of our episodes. Fine, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they so then, so what we needed to do because we were filming in New York was we had to crossboard, which means crossboarding locations. Our schedule is crossboarded, so it's two episodes at once with one director and one DP, which was important because the other director for the next episode is scouting with the other DP. It's a very complex world that someone's running John Melfie, you know, amazingly, and we are like parts of it, but we're not in charge of it. And so you've got two episodes happening simultaneously, and you're having to remember where you are and what's happened to you. But then sometimes when we would get behind and we would have four and or at the end of this season, I think it's six because it's two, two and two, right, it's like so so many, do you know what I mean?
00:09:08
Speaker 2: I don't recall shooting six episodes that one night.
00:09:12
Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, not in one night, like over a couple of days. But some of it was really minor, like if you had a phone call, remember we would do inserts of your hands with the phone, so you'd have to run over. We were on this stage the old bread factory called Silver Cup, which if anyone's ever driven over the fifty ninth Street bridge in New York, you see it to the right at Long Island, the city. We were there, that was our home, and we had all the stages and the actors. We would just be like, where do we go now? And we'd have to go to our trailer, change into what we wore like three months ago, go to you know, stage four and hold a phone and have to hit a mark to get an insert that we had forgotten to get or hadn't had time to get on the day that we'd film the scene back then. So it was like just chaos, but not unlike the end of shooting and just like that because I'd gotten COVID and also we had all kinds of location drama, as you know we always do in New York. I think towards the end, like the last schedule, I think I was filming parts of six different episodes.
00:10:15
Speaker 2: See that's that's insanity.
00:10:18
Speaker 1: It was insanity, but I'd gotten COVID, so I couldn't. It was partly my fault. I mean, not this's your fault that you get it, but you know what I'm saying. But you know what I mean, like the you know when I tell I finally confess that Harry has cancer to carry that scene was where I was supposed to film the day that I got COVID.
00:10:37
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
00:10:39
Speaker 1: And I was so ready. You know when you've prepared it as an actor and you're so emotionally ready. I was so ready. And then at like four in the morning, I woke up and I thought my air conditioning had broken because I was so hot. Oh no, never a good sign. So we had to punt it. But we needed like a CVS or Duyne weed or whatever it was. It went all the way to the end, which was like three months later, and I was like, oh my god, do I have it? Do I remember? Do I know? Oh?
00:11:07
Speaker 2: Lord? It was some something else. It's it's it is amazing. And look shout out to any anyone and everyone who handled continuity on our show. Oh my godness, It's very rare that you'll watch an episode and be like, wait a minute, why is you know Charlotte's sweater nodded a little differently?
00:11:27
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have never thought that. It's amazing.
00:11:31
Speaker 2: It's hard to really convey how hard that would be on a show like ours, where there were so many moving parts.
00:11:39
Speaker 1: So many details, so many details, hair and makeup, hair.
00:11:43
Speaker 2: And makeup, but that all of that. Thankfully, all of you were good with your own continuity, like we're inter it man. Oh I picked up my drink.
00:11:53
Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, and took the coffee shops, the coffee shops shops.
00:11:58
Speaker 2: The fact that there's not any airing errors is really a testament to every all our crew. Absolutely, we had the very best crew in New.
00:12:07
Speaker 1: York, the very best crew in New York, I know, and the very best editors.
00:12:11
Speaker 2: And the very best editor. We really kind of had the best, because good things attract good people.
00:12:28
Speaker 1: Did we leave out any major storylines that we should talk about?
00:12:31
Speaker 2: Well, we didn't really talk about the learning annext thing, but I.
00:12:34
Speaker 1: Think, oh yeah, oh god, so so anxiety provoking anxiety? Was that based on you guys, or was that based on like a Candice Bushnell type of a situation.
00:12:45
Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was a combo played right, because we would talk a lot in the room about how and I'm sure this happened for you too, that when you write or appear in a show like Sex and the City, people assume that you know a lot about really relationships. So people would come to us as writers and be like, what do I do about this? What do I do about it? And we're like, do you understand we're writing about the situations we're in, Like we were all definitely single, like some of us could keep a relationship going. So the idea that people saw us us as experts was hilarious to us, and so we wanted to take that and really literally put it up on stage. And then it became also the kind of the candae of it, and and I think somebody had done attit. I don't think any one of us were asked specifically to do a learning annex about being single, but occasionally we would do panels and things like that, and yeah, would get sure questions and we're like, we don't know, and that's why we write about it.
00:13:49
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my gosh.
00:13:52
Speaker 2: But it was fun to see and also if you look in that crowd. You'll see a number of actors that you have. Then we'll have seen another thing since then. Like I really shout out as well to there was no small parts in this.
00:14:07
Speaker 1: Show, Oh for sure. Yeah. I have a list somewhere of all these people. Let me find it. I mean, I was kind of amazed. I didn't realize I wasn't there for that day, right obviously, but I mean it was really fun to watch it, and I hadn't remembered this, not one little bit. Okay.
00:14:22
Speaker 2: Wait.
00:14:22
Speaker 1: Catherine Curtin guest stars as Girl Number two in the Learning Seminar. Asking a question she's now known for playing Joanne on Insecure, Claudia Ye, Dustin's mother on Stranger Things, Wow, Wanda Bell on Oranges and The New Black Cool, Rebecca discussed.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Yes she was one of your one of myself.
00:14:43
Speaker 1: Yes I know she is. Yes, yes, yes. She played Brenda on The Mentalist, Evelyn on Devious Maids, and Marge on For All Mankind. Pull Jim is played by a guy named Dominic Fumosa, who is now known for playing Kevin on Hers Detective on Goliath, Pete on Cop in The Purge, and he was on divorce. Wow, Oh my god, did you did you realize that? Yes, yeah, Oh my god. It's incredible. And there's there's more. There's more. I mean, there's like long, long lists. It's impressive.
00:15:18
Speaker 2: It's so fun to see to see that because, as we've discussed in the past, but at the time that we were shooting in New York, the only shows really were cop shows shooting there. So we were able to suddenly take advantage of all these fantastic performers who weren't necessarily cop show people who maybe could tonally do some more lighter comedy, and then they get to go on and do amazing other things.
