Nov. 5, 2026
The Breakup Heard at Bed with La La Anthony... (S6 E7 "The Post-It Always Sticks Twice")
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RSS Feed La La Anthony joins Kristin Davis to revisit an episode that has a little bit of everything: Charlotte’s wedding plans, Carrie’s questionable choices, and Samantha discovering that getting exactly what she asked for might not be what she wanted. They also get into the Sex and the City moments that still resonate, including Miranda’s iconic skinny jeans.
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? Today is Lala Anthony, part two. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So in this episode, after she tells us at the coffee shop about the Post-it, and then she says, you know, so I'd forgotten this part that she goes, you know, so something else has to happen to me today so that today is not going to be the day that I was broken up with on a Post-it, which I love. That's kind of a really good, strong, like, you know.
00:00:36
Speaker 2: I love that statement. Right.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm going to rewrite this day. And so we end up going to the bed opening. And I so have a vivid, vivid memory of this place. And I honestly don't know if it was a real place or if we made it. Do you know if it was a real place?
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that was a real place.
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Speaker 1: Me neither. But we made it, right, with mattresses and everything. And I remember that we filmed all night and I fell asleep on the bed. And this is in the days of the original Blackberries, like the tiny little Blackberries. And Sir Jessica got hers first and then gave me one and eventually Cynthia. And I used to sleep with it by my head. And it only had like two sounds. One was like, doodaloo. And one was like, doodaloo. And I was sleeping and it was going off. And Sir Jessica was like, Kristen, doodaloo. that person's texting you. Cause I had, there was a person on the other coast and I was like, was.
00:01:27
Speaker 2: It a text that you wanted? Yes.
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Speaker 1: It was a text that I wanted. That's right. And it was, it was, uh, it was important on that Blackberry had to get up and get on the Blackberry.
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Speaker 2: But I remember like, Kristen, wake your ass.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. But it was so nice because we worked all night all the time and to actually have mattresses that we could just be like.
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Speaker 2: That was amazing. Oh yeah, I know. Even now with acting certain scenes, I'm like, I'm so glad I'm sitting down this whole scene or I'm so glad like I get to just relax this scene because the hours are insane on power. I mean, call time sometimes, the call time would be 3, 4 a.m. sometimes just to get, just getting into work. So I totally understand that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't believe us. It's crazy, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's insane. It's insane. Like even now, my room is still like blacked out curtains because I have to be able to sleep at the most random times in the day, especially when I'm going to show on set because the hours get so crazy.
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Speaker 1: So important. You got to have the sound machine and the blackout.
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Speaker 2: All of it. You need the whole setup. The mattress, the whole setup.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 2: I was at my friend's house. I'm like, what mattress is this? I might need to get this mattress. The whole setup.
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Speaker 1: All the sleep things. Super important. Super important. Yeah, you got to get through. You got to get through with hopefully your health intact, right?
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Speaker 2: For sure.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't get any easier as it goes.
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Speaker 2: No, it does not.
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Speaker 1: When we did it just like that, our hours were better, but then they would wake us up really early. So you'd have a 4 a.m.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever, that's not something I'll ever get used to. Like I just, I just would never get used to that. And naturally I'm more of a night owl. So I might be going to bed at one and then with a 4 a.m. call time.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. That's pain. That's pain. I would rather go in and like do the splits, you know, when you go in at like 2 p.m. and then you work till like 4 p.m., 4 a.m.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 1: I would prefer that than waking up.
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Speaker 2: I would prefer that. And some people do the opposite, but I'm like you. I prefer that.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
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Speaker 1: Because that waking up in the dark and going to act, it just doesn't really make sense.
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Speaker 2: Oh, and by the way, let me tell you this. Most of the times when I've had to wake up that early and go act, it's like, a sex scene or something like that. Like, why are we shooting a sex scene at six o'clock in the morning? You guys gotta be kidding me. Like, it'll be something random like that. Like, it's not just a calm scene. It's like, oh yeah, we're about to shoot the shootout and then at 6 a.m. it's just like, oh my God.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So hard.
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Speaker 2: It's happened to me numerous times.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Lord. That's rough, man. That's when you're really earning those dollars.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you are. You are. You are. And it's just sometimes in my head, I'm like, You can't make this up.
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Speaker 1: No, it's so true.
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Speaker 2: It's so true. People will never understand it.
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Speaker 1: It's true. And I do think it's like the fun, but also the pain of our job, right? Like the fun is that it's such a weird, weird thing to do. And you have to somehow figure out how to get yourself into that mindset.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But then at the same time, sometimes I remember with the show, you know, everyone's talking about how we looked and, you know, what we were wearing and whatever. And I would always be like, do they realize it's like 5 a.m. and we've been up all night and whatever. But, you know, you don't want them to think that. You want them to just be enjoying it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's so much that happens behind the scenes to bring all the magic together.
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Speaker 1: It's so true. It's so true. It takes the magic. It takes the whole team, the whole village to create the magic. So when we go to this bar, this bed place, there is this guy who plays Billy. The actor's name is Michael Showalter, who's also a director. And he directed so many things. Since after he played this part of Billy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Billy is this guy who Carrie sees and she's like, oh no, Berger's friends are here. And so she goes over to them and it's kind of entertaining. First she goes over to them. She's like, I'm going to be cool and calm. But they're like, oh, is Berger with you? And so then she's like, oh no, we broke up. And then they say something like, oh no. And she goes, yeah, but he was bad in bed. I totally forgot. And it's kind of enjoyable in a weird way. Like I have never done something like that, but it's kind of, I mean, I enjoyed it. I was like, yeah, good for her. But then she feels bad about it. So then she goes back and then they kind of go back and forth, the guys and her about like, you know, she goes, oh yeah, you know, it's upsetting because the breakup and they go, oh yeah. And then they're like, but women get crazy. And she was like, well, do we, you know, It was very relatable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I always tell my friends, it's cool to be friends with your boyfriend's friends, but just always remember those are still his friends. Sometimes you get so cool, you... mistake like oh no they're for me and then something happens and you quickly realize like oh those are his friends so it's cool to be cool but just always remember those are his friends you know what I mean and yes been around before I've ever been something happens they're going to be around after so I I that that's an interesting interesting space when you're dating because also a lot of women feel like for the guy to like them more their friends have to also like them so it's like they go above and beyond to like be liked by the friends. Cause they think that's going to make the guy like them. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It is interesting. And I think it's so delicate because then the guys, you know, you don't really know what they're saying. You know, they can't really be trusted. I don't think.
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Speaker 2: Right. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just as simple as those, those are his friends. Just like our friends are going to arrive for us and whatever we're doing and go whichever way we're going and, Same with that person's friend. So as long as you're mindful of that and you know that and you don't get mistaken like, no, that's my friend. He loves me. And he's just like, girl. No, it's true.
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Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. It is so awkward, though, because you if especially if the person like I one time had this this this boyfriend where I was probably more in love with them than they were with me.
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Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:33
Speaker 1: Then we broke up. This is many years ago, a long time ago. And he we were like we would talk on the phone like five times a day, like so much like it felt still like a relationship to me.
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Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:43
Speaker 1: Of course.
