Dec. 8, 2025
The Brian Walshe Trial Day 6: Blood Stains in Basement and Walshe Buying Dismemberment Supplies
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RSS Feed The Brian Walshe trial wrapped up its 6th day of testimony with a number of eerie visuals and evidence. Jurors saw Brian Walshe shopping for dismemberment supplies within hours of Ana Walshe’s death, even bringing their child with him to a follow up visit to the store. We also heard and saw photos of blood stains found in the Walshe home on rugs and towels, on a knife and on the basement floor, but as Amy and T.J. discuss, the defense continued to score points in cross examination.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December the eighth and day sixth of testimony and the Brian Walsh trial is now in the books. Evidence a lot of it was going over in court today, including some pretty remarkable, some pretty eerie videos of Brian Walsh not long after he says his wife died. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes were talking about. Yes, this case. One big deal about the case is that he admitted to cutting up and disposing of his wife's body. These videos show him buying the tools.
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Speaker 2: It's you said, eerie, That's a really good way to put it. And when he is at Low's. I believe that was on January first, in the afternoon, so we are talking within hours of his wife dying. We see him with a mask and blue latex gloves purchasing all of the items that he used. And we can say this because he's admitted to it to chop up, dismember his wife's body. So yes, I was actually even watching the Low's employee unknowingly being a part of this where he's, like I said, can you imagine after the fact, now he's watching this surveillance video that's being played in quarter, or at least is aware of it. And he's holding and touching these items and selling them to this man who is going to use them for the most despicable, disgusting, unthinkable act. It's just the idea of it, just it all hits you when you watch the surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd heard about some of the video. We've been hearing about video that shows him throwing stuff in the dumpster. Well we saw that stuff today and then surveillance video. I guess one that's most head scratching in bizarre robes is that one of them, he is actually entering the store with a young child. They blur out the child's face. We have to assume it's one of his kids. But to think he made a run to the store on that day to continue buying cleaning items and the woman he just chopped up. He took that woman's child with him to the store to collect these ideas. That was again, the videos were the most fascinating part of the day.
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Speaker 2: I know, I looked at you and I said, can you even imagine that kid's going to know at some point in his life, Daddy took me to the store to get things to clean up my mom's body. It's it really it doesn't seem like anyone that we know or that we love, or even when we think about what we're capable of. Could you bring a child, the child of the mother you just or were about to dismember that I don't know why that takes it to a whole other level, but it just does.
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Speaker 1: All right. So that was certainly some of the highlights of the day. We'll give you more about those videos in a second, but the day started today. They continued with the examiner who was on last week at the end of the day on Friday, but the medical examiner was back up. Also. We talked about so much of the evidence and so much of these surveillance videos that we'll get to but ropes the medical examiner, and as to be expected when over a lot of the evidence and blood was found downstairs. We found some blood on the hack saw, we found blood on a night the piece of rug, all these things. That stuff is to be expected. They had to get all these things in evidence. But then the guy, now we've been kind of in awe of Larry Tipton, the defense attorney, He got up and started making points that nobody seemed to push back on, and these points seemed to be even bigger because of that he had this was he turned the medical examiner, the prosecution's witness, into his It.
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Speaker 2: Did feel like, yes, at some points, the medical examiner was testifying on behalf of the defense. That is what it felt like, because Yeah, Tipton got the medical examiner to admit that he cannot make a definitive finding on the cause and manner of Anna Walsh's death as long as he doesn't have the body. So he's like, yeah, confirmed, jury, are you listening. The medical examiner is telling you that no matter what, the prosecution cannot tell you the cause or manner of Anna Walsh's death.
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Speaker 3: Period. That's a pretty big issue for the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a big issue because they know every single one of those jurors. They want a couple of things. They want a motive, and they don't want to know how she died. Everybody agrees she dead, but how does she die? That's a very important question. But Robes, he's sitting up this idea of the sudden, unexplained death. It is everybody agrees, it's so so so rare, so rare. So the medical examiner is sitting up there and Tipton, the defends attorney, is listing off all these ways somebody could possibly die unexpected unexpectedly. He reels off, what is this, robes, asphyxia, sexual activity, illness, somebody could even have sudden, unexplained death because of an extended trip, extended travel road dress. He asked this guy all these things, and the guy just said, Yep, that's an option, Yep, that could be true, Yep, that could happen too. He never said yeah, but it's really really rare.