00:15:45
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I remember. I remember that whole part of it. I remember walking around like we were on location and we were walking somewhere and we'd run into actors on the street and they'd be like, oh, I just read for blah blah blah. You know, it was just such a fun community feeling, you know, that everybody wanted to be on the show, and that there were so many parts, and you know, the guys had to go back to call back after callback and they were all slightly traumatized, you know, which was entertaining.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: We would but not illegally.
00:16:10
Speaker 1: No, no, not illegally at all, just they were not used to being in that position. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I did a tiny part before Melrose on Er the first season of VR, and I might have had I don't know, five lines, but it was with Clooney.
00:16:27
Speaker 2: And I believe what did you play?
00:16:29
Speaker 1: I'm a like a I feel like I was a mom, but I don't remember child, so I'm not one hundred percent sure. I just really remember George. Okay, I don't remember hardly anything but that, though I do remember young Noah because I had so it was so much fun and you could feel the energy and that they were doing things differently as well, and it was one of their really big I was in just a little get a, you know, in a he was my doctor, right, and I can't remember nothing horrible had happened to me, right, I was just like flirting with him. That that was my role. It was great. But they were doing one of their big scenes beforehand where they're all the main characters are walking through and talking their you know, medical jargon, and they did thirty six takes and I remember just being like so impressed, right, and George and Noah were playing in the wheelchairs and like ramming into each other like boys but having the best time. And they were just really into it, and everybody was so happy to be there. And the blocking itself of the it was like a steady cam shot and the blocking of everyone with the jargon. I was like, man, this is a hard job. It's like so exciting. Why did I tell that story?
00:17:43
Speaker 2: Oh?
00:17:43
Speaker 1: Because I had had to go to four four callbacks for that part of like five lines.
00:17:48
Speaker 2: Wow. And also again people will look at that and go, oh my god, christ Davis had five lines in er and then she goes on to be this big star. Like there's this moment everybody, you know, everyone starts with their couple lines.
00:18:03
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, and you're so excited. You know, you're so excited to get those couple of lines.
00:18:08
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna have to pull up the film on this. I move. Oh we can.
00:18:11
Speaker 1: It's great. It's great. George's got the funny hair. It's very adorable. It was great. It was great. And the thing that was really nice for me, I'll just go ahead with the name dropping since I'm deep in already. He at that point had been working for so long, right, like kind of toiling, you know what I'm saying. And he also was smart enough to know that this was his moment. His moment was here, and he had such a great, great attitude about it, and he was such a kind of like a like a teacher in a sage, Like you could ask him, like I would call him and be like, you know, I got Melrose and I'm so nervous and what should I do? And he knew everyone, and he'd be like, this is what you should do. You know, you need to think about you know, blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah blah blah, but don't think about all those other things, you know, Like he could really he was like a coach, you know what I'm saying.
00:18:58
Speaker 2: Oh wild, Like I would I love that and I love knowing that because I would never put you two together as like mentor mentee.
00:19:06
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's not that much older than me, but he'd just been in it for so long, you know, and he's so smart about it all, even like back then, like he'd just been observing and observing and observing, you know, and had like so many wise things like there's this thing that when you're an unemployed actor and you're going to all the auditions. You would be like bitter about whoever got your part right. You'd be like that person got my part, and he would talk about like that is just the wrong thinking. Altogether, you're going to get what's meant for you and you didn't lose that part. You never had that part. You just want to be in the mix. Like he was like that, like so wise, right, I know.
00:19:46
Speaker 2: All him now, and just see what the advice he wants to give.
00:19:51
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he would have advice. I think this man would always have advice. But the thing that if I called him now, I would tell him how much I love Ja Kelly, and that I that I've did. You watch Jake Kelly. I love the end of Jake Kelly so much. I loved all of it, but like that scene where he's watching himself, it's so beautiful.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: And I'm sure too as an actor, there's also relatability to kind of where you belong in this, in this ecosystem. And yeah, he's I mean, he can do no wrong.
00:20:20
Speaker 1: In my book, I agree, I agree one and I'm so lucky I got to be there and watch it and I love to watch Noah and I love to watch the Pit because it's like.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: It's just beautiful, it's great.
00:20:43
Speaker 1: We talked about the scary blow job. I mean, Jenny very brilliantly talked about how Samantha had to be al Samantha as Charlotte had to learn that she was the Samantha, like their counterpoints, and then we get to have that nice phone call together. I mean that that was a lot. I had forgotten the details of the Samantha story lion we I was like, oh my god.
00:21:01
Speaker 2: That's you know, even even Samantha has a line show across. Yeah, I'm not I don't have to go under a table because that's about her sexuality, which I always appreciated. It was never prurient, it was never like for show. It was true, it was never needy. It was always what she needed, but not needy. And this was needy and she saw that like she's a shame of like, oh, you don't want to be that. You don't want to be that person who has to give a blow job under a table because you you feel like this guy may not stick around. You know, there is that yeah, oh my gosh, that from that gal who also, that's.
00:21:46
Speaker 1: A good point. Yeah, she did, she did. I mean the thing about Samantha that I do love rewatching it is the the power of her freedom. You know, she's powerful, she's not needy, and she's like some of my favorite episodes, just the La. Was it that one of the LA I love when she's just purely like a guy, you know, the LA guy who's the porn model, the dildo model, and he tries to talk to her about himself and she's like no, and then he reads her the poetry and she dying.
00:22:16
Speaker 2: I mean, I just.
00:22:17
Speaker 1: Love those episodes. Oh my god, I.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: Can talk about those. I mean, that was so wild to shoot in La tell Us.
00:22:24
Speaker 1: Do you remember what do you remember?
00:22:26
Speaker 2: Well? So I wrote the Playboy Mansion.
00:22:29
Speaker 1: Oh right, Oh my god, that's a.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: Whole other like, we don't have time to cover it now.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: You should have called you.
00:22:36
Speaker 2: Oh who did you talk to?
00:22:37
Speaker 1: We talked to what's your name?
00:22:40
Speaker 2: Madison?
00:22:40
Speaker 1: Holly Madison.
00:22:42
Speaker 2: Oh well that's pretty good too.
00:22:43
Speaker 1: It was good. It was interesting. She had a lot of interesting things to say. But I also and we talked to Jennifer lice Cox who's in the other one. Yes, right, or she in that same one.
