Dec. 2, 2025
The Brian Walshe Trial: “Can Baking Soda Make A Dead Body Smell Good?”
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RSS Feed Day 2 of the Brian Walshe trial revealed more shocking and damning searches made from the devices in Walshe’s home in the hours and days after his wife’s disappearance. Investigators read aloud the searches that ranged from “cleaning up blood without leaving a trace” to “can you be charged with murder without a body?” Walshe’s attorneys did their best to explain his specific, macabre searches, but for now, Walshe’s defense appears to be an uphill battle.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. It is Tuesday, December second, and the second day of the Brian Walsh trial has concluded. And just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches this man has put together. They have this searches he made. He pieces together the murder for us almost.
00:00:33
Speaker 2: I never thought that I would say this about a murder trial where there is no body, no actual evidence of how someone died, that I could think on day two, I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: You said that earlier. And look, we're trying to give this this defense attorney as much credit as we can for what he's got to work with. But man, we got a better idea even of how little he has to work with. We've seen some of these and again, folks, we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of but says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that he just found her this way. But Robes sent her to this story from the very beginning of these internet searches, and I don't know how you get around this stuff.
00:01:35
Speaker 2: It was it's almost surreal what and how specific he got in these searches in Google, where it was almost as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about where his head was in the process of covering up a murder. And I say a murder because he used that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable how often and how specific he got in these searches. And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just continue to blow your mind.
00:02:21
Speaker 1: And some of these we've never heard, they haven't been out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after jaw dropping moment. This was State Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand. He's the one who went through all the computers, all the iPads, all the iPhones, so he was up on direct examination and ropes. This thing went on for a while where this very monotone of prosecutor is asking, very straightforward, look at exhibit number do da da da? What is its title? The guy would read it, give the time, then they move on. So it was boom boom boom, and you had to listen closely rolled because neither of their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they were discussing.
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Speaker 2: So it's so funny you say that, because I actually, you know, we're working here and also watching the trial. I actually got bored because of the way each of them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice, there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention, which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable. But if they I hate to say this, but they found a way to make the most jaw dropping text messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be. Like it was kind of they they they did the searches of disservice in terms of what they could have done with that as a juror. You know, I know, yes, these are crazy things you're hearing, But when someone speaks in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if they tell you that the world is ending and you're about to die, you still kind of are bored and nodding off. You know you need so they weren't punching it the way you would think.
00:04:01
Speaker 1: They weren't there to perform, and that's fine. This is not who they are.
00:04:05
Speaker 2: Sorry, I pamajuror. I'm gonna need a little something.
00:04:07
Speaker 1: From you, and every attorney will tell you that is the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping, so we're gonna go through. There were more than the ones we're going to read, but these were the most significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole lot of explanation. So a reminder here This was New Year's Eve of twenty twenty two going into twenty three January one is when he partied that night with his wife. He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no idea why now this are the Google and whatnot searches road starting that night from when that happened. Hours later, he's on the internet searching for all of these things.
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Speaker 2: So they begin at four fifty two, and they pretty much let's just TikTok from there. The first one, ten ways to dispose of a body if you really need to? Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell? About a thirty minutes later? How long for somebody to be missing? For inheritance?
00:05:18
Speaker 1: It's a little quick for that one.
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Speaker 2: That was that was his third Google search right now.
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Speaker 1: That one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given some thought. It couldn't have been his first time thinking about.
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Speaker 2: It without a doubt. And so then a few hours later you get is it possible to clean DNA off a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon? That is the common sense inference from that one, all right? A few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone? Same actually minute, how to dispose of a computer? About an hour later, about half an hour later, she is missing? Can I still use the card? Then? My wife is missing? What should I do?
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Speaker 1: It's a bizarre one, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Call nine one?
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Speaker 1: Is that a weird one.