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Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:44
Speaker 1: Right. but not so much to him. Then he meets this girl. They have a whirlwind relationship and they get married. So one of his best friends called me and he said, Hey, I just want to give you a heads up. Like, I think that they're going to get married. And I was like, what? I I just talk to him five times a day. Like that's insane. Of course he didn't tell me that.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But you, it's like a surrogate, like the friend, the guy's friend is like a surrogate for you to try to get some closure or whatever. And I was much younger, but I do remember this. It was almost like a transference over to the friend, but this is not a healthy thing to do.
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Speaker 2: It's not, it's not, but that's exactly what was happening in that. you know, situation. But at the end of the day, that's still his friend. And when he got married, that friend was at the wedding. Exactly. Super happy.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. It was thoughtful of him, though, to tell me. So at least I knew. But then at a certain point, I had to shut that down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Or like when you're done with somebody, you don't want to still be connected so close to the friends because you don't want to hear about everything that person is doing. It's like, Got to close the chapter.
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Speaker 1: Most definitely. Most definitely. I needed to learn these things a long time ago, Lala. But, you know, it's a process, right? It's a process. So they go, they're at the club. Then she has this whole little breakdown with the friends, which is kind of adorable. And the good friend who plays Billy is this actor, now director, Michael Showalter. And he just directed this film that was in the theaters like two weekends ago or whatever, Verity with Anne Hathaway. Okay. And he's a great director. And it's so interesting. Like it just goes to show you just don't even know. Like for instance, you on TRL, when you're in your like 1920, like so young and look at this incredible career you've had. It's super interesting to me. Like how people, like you meet people and you might feel like, oh yeah, they're super interesting or whatever, but you never know what you're going to do.
00:09:41
Speaker 2: You just never know.
00:09:42
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: You just never know. It's so fun to watch. It's so fun to like, See then and now and just different ways life took different people like it's interesting and kind of just what we do for a living is it's hard to have that longevity and that relevancy. for a long time. So that's, that, that's just not an easy thing.
00:10:03
Speaker 1: Oh, not at all.
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Speaker 2: And I think we live in a world of like new, fresh, this, this, that. So it's, it's not easy. So again, going back to my original comment, just about the show and the characters, it's like, you just don't feel that when it comes to you guys and sex, it feels like, The show could have, the first episode could have aired today. And we're like, oh, this is crazy. Like it doesn't like, oh, that would never happen now. No, all of that stuff will happen now. Exactly how it happened now.
00:10:28
Speaker 1: So true. So true. And I love that. I'm curious, just because you have had such an incredible career and so interesting, like the different ways that it's gone. If you were to say one thing that you think is really important, like to young people who would be starting out now, what would you say is something that you feel like has really helped you or that you've understood?
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Speaker 2: I would say like relationships matter, like how you treat people really matter because a lot of jobs I got were based on my relationship. Yes, I was talented, but people want to work with good people, kind people, you know, people that take it seriously. So building relationships along the way really helped me in different parts of my career. I'm definitely somebody who values relationships and want to leave people with a certain feeling after they work with me or talk to me. And I just realized, that's just who I am naturally, but I just realized how far that took me in my career, just having those relationships. So just start establishing relationships. Could be small, could be big. Be mindful of just checking in on people, just tapping in or whatever it is, because Those are the things that will take you further. A lot of times the relationship takes you further than the talent.
00:11:40
Speaker 1: That is a really, really great piece of advice. And I think it's 100% true. And I don't know with the young people, because it's been such a different world for them. They've had social media and all the different things. And I don't know that they necessarily always have that in the forefront of their head. But I think being present, you know, being present with people, being a real person, being able to talk and listen, having ideas, but also supporting other people.
00:12:06
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So important.
00:12:07
Speaker 2: And being nice. Like, people just underestimate just being nice, being a joy to be around and work with. Like, there are some people that just are not. And so, like, to be on set and you remember all the people that you work with that were kind and nice or guest stars that came on that just stood out. Like, you remember those things. True. And so, you have a project or you're a producer. It's like, hey, what about so-and-so? I remember I just had such a great experience with that person. Like, it matters.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: It's so true. It is. Let's talk about Jason Lewis for a second. So there you are all, you're on TRL. It's insanity at all times. And they say to you one day, okay, Sexton City wants to come record. How did the logistics work? Like, were you there doing your regular show?
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Speaker 2: I was there doing my regular show. And then it was like, okay, we're going to stop down for this filming portion. And I was so nervous because I hadn't really did, I was hosted, but I didn't host for like the acting side and then the storyline with Jason coming and what do they call him again? The hunk?
00:13:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, the absolute hunk.
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Speaker 2: Absolute hunk. And it was like the absolute hunk. I was just like, oh my God, so much pressure. I didn't want to like have to do a lot of takes. And I was just, remember, I was nervous, but I was like, get it together, Lala. Just get it together. But I remember, like, to this day, so many people talk about that. It's like, it's funny. You can have such a career with so many things. And it's funny that the things that people remember the most or latch on to, to this day, I'll hear about, like, you were on that Sex and the City episode. I was like, what? I've interviewed everyone in the world, but you were on that set with, and they'll say with the absolute hunk. And I just laughed about it. So it was such a career moment. And then I remember like calling my mom, like, mom, I'm about to be on sex. She's like, what are you talking about? Like, it just was such, such a moment.
00:14:04
Speaker 1: Adorable. Do you remember Jason? Did he?
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Speaker 2: I do remember him. Super sweet.
00:14:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Super sweet, super kind, super humble. Made it like, super easy, but I remember everybody in the studio was like whispering like, oh my God, you so handsome. Like it was just such a thing. Like there was just so much energy in the studio that day, but everything was so seamless and easy and fun. And, and we were just so excited to just watch it.
00:14:27
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, when I watch it back, of course you, it's impossible to fully appreciate what is happening at the time. Right. And when you look back on it, you know, it is such a capsule of what it was like at that time, right? Like the cultural kind of, you know, energy behind it and getting things together. And it was so smart of us to plan that.
00:14:50
Speaker 2: So smart.
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Speaker 1: Like so great. And, and, was perfectly executed, like very realistic. I remember going on TRL. I don't think we talked though. And it was chaos. Like you were just like, huh, what, where, what? Yeah, it was craziness, but you also knew it was really important because you're reaching the young fans. And that was a very immediate, it was a very immediate.
00:15:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, very immediate. And also when you got booked for like a show like TRL, I don't know, there was a sense of like, I've made it like, like I'm doing something right in my career. Like the people at MTV want to talk to me, the kids still, you know, or think I'm cool or like, like just getting booked on TRL just felt like I made it kind of moment. So again, it was so, it was so special, but looking back, I'm like, I realized like it was extra, extra special.
00:15:41
Speaker 1: Most definitely. Where is the reunion going to be on? Has it been aired yet?
00:15:46
Speaker 2: It hasn't aired yet. We just, everybody filmed like different clips and stuff. So probably in the next, like, But it was nice because with TRL, they've tried to like bring it back. But again, like Sex and the City, there's certain magic that it's hard to capture, you know, again, whether it's that show or trying to make it a different show. It's hard. So it's like they've tried and tried. But I think now they're to a point like it's just going to have to be something fresh and new. but they wanted to still give TRL the love and respect by doing this reunion. But over the years, I've gotten calls like, oh, they're going to bring TRL back. They're going to do this. And they did for stints of time, but it's a different world now. So it's been hard to capture what we had then. It is.
