April 16, 2026
The biggest red flag about Trey is revealed... (S4 E5 "Ghost Town")
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
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Speaker 1: We have Tracy Tom's with us today. We are going to talk episode five of season four called ghost Town. Do you remember when Carrie takes the plant to scout the new bar that Steve and Aiden have invested in together. So she gets as she Miranda invites her. Oh, she gets an invitation, and she thinks that Aidan must have invited her, and so she's trying to get her mind around that she can go, but then she's so torn about it, right, and then she takes the plant to give well wishes to Steve and she sees him and he's his regular kind of like bubbly, you know, innocent self, and she's so, I know, he's so adorable, really adorable, but he seems so incredibly young. I'm like somewhat taken aback every time time I see him in these older episodes, Like he seems like he's twenty five years old. No, it's interesting, but it's his energy, you know, because he's he's not younger than us.
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Speaker 2: I don't think. I'm not sure, but I.
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Speaker 3: Was surprised actually that he came to do an episode of Cold Case when and I was surprised at how like more mature he was, Yeah, because I was used to him his energy on the show, being like you know whatever, I do, know what you mean, you know, when it came, I was like, Oh, you're growing a.
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Speaker 2: Grown up.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like this Steve in and just like that is more like a grown up too. Right, obviously exists many years later, but it is still surprising to see the young Steve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a bubbly so young.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miranda so much the adult right that it's interesting, but that's probably what works about them. But when Carrie goes to take the plant, I love how they filmed it because they kind of film it spooky, right, like the light is on the street, but it's dark in the bar, and the bars like dark wood and very masculine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very cool.
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Speaker 1: And then you hear Aiden's voice and she runs it's really good bolts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really good.
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Speaker 1: But then the best part, and we're jumping around, but it's okay, the best part is when so then she does go and Samantha comes to to the bar opening, even though she thinks that, so Steve basically says to her like, oh, Aiden didn't invite you, I invited.
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Speaker 2: So then carries all in her head like should invite me? Right right right?
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Speaker 1: But then she ends up going because I think she just so really wants to see him, has built it up.
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Speaker 3: The curiosity would never let her not go. They're all going to go, and she's not gonna go.
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Speaker 2: No, that's where she's happen. It's a worker workers, right.
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Speaker 1: But then she sees him across the room and of course he looks fantastic beautiful, and he nods at her in this very aloof way. He's now the aloof one.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting. That was like she's like, that's it, that's all. That's all I get. I know what you want them to do, I know. But that was so good.
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Speaker 3: So it was so perfec fix she needs that. It was so good at being like, of course it's.
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Speaker 1: Here, right, of course, I know you're here. Of course to go out there and have.
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Speaker 2: That cake scene. It was good. It was so good, so sparkly, so sparkly. I know.
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Speaker 1: But she's uncomfortable and it's nice to see her be uncomfortable because when you think about it, Carrie is not uncomfortable that often. Yeah, she's usually kind of somewhat in charge or trying to be in charge.
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Speaker 2: Like with Big, she's trying to like, what if I do this, or what if I do that?
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Speaker 1: Or what if I show up at the door in this outfit or what if I show up at the door at that outfitter. She's doing all her different carry things. But with Aiden she's kind of thrown off her game, which is.
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Speaker 3: Good, right, because Aiden is so Aiden is so he's so good, you know, such a it's and I love the complexity of it. I love that it's not a show. We're just like, oh, yeah, she's letting up with Big.
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Speaker 2: No, you don't know.
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Speaker 1: When you see she and Corporate together, you like she should end up with Aid, and then back when Big comes back, you're like, she should end with Big because they're all just.
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Speaker 3: So good, also good, and the writing is great and and you don't know, you don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, you don't know. But also isn't that how life is? You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think no, I mean you might think you know, but I don't know if.
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Speaker 3: You know, no, you think it's going to be you and a certain person on the porch with rocking chairs.
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Speaker 2: With me. I think I knows who knows.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, let's talk about Charlotte for a second. I mean, man, she's in the bedstore with with the mom and Trey, and he's just so he's so innocent in it all I know.
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Speaker 2: But it's.
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Speaker 3: It's like, if I will ever hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as mother, Well, mother says this.
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Speaker 2: With a mother, it's a problem. It's a problem. No, I agree, mother.
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Speaker 1: I also feel like if there's a man like let's say over thirty five, and he talks about his mother a lot and or complains about his mother, that's not good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to be worked out. You need to have it worked out. And it haven't worked out.
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Speaker 3: And I also have a tendency to date my mama's voice, you know what I mean, because what's the alternative that it's about it?
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Speaker 2: Who doesn't like his mother?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 2: No, that's not good. That's not good now.
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Speaker 3: So so it's always been there's that negotiation for sure. For sure, you're like, okay, well here's the mom and the Mom's like, this is my son, my prize possession.
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Speaker 2: A son? How do you navigate all this? I don't are you worthy? Right? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Don't you feel that way towards the girls and they're people as well.
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Speaker 2: Something about the mom and the scene.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's not a bottom mom on us, and especially a black mom and a black son.
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Speaker 2: Okay, our family units are like, got it? I always pass by the way? Well, good always do. Of course you pass, but there is a moment of like you are not sure. You have to really, like the.
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Speaker 3: First time that the mom comes to your house and you're like cleaning less terrifying. Of course I can't have a dust anywhere, and that is not my ministry. I'm not like super neat at all. I'm I'm a messy piles of things.
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Speaker 2: I got it, I get it, I am or something. I don't listen.
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Speaker 1: I only have people on who have ad d oh apparently, Yeah, I'm in the right place, totally, totally. Well, this is what brings me up. Also thinking about the tray Bunny Charlotte Triumvirate. Right, you know it's interesting in this episode because you can tell, like in the beginning Charlotte was trying to please Bunny, right, but now to do Yeah, but now Bunny's like obviously shown her cars that she's not really a team Charlotte.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: She's like, you're not good enough, basically, you know, when she's weird. So now Charlotte's kind of like, you know, oh god, and then trying to shop with them, but she doesn't want this hard bed, like Bunny's trying to get her to get another hard bed.
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Speaker 2: Bunny wants you to get.
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Speaker 1: Uffle, right, and she says like that it's unpresentable or some right, And Charlotte's like, you know, and it's so interesting, all the little details, but it makes perfect sense because like the whole detail thing and the detail of the picture that has been important to Charlotte, but this is what she's finding out is not actually.
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Speaker 2: Important, right, which is good? Yeah? Right?
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Speaker 1: And the duck, yeah definitely with duck, my god, duck. Can you imagine having to live with ducks? Mallards? Boo boo?
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Speaker 2: And then he's like, well, mom, Mom, put a lot of time and energy into this, does all of our houses? What?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: I know. It's like the weird part of Trey. You know, it's weird.
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Speaker 4: I was looking at him like, I know, it's not a good look. It's not No, it's not a good look at all. He's like, are you man right right? It's not a sexy thing at all. No, I agree totally. But the thing that's hard for.
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Speaker 1: Me, and of course I have multitudes of layers of this because you know, I was there or whatever. But you know, when he gets sick and she comes over and he just looks up at her, at Bunny, and he's just so adorable and innocent.
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Speaker 2: How can you not love him? Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's adorable, he is, but that was not cute.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: But then like we're all rubbing and rubbing that stuff on, it's just.
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Speaker 2: Break up the no move. I was like, oh god.
