Feb. 2, 2026
Stamp of Approval with Marcia Cross (S3 E13 "Escape From New York")
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RSS Feed From NYC to Melrose Place! Kristin is joined by her former Melrose Place co-star Marcia Cross (aka KIMBERLY SHAW). After reminiscing about their Melrose days (including Kristin’s untimely death in that Melrose Pool!), Kristin and Marcia go deep in to the LA episode of Sex and the City. And, in a wild twist, Kristin and Marcia SHARE A HUSBAND!
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today? I have the most special guest. It's Marcia Cross. Everybody, I cannot wait for you to hear our conversation. I'm sure you all know Marcia. Marcia is incredible. Her breakout role was in nineteen ninety two as doctor Kimberly Shaw on Melo's Place. We were on the show together, and then she became hugely well known as bree Vandercamp on Desperate Housewives, where Kyle McLaughlin played her husband. I mean, the connections that I have with this woman go back so far, and we're going to have a lot, a lot of a lot of fun. So thanks for joining us. Okay, everybody is so exciting joining us. Are you a Charlotte? Is the amazing, the fantastic Marcia Cross.
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Speaker 2: My god, I just thought, am I a Charlotte? No? But I've always wanted to be a Charlotte.
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Speaker 1: We can get to that at the end.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I put a pin in that I will remember to get back there. Okay, this is the thing, you guys, we are talking about one of the LA episodes is the first one. It's to Escape from New York. And I've wanted to have Marcia on since the beginning that I started that podcast, and you know, life has been taking her in many places. So I'm happy that there was a little opening that you could do this episode because when I think of the nineties, I think of Marcia, because I spent literally like a huge chunk of the nineties with you running around Santa Monica. You know, we were filming up in Calabasas. Oh yeah, that's right, right, we were shooping around Brentwood. Yes, I mean apparently occasionally going out into the world because there are pictures of us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love those pictures. I'm like, oh, look at us for babies totally.
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Speaker 1: But I did not feel like a baby at the time, did you.
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Speaker 3: Of course not right now, you don't feel like a baby, you told me later, you go like, oh my god, I was twelve, right, right, I mean I felt like we were like seasoned so more than me, you know, I did, right, Oh yeah, right, But now I look back on it and we're like, oh, we're little children.
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Speaker 2: You know what I could have told myself back then, I know, I know, and.
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Speaker 1: People sometimes ask me that, like, what would you tell yourself? And I say that I would tell myself, you know, take a breath, Everything's going to be fine. Yeah, because I just remember so much kind of like angst.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel.
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Speaker 3: Like my angst at that age was like, am I gonna have a family? I feel like that was my big angst at the time, for sure. For sure, for sure we talked a lot about I remember, in relationships and what we wanted and what we didn't want, and we were trying to figure all that out. But I think that's exactly what you should be doing.
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Speaker 2: I know, but I wish someone had told me that it was going to be fine.
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Speaker 3: There was totally so much pain I couldn't avoided, of course, of course.
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Speaker 1: Of course, but I also feel and I think this was more so for me than you. You know, Am I going to be successful? I think was probably my bigger thing at the time. I don't even think I wanted kids at the time. I hadn't gotten there yet.
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Speaker 2: No, you haven't, you have, You're you're in a different place. I was free, if.
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Speaker 1: I was very free. Yes, that's the word we could use, right, Yeah, Yeah, I know I was worried about being successful too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was very Yeah, we.
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Speaker 1: Were pretty focused. I feel like, like, you know, we did we did Roy London. Sometimes I forget to explain it to our listeners. Sometimes I'm just like rolling with it and I'm like, oh my god, they don't know who we're talking about. So there was this incredible teacher, and we were both lucky enough to find ourselves there. His name was Roy London. He was really just a genius human being in so many ways. Yes, And for me, so I'd come from New York. You go to Juilliard. So Marcia had been classically trained, like in the old school way, right, ready for Shakespeare. Yes, yes, which is what I'm doing now, don't forget, which is fantastic, but like not necessarily going to prepare you for television in the nineties, exactly right. And for me, I'd gone to Bill Asper Retgers, which was my start training sol a little bit less classics but still pretty serious. Right. And then I remember starting to audition in New York and just being like, I don't know what to do with these scripts. They'd give you these little TV just one scene from a show, and you tried to make this good and it was impossible. So when I came to LA I think I just heard on the streets or whatever, you know, you should go check out Roy. And it was like just lightning in a bottle in that room.
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Speaker 2: Life changing, right, yeah, all those people.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 3: The thing I loved about Roy, which we didn't really understand until after the fact, was I always tell people.