00:16:28
Speaker 1: It's impossible really to capture it. I think in some ways, because everything has changed so drastically with our phones and Everything. Everything, exactly.
00:16:38
Speaker 2: So many different things.
00:16:39
Speaker 1: And everything is.
00:16:40
Speaker 2: Just so accessible. Like, you know, it's just a different world. So that iteration of it wouldn't work now, but it's still really cool to see people paying homage to it.
00:16:49
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. I will look forward to seeing you on that.
00:16:52
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
00:16:52
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
00:16:53
Speaker 2: That's exciting. Thank you.
00:16:54
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. So Charlotte's storyline, we'll just touch on everyone's storyline real quick. Charlotte's basic storyline is that she is feeling... kind of like i guess embarrassed or mixed feelings about how happy she is to be engaged she waves her ring around for a while and then she realizes like no this is my second time i'm doing it she finds her vera wang dress supposedly hanging in her own closet which i found a little hard to believe because that was a big.
00:17:19
Speaker 2: Dress A lot of tool, a.
00:17:23
Speaker 1: Lot of tool there. How, how would that fit in the closet? But okay. And we've never seen it previously, but okay. All right. It was interesting because it at least gives her a moment to go like, Oh, right. I did do all this before. And it made me laugh when she tells everyone eventually. So first she says, Oh, I'm not even going to have bridesmaids. And they're all like, they're fine with it. And she's like, why are they fine with it? The whole theme. And then later on, she tells them that she does want them to be bridesmaids and they're all like, oh no. And then she goes, but you don't have to wear the matching dresses. They're like, okay. That was very realistic because everyone had a lot of feelings about those bridesmaids dresses.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: They did. They did. And it's funny because when I got married, I'm not married anymore, but when I was married, I did, I didn't do bridesmaids. I just thought like, it's just too complicated, too many personalities. This one wants to dress this way. This one's going to want that. Like, it just felt like it was just going to be too much. And of course I love all my friends and I know they would, they are so supportive of anything I do, but I was like, they're all very like stylish or opinionated. Like, no, it should be this. And I was just like, that's just going to be a whole nother thing. It was easier to just not. And also like the deciding of like, who are the bridesmaids? You have like family and then a lot of friends. It's like, where'd you cut it like I was just like this is gonna be more stressful for me so ultimately I decided not to have any and that just worked nobody's offended everybody's.
00:18:47
Speaker 1: Oh that's good it worked out and you didn't regret.
00:18:50
Speaker 2: It no I didn't I didn't regret it that's good it's not even something I really thought too much about after it was just such a fun experience I didn't have to worry about like is this one mad or like holding on to some feelings like it was just free flowed and it works. So people ask me like, you know, bridesmaids or not, I think it's subjective and relative to whatever you think. But for me, that was just the easiest way.
00:19:13
Speaker 1: I feel like a wedding is such a huge production. And basically the bridesmaids and brides groomsmen are like casting basically.
00:19:22
Speaker 2: Right.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: So you're expanding the production and it can be quite big. I do remember being a bridesmaid a number of times and being like, whoa, I just need to sit here and do whatever they tell me because it's a big production and she is stressed.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. You know that the bridezilla stuff starts happening. Right. Right.
00:19:40
Speaker 1: And even my sweetest friend in the world, Melanie, I was in her wedding and I remember, I mean, it was a very, I was like, what is this hairdo? But I was not gonna say a word i was like i'm not gonna say a word she brought i hope you didn't say a word i did not say a word but it was her favorite hair person who i knew right but like they have ideas that are like strange and.
00:20:01
Speaker 2: You're oh yeah because it's a wedding now they're bringing out all the tricks they're bringing out the big trick. That's right.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: That's right. So I just, I just let it happen. And there's a picture in her house of all of us. And I'm like, Oh, it looks fine. I don't know what my problem was, but you know, it is a weird, you're, you're like a role, you're playing a role and you need to just let go of your, your, your wants or whatever, your own opinions. But it's interesting to see Charlotte with her different, because as we know from the first time around, she had so many fantasies about it all.
00:20:30
Speaker 2: Right.
00:20:31
Speaker 1: And so in some ways, I like that she's having to rethink that. I like that too.
00:20:37
Speaker 2: It was very realistic. It's what people, again, the magic of the show, what people go through, what people can relate to the second time around. And it's like, is it going to be as good? Or am I putting too much on this? Is it going to be as good as the first time? All of those things. I'm like, I'm just happy that she got a second opportunity. time around. Everyone doesn't, doesn't get that, you know, try to get it right.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting because it is, it is much more, um, real and authentic to her, right? Like she's found this person that she didn't expect to find. And, you know, as, as we know, they are a great match, thank goodness. But it's interesting that all the energy went into the first one, right? Which wasn't the great match, but I just think it's interesting that it isn't always what weddings can take you away from authenticity in a way because of all the stuff and all of your.
00:21:31
Speaker 2: True, because then it starts becoming about something else. And it's like, okay, we got to get back to the center of what this really is. It starts becoming about everything else, but what it really is. That's why now, I mean, and back then too, people, some people opting for courthouse weddings, smaller weddings, or like, you know, I had a big wedding and I remember my mom saying something like, you know, a lot of these people are just here to like, look, they're not, they're not like, they don't need to be here. They just want to see what's going on. And I was like, no, I got to invite everybody.
00:22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker 2: And if I was ever to do it again, maybe I would do it different. I don't know, but I'm just saying that, you know, it's, it's an interesting thing. It becomes about all the other things.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: It does. Yes. That's well put of it. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. And I like watching Charlotte struggle with that because that's a big area for her, you know, how things look. Yeah.
00:22:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:22:22
Speaker 1: So I like that. And I like that. Then she goes to this. I had totally forgotten about the pot smoking.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to go back. I had to go back and see that. What on earth? I had to go back and reference that too. I was like, oh, now they're getting high. Okay.
00:22:37
Speaker 1: It was so funny and weird. And I had totally forgotten. So we go to this bizarre bar that has peanut shells on the floor, which is also weird. And I don't think that still happens, does it? I haven't been to a bar. I have.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. But I mean, you get bars that are not, that got a lot going on.
00:22:56
Speaker 1: Definitely that have a lot going on, but not the peanut shells. That part I was like, oh, okay. But then we, so we find some pot. We follow some boys, some, some young men to this bar. We get some pot. Charlotte is like, no, I am not smoking pot, which thank goodness. I was like, who is she if she smoked some pot?
00:23:11
Speaker 2: But Carrie does.
00:23:13
Speaker 1: And she's pretty funny after she does. And I had forgotten that she gets arrested.
00:23:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's how I got to remember that part, too. I'm like, what? This took I just took a hell of a turn. This ride is crazy. Go from the post it to this.
00:23:27
Speaker 1: It's true.
00:23:28
Speaker 2: He wasn't good in bed. Your stuff is happy. Your character stuff is just like this. It was a lot. I know.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I really liked that, though. And the thing that I love about this particular episode, we have a writer named Liz Tichillo, who she had been. Our last addition to the writing team. At this point, I think we have six women and Michael Patrick King. So six women, one guy. And Liz was the last woman to join the group. And she's amazing. And this was her first script that had her name on it.
