Feb. 12, 2026
The Girls go to Hollywood with Jennifer Elise Cox... (S3 E14 "Sex and Another City")
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And, Jennifer Elise Cox returns with a Vince Vaughn BTS revelation.
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? We have the incredible Jennifer Leese Cox with us.
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Speaker 2: Part two.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Here we go, okay, so we're outside, we've made it to where they're they're at your event where you don't let Samantha and carry into the after party.
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Speaker 3: So mean of you, but so happy seeing the movie I know, which.
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Speaker 1: Is so la, so la and so funny that they're like, no one sees the movie. No, we live for movies out here, people, that's our job. It's a movie town. And you're like, definitely no. And also now it is true, there's like little youngsters like you were at the time, like little people with those lists, like little young people.
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Speaker 3: Like god, they're out there, they're out there on a power trip, right, yeah, all right, whatever makes you feel powerful.
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Speaker 1: Totally totally, but you do it well, you wield your power well. So then they're like, oh, what are we gonna do? So Samantha goes off to get the car and of course it's going to take an hour, which is so true.
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Speaker 3: Maybe too good actually at that time at an event totally.
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Speaker 2: You are stuck, man, and you might.
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Speaker 3: Get another car. I did get another car one night, and you're just like, that's not my car.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you get.
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Speaker 2: In the wrong car.
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Speaker 3: I've done that.
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Speaker 2: I've done that.
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Speaker 1: You're just like, thank God, a car is here and you get in it, and then you realize, no, that's not it's not right.
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Speaker 2: But luckily, out.
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Speaker 1: Strolls a very tall glass of water named Vince Vaughn, who's talking on the phone. This is when the confusion starts. He's talking on the phone about like he's saying something like, well, when she can get back to me, you know, tell her, you know, I'm in an event. I'm busy.
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Speaker 2: Like he seems very powerful in himself, right.
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Speaker 3: But he's probably talking to Carrie Fisher and she's like getting cat food.
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Speaker 1: Totally totally, but you have no idea because he really pulls it off, right, Like he really seems like I hold the power.
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Speaker 2: I hold the power.
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Speaker 1: So he walks out, and of course he's delicious looking and carries there looking also very delicious with a lot of highlighter on our face.
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Speaker 2: I might add it is and it's shiny. It's shiny, man.
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Speaker 3: Highlight. It looks beautiful.
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Speaker 1: We used to have those palettes by Oh my god, I'm not gonna remember her name. She still makes makeup, but it's not so popular now as it was then. We had a palate. It had like like you know, white pink, like like tanner, all shiny, and we would open the palate and we would take our hand. We would just run the face.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love that you were talking about the makeup because they think people want to know about do you think do you think.
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Speaker 1: Trish Macavoy is Trisha Macavoy? Yes, And I mean like we went through them like where our hands would be on the metal, you know what I mean, and we would like our shoulders and our color bone and our chin.
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Speaker 3: They must have given you a ton of makeup.
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Speaker 1: Ev Actually, I don't think it had happened. Maybe third season is when it started coming good. Yeah, it came all kind of crazy makeup and skin care and we would just use all of it. And I did end up running my skin.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got rosetia because I would just put it on whatever they sent like it was a big lycolic acid time.
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Speaker 3: Oh I don't like that's good but.
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Speaker 1: I would just be slattering myself and whatever because I thought I had wrinkles. Ha, what on earth?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: I know, when you look at yourself when you're younger, we were so hard on ourselves. I know, I look at myself in that episode. I was like, oh, I we should I look like that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: You're gorgeous now, like your eyes, your you know, you have all the things. But yes, back then we were little babies and baby know it and we didn't know it.
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Speaker 2: And also the world was very hard on us at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if we had lived through the nineties, we had been through the ring.
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Speaker 3: They say most murders happened in the nineties.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's a different podcast, Jennifer.
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Speaker 2: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, So outwalks, Keith travers that is that it is, it's fun and for some reason, he says, representing Matt Damon, that's why she thinks he's an agent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Right, But it's interesting that he says that. But also then once he so he gets them in the party, so he seems to actually have power, and then someone comes up to him and goes, hey, you know there's a VIP room.
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Speaker 2: So he I mean, but.
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Speaker 1: That's because he's an assistant to everybody, which we now know, right, But they don't know this, and they don't even know the dynamic of an assistant having so much power, because yes, a sistance willed a lot of power, especially if you are somehow Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Kerrie Fisher and wait, there's.
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Speaker 2: Any mar Jenny Marshall.
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Speaker 1: My god, somehow could manage those four people?
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Speaker 3: Amazing?
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Speaker 2: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Right, Like, why were they all sharing an assistant?
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Speaker 2: What on earth?
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Speaker 3: Why were they sharing an assistant? I love how in the episode they talk about like this home is so expensive three million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Every time I said it, I was dying. I was dying.
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Speaker 1: Every time I said that, I was like, wait, wait, is that even accurate?
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Speaker 2: Is that even accurate? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But also we don't know how many bedrooms because they only go to that big room with a view.
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Speaker 3: Anything for three million, I mean anything anywhere?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you, I'm like what what?
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Speaker 1: Anyway, We're back to the episode Lovely Beautiful. Vince Bawn walks out and he's like so so charming, good god, right, and Harry's like giggling, we're all so.
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Speaker 3: Short that's what's funny.
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Speaker 1: He's literally tall, and he's a giant and thin and dressed beautifully.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he looks fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was very impressive. So and then he's representing Matt Damon. So they go inside and then he's like, oh, there's a VIP party. Then he asks her to go to lunch and she agrees, but then they have to go look at this house and it shows them driving up the hill.
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Speaker 2: It's so la, right, it reminds right, yeah, And that remind me of the studio.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch the Studio and all those driving where they at that car episode where they're they're driving from here to there and here to there.
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Speaker 2: It reminded me of that.
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Speaker 1: They drive up, they look at this incredible how she thinks he's looking and she's like, wow, why do you need so much space?
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Speaker 2: And he's like, I guess I don't.
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Speaker 3: And then they make out, which is also like what they're making out against the glass. They're almost doing it very hot.
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Speaker 2: It's very hot, very hot.
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Speaker 1: And then the realer comes out and then Sarah's embarrassed, but he's not embarrassed. I'm like, you wouldn't be embarrassed. Carrie, you know, la whatever. People are making out all the time. But I wasn't there to say that.
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Speaker 3: I'm so uptight. I'm uptight like Charlotte. I'm like, oh, stoping to myself, like, stop making out. There's a person there.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, No, that Reeler would be like, I'm going to sell this house. He'd be totally into it, do you know what I mean? Right, be fine, they're they're digging, they're making out, you know what I mean, do whatever you want. Then then so they oh, then they go that. Carrie says she's starting to like La, which, of course, you know, something bad is gonna happen. You know, we're going to take a turn after we've said that, because that can't that can't last.
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Speaker 3: That can't last.
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Speaker 1: So then then she goes to a date at supposedly Keith's house, which is of course beautiful.
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Speaker 2: They're in the hot tub. It's la.
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Speaker 1: It's so la, like it feels so la and sexy night time la. Right, and they're in the hot tub, they're making out. Then it's the morning and who should come in but Carrie Fisher, and she says something like did you feed the cats?
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Speaker 2: Or whatever?
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Speaker 1: It's all very funny, and it turns out that Keith is in fact a personal assistant, and Carrie Fisher thinks Carrie's a prostitute.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny, and it goes on for so long, and poor Carrie tries to tell her, no, no, I'm a columnist.
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Speaker 2: Carrie Fisher's unmoved.
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Speaker 1: She's like mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: You know, she's not convinced.
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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all.
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Speaker 1: And also, I mean it's interesting Carrie's reaction, like she holds it together more than I would have if Carrie Fisher walked in. Yeah, absolutely right, it was all.
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Speaker 2: Very very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Like I kind of feel like I need to rewatch that part again. There's a lot going on just in that scene and that episode. There's so much going on.
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Speaker 1: There's so much going on, which is how I feel of all of our episodes, right, especially for the la ones.
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Speaker 2: It's just jam packed.
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Speaker 1: And because visually it's also so different, so much to take care, so gorgeous, the palm trees and the car and the you know, the outfits are like amped up a bit, you know, it's pretty great. So then, right, the Playboy Mansion also in those crazy, crazy outfits. And then they're in the grotto, which is scary, and I wasn't there for all that, right, wasn't I wasn't there for all of it. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know what was going on. And then they take a turn, they take the wrong term turn, and then Carry says it's time to go home, and you're like, yes, it's time to go home. They get home and Carry goes into her apartment. You just feel so.
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Speaker 3: Relieved, you do, and she gets to smoke inside her own apartment.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the real stuff in her apartment because she's like, everything in here is wrong.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's important, that's important, And I mean I get that about La. I don't feel like that's so true anymore. Though I'm probably not objective anymore, but I feel like, especially because New York has also really changed, not to say that it's not real, but like it's.
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Speaker 3: Kind of pretty bougie.
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Speaker 2: It's a bougie good word, good word.
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Speaker 3: I love New York. But it's definitely I grew up in New York, so it's definitely bougie or right, right.
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Speaker 1: But fabulous yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you have to go far out in Brooklyn now to find not bougie, and then it is there is there maybe Bushwick Bushwick, Right, yeah, right, I've read about I've read about this being a trend. Okay, let's talk about Samantha for a second. I'd totally forgotten about the whole fake Bendy storyline, and I think it's so interesting because we don't ever mentioned child labor or anything. Is maybe that would be too heavy, But like since then, there's been a lot of education about why you can make a cheap bag, you know, that looks the same. But then also there was I can't remember which brand it wasn't probably shouldn't say, but there was some brand where they found that the true brand was also using child labor and that the bag costs a tiny, tiny fraction of what they charge. And I feel like now there's a lot more thought and education into fast fashion versus real versus child labor versus not versus what are you actually buying? Not to say that the brands aren't still important. They are, but back then, I feel like that was just the size of the brand, right right, The fact that this guy is selling the fake Bendi's and Samantha, it's like.