00:06:07
Speaker 2: Yes, is he trying to google what a normal nice would do if their wife was missing, so he could try to mimic the actions of a normal person.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now here at about ten forty in the morning, things get interesting, don't they. Robes ten thirty nine, he searches, your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now, the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one. Yes. Now keep in mind, folks, they do not They have never found this woman's body, and prosecutors have never gotten to examine a body, so there is no cause of death. They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever heard of how she might have died. There is a knife involved. And then this next one robes at eleven twenty eight best way to dispose of body parts after a murder.
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Speaker 2: That's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from the defense trying to explain, so we can get into that in just a bit. But the next this is unbelievable to me. The next search six ways to dispose of a body murder, murder, murder? What was that about?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But after that, and this is interesting, So what after that? But before the next one, About ten minutes later, he searches Patrick Kerney. Now I'd never heard that name. We all had to google him. But he is one of the most prolific serial killers this country has ever known. And he what he confessed to I think thirty five murders, but he went to trial and ended up convicted for twenty one of those murders murdered young men because he was gay, California preyed on him and then he would chop them up and throw them away in trash bags.
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Speaker 2: And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name of a serial killer. Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial killer name was the trash bag killer. That's pretty damn it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain it as as a defense attorney at all. The next one eleven cleaning up a dead body? After that, how to clean blood from a wood floor? After that? Can I use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains? After that? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night?
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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes. Right after that, we're still just past noon, folks, just past noon, And he searches, want to get away with murder? Use special detergent again, the murder word being used again. So it wasn't like once, this is now the third time. I believe this is some.
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Speaker 1: Article he had looked up about the special detergent.
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Speaker 2: Okay, is it better to throw away crime scene clothes or clean them? Crime scene clothes? Twelve forty four? How to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains? Four minutes later, how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he thought he was going to get a better result. And finally, a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains on concrete?
00:09:38
Speaker 1: Okay? That's again he's giving us all these knife in.
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Speaker 2: The basement, right, I mean, that's what it would seem.
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Speaker 1: He's telling us what happened one forty three? What this is what he searches? Can the FBI tell when you access your phone?
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Speaker 2: Oh the irony, isn't that crazy?
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Speaker 1: Next one one fifty two does the dishwasher clean blood? And then this one wrote and this was long and specific. That is the text of it. If you see it there, it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this search in there. Is it possible that a knife which had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's been washed with hot water and dish washer soap.
00:10:22
Speaker 2: So my mind, the only thing I could think of was that he did know that his wife was having an affair, and he was concerned that maybe she could have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, and in killing her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he was worried about getting HIV.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: It's a lot of maybes for that's a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of that is a no sense, wild and strange and specific search. Then at two am, he searches how to remove a SIM card from an iPhone, the next minute how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop. And then he asks the following morning at ten thirty how long do stores keep security footage? And then at twelve twenty seven he starts asking very specifically, how to saw a body.
00:11:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the same minute he asks that another search how to dismember a body. Soon after that hack saw the best tool for dismembering a body soon after that, details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial after that, can you be charged with murder without a body after that? Murder conviction without a body? Dash Wikipedia. This does not sound like a man who just was involved in an accident with his wife.
00:11:45
Speaker 2: Who was worried about his three sons. That is what his defense is that we learned about, at least in opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect these to be the searches from a man who was trying, who freaked out panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder, about knives, about blood. That makes no sense.
00:12:10
Speaker 1: And a reminder, folks, as you listen to these, his story is that he came upstairs and she was dead. He shook her so violently trying to wake her up, that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't said anything in his story that would suggest this type of violence and blood necessarily right.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: And he said he was he didn't think anyone would believe he didn't have anything to do with her death, and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too. So this is what he is saying. But let's just continue with these searches at one twelve pm. Can you identify a body with broken teeth? One fourteen? Disposing of a body in the trash two fifty one? What powder masks smells the best? Can I mix White's vinegar to stop smells?