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Speaker 2: You never did a scene just to do a scene. You did a scene to save your life.
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Speaker 3: Yes, like if you could ever, like you had to everything with the stakes were always top top top. I always feel like that's where I learned to act, like in terms of putting.
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Speaker 2: It all together. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think everything changed for me after that like that because.
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Speaker 1: He knew how like and also do you remember when we would first get to class, he would just talk for a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: I forgot about stories. He was just such a he loved life and he was so full of life, and the stories were fascinating, and there were lessons in the stories, like one one really weird lesson I just thought of recently because I had a different guest on who told me she fell in love with her co star and then he broke her heart and I was.
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, see that's a rule. Do you remember Roy.
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Speaker 1: Used to be like, don't your costars say be gone right, save it for on screen and then after you're done you can do it because it's.
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Speaker 2: Probably not going to work out.
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Speaker 1: That was a really good lesson.
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Speaker 3: Don't you think he's so right right right?
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Speaker 2: Like he lives on in us.
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Speaker 1: And so anyways, that was a kind of a trite I guess whatever, but I think it wasn't try to okay, because you take all that chemical and all that stuff that's going on, and it's said you can't do it, you're not doing it.
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Speaker 3: That keeps it, you know, blive right, Then what if you do it? And then you're like, oh, that was not what I wanted, And then you have.
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Speaker 1: To definitely right, it's hampered your your actual creativity and the energetics of it. And I feel like that was the thing that Roy was so special about. And as you said he would. He taught us how to take a really lame scene on the page because obviously in film and TV sometimes this each scene art is not great, right, and how to kind of put something on top of it that meant something to you in that moment where you had steaks that may not even have been in the scene, but it made.
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Speaker 2: It interesting pretty much how I do all my work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing to think about. I did get into some trouble, I mean mostly on Melrose. I'm trying to think a little bit on the beginning of Sex and City because I'd spent so many years auditioning and going to Roy, Like I used to go to Roy four nights a week, right, you would just observed, right, so you'd have one class that was yours and then three nights that you'd audit, and you learned so much from watching him work with others that it was just a joy to go to.
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Speaker 2: Wish I could do it right now.
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Speaker 1: I know, me to Roy, be present with us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rory is since pasted.
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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons he was so brilliant was that he he had aids and nobody knew it. And unfortunately I don't know where it was like out of.
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Speaker 1: Nowhere, sudden, sudden, sudden, sudden, so so upset it breaks my heart, I know, needless. It seems so needless when you think about it.
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Speaker 3: Because it seemed like it wasn't exactly in the throes of everything right when everybody was passing, it was like you know not you know, it felt like it was much later a second.
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Speaker 1: And he really just was the most vibrant.
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Speaker 2: Would have never nothing sickly about him.
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Speaker 1: He was like full of full, full of life anyway. No, I know, it's it's it's otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's going like writing down, let's go.
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Speaker 1: London is with us in spirit and in our memories, in our hearts, thankfully, but the thing is never the thing. Yes, good good, And I remember the energy of us, like like the kind of I mean striving sounds like a negative word, but like the excitement. No, we were dedicated, right, I love that too. It was really special and the group of people who was there was amazing and really like there was such energy in the room, you know, And whenever I would see one of them succeed, I'd be like, oh, I've taught a class lately, and I'm like, don't you where's all your stuff? This is not a place like bring everything but the kitchen sinking.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And then these kids come in and they don't have anything, and I'm like, you can't fold that crappy pretend laundry.
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Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again.
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Speaker 2: I mean I'm like, do something specific that's so good?
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Speaker 1: Remember, yes, No, it's you know, we'd come in with like, yeah, we reserve like every day, like that was our lives. But when we weren't rehearsing, this is what I remember about us. And this might have been when we had already been on Melrose. I don't know, but like, do you remember the magazine stands? Oh yeah, and we there were like two or three that were like our hunts, right, you know, so like let's say we didn't have an auditional, we didn't have a class or whatever. You know, we would like go to yoga and then we would go, let's go by the magazine stand and they don't.
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Speaker 2: Even exist no more.
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Speaker 3: I so crazy, not even those fun yoga schools too, Like I know, it was way back.
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Speaker 1: It was way back before yoga. I mean, now there's yoga works on every corner, but like back in the day, you know, there were it was one one place on Montana yoga works, the true yoga works, and people would say like, oh, is it a religion. I remember so many people asking me that isn't that isn't this so so so different? I know, that's really obvious. But it's like and there was also we would go down to the promenade and there was that magazine stand in the middle. We would like get coffee.