00:23:58
Speaker 2: Well, she did a hell of a job.
00:23:59
Speaker 1: Didn't she? I mean, wow, it's impressive. She currently has a new show that's a big hit for Fox called The Best Medicine. I don't know if you've seen it. It's really charming. It's really charming. And I'm just so happy for her.
00:24:12
Speaker 2: I love that.
00:24:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice because it's impossible to get anything greenlit these days, much less like get a big audience.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really hard.
00:24:21
Speaker 1: I know.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: So that's awesome. But she showed her strengths in this episode right here.
00:24:26
Speaker 1: I mean, big time. Like, there were so many sections of it, basically, you know? And I also love, it's the shortest storyline ever. I mean, I love Miranda skinny jeans, which we'll get to in a second, but I really loved the Samantha Smith because it's very short, but it's really succinct and beautiful because basically he's preparing to go on your show and he says, you know, Oh, my girlfriend, whatever. And she goes, Oh, you know, she has that.
00:24:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then she didn't, she was upset about it.
00:24:55
Speaker 1: Exactly.
00:24:56
Speaker 2: Be careful. Be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you say. Cause it's like, that's what you wanted, but you didn't really want that. Or you didn't know it was going to feel like that when it actually happened. I mean, those are just life lessons that you just, as you, as you go, like it's, it's, it's interesting. I, I, I could probably do stuff like that sometimes. Like, no, we don't, even though like, I kinda, I also kinda want maybe the person to be like, no, like, what do you mean? And then they just agree with you and you're like, oh God, I didn't want, I just said that. So they would like disagree. You just gotta be careful with like, playing those certain kind of games or whatever. So true.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: So true. And I think for Samantha, especially, who really... doesn't play games in a way.
00:25:36
Speaker 2: Right.
00:25:36
Speaker 1: Because she thinks she knows exactly what she wants, which I think is so interesting. But then because Smith kind of breaks all those rules, right? Like she says to Smith, well, this is what I want you to do. So Smith does it exactly how she wanted him to do it, which go him. You know what I mean? He's kind of like, well, he's so proud.
00:25:55
Speaker 2: He's like, I did it. I did it. Well, that didn't make me feel good. And it's like, women, why are women so confusing? You told me to do this.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: It's so true. But I think it's so perfect for Samantha because previous to Smith, this is how she felt. This is what she wanted. She didn't want someone to try to hold her down, but he is different and he is breaking all those rules. And it's great for her to be watching it happen and go like, oh yeah, this actually doesn't feel good. That's so rare for her. Yeah.
00:26:26
Speaker 2: Cause she was, she was, non-emotional on a lot of things, especially when it came to men. So yeah, that was a pivotal, you know, a moment that definitely resonated with a lot of people.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
00:26:36
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
00:26:37
Speaker 1: And it's funny if you think about like how little screen time that storyline had, but how effective it was.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: It was powerful. It was powerful. And that's a lot of what people, you know, remembered. Yep.
00:26:48
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. And then Samantha, sorry, Miranda with the skinny jeans. I mean- Can we all just relate? Oh, my God, those genes.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Everyone can't relate to that. Who can't relate to that? That's the most, again, things from them that resonate now. Like, that's just something you'll be able to relate to for the rest of your life, no matter what stage, how old, what's going on. Like, who can? It was, again, it's just like, it's just so much genius in the writing that you're just like, how do these people think of all of this stuff that still resonates today? Like, I don't know, tonight I'll probably watch some sexism. Just because, because I'm like, this is just bringing back all types of things in my mind. I'm like, I want to go remember that, refresh that, do this. So yeah, it just never gets old.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: It's true. It's such a good feeling when you connect to something that you're seeing in the entertainment world. You know, like to go to feel like, yes, I felt that. I feel that today. You know, I felt that yesterday. It's such a powerful feeling that makes you feel like, yes, we are all human. We're all in this together. That's how I feel. And I love that feeling. I was trying to tell Sarah and Cynthia about that. Like, cause since I've been rewatching pretty much every week, right. And then I'll, if I have work or something, I'll take a week off. And then when I come back to the show, I have this warm feeling when it comes on. It's so interesting. Yeah. Getting to be a fan and feel those feelings. It's so good.
00:28:16
Speaker 2: It's gotta be, it's gotta be great. And now you get to experience what all of us have been experiencing for such a long time and still Go back and reference so much of it.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Exactly. And it makes me understand the kind of the, you know, intensity of feeling that some people have when they see us, which sometimes you're like, oh, my God, what's happening? There's like, oh, no, it's a connected feeling.
00:28:38
Speaker 2: That's why I started with my question, because it's.
00:28:40
Speaker 1: Like, you're right.
00:28:45
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. I know. I try to be, I try to be in both minds, right? Like how do they feel, but also how do my kids feel? Yeah.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really enjoyed talking to you. This was very refreshing and I'm so glad that we did this.
00:29:02
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're not done yet. Cause you have a very important question to answer. Miss Lala.
00:29:06
Speaker 2: Hey, tell me, are you a Charlotte? Am I a Charlotte? Hmm. I think I have, there's things about Charlotte that I can relate to. I love Charlotte's take on life. I love, I felt like that Charlotte tried to see the good in things and situations and wasn't like changed by the world. Like looking at things negative, it was like believing in love again, the second marriage, like this can happen and like going into it with, and not having like, she had doubts along the way or, you know, insecurities, but like really stepping in. that and just like life is good, man. Like I'm living and this is what it is like. I love that about her. And I feel like I have a lot of that spirit of Charlotte inside of me.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: Nice, nice. I love it.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: I agree.
00:29:51
Speaker 1: That is, I think, the quintessential best thing about Charlotte. The hopefulness, the openness.
00:29:56
Speaker 2: The hopefulness. Yeah, I couldn't find the word. The hopefulness for sure. And I always want to keep that. There's been times you go through different things in life where it might be a little less, but I always want to keep that and never just like let life beat you down so bad, especially in like love and relationships to where you're like, it's never going to happen. It's never going to this. It's never going to that. Like still have that hopefulness that, you know, it will happen the right way.
00:30:21
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely. We all have to hold on to that. I believe that too. Well, you are a joy.
00:30:27
Speaker 2: It was so nice talking to you. Thank you for having me. I hope we can meet in person one day. Me too. I'll tell Lauren to make it happen.
00:30:35
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Our friend, Lauren, you are just wonderful. And I just wish you so much success in everything. You're just wonderful in every way. And I love talking to you and love your thoughts. And I'm so happy that we had the good sense to have you on the show way back then.
00:30:50
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. And I had a great time. So hopefully we will meet in person soon and continue to do amazing things. We're all such incredible fans. And I get excited about things, but I got really excited about this. So thank you.
00:31:03
Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Lala. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Have a great day.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody, to Are You a Charlotte? Today is Lala Anthony, part two. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So in this episode, after she tells us at the coffee shop about the Post-it, and then she says, you know, so I'd forgotten this part that she goes, you know, so something else has to happen to me today so that today is not going to be the day that I was broken up with on a Post-it, which I love. That's kind of a really good, strong, like, you know.