00:12:59
Speaker 1: He continues, the day January third, Now again the wife hasn't been seen since January one, January third, One fifteen in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body smell good? Five o'clock in the morning cleaning up blood without leaving a trace? Five tips? Six fifty five? Are footprints easy to wash away? One o'clock in the afternoon the same day, how long for a dismembered body to decompose? After that body found at trash station? And after that? Can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then another question here, can police get your search history without a computer?
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Speaker 2: It turns out the answer to that is yes.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Roach, we don't know what happened to her, but he just told the story. Now the only thing we're missing is does something happen just in the heat of the moment? But he is explaining almost the crime to us. I don't know how you get around that.
00:14:00
Speaker 2: As a juror listening to that, I don't know how you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't know how you defend yourself.
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Speaker 1: Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense, and we got an idea of what it was. Yes, stay here, folks, after the break, we will tell you what the defense attorney said about these searches and why the word murder might have been in there. We continue now, folks, day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial. And day two already Rose, you're the one said it a couple of times earlier. I've never seen the trial where I just thought they could the prosecution you can rest right now, you.
00:14:51
Speaker 2: Wrap it up right now, and the jury, I would feel pretty confidently now I get it. The defense has not been able to put up their defense. But just from what I heard, I cannot imagine what would change my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife.
00:15:06
Speaker 1: Again, that's why we have to have a trial, right, we have to hear both sides of what the street explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to be tough to get around. Now. A couple of we mentioned knife blood, concrete. These are some of the things we were hearing from the first time are broken teeth. All of these suggest that something violent took place, but the one that certainly jumped out of people. And he said, can you dispose of a body? Or how to after a murder?
00:15:35
Speaker 2: Correct?
00:15:35
Speaker 1: He type that in not just how to dispose of a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder?
00:15:42
Speaker 2: Isn't that so interesting?
00:15:44
Speaker 1: So what mindset could he have been in short of being a murderer? Well? What did you make of the response from his attorney day?
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Speaker 2: He was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting the kind of searches that are the kind of results he wanted. That it was too generic, that he could have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something that wasn't what he was interested in. So he needed to get really specific. And so by saying murder, wow, it would make it make more sense that he wanted to figure out how to get rid of a dead body.
00:16:18
Speaker 1: Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now do you buy that I am not creative enough that I could have come up with that? But once I heard it, and haven't you done a search before? If it's one thing. Put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food near me makes a difference. You add things sometimes to make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give tip.
00:16:45
Speaker 2: I'll give tipt In Larry Tipton a little bit of a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that I'm buying it. I mean I see where he was going, and I see where his logic was, and that probably was the best way he could would have explained why you would say murder. He could have said dead body. He could have you know, there was nothing about accidental death. You know, my opinion would be if that did in fact happen the way he said it did, he walked up his wife is accidentally dead, I would be googling things like how could a woman die unexplained on her own in a bed like you know, if I was actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to let police know, I'd be checking to see how my wife might have died first before I'd be trying to figure out how to dismember her body. My god, see, I just think. Look, the judge said this yesterday when he first spoke to jurors that this was going to require common sense, and that is where the defense has a problem.
00:17:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of you think you can't find twelve people with common sense on a day to day basis. We have to give. We have to think that these are pretty average if you will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right in front of them.
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Speaker 2: Correct exactly. And look, there was a lot said as well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife. And I know this is obviously them setting up or trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case. But I did think that Tipton had a good point trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator.
00:18:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, about the search he wasn't necessarily just searching for cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that actually trip the officer off, I thought.
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Speaker 2: And also saying some of the searches, he said, did you know, because they're implying that the whole motive is that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and was going to leave him, and that's why some of the divorce searches came up and look tipped into his best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would get what just sales, and it wasn't that they had anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets. And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether.