00:22:53
Speaker 2: She's in the other one, right, I mean they.
00:22:55
Speaker 1: Blend in my mind, they're one. Vaughn Vince, amazing Vince. But tell me because I want to know what you remember.
00:23:04
Speaker 2: I remember. Here's what I remember. This is one of the lines that you know, looking at these women in the in the hot tub and coming up with the word tit soup, you know, is still like that's something that people quote back to me. Look, it's tit soup, you know what. Hanging out with Hugh Hefner all night like it was like mind blow. It was one of those moments where you realize we're in a whole other. This is a rarefied air that we are currently in and it is not our.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: Normal, Like, no, not at all. Did you go to the party at the Playboy mansion? Yeah, because I refused. What do you remember?
00:23:43
Speaker 2: Tell me, yes, I remember a lot and I've forgotten a lot. But I also remember needing to get because it was a pajama party, like you had to wait. So I wore like silk purple pajamas and there were a number of which you realizes the age of the guys was a little scary, like it wasfly you know, sixty plus, wow, and very young women. And you would kind of go around the corner and see like there was definitely stuff happening in the oorgy area and in the and in the hotab area, and it was a it look, it was a fun party. I remember dancing. I remember, you know, wow, we're a good party. But you didn't want to look too much under the under the rug there. But shooting there was a blast and shooting that whole EPSA. Despite that was the scary car accident. Yes, that is still every minute of that as I'm sure it is for you etched in my etched.
00:24:43
Speaker 1: In my mind absolutely. I mean I wasn't in the car, right, but I remember having to go and have like like emotional support. I was like the emotional support after the fact or whatever for the for the and didn't we move the car from the scary hill after that happened, because what's in on the film they start on like a busy, busy street and then they're on a calm Yeah.
00:25:06
Speaker 2: Right, it was just it was, oh, that was so so crazy and scary, and you know, standing and watching it and not being able to do anything about it, and whatever divine thing was happening. Everybody was okay, and right, you know, we're probably not going to use this in this app, you know.
00:25:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's fine because we've already discussed that.
00:25:29
Speaker 2: But yeah, not something I want to see again.
00:25:33
Speaker 1: No, no, And I mean it does really make you think about like sometimes I feel like things on set, like as much preparation as there is, sometimes there's just you can't prepare enough, and you think it's going to be fine, you know, and then suddenly suddenly it's not. It's super scary.
00:25:50
Speaker 2: Super scary, and we were really lucky that. I don't think anyone do you recall, like ever having a moment where like considering the fact that we would often like now we wouldn't be able to have like real candles and things like that. But like nothing ever as I remember lit on fire or you know, no one really injured themselves, Like there was so much running in heels.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: Like the no can you imagine. I mean, when I watched the one is it? What's the one that I just watched where she loses his dog in the village, it's so good, but also I mean I really thought that dog was going to get hit by a car. I was super panicked and then she's wearing like like slides. There's not even an ankle strap. What on earth? She is a like an Olympic athlete?
00:26:36
Speaker 2: Is she can do anything in a pair of high heeled shoes that I don't do this at home because now is unbelievable. And she would agree, it's not like we sped up the film. She was running shoes all the time.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: Insane. You can tell because the people behind her are in normal time. Yeah. No, they're like regular people or whatever.
00:26:57
Speaker 2: Just regular, and she's like, you know, a superhero.
00:27:00
Speaker 1: I know, it is incredible. It's incredible. I agree so many. I mean, this season in general is incredible. I mean, the first two seasons were so much better than I what I remembered, which I think I told you last time you came. But the third season, in my mind had always been like when things just went, like everything like clicked in and man rewatching it has not disappointed.
00:27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I definitely think we all felt that way that for US season three, suddenly everything clicked. You're right, that's exact right where it like everything was running on cylinders and like all the all of you all were working great together and working great with the material, and we were going deep into these storylines that we got to tell and it just felt like, oh my god. And it was also for us. I think it was basically the end of season two beginning of season three where people started to really watch as well. So we were also going out into the world seeing that people were responding. Because, as we've talked about, the first season we shot and it didn't even air before we were shooting season right, so people think we all the time knew that there was going to be this hit and we were just having a good time and being like this is crazy. Is it totally totally stating on Fifth Avenue and everyone's annoyed at us.
00:28:18
Speaker 1: Because definitely, definitely. I was trying to remember when the first Globes was because we did do this thing with Sarah where we got to give her this the Carol Urnett Award, and I was talking to one of the ladies from the Hollywood Farm Press, and you know, they do kind of consider us their babies in a weird way, because remember that time that we went, the first time that we went, and then we won, and we're all just like, what what what planet did we live on? Like wa where are we? Like, we looked at and Michael has that long girl I mean, and the goatee, yes, all of it. Yeah, my god, I love it so much.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: Time we went. So this is Michael and I call this story the crinkle cut Cheese story. And maybe he's told this story already, but no. So the first time we went to the Globes was when Sarah Jesk was nominated, So she was nominated before the show was nominated.
00:29:12
Speaker 1: You didn't remember, okay.
00:29:13
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say that was for season two, Okay, And so Michael and I were invited to go to Golden Globes. Now we didn't know from going to the Golden Globes. We did whatever, and so we tried to the Golden Globes in my miata. So that tells you to kind of where we're at. Okay, people and we park and we walk up to the front and we're like, hello, we're here for the Golden Globes and they're like, yeah, no, you don't go in the main room. You're going to go upstairs. HBO had rented a hotel room because it was also so early in the days of nominations at HBO, they were they had done the rat Pack. I'm going to say mini series, but it maybe yeah, maybe it's just ever.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: It was yeah something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is nominated. So because I go up to the hotel room and it is a lot of the older ladies who had been involved with the rat Pack at different times. Wow, they had taken up the seating as they should have because they were older, right, Michael and myself and Candice Bushnell who had gotten herself all dolled up and looked amazing, and we're sitting in a hotel room and then on the table while there is crinkle cut cheese. Wow, that is now, if you would like to know a little insider thing when Michael and I say something is a crinkle cut cheese moment. It's when you expected to be like really everything and you just walk into a hotel room with some crinkle cut And now since then we went on to go up on stage multiple times.