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Speaker 2: I love that statement. Right.
00:00:37
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to rewrite this day. And so we end up going to the bed opening. And I so have a vivid, vivid memory of this place. And I honestly don't know if it was a real place or if we made it. Do you know if it was a real place?
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that was a real place.
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Speaker 1: Me neither. But we made it, right, with mattresses and everything. And I remember that we filmed all night and I fell asleep on the bed. And this is in the days of the original Blackberries, like the tiny little Blackberries. And Sir Jessica got hers first and then gave me one and eventually Cynthia. And I used to sleep with it by my head. And it only had like two sounds. One was like, doodaloo. And one was like, doodaloo. And I was sleeping and it was going off. And Sir Jessica was like, Kristen, doodaloo. that person's texting you. Cause I had, there was a person on the other coast and I was like, was.
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Speaker 2: It a text that you wanted? Yes.
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Speaker 1: It was a text that I wanted. That's right. And it was, it was, uh, it was important on that Blackberry had to get up and get on the Blackberry.
00:01:37
Speaker 2: But I remember like, Kristen, wake your ass.
00:01:39
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. But it was so nice because we worked all night all the time and to actually have mattresses that we could just be like.
00:01:47
Speaker 2: That was amazing. Oh yeah, I know. Even now with acting certain scenes, I'm like, I'm so glad I'm sitting down this whole scene or I'm so glad like I get to just relax this scene because the hours are insane on power. I mean, call time sometimes, the call time would be 3, 4 a.m. sometimes just to get, just getting into work. So I totally understand that.
00:02:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't believe us. It's crazy, right?
00:02:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's insane. It's insane. Like even now, my room is still like blacked out curtains because I have to be able to sleep at the most random times in the day, especially when I'm going to show on set because the hours get so crazy.
00:02:21
Speaker 1: So important. You got to have the sound machine and the blackout.
00:02:24
Speaker 2: All of it. You need the whole setup. The mattress, the whole setup.
00:02:28
Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 2: I was at my friend's house. I'm like, what mattress is this? I might need to get this mattress. The whole setup.
00:02:35
Speaker 1: All the sleep things. Super important. Super important. Yeah, you got to get through. You got to get through with hopefully your health intact, right?
00:02:42
Speaker 2: For sure.
00:02:43
Speaker 1: Doesn't get any easier as it goes.
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Speaker 2: No, it does not.
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Speaker 1: When we did it just like that, our hours were better, but then they would wake us up really early. So you'd have a 4 a.m.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever, that's not something I'll ever get used to. Like I just, I just would never get used to that. And naturally I'm more of a night owl. So I might be going to bed at one and then with a 4 a.m. call time.
00:03:11
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. That's pain. That's pain. I would rather go in and like do the splits, you know, when you go in at like 2 p.m. and then you work till like 4 p.m., 4 a.m.
00:03:20
Speaker 2: Sorry.
00:03:21
Speaker 1: I would prefer that than waking up.
00:03:23
Speaker 2: I would prefer that. And some people do the opposite, but I'm like you. I prefer that.
00:03:27
Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
00:03:28
Speaker 1: Because that waking up in the dark and going to act, it just doesn't really make sense.
00:03:33
Speaker 2: Oh, and by the way, let me tell you this. Most of the times when I've had to wake up that early and go act, it's like, a sex scene or something like that. Like, why are we shooting a sex scene at six o'clock in the morning? You guys gotta be kidding me. Like, it'll be something random like that. Like, it's not just a calm scene. It's like, oh yeah, we're about to shoot the shootout and then at 6 a.m. it's just like, oh my God.
00:03:55
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:03:57
Speaker 1: So hard.
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Speaker 2: It's happened to me numerous times.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Lord. That's rough, man. That's when you're really earning those dollars.
00:04:06
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you are. You are. You are. And it's just sometimes in my head, I'm like, You can't make this up.
00:04:11
Speaker 1: No, it's so true.
00:04:12
Speaker 2: It's so true. People will never understand it.
00:04:15
Speaker 1: It's true. And I do think it's like the fun, but also the pain of our job, right? Like the fun is that it's such a weird, weird thing to do. And you have to somehow figure out how to get yourself into that mindset.
00:04:27
Speaker 2: Right.
00:04:27
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, sometimes I remember with the show, you know, everyone's talking about how we looked and, you know, what we were wearing and whatever. And I would always be like, do they realize it's like 5 a.m. and we've been up all night and whatever. But, you know, you don't want them to think that. You want them to just be enjoying it.
00:04:43
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's so much that happens behind the scenes to bring all the magic together.
00:04:48
Speaker 1: It's so true. It's so true. It takes the magic. It takes the whole team, the whole village to create the magic. So when we go to this bar, this bed place, there is this guy who plays Billy. The actor's name is Michael Showalter, who's also a director. And he directed so many things. Since after he played this part of Billy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yeah.
00:05:11
Speaker 1: Billy is this guy who Carrie sees and she's like, oh no, Berger's friends are here. And so she goes over to them and it's kind of entertaining. First she goes over to them. She's like, I'm going to be cool and calm. But they're like, oh, is Berger with you? And so then she's like, oh no, we broke up. And then they say something like, oh no. And she goes, yeah, but he was bad in bed. I totally forgot. And it's kind of enjoyable in a weird way. Like I have never done something like that, but it's kind of, I mean, I enjoyed it. I was like, yeah, good for her. But then she feels bad about it. So then she goes back and then they kind of go back and forth, the guys and her about like, you know, she goes, oh yeah, you know, it's upsetting because the breakup and they go, oh yeah. And then they're like, but women get crazy. And she was like, well, do we, you know, It was very relatable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I always tell my friends, it's cool to be friends with your boyfriend's friends, but just always remember those are still his friends. Sometimes you get so cool, you... mistake like oh no they're for me and then something happens and you quickly realize like oh those are his friends so it's cool to be cool but just always remember those are his friends you know what I mean and yes been around before I've ever been something happens they're going to be around after so I I that that's an interesting interesting space when you're dating because also a lot of women feel like for the guy to like them more their friends have to also like them so it's like they go above and beyond to like be liked by the friends. Cause they think that's going to make the guy like them. Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:47
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It is interesting. And I think it's so delicate because then the guys, you know, you don't really know what they're saying. You know, they can't really be trusted. I don't think.
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Speaker 2: Right. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just as simple as those, those are his friends. Just like our friends are going to arrive for us and whatever we're doing and go whichever way we're going and, Same with that person's friend. So as long as you're mindful of that and you know that and you don't get mistaken like, no, that's my friend. He loves me. And he's just like, girl. No, it's true.
00:07:20
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. It is so awkward, though, because you if especially if the person like I one time had this this this boyfriend where I was probably more in love with them than they were with me.
00:07:33
Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:33
Speaker 1: Then we broke up. This is many years ago, a long time ago. And he we were like we would talk on the phone like five times a day, like so much like it felt still like a relationship to me.
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Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:43
Speaker 1: Of course.
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Speaker 2: Right.