00:19:23
Speaker 3: Or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced. He he doesn't have a lot to work with, He doesn't have a lot time. It's almost you feel bad for him as you're watching him, because you know he's trying and we know what he's up against. And look, we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. She said, yeah, this is a you take it. He has nothing to work with him.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: He's called it. She called it a poop sandwich of a case or something to something to that degree. But certainly that is the case. And yet you know, this is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money. They get they get creative, they find a way to defend these seemingly undefendable or indefen Yeah, undefendable and that might be I know, is it indefensible or undefendable?
00:20:06
Speaker 1: Okay, some of you know it's indefensible.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will continue to cover this trial and they broke up, broke off a little early today, but they will be picking back up tomorrow at nine am and we will be watching, so stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening everyone, I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. It is Tuesday, December second, and the second day of the Brian Walsh trial has concluded. And just on day two, folks, be honest with you, I don't know how the hell this guy is not guilty. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. These messages, these searches, these searches, these searches this man has put together. They have this searches he made. He pieces together the murder for us almost.
00:00:33
Speaker 2: I never thought that I would say this about a murder trial where there is no body, no actual evidence of how someone died, that I could think on day two, I would say the prosecution probably could rest its case.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: You said that earlier. And look, we're trying to give this this defense attorney as much credit as we can for what he's got to work with. But man, we got a better idea even of how little he has to work with. We've seen some of these and again, folks, we're talking about Brian Walsh, Massachusetts man accused of killing and dismembering and disposing of his wife's body. He's admitted to pled guilty to the dismemberment and disposing of but says he didn't kill her. So he's on trial now for first degree murder and he's trying to explain that he just found her this way. But Robes sent her to this story from the very beginning of these internet searches, and I don't know how you get around this stuff.
00:01:35
Speaker 2: It was it's almost surreal what and how specific he got in these searches in Google, where it was almost as if he was laying out a perfect timeline about where his head was in the process of covering up a murder. And I say a murder because he used that word in these Google searches. But it was remarkable how often and how specific he got in these searches. And we definitely got some of them yesterday because the prosecution used some of the most damning searches in their opening statements. But today we had the detective, the investigator actually read through dozens and dozens more searches that just continue to blow your mind.
00:02:21
Speaker 1: And some of these we've never heard, they haven't been out publicly at all. So this was jaw dropping after jaw dropping moment. This was State Trooper Nicholas Guarino. He was the second witness of the trial. He took the stand. He's the one who went through all the computers, all the iPads, all the iPhones, so he was up on direct examination and ropes. This thing went on for a while where this very monotone of prosecutor is asking, very straightforward, look at exhibit number do da da da? What is its title? The guy would read it, give the time, then they move on. So it was boom boom boom, and you had to listen closely rolled because neither of their tones reflected the jaw dropping nature of what they were discussing.
00:03:07
Speaker 2: So it's so funny you say that, because I actually, you know, we're working here and also watching the trial. I actually got bored because of the way each of them were speaking. There was no theatrics to their voice, there was no presentation. They weren't trying to get your attention, which was so interesting because what they were reading was unbelievable. But if they I hate to say this, but they found a way to make the most jaw dropping text messages or searches seem as boring as they could all be. Like it was kind of they they they did the searches of disservice in terms of what they could have done with that as a juror. You know, I know, yes, these are crazy things you're hearing, But when someone speaks in a monotone voice like this, it doesn't matter if they tell you that the world is ending and you're about to die, you still kind of are bored and nodding off. You know you need so they weren't punching it the way you would think.
00:04:01
Speaker 1: They weren't there to perform, and that's fine. This is not who they are.
00:04:05
Speaker 2: Sorry, I pamajuror. I'm gonna need a little something.
00:04:07
Speaker 1: From you, and every attorney will tell you that is the case to your point. But these are jaw dropping, so we're gonna go through. There were more than the ones we're going to read, but these were the most significant ones to pluck out that don't need a whole lot of explanation. So a reminder here This was New Year's Eve of twenty twenty two going into twenty three January one is when he partied that night with his wife. He said they went upstairs, he came down to clean the kitchen, goes back up and she's dead. Has no idea why now this are the Google and whatnot searches road starting that night from when that happened. Hours later, he's on the internet searching for all of these things.