00:30:46
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's adorable. But I like that. I like that very much. That's a good story that I had never heard.
00:30:53
Speaker 2: Okay, well you can quote the crinkle cut cheese back to mind.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: I love it so much. The crinkle cut cheese. Everybody we know what it means.
00:31:01
Speaker 2: But you have to remember things start, you know, you have to have those moments to really appreciate, like you don't just get to go and be the bell of the ball, right like, no, it's true. And she looked. I remember what she was wearing because it was this amazing kind of topey sequinny. I mean she could wear anything.
00:31:23
Speaker 1: You guys, did she win?
00:31:24
Speaker 2: She didn't win?
00:31:25
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, we had a great time. I'm so glad. That's a good story. That's a good story.
00:31:32
Speaker 2: You can't really appreciate getting in through those doors now at that table let alone winning until you go to a hotel room where you have to stand up and eat crinkle cut cheese.
00:31:41
Speaker 1: See, I love it. I love it well, Thank you, Jenny. Always fun, Always sure to have a different LA conversation because putting the pieces together of LA is very interesting.
00:31:54
Speaker 2: La. That was a tough shoot too, man, I remember shooting at You weren't in this scene and it was It was s Ja and Sarah Michelle Geller and we shot until about eight in the morning overnight because we had to have a restaurant closed, so we had to shoot once they had closed at a restaurant that no longer exists on Melrose or Beverly, but it was. It was a lot of nighttime.
00:32:15
Speaker 1: I know. Remember I had my house here, and obviously Charlotte only comes for one of the two and I was like, you guys, I live there, come on, let me let me call, let.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Me in it.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember one night we were shooting at the Standard, which obviously closed as well, sadly, and they said to me go home and go to bed and then come back at three am. And I was like, okay.
00:32:38
Speaker 2: It was so wild, like I finally got to sleep in my own bed.
00:32:42
Speaker 1: Right.
00:32:42
Speaker 2: We weren't really sleeping.
00:32:44
Speaker 1: No, exactly exactly.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: I know, I'm in the same city where my bed is exactly.
00:32:49
Speaker 1: That's how I felt too. I was like, the joy is that I can go home and go to sleep and then get back up and drive back over here at three am, and which I will do. And we were happy to do it. Yeah, we were. I mean, we were young, and you're super excited.
00:33:03
Speaker 2: I know, right, God, I don't I don't know how we did it. And you know, you talk about getting COVID, It's like we didn't get sick often.
00:33:11
Speaker 1: And if we did, they just handed out the z pag.
00:33:13
Speaker 2: Yep.
00:33:14
Speaker 1: They were like, here you go, enjoy, keep keep it going, keep it going. Oh you can't talk here, we're going to give you presdent zone. I mean, you know, it was it was a lot, it was interesting. But again, do it again in a heartbeat a heart Yeah, yeah, Jenny, You're a joy.
00:33:33
Speaker 2: You're a joy. This is so much fun.
00:33:35
Speaker 1: I know. Thank you for your time. Yay, yay, yay yay. It's good to have you. It's good to have you because sometimes I need to have your perspective to to put with whatever vague memories I have.
00:33:46
Speaker 2: You know, well, together we can find one memory totally.
00:33:49
Speaker 1: We can patch them back. Yes, I love it. I love it so much. Thank you. Have a great day.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: You have a great day. Thank you. Bye bye everybody, Bye, instant the PASSI
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two? She is returning Jenny Vicks. She wrote the incredible episode Frenemies. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. It is just such a funny thing to think back on what we had, and you know, sometimes you think, like, did we really fully appreciate what we had? I think about this my son a lot.
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Speaker 2: I think about a lot, especially when I watched the episodes again, and I think, right, how lucky were we? And I think towards the end, I mean, I know, from my perspective, by season six, I think I was really appreciating. I was like, oh man, this is going to end like we and how special and how amazingly we got to be on that ride?
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and who knew the ride would continue? You know, it was a it was a ride, and yes, it was a ride for sure. I mean it was also I mean I didn't want it to end. You know, I'm not telling anyone anything that one doesn't know. I never wanted to end, but like I I, you know, and it's such a living thing. I feel like and especially. I'm also rewatching it, as you know, right, and it's so fascinating to rewatch it because it's really interesting and good and surprising. Even having been in it the first time during of saying, like, it holds up just so incredibly well.
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Speaker 2: Way better than I you know, had I not started watching it again because of you, I think I would have been scared to watch some of the episodes. And I think there probably are some that are not holding up as well.
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Speaker 1: No, you know what it is, Jenny, this is what it is. Because I thought that was going to be true too. There are moments, there are moments or like scenes where you're like, oh, you know what I mean. But it's very little, Like I have to say for myself, it's less than I expected.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's bearing itself out. I mean, people, kids are kids above the age of sixteen whatever are finding the show. You know, people are finding the show. People.
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Speaker 1: We love it.
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Speaker 2: Many you show people are sending me memes that I never knew existed. Dad. I'm like, Okay, that's.
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Speaker 1: I know it.
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Speaker 2: I know it.
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Speaker 1: I love it too. I love it too. It's really really fun and it's fun because I mean, I don't know do you did you watch Overcompensating to Overcompensating? Did you know that Benny has some podcast called Ride and Benny has been on the podcast. We love him very much And one of his lines that he says all the time is my line that I say to Kyle, I'm your wife and I'm sexual and I love you. Like he just randomly says this.
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Speaker 2: It's like so funny.
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Speaker 1: And when he came on, I was like, why, how and why did this become like your thing? And he was just because it's so good, and I was like, okay, wow, wow, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You just don't know when someone's going to pick up something. By the way, also starring in over Compensating Holmes who started in Welcome to Flatch, my show that hom Fox for two seasons. Prite is amazing, amazing she does And what I love and Overcompensating is she's completely different than what she did in Flatch, Like that is so true, Blond and Overcome.
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Speaker 1: She's incredible.
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Speaker 2: She's incredible. She's incredible. So yes, I do love that the show has been has been refound, but it gives me such I don't want to say painful nostalgia, but it is. It's like you long for that, like I long to be back in that writer's room with us. And the good news is, I'm we're all quite close and we see each other, so in some ways we're still in the room together. But it's thank god, it's not the same.