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Speaker 2: He didn't qualify or quantify it at all. He just kept agreeing with Tipton that that was possible. Yes, that's possible, and he even said in young, otherwise healthy people, yes that could happen. And the fact the crazy thing is, then the prosecution didn't say, we'd like a redirect and have him explain just how unusual all of those specific rare occasions are. But when you have the defense attorney listing all of those rare occasions in a long list, it sounds like it happens all the time.
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Speaker 1: So I do not remember a moment he qualified it. So if you didn't know any better, and you're hearing about sudden and explained death. Oh, all it can happen because of that what you're hearing, you think are all the options. So I hear like, oh, there are ten possibilities for how she could have died from sudden with no qualifying yet happens in point zero zero, zero point one cases or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Right, And when that follows the medical examiner himself saying that he can't tell the jury how Anna Walsh died. Now, don't you have to consider all of this laundry list that the defense just laid out that the medical examiner agreed with. Don't you have to consider that as possible? And how does that play into reasonable doubt? It's all very effective, and it certainly was today listening to it, and.
00:06:46
Speaker 1: The actually the defense didn't didn't actually have that active of a day. The prosecution kept putting up a number of witnesses essentially just to get evidence into testimony who weren't evidence into the trial. These folks weren't necessarily folks that the defense had anything to refute. We had an employer of Ano Walsh testified, a Walgreens employee, a liquor store employee, a Low's employee. But in getting the some of this evidence in let's start with the Walgreens employee Robes, they showed surveillance video of him buying band aids and antibiotic cream. Then you go to the liquor store in Robes. This was the one where I think I might have tapped you and said, look at this.
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Speaker 2: You did, yeah, because we were you know, we're working, we're watching, and all of a sudden, you see pretty undeniably Brian Walsh walking with black trash bags and putting them in this dumpster. There was something so so eerie about that as well. To know what was inside those bags, or what was possibly inside those bags, it's just it's so unsettling to see it.
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Speaker 1: And we've been hearing about this very video for quite some time. But you see him plain as day, and they had the liquor store employee up there. They were trying to do is make clear that he had no other reason to be there, because this was on January one, it was closed. The no reason for him to be there.
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Speaker 3: The liquor store was closed on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 1: But they have a dumpster on site, and sure enough, he's in his car dumping this stuff. Now, the other person they got out there was an employee of Lows. He made a couple of stops at Lows. But in one of those stops, the one we were talking about robes, you can see him with the gloves. A couple of employees are helping him, so we are. He looks like he's doing a total home makeover. The baskets are full of stuff, and this is essentially his body removal kit.
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Speaker 2: That's what you actually said, Oh my gosh, just look what's in those baskets. It is a body removal kit of buckets and tarps and mops and just a lot of cleaning supplies. It was really disturbing to see it all in his shopping cars.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen or heard anyone explain why he had the mask on.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he had a medical issue he was trying to cover his face that night, But this was post This wasn't during those times.
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Speaker 3: I didn't hear anyone directly address it.
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Speaker 2: But I was thinking because then in later surveillance videos he doesn't have a mask of gloves on, but in that first one he did, and I was wondering if maybe, yes, he was worried about being caught, it had just happened. He didn't want anyone to know it was him, So I was thinking that might be the case. And then maybe he started to let his guard down. Maybe he thought his story was working, Maybe he thought he had it all figured out, and so he didn't feel as nervous about being seen in public, because yeah, he was pretty covered up, although he has such a very specific stature and look like you can tell one hundred percent that it was him. And the other thing that was interesting, it's the only time every person who was testified, Well, there was one today who said he was emotional when he was talking about Anna, when he was calling the work her work security guard. He said he was very emotional for a moment. But almost everyone who's just describe Brian in phone conversations, in police interviews, and even in the surveillance video we've seen, he seems cool, calm and collected as if well, you would never think something was wrong. You would never think his wife was missing, you would never think the love of his life is somehow gone. But in that first surveillance video in Low's where he has the mask and the rubber gloves on and it's within hours I guess of her dying. He was antsy. You said, Look, oh my gosh, it's the only time he looked physically nervous.