00:07:44
Speaker 1: Right. but not so much to him. Then he meets this girl. They have a whirlwind relationship and they get married. So one of his best friends called me and he said, Hey, I just want to give you a heads up. Like, I think that they're going to get married. And I was like, what? I I just talk to him five times a day. Like that's insane. Of course he didn't tell me that.
00:08:04
Speaker 2: Right.
00:08:05
Speaker 1: But you, it's like a surrogate, like the friend, the guy's friend is like a surrogate for you to try to get some closure or whatever. And I was much younger, but I do remember this. It was almost like a transference over to the friend, but this is not a healthy thing to do.
00:08:21
Speaker 2: It's not, it's not, but that's exactly what was happening in that. you know, situation. But at the end of the day, that's still his friend. And when he got married, that friend was at the wedding. Exactly. Super happy.
00:08:32
Speaker 1: Exactly. It was thoughtful of him, though, to tell me. So at least I knew. But then at a certain point, I had to shut that down.
00:08:41
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or like when you're done with somebody, you don't want to still be connected so close to the friends because you don't want to hear about everything that person is doing. It's like, Got to close the chapter.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: Most definitely. Most definitely. I needed to learn these things a long time ago, Lala. But, you know, it's a process, right? It's a process. So they go, they're at the club. Then she has this whole little breakdown with the friends, which is kind of adorable. And the good friend who plays Billy is this actor, now director, Michael Showalter. And he just directed this film that was in the theaters like two weekends ago or whatever, Verity with Anne Hathaway. Okay. And he's a great director. And it's so interesting. Like it just goes to show you just don't even know. Like for instance, you on TRL, when you're in your like 1920, like so young and look at this incredible career you've had. It's super interesting to me. Like how people, like you meet people and you might feel like, oh yeah, they're super interesting or whatever, but you never know what you're going to do.
00:09:41
Speaker 2: You just never know.
00:09:42
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: You just never know. It's so fun to watch. It's so fun to like, See then and now and just different ways life took different people like it's interesting and kind of just what we do for a living is it's hard to have that longevity and that relevancy. for a long time. So that's, that, that's just not an easy thing.
00:10:03
Speaker 1: Oh, not at all.
00:10:04
Speaker 2: And I think we live in a world of like new, fresh, this, this, that. So it's, it's not easy. So again, going back to my original comment, just about the show and the characters, it's like, you just don't feel that when it comes to you guys and sex, it feels like, The show could have, the first episode could have aired today. And we're like, oh, this is crazy. Like it doesn't like, oh, that would never happen now. No, all of that stuff will happen now. Exactly how it happened now.
00:10:28
Speaker 1: So true. So true. And I love that. I'm curious, just because you have had such an incredible career and so interesting, like the different ways that it's gone. If you were to say one thing that you think is really important, like to young people who would be starting out now, what would you say is something that you feel like has really helped you or that you've understood?
00:10:49
Speaker 2: I would say like relationships matter, like how you treat people really matter because a lot of jobs I got were based on my relationship. Yes, I was talented, but people want to work with good people, kind people, you know, people that take it seriously. So building relationships along the way really helped me in different parts of my career. I'm definitely somebody who values relationships and want to leave people with a certain feeling after they work with me or talk to me. And I just realized, that's just who I am naturally, but I just realized how far that took me in my career, just having those relationships. So just start establishing relationships. Could be small, could be big. Be mindful of just checking in on people, just tapping in or whatever it is, because Those are the things that will take you further. A lot of times the relationship takes you further than the talent.
00:11:40
Speaker 1: That is a really, really great piece of advice. And I think it's 100% true. And I don't know with the young people, because it's been such a different world for them. They've had social media and all the different things. And I don't know that they necessarily always have that in the forefront of their head. But I think being present, you know, being present with people, being a real person, being able to talk and listen, having ideas, but also supporting other people.
00:12:06
Speaker 2: Right.
00:12:06
Speaker 1: So important.
00:12:07
Speaker 2: And being nice. Like, people just underestimate just being nice, being a joy to be around and work with. Like, there are some people that just are not. And so, like, to be on set and you remember all the people that you work with that were kind and nice or guest stars that came on that just stood out. Like, you remember those things. True. And so, you have a project or you're a producer. It's like, hey, what about so-and-so? I remember I just had such a great experience with that person. Like, it matters.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: It's so true. It is. Let's talk about Jason Lewis for a second. So there you are all, you're on TRL. It's insanity at all times. And they say to you one day, okay, Sexton City wants to come record. How did the logistics work? Like, were you there doing your regular show?
00:13:00
Speaker 2: I was there doing my regular show. And then it was like, okay, we're going to stop down for this filming portion. And I was so nervous because I hadn't really did, I was hosted, but I didn't host for like the acting side and then the storyline with Jason coming and what do they call him again? The hunk?
00:13:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, the absolute hunk.
00:13:20
Speaker 2: Absolute hunk. And it was like the absolute hunk. I was just like, oh my God, so much pressure. I didn't want to like have to do a lot of takes. And I was just, remember, I was nervous, but I was like, get it together, Lala. Just get it together. But I remember, like, to this day, so many people talk about that. It's like, it's funny. You can have such a career with so many things. And it's funny that the things that people remember the most or latch on to, to this day, I'll hear about, like, you were on that Sex and the City episode. I was like, what? I've interviewed everyone in the world, but you were on that set with, and they'll say with the absolute hunk. And I just laughed about it. So it was such a career moment. And then I remember like calling my mom, like, mom, I'm about to be on sex. She's like, what are you talking about? Like, it just was such, such a moment.
00:14:04
Speaker 1: Adorable. Do you remember Jason? Did he?
00:14:07
Speaker 2: I do remember him. Super sweet.
00:14:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:14:09
Speaker 2: Super sweet, super kind, super humble. Made it like, super easy, but I remember everybody in the studio was like whispering like, oh my God, you so handsome. Like it was just such a thing. Like there was just so much energy in the studio that day, but everything was so seamless and easy and fun. And, and we were just so excited to just watch it.
00:14:27
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, when I watch it back, of course you, it's impossible to fully appreciate what is happening at the time. Right. And when you look back on it, you know, it is such a capsule of what it was like at that time, right? Like the cultural kind of, you know, energy behind it and getting things together. And it was so smart of us to plan that.
00:14:50
Speaker 2: So smart.
00:14:52
Speaker 1: Like so great. And, and, was perfectly executed, like very realistic. I remember going on TRL. I don't think we talked though. And it was chaos. Like you were just like, huh, what, where, what? Yeah, it was craziness, but you also knew it was really important because you're reaching the young fans. And that was a very immediate, it was a very immediate.
00:15:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, very immediate. And also when you got booked for like a show like TRL, I don't know, there was a sense of like, I've made it like, like I'm doing something right in my career. Like the people at MTV want to talk to me, the kids still, you know, or think I'm cool or like, like just getting booked on TRL just felt like I made it kind of moment. So again, it was so, it was so special, but looking back, I'm like, I realized like it was extra, extra special.
00:15:41
Speaker 1: Most definitely. Where is the reunion going to be on? Has it been aired yet?