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Speaker 3: I kind of forgot about all about that place, all right, So you remember more real are really random things, Okay, random? Tell you what I remember when I'm driving in my car because Kristen used to always get.
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Speaker 1: In the car and she'd take her foot and put it up on the dashboard. I was going to show my black socks.
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Speaker 2: True and so true.
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Speaker 3: I started doing it, and so I drive like that now and there isn't a time I do it where I don't think of Kristen.
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Speaker 2: I go, there's yeah, that's a door.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what I found out about myself? Because yes, I still do it, and I take my shoe off, right, you know, I can just put my bare foot up there. And it is kind of I think, in some ways a Southern thing, right because like you would be you don't know, you know, because like you'd be out on the back roads, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: No, it is more meaning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also cut a scan and I have scoliosis in my lower Actually this is why it's comfortable. Oh right, that makes sense because it's twisted.
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Speaker 2: My lower is twisted.
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Speaker 1: So I need to take the pressure off in the car because you're you can't really change your position, right. So I just recently found this out O.
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Speaker 3: Me too, which I don't like. Actually, I know, I know, but not that we need to go down that road.
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Speaker 1: But it's an interesting maybe that's why it's so, I know, I was. I mean, it's I still do it, you know what I mean. It's kind of a needed thing because you spend so much time in the car in LA. That's so funny. What a random thing that you remember. And very true, Very true, Marshall, very true. I also remember, so you had your adorable house.
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Speaker 2: I did. I still have it?
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Speaker 1: You still have it? I have it? Yeah, I still go to doctor.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you do.
00:11:29
Speaker 1: I do? Thirty years later, said kids.
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Speaker 2: And they're all grown up there.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to Stanford and one graduated from Harvard.
00:11:36
Speaker 2: Yeah I knew that was coming.
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Speaker 1: They're doing great, they're doing great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I still go to ham and I drive by that house.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, I mean it's rented.
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Speaker 1: But oh good, that's so smart, so smart.
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Speaker 2: I know, I just loved it. I could never sell it.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a good house. Oh it was a good house. I know.
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Speaker 2: It's so like me too.
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Speaker 1: And then I went and I rented a house that reminded me of your house, because I was like, this is where I should do like Marcia's she knows what to do. So I'm going to try to Do you remember this house? Of course I do. Yes, they have totally redone it. It's unrecognizable. Sometimes we have to go back way because I live not that far from there now and I go to my kids, like I used to live in that house, but it didn't look like that, but but it was there in that spot. It's like a big two story thing now. But you know, to me, you were like somebody who was already successful. To me, you seemed very grounded and you know, knowledgeable, right, And that's partly why I was like, I'm gonna you know, I'm going to try to learn from Marsha, right, Like I don't know if I said that, but I know I thought that.
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Speaker 2: No, but that's the sweetest thing ever. It's true.
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Speaker 1: But also you were not so much ahead of me that I felt like we couldn't relate. We were the same We were in it, you know, we were in it, and we liked the same things, and we were interested in the same things, and I just remember being like fun. And I remember that when I did get sex in the city, people would say to us, you know, well, who spends this much time with your girlfriend? I was like, well, I've just spent like three solid years with rush across you, and thank god, right, I'm so thankful for that time there was someone who I could trust, you know, in the bigger situation that we were in, which is not like it was horrible, but it was, you know, unclear what was going to happen. You kind of needed an anchor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like I am an anchor. Yeah, I mean I just.
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Speaker 1: In a great way. Yeah, in a great, great way.
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Speaker 3: You are an anchor, grounded and crazy at the same time. But yeah, I've got I mean.
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Speaker 1: Crazy in the way that you need to be, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, you have enough of an understanding of human nature to play the different things that you have to play.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I can bet a gamut.
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Speaker 1: My Hyundai hot take this week is Matthew McConaughey being his utmost McConaughey's self. I guess he was the last minute casting based on the fact that we wanted someone else that we maybe didn't get. I've got to get to the bottom of it all. But what I remember of Matthew is that he came and he ad libbed, and not only that, but there was apparently a glass coffee table in the set office, and he jumped on it and shattered it, which I think is just so him. And when I watch it, I can one hundred percent believe that he is a living and that Sarah Jusica is just honestly responding in the moment to whatever Matthew is saying or doing. And I really enjoyed watching the scene and I wanted to replay it again. So Matthew McConaughey my Hyundai hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, just like Hyundai when I went to Melrose, when I got Melrose, which you were already there, right, So you did that since the beginning, I think, right, or not the beginning, but like at some point yet right I came, certainly because I came kind of kind of late. I think I don't know how long it went, but whatever. And you know you've been in Roy for so long, right, Yes, And I just wanted to be so good, you know what I mean. And I just wanted to, you know, like do my best in a situation that didn't necessarily want that correct.