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Speaker 1: No. I mean, look, we went and did a whole other show so we could work together. Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: You just keep it going. It's like you want that, I.
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Speaker 1: Really do, I know. And then they ended that show and I was like, why, I'll feel the same way, even though intellectually I know kind of why, but I'm just like, but come on, guys, why let's do something else, Like that's how I feel.
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Speaker 2: And you know, you try to explain the feeling to like for us to other writers, like what it's like to be in a room like we were in, and you can't really explain it because it was it was so finely curated, like Michael did such a good job of kind of knowing just kind of knowing what each person was going to bring in there and and making it a safe place to be. Even though Michael one of my dearest friends. You know, I love you, Michael. Michael hibariously as you know, he's a complicated, discerning writer. Yes, he's going to tell you it's oh, yes, working, Yes, and he's going to be right ninety percent of the time. Is gonna be right, right, right, And if it's not, he'll admit it ultimately. But he who could handle him, who could work in the system where we would get the best out of everybody, and we did, and so we still it's but it's this feeling of like you want to go home again, like you I agree, you want to go home, and you know, we had it was a tough you know, shooting was really tough, Like I think we probably I don't know if we talked about this last time, but there was a point or if you talked about it with other people where we were shooting three different episodes at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Oh at least no, I think it was like six. At one point.
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Speaker 2: Well, we had two shirts for A B and same for that.
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Speaker 1: It was the end of this third season, I think yes, because it was such an ambitious season, right, and then we had all those unfinished parts at the end, and we just took over all of the stages at Silver Cup and we had to have crew and the T shirts for which group they were on, so they knew where to go.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking, and I was reminded of this only because you don't want to show how hard, like right you you all worked so hard, like we really did a moment where not only were we and this was a newer thing by the way, for film people who may be listening slash watching like to crossboard episodes. It wasn't it wasn't done in TV, right, it was done out of order in film. But what we were asking you all to do, just on a regular basis was to shoot two episodes at the same time. And now suddenly it's three episodes. You got to remember where your mind is at character wise, how are you feeling, and you've got to get get in that set and go shoot. And it's like it's true and people are running around with T shirts that say A, B and C. And you think it was hard people, but the blood and sweat shows like.
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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree totally. I think the thing and we have talked about it. I mean, we've talked about the hours because the hours were like fully fully bonkers. We were younger, thank god, but the hours were fully insane. You know, we saw so many sunrises, so many sunrises that you know you lost track. But the thing too, I mean, like just for everyone who doesn't know what crossboarding means, because I have talked about this, but I don't know if I explained it's when. So normally, if you were doing a film, right, you know the whole script, you know, like from page one till page one thirty one or whatever it is, and you might shoot it out of order, but you know everything that's in it. So as an actor, you can prepare. And you might have one scene because of the location that has to be filmed early that comes late in the film, but you can get ready. You can mentally prepare what that means for you to do in terms of the character's arc of that film. And then with television, depending on the type of show, right, and we really broke out of the boundaries of the type of show that we were is really what we're saying.
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Speaker 2: We were.
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Speaker 1: We were a single camera comedy. Sometimes people call it a sitcom, which I find like wrong, no, because the sitcom means that it's a situational comedy at a place like Friends was a situational comedy. It's at the what's it called the coffee Place, Central Perk. Thank you so much, Jenny Bitts.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember the line I wrote that the atole says, okay.
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Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay, we'll get we'll get there because you wrote you wrote so many of our episodes. Fine, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they so then, so what we needed to do because we were filming in New York was we had to crossboard, which means crossboarding locations. Our schedule is crossboarded, so it's two episodes at once with one director and one DP, which was important because the other director for the next episode is scouting with the other DP. It's a very complex world that someone's running John Melfie, you know, amazingly, and we are like parts of it, but we're not in charge of it. And so you've got two episodes happening simultaneously, and you're having to remember where you are and what's happened to you. But then sometimes when we would get behind and we would have four and or at the end of this season, I think it's six because it's two, two and two, right, it's like so so many, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: I don't recall shooting six episodes that one night.
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Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, not in one night, like over a couple of days. But some of it was really minor, like if you had a phone call, remember we would do inserts of your hands with the phone, so you'd have to run over. We were on this stage the old bread factory called Silver Cup, which if anyone's ever driven over the fifty ninth Street bridge in New York, you see it to the right at Long Island, the city. We were there, that was our home, and we had all the stages and the actors. We would just be like, where do we go now? And we'd have to go to our trailer, change into what we wore like three months ago, go to you know, stage four and hold a phone and have to hit a mark to get an insert that we had forgotten to get or hadn't had time to get on the day that we'd film the scene back then. So it was like just chaos, but not unlike the end of shooting and just like that because I'd gotten COVID and also we had all kinds of location drama, as you know we always do in New York. I think towards the end, like the last schedule, I think I was filming parts of six different episodes.
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Speaker 2: See that's that's insanity.
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Speaker 1: It was insanity, but I'd gotten COVID, so I couldn't. It was partly my fault. I mean, not this's your fault that you get it, but you know what I'm saying. But you know what I mean, like the you know when I tell I finally confess that Harry has cancer to carry that scene was where I was supposed to film the day that I got COVID.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: And I was so ready. You know when you've prepared it as an actor and you're so emotionally ready. I was so ready. And then at like four in the morning, I woke up and I thought my air conditioning had broken because I was so hot. Oh no, never a good sign. So we had to punt it. But we needed like a CVS or Duyne weed or whatever it was. It went all the way to the end, which was like three months later, and I was like, oh my god, do I have it? Do I remember? Do I know? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Lord? It was some something else. It's it's it is amazing. And look shout out to any anyone and everyone who handled continuity on our show. Oh my godness, It's very rare that you'll watch an episode and be like, wait a minute, why is you know Charlotte's sweater nodded a little differently?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I have never thought that. It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to really convey how hard that would be on a show like ours, where there were so many moving parts.
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Speaker 1: So many details, so many details, hair and makeup, hair.
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Speaker 2: And makeup, but that all of that. Thankfully, all of you were good with your own continuity, like we're inter it man. Oh I picked up my drink.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, and took the coffee shops, the coffee shops shops.