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Speaker 1: Even in court. We haven't seen him be anything but cool. I mean, he was shifting his weight back and forth on his feet. He seemed to be in a hurry. He wanted to get the hell out of there. It was the first time we've seen it, and we can imagine why at that point in by very early morning hours, this first video we're seeing the other they had a CBS employee up there. This is the video I mentioned this one. I think this is one robes that there's I don't think about this video. You see him as so plain as day, clear as day. Had these images of him when you know at least he admitted what he's been doing at home, right, You see this guy, like, what is going on? How is he able to keep it together.
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Speaker 3: Right and just act normal.
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Speaker 2: It's weird to see because you just think that there'd be something that would give you away because of what you had just been taking a part of the most gruesome, horrific thing you can imagine having to do, and the panic he must have felt to try and cover up what had happened, and ugh to think about just going out in the world and acting like you're just going and making a Walgreens run for some band aids for your kids. But actually there is a very different story unfolding at your home.
00:11:50
Speaker 1: Hi, right, folks, Well, there was a final witness of the day and again on cross examination, the defense was able to get him to admit something pretty major. Will explain what that was. Also, one of our dear legal friends will explain why she says the prosecution is absolutely blowing it. Stay here, we continue now, folks, Day six of the Brian Walsh trial. What's the latest again, Robe, They were the prosecution was ahead of schedule, right, I thought it was a two or three week trial. But right now they're certainly on or ahead of schedule.
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Speaker 2: Correct, they are ahead of schedule, according to the judge. When she wrapped up or was telling the jurors to enjoy their weekend, she did say it looks like the prosecution is slightly ahead of schedule. She had warned them there could be up to four four and a half weeks of testimony. She says she now thinks there will be just two more weeks of testimony, so she thinks a total of three, so she thinks it's been shortened by even as much as a week.
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Speaker 1: But skin close to Chris it.
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Speaker 2: It is well, no, at this point, if there are two more weeks of testimony, that means the jury would get this case the week of Christmas, which.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're willing to do that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they would say, hey, we'll reconvene January third, I don't know. That seems like a tall order to ask these jurors to remember everything, to go through Christmas and New Year's, to not talk about it with family members all they know that they're on this high profile case. That seems like such an unreasonable ask because obviously they would not sequester the jurors during this time, and that's just going to piss everybody off. So and I don't know, it really is going to be right at it's going to butt up directly to the holiday and think about you know, this isn't just about Christmas Day or Christmas Eve.
00:13:49
Speaker 3: These jurors have.
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Speaker 2: Kids and families who probably have Christmas pageants and specials and parties and events, and it's just it's a tough time of year to be on a jury.
00:14:00
Speaker 1: Also missing work many of them maybe, and missing out on money, missing out on check. I mean, you get paid for jury duty.
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Speaker 2: But it's oh, I don't even know what it is now, but what is it? Fifty dollars a day something?
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Speaker 1: It's not. Yes, it's not a living wage. We should say the last the State Crime Lab was the guy was up today again going through a lot of stuff that was found, putting evidence into UH and to the trial. But Robes the cross examinator examinator is what I call Lipton Tipton.
00:14:31
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Jeeseus's Larry Tipton. But it's easy to say.
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Speaker 1: Not Lipton. We should start calling him Lipton.
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Speaker 3: No, let's not because his name is Terry. No, Larry Tipton. Oh my gosh, you just got me to say.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get you to No.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you put it in my head. It's messed up and removing it to Larry Tipton.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: He is tipping the scales of justice.
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Speaker 3: How about that now you'll always remember?
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Speaker 1: Okay? But yeah, Tipton he's talking to the State Crime Lab guy and got him to admit something pretty significant after he went through all of this testimony with the prosecute. I found this, and I found this, he said, And he got him to admit he did not find anything forensically significant in that bedroom that suggested how she died, who killed her, if she was murdered, what meant? Nothing in there that actually helped prove any case. And he had to admit that, yes.