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Speaker 1: And also I could just tell this Kyle is about to laugh, like he's trying to lay there because.
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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous you guys are rubbing him him. This is my job, is I'm the woman, This is my Job's kind of crazy. Get out of here, Bunny. And then there is the weird part at the end.
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Speaker 1: We're just going to get to the end because like then we're having sex and I'm on top of him and she barges in and.
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Speaker 2: We're just like hello or something. Yes, she's got the muffins.
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Speaker 1: But then her exit, like when she's all flustered, is so adorable.
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Speaker 2: But she's so good. She's she really is. I love her every time, me too.
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Speaker 3: Her in The Mist. Oh my god, the movie The Mist. That No, that's all I'm gonna say.
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Speaker 2: The Mist. Okay, you guys, we have to go look at Friends as it's a Stephen King. Oh she's horrible. No, no she's not. But the movie is, it's brilliant.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's discuss Samantha and Maria. Man oh man, I mean this thing hasn't lasted long.
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Speaker 3: It's hilarious, though it is. Maria's just still like what are you doing right? Like, who do you think your woman is?
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Speaker 1: I mean, the way they got together at the art show, Maria's art show, it was pretty quick. I don't think she really knew, you know, I don't think she did her research right, you know, but.
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Speaker 2: It seems like it would be obvious.
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Speaker 1: I know, it totally seems obvious. But Maria, it's not that it does.
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Speaker 2: Not seem like a settle down.
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Speaker 1: No, but it is interesting that she wants to try, right, But I feel bad for Maria.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, she does not really want to try.
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Speaker 3: No, she doesn't really want to try. And she thought she was probably trying to be a good person.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Samantha is always unapologetic but her stuff. But maybe, like any human being, every now and then like okay, enough, now I've done. Maybe I've been nowt here.
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Speaker 1: Well let's try something different, let's try this, right, Maybe this will definitely.
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Speaker 2: Maybe as I get older, this will be nice.
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Speaker 1: Right, does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. That bathtub scene lasted a long time.
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Speaker 2: It was so uncomfortable, wasn't it. And Maria's just trying.
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Speaker 1: But then Marie is kind of mad, and then Samantha's kind of mad, and Samantha's like, I'm clean and gets out, oh Lord.
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Speaker 2: And jumps other than yes, yes, I don't want to talk anymore. Talk dog, we're talking. Yeah, she's not.
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Speaker 1: She does not want to be in a lesbian thing, because I do think that the lesbians enjoy talking.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes you say that that would be great. Yeah, but then maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.
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Speaker 1: It's not your Samantha for sure, for sure, for sure? All right, Miranda, So this is interesting. There were some conversations between Miranda and Carrie in this episode that I thought were so interesting, where they basically both are asking each other do you still have feelings about Steve?
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Speaker 2: Do you still have feelings about Aiden?
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Speaker 1: And they're both like, I don't think so, And I'm like, do they not know themselves at all?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't even miss right now?
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Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't know how that happens, because obviously if you saw strong enough feelings both of them, strong enough feelings that they're going to like get back together with the people.
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Speaker 2: And not that long, and it's yeah, and it's obvious I don't. I don't. I don't have anything at all. But I do feel like that is to do with your girlfriends right where.
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Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, your headstrong kind of know that you're thinking about them.
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Speaker 3: That'll be fine. Yeah, you know you're thinking about them, right, it's in the past, it's over. And a lot of that might be self preservation because you don't know if the other person still feels away about you telling yourself it's over.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't want we're done.
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Speaker 1: Right, But There is this one weird thing with Miranda and Steve. So she's in her apartment. She thinks she has a ghost, you know, he's opening this bar and she's like, well, that was my idea, and then they have the really sweet.
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Speaker 2: So he gives her credit.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And this is partly why I think they work out, right, is that, like he always does give her credit. You know, she she is kind of seen for what she can contribute, you know, in a way that's really sweet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like he sees the sweet side of her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, she's all right, it kind of like takes her off away, right.
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Speaker 2: You give me credit? Right? Yeah, why would I give you credit? Right?
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Speaker 1: It's nice, it's really nice exactly, but she expects not to get the credit, and then she gets the credit and she's like wow, oh gosh. But then later she says to Carrie that Carry was supposed to be there with her and that Steve tried to kiss her, but you don't see it. And like when my producers were writing the notes, they were like, that's so weird, and I thought about it, and I do think it's weird because usually you would see something like that, So I don't know, if there was some reason that we don't see it, or if it got cut or I don't know what happened. Like every once in a while we would have like a schedule drama where we couldn't film something like we'd run out of time at a location or something like that. And I wonder, because that would have been at the bar opening, right, I think that's after that, And but that's when Aiden and Carrie.
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Speaker 2: Have the cake scene. Yeah, and it comes out right.
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Speaker 1: Right and says, we're going to make the toast. And usually if we're on location, we're shooting till the sun comes up, you know what I mean, So maybe we ran out of nighttime.
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Speaker 2: I imagine it, yeah, I mean it good imagination exactly. So she just says like, oh, yes, Steve tried to kiss.
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Speaker 1: Me, she says on the phone to carry, which is kind of funny because normally that would be really important and we see it, yeah, but we don't see it. We just hear about it, and she's all like, you know, like it was nothing. But I feel like whenever they're talking Steve and Miranda, you can tell that there's unresolved, but.
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Speaker 2: It's almost to like longing he really.
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Speaker 1: He plays longing so well, you're so right, and she doesn't have any longing. No, she doesn't have any This is interesting because longing. Someone was talking about this, some other actress, Amanda Pete was saying that she and oh my god, what's your best friend? Who's in all the Ryan Murphy? Oh uh you know, yes, yes, Sarah Paulson and she were discussing longing as part of rom coms, and it's really interesting concept to think of. I do think it's a central part of romantic comedies that work, so that there's a longing and it might be expressed or it might just be under the surface, but I think it's important, and I think it's something that women really relate to and probably men too, right, Yeah, I don't know, but definitely women. And I think all of us have so much longing for so many things, right and different things at different times of life or whatever. But I think it's also interesting because sometimes it's that thing that you don't want to admit. You don't want to admit that you're longing for this. I think that's one of the good things about Charlotte is Charlotte always admits that she's belonging right, she wears it on her sleeve belonging, whereas Carrie it's kind of like covered, covered, and even covered from herself. So Miranda saying like, do you still have feelings for Aid? And she's like no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: Just went into exactly, I can't go, I can't go exactly what's fine?
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Speaker 1: It was fine, exactly, and it was disappointed that he just looks at her. Right, it's interesting, it's interesting. But I do think that we that we do this, you know, just like we don't want to admit you know.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was longing and then there's pain and suffering and sadness that comes if you don't get what you want and longing for too long, and.
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Speaker 2: That it's sad that it becomes to allow. Right, fine line, fine line.
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Speaker 1: I remember when we did the first movie and there's that whole New Year's Eve sequence where Carrie puts on her coat to go out to Miranda's and they played that really song sad version of old Lang Syne. Oh yeah, yeah, h do you remember this. It's like Scottish or Irish or something, and it's kind of like really leaning into your feelings, and Sir Jessica said, to me. I said, oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that song choice, and she was like, no, no, it's really good. It's really good because you know, we women, we like to push on our bruises.