00:15:19
Speaker 2: I wanted to get the shot, let's.
00:15:21
Speaker 1: Go exactly hurry up because those.
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Speaker 3: Were shooting today exactly exactly right.
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Speaker 1: And there were a few things that I did that I think back on where I'm like, I cannot believe I did these things. But it was all from the Roy perspective of like, you do what you have to do in a scene. Yes, Like I was often working with Andrew Shue, who was more of a soccer player, you know, type of a personality like athletic and to the point and let's get it done. And I would mess with them in scenes like I would mess with them to try to like get them like present or whatever. Yes, And I remember you to get really mad at.
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Speaker 2: Me, and I feel it really taking the right thing. Well, yeah, I do that.
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Speaker 3: If I'm on stage like I was doing, you know, I do something and if the person starts to like zone out, you know, I don't stick to anything I just get.
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Speaker 2: I just go for that moment and grab them back. So I think it's totally feel better.
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Speaker 1: That makes them feel better, because when I think back, I'm like, oh wow, he must have just been super irritated that he got this.
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Speaker 3: It probably brought me to life, you know, and got him out of his comfort zone. I thought so yes, I mean, I thought so right. I'm totally in favor of it.
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Speaker 1: So we have such similar sensibilities. So let's just recap a little bit before we talk about that episode Just Life. So we're running around, it's the nineties. We're going to Roy which is like just joy, and you feel like, I think it bridged the gap between like, Okay, you're going on all these crazy auditions, you're driving here, you're driving there, remember all of this, Like Warner Brothers.
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Speaker 3: No, Like I feel like I lived at that. Warner Brothers can even understand what they get. Like four times the day you get sides, go home, do the drive there, four times of data, change your location, change your outfit, put the stuff in the car. You know, Oh my god, I had this crappy little red car, remember, and there's just no air conditioning And like.
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Speaker 1: Me too, yeah, anyway. Sorry, And so you're in that, which is kind of hard, right, but then you also have this joy of going to Roy that feels very connected and he's working with people who are doing movies and he's talking about the scripts, and it made you feel like, yes, I can do it. It can be done right. This is the way to do it, and the way that it works and the way that it's fun right, like it had it added fun to it. And I love that part. And I'm so so thankful for him, you know, and the whole the whole class being there. And then so then we're up there. I get on the show We're up there in Calabasas, where of the heck desert right filming, which was so freaky and weird.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like that anymore. No, it's all built up.
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Speaker 3: And I mean I'm been up there lately, but the times that I have been up there, I'm like, oh my.
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Speaker 1: Gosh, you know, really wow. All I remember is Target, which we called Targe. Yes, that was the only place to go at lunch, so we didn't or it was on in twenty five degrees exactly.
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Speaker 2: Betrayer.
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Speaker 1: I had to be in your trailer. Yeah, it was really odd and you had really no sense that you were doing something that was a big deal or whatever.
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Speaker 3: It was very no are you kidding? No, although I did pretend every time I did a scene like, Okay, it's crazy and I'm Michelle Pfeiffer and these are the.
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Speaker 1: Steaks smarty in my smart Listen. I tried over there. I tried. I don't think my my things were as lofty. I was like, I'm going to get Andrew shoot to you know, pay attention to me. That's what I would do. That that was your hill to climb. But I was crazy, so I had for you. But that's why you were incredible. Yeah, so incredible, So, oh my god, are you kidding? Super incredible scene. So then I they kill me and I remember, like you die, I don't remember I died. I died in the pool. I died in the pool. I died in the pool, but I don't know why. I got drunk and I fell.
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Speaker 2: In the pool. Oh that's great.
00:19:04
Speaker 1: I liked that. It was the best part of my whole characters good decade. And then they had they weighted me down and had me sink in my hair.
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Speaker 3: Oh okayos, yes, yes, Then I was a ghost, that's right.
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Speaker 1: We were getting there right like wacky things, wacky things. And then so then I get fired, but you're still on uh huh. And then but I don't know for how how long, but you're still living in your house. I'm still living in my house. I think we were still hanging yeah, right, yeah, and then I like sometime goes by where I don't know what's going to happen, and then I get sex and the city.