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Speaker 2: You can't, don't until you look inside.
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Speaker 1: And then it says made in China. I mean it's all very funny, but like also still so relevant, completely relevant, and that's what's interesting.
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Speaker 3: Sex in the City. I feel like every episode is still relevant.
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Speaker 2: I know, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I mean there are certain things where you'll, like we were talking on the landline phones, you know, sometimes that are so funny. And in the beginning there's the payphones so adorable, right, so adorable. There's things like that that are just like things you reminisce about. But the through line, the bigger storylines are very relatable, which is why we're here talking about it.
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Speaker 3: I think it lives on even more.
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Speaker 2: I agree popularity we had no idea. We had no idea, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like the success in general the first time was amazing to us. I bet yeah, yeah, because you never know, you know, you could be making a great show and it could not be popular.
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you never know, And now.
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Speaker 1: It's just craziness in our industry. So Samantha is in La you know, she's going around, you know, she sees Hugh Hefner, who's basically the celebrity sighting that she wanted, which is kind of funny but I guess makes sense, right, And then she goes out to shopping but she and she's wearing that insane hat which I had not remembered it all with like the pie that black.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a big hat.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how they talked Michael Patrick into it, yeah, but they did. And then she buys the fake Bendy because she's spending all her money on clothes and she's walking on.
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Speaker 2: Rodeo, which I feel like she does later on like in the movie. Maybe, Yeah, don't we.
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Speaker 1: Have a for some reason, she goes to la at some point in the future.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's when she's managing Smith Jarrett Smith Jarrett good One.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's got a Mercedes and she's shopping. She's got a little dog. Oh, a cute little dog.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't even gotten there.
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Speaker 1: But it's kind of an interesting like you know, beginning, that's what we're gonna see. Yeah, yeah, And I thought, oh gosh, I sometimes I remember visuals like I had remembered that hat, but I thought that was in the later time that she comes to Roadale, But no, it's way back in the Thursdays.
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Speaker 3: It seems later, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: I agree totally. Then let's talk about Miranda for a second.
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Speaker 1: So Miranda goes off to meet Lou from Letterman and this is just so so fun and he's not He's not angry anymore, so that's exciting for her. It makes your go like, hm, you know, should maybe I try to be less angry.
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Speaker 2: So for a little bit it kind of works.
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Speaker 1: And he asked her to go on a hike, and she looks like, you know, slightly traumatized. Which is kind of funny too, because this is what everyone here does.
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Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to do it.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to do it, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm not. It's hiking, I don't so much.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is Marsha and I used to hike all the time. I used to hike with everyone that was our That was what we did because I'm sober, so I don't you know what I mean. We hiked, We went to yoga class, and we hiked. I haven't hiked that much lately. The fires ruined some of my hiking places, though I think I think one of them reopened. But yeah, I used to hike every day. Will Rogers is open. Yeah, that's where I'm but it's not all. It's all I know, and I'm just kind of scared to go, you know what I mean. I'll go with you, will you? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: But you know it's nice. They have the lawn.
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Speaker 1: You can just pick up on the lawn, really pretty. Yeah, you don't have to hike, right, you know, like sweat.
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Speaker 3: I like it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool, cool cool, So okay, Miranda, Miranda. This guy's adorable. I don't remember this guy. I'm glad you've seen him in other things. I don't think I ever met him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was completely away from I didn't meet him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, completely away and really good. And he's writing for a hit sitcom that somehow about people in New York.
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Speaker 2: And I was trying to think, like, they're not talking about friends.
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Speaker 3: Are they friends?
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Speaker 2: Were they talking about friends?
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Speaker 3: Okay, you talk about friends because Sarah Jessica is like, and there's a feisty waitress.
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Speaker 2: That's true. Oh my god, I didn't puty together, thank you. And at one point.
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Speaker 1: They make some joke about how you couldn't afford uh this apartment, the New York apartment, and I'm like, it's so fun because there's also things people say about us.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally, But your apartments were a lot more accurate.
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Speaker 1: Well, my apartment had to do with Trey, right, and then before Trey. You never see my whole apartment anyway, right, Yeah, and then her apartment, I feel like it's very accurate, except that it was supposedly on seventy sixth Street, which is so bizarre. And somehow I hadn't remembered that because we all was filmed on Perry Street, which is where I thought it was. So, I mean, that was a big like what when we started the podcast, I'm like, she lives on the Upper east Side, what apparently she does?
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Speaker 3: Or did?
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Speaker 1: Did?
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Speaker 3: Did?
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Speaker 1: Because she she moved to Grammercy Park. That's where we left her in the old beautiful apartment grammar Sy Park, so beautiful, so beautiful. I lived Grammercy Park adjacent at one point.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful. My father had a studio fifteen Grammercy Park and Key's to the park. So beautiful, amazing, amazing, best real estate in New York.
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Speaker 2: Best real estate in New York. So we had a deal for that apartment there.
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Speaker 1: That was a real place, you know, with the beautiful gate in the balcony in the front and the stained glass door. You know, it's also.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful down there.
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Speaker 1: The ones that had been you know, kept nicely and right towards the end of the third season, they were like, no, we don't want you guys to film down here. Why because there was someone down there. I really should be saying none of this, but it's great fun because now I can because the show's over. There was someone on the on the park right, so you know, like if you're facing the park, that's like the primal estate and you're all part of the group that gets the keys, you know what I'm saying, you're kind of the Yeah. And he was remodeling his roundstone and he didn't want to compete with the trucks and whatever when we would work, and everyone suspected that he was doing things without permits. Oh now I know if none of this is true, which is why I can say it right. But we went to the neighborhood agreement people or whatever, you know, the committee and said like, we've got to pull there. I'm not going to let them work. And everybody in our world was in just a whole panic. So Sarah had to go and film things through the end of the season before they pulled it away, I know, but we had built almost the whole thing on a lot of you know, a studio, so like her whole backyard was built so that we could flood it.
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Speaker 2: Because they flooded it.
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Speaker 1: They built the garden and that had to be controlled because the weather in New York is you know, you can't control that. Yeah, So they built all of that, which was great, but we had to film the front because we couldn't recreate.
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Speaker 3: That no way. Yes, that's like the Brady Bunch, is it. Yeah, they had the front of a house and then shot inside was it the house? The house? They just used the exterior read the television show, and then everything shot on the SD I got it, got it. Got I love stories like that. Thank you so much for telling us.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, right, I know, the weird stuff you have to do with Okay, so wait, Samantha, sorry, no, Miranda, Miranda with this guy Lou so Lou is a right, and then at one point when he doesn't want to eat the food, She's like, but you're a writer, you're not even on camera, and he's like, but people look at me or whatever, And I just know that was all of our writers going through the fact that, like, you have to get on stage now, you have to do press, you have to get on stage with us when we win things. Thank god, we're running things. But you know what I'm saying, like it is a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Pressure, and nobody wants a fat story editor.
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Speaker 2: No, that's what he says.
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Speaker 3: That's what he says.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's true or not, but I understand that I'm kind a fat story editor.
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Speaker 3: That means that like they're writing good jokes and you know, good trying fun.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, yeah, that person Lou Letterman, Lou might be taking a little too hard. But I do feel like our our writers felt the pressure.
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Speaker 2: The pressure, Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: We should have one of them back to talk to us about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I I yeah, I do, because I think that this was the time when things were getting so much more kind of heightened in terms of people watching and us getting nominated for stuff. And the first time we went to the Golden Globes when we won, I mean, we were like, what you know, Michael's got like a full curly afro.
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Speaker 3: It's so irish thro totally.
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Speaker 2: It's like the cutest thing in the world.
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Speaker 3: But we did not know what we were doing.
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Speaker 2: Like, we didn't have stylists.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I went to Richard Tyler and tried on dresses that were like in the window.
00:19:25
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they were so nice to me. He was so nice to me.
00:19:28
Speaker 1: But there was another woman at the first Golden Globes that we went to wearing my same dress. Because it was in the window. It was like anyone could walk.
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Speaker 2: In there and buy it, you know what I mean. We didn't know what we were doing.
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Speaker 1: At all at all, but that's amazing. I think back to just the innocence, you know, like it's kind of fun, it's adorable. It's adorable. I mean, yes, things could go wrong, but also it was sweet. It was like sweet time, happy and innocent and shocked, you know by it all shocked shocked. But I think also the writers were going through that, which is why they're writing this, because we'd I think our first Golden Globe for the season or during the season or sometime soon around I don't know, I should I should figure these dates out, but you know, sometime around now, right and it was rushing that day, so like, I have terrible, terrible hair. That first time I won the Golden Glover, had terrible hair. Oh you're so sweet. Your hair has never looked at You're so sweet.
00:20:18
Speaker 2: I think, like pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then let's talk about Charlotte for a second, because this is one of those scenes. There are occasionally times where I'm looking back and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I did great in that scene. When I so, I come, I'm very hard on myself. I know.
00:20:30
Speaker 2: So I'm still in New York. I did love. I did love that.
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Speaker 1: We see the scene of Trey and I where I'm all dressed up and I say like, how did I do? And he says, you did great and everything's beautiful and so perfect. And then I'm like, you know, I have an idea, doctor or whatever I say, and then he's like.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm going to go on a run.
00:20:48
Speaker 1: And I say maybe we should think about biogra and he's like, don't you know it's dangerous and heart problems run in my family, and then he goes out to run.
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Speaker 3: It's like so sad. It is sad, and I didn't know that Viagro is bad for him men's heart.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. We should probably research.
00:21:03
Speaker 3: We should research that, yeah, because my husband was like, it's not by Yeah.
00:21:06
Speaker 2: I think it was new.
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Speaker 1: I think at the time it was relatively new, which is also like it was hysterical to think about, right, Oh my god, because we do that another episode. Isn't it wild to think about like we do another episode where were talking about viagraph for women, like women take viagra, Kim Samantha gets into viagra. It was new and exciting and different, and I don't think anyone knew really right. But I also think the tray is just trying to make excuses because he doesn't want to deal with those problems, which is of course why the relationship.