00:15:22
Speaker 2: And he also got him to admit that because police had been coming in and out of that home for days, that there was no way to be able to prove any of the blood stains that were found in the basement on the concrete. When did they get there, could someone else have brought them in? How do we know when those blood stains occurred? And whether or not the crime scene was just completely compromised because of the amount of traffic that was coming in and out of that home by police themselves. So he, once again Tipton did his job, and he did it very well. After hearing all of this, it actually it sounds awful to say the testimony about bloodstains can get boring, but after a while it's the same thing over and over and over and over again. And then all of a sudden, when Tipton, I said, wow, shift and energy. He comes in with the mission and he knows exactly what he's trying to disprove or at least bring into question, and he brought it home.
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Speaker 1: He makes you sit up and you wonder where he's going, what point he's making. And again, I know this isn't supposed to be the point, but every lawyer will tell you that theatrics it better. Of course it matters. So we're listening to a monotonous voice going through this and that nothing is compelling at least, yes, it has to be entered into evidence. I understand, but man, to your point, we almost Okay, time to gather around. We gotta really pay attention.
00:16:43
Speaker 2: Now because actually, yes, I have to make myself focus when the prosecution is up, when Tipton's up, I am.
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Speaker 3: I'm listening intently.
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Speaker 1: Again, this is not a criticism, just a reality of the experience that we're having watching this thing. So you can guess a lot of other people are too. In robes. We say the reality in our experience. We're not being critical of the prosecution, but we are talking to people who are someone who has become a dear deer resource for us here. Recently, Alison Treesel, an attorney with a lot of criminal defense experience. We were talking to her today, wrote she did not mince her words about just how shocked she is and how poor of a job the prosecution has been doing on several major points.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she talked about missed opportunities. Yes, missed opportunities just in emphasizing certain things that, yes, you want the jurors to pay attention. You want the Jewis to remember things like he searched for murder instead of just going he searched for murder.
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Speaker 3: There is a difference.
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Speaker 2: She was even noticing just the decision to be monotone and to not punch home certain words that you want the jurors to keep in their heads when they think about this case and associate with Brian Walsh.
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Speaker 3: But also just in.
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Speaker 2: Pointing out some of this evidence and really driving at home and then following up she said she would just let things go, and then when the defense made a point, she had an opportunity to redirect and just chose not to. She was aghast, and she said she was screaming at the monitor.
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Speaker 3: Like why would you not have followed up with that?
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Speaker 2: So's she was taking us point by point by point in discussing where the prosecution has repeatedly dropped the ball in her eyes and has basically handed huge wins over to the defense that she could have reclaimed had she followed through with a follow up.
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Speaker 1: Someone I forgot about that point about this not even strategy. It's almost so many of those searches were dramatic all their own. How do you make them boring? They went through like some of them are so outlandish that all you have make the point Like Jesus he said what he read like, that's all you have to do. That's not strategy, that's just that's not a great legal strategy. She said. It's just you're not talking to them. And I guess reacting as a human being the way we all are to what we're seeing, you're almost treating it like it's nothing and leaving it for them to interpret whether or not it's a big deal. When you don't act like it's a big deal.
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Speaker 2: I think Alison suggested, maybe she was treating it like it was a slam dunk when this case is not. Now if you want to listen to our whole interview with her, please you can check out on Amy and TJ presents our latest Our latest episode has our full interview with Alison Triesol.
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Speaker 3: You should check it out.
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Speaker 2: She is brilliant when it comes to interpreting what we're seeing in the courtroom. So it's really a fun episode. If you're really into this trial, highly suggest you check it out.
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Speaker 1: But you had something good?
00:19:42
Speaker 3: Oh no, please go ahead. No, I'm just wrapping it up.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I could talk to you about this off camera camera, I mean off mike.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, were you used to being on camera?
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Speaker 1: Off mic? Don't anybody take that and run with it?