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Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, that's so smart, sir. Oh, I know, right, ye, I thought to myself, very right. And I also thought like, that's what movies are for. That is what they're for. You're supposed to sit in your feelings, you know what I mean. It's a way. It's a way, and you can.
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Speaker 3: Start getting this is gonna get really weird. You start to get addicted to the feeling.
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Speaker 2: Of wallowing and longing because you just feel right Limerens. I think they call that limits.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you just get addicted to feelings.
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Speaker 1: It comes like a cycle in your brain. Yeah, it's not healthy. No, you got to break out. It's also anything that's so true.
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Speaker 3: I just learned that reason I can't get over people I break.
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Speaker 2: Up with that that's important because it's got to move on. That's right.
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Speaker 1: But I also think like, if you think about art and movies, that's why it's important, is to go in the experience, in the darkness with the strangers have the feelings and then walk out and then right, yeah, like Catharsis like the original idea of theater.
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I remember the firs. I saw the notebook. It was like that, Oh yeah, I was in a notebook. I was in it and that's that was really yeah. And I was in it with this dude.
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Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, you know what I mean, book right in the middle of the notebook while it was in and I was just like in consult, I was crying so and I'm about a crier.
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Speaker 2: I'm not like an emotional person. I'm a crier. I'm not I'm not an emotional person. So if it gets me, it's it's.
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Speaker 3: I was crying so hard. I was laughing at myself. I was just, OK, that's true, Catharsis. I think that's literally coming.
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Speaker 2: On your body.
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Speaker 3: And I took my friend to see if I was crazy, and the same thing happened to her.
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Speaker 2: For sure, Notebook's really good.
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Speaker 1: She was. No.
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Speaker 2: I was just a plane.
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Speaker 1: I was on a ten hour flight and I'd seen everything and the notebook was there, and I was like should I And there was like no, I can't go there. So I watched The Nurse again instead, because that's a different type.
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Speaker 2: You don't, I'm saying. But I was like, I can't, I can't. I can't watch the Place of the Notebook. I can't ever watch that movie again. Right.
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Speaker 3: And what's more is my mom died of Alzheimer's. I really really can't see it. To dad, Dad, don't ever watch that.
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Speaker 2: No, general break your heart. I think it's a it's a good movie.
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Speaker 3: And my dad, if you know what's good for you, because I'm not here to tell you not to watch.
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Speaker 2: It, right, I mean he also might need his own thing, right. No, that's hard like that or like away from her? Not movie away from her? Who is that? I feel like I saw that. Yeah, it wasn't Julian Moore? Was it?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no no?
00:19:40
Speaker 1: What was the one with Julian Moore? Gets early on set? Oh, I don't know if with al Baldwin. She goes to the blackboard and writes her number on it and then she can't remember the number.
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Speaker 2: So it's really good.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, said good job. She was great, so great. Wait what's away from her?
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Speaker 2: Away from her? She was on my friend Oscar for two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she yes, so good and basically away from her.
00:20:05
Speaker 2: She gets diagnosed.
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Speaker 3: Well, she she was with her husband and they're like this long term loving relationship, across country skiing all the time and very fit active. You have white people. And one day she's coming. She's cross country skiing and she has no idea where she is. She's she's like, gets lost, horrible, And then she does it every day, you know, she does the same ski thing every day, and she gets lost in the woods and she only gets home.
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Speaker 2: She only gets here. She's like, I horrible.
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Speaker 3: Didn't know where it was. I couldn't get home. She said, something's wrong, something's wrong.
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Speaker 2: So you just got turned on.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no, I do this every day. Something's wrong. Gets her diagnosis. So then she goes, so she picks out her own care facility. So she goes and visits care facilities and picks it out for herself.
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Speaker 2: And another husband's.
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Speaker 3: Kind of like in denial about it, like no, no, no, no, no, could be fun. I want to live here. I don't want you to take care of me.
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Speaker 2: Whatever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So she's in and then she starts to like deteriorate, and he's visiting her every day, and then she gets a boyfriend in the facility. What Yeah, she doesn't remember him. Yeah, so he has to the husband has has to watch this happening with another person.
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Speaker 2: I know this movie and the doctors are like this.
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Speaker 3: Happens sometimes they just and they just found some kind of connection. It's not personal, and it's not you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's really also, Dad, don't watch that much.
00:21:36
Speaker 2: Right, I get it. I get it.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: I have a really person question. You kind of said it brow and to ask you anyway, Tracy, are you a Charlotte?
00:21:55
Speaker 3: I am a Charlotte, adorable, you really really be a Charlotte.
00:22:01
Speaker 2: And then now you're more like morand okay, or more Miranda altogether.
00:22:05
Speaker 3: I'm a Charlotte, Miranda mixed. Like that combo, the combo. I think it's a good combo.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: I think it's a great combo in terms of like day to day life. That's a really good combo.
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Speaker 3: Someone who can like identify their feelings about things and allow themselves to be passionate about it, but also regulate yourself in a way that you don't make really bad stupid decisions.
00:22:29
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the truth is, Miranda and Charlotte both have made their parent made stupid decisions because they're human beings. Yes, And that's one of the great things about looking back at the show is everybody was imperfect, which I guess they can't really right now.
00:22:42
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, it is hard.
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Speaker 3: We're in a weird placement for art.
00:22:49
Speaker 1: Right and also just for like what's getting greenlit for the streamers. You know, it's not a time where people are thinking like, well, let's celebrate imperfect characters. That's not really happening so much right now, you know.
00:23:01
Speaker 3: Right, there's something that show that Kerry Washington show, Imperfect Women.
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Speaker 2: I haven't washed it. Yeah, they're trying. Are they good for them? Good for them? The three of them are? Are they all a mess messy? Yeah? Which, well good, I think.
00:23:15
Speaker 1: The thing because that's a limited series, right, Sometimes with the limited series, I feel like you can do things that you can't do in an ongoing show.
00:23:21
Speaker 2: And that's the joy of having all.
00:23:23
Speaker 1: These limited series, right, is that they kind of stand alone and you don't have to have someone buy.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: In in the same way.
00:23:28
Speaker 1: I feel like a show you're asking people to really buy into those characters long term, and now everyone's so concerned like, can we show this, Can we show that?
00:23:35
Speaker 2: Can we do this? Can we do that? What if they smoke a cigarette? Oh my god? God? Right?
00:23:40
Speaker 1: But then I just read the other day like cigarettes are coming back, but that's a villain, a villain who smoke a cigarette.
00:23:46
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, Like how is really.
00:23:48
Speaker 3: Here, Dylan a cigarette? And women who drink are raging alcoholics, which is crazy. Like if a woman throws up, she's pregnant.
00:24:00
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:24:01
Speaker 1: We distilled everything down to just like simple.
00:24:05
Speaker 3: Oat, she has a drink, Oh she has a problem.
00:24:08
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:24:10
Speaker 1: Every single character in Sex and the City drink, I mean a lot too.
00:24:14
Speaker 2: And it was discussed. It's not that it wasn't discussed.
00:24:17
Speaker 1: It was discussed, but it wasn't We weren't villified for it.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And it was sexy and the drinks were pretty.
00:24:24
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and occasionally they would drink too much and then they would regret it. So it wasn't like it was totally fake.
00:24:31
Speaker 2: And carry wasn't carry thrown up or something, and I just well, she drinks.