00:21:35
Speaker 3: But you handled that scene beautifully that way.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: That one's okay, you were coming that.
00:21:40
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
00:21:41
Speaker 2: I like that scene. I like that scene.
00:21:42
Speaker 1: But then so then I leave and I surprised Carrie at the door for hotel, which is so funny, and she's like, you could have just called me. It's kind of funny and adorable. But Carrie's the only one who knows at that point about the problems because I told her at the wedding under my veil, right, Trey can't get it up. The scene I didn't love myself in is the on basically our coffee shop in La where I just suddenly blurt out to everybody that we've never had sex.
00:22:06
Speaker 3: And you're like, my marriage is a fake fantabia.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: Right.
00:22:09
Speaker 3: I don't love that. I don't love my performance. Well, I will say that you delivered that line. That is a very hard line, thank you my marriage.
00:22:18
Speaker 2: I didn't love it.
00:22:19
Speaker 1: I didn't love the line, and I didn't love my line.
00:22:22
Speaker 3: I didn't love the line, but I loved your delivery.
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Jennifer. That's very nice.
00:22:27
Speaker 3: That's a very great as.
00:22:28
Speaker 2: Oh you're so.
00:22:29
Speaker 3: Sweet, thank you.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: I just it's one of those ones too, where like there's certain things that Charlotte does repetitively, right, and one of them is like to blurt things out emotionally kind of And it's hard then when I look at it now, like I see the challenges and that they have me doing kind of similar things, and so how do you make that different? And I don't know that I was smart enough to think about that then, right, Yes, you were, Okay.
00:22:52
Speaker 3: You inherently did it perfectly sweet. You're Charlotte.
00:22:57
Speaker 2: It's like perfection, Thank you so much.
00:23:00
Speaker 3: That is weird on a television show. They're like, she does this, so we're gonna write that a million times.
00:23:06
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I mean that I wouldn't say that our writers really went too far, but I do think that they thought that each character had their lane right, and so like, for a while, they would say to me, like, you know, Charlotte doesn't get angry, and I'd be like, that's so crazy, you guys, she has to get angry, you know, But they like they just had their ideas right.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: But you got angry in your Charlotte.
00:23:26
Speaker 2: Way I did.
00:23:26
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it wasn't like a real like it was like a positive sweet anger.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: I mean, for a while, we're gonna get to a point where I actually get to get really angry.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: I don't know when it's coming, but it's coming.
00:23:39
Speaker 1: It's coming. I mean, certainly by the first movie. Maybe that was the first time, I don't know, but they let me get really angry in the worst movie, thank.
00:23:45
Speaker 3: And that was smart, was right, right.
00:23:48
Speaker 1: So Charlotte shows up in La so excited because she can just pretend she's single, I guess you know what I mean, like at the at the Playboy mansion and then she tells them it's a fake Fendy And then I think, sam this is so funny in this scene where she's just like, you've never had sex that she just keeps saying it, and I mean, yes, it is crazy, like I married this guy and I have never had sex with him.
00:24:12
Speaker 2: It so happens a lot.
00:24:14
Speaker 3: Do you think, yeah?
00:24:15
Speaker 1: What?
00:24:15
Speaker 3: And I think Samantha's just saying that because all she can think about is sex.
00:24:19
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, but I also think, I think for a grown woman who obviously I mean, I also understand Charlotte has her fantasies, and Charlotte really is trying to make life fit into her fantasies. And as we know, that's not really going to work, right, But she's giving it everything she's got. You know, she's going to try as hard as she could possibly try. Doesn't work because that's just not how life goes. You know, you can't like will it to be you know exactly how you want it. You have to deal with who's really in front of you, right, And he's complicated, And I think the sad thing for me, which we're starting to see and we're going to see more of. Is the problem is that he doesn't want to deal with it, right, that's.
00:24:58
Speaker 3: The real problem.
00:24:59
Speaker 1: He's so waspy, he's so waspy and shut down, and she's sad. Yeah, but he's just so gorgeous and he's Kyle comic Blackland dreaming, so beyond dreaming. I was lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky lucky. But it's sad to watch the storyline, and a lot of the storyline I don't remember either because I just remember Kyle, you know, I remember working together.
00:25:20
Speaker 3: I don't remember that Paige heft it all.
00:25:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it was hard on Killer. He was the biggest herd on Kill. No, of course, and she I get that. I get that you have like a weird relationship with your mother. It's hard to somehow then be just like great with your wife or your girlfriend or whatever.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I get that. But still it's interesting. But also Franny was a love so it's hard to remember what's on screen. Francis Sternhagen an amazing, amazing woman. Okay, so Charlotte comes then she's just like I'm gonna be you know, like I'm single with the girls in La and then we end up at the Playboy mansion. I'm talking to this duty in who's supposedly an art collector. Literally has nothing interesting to say. It comes from nowhere. I know, there's no explanation.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: No, I'm just there laying on the rocks. I'm like, what's happening.
00:26:10
Speaker 1: I have zero memory, okay, like literally nothing like almost negative, nothing.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: Like maybe it was my double ganger there.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting right, interesting or it's just six am or whatever before the sun comes up. I have no idea. But I'm just there giggling, drinking like a fool. And then he says, you know, let me do something for you, let me buy you some boobs. And I'm like, I don't need any boobs, and I get up and leave, which is pretty funny.
00:26:40
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny and very La.
00:26:42
Speaker 1: Of the moment.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: It's so back that that's right, Yeah, I mean the boobs were everywhere. I'm gonna buy you some boobs.
00:26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, the boobs were just like I mean, yeah, it's so crazy to think, how like brainwashed you get.
00:26:58
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, And at that time I think we were all still a little bit brainwashed.
00:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
00:27:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think there was There wasn't social media yet, right, so there wasn't really you just thought that you have to be like the models or like whatever the thing is you know that put out there, and so all of us that were trying to act, we're just trying to fit in to what we thought they wanted from us exactly.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: It was very hard.
00:27:27
Speaker 3: But then you're on the show where you're actually playing the parts of the men, like the parts that the men would have gotten. So I mean it's incredible, yes, so much.
00:27:36
Speaker 1: Definitely, But we still had to fit in the clothes.
00:27:38
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying, And you still had.
00:27:40
Speaker 1: To go to photo shoots where they were only sample sizes and back then they didn't cut for any hips or butt or thighs or anything, which is straight okay, Like there I would be on whole photo shoots were not one single thing fit me, not one single thing. Like the stress was so intense, you know. So sometimes I would just bring a bag of my clothes like basics, like black pants or whatever.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: I would hide it until I needed it.
00:28:05
Speaker 3: That's so smart, Well, because I mean.
00:28:07
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like there's literally nothing, there's nothing on the rack that when it.
00:28:11
Speaker 3: Embarrass fitting horrible. I hate fittings horrible of any kind.
00:28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, I love fittings if they're with our people, right, because you're at home. They make it fun. They obviously know your body. But sometimes when you're going to other fittings where you don't know.
00:28:26
Speaker 3: The people, it's scary.
00:28:27
Speaker 2: It's still scary.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: And this is after thirty plus years of me doing.
00:28:31
Speaker 3: It, interesting, isn't it. I feel the same way, right, Yeah.
00:28:35
Speaker 1: It's a it's just a difficult and awkward thing. And I think like from the outside it seems glamorous and amazing, and there's part of it that is right that you even get to go to Armani or whatever it is right and hopefully there's some nice person there. Like my stylist now at this point in time, was one of the you know, personal stylists at Oarmaney who would dress us well.
00:28:58
Speaker 3: I have to say your clothes on Sex and the City were the best I think. I mean I loved all of them, but I mean your style and the way you wore.
00:29:06
Speaker 2: Them, thank you. That's my fake.
00:29:08
Speaker 1: It developed over time, you know it really did. It developed over time, and it took a while for Pat and I to kind of figure out like a commonality, right, because Pat came from her kind of alternative fashion world, which was amazing and really valid and really changed television. That we got to have her and have her put a twist on it all. But I didn't necessarily fit into that, right, And part of it was that I didn't think Charlotte fit into that, you know what I'm saying, right, But Pat felt like the way Upper East Side Lady's dress was boring, which I totally understand, so she wanted to twist it. But then also I just had a body that like there was at that point in time ten inches difference between my waist and my hips. Pat did not understand that. She would just be like, what is that?
00:29:56
Speaker 2: I don't know, Pat, I just run and run and run, and then I.
00:30:00
Speaker 1: Currently hike and then and then I go to the gym and then I mean.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And I don't know what to do with that.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: I mean, this went on, you know, on and on, and then the movie came out Secretary with Maggie gillenhok Oh, and she you remember that movie, It was like sexy, kind of light snm and she's wearing like pussy bow tops and tight skirts, and the sexy secretary became very in and Pat.
00:30:26
Speaker 2: Was like sexy secretary and I was.
00:30:27
Speaker 1: Like, yes, thank God, yes, let's do that.
00:30:30
Speaker 3: It's so great.
00:30:31
Speaker 2: But we hadn't found it yet here at this point in time.
00:30:34
Speaker 3: No, it was kind of the only one who really had established her.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: Look was Carrie very much.
00:30:40
Speaker 1: And I mean Sarah and Pat were very on the same page. But I also think, like when I've been watching the show, I mean, I would say Samantha also because she's very like there was some past episodes like she comes to my house one time, she's drunk and she's wearing very sexy lingerie with a fur coat out on the street on Central Park on Fifth Avenue. I get Central Park West, Central Park West, that's where Charlotte lived then, Like, I mean, iconic, iconic Samantha very much. There she goes to the firehouse. Do you remember in that her boys dress that's already happened. She puts on the fireman things. Samantha also pretty much from the get go, was pretty vividly created, you know. And Miranda, I think too, because the suits, right, Like, do you remember all her kind of slightly nineties power suit situation.