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Speaker 2: Okay, just tolelease, don't no, no, we're hoping to get cameras in the podcast. Yes, will be broadcast podcast, all right, So we are going to obviously keep our eye on this trial. We will continue to bring you updates as they are warranted. But so far, every day there has been a lot to say, so thank you for listening everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December the eighth and day sixth of testimony and the Brian Walsh trial is now in the books. Evidence a lot of it was going over in court today, including some pretty remarkable, some pretty eerie videos of Brian Walsh not long after he says his wife died. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and Robes were talking about. Yes, this case. One big deal about the case is that he admitted to cutting up and disposing of his wife's body. These videos show him buying the tools.
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Speaker 2: It's you said, eerie, That's a really good way to put it. And when he is at Low's. I believe that was on January first, in the afternoon, so we are talking within hours of his wife dying. We see him with a mask and blue latex gloves purchasing all of the items that he used. And we can say this because he's admitted to it to chop up, dismember his wife's body. So yes, I was actually even watching the Low's employee unknowingly being a part of this where he's, like I said, can you imagine after the fact, now he's watching this surveillance video that's being played in quarter, or at least is aware of it. And he's holding and touching these items and selling them to this man who is going to use them for the most despicable, disgusting, unthinkable act. It's just the idea of it, just it all hits you when you watch the surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd heard about some of the video. We've been hearing about video that shows him throwing stuff in the dumpster. Well we saw that stuff today and then surveillance video. I guess one that's most head scratching in bizarre robes is that one of them, he is actually entering the store with a young child. They blur out the child's face. We have to assume it's one of his kids. But to think he made a run to the store on that day to continue buying cleaning items and the woman he just chopped up. He took that woman's child with him to the store to collect these ideas. That was again, the videos were the most fascinating part of the day.
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Speaker 2: I know, I looked at you and I said, can you even imagine that kid's going to know at some point in his life, Daddy took me to the store to get things to clean up my mom's body. It's it really it doesn't seem like anyone that we know or that we love, or even when we think about what we're capable of. Could you bring a child, the child of the mother you just or were about to dismember that I don't know why that takes it to a whole other level, but it just does.
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Speaker 1: All right. So that was certainly some of the highlights of the day. We'll give you more about those videos in a second, but the day started today. They continued with the examiner who was on last week at the end of the day on Friday, but the medical examiner was back up. Also. We talked about so much of the evidence and so much of these surveillance videos that we'll get to but ropes the medical examiner, and as to be expected when over a lot of the evidence and blood was found downstairs. We found some blood on the hack saw, we found blood on a night the piece of rug, all these things. That stuff is to be expected. They had to get all these things in evidence. But then the guy, now we've been kind of in awe of Larry Tipton, the defense attorney, He got up and started making points that nobody seemed to push back on, and these points seemed to be even bigger because of that he had this was he turned the medical examiner, the prosecution's witness, into his It.
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Speaker 2: Did feel like, yes, at some points, the medical examiner was testifying on behalf of the defense. That is what it felt like, because Yeah, Tipton got the medical examiner to admit that he cannot make a definitive finding on the cause and manner of Anna Walsh's death as long as he doesn't have the body. So he's like, yeah, confirmed, jury, are you listening. The medical examiner is telling you that no matter what, the prosecution cannot tell you the cause or manner of Anna Walsh's death.
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Speaker 3: Period. That's a pretty big issue for the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a big issue because they know every single one of those jurors. They want a couple of things. They want a motive, and they don't want to know how she died. Everybody agrees she dead, but how does she die? That's a very important question. But Robes, he's sitting up this idea of the sudden, unexplained death. It is everybody agrees, it's so so so rare, so rare. So the medical examiner is sitting up there and Tipton, the defends attorney, is listing off all these ways somebody could possibly die unexpected unexpectedly. He reels off, what is this, robes, asphyxia, sexual activity, illness, somebody could even have sudden, unexplained death because of an extended trip, extended travel road dress. He asked this guy all these things, and the guy just said, Yep, that's an option, Yep, that could be true, Yep, that could happen too. He never said yeah, but it's really really rare.