00:24:36
Speaker 1: Never had a storyline where she throws up on a guy. But they cut it, Oh yeah, because they thought it was too much, which is kind of funny. It was kind of like a horror movie level, you know what I mean. But then I mean, like one time I get food poisoning with Harry, but that was a different that was like because we were so perfect or whatever, like too happy, so we get food poisoning on Valentine's Day. That was just to like make us suffer a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I mean there were different things. I can't really remember carry but people would be hungover, you know what I mean, And people would do stupid things when they drink too much, I think.
00:25:09
Speaker 3: But it's just it was part of it was part of the life, the life and day whatever was.
00:25:15
Speaker 2: But now it's no, I know, you can't do it. It's a different time. I can't do it. Cigarettes. I know it's crazy. It is craziness.
00:25:24
Speaker 1: So you've played all kinds of different characters and cops and whatnot.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: Cops. Do you enjoy the cops? Do you enjoys? I did?
00:25:33
Speaker 3: You do cops and lawyers? But now I'm like wives and that's right. I do a lot of best friend stuff.
00:25:39
Speaker 2: Do you like that or no? It's it's yeah, I mean it's like.
00:25:44
Speaker 3: People like, oh my god, you think you get in typecasts or or I'm like, well, I'll look at it more like it's a niche.
00:25:50
Speaker 2: Yep, you know what I mean, ID it's easier to have a niche.
00:25:54
Speaker 1: I think it is easier to I think so too. I mean that's the alternative, right, and we have known that out right. They're like, oh, you get type ass, and I'm like, yeah, but if I work, it's all fine.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: It's fine. I can make it interesting for myself most definitely, all right, I think that's the key. Yeah, it's just the quality about me, you know. I mean, I think I have a certain gravitaze. I've been told definitely.
00:26:19
Speaker 3: Where people just want to talk to me, which is a great thing, which is the characters are playing. So my brother's like, you guys play the listening characters. So playing cops, I don't play like beat cops. I play like detectives and then what happened? And I play lots of therapists, lots of therapists. I'm a whole therapist. At one small moment playing the boss bitches, which will be fun. Oh that's fund a Boss Bitch season.
00:26:44
Speaker 2: But now now I never.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Get to play cops. I really want to play a cop one day you should.
00:26:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never.
00:26:51
Speaker 1: I did play an FBI agent once, but I was an FBI agent who's undercover with the criminals. And then at a certain point I leave and I'm just an a FA agent and a jacket with the gun. And I was like, oh god, I hope someone doesn't like, I think this is dumb. You always have that fear as an actor, right, not my it's not my niche speaking, but I would like it to be.
00:27:20
Speaker 2: You know, just have a.
00:27:23
Speaker 3: Lot of I mean, because I do the FBI agency, I a detective cop things.
00:27:29
Speaker 2: There's always a lot of all the words, a lot of words, a lot of words than a medical doctor. Better than a medical doctor. I do nurses, not doctors. Oh, nurses, that's a little better. Weird, No, I several interests I know, I know.
00:27:44
Speaker 3: Well except for in Falsettos on Broadway, I play a doctor.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: Well that's important, that's good, I mean, I think also unfortunately, it's like, you know, I do feel like the pit is doing a good job of trying to shake some of this stuff up, because a lot of it is about type casting, right, and like who is a nurse needs to be shaken up a bit? Like they have those male nurses, which is great, and then they have many different women of color and all different things. And then some of them are leaving and they better be, you know, promoting others because you know, we don't want to have stress in that regard. Because they were doing so great, right and all the actors are so good.
00:28:25
Speaker 3: It's like I have to binge it because it stresses me out so badly too that I can't have.
00:28:34
Speaker 2: It be the end. No, I know. I watch it before bed.
00:28:39
Speaker 1: Because I have like a tiny window when my children have gone to bed. But it's too stressful to watch before bed.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.
00:28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good on a plane because you can really just be.
00:28:48
Speaker 2: Went to med school.
00:28:49
Speaker 3: Definitely post too hot. But I'm like, potassium is high. That means something's really wrong with this guy.
00:29:00
Speaker 2: We sack your card? What am I talking? It's just tax car.
00:29:05
Speaker 1: That's a very popular one. That's a very popular one. I have never played a doctor. I don't think that I can think of.
00:29:12
Speaker 2: No I would. I would like to play a doctor, though I do feel like I'd be scared because it's a lot, it's it's a lot of.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Words, but also like the icky, the ick factor, I'm just like, oh lord, I just have to seriously act you want.
00:29:23
Speaker 3: But also you'd be there and you'd see the makeup person thing and like this, this looks cool or that's for sure, very good.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: At your job, right, you know, right, that's good. It doesn't really freak you out because it's just like fake.
00:29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so you see the bells and whistles, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.
00:29:42
Speaker 2: It doesn't only you do it over and over again. It's not you know, it just gets sticky. Yeah, sticky. No, that makes sense.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: I've worked with a lot of dogs and sometimes you have to hide the dog treats and rub baking grease on your hands.
00:29:53
Speaker 2: So yeah, like kind of like that.
00:29:55
Speaker 1: Just like that, you've finished.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You're so excited to see the Devil Worst part of two? Oh, thank you, me too exciting. I've not seen it. Ooh, that's that's going to be a lot. I haven't seen it. I don't think.
00:30:11
Speaker 1: Molly's seen it either. I haven't checked in with her. I needed to check it against. She invited me to go to the premiere, but I couldn't make it. I feel so sad. I would love to go to the premiere. But it's going to be a circus crazy.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: It's going to be really big and crazy, yeah, but fun.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it and taking my partner and my father and my brother.
00:30:34
Speaker 2: The boys. That's great. I love it.
00:30:37
Speaker 1: That's really good. I think it'll be really good. I'm really I have good feelings about it. I'm there to support.
00:30:43
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, get you.
00:30:47
Speaker 1: I want to read bag to put my popcorn in. It's adorable and whoever thought of that?
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Genius? Right? I mean? And even their press tour it's good and it's really good. Marl and Mary Merril and Anna win tour together is fantastic. I'm so glad Meryl talked her into it. It's really good. It's really really great. Yeah.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: We had Chloe mal On before she was named the new head editor of Vogue. She's Candice Bergins's daughter, so we know her. She described herself she's a sex and City nefo. Baby Cannas played. So she came on and I follow her and she said that she had asked Anna a while ago if she would ever think about being on the cover with Marylyn and I was like, no, it's not my style. And Chloe said okay, and kind of dropped it, but then Meryll talked her into it.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: So it's so good. It's iconic, it's fantastic. It is in profile, and loved it so much, and Meryl's having so much fun. Merril's having a good time. I could tell, you know, she's you know. I was like, oh, they're in Korea today. Oh, now they're in Japan. Where they are? I know the city, I know.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: It's fantastic and I love it so much and I want there to be more female led films out there because it's so enjoyable. Yeah, there's so many great women in this movie, exactly, so many exactly.
00:32:05
Speaker 2: I'm so glad it got made. Oh god, we need more. Got to keep it going.
00:32:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming, Thanks for having me.
00:32:14
Speaker 2: This is really fun.
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
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Speaker 1: We have Tracy Tom's with us today. We are going to talk episode five of season four called ghost Town. Do you remember when Carrie takes the plant to scout the new bar that Steve and Aiden have invested in together. So she gets as she Miranda invites her. Oh, she gets an invitation, and she thinks that Aidan must have invited her, and so she's trying to get her mind around that she can go, but then she's so torn about it, right, and then she takes the plant to give well wishes to Steve and she sees him and he's his regular kind of like bubbly, you know, innocent self, and she's so, I know, he's so adorable, really adorable, but he seems so incredibly young. I'm like somewhat taken aback every time time I see him in these older episodes, Like he seems like he's twenty five years old. No, it's interesting, but it's his energy, you know, because he's he's not younger than us.