00:15:46
Speaker 2: It hasn't aired yet. We just, everybody filmed like different clips and stuff. So probably in the next, like, But it was nice because with TRL, they've tried to like bring it back. But again, like Sex and the City, there's certain magic that it's hard to capture, you know, again, whether it's that show or trying to make it a different show. It's hard. So it's like they've tried and tried. But I think now they're to a point like it's just going to have to be something fresh and new. but they wanted to still give TRL the love and respect by doing this reunion. But over the years, I've gotten calls like, oh, they're going to bring TRL back. They're going to do this. And they did for stints of time, but it's a different world now. So it's been hard to capture what we had then. It is.
00:16:28
Speaker 1: It's impossible really to capture it. I think in some ways, because everything has changed so drastically with our phones and Everything. Everything, exactly.
00:16:38
Speaker 2: So many different things.
00:16:39
Speaker 1: And everything is.
00:16:40
Speaker 2: Just so accessible. Like, you know, it's just a different world. So that iteration of it wouldn't work now, but it's still really cool to see people paying homage to it.
00:16:49
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. I will look forward to seeing you on that.
00:16:52
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
00:16:52
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
00:16:53
Speaker 2: That's exciting. Thank you.
00:16:54
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. So Charlotte's storyline, we'll just touch on everyone's storyline real quick. Charlotte's basic storyline is that she is feeling... kind of like i guess embarrassed or mixed feelings about how happy she is to be engaged she waves her ring around for a while and then she realizes like no this is my second time i'm doing it she finds her vera wang dress supposedly hanging in her own closet which i found a little hard to believe because that was a big.
00:17:19
Speaker 2: Dress A lot of tool, a.
00:17:23
Speaker 1: Lot of tool there. How, how would that fit in the closet? But okay. And we've never seen it previously, but okay. All right. It was interesting because it at least gives her a moment to go like, Oh, right. I did do all this before. And it made me laugh when she tells everyone eventually. So first she says, Oh, I'm not even going to have bridesmaids. And they're all like, they're fine with it. And she's like, why are they fine with it? The whole theme. And then later on, she tells them that she does want them to be bridesmaids and they're all like, oh no. And then she goes, but you don't have to wear the matching dresses. They're like, okay. That was very realistic because everyone had a lot of feelings about those bridesmaids dresses.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: They did. They did. And it's funny because when I got married, I'm not married anymore, but when I was married, I did, I didn't do bridesmaids. I just thought like, it's just too complicated, too many personalities. This one wants to dress this way. This one's going to want that. Like, it just felt like it was just going to be too much. And of course I love all my friends and I know they would, they are so supportive of anything I do, but I was like, they're all very like stylish or opinionated. Like, no, it should be this. And I was just like, that's just going to be a whole nother thing. It was easier to just not. And also like the deciding of like, who are the bridesmaids? You have like family and then a lot of friends. It's like, where'd you cut it like I was just like this is gonna be more stressful for me so ultimately I decided not to have any and that just worked nobody's offended everybody's.
00:18:47
Speaker 1: Oh that's good it worked out and you didn't regret.
00:18:50
Speaker 2: It no I didn't I didn't regret it that's good it's not even something I really thought too much about after it was just such a fun experience I didn't have to worry about like is this one mad or like holding on to some feelings like it was just free flowed and it works. So people ask me like, you know, bridesmaids or not, I think it's subjective and relative to whatever you think. But for me, that was just the easiest way.
00:19:13
Speaker 1: I feel like a wedding is such a huge production. And basically the bridesmaids and brides groomsmen are like casting basically.
00:19:22
Speaker 2: Right.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: So you're expanding the production and it can be quite big. I do remember being a bridesmaid a number of times and being like, whoa, I just need to sit here and do whatever they tell me because it's a big production and she is stressed.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. You know that the bridezilla stuff starts happening. Right. Right.
00:19:40
Speaker 1: And even my sweetest friend in the world, Melanie, I was in her wedding and I remember, I mean, it was a very, I was like, what is this hairdo? But I was not gonna say a word i was like i'm not gonna say a word she brought i hope you didn't say a word i did not say a word but it was her favorite hair person who i knew right but like they have ideas that are like strange and.
00:20:01
Speaker 2: You're oh yeah because it's a wedding now they're bringing out all the tricks they're bringing out the big trick. That's right.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: That's right. So I just, I just let it happen. And there's a picture in her house of all of us. And I'm like, Oh, it looks fine. I don't know what my problem was, but you know, it is a weird, you're, you're like a role, you're playing a role and you need to just let go of your, your, your wants or whatever, your own opinions. But it's interesting to see Charlotte with her different, because as we know from the first time around, she had so many fantasies about it all.
00:20:30
Speaker 2: Right.
00:20:31
Speaker 1: And so in some ways, I like that she's having to rethink that. I like that too.
00:20:37
Speaker 2: It was very realistic. It's what people, again, the magic of the show, what people go through, what people can relate to the second time around. And it's like, is it going to be as good? Or am I putting too much on this? Is it going to be as good as the first time? All of those things. I'm like, I'm just happy that she got a second opportunity. time around. Everyone doesn't, doesn't get that, you know, try to get it right.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting because it is, it is much more, um, real and authentic to her, right? Like she's found this person that she didn't expect to find. And, you know, as, as we know, they are a great match, thank goodness. But it's interesting that all the energy went into the first one, right? Which wasn't the great match, but I just think it's interesting that it isn't always what weddings can take you away from authenticity in a way because of all the stuff and all of your.
00:21:31
Speaker 2: True, because then it starts becoming about something else. And it's like, okay, we got to get back to the center of what this really is. It starts becoming about everything else, but what it really is. That's why now, I mean, and back then too, people, some people opting for courthouse weddings, smaller weddings, or like, you know, I had a big wedding and I remember my mom saying something like, you know, a lot of these people are just here to like, look, they're not, they're not like, they don't need to be here. They just want to see what's going on. And I was like, no, I got to invite everybody.
00:22:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker 2: And if I was ever to do it again, maybe I would do it different. I don't know, but I'm just saying that, you know, it's, it's an interesting thing. It becomes about all the other things.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: It does. Yes. That's well put of it. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. And I like watching Charlotte struggle with that because that's a big area for her, you know, how things look. Yeah.
00:22:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:22:22
Speaker 1: So I like that. And I like that. Then she goes to this. I had totally forgotten about the pot smoking.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to go back. I had to go back and see that. What on earth? I had to go back and reference that too. I was like, oh, now they're getting high. Okay.
00:22:37
Speaker 1: It was so funny and weird. And I had totally forgotten. So we go to this bizarre bar that has peanut shells on the floor, which is also weird. And I don't think that still happens, does it? I haven't been to a bar. I have.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. But I mean, you get bars that are not, that got a lot going on.
00:22:56
Speaker 1: Definitely that have a lot going on, but not the peanut shells. That part I was like, oh, okay. But then we, so we find some pot. We follow some boys, some, some young men to this bar. We get some pot. Charlotte is like, no, I am not smoking pot, which thank goodness. I was like, who is she if she smoked some pot?
00:23:11
Speaker 2: But Carrie does.
00:23:13
Speaker 1: And she's pretty funny after she does. And I had forgotten that she gets arrested.
00:23:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's how I got to remember that part, too. I'm like, what? This took I just took a hell of a turn. This ride is crazy. Go from the post it to this.
00:23:27
Speaker 1: It's true.