00:04:56
Speaker 2: So they begin at four fifty two, and they pretty much let's just TikTok from there. The first one, ten ways to dispose of a body if you really need to? Three minutes later, how long before a body starts to smell? About a thirty minutes later? How long for somebody to be missing? For inheritance?
00:05:18
Speaker 1: It's a little quick for that one.
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Speaker 2: That was that was his third Google search right now.
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Speaker 1: That one almost suggests some premeditation, like he had given some thought. It couldn't have been his first time thinking about.
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Speaker 2: It without a doubt. And so then a few hours later you get is it possible to clean DNA off a knife? Basically, hello, here is the murder weapon? That is the common sense inference from that one, all right? A few minutes later, how to dispose of a cell phone? Same actually minute, how to dispose of a computer? About an hour later, about half an hour later, she is missing? Can I still use the card? Then? My wife is missing? What should I do?
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Speaker 1: It's a bizarre one, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Call nine one?
00:06:06
Speaker 1: Is that a weird one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, is he trying to google what a normal nice would do if their wife was missing, so he could try to mimic the actions of a normal person.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now here at about ten forty in the morning, things get interesting, don't they. Robes ten thirty nine, he searches, your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. Now, the one that maybe most damning robes is this next one. Yes. Now keep in mind, folks, they do not They have never found this woman's body, and prosecutors have never gotten to examine a body, so there is no cause of death. They don't know how this woman actually died, no matter how much they speculate. So we heard an earlier search that mentioned a knife. That's the first suggestion we've ever heard of how she might have died. There is a knife involved. And then this next one robes at eleven twenty eight best way to dispose of body parts after a murder.
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Speaker 2: That's hard to explain. Now, we did hear something from the defense trying to explain, so we can get into that in just a bit. But the next this is unbelievable to me. The next search six ways to dispose of a body murder, murder, murder? What was that about?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But after that, and this is interesting, So what after that? But before the next one, About ten minutes later, he searches Patrick Kerney. Now I'd never heard that name. We all had to google him. But he is one of the most prolific serial killers this country has ever known. And he what he confessed to I think thirty five murders, but he went to trial and ended up convicted for twenty one of those murders murdered young men because he was gay, California preyed on him and then he would chop them up and throw them away in trash bags.
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Speaker 2: And so why would Brian Walsh be googling the name of a serial killer. Well, turns out Patrick Kearney's serial killer name was the trash bag killer. That's pretty damn it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I don't know how you explain it as as a defense attorney at all. The next one eleven cleaning up a dead body? After that, how to clean blood from a wood floor? After that? Can I use bleach to clean my wood floors from blood stains? After that? What does bleach do to dead bodies? Good night?
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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like somebody who died of natural causes. Right after that, we're still just past noon, folks, just past noon, And he searches, want to get away with murder? Use special detergent again, the murder word being used again. So it wasn't like once, this is now the third time. I believe this is some.
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Speaker 1: Article he had looked up about the special detergent.
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Speaker 2: Okay, is it better to throw away crime scene clothes or clean them? Crime scene clothes? Twelve forty four? How to use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains? Four minutes later, how to clean blood stains with hydrogen peroxide because he thought he was going to get a better result. And finally, a few minutes later, should I use hydrogen peroxide on blood stains on concrete?
00:09:38
Speaker 1: Okay? That's again he's giving us all these knife in.
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Speaker 2: The basement, right, I mean, that's what it would seem.
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Speaker 1: He's telling us what happened one forty three? What this is what he searches? Can the FBI tell when you access your phone?
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Speaker 2: Oh the irony, isn't that crazy?