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Speaker 2: I don't think. I'm not sure, but I.
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Speaker 3: Was surprised actually that he came to do an episode of Cold Case when and I was surprised at how like more mature he was, Yeah, because I was used to him his energy on the show, being like you know whatever, I do, know what you mean, you know, when it came, I was like, Oh, you're growing a.
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Speaker 2: Grown up.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like this Steve in and just like that is more like a grown up too. Right, obviously exists many years later, but it is still surprising to see the young Steve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a bubbly so young.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miranda so much the adult right that it's interesting, but that's probably what works about them. But when Carrie goes to take the plant, I love how they filmed it because they kind of film it spooky, right, like the light is on the street, but it's dark in the bar, and the bars like dark wood and very masculine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very cool.
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Speaker 1: And then you hear Aiden's voice and she runs it's really good bolts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really good.
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Speaker 1: But then the best part, and we're jumping around, but it's okay, the best part is when so then she does go and Samantha comes to to the bar opening, even though she thinks that, so Steve basically says to her like, oh, Aiden didn't invite you, I invited.
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Speaker 2: So then carries all in her head like should invite me? Right right right?
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Speaker 1: But then she ends up going because I think she just so really wants to see him, has built it up.
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Speaker 3: The curiosity would never let her not go. They're all going to go, and she's not gonna go.
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Speaker 2: No, that's where she's happen. It's a worker workers, right.
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Speaker 1: But then she sees him across the room and of course he looks fantastic beautiful, and he nods at her in this very aloof way. He's now the aloof one.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting. That was like she's like, that's it, that's all. That's all I get. I know what you want them to do, I know. But that was so good.
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Speaker 3: So it was so perfec fix she needs that. It was so good at being like, of course it's.
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Speaker 1: Here, right, of course, I know you're here. Of course to go out there and have.
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Speaker 2: That cake scene. It was good. It was so good, so sparkly, so sparkly. I know.
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Speaker 1: But she's uncomfortable and it's nice to see her be uncomfortable because when you think about it, Carrie is not uncomfortable that often. Yeah, she's usually kind of somewhat in charge or trying to be in charge.
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Speaker 2: Like with Big, she's trying to like, what if I do this, or what if I do that?
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Speaker 1: Or what if I show up at the door in this outfit or what if I show up at the door at that outfitter. She's doing all her different carry things. But with Aiden she's kind of thrown off her game, which is.
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Speaker 3: Good, right, because Aiden is so Aiden is so he's so good, you know, such a it's and I love the complexity of it. I love that it's not a show. We're just like, oh, yeah, she's letting up with Big.
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Speaker 2: No, you don't know.
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Speaker 1: When you see she and Corporate together, you like she should end up with Aid, and then back when Big comes back, you're like, she should end with Big because they're all just.
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Speaker 3: So good, also good, and the writing is great and and you don't know, you don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, you don't know. But also isn't that how life is? You don't know who you're supposed to end up with. I don't think no, I mean you might think you know, but I don't know if.
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Speaker 3: You know, no, you think it's going to be you and a certain person on the porch with rocking chairs.
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Speaker 2: With me. I think I knows who knows.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, let's talk about Charlotte for a second. I mean, man, she's in the bedstore with with the mom and Trey, and he's just so he's so innocent in it all I know.
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Speaker 2: But it's.
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Speaker 3: It's like, if I will ever hear a man, a grown man, refer to his mother as mother, Well, mother says this.
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Speaker 2: With a mother, it's a problem. It's a problem. No, I agree, mother.
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Speaker 1: I also feel like if there's a man like let's say over thirty five, and he talks about his mother a lot and or complains about his mother, that's not good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to be worked out. You need to have it worked out. And it haven't worked out.
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Speaker 3: And I also have a tendency to date my mama's voice, you know what I mean, because what's the alternative that it's about it?
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Speaker 2: Who doesn't like his mother?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 2: No, that's not good. That's not good now.
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Speaker 3: So so it's always been there's that negotiation for sure. For sure, you're like, okay, well here's the mom and the Mom's like, this is my son, my prize possession.
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Speaker 2: A son? How do you navigate all this? I don't are you worthy? Right? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Don't you feel that way towards the girls and they're people as well.
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Speaker 2: Something about the mom and the scene.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's not a bottom mom on us, and especially a black mom and a black son.
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Speaker 2: Okay, our family units are like, got it? I always pass by the way? Well, good always do. Of course you pass, but there is a moment of like you are not sure. You have to really, like the.
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Speaker 3: First time that the mom comes to your house and you're like cleaning less terrifying. Of course I can't have a dust anywhere, and that is not my ministry. I'm not like super neat at all. I'm I'm a messy piles of things.
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Speaker 2: I got it, I get it, I am or something. I don't listen.
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Speaker 1: I only have people on who have ad d oh apparently, Yeah, I'm in the right place, totally, totally. Well, this is what brings me up. Also thinking about the tray Bunny Charlotte Triumvirate. Right, you know it's interesting in this episode because you can tell, like in the beginning Charlotte was trying to please Bunny, right, but now to do Yeah, but now Bunny's like obviously shown her cars that she's not really a team Charlotte.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: She's like, you're not good enough, basically, you know, when she's weird. So now Charlotte's kind of like, you know, oh god, and then trying to shop with them, but she doesn't want this hard bed, like Bunny's trying to get her to get another hard bed.
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Speaker 2: Bunny wants you to get.
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Speaker 1: Uffle, right, and she says like that it's unpresentable or some right, And Charlotte's like, you know, and it's so interesting, all the little details, but it makes perfect sense because like the whole detail thing and the detail of the picture that has been important to Charlotte, but this is what she's finding out is not actually.
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Speaker 2: Important, right, which is good? Yeah? Right?
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Speaker 1: And the duck, yeah definitely with duck, my god, duck. Can you imagine having to live with ducks? Mallards? Boo boo?
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Speaker 2: And then he's like, well, mom, Mom, put a lot of time and energy into this, does all of our houses? What?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: I know. It's like the weird part of Trey. You know, it's weird.
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Speaker 4: I was looking at him like, I know, it's not a good look. It's not No, it's not a good look at all. He's like, are you man right right? It's not a sexy thing at all. No, I agree totally. But the thing that's hard for.
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Speaker 1: Me, and of course I have multitudes of layers of this because you know, I was there or whatever. But you know, when he gets sick and she comes over and he just looks up at her, at Bunny, and he's just so adorable and innocent.
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Speaker 2: How can you not love him? Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's adorable, he is, but that was not cute.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: But then like we're all rubbing and rubbing that stuff on, it's just.
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Speaker 2: Break up the no move. I was like, oh god.
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Speaker 1: And also I could just tell this Kyle is about to laugh, like he's trying to lay there because.
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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous you guys are rubbing him him. This is my job, is I'm the woman, This is my Job's kind of crazy. Get out of here, Bunny. And then there is the weird part at the end.
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Speaker 1: We're just going to get to the end because like then we're having sex and I'm on top of him and she barges in and.