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Speaker 2: The fact that there's not any airing errors is really a testament to every all our crew. Absolutely, we had the very best crew in New.
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Speaker 1: York, the very best crew in New York, I know, and the very best editors.
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Speaker 2: And the very best editor. We really kind of had the best, because good things attract good people.
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Speaker 1: Did we leave out any major storylines that we should talk about?
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Speaker 2: Well, we didn't really talk about the learning annext thing, but I.
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Speaker 1: Think, oh yeah, oh god, so so anxiety provoking anxiety? Was that based on you guys, or was that based on like a Candice Bushnell type of a situation.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was a combo played right, because we would talk a lot in the room about how and I'm sure this happened for you too, that when you write or appear in a show like Sex and the City, people assume that you know a lot about really relationships. So people would come to us as writers and be like, what do I do about this? What do I do about it? And we're like, do you understand we're writing about the situations we're in, Like we were all definitely single, like some of us could keep a relationship going. So the idea that people saw us us as experts was hilarious to us, and so we wanted to take that and really literally put it up on stage. And then it became also the kind of the candae of it, and and I think somebody had done attit. I don't think any one of us were asked specifically to do a learning annex about being single, but occasionally we would do panels and things like that, and yeah, would get sure questions and we're like, we don't know, and that's why we write about it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: But it was fun to see and also if you look in that crowd. You'll see a number of actors that you have. Then we'll have seen another thing since then. Like I really shout out as well to there was no small parts in this.
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Speaker 1: Show, Oh for sure. Yeah. I have a list somewhere of all these people. Let me find it. I mean, I was kind of amazed. I didn't realize I wasn't there for that day, right obviously, but I mean it was really fun to watch it, and I hadn't remembered this, not one little bit. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Wait.
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Speaker 1: Catherine Curtin guest stars as Girl Number two in the Learning Seminar. Asking a question she's now known for playing Joanne on Insecure, Claudia Ye, Dustin's mother on Stranger Things, Wow, Wanda Bell on Oranges and The New Black Cool, Rebecca discussed.
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Speaker 2: Yes she was one of your one of myself.
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Speaker 1: Yes I know she is. Yes, yes, yes. She played Brenda on The Mentalist, Evelyn on Devious Maids, and Marge on For All Mankind. Pull Jim is played by a guy named Dominic Fumosa, who is now known for playing Kevin on Hers Detective on Goliath, Pete on Cop in The Purge, and he was on divorce. Wow, Oh my god, did you did you realize that? Yes, yeah, Oh my god. It's incredible. And there's there's more. There's more. I mean, there's like long, long lists. It's impressive.
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Speaker 2: It's so fun to see to see that because, as we've discussed in the past, but at the time that we were shooting in New York, the only shows really were cop shows shooting there. So we were able to suddenly take advantage of all these fantastic performers who weren't necessarily cop show people who maybe could tonally do some more lighter comedy, and then they get to go on and do amazing other things.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I remember. I remember that whole part of it. I remember walking around like we were on location and we were walking somewhere and we'd run into actors on the street and they'd be like, oh, I just read for blah blah blah. You know, it was just such a fun community feeling, you know, that everybody wanted to be on the show, and that there were so many parts, and you know, the guys had to go back to call back after callback and they were all slightly traumatized, you know, which was entertaining.
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Speaker 2: We would but not illegally.
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Speaker 1: No, no, not illegally at all, just they were not used to being in that position. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I did a tiny part before Melrose on Er the first season of VR, and I might have had I don't know, five lines, but it was with Clooney.
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Speaker 2: And I believe what did you play?
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Speaker 1: I'm a like a I feel like I was a mom, but I don't remember child, so I'm not one hundred percent sure. I just really remember George. Okay, I don't remember hardly anything but that, though I do remember young Noah because I had so it was so much fun and you could feel the energy and that they were doing things differently as well, and it was one of their really big I was in just a little get a, you know, in a he was my doctor, right, and I can't remember nothing horrible had happened to me, right, I was just like flirting with him. That that was my role. It was great. But they were doing one of their big scenes beforehand where they're all the main characters are walking through and talking their you know, medical jargon, and they did thirty six takes and I remember just being like so impressed, right, and George and Noah were playing in the wheelchairs and like ramming into each other like boys but having the best time. And they were just really into it, and everybody was so happy to be there. And the blocking itself of the it was like a steady cam shot and the blocking of everyone with the jargon. I was like, man, this is a hard job. It's like so exciting. Why did I tell that story?
00:17:43
Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Because I had had to go to four four callbacks for that part of like five lines.
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Speaker 2: Wow. And also again people will look at that and go, oh my god, christ Davis had five lines in er and then she goes on to be this big star. Like there's this moment everybody, you know, everyone starts with their couple lines.
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Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, and you're so excited. You know, you're so excited to get those couple of lines.
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Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna have to pull up the film on this. I move. Oh we can.
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Speaker 1: It's great. It's great. George's got the funny hair. It's very adorable. It was great. It was great. And the thing that was really nice for me, I'll just go ahead with the name dropping since I'm deep in already. He at that point had been working for so long, right, like kind of toiling, you know what I'm saying. And he also was smart enough to know that this was his moment. His moment was here, and he had such a great, great attitude about it, and he was such a kind of like a like a teacher in a sage, Like you could ask him, like I would call him and be like, you know, I got Melrose and I'm so nervous and what should I do? And he knew everyone, and he'd be like, this is what you should do. You know, you need to think about you know, blah blah blah and blah blah blah blah blah blah, but don't think about all those other things, you know, Like he could really he was like a coach, you know what I'm saying.
00:18:58
Speaker 2: Oh wild, Like I would I love that and I love knowing that because I would never put you two together as like mentor mentee.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's not that much older than me, but he'd just been in it for so long, you know, and he's so smart about it all, even like back then, like he'd just been observing and observing and observing, you know, and had like so many wise things like there's this thing that when you're an unemployed actor and you're going to all the auditions. You would be like bitter about whoever got your part right. You'd be like that person got my part, and he would talk about like that is just the wrong thinking. Altogether, you're going to get what's meant for you and you didn't lose that part. You never had that part. You just want to be in the mix. Like he was like that, like so wise, right, I know.