00:31:26
Speaker 2: All of that was there from the beginning.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: And I mean I did have softness, I had like flowers and prints and things, but we hadn't gotten the full the full. But I love like when I see this episode, I love everything Charlotte's wearing.
00:31:40
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
00:31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was working. It was working.
00:31:44
Speaker 1: We're just not quite gelled yet, you know what I mean. Are there any other things that you remember that we didn't touch?
00:32:00
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like we did it. I'm just so happy to be here. I mean, and that episode was so much fun.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: It's so great.
00:32:10
Speaker 3: I recommend people watch it right now.
00:32:12
Speaker 1: I recommend we go rewatch it too. I mean that's how I felt when I ended it. And the other thing that I think is really interesting.
00:32:18
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about this.
00:32:18
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen Hated Rivalry.
00:32:20
Speaker 3: Yes, dude, do you love it? I love it?
00:32:24
Speaker 2: Isn't it incredible?
00:32:25
Speaker 3: I love it. It's amazing.
00:32:26
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about butts are so tight. Those butts are something for sure, for sure.
00:32:32
Speaker 1: I mean that's one thing and has going for it has many things going for Hannah has not watched it.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: We have to ask her later.
00:32:38
Speaker 1: But one of the things I'm mulling over all the reasons that it's this huge phenomenon, and I have many theories, and many people have many theories. And I saw Estra parrel Do you know Estra Parrella wonderful therapist? She was on Instagram, I think yesterday talking about how it's a corrective experience watching it because as you're watching it for interests, if you think about that press conference early on where Hudson's character doesn't know what to say, I'm now switched to the real people because you know they're all infiltrating our brain at all times. He doesn't know what to say, and then Ilia the Connor's character speaks up for him. Like then when he in the end, you know, confesses to his mom the truth and she says, what did I do wrong that you couldn't tell me? Like it's like everything you would dream of people saying. They say they do, like it's like a healing experience to exactly exactly, Like it's kind of right. But isn't that kind of amazing?
00:33:34
Speaker 2: Why?
00:33:35
Speaker 1: I think it's why people have such an emotional connection to it. But I also feel and I was thinking about that versus our show, because one of the things that the first show and definitely the second show did was show all the crazy, kind of bad, embarrassing things that could happen to you, right, and that you were going to be okay.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:52
Speaker 1: That you were gonna be okay, You were going to go tell your girlfriends about it, and all of you were going to laugh.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:57
Speaker 1: Like it might feel so embarrassing at the time, right, And like there would be different ones of us over time, of the actors who would be like, oh, they embarrassed my character the most.
00:34:06
Speaker 2: No, they embarrassed my character the most.
00:34:07
Speaker 3: They embarrassed your character the most. In the movie.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: It's so true, Okay, so true.
00:34:14
Speaker 2: And I tell Michael Patrick this, it.
00:34:18
Speaker 1: Has happened to Yes, that's what Michael Patrick said at the time. I mean, yes, many embarrassing things happened. But I mean, if you were to ask any of us, they you could go down the list of Miranda's embarrassing things, like she vomits on someone she's having sex with.
00:34:29
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
00:34:31
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot there's a lot for everybody, do you know what I mean? But that was kind of the point.
00:34:38
Speaker 3: It's so therapeutic.
00:34:39
Speaker 1: Wait, it's therapeutic, but in it a different way. Yeah, not in a corrective way, like and I think, obviously this is twenty twenty five.
00:34:47
Speaker 2: We need wait it's twenty twenty six.
00:34:49
Speaker 3: Oh that was scared.
00:34:50
Speaker 2: I keeps saying twenty six.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: I know, right, we need we need healing, Like the world is a really big wreck. Right back in two thousand, the world wasn't this much of a yet either, Like it was a different time.
00:35:02
Speaker 3: Do mean no, not at all.
00:35:03
Speaker 1: And I think there's something also to be said about collectively enjoying media and storytelling, right, which back in the day, you know, in the beginning, not everyone had HBO, So it was that this thing, like, you know, can I go to someone's house and watch HBO? Can I go to a party and watch watch the show?
00:35:20
Speaker 4: Right?
00:35:21
Speaker 1: Because people wanted to do it together. And I think that's what's happening with heated rivalry, where you can go to bars and people are watching or people are rewatching, rewatching and then conversing on social media about it to connect that we write that right now, we really need that exactly exactly, and I think it's the power of good storytelling.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, and something that's open and honest. I don't know, Like with Sex and the City, it was like I was like, oh my god, for women, it was like what you were doing is like what we were going through and like, oh, I feel okay to like sex and I feel all right, you know. Definitely is a confidence, definitely, and that's what we wanted. That's what we wanted to do. I need to do totally.
00:36:01
Speaker 1: But I think the thing about Heated Rivalry which is interesting is the women watching Heated Rivalry as an antedote to toxic masculinity, right, Like, there's so many interesting cultural elements of heated rivalry and the success of heated rivalry. And I was talking to a friend who was I was talking to I don't know if I should say I was talking to someone yesterday.
00:36:25
Speaker 2: I don't want to name.
00:36:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I can't even remember what I was going to say because I was talking to someone yesterday who's super knowledgeable about the business, who's a producer now, who used to be at HBO. And I was saying to her, you know, it's so amazing that Jacob Tierney, who did Heated Rivalry.
00:36:42
Speaker 2: Yes, wait, no, not all Brick. We married the names.
00:36:48
Speaker 1: They're definitely not married. Carolyn Strouss. I was talking to Carolyn stress very good, Jennifer read my men. She's very smart, and we were talking about the success of Heated Rivalry, and she was saying, I said, you know, it's so hard because first of all, right now in our business, no one's green lighting anything really because our business is upside down. Yeah, it's really sad and scary, scary for everyone, scary for every one of all layers of our business. But also we were talking about budgets and choices and fear. Right, So I was saying, I feel like there's so much fear now about you know, what to do, what not to do? You know, don't offend anyone. Like everyone just can't function.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: We're going to have nothing exactly less because like we're putting out nothing, you know.
00:37:31
Speaker 1: I do know, But I also feel and I feel like Heated Rivalry is a really, really good example. So they had it set up at a big streamer hair I don't know which one. It was, not on HBO Max, I'm pretty sure, and they were giving them a bunch of notes. And they told them because it was from the book, right, and they told them Francois has been out in the world saying this. They told them no kissing till episode five.
00:37:53
Speaker 3: What I know, it.
00:37:55
Speaker 2: Would have been horrible.
00:37:57
Speaker 1: So whoever it was was like, you know, totally and a gut gut the insides of what it was.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: Right.
00:38:04
Speaker 1: So Jacob Tierney, the showrunner, the incredibly brilliant Jacob Tierney said, Okay, you know what, we can't do this. I'm going to take it back to Canada. I'm going to go to Crave TV or whatever the app is called Crave, Crave just Crave.
00:38:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Crave. They're not going to give us so much notes.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: He also basically didn't have a budget, right, Like they made it for almost in thirty six days, right, but look at how incredible it is. But that's because the budget wasn't very high, so people weren't very scared, and he was very smart and he could do what he wanted to do.
00:38:38
Speaker 2: And this is what it takes.
00:38:40
Speaker 3: Sex and the City. You you didn't have like a lot of notes for me.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: We had no notes. That's what I was talking about.
00:38:46
Speaker 3: That's why it's so good.
00:38:47
Speaker 2: That's true. But we and we had felt.
00:38:49
Speaker 3: Like, you know, Larry David kicked them.
00:38:51
Speaker 1: Out of the right because they try and they.
00:38:54
Speaker 3: Didn't have notes. But those notes are so destructive, they're horrible.
00:38:58
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:59
Speaker 1: She she has to give me this sign because I'll talk forever.
00:39:02
Speaker 2: So I have a super burning, burning question. Yes, are you a Charlotte?
00:39:07
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a good question. I wish I was a Charlotte. I'm a Carrie.
00:39:11
Speaker 2: Are you sure?
00:39:13
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure? Just because I grew up on the Lower East Side of It having as like her, I was very like free spirited. I wish I was a Charlotte.
00:39:23
Speaker 2: I love feeling like you kind of are.
00:39:24
Speaker 3: I'm kind of Charlotte. Okay, okay, I'm Charlotte in many ways. I'm a combo.
00:39:31
Speaker 1: I'm a combo too of Carrie.
00:39:33
Speaker 3: Charotte, you are too.
00:39:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah.
00:39:36
Speaker 3: When I saw you playing Charlotte, I was like, I know her. I was like, she's doing a really good job because she's not really Charlotte.
00:39:42
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's everyone in the world who doesn't know me thinks that I'm really not acting because I am Charlotte.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: They don't know you just did it so well.
00:39:50
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, I appreciate it.
00:39:52
Speaker 3: I never thought of you as a Charlotte Tiger because my regular life.
00:39:55
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that the thing that you is interesting about acting is that part of what you respond to is like energetic of people, right, So I think the energetics of Charlotte, Like you have the same energetics as Charlotte and myself, which is like friendly, warm, enthusiastic cheerleader, you know, the total limits, right, And that's who Charlotte is in the foursome, you know, like that's an important kind of energetic beat that she provides. Say so free spirit I am. I am not at all like Charlotte.
00:40:26
Speaker 3: You're not like planning things out at all and you're.
00:40:29
Speaker 1: I'm not You're really back in the old days, you would say like where are you going to be in five years, ten years, twenty years?
00:40:34
Speaker 2: And I would just be like what just so from alive totally.
00:40:40
Speaker 1: I remember such a like everyone would just be like, that's the question. You have to make a plan, And I was.
00:40:46
Speaker 2: Like, what, people are crazy?
00:40:48
Speaker 1: Like I'm definitely much more hippy than Charlotte.
00:40:51
Speaker 3: You are, and you're you're all like I don't know, you're very spiritual and lovely love and.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: You're a lovely person too. Thank you for joining. Thank you so much.