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Speaker 2: We're just like hello or something. Yes, she's got the muffins.
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Speaker 1: But then her exit, like when she's all flustered, is so adorable.
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Speaker 2: But she's so good. She's she really is. I love her every time, me too.
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Speaker 3: Her in The Mist. Oh my god, the movie The Mist. That No, that's all I'm gonna say.
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Speaker 2: The Mist. Okay, you guys, we have to go look at Friends as it's a Stephen King. Oh she's horrible. No, no she's not. But the movie is, it's brilliant.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's discuss Samantha and Maria. Man oh man, I mean this thing hasn't lasted long.
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Speaker 3: It's hilarious, though it is. Maria's just still like what are you doing right? Like, who do you think your woman is?
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Speaker 1: I mean, the way they got together at the art show, Maria's art show, it was pretty quick. I don't think she really knew, you know, I don't think she did her research right, you know, but.
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Speaker 2: It seems like it would be obvious.
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Speaker 1: I know, it totally seems obvious. But Maria, it's not that it does.
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Speaker 2: Not seem like a settle down.
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Speaker 1: No, but it is interesting that she wants to try, right, But I feel bad for Maria.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, she does not really want to try.
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Speaker 3: No, she doesn't really want to try. And she thought she was probably trying to be a good person.
00:10:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Samantha is always unapologetic but her stuff. But maybe, like any human being, every now and then like okay, enough, now I've done. Maybe I've been nowt here.
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Speaker 1: Well let's try something different, let's try this, right, Maybe this will definitely.
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Speaker 2: Maybe as I get older, this will be nice.
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Speaker 1: Right, does not want to be sitting in that bathtub. That bathtub scene lasted a long time.
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Speaker 2: It was so uncomfortable, wasn't it. And Maria's just trying.
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Speaker 1: But then Marie is kind of mad, and then Samantha's kind of mad, and Samantha's like, I'm clean and gets out, oh Lord.
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Speaker 2: And jumps other than yes, yes, I don't want to talk anymore. Talk dog, we're talking. Yeah, she's not.
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Speaker 1: She does not want to be in a lesbian thing, because I do think that the lesbians enjoy talking.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes you say that that would be great. Yeah, but then maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.
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Speaker 1: It's not your Samantha for sure, for sure, for sure? All right, Miranda, So this is interesting. There were some conversations between Miranda and Carrie in this episode that I thought were so interesting, where they basically both are asking each other do you still have feelings about Steve?
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Speaker 2: Do you still have feelings about Aiden?
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Speaker 1: And they're both like, I don't think so, And I'm like, do they not know themselves at all?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't even miss right now?
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Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't know how that happens, because obviously if you saw strong enough feelings both of them, strong enough feelings that they're going to like get back together with the people.
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Speaker 2: And not that long, and it's yeah, and it's obvious I don't. I don't. I don't have anything at all. But I do feel like that is to do with your girlfriends right where.
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Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, your headstrong kind of know that you're thinking about them.
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Speaker 3: That'll be fine. Yeah, you know you're thinking about them, right, it's in the past, it's over. And a lot of that might be self preservation because you don't know if the other person still feels away about you telling yourself it's over.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't want we're done.
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Speaker 1: Right, But There is this one weird thing with Miranda and Steve. So she's in her apartment. She thinks she has a ghost, you know, he's opening this bar and she's like, well, that was my idea, and then they have the really sweet.
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Speaker 2: So he gives her credit.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And this is partly why I think they work out, right, is that, like he always does give her credit. You know, she she is kind of seen for what she can contribute, you know, in a way that's really sweet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like he sees the sweet side of her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like, she's all right, it kind of like takes her off away, right.
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Speaker 2: You give me credit? Right? Yeah, why would I give you credit? Right?
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Speaker 1: It's nice, it's really nice exactly, but she expects not to get the credit, and then she gets the credit and she's like wow, oh gosh. But then later she says to Carrie that Carry was supposed to be there with her and that Steve tried to kiss her, but you don't see it. And like when my producers were writing the notes, they were like, that's so weird, and I thought about it, and I do think it's weird because usually you would see something like that, So I don't know, if there was some reason that we don't see it, or if it got cut or I don't know what happened. Like every once in a while we would have like a schedule drama where we couldn't film something like we'd run out of time at a location or something like that. And I wonder, because that would have been at the bar opening, right, I think that's after that, And but that's when Aiden and Carrie.
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Speaker 2: Have the cake scene. Yeah, and it comes out right.
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Speaker 1: Right and says, we're going to make the toast. And usually if we're on location, we're shooting till the sun comes up, you know what I mean, So maybe we ran out of nighttime.
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Speaker 2: I imagine it, yeah, I mean it good imagination exactly. So she just says like, oh, yes, Steve tried to kiss.
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Speaker 1: Me, she says on the phone to carry, which is kind of funny because normally that would be really important and we see it, yeah, but we don't see it. We just hear about it, and she's all like, you know, like it was nothing. But I feel like whenever they're talking Steve and Miranda, you can tell that there's unresolved, but.
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Speaker 2: It's almost to like longing he really.
00:14:26
Speaker 1: He plays longing so well, you're so right, and she doesn't have any longing. No, she doesn't have any This is interesting because longing. Someone was talking about this, some other actress, Amanda Pete was saying that she and oh my god, what's your best friend? Who's in all the Ryan Murphy? Oh uh you know, yes, yes, Sarah Paulson and she were discussing longing as part of rom coms, and it's really interesting concept to think of. I do think it's a central part of romantic comedies that work, so that there's a longing and it might be expressed or it might just be under the surface, but I think it's important, and I think it's something that women really relate to and probably men too, right, Yeah, I don't know, but definitely women. And I think all of us have so much longing for so many things, right and different things at different times of life or whatever. But I think it's also interesting because sometimes it's that thing that you don't want to admit. You don't want to admit that you're longing for this. I think that's one of the good things about Charlotte is Charlotte always admits that she's belonging right, she wears it on her sleeve belonging, whereas Carrie it's kind of like covered, covered, and even covered from herself. So Miranda saying like, do you still have feelings for Aid? And she's like no, no, no, no, no.
00:15:45
Speaker 2: Just went into exactly, I can't go, I can't go exactly what's fine?
00:15:53
Speaker 1: It was fine, exactly, and it was disappointed that he just looks at her. Right, it's interesting, it's interesting. But I do think that we that we do this, you know, just like we don't want to admit you know.
00:16:06
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was longing and then there's pain and suffering and sadness that comes if you don't get what you want and longing for too long, and.
00:16:15
Speaker 2: That it's sad that it becomes to allow. Right, fine line, fine line.
00:16:21
Speaker 1: I remember when we did the first movie and there's that whole New Year's Eve sequence where Carrie puts on her coat to go out to Miranda's and they played that really song sad version of old Lang Syne. Oh yeah, yeah, h do you remember this. It's like Scottish or Irish or something, and it's kind of like really leaning into your feelings, and Sir Jessica said, to me. I said, oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that song choice, and she was like, no, no, it's really good. It's really good because you know, we women, we like to push on our bruises.
00:16:52
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, that's so smart, sir. Oh, I know, right, ye, I thought to myself, very right. And I also thought like, that's what movies are for. That is what they're for. You're supposed to sit in your feelings, you know what I mean. It's a way. It's a way, and you can.
00:17:08
Speaker 3: Start getting this is gonna get really weird. You start to get addicted to the feeling.