00:19:46
Speaker 2: All him now, and just see what the advice he wants to give.
00:19:51
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure he would have advice. I think this man would always have advice. But the thing that if I called him now, I would tell him how much I love Ja Kelly, and that I that I've did. You watch Jake Kelly. I love the end of Jake Kelly so much. I loved all of it, but like that scene where he's watching himself, it's so beautiful.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: And I'm sure too as an actor, there's also relatability to kind of where you belong in this, in this ecosystem. And yeah, he's I mean, he can do no wrong.
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Speaker 1: In my book, I agree, I agree one and I'm so lucky I got to be there and watch it and I love to watch Noah and I love to watch the Pit because it's like.
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Speaker 2: It's just beautiful, it's great.
00:20:43
Speaker 1: We talked about the scary blow job. I mean, Jenny very brilliantly talked about how Samantha had to be al Samantha as Charlotte had to learn that she was the Samantha, like their counterpoints, and then we get to have that nice phone call together. I mean that that was a lot. I had forgotten the details of the Samantha story lion we I was like, oh my god.
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Speaker 2: That's you know, even even Samantha has a line show across. Yeah, I'm not I don't have to go under a table because that's about her sexuality, which I always appreciated. It was never prurient, it was never like for show. It was true, it was never needy. It was always what she needed, but not needy. And this was needy and she saw that like she's a shame of like, oh, you don't want to be that. You don't want to be that person who has to give a blow job under a table because you you feel like this guy may not stick around. You know, there is that yeah, oh my gosh, that from that gal who also, that's.
00:21:46
Speaker 1: A good point. Yeah, she did, she did. I mean the thing about Samantha that I do love rewatching it is the the power of her freedom. You know, she's powerful, she's not needy, and she's like some of my favorite episodes, just the La. Was it that one of the LA I love when she's just purely like a guy, you know, the LA guy who's the porn model, the dildo model, and he tries to talk to her about himself and she's like no, and then he reads her the poetry and she dying.
00:22:16
Speaker 2: I mean, I just.
00:22:17
Speaker 1: Love those episodes. Oh my god, I.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: Can talk about those. I mean, that was so wild to shoot in La tell Us.
00:22:24
Speaker 1: Do you remember what do you remember?
00:22:26
Speaker 2: Well? So I wrote the Playboy Mansion.
00:22:29
Speaker 1: Oh right, Oh my god, that's a.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: Whole other like, we don't have time to cover it now.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: You should have called you.
00:22:36
Speaker 2: Oh who did you talk to?
00:22:37
Speaker 1: We talked to what's your name?
00:22:40
Speaker 2: Madison?
00:22:40
Speaker 1: Holly Madison.
00:22:42
Speaker 2: Oh well that's pretty good too.
00:22:43
Speaker 1: It was good. It was interesting. She had a lot of interesting things to say. But I also and we talked to Jennifer lice Cox who's in the other one. Yes, right, or she in that same one.
00:22:53
Speaker 2: She's in the other one, right, I mean they.
00:22:55
Speaker 1: Blend in my mind, they're one. Vaughn Vince, amazing Vince. But tell me because I want to know what you remember.
00:23:04
Speaker 2: I remember. Here's what I remember. This is one of the lines that you know, looking at these women in the in the hot tub and coming up with the word tit soup, you know, is still like that's something that people quote back to me. Look, it's tit soup, you know what. Hanging out with Hugh Hefner all night like it was like mind blow. It was one of those moments where you realize we're in a whole other. This is a rarefied air that we are currently in and it is not our.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: Normal, Like, no, not at all. Did you go to the party at the Playboy mansion? Yeah, because I refused. What do you remember?
00:23:43
Speaker 2: Tell me, yes, I remember a lot and I've forgotten a lot. But I also remember needing to get because it was a pajama party, like you had to wait. So I wore like silk purple pajamas and there were a number of which you realizes the age of the guys was a little scary, like it wasfly you know, sixty plus, wow, and very young women. And you would kind of go around the corner and see like there was definitely stuff happening in the oorgy area and in the and in the hotab area, and it was a it look, it was a fun party. I remember dancing. I remember, you know, wow, we're a good party. But you didn't want to look too much under the under the rug there. But shooting there was a blast and shooting that whole EPSA. Despite that was the scary car accident. Yes, that is still every minute of that as I'm sure it is for you etched in my etched.
00:24:43
Speaker 1: In my mind absolutely. I mean I wasn't in the car, right, but I remember having to go and have like like emotional support. I was like the emotional support after the fact or whatever for the for the and didn't we move the car from the scary hill after that happened, because what's in on the film they start on like a busy, busy street and then they're on a calm Yeah.
00:25:06
Speaker 2: Right, it was just it was, oh, that was so so crazy and scary, and you know, standing and watching it and not being able to do anything about it, and whatever divine thing was happening. Everybody was okay, and right, you know, we're probably not going to use this in this app, you know.
00:25:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's fine because we've already discussed that.
00:25:29
Speaker 2: But yeah, not something I want to see again.
00:25:33
Speaker 1: No, no, And I mean it does really make you think about like sometimes I feel like things on set, like as much preparation as there is, sometimes there's just you can't prepare enough, and you think it's going to be fine, you know, and then suddenly suddenly it's not. It's super scary.
00:25:50
Speaker 2: Super scary, and we were really lucky that. I don't think anyone do you recall, like ever having a moment where like considering the fact that we would often like now we wouldn't be able to have like real candles and things like that. But like nothing ever as I remember lit on fire or you know, no one really injured themselves, Like there was so much running in heels.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: Like the no can you imagine. I mean, when I watched the one is it? What's the one that I just watched where she loses his dog in the village, it's so good, but also I mean I really thought that dog was going to get hit by a car. I was super panicked and then she's wearing like like slides. There's not even an ankle strap. What on earth? She is a like an Olympic athlete?
00:26:36
Speaker 2: Is she can do anything in a pair of high heeled shoes that I don't do this at home because now is unbelievable. And she would agree, it's not like we sped up the film. She was running shoes all the time.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: Insane. You can tell because the people behind her are in normal time. Yeah. No, they're like regular people or whatever.
00:26:57
Speaker 2: Just regular, and she's like, you know, a superhero.