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Speaker 1: Next one one fifty two does the dishwasher clean blood? And then this one wrote and this was long and specific. That is the text of it. If you see it there, it looks like a paragraph. Yes, but he has this search in there. Is it possible that a knife which had blood on it remains contaminated with HIV once it's been washed with hot water and dish washer soap.
00:10:22
Speaker 2: So my mind, the only thing I could think of was that he did know that his wife was having an affair, and he was concerned that maybe she could have picked up a sexually transmitted disease, and in killing her with a knife and having blood everywhere, maybe he was worried about getting HIV.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: It's a lot of maybes for that's a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of that is a no sense, wild and strange and specific search. Then at two am, he searches how to remove a SIM card from an iPhone, the next minute how to remove a hard drive from an Apple laptop. And then he asks the following morning at ten thirty how long do stores keep security footage? And then at twelve twenty seven he starts asking very specifically, how to saw a body.
00:11:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the same minute he asks that another search how to dismember a body. Soon after that hack saw the best tool for dismembering a body soon after that, details of dismemberment discussed in a murder trial after that, can you be charged with murder without a body after that? Murder conviction without a body? Dash Wikipedia. This does not sound like a man who just was involved in an accident with his wife.
00:11:45
Speaker 2: Who was worried about his three sons. That is what his defense is that we learned about, at least in opening statements yesterday. These are not or you wouldn't expect these to be the searches from a man who was trying, who freaked out panicked. He wouldn't be writing about murder, about knives, about blood. That makes no sense.
00:12:10
Speaker 1: And a reminder, folks, as you listen to these, his story is that he came upstairs and she was dead. He shook her so violently trying to wake her up, that her body fell off the bed. Now, he hasn't said anything in his story that would suggest this type of violence and blood necessarily right.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: And he said he was he didn't think anyone would believe he didn't have anything to do with her death, and he didn't want his sons to lose their father too. So this is what he is saying. But let's just continue with these searches at one twelve pm. Can you identify a body with broken teeth? One fourteen? Disposing of a body in the trash two fifty one? What powder masks smells the best? Can I mix White's vinegar to stop smells?
00:12:59
Speaker 1: He continues, the day January third, Now again the wife hasn't been seen since January one, January third, One fifteen in the morning. Can baking soda make a dead body smell good? Five o'clock in the morning cleaning up blood without leaving a trace? Five tips? Six fifty five? Are footprints easy to wash away? One o'clock in the afternoon the same day, how long for a dismembered body to decompose? After that body found at trash station? And after that? Can a body decompose in a plastic bag? And then another question here, can police get your search history without a computer?
00:13:37
Speaker 2: It turns out the answer to that is yes.
00:13:41
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Roach, we don't know what happened to her, but he just told the story. Now the only thing we're missing is does something happen just in the heat of the moment? But he is explaining almost the crime to us. I don't know how you get around that.
00:14:00
Speaker 2: As a juror listening to that, I don't know how you explain away all of those specific searches. I don't know how you defend yourself.
00:14:11
Speaker 1: Well, believe it or not, they do have a defense, and we got an idea of what it was. Yes, stay here, folks, after the break, we will tell you what the defense attorney said about these searches and why the word murder might have been in there. We continue now, folks, day two of the Brian Walsh murder trial. And day two already Rose, you're the one said it a couple of times earlier. I've never seen the trial where I just thought they could the prosecution you can rest right now, you.
00:14:51
Speaker 2: Wrap it up right now, and the jury, I would feel pretty confidently now I get it. The defense has not been able to put up their defense. But just from what I heard, I cannot imagine what would change my mind into thinking that this man clearly killed his wife.
00:15:06
Speaker 1: Again, that's why we have to have a trial, right, we have to hear both sides of what the street explanation may be. But my goodness, today is going to be tough to get around. Now. A couple of we mentioned knife blood, concrete. These are some of the things we were hearing from the first time are broken teeth. All of these suggest that something violent took place, but the one that certainly jumped out of people. And he said, can you dispose of a body? Or how to after a murder?