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Speaker 2: He didn't qualify or quantify it at all. He just kept agreeing with Tipton that that was possible. Yes, that's possible, and he even said in young, otherwise healthy people, yes that could happen. And the fact the crazy thing is, then the prosecution didn't say, we'd like a redirect and have him explain just how unusual all of those specific rare occasions are. But when you have the defense attorney listing all of those rare occasions in a long list, it sounds like it happens all the time.
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Speaker 1: So I do not remember a moment he qualified it. So if you didn't know any better, and you're hearing about sudden and explained death. Oh, all it can happen because of that what you're hearing, you think are all the options. So I hear like, oh, there are ten possibilities for how she could have died from sudden with no qualifying yet happens in point zero zero, zero point one cases or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Right, And when that follows the medical examiner himself saying that he can't tell the jury how Anna Walsh died. Now, don't you have to consider all of this laundry list that the defense just laid out that the medical examiner agreed with. Don't you have to consider that as possible? And how does that play into reasonable doubt? It's all very effective, and it certainly was today listening to it, and.
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Speaker 1: The actually the defense didn't didn't actually have that active of a day. The prosecution kept putting up a number of witnesses essentially just to get evidence into testimony who weren't evidence into the trial. These folks weren't necessarily folks that the defense had anything to refute. We had an employer of Ano Walsh testified, a Walgreens employee, a liquor store employee, a Low's employee. But in getting the some of this evidence in let's start with the Walgreens employee Robes, they showed surveillance video of him buying band aids and antibiotic cream. Then you go to the liquor store in Robes. This was the one where I think I might have tapped you and said, look at this.
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Speaker 2: You did, yeah, because we were you know, we're working, we're watching, and all of a sudden, you see pretty undeniably Brian Walsh walking with black trash bags and putting them in this dumpster. There was something so so eerie about that as well. To know what was inside those bags, or what was possibly inside those bags, it's just it's so unsettling to see it.
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Speaker 1: And we've been hearing about this very video for quite some time. But you see him plain as day, and they had the liquor store employee up there. They were trying to do is make clear that he had no other reason to be there, because this was on January one, it was closed. The no reason for him to be there.
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Speaker 3: The liquor store was closed on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 1: But they have a dumpster on site, and sure enough, he's in his car dumping this stuff. Now, the other person they got out there was an employee of Lows. He made a couple of stops at Lows. But in one of those stops, the one we were talking about robes, you can see him with the gloves. A couple of employees are helping him, so we are. He looks like he's doing a total home makeover. The baskets are full of stuff, and this is essentially his body removal kit.
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Speaker 2: That's what you actually said, Oh my gosh, just look what's in those baskets. It is a body removal kit of buckets and tarps and mops and just a lot of cleaning supplies. It was really disturbing to see it all in his shopping cars.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen or heard anyone explain why he had the mask on.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he had a medical issue he was trying to cover his face that night, But this was post This wasn't during those times.
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Speaker 3: I didn't hear anyone directly address it.
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Speaker 2: But I was thinking because then in later surveillance videos he doesn't have a mask of gloves on, but in that first one he did, and I was wondering if maybe, yes, he was worried about being caught, it had just happened. He didn't want anyone to know it was him, So I was thinking that might be the case. And then maybe he started to let his guard down. Maybe he thought his story was working, Maybe he thought he had it all figured out, and so he didn't feel as nervous about being seen in public, because yeah, he was pretty covered up, although he has such a very specific stature and look like you can tell one hundred percent that it was him. And the other thing that was interesting, it's the only time every person who was testified, Well, there was one today who said he was emotional when he was talking about Anna, when he was calling the work her work security guard. He said he was very emotional for a moment. But almost everyone who's just describe Brian in phone conversations, in police interviews, and even in the surveillance video we've seen, he seems cool, calm and collected as if well, you would never think something was wrong. You would never think his wife was missing, you would never think the love of his life is somehow gone. But in that first surveillance video in Low's where he has the mask and the rubber gloves on and it's within hours I guess of her dying. He was antsy. You said, Look, oh my gosh, it's the only time he looked physically nervous.