00:41:03
Speaker 3: It was so much fun and such good memories.
00:41:06
Speaker 2: I'm so impressed.
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? We have the incredible Jennifer Leese Cox with us.
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Speaker 2: Part two.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Here we go, okay, so we're outside, we've made it to where they're they're at your event where you don't let Samantha and carry into the after party.
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Speaker 3: So mean of you, but so happy seeing the movie I know, which.
00:00:32
Speaker 1: Is so la, so la and so funny that they're like, no one sees the movie. No, we live for movies out here, people, that's our job. It's a movie town. And you're like, definitely no. And also now it is true, there's like little youngsters like you were at the time, like little people with those lists, like little young people.
00:00:52
Speaker 3: Like god, they're out there, they're out there on a power trip, right, yeah, all right, whatever makes you feel powerful.
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Speaker 1: Totally totally, but you do it well, you wield your power well. So then they're like, oh, what are we gonna do? So Samantha goes off to get the car and of course it's going to take an hour, which is so true.
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Speaker 3: Maybe too good actually at that time at an event totally.
00:01:15
Speaker 2: You are stuck, man, and you might.
00:01:16
Speaker 3: Get another car. I did get another car one night, and you're just like, that's not my car.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you get.
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Speaker 2: In the wrong car.
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Speaker 3: I've done that.
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Speaker 2: I've done that.
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Speaker 1: You're just like, thank God, a car is here and you get in it, and then you realize, no, that's not it's not right.
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Speaker 2: But luckily, out.
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Speaker 1: Strolls a very tall glass of water named Vince Vaughn, who's talking on the phone. This is when the confusion starts. He's talking on the phone about like he's saying something like, well, when she can get back to me, you know, tell her, you know, I'm in an event. I'm busy.
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Speaker 2: Like he seems very powerful in himself, right.
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Speaker 3: But he's probably talking to Carrie Fisher and she's like getting cat food.
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Speaker 1: Totally totally, but you have no idea because he really pulls it off, right, Like he really seems like I hold the power.
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Speaker 2: I hold the power.
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Speaker 1: So he walks out, and of course he's delicious looking and carries there looking also very delicious with a lot of highlighter on our face.
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Speaker 2: I might add it is and it's shiny. It's shiny, man.
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Speaker 3: Highlight. It looks beautiful.
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Speaker 1: We used to have those palettes by Oh my god, I'm not gonna remember her name. She still makes makeup, but it's not so popular now as it was then. We had a palate. It had like like you know, white pink, like like tanner, all shiny, and we would open the palate and we would take our hand. We would just run the face.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love that you were talking about the makeup because they think people want to know about do you think do you think.
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Speaker 1: Trish Macavoy is Trisha Macavoy? Yes, And I mean like we went through them like where our hands would be on the metal, you know what I mean, and we would like our shoulders and our color bone and our chin.
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Speaker 3: They must have given you a ton of makeup.
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Speaker 1: Ev Actually, I don't think it had happened. Maybe third season is when it started coming good. Yeah, it came all kind of crazy makeup and skin care and we would just use all of it. And I did end up running my skin.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got rosetia because I would just put it on whatever they sent like it was a big lycolic acid time.
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Speaker 3: Oh I don't like that's good but.
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Speaker 1: I would just be slattering myself and whatever because I thought I had wrinkles. Ha, what on earth?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: I know, when you look at yourself when you're younger, we were so hard on ourselves. I know, I look at myself in that episode. I was like, oh, I we should I look like that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: You're gorgeous now, like your eyes, your you know, you have all the things. But yes, back then we were little babies and baby know it and we didn't know it.
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Speaker 2: And also the world was very hard on us at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if we had lived through the nineties, we had been through the ring.
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Speaker 3: They say most murders happened in the nineties.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's a different podcast, Jennifer.
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Speaker 2: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, So outwalks, Keith travers that is that it is, it's fun and for some reason, he says, representing Matt Damon, that's why she thinks he's an agent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Right, But it's interesting that he says that. But also then once he so he gets them in the party, so he seems to actually have power, and then someone comes up to him and goes, hey, you know there's a VIP room.
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Speaker 2: So he I mean, but.
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Speaker 1: That's because he's an assistant to everybody, which we now know, right, But they don't know this, and they don't even know the dynamic of an assistant having so much power, because yes, a sistance willed a lot of power, especially if you are somehow Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Kerrie Fisher and wait, there's.
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Speaker 2: Any mar Jenny Marshall.
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Speaker 1: My god, somehow could manage those four people?
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Speaker 3: Amazing?
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Speaker 2: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Right, Like, why were they all sharing an assistant?
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Speaker 2: What on earth?
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Speaker 3: Why were they sharing an assistant? I love how in the episode they talk about like this home is so expensive three million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Every time I said it, I was dying. I was dying.
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Speaker 1: Every time I said that, I was like, wait, wait, is that even accurate?
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Speaker 2: Is that even accurate? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But also we don't know how many bedrooms because they only go to that big room with a view.
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Speaker 3: Anything for three million, I mean anything anywhere?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you, I'm like what what?
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Speaker 1: Anyway, We're back to the episode Lovely Beautiful. Vince Bawn walks out and he's like so so charming, good god, right, and Harry's like giggling, we're all so.
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Speaker 3: Short that's what's funny.
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Speaker 1: He's literally tall, and he's a giant and thin and dressed beautifully.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he looks fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was very impressive. So and then he's representing Matt Damon. So they go inside and then he's like, oh, there's a VIP party. Then he asks her to go to lunch and she agrees, but then they have to go look at this house and it shows them driving up the hill.
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Speaker 2: It's so la, right, it reminds right, yeah, And that remind me of the studio.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch the Studio and all those driving where they at that car episode where they're they're driving from here to there and here to there.
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Speaker 2: It reminded me of that.
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Speaker 1: They drive up, they look at this incredible how she thinks he's looking and she's like, wow, why do you need so much space?
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Speaker 2: And he's like, I guess I don't.
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Speaker 3: And then they make out, which is also like what they're making out against the glass. They're almost doing it very hot.
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Speaker 2: It's very hot, very hot.
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Speaker 1: And then the realer comes out and then Sarah's embarrassed, but he's not embarrassed. I'm like, you wouldn't be embarrassed. Carrie, you know, la whatever. People are making out all the time. But I wasn't there to say that.
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Speaker 3: I'm so uptight. I'm uptight like Charlotte. I'm like, oh, stoping to myself, like, stop making out. There's a person there.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, No, that Reeler would be like, I'm going to sell this house. He'd be totally into it, do you know what I mean? Right, be fine, they're they're digging, they're making out, you know what I mean, do whatever you want. Then then so they oh, then they go that. Carrie says she's starting to like La, which, of course, you know, something bad is gonna happen. You know, we're going to take a turn after we've said that, because that can't that can't last.
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Speaker 3: That can't last.
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Speaker 1: So then then she goes to a date at supposedly Keith's house, which is of course beautiful.
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Speaker 2: They're in the hot tub. It's la.
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Speaker 1: It's so la, like it feels so la and sexy night time la. Right, and they're in the hot tub, they're making out. Then it's the morning and who should come in but Carrie Fisher, and she says something like did you feed the cats?
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Speaker 2: Or whatever?
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Speaker 1: It's all very funny, and it turns out that Keith is in fact a personal assistant, and Carrie Fisher thinks Carrie's a prostitute.
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Speaker 3: It's so funny.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny, and it goes on for so long, and poor Carrie tries to tell her, no, no, I'm a columnist.
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Speaker 2: Carrie Fisher's unmoved.
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Speaker 1: She's like mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: You know, she's not convinced.
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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all.
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Speaker 1: And also, I mean it's interesting Carrie's reaction, like she holds it together more than I would have if Carrie Fisher walked in. Yeah, absolutely right, it was all.
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Speaker 2: Very very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Like I kind of feel like I need to rewatch that part again. There's a lot going on just in that scene and that episode. There's so much going on.
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Speaker 1: There's so much going on, which is how I feel of all of our episodes, right, especially for the la ones.
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Speaker 2: It's just jam packed.
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Speaker 1: And because visually it's also so different, so much to take care, so gorgeous, the palm trees and the car and the you know, the outfits are like amped up a bit, you know, it's pretty great. So then, right, the Playboy Mansion also in those crazy, crazy outfits. And then they're in the grotto, which is scary, and I wasn't there for all that, right, wasn't I wasn't there for all of it. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know what was going on. And then they take a turn, they take the wrong term turn, and then Carry says it's time to go home, and you're like, yes, it's time to go home. They get home and Carry goes into her apartment. You just feel so.
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Speaker 3: Relieved, you do, and she gets to smoke inside her own apartment.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the real stuff in her apartment because she's like, everything in here is wrong.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's important, that's important, And I mean I get that about La. I don't feel like that's so true anymore. Though I'm probably not objective anymore, but I feel like, especially because New York has also really changed, not to say that it's not real, but like it's.
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Speaker 3: Kind of pretty bougie.
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Speaker 2: It's a bougie good word, good word.
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Speaker 3: I love New York. But it's definitely I grew up in New York, so it's definitely bougie or right, right.
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Speaker 1: But fabulous yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you have to go far out in Brooklyn now to find not bougie, and then it is there is there maybe Bushwick Bushwick, Right, yeah, right, I've read about I've read about this being a trend. Okay, let's talk about Samantha for a second. I'd totally forgotten about the whole fake Bendy storyline, and I think it's so interesting because we don't ever mentioned child labor or anything. Is maybe that would be too heavy, But like since then, there's been a lot of education about why you can make a cheap bag, you know, that looks the same. But then also there was I can't remember which brand it wasn't probably shouldn't say, but there was some brand where they found that the true brand was also using child labor and that the bag costs a tiny, tiny fraction of what they charge. And I feel like now there's a lot more thought and education into fast fashion versus real versus child labor versus not versus what are you actually buying? Not to say that the brands aren't still important. They are, but back then, I feel like that was just the size of the brand, right right, The fact that this guy is selling the fake Bendi's and Samantha, it's like.