00:15:35
Speaker 2: Correct?
00:15:35
Speaker 1: He type that in not just how to dispose of a body, but how to dispose of one after a murder?
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Speaker 2: Isn't that so interesting?
00:15:44
Speaker 1: So what mindset could he have been in short of being a murderer? Well? What did you make of the response from his attorney day?
00:15:54
Speaker 2: He was trying to say that maybe he wasn't getting the kind of searches that are the kind of results he wanted. That it was too generic, that he could have gotten advertisements for cemetery plots or something that wasn't what he was interested in. So he needed to get really specific. And so by saying murder, wow, it would make it make more sense that he wanted to figure out how to get rid of a dead body.
00:16:18
Speaker 1: Seriously, folks, that is what he said. Now do you buy that I am not creative enough that I could have come up with that? But once I heard it, and haven't you done a search before? If it's one thing. Put in Chinese food or you put in Chinese food near me makes a difference. You add things sometimes to make it more specific. That is somewhere within some realm of being reasonable. I'll give, yes, give tip.
00:16:45
Speaker 2: I'll give tipt In Larry Tipton a little bit of a slow clap for that. But it doesn't mean that I'm buying it. I mean I see where he was going, and I see where his logic was, and that probably was the best way he could would have explained why you would say murder. He could have said dead body. He could have you know, there was nothing about accidental death. You know, my opinion would be if that did in fact happen the way he said it did, he walked up his wife is accidentally dead, I would be googling things like how could a woman die unexplained on her own in a bed like you know, if I was actually thinking about covering it up and being afraid to let police know, I'd be checking to see how my wife might have died first before I'd be trying to figure out how to dismember her body. My god, see, I just think. Look, the judge said this yesterday when he first spoke to jurors that this was going to require common sense, and that is where the defense has a problem.
00:17:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, as much as we have challenges in our day to day lives, I'm sure many of you think you can't find twelve people with common sense on a day to day basis. We have to give. We have to think that these are pretty average if you will intelligence correct citizens who can see what's right in front of them.
00:18:08
Speaker 2: Correct exactly. And look, there was a lot said as well today about Brian Walsh going on porn sites and possibly even enjoying a particular movie that involved a cheating wife. And I know this is obviously them setting up or trying to lay the foundation for a motive in this case. But I did think that Tipton had a good point trying to address that when he cross examined the investigator.
00:18:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, about the search he wasn't necessarily just searching for cheating wife. He had a way of explaining it that actually trip the officer off, I thought.
00:18:48
Speaker 2: And also saying some of the searches, he said, did you know, because they're implying that the whole motive is that Walsh must have known his wife was cheating and was going to leave him, and that's why some of the divorce searches came up and look tipped into his best at explaining that, saying, look, they were looking to sell their home. Maybe he was looking up who would get what just sales, and it wasn't that they had anything wrong with their marriage. They were just moving assets. And so sometimes you're just looking at laws and it doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to figure out whether.
00:19:23
Speaker 3: Or not you would have an advantage in getting divorced. He he doesn't have a lot to work with, He doesn't have a lot time. It's almost you feel bad for him as you're watching him, because you know he's trying and we know what he's up against. And look, we talked to a defense attorney earlier today. She said, yeah, this is a you take it. He has nothing to work with him.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: He's called it. She called it a poop sandwich of a case or something to something to that degree. But certainly that is the case. And yet you know, this is the sort of case where defense attorneys earn their money. They get they get creative, they find a way to defend these seemingly undefendable or indefen Yeah, undefendable and that might be I know, is it indefensible or undefendable?
00:20:06
Speaker 1: Okay, some of you know it's indefensible.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: But anyway, this has been fascinating to watch. We will continue to cover this trial and they broke up, broke off a little early today, but they will be picking back up tomorrow at nine am and we will be watching, so stay tuned. We should have daily updates on the Brian Walsh murder trial. Thanks for listening everyone, I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.