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Speaker 1: Even in court. We haven't seen him be anything but cool. I mean, he was shifting his weight back and forth on his feet. He seemed to be in a hurry. He wanted to get the hell out of there. It was the first time we've seen it, and we can imagine why at that point in by very early morning hours, this first video we're seeing the other they had a CBS employee up there. This is the video I mentioned this one. I think this is one robes that there's I don't think about this video. You see him as so plain as day, clear as day. Had these images of him when you know at least he admitted what he's been doing at home, right, You see this guy, like, what is going on? How is he able to keep it together.
00:11:17
Speaker 3: Right and just act normal.
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Speaker 2: It's weird to see because you just think that there'd be something that would give you away because of what you had just been taking a part of the most gruesome, horrific thing you can imagine having to do, and the panic he must have felt to try and cover up what had happened, and ugh to think about just going out in the world and acting like you're just going and making a Walgreens run for some band aids for your kids. But actually there is a very different story unfolding at your home.
00:11:50
Speaker 1: Hi, right, folks, Well, there was a final witness of the day and again on cross examination, the defense was able to get him to admit something pretty major. Will explain what that was. Also, one of our dear legal friends will explain why she says the prosecution is absolutely blowing it. Stay here, we continue now, folks, Day six of the Brian Walsh trial. What's the latest again, Robe, They were the prosecution was ahead of schedule, right, I thought it was a two or three week trial. But right now they're certainly on or ahead of schedule.
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Speaker 2: Correct, they are ahead of schedule, according to the judge. When she wrapped up or was telling the jurors to enjoy their weekend, she did say it looks like the prosecution is slightly ahead of schedule. She had warned them there could be up to four four and a half weeks of testimony. She says she now thinks there will be just two more weeks of testimony, so she thinks a total of three, so she thinks it's been shortened by even as much as a week.
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Speaker 1: But skin close to Chris it.
00:13:00
Speaker 2: It is well, no, at this point, if there are two more weeks of testimony, that means the jury would get this case the week of Christmas, which.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're willing to do that.
00:13:11
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would say, hey, we'll reconvene January third, I don't know. That seems like a tall order to ask these jurors to remember everything, to go through Christmas and New Year's, to not talk about it with family members all they know that they're on this high profile case. That seems like such an unreasonable ask because obviously they would not sequester the jurors during this time, and that's just going to piss everybody off. So and I don't know, it really is going to be right at it's going to butt up directly to the holiday and think about you know, this isn't just about Christmas Day or Christmas Eve.
00:13:49
Speaker 3: These jurors have.
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Speaker 2: Kids and families who probably have Christmas pageants and specials and parties and events, and it's just it's a tough time of year to be on a jury.
00:14:00
Speaker 1: Also missing work many of them maybe, and missing out on money, missing out on check. I mean, you get paid for jury duty.
00:14:07
Speaker 2: But it's oh, I don't even know what it is now, but what is it? Fifty dollars a day something?
00:14:11
Speaker 1: It's not. Yes, it's not a living wage. We should say the last the State Crime Lab was the guy was up today again going through a lot of stuff that was found, putting evidence into UH and to the trial. But Robes the cross examinator examinator is what I call Lipton Tipton.
00:14:31
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Jeeseus's Larry Tipton. But it's easy to say.
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Speaker 1: Not Lipton. We should start calling him Lipton.
00:14:36
Speaker 3: No, let's not because his name is Terry. No, Larry Tipton. Oh my gosh, you just got me to say.
00:14:42
Speaker 1: I didn't get you to No.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you put it in my head. It's messed up and removing it to Larry Tipton.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: He is tipping the scales of justice.
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Speaker 3: How about that now you'll always remember?
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Speaker 1: Okay? But yeah, Tipton he's talking to the State Crime Lab guy and got him to admit something pretty significant after he went through all of this testimony with the prosecute. I found this, and I found this, he said, And he got him to admit he did not find anything forensically significant in that bedroom that suggested how she died, who killed her, if she was murdered, what meant? Nothing in there that actually helped prove any case. And he had to admit that, yes.