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Speaker 2: You can't, don't until you look inside.
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Speaker 1: And then it says made in China. I mean it's all very funny, but like also still so relevant, completely relevant, and that's what's interesting.
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Speaker 3: Sex in the City. I feel like every episode is still relevant.
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Speaker 2: I know, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: I mean there are certain things where you'll, like we were talking on the landline phones, you know, sometimes that are so funny. And in the beginning there's the payphones so adorable, right, so adorable. There's things like that that are just like things you reminisce about. But the through line, the bigger storylines are very relatable, which is why we're here talking about it.
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Speaker 3: I think it lives on even more.
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Speaker 2: I agree popularity we had no idea. We had no idea, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like the success in general the first time was amazing to us. I bet yeah, yeah, because you never know, you know, you could be making a great show and it could not be popular.
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you never know, And now.
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Speaker 1: It's just craziness in our industry. So Samantha is in La you know, she's going around, you know, she sees Hugh Hefner, who's basically the celebrity sighting that she wanted, which is kind of funny but I guess makes sense, right, And then she goes out to shopping but she and she's wearing that insane hat which I had not remembered it all with like the pie that black.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a big hat.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how they talked Michael Patrick into it, yeah, but they did. And then she buys the fake Bendy because she's spending all her money on clothes and she's walking on.
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Speaker 2: Rodeo, which I feel like she does later on like in the movie. Maybe, Yeah, don't we.
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Speaker 1: Have a for some reason, she goes to la at some point in the future.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's when she's managing Smith Jarrett Smith Jarrett good One.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's got a Mercedes and she's shopping. She's got a little dog. Oh, a cute little dog.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't even gotten there.
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Speaker 1: But it's kind of an interesting like you know, beginning, that's what we're gonna see. Yeah, yeah, And I thought, oh gosh, I sometimes I remember visuals like I had remembered that hat, but I thought that was in the later time that she comes to Roadale, But no, it's way back in the Thursdays.
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Speaker 3: It seems later, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: I agree totally. Then let's talk about Miranda for a second.
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Speaker 1: So Miranda goes off to meet Lou from Letterman and this is just so so fun and he's not He's not angry anymore, so that's exciting for her. It makes your go like, hm, you know, should maybe I try to be less angry.
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Speaker 2: So for a little bit it kind of works.
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Speaker 1: And he asked her to go on a hike, and she looks like, you know, slightly traumatized. Which is kind of funny too, because this is what everyone here does.
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Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to do it.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to do it, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm not. It's hiking, I don't so much.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is Marsha and I used to hike all the time. I used to hike with everyone that was our That was what we did because I'm sober, so I don't you know what I mean. We hiked, We went to yoga class, and we hiked. I haven't hiked that much lately. The fires ruined some of my hiking places, though I think I think one of them reopened. But yeah, I used to hike every day. Will Rogers is open. Yeah, that's where I'm but it's not all. It's all I know, and I'm just kind of scared to go, you know what I mean. I'll go with you, will you? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: But you know it's nice. They have the lawn.
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Speaker 1: You can just pick up on the lawn, really pretty. Yeah, you don't have to hike, right, you know, like sweat.
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Speaker 3: I like it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool, cool cool, So okay, Miranda, Miranda. This guy's adorable. I don't remember this guy. I'm glad you've seen him in other things. I don't think I ever met him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was completely away from I didn't meet him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, completely away and really good. And he's writing for a hit sitcom that somehow about people in New York.
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Speaker 2: And I was trying to think, like, they're not talking about friends.
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Speaker 3: Are they friends?
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Speaker 2: Were they talking about friends?
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Speaker 3: Okay, you talk about friends because Sarah Jessica is like, and there's a feisty waitress.
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Speaker 2: That's true. Oh my god, I didn't puty together, thank you. And at one point.
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Speaker 1: They make some joke about how you couldn't afford uh this apartment, the New York apartment, and I'm like, it's so fun because there's also things people say about us.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally, But your apartments were a lot more accurate.
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Speaker 1: Well, my apartment had to do with Trey, right, and then before Trey. You never see my whole apartment anyway, right, Yeah, and then her apartment, I feel like it's very accurate, except that it was supposedly on seventy sixth Street, which is so bizarre. And somehow I hadn't remembered that because we all was filmed on Perry Street, which is where I thought it was. So, I mean, that was a big like what when we started the podcast, I'm like, she lives on the Upper east Side, what apparently she does?
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Speaker 3: Or did?
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Speaker 1: Did?
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Speaker 3: Did?
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Speaker 1: Because she she moved to Grammercy Park. That's where we left her in the old beautiful apartment grammar Sy Park, so beautiful, so beautiful. I lived Grammercy Park adjacent at one point.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful. My father had a studio fifteen Grammercy Park and Key's to the park. So beautiful, amazing, amazing, best real estate in New York.
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Speaker 2: Best real estate in New York. So we had a deal for that apartment there.
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Speaker 1: That was a real place, you know, with the beautiful gate in the balcony in the front and the stained glass door. You know, it's also.
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Speaker 3: Beautiful down there.
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Speaker 1: The ones that had been you know, kept nicely and right towards the end of the third season, they were like, no, we don't want you guys to film down here. Why because there was someone down there. I really should be saying none of this, but it's great fun because now I can because the show's over. There was someone on the on the park right, so you know, like if you're facing the park, that's like the primal estate and you're all part of the group that gets the keys, you know what I'm saying, you're kind of the Yeah. And he was remodeling his roundstone and he didn't want to compete with the trucks and whatever when we would work, and everyone suspected that he was doing things without permits. Oh now I know if none of this is true, which is why I can say it right. But we went to the neighborhood agreement people or whatever, you know, the committee and said like, we've got to pull there. I'm not going to let them work. And everybody in our world was in just a whole panic. So Sarah had to go and film things through the end of the season before they pulled it away, I know, but we had built almost the whole thing on a lot of you know, a studio, so like her whole backyard was built so that we could flood it.
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Speaker 2: Because they flooded it.
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Speaker 1: They built the garden and that had to be controlled because the weather in New York is you know, you can't control that. Yeah, So they built all of that, which was great, but we had to film the front because we couldn't recreate.
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Speaker 3: That no way. Yes, that's like the Brady Bunch, is it. Yeah, they had the front of a house and then shot inside was it the house? The house? They just used the exterior read the television show, and then everything shot on the SD I got it, got it. Got I love stories like that. Thank you so much for telling us.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, right, I know, the weird stuff you have to do with Okay, so wait, Samantha, sorry, no, Miranda, Miranda with this guy Lou so Lou is a right, and then at one point when he doesn't want to eat the food, She's like, but you're a writer, you're not even on camera, and he's like, but people look at me or whatever, And I just know that was all of our writers going through the fact that, like, you have to get on stage now, you have to do press, you have to get on stage with us when we win things. Thank god, we're running things. But you know what I'm saying, like it is a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Pressure, and nobody wants a fat story editor.
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Speaker 2: No, that's what he says.
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Speaker 3: That's what he says.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's true or not, but I understand that I'm kind a fat story editor.
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Speaker 3: That means that like they're writing good jokes and you know, good trying fun.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, yeah, that person Lou Letterman, Lou might be taking a little too hard. But I do feel like our our writers felt the pressure.
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Speaker 2: The pressure, Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: We should have one of them back to talk to us about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I I yeah, I do, because I think that this was the time when things were getting so much more kind of heightened in terms of people watching and us getting nominated for stuff. And the first time we went to the Golden Globes when we won, I mean, we were like, what you know, Michael's got like a full curly afro.
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Speaker 3: It's so irish thro totally.
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Speaker 2: It's like the cutest thing in the world.
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Speaker 3: But we did not know what we were doing.
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Speaker 2: Like, we didn't have stylists.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I went to Richard Tyler and tried on dresses that were like in the window.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, they were so nice to me. He was so nice to me.
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Speaker 1: But there was another woman at the first Golden Globes that we went to wearing my same dress. Because it was in the window. It was like anyone could walk.
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Speaker 2: In there and buy it, you know what I mean. We didn't know what we were doing.
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Speaker 1: At all at all, but that's amazing. I think back to just the innocence, you know, like it's kind of fun, it's adorable. It's adorable. I mean, yes, things could go wrong, but also it was sweet. It was like sweet time, happy and innocent and shocked, you know by it all shocked shocked. But I think also the writers were going through that, which is why they're writing this, because we'd I think our first Golden Globe for the season or during the season or sometime soon around I don't know, I should I should figure these dates out, but you know, sometime around now, right and it was rushing that day, so like, I have terrible, terrible hair. That first time I won the Golden Glover, had terrible hair. Oh you're so sweet. Your hair has never looked at You're so sweet.
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Speaker 2: I think, like pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then let's talk about Charlotte for a second, because this is one of those scenes. There are occasionally times where I'm looking back and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I did great in that scene. When I so, I come, I'm very hard on myself. I know.
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Speaker 2: So I'm still in New York. I did love. I did love that.
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Speaker 1: We see the scene of Trey and I where I'm all dressed up and I say like, how did I do? And he says, you did great and everything's beautiful and so perfect. And then I'm like, you know, I have an idea, doctor or whatever I say, and then he's like.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm going to go on a run.
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Speaker 1: And I say maybe we should think about biogra and he's like, don't you know it's dangerous and heart problems run in my family, and then he goes out to run.
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Speaker 3: It's like so sad. It is sad, and I didn't know that Viagro is bad for him men's heart.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it is. We should probably research.
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Speaker 3: We should research that, yeah, because my husband was like, it's not by Yeah.
00:21:06
Speaker 2: I think it was new.
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Speaker 1: I think at the time it was relatively new, which is also like it was hysterical to think about, right, Oh my god, because we do that another episode. Isn't it wild to think about like we do another episode where were talking about viagraph for women, like women take viagra, Kim Samantha gets into viagra. It was new and exciting and different, and I don't think anyone knew really right. But I also think the tray is just trying to make excuses because he doesn't want to deal with those problems, which is of course why the relationship.