00:17:14
Speaker 2: Of wallowing and longing because you just feel right Limerens. I think they call that limits.
00:17:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you just get addicted to feelings.
00:17:23
Speaker 1: It comes like a cycle in your brain. Yeah, it's not healthy. No, you got to break out. It's also anything that's so true.
00:17:30
Speaker 3: I just learned that reason I can't get over people I break.
00:17:34
Speaker 2: Up with that that's important because it's got to move on. That's right.
00:17:39
Speaker 1: But I also think like, if you think about art and movies, that's why it's important, is to go in the experience, in the darkness with the strangers have the feelings and then walk out and then right, yeah, like Catharsis like the original idea of theater.
00:17:54
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I remember the firs. I saw the notebook. It was like that, Oh yeah, I was in a notebook. I was in it and that's that was really yeah. And I was in it with this dude.
00:18:08
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, you know what I mean, book right in the middle of the notebook while it was in and I was just like in consult, I was crying so and I'm about a crier.
00:18:17
Speaker 2: I'm not like an emotional person. I'm a crier. I'm not I'm not an emotional person. So if it gets me, it's it's.
00:18:27
Speaker 3: I was crying so hard. I was laughing at myself. I was just, OK, that's true, Catharsis. I think that's literally coming.
00:18:38
Speaker 2: On your body.
00:18:39
Speaker 3: And I took my friend to see if I was crazy, and the same thing happened to her.
00:18:43
Speaker 2: For sure, Notebook's really good.
00:18:45
Speaker 1: She was. No.
00:18:47
Speaker 2: I was just a plane.
00:18:48
Speaker 1: I was on a ten hour flight and I'd seen everything and the notebook was there, and I was like should I And there was like no, I can't go there. So I watched The Nurse again instead, because that's a different type.
00:19:00
Speaker 2: You don't, I'm saying. But I was like, I can't, I can't. I can't watch the Place of the Notebook. I can't ever watch that movie again. Right.
00:19:05
Speaker 3: And what's more is my mom died of Alzheimer's. I really really can't see it. To dad, Dad, don't ever watch that.
00:19:15
Speaker 2: No, general break your heart. I think it's a it's a good movie.
00:19:20
Speaker 3: And my dad, if you know what's good for you, because I'm not here to tell you not to watch.
00:19:26
Speaker 2: It, right, I mean he also might need his own thing, right. No, that's hard like that or like away from her? Not movie away from her? Who is that? I feel like I saw that. Yeah, it wasn't Julian Moore? Was it?
00:19:39
Speaker 3: No?
00:19:39
Speaker 2: No, no, no no?
00:19:40
Speaker 1: What was the one with Julian Moore? Gets early on set? Oh, I don't know if with al Baldwin. She goes to the blackboard and writes her number on it and then she can't remember the number.
00:19:48
Speaker 2: So it's really good.
00:19:49
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, said good job. She was great, so great. Wait what's away from her?
00:19:56
Speaker 2: Away from her? She was on my friend Oscar for two.
00:20:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, she yes, so good and basically away from her.
00:20:05
Speaker 2: She gets diagnosed.
00:20:06
Speaker 3: Well, she she was with her husband and they're like this long term loving relationship, across country skiing all the time and very fit active. You have white people. And one day she's coming. She's cross country skiing and she has no idea where she is. She's she's like, gets lost, horrible, And then she does it every day, you know, she does the same ski thing every day, and she gets lost in the woods and she only gets home.
00:20:31
Speaker 2: She only gets here. She's like, I horrible.
00:20:35
Speaker 3: Didn't know where it was. I couldn't get home. She said, something's wrong, something's wrong.
00:20:40
Speaker 2: So you just got turned on.
00:20:41
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no, I do this every day. Something's wrong. Gets her diagnosis. So then she goes, so she picks out her own care facility. So she goes and visits care facilities and picks it out for herself.
00:20:53
Speaker 2: And another husband's.
00:20:54
Speaker 3: Kind of like in denial about it, like no, no, no, no, no, could be fun. I want to live here. I don't want you to take care of me.
00:21:00
Speaker 2: Whatever.
00:21:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she's in and then she starts to like deteriorate, and he's visiting her every day, and then she gets a boyfriend in the facility. What Yeah, she doesn't remember him. Yeah, so he has to the husband has has to watch this happening with another person.
00:21:20
Speaker 2: I know this movie and the doctors are like this.
00:21:22
Speaker 3: Happens sometimes they just and they just found some kind of connection. It's not personal, and it's not you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's really also, Dad, don't watch that much.
00:21:36
Speaker 2: Right, I get it. I get it.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: I have a really person question. You kind of said it brow and to ask you anyway, Tracy, are you a Charlotte?
00:21:55
Speaker 3: I am a Charlotte, adorable, you really really be a Charlotte.
00:22:01
Speaker 2: And then now you're more like morand okay, or more Miranda altogether.
00:22:05
Speaker 3: I'm a Charlotte, Miranda mixed. Like that combo, the combo. I think it's a good combo.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: I think it's a great combo in terms of like day to day life. That's a really good combo.
00:22:15
Speaker 3: Someone who can like identify their feelings about things and allow themselves to be passionate about it, but also regulate yourself in a way that you don't make really bad stupid decisions.
00:22:29
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the truth is, Miranda and Charlotte both have made their parent made stupid decisions because they're human beings. Yes, And that's one of the great things about looking back at the show is everybody was imperfect, which I guess they can't really right now.
00:22:42
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, it is hard.
00:22:45
Speaker 3: We're in a weird placement for art.
00:22:49
Speaker 1: Right and also just for like what's getting greenlit for the streamers. You know, it's not a time where people are thinking like, well, let's celebrate imperfect characters. That's not really happening so much right now, you know.
00:23:01
Speaker 3: Right, there's something that show that Kerry Washington show, Imperfect Women.
00:23:05
Speaker 2: I haven't washed it. Yeah, they're trying. Are they good for them? Good for them? The three of them are? Are they all a mess messy? Yeah? Which, well good, I think.
00:23:15
Speaker 1: The thing because that's a limited series, right, Sometimes with the limited series, I feel like you can do things that you can't do in an ongoing show.
00:23:21
Speaker 2: And that's the joy of having all.
00:23:23
Speaker 1: These limited series, right, is that they kind of stand alone and you don't have to have someone buy.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: In in the same way.
00:23:28
Speaker 1: I feel like a show you're asking people to really buy into those characters long term, and now everyone's so concerned like, can we show this, Can we show that?
00:23:35
Speaker 2: Can we do this? Can we do that? What if they smoke a cigarette? Oh my god? God? Right?
00:23:40
Speaker 1: But then I just read the other day like cigarettes are coming back, but that's a villain, a villain who smoke a cigarette.
00:23:46
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, Like how is really.
00:23:48
Speaker 3: Here, Dylan a cigarette? And women who drink are raging alcoholics, which is crazy. Like if a woman throws up, she's pregnant.
00:24:00
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:24:01
Speaker 1: We distilled everything down to just like simple.
00:24:05
Speaker 3: Oat, she has a drink, Oh she has a problem.
00:24:08
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:24:10
Speaker 1: Every single character in Sex and the City drink, I mean a lot too.
00:24:14
Speaker 2: And it was discussed. It's not that it wasn't discussed.
00:24:17
Speaker 1: It was discussed, but it wasn't We weren't villified for it.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And it was sexy and the drinks were pretty.