00:15:22
Speaker 2: And he also got him to admit that because police had been coming in and out of that home for days, that there was no way to be able to prove any of the blood stains that were found in the basement on the concrete. When did they get there, could someone else have brought them in? How do we know when those blood stains occurred? And whether or not the crime scene was just completely compromised because of the amount of traffic that was coming in and out of that home by police themselves. So he, once again Tipton did his job, and he did it very well. After hearing all of this, it actually it sounds awful to say the testimony about bloodstains can get boring, but after a while it's the same thing over and over and over and over again. And then all of a sudden, when Tipton, I said, wow, shift and energy. He comes in with the mission and he knows exactly what he's trying to disprove or at least bring into question, and he brought it home.
00:16:18
Speaker 1: He makes you sit up and you wonder where he's going, what point he's making. And again, I know this isn't supposed to be the point, but every lawyer will tell you that theatrics it better. Of course it matters. So we're listening to a monotonous voice going through this and that nothing is compelling at least, yes, it has to be entered into evidence. I understand, but man, to your point, we almost Okay, time to gather around. We gotta really pay attention.
00:16:43
Speaker 2: Now because actually, yes, I have to make myself focus when the prosecution is up, when Tipton's up, I am.
00:16:50
Speaker 3: I'm listening intently.
00:16:52
Speaker 1: Again, this is not a criticism, just a reality of the experience that we're having watching this thing. So you can guess a lot of other people are too. In robes. We say the reality in our experience. We're not being critical of the prosecution, but we are talking to people who are someone who has become a dear deer resource for us here. Recently, Alison Treesel, an attorney with a lot of criminal defense experience. We were talking to her today, wrote she did not mince her words about just how shocked she is and how poor of a job the prosecution has been doing on several major points.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she talked about missed opportunities. Yes, missed opportunities just in emphasizing certain things that, yes, you want the jurors to pay attention. You want the Jewis to remember things like he searched for murder instead of just going he searched for murder.
00:17:44
Speaker 3: There is a difference.
00:17:45
Speaker 2: She was even noticing just the decision to be monotone and to not punch home certain words that you want the jurors to keep in their heads when they think about this case and associate with Brian Walsh.
00:17:57
Speaker 3: But also just in.
00:18:00
Speaker 2: Pointing out some of this evidence and really driving at home and then following up she said she would just let things go, and then when the defense made a point, she had an opportunity to redirect and just chose not to. She was aghast, and she said she was screaming at the monitor.
00:18:18
Speaker 3: Like why would you not have followed up with that?
00:18:20
Speaker 2: So's she was taking us point by point by point in discussing where the prosecution has repeatedly dropped the ball in her eyes and has basically handed huge wins over to the defense that she could have reclaimed had she followed through with a follow up.
00:18:35
Speaker 1: Someone I forgot about that point about this not even strategy. It's almost so many of those searches were dramatic all their own. How do you make them boring? They went through like some of them are so outlandish that all you have make the point Like Jesus he said what he read like, that's all you have to do. That's not strategy, that's just that's not a great legal strategy. She said. It's just you're not talking to them. And I guess reacting as a human being the way we all are to what we're seeing, you're almost treating it like it's nothing and leaving it for them to interpret whether or not it's a big deal. When you don't act like it's a big deal.
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Speaker 2: I think Alison suggested, maybe she was treating it like it was a slam dunk when this case is not. Now if you want to listen to our whole interview with her, please you can check out on Amy and TJ presents our latest Our latest episode has our full interview with Alison Triesol.
00:19:32
Speaker 3: You should check it out.
00:19:33
Speaker 2: She is brilliant when it comes to interpreting what we're seeing in the courtroom. So it's really a fun episode. If you're really into this trial, highly suggest you check it out.
00:19:40
Speaker 1: But you had something good?
00:19:42
Speaker 3: Oh no, please go ahead. No, I'm just wrapping it up.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I could talk to you about this off camera camera, I mean off mike.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, were you used to being on camera?
00:19:52
Speaker 1: Off mic? Don't anybody take that and run with it?
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Speaker 2: Okay, just tolelease, don't no, no, we're hoping to get cameras in the podcast. Yes, will be broadcast podcast, all right, So we are going to obviously keep our eye on this trial. We will continue to bring you updates as they are warranted. But so far, every day there has been a lot to say, so thank you for listening everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.