00:21:35
Speaker 3: But you handled that scene beautifully that way.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: That one's okay, you were coming that.
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Speaker 3: I don't like it.
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Speaker 2: I like that scene. I like that scene.
00:21:42
Speaker 1: But then so then I leave and I surprised Carrie at the door for hotel, which is so funny, and she's like, you could have just called me. It's kind of funny and adorable. But Carrie's the only one who knows at that point about the problems because I told her at the wedding under my veil, right, Trey can't get it up. The scene I didn't love myself in is the on basically our coffee shop in La where I just suddenly blurt out to everybody that we've never had sex.
00:22:06
Speaker 3: And you're like, my marriage is a fake fantabia.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: Right.
00:22:09
Speaker 3: I don't love that. I don't love my performance. Well, I will say that you delivered that line. That is a very hard line, thank you my marriage.
00:22:18
Speaker 2: I didn't love it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't love the line, and I didn't love my line.
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Speaker 3: I didn't love the line, but I loved your delivery.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Jennifer. That's very nice.
00:22:27
Speaker 3: That's a very great as.
00:22:28
Speaker 2: Oh you're so.
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Speaker 3: Sweet, thank you.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: I just it's one of those ones too, where like there's certain things that Charlotte does repetitively, right, and one of them is like to blurt things out emotionally kind of And it's hard then when I look at it now, like I see the challenges and that they have me doing kind of similar things, and so how do you make that different? And I don't know that I was smart enough to think about that then, right, Yes, you were, Okay.
00:22:52
Speaker 3: You inherently did it perfectly sweet. You're Charlotte.
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Speaker 2: It's like perfection, Thank you so much.
00:23:00
Speaker 3: That is weird on a television show. They're like, she does this, so we're gonna write that a million times.
00:23:06
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I mean that I wouldn't say that our writers really went too far, but I do think that they thought that each character had their lane right, and so like, for a while, they would say to me, like, you know, Charlotte doesn't get angry, and I'd be like, that's so crazy, you guys, she has to get angry, you know, But they like they just had their ideas right.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: But you got angry in your Charlotte.
00:23:26
Speaker 2: Way I did.
00:23:26
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it wasn't like a real like it was like a positive sweet anger.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: I mean, for a while, we're gonna get to a point where I actually get to get really angry.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: I don't know when it's coming, but it's coming.
00:23:39
Speaker 1: It's coming. I mean, certainly by the first movie. Maybe that was the first time, I don't know, but they let me get really angry in the worst movie, thank.
00:23:45
Speaker 3: And that was smart, was right, right.
00:23:48
Speaker 1: So Charlotte shows up in La so excited because she can just pretend she's single, I guess you know what I mean, like at the at the Playboy mansion and then she tells them it's a fake Fendy And then I think, sam this is so funny in this scene where she's just like, you've never had sex that she just keeps saying it, and I mean, yes, it is crazy, like I married this guy and I have never had sex with him.
00:24:12
Speaker 2: It so happens a lot.
00:24:14
Speaker 3: Do you think, yeah?
00:24:15
Speaker 1: What?
00:24:15
Speaker 3: And I think Samantha's just saying that because all she can think about is sex.
00:24:19
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, but I also think, I think for a grown woman who obviously I mean, I also understand Charlotte has her fantasies, and Charlotte really is trying to make life fit into her fantasies. And as we know, that's not really going to work, right, But she's giving it everything she's got. You know, she's going to try as hard as she could possibly try. Doesn't work because that's just not how life goes. You know, you can't like will it to be you know exactly how you want it. You have to deal with who's really in front of you, right, And he's complicated, And I think the sad thing for me, which we're starting to see and we're going to see more of. Is the problem is that he doesn't want to deal with it, right, that's.
00:24:58
Speaker 3: The real problem.
00:24:59
Speaker 1: He's so waspy, he's so waspy and shut down, and she's sad. Yeah, but he's just so gorgeous and he's Kyle comic Blackland dreaming, so beyond dreaming. I was lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky lucky. But it's sad to watch the storyline, and a lot of the storyline I don't remember either because I just remember Kyle, you know, I remember working together.
00:25:20
Speaker 3: I don't remember that Paige heft it all.
00:25:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it was hard on Killer. He was the biggest herd on Kill. No, of course, and she I get that. I get that you have like a weird relationship with your mother. It's hard to somehow then be just like great with your wife or your girlfriend or whatever.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I get that. But still it's interesting. But also Franny was a love so it's hard to remember what's on screen. Francis Sternhagen an amazing, amazing woman. Okay, so Charlotte comes then she's just like I'm gonna be you know, like I'm single with the girls in La and then we end up at the Playboy mansion. I'm talking to this duty in who's supposedly an art collector. Literally has nothing interesting to say. It comes from nowhere. I know, there's no explanation.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: No, I'm just there laying on the rocks. I'm like, what's happening.
00:26:10
Speaker 1: I have zero memory, okay, like literally nothing like almost negative, nothing.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: Like maybe it was my double ganger there.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, interesting right, interesting or it's just six am or whatever before the sun comes up. I have no idea. But I'm just there giggling, drinking like a fool. And then he says, you know, let me do something for you, let me buy you some boobs. And I'm like, I don't need any boobs, and I get up and leave, which is pretty funny.
00:26:40
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny and very La.
00:26:42
Speaker 1: Of the moment.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: It's so back that that's right, Yeah, I mean the boobs were everywhere. I'm gonna buy you some boobs.
00:26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, the boobs were just like I mean, yeah, it's so crazy to think, how like brainwashed you get.
00:26:58
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, And at that time I think we were all still a little bit brainwashed.
00:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
00:27:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think there was There wasn't social media yet, right, so there wasn't really you just thought that you have to be like the models or like whatever the thing is you know that put out there, and so all of us that were trying to act, we're just trying to fit in to what we thought they wanted from us exactly.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: It was very hard.
00:27:27
Speaker 3: But then you're on the show where you're actually playing the parts of the men, like the parts that the men would have gotten. So I mean it's incredible, yes, so much.
00:27:36
Speaker 1: Definitely, But we still had to fit in the clothes.
00:27:38
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying, And you still had.
00:27:40
Speaker 1: To go to photo shoots where they were only sample sizes and back then they didn't cut for any hips or butt or thighs or anything, which is straight okay, Like there I would be on whole photo shoots were not one single thing fit me, not one single thing. Like the stress was so intense, you know. So sometimes I would just bring a bag of my clothes like basics, like black pants or whatever.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: I would hide it until I needed it.
00:28:05
Speaker 3: That's so smart, Well, because I mean.
00:28:07
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like there's literally nothing, there's nothing on the rack that when it.
00:28:11
Speaker 3: Embarrass fitting horrible. I hate fittings horrible of any kind.
00:28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, I love fittings if they're with our people, right, because you're at home. They make it fun. They obviously know your body. But sometimes when you're going to other fittings where you don't know.
00:28:26
Speaker 3: The people, it's scary.
00:28:27
Speaker 2: It's still scary.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: And this is after thirty plus years of me doing.
00:28:31
Speaker 3: It, interesting, isn't it. I feel the same way, right, Yeah.
00:28:35
Speaker 1: It's a it's just a difficult and awkward thing. And I think like from the outside it seems glamorous and amazing, and there's part of it that is right that you even get to go to Armani or whatever it is right and hopefully there's some nice person there. Like my stylist now at this point in time, was one of the you know, personal stylists at Oarmaney who would dress us well.
00:28:58
Speaker 3: I have to say your clothes on Sex and the City were the best I think. I mean I loved all of them, but I mean your style and the way you wore.
00:29:06
Speaker 2: Them, thank you. That's my fake.
00:29:08
Speaker 1: It developed over time, you know it really did. It developed over time, and it took a while for Pat and I to kind of figure out like a commonality, right, because Pat came from her kind of alternative fashion world, which was amazing and really valid and really changed television. That we got to have her and have her put a twist on it all. But I didn't necessarily fit into that, right, And part of it was that I didn't think Charlotte fit into that, you know what I'm saying, right, But Pat felt like the way Upper East Side Lady's dress was boring, which I totally understand, so she wanted to twist it. But then also I just had a body that like there was at that point in time ten inches difference between my waist and my hips. Pat did not understand that. She would just be like, what is that?
00:29:56
Speaker 2: I don't know, Pat, I just run and run and run, and then I.
00:30:00
Speaker 1: Currently hike and then and then I go to the gym and then I mean.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And I don't know what to do with that.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: I mean, this went on, you know, on and on, and then the movie came out Secretary with Maggie gillenhok Oh, and she you remember that movie, It was like sexy, kind of light snm and she's wearing like pussy bow tops and tight skirts, and the sexy secretary became very in and Pat.
00:30:26
Speaker 2: Was like sexy secretary and I was.
00:30:27
Speaker 1: Like, yes, thank God, yes, let's do that.
00:30:30
Speaker 3: It's so great.
00:30:31
Speaker 2: But we hadn't found it yet here at this point in time.
00:30:34
Speaker 3: No, it was kind of the only one who really had established her.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: Look was Carrie very much.
00:30:40
Speaker 1: And I mean Sarah and Pat were very on the same page. But I also think, like when I've been watching the show, I mean, I would say Samantha also because she's very like there was some past episodes like she comes to my house one time, she's drunk and she's wearing very sexy lingerie with a fur coat out on the street on Central Park on Fifth Avenue. I get Central Park West, Central Park West, that's where Charlotte lived then, Like, I mean, iconic, iconic Samantha very much. There she goes to the firehouse. Do you remember in that her boys dress that's already happened. She puts on the fireman things. Samantha also pretty much from the get go, was pretty vividly created, you know. And Miranda, I think too, because the suits, right, Like, do you remember all her kind of slightly nineties power suit situation.
00:31:26
Speaker 2: All of that was there from the beginning.