00:24:24
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, and occasionally they would drink too much and then they would regret it. So it wasn't like it was totally fake.
00:24:31
Speaker 2: And carry wasn't carry thrown up or something, and I just well, she drinks.
00:24:36
Speaker 1: Never had a storyline where she throws up on a guy. But they cut it, Oh yeah, because they thought it was too much, which is kind of funny. It was kind of like a horror movie level, you know what I mean. But then I mean, like one time I get food poisoning with Harry, but that was a different that was like because we were so perfect or whatever, like too happy, so we get food poisoning on Valentine's Day. That was just to like make us suffer a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I mean there were different things. I can't really remember carry but people would be hungover, you know what I mean, And people would do stupid things when they drink too much, I think.
00:25:09
Speaker 3: But it's just it was part of it was part of the life, the life and day whatever was.
00:25:15
Speaker 2: But now it's no, I know, you can't do it. It's a different time. I can't do it. Cigarettes. I know it's crazy. It is craziness.
00:25:24
Speaker 1: So you've played all kinds of different characters and cops and whatnot.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: Cops. Do you enjoy the cops? Do you enjoys? I did?
00:25:33
Speaker 3: You do cops and lawyers? But now I'm like wives and that's right. I do a lot of best friend stuff.
00:25:39
Speaker 2: Do you like that or no? It's it's yeah, I mean it's like.
00:25:44
Speaker 3: People like, oh my god, you think you get in typecasts or or I'm like, well, I'll look at it more like it's a niche.
00:25:50
Speaker 2: Yep, you know what I mean, ID it's easier to have a niche.
00:25:54
Speaker 1: I think it is easier to I think so too. I mean that's the alternative, right, and we have known that out right. They're like, oh, you get type ass, and I'm like, yeah, but if I work, it's all fine.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: It's fine. I can make it interesting for myself most definitely, all right, I think that's the key. Yeah, it's just the quality about me, you know. I mean, I think I have a certain gravitaze. I've been told definitely.
00:26:19
Speaker 3: Where people just want to talk to me, which is a great thing, which is the characters are playing. So my brother's like, you guys play the listening characters. So playing cops, I don't play like beat cops. I play like detectives and then what happened? And I play lots of therapists, lots of therapists. I'm a whole therapist. At one small moment playing the boss bitches, which will be fun. Oh that's fund a Boss Bitch season.
00:26:44
Speaker 2: But now now I never.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Get to play cops. I really want to play a cop one day you should.
00:26:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never.
00:26:51
Speaker 1: I did play an FBI agent once, but I was an FBI agent who's undercover with the criminals. And then at a certain point I leave and I'm just an a FA agent and a jacket with the gun. And I was like, oh god, I hope someone doesn't like, I think this is dumb. You always have that fear as an actor, right, not my it's not my niche speaking, but I would like it to be.
00:27:20
Speaker 2: You know, just have a.
00:27:23
Speaker 3: Lot of I mean, because I do the FBI agency, I a detective cop things.
00:27:29
Speaker 2: There's always a lot of all the words, a lot of words, a lot of words than a medical doctor. Better than a medical doctor. I do nurses, not doctors. Oh, nurses, that's a little better. Weird, No, I several interests I know, I know.
00:27:44
Speaker 3: Well except for in Falsettos on Broadway, I play a doctor.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: Well that's important, that's good, I mean, I think also unfortunately, it's like, you know, I do feel like the pit is doing a good job of trying to shake some of this stuff up, because a lot of it is about type casting, right, and like who is a nurse needs to be shaken up a bit? Like they have those male nurses, which is great, and then they have many different women of color and all different things. And then some of them are leaving and they better be, you know, promoting others because you know, we don't want to have stress in that regard. Because they were doing so great, right and all the actors are so good.
00:28:25
Speaker 3: It's like I have to binge it because it stresses me out so badly too that I can't have.
00:28:34
Speaker 2: It be the end. No, I know. I watch it before bed.
00:28:39
Speaker 1: Because I have like a tiny window when my children have gone to bed. But it's too stressful to watch before bed.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.
00:28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good on a plane because you can really just be.
00:28:48
Speaker 2: Went to med school.
00:28:49
Speaker 3: Definitely post too hot. But I'm like, potassium is high. That means something's really wrong with this guy.
00:29:00
Speaker 2: We sack your card? What am I talking? It's just tax car.
00:29:05
Speaker 1: That's a very popular one. That's a very popular one. I have never played a doctor. I don't think that I can think of.
00:29:12
Speaker 2: No I would. I would like to play a doctor, though I do feel like I'd be scared because it's a lot, it's it's a lot of.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Words, but also like the icky, the ick factor, I'm just like, oh lord, I just have to seriously act you want.
00:29:23
Speaker 3: But also you'd be there and you'd see the makeup person thing and like this, this looks cool or that's for sure, very good.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: At your job, right, you know, right, that's good. It doesn't really freak you out because it's just like fake.
00:29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so you see the bells and whistles, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.
00:29:42
Speaker 2: It doesn't only you do it over and over again. It's not you know, it just gets sticky. Yeah, sticky. No, that makes sense.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: I've worked with a lot of dogs and sometimes you have to hide the dog treats and rub baking grease on your hands.
00:29:53
Speaker 2: So yeah, like kind of like that.
00:29:55
Speaker 1: Just like that, you've finished.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You're so excited to see the Devil Worst part of two? Oh, thank you, me too exciting. I've not seen it. Ooh, that's that's going to be a lot. I haven't seen it. I don't think.
00:30:11
Speaker 1: Molly's seen it either. I haven't checked in with her. I needed to check it against. She invited me to go to the premiere, but I couldn't make it. I feel so sad. I would love to go to the premiere. But it's going to be a circus crazy.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: It's going to be really big and crazy, yeah, but fun.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it and taking my partner and my father and my brother.
00:30:34
Speaker 2: The boys. That's great. I love it.
00:30:37
Speaker 1: That's really good. I think it'll be really good. I'm really I have good feelings about it. I'm there to support.
00:30:43
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, get you.
00:30:47
Speaker 1: I want to read bag to put my popcorn in. It's adorable and whoever thought of that?
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Genius? Right? I mean? And even their press tour it's good and it's really good. Marl and Mary Merril and Anna win tour together is fantastic. I'm so glad Meryl talked her into it. It's really good. It's really really great. Yeah.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: We had Chloe mal On before she was named the new head editor of Vogue. She's Candice Bergins's daughter, so we know her. She described herself she's a sex and City nefo. Baby Cannas played. So she came on and I follow her and she said that she had asked Anna a while ago if she would ever think about being on the cover with Marylyn and I was like, no, it's not my style. And Chloe said okay, and kind of dropped it, but then Meryll talked her into it.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: So it's so good. It's iconic, it's fantastic. It is in profile, and loved it so much, and Meryl's having so much fun. Merril's having a good time. I could tell, you know, she's you know. I was like, oh, they're in Korea today. Oh, now they're in Japan. Where they are? I know the city, I know.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: It's fantastic and I love it so much and I want there to be more female led films out there because it's so enjoyable. Yeah, there's so many great women in this movie, exactly, so many exactly.
00:32:05
Speaker 2: I'm so glad it got made. Oh god, we need more. Got to keep it going.
00:32:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming, Thanks for having me.
00:32:14
Speaker 2: This is really fun.