00:23:28
Speaker 2: He wasn't good in bed. Your stuff is happy. Your character stuff is just like this. It was a lot. I know.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I really liked that, though. And the thing that I love about this particular episode, we have a writer named Liz Tichillo, who she had been. Our last addition to the writing team. At this point, I think we have six women and Michael Patrick King. So six women, one guy. And Liz was the last woman to join the group. And she's amazing. And this was her first script that had her name on it.
00:23:58
Speaker 2: Well, she did a hell of a job.
00:23:59
Speaker 1: Didn't she? I mean, wow, it's impressive. She currently has a new show that's a big hit for Fox called The Best Medicine. I don't know if you've seen it. It's really charming. It's really charming. And I'm just so happy for her.
00:24:12
Speaker 2: I love that.
00:24:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice because it's impossible to get anything greenlit these days, much less like get a big audience.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really hard.
00:24:21
Speaker 1: I know.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: So that's awesome. But she showed her strengths in this episode right here.
00:24:26
Speaker 1: I mean, big time. Like, there were so many sections of it, basically, you know? And I also love, it's the shortest storyline ever. I mean, I love Miranda skinny jeans, which we'll get to in a second, but I really loved the Samantha Smith because it's very short, but it's really succinct and beautiful because basically he's preparing to go on your show and he says, you know, Oh, my girlfriend, whatever. And she goes, Oh, you know, she has that.
00:24:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then she didn't, she was upset about it.
00:24:55
Speaker 1: Exactly.
00:24:56
Speaker 2: Be careful. Be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you say. Cause it's like, that's what you wanted, but you didn't really want that. Or you didn't know it was going to feel like that when it actually happened. I mean, those are just life lessons that you just, as you, as you go, like it's, it's, it's interesting. I, I, I could probably do stuff like that sometimes. Like, no, we don't, even though like, I kinda, I also kinda want maybe the person to be like, no, like, what do you mean? And then they just agree with you and you're like, oh God, I didn't want, I just said that. So they would like disagree. You just gotta be careful with like, playing those certain kind of games or whatever. So true.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: So true. And I think for Samantha, especially, who really... doesn't play games in a way.
00:25:36
Speaker 2: Right.
00:25:36
Speaker 1: Because she thinks she knows exactly what she wants, which I think is so interesting. But then because Smith kind of breaks all those rules, right? Like she says to Smith, well, this is what I want you to do. So Smith does it exactly how she wanted him to do it, which go him. You know what I mean? He's kind of like, well, he's so proud.
00:25:55
Speaker 2: He's like, I did it. I did it. Well, that didn't make me feel good. And it's like, women, why are women so confusing? You told me to do this.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: It's so true. But I think it's so perfect for Samantha because previous to Smith, this is how she felt. This is what she wanted. She didn't want someone to try to hold her down, but he is different and he is breaking all those rules. And it's great for her to be watching it happen and go like, oh yeah, this actually doesn't feel good. That's so rare for her. Yeah.
00:26:26
Speaker 2: Cause she was, she was, non-emotional on a lot of things, especially when it came to men. So yeah, that was a pivotal, you know, a moment that definitely resonated with a lot of people.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
00:26:36
Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
00:26:37
Speaker 1: And it's funny if you think about like how little screen time that storyline had, but how effective it was.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: It was powerful. It was powerful. And that's a lot of what people, you know, remembered. Yep.
00:26:48
Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. And then Samantha, sorry, Miranda with the skinny jeans. I mean- Can we all just relate? Oh, my God, those genes.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Everyone can't relate to that. Who can't relate to that? That's the most, again, things from them that resonate now. Like, that's just something you'll be able to relate to for the rest of your life, no matter what stage, how old, what's going on. Like, who can? It was, again, it's just like, it's just so much genius in the writing that you're just like, how do these people think of all of this stuff that still resonates today? Like, I don't know, tonight I'll probably watch some sexism. Just because, because I'm like, this is just bringing back all types of things in my mind. I'm like, I want to go remember that, refresh that, do this. So yeah, it just never gets old.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: It's true. It's such a good feeling when you connect to something that you're seeing in the entertainment world. You know, like to go to feel like, yes, I felt that. I feel that today. You know, I felt that yesterday. It's such a powerful feeling that makes you feel like, yes, we are all human. We're all in this together. That's how I feel. And I love that feeling. I was trying to tell Sarah and Cynthia about that. Like, cause since I've been rewatching pretty much every week, right. And then I'll, if I have work or something, I'll take a week off. And then when I come back to the show, I have this warm feeling when it comes on. It's so interesting. Yeah. Getting to be a fan and feel those feelings. It's so good.
00:28:16
Speaker 2: It's gotta be, it's gotta be great. And now you get to experience what all of us have been experiencing for such a long time and still Go back and reference so much of it.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Exactly. And it makes me understand the kind of the, you know, intensity of feeling that some people have when they see us, which sometimes you're like, oh, my God, what's happening? There's like, oh, no, it's a connected feeling.
00:28:38
Speaker 2: That's why I started with my question, because it's.
00:28:40
Speaker 1: Like, you're right.
00:28:45
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. I know. I try to be, I try to be in both minds, right? Like how do they feel, but also how do my kids feel? Yeah.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really enjoyed talking to you. This was very refreshing and I'm so glad that we did this.
00:29:02
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're not done yet. Cause you have a very important question to answer. Miss Lala.
00:29:06
Speaker 2: Hey, tell me, are you a Charlotte? Am I a Charlotte? Hmm. I think I have, there's things about Charlotte that I can relate to. I love Charlotte's take on life. I love, I felt like that Charlotte tried to see the good in things and situations and wasn't like changed by the world. Like looking at things negative, it was like believing in love again, the second marriage, like this can happen and like going into it with, and not having like, she had doubts along the way or, you know, insecurities, but like really stepping in. that and just like life is good, man. Like I'm living and this is what it is like. I love that about her. And I feel like I have a lot of that spirit of Charlotte inside of me.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: Nice, nice. I love it.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: I agree.
00:29:51
Speaker 1: That is, I think, the quintessential best thing about Charlotte. The hopefulness, the openness.
00:29:56
Speaker 2: The hopefulness. Yeah, I couldn't find the word. The hopefulness for sure. And I always want to keep that. There's been times you go through different things in life where it might be a little less, but I always want to keep that and never just like let life beat you down so bad, especially in like love and relationships to where you're like, it's never going to happen. It's never going to this. It's never going to that. Like still have that hopefulness that, you know, it will happen the right way.
00:30:21
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Absolutely. We all have to hold on to that. I believe that too. Well, you are a joy.
00:30:27
Speaker 2: It was so nice talking to you. Thank you for having me. I hope we can meet in person one day. Me too. I'll tell Lauren to make it happen.
00:30:35
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Our friend, Lauren, you are just wonderful. And I just wish you so much success in everything. You're just wonderful in every way. And I love talking to you and love your thoughts. And I'm so happy that we had the good sense to have you on the show way back then.
00:30:50
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. And I had a great time. So hopefully we will meet in person soon and continue to do amazing things. We're all such incredible fans. And I get excited about things, but I got really excited about this. So thank you.
00:31:03
Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Lala. Thank you. Thanks for your time. Have a great day.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: All right.