00:31:28
Speaker 1: And I mean I did have softness, I had like flowers and prints and things, but we hadn't gotten the full the full. But I love like when I see this episode, I love everything Charlotte's wearing.
00:31:40
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
00:31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was working. It was working.
00:31:44
Speaker 1: We're just not quite gelled yet, you know what I mean. Are there any other things that you remember that we didn't touch?
00:32:00
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like we did it. I'm just so happy to be here. I mean, and that episode was so much fun.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: It's so great.
00:32:10
Speaker 3: I recommend people watch it right now.
00:32:12
Speaker 1: I recommend we go rewatch it too. I mean that's how I felt when I ended it. And the other thing that I think is really interesting.
00:32:18
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about this.
00:32:18
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen Hated Rivalry.
00:32:20
Speaker 3: Yes, dude, do you love it? I love it?
00:32:24
Speaker 2: Isn't it incredible?
00:32:25
Speaker 3: I love it. It's amazing.
00:32:26
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about butts are so tight. Those butts are something for sure, for sure.
00:32:32
Speaker 1: I mean that's one thing and has going for it has many things going for Hannah has not watched it.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: We have to ask her later.
00:32:38
Speaker 1: But one of the things I'm mulling over all the reasons that it's this huge phenomenon, and I have many theories, and many people have many theories. And I saw Estra parrel Do you know Estra Parrella wonderful therapist? She was on Instagram, I think yesterday talking about how it's a corrective experience watching it because as you're watching it for interests, if you think about that press conference early on where Hudson's character doesn't know what to say, I'm now switched to the real people because you know they're all infiltrating our brain at all times. He doesn't know what to say, and then Ilia the Connor's character speaks up for him. Like then when he in the end, you know, confesses to his mom the truth and she says, what did I do wrong that you couldn't tell me? Like it's like everything you would dream of people saying. They say they do, like it's like a healing experience to exactly exactly, Like it's kind of right. But isn't that kind of amazing?
00:33:34
Speaker 2: Why?
00:33:35
Speaker 1: I think it's why people have such an emotional connection to it. But I also feel and I was thinking about that versus our show, because one of the things that the first show and definitely the second show did was show all the crazy, kind of bad, embarrassing things that could happen to you, right, and that you were going to be okay.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:52
Speaker 1: That you were gonna be okay, You were going to go tell your girlfriends about it, and all of you were going to laugh.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:57
Speaker 1: Like it might feel so embarrassing at the time, right, And like there would be different ones of us over time, of the actors who would be like, oh, they embarrassed my character the most.
00:34:06
Speaker 2: No, they embarrassed my character the most.
00:34:07
Speaker 3: They embarrassed your character the most. In the movie.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: It's so true, Okay, so true.
00:34:14
Speaker 2: And I tell Michael Patrick this, it.
00:34:18
Speaker 1: Has happened to Yes, that's what Michael Patrick said at the time. I mean, yes, many embarrassing things happened. But I mean, if you were to ask any of us, they you could go down the list of Miranda's embarrassing things, like she vomits on someone she's having sex with.
00:34:29
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
00:34:31
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot there's a lot for everybody, do you know what I mean? But that was kind of the point.
00:34:38
Speaker 3: It's so therapeutic.
00:34:39
Speaker 1: Wait, it's therapeutic, but in it a different way. Yeah, not in a corrective way, like and I think, obviously this is twenty twenty five.
00:34:47
Speaker 2: We need wait it's twenty twenty six.
00:34:49
Speaker 3: Oh that was scared.
00:34:50
Speaker 2: I keeps saying twenty six.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: I know, right, we need we need healing, Like the world is a really big wreck. Right back in two thousand, the world wasn't this much of a yet either, Like it was a different time.
00:35:02
Speaker 3: Do mean no, not at all.
00:35:03
Speaker 1: And I think there's something also to be said about collectively enjoying media and storytelling, right, which back in the day, you know, in the beginning, not everyone had HBO, So it was that this thing, like, you know, can I go to someone's house and watch HBO? Can I go to a party and watch watch the show?
00:35:20
Speaker 4: Right?
00:35:21
Speaker 1: Because people wanted to do it together. And I think that's what's happening with heated rivalry, where you can go to bars and people are watching or people are rewatching, rewatching and then conversing on social media about it to connect that we write that right now, we really need that exactly exactly, and I think it's the power of good storytelling.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, and something that's open and honest. I don't know, Like with Sex and the City, it was like I was like, oh my god, for women, it was like what you were doing is like what we were going through and like, oh, I feel okay to like sex and I feel all right, you know. Definitely is a confidence, definitely, and that's what we wanted. That's what we wanted to do. I need to do totally.
00:36:01
Speaker 1: But I think the thing about Heated Rivalry which is interesting is the women watching Heated Rivalry as an antedote to toxic masculinity, right, Like, there's so many interesting cultural elements of heated rivalry and the success of heated rivalry. And I was talking to a friend who was I was talking to I don't know if I should say I was talking to someone yesterday.
00:36:25
Speaker 2: I don't want to name.
00:36:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I can't even remember what I was going to say because I was talking to someone yesterday who's super knowledgeable about the business, who's a producer now, who used to be at HBO. And I was saying to her, you know, it's so amazing that Jacob Tierney, who did Heated Rivalry.
00:36:42
Speaker 2: Yes, wait, no, not all Brick. We married the names.
00:36:48
Speaker 1: They're definitely not married. Carolyn Strouss. I was talking to Carolyn stress very good, Jennifer read my men. She's very smart, and we were talking about the success of Heated Rivalry, and she was saying, I said, you know, it's so hard because first of all, right now in our business, no one's green lighting anything really because our business is upside down. Yeah, it's really sad and scary, scary for everyone, scary for every one of all layers of our business. But also we were talking about budgets and choices and fear. Right, So I was saying, I feel like there's so much fear now about you know, what to do, what not to do? You know, don't offend anyone. Like everyone just can't function.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: We're going to have nothing exactly less because like we're putting out nothing, you know.
00:37:31
Speaker 1: I do know, But I also feel and I feel like Heated Rivalry is a really, really good example. So they had it set up at a big streamer hair I don't know which one. It was, not on HBO Max, I'm pretty sure, and they were giving them a bunch of notes. And they told them because it was from the book, right, and they told them Francois has been out in the world saying this. They told them no kissing till episode five.
00:37:53
Speaker 3: What I know, it.
00:37:55
Speaker 2: Would have been horrible.
00:37:57
Speaker 1: So whoever it was was like, you know, totally and a gut gut the insides of what it was.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: Right.
00:38:04
Speaker 1: So Jacob Tierney, the showrunner, the incredibly brilliant Jacob Tierney said, Okay, you know what, we can't do this. I'm going to take it back to Canada. I'm going to go to Crave TV or whatever the app is called Crave, Crave just Crave.
00:38:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Crave. They're not going to give us so much notes.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: He also basically didn't have a budget, right, Like they made it for almost in thirty six days, right, but look at how incredible it is. But that's because the budget wasn't very high, so people weren't very scared, and he was very smart and he could do what he wanted to do.
00:38:38
Speaker 2: And this is what it takes.
00:38:40
Speaker 3: Sex and the City. You you didn't have like a lot of notes for me.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: We had no notes. That's what I was talking about.
00:38:46
Speaker 3: That's why it's so good.
00:38:47
Speaker 2: That's true. But we and we had felt.
00:38:49
Speaker 3: Like, you know, Larry David kicked them.
00:38:51
Speaker 1: Out of the right because they try and they.
00:38:54
Speaker 3: Didn't have notes. But those notes are so destructive, they're horrible.
00:38:58
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:59
Speaker 1: She she has to give me this sign because I'll talk forever.
00:39:02
Speaker 2: So I have a super burning, burning question. Yes, are you a Charlotte?
00:39:07
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a good question. I wish I was a Charlotte. I'm a Carrie.
00:39:11
Speaker 2: Are you sure?
00:39:13
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure? Just because I grew up on the Lower East Side of It having as like her, I was very like free spirited. I wish I was a Charlotte.
00:39:23
Speaker 2: I love feeling like you kind of are.
00:39:24
Speaker 3: I'm kind of Charlotte. Okay, okay, I'm Charlotte in many ways. I'm a combo.
00:39:31
Speaker 1: I'm a combo too of Carrie.
00:39:33
Speaker 3: Charotte, you are too.
00:39:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah.
00:39:36
Speaker 3: When I saw you playing Charlotte, I was like, I know her. I was like, she's doing a really good job because she's not really Charlotte.
00:39:42
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's everyone in the world who doesn't know me thinks that I'm really not acting because I am Charlotte.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: They don't know you just did it so well.
00:39:50
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, I appreciate it.
00:39:52
Speaker 3: I never thought of you as a Charlotte Tiger because my regular life.
00:39:55
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that the thing that you is interesting about acting is that part of what you respond to is like energetic of people, right, So I think the energetics of Charlotte, Like you have the same energetics as Charlotte and myself, which is like friendly, warm, enthusiastic cheerleader, you know, the total limits, right, And that's who Charlotte is in the foursome, you know, like that's an important kind of energetic beat that she provides. Say so free spirit I am. I am not at all like Charlotte.
00:40:26
Speaker 3: You're not like planning things out at all and you're.
00:40:29
Speaker 1: I'm not You're really back in the old days, you would say like where are you going to be in five years, ten years, twenty years?
00:40:34
Speaker 2: And I would just be like what just so from alive totally.
00:40:40
Speaker 1: I remember such a like everyone would just be like, that's the question. You have to make a plan, And I was.
00:40:46
Speaker 2: Like, what, people are crazy?
00:40:48
Speaker 1: Like I'm definitely much more hippy than Charlotte.
00:40:51
Speaker 3: You are, and you're you're all like I don't know, you're very spiritual and lovely love and.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: You're a lovely person too. Thank you for joining. Thank you so much.
00:41:03
Speaker 3: It was so much fun and such good memories.
00:41:06
Speaker 2: I'm so impressed.