00:27:00
Speaker 1: I know, it is incredible. It's incredible. I agree so many. I mean, this season in general is incredible. I mean, the first two seasons were so much better than I what I remembered, which I think I told you last time you came. But the third season, in my mind had always been like when things just went, like everything like clicked in and man rewatching it has not disappointed.
00:27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I definitely think we all felt that way that for US season three, suddenly everything clicked. You're right, that's exact right where it like everything was running on cylinders and like all the all of you all were working great together and working great with the material, and we were going deep into these storylines that we got to tell and it just felt like, oh my god. And it was also for us. I think it was basically the end of season two beginning of season three where people started to really watch as well. So we were also going out into the world seeing that people were responding. Because, as we've talked about, the first season we shot and it didn't even air before we were shooting season right, so people think we all the time knew that there was going to be this hit and we were just having a good time and being like this is crazy. Is it totally totally stating on Fifth Avenue and everyone's annoyed at us.
00:28:18
Speaker 1: Because definitely, definitely. I was trying to remember when the first Globes was because we did do this thing with Sarah where we got to give her this the Carol Urnett Award, and I was talking to one of the ladies from the Hollywood Farm Press, and you know, they do kind of consider us their babies in a weird way, because remember that time that we went, the first time that we went, and then we won, and we're all just like, what what what planet did we live on? Like wa where are we? Like, we looked at and Michael has that long girl I mean, and the goatee, yes, all of it. Yeah, my god, I love it so much.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: Time we went. So this is Michael and I call this story the crinkle cut Cheese story. And maybe he's told this story already, but no. So the first time we went to the Globes was when Sarah Jesk was nominated, So she was nominated before the show was nominated.
00:29:12
Speaker 1: You didn't remember, okay.
00:29:13
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say that was for season two, Okay, And so Michael and I were invited to go to Golden Globes. Now we didn't know from going to the Golden Globes. We did whatever, and so we tried to the Golden Globes in my miata. So that tells you to kind of where we're at. Okay, people and we park and we walk up to the front and we're like, hello, we're here for the Golden Globes and they're like, yeah, no, you don't go in the main room. You're going to go upstairs. HBO had rented a hotel room because it was also so early in the days of nominations at HBO, they were they had done the rat Pack. I'm going to say mini series, but it maybe yeah, maybe it's just ever.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: It was yeah something.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is nominated. So because I go up to the hotel room and it is a lot of the older ladies who had been involved with the rat Pack at different times. Wow, they had taken up the seating as they should have because they were older, right, Michael and myself and Candice Bushnell who had gotten herself all dolled up and looked amazing, and we're sitting in a hotel room and then on the table while there is crinkle cut cheese. Wow, that is now, if you would like to know a little insider thing when Michael and I say something is a crinkle cut cheese moment. It's when you expected to be like really everything and you just walk into a hotel room with some crinkle cut And now since then we went on to go up on stage multiple times.
00:30:46
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's adorable. But I like that. I like that very much. That's a good story that I had never heard.
00:30:53
Speaker 2: Okay, well you can quote the crinkle cut cheese back to mind.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: I love it so much. The crinkle cut cheese. Everybody we know what it means.
00:31:01
Speaker 2: But you have to remember things start, you know, you have to have those moments to really appreciate, like you don't just get to go and be the bell of the ball, right like, no, it's true. And she looked. I remember what she was wearing because it was this amazing kind of topey sequinny. I mean she could wear anything.
00:31:23
Speaker 1: You guys, did she win?
00:31:24
Speaker 2: She didn't win?
00:31:25
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, we had a great time. I'm so glad. That's a good story. That's a good story.
00:31:32
Speaker 2: You can't really appreciate getting in through those doors now at that table let alone winning until you go to a hotel room where you have to stand up and eat crinkle cut cheese.
00:31:41
Speaker 1: See, I love it. I love it well, Thank you, Jenny. Always fun, Always sure to have a different LA conversation because putting the pieces together of LA is very interesting.
00:31:54
Speaker 2: La. That was a tough shoot too, man, I remember shooting at You weren't in this scene and it was It was s Ja and Sarah Michelle Geller and we shot until about eight in the morning overnight because we had to have a restaurant closed, so we had to shoot once they had closed at a restaurant that no longer exists on Melrose or Beverly, but it was. It was a lot of nighttime.
00:32:15
Speaker 1: I know. Remember I had my house here, and obviously Charlotte only comes for one of the two and I was like, you guys, I live there, come on, let me let me call, let.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Me in it.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: And I remember, I remember one night we were shooting at the Standard, which obviously closed as well, sadly, and they said to me go home and go to bed and then come back at three am. And I was like, okay.
00:32:38
Speaker 2: It was so wild, like I finally got to sleep in my own bed.
00:32:42
Speaker 1: Right.
00:32:42
Speaker 2: We weren't really sleeping.
00:32:44
Speaker 1: No, exactly exactly.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: I know, I'm in the same city where my bed is exactly.
00:32:49
Speaker 1: That's how I felt too. I was like, the joy is that I can go home and go to sleep and then get back up and drive back over here at three am, and which I will do. And we were happy to do it. Yeah, we were. I mean, we were young, and you're super excited.
00:33:03
Speaker 2: I know, right, God, I don't I don't know how we did it. And you know, you talk about getting COVID, It's like we didn't get sick often.
00:33:11
Speaker 1: And if we did, they just handed out the z pag.
00:33:13
Speaker 2: Yep.
00:33:14
Speaker 1: They were like, here you go, enjoy, keep keep it going, keep it going. Oh you can't talk here, we're going to give you presdent zone. I mean, you know, it was it was a lot, it was interesting. But again, do it again in a heartbeat a heart Yeah, yeah, Jenny, You're a joy.
00:33:33
Speaker 2: You're a joy. This is so much fun.
00:33:35
Speaker 1: I know. Thank you for your time. Yay, yay, yay yay. It's good to have you. It's good to have you because sometimes I need to have your perspective to to put with whatever vague memories I have.
00:33:46
Speaker 2: You know, well, together we can find one memory totally.
00:33:49
Speaker 1: We can patch them back. Yes, I love it. I love it so much. Thank you. Have a great day.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: You have a great day. Thank you. Bye bye everybody, Bye, instant the PASSI