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Speaker 3: I remember it totally perfectly. You do, please tell them, well, I just remember you getting the job. But I remember saying to you, this is going to change your life, no way, oh yes, oh yes, I don't remember that I knew. I was like, this is a big deal, and I said this is going to change your life because I knew the people involved were good and it was a great idea and it just you know, you just know, like, yes, I think I knew that about Desperate, but I just didn't because that's the next thing that interesting total Yeah.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: I mean I felt in my gut like I really wanted to be a part of it, but I didn't necessarily feel that it would be all that it came.
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Speaker 3: Did I remember saying it to you probably didn't like you know, but I just remember. I even remember where I was standing. Maybe we're on the phone or something. Wow, Like I remember I was in my little laundry area. In my heart was like, I just remember, wow, right there.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: And so then soon after you get Desperate Housewives.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I remember some times.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a great sense of time either. This podcast is actually helping me kind of categorize things, yes, because I can look at years like, oh, yes, this is two thousand. I remember two thousand because it was the year before two thousand and one, which was obviously a very changing year for the world and definitely for our country. But I feel so this is what I remember. I remember you came to the one of our La premieres. Well, we did such a thing. Low key premiere is loose word, right, We would show two episodes. There's pictures of us there. We're showing our lower abdomen. Oh my god.
00:21:08
Speaker 3: Really, yes, I'd like to see it now because it was probably very flat.
00:21:13
Speaker 1: It looks great. Let me tell you, we both look great. We both look great, and I know we didn't necessarily feel that way. It's not, but we look fantastic. And then there's like funny pictures. This would have been Melrose type. I can put all these pictures on Instagram when we when we put this up, there's pictures of us. I think at a Melrose event might have been like one hundredth episode.
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Speaker 3: I do think, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what's happening.
00:21:39
Speaker 1: You know, I look like a child, like a little child. I'm meaning cake or something. I don't know. And they repost them on Instagram as us both being col McLaughlin's fictional wives.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: Yes, how about that? How crazy is that guy?
00:21:56
Speaker 1: Insane? Which I like in a certain way. I don't know that I was ever full aware, you know what I mean? Like like the craziness that he comes on our show. He was only supposed to do five Yeah, we can't part with him. We love him so much. Did he leaves our show? He comes to your show? He was only supposed to be one season. He told us, Oh, then you don't even know that you're supposed.
00:22:15
Speaker 2: To be the killer of Kyle. Yeah, I was a killer. Apparently I had no idea.
00:22:19
Speaker 1: I know me neither. This is what he told us when he came on the pod and then he said, no, I love this job. I want to stay, and it's.
00:22:26
Speaker 2: So great that you got him.
00:22:28
Speaker 1: And then he stayed for so long.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wonderful and I wish he never had to go.
00:22:32
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And I remember like that show, it seemed like you aired and it was a huge.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: Hit, like immediately that was true, that was the case.
00:22:41
Speaker 1: Right, And then we were at these events and I was like, there's large show. Yeah, life went on big time, right, wow. Yeah, what was that experience like for you, Like did you think like, oh, because you told me you had already gone back to school.
00:22:54
Speaker 2: Right, But so, yeah, I had been after Milrose.
00:22:58
Speaker 3: I was not because I would only get a certain kind of audition, a certain kind and I thought, I really don't want to do bad TV for the rest of my life, Like that is not going to be my life totally. So I had been going to classes at Antioch just because I was interested, and then at some point I realized, oh my.
00:23:15
Speaker 2: God, I have all these credits.
00:23:16
Speaker 3: All I have to do is my clinical hours and I can get my degree. So I started doing my clinical hours and it was kind of fabulous. And then I remember I thought Okay, Well, I guess that's it for me because I just couldn't imagine, like I don't want to, you know, no offense, but wasn't my my path.
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Was just not going to happen. So my god, your little socks are so cute.
00:23:38
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was talk about yourself, about myself, I want to hear. That was just total add me.
00:23:45
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then I remember going to Warner Brothers and I remember looking down the hallway and saying, Okay, this is the last time I'm here auditioning for ever Wood. And and then they called me back and I was like, I still didn't think anything of it.
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Speaker 2: I still thought that was it. And a girlfriend she's like, no, no, this is a good show. You need to work on it.
00:24:05
Speaker 3: So on it.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: And then I got it.
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Speaker 3: And then I wound up in Utah and I was in Salt Lake City, and then I still thought I wanted to have a baby by myself, and like I was still in that family thing. And and so they want me an audition with Desperate Housewives and I read and I said, I want to audition for the narrator because I want to have a baby.
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Speaker 2: I want to adopt a baby. Wow.
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Speaker 3: So I go in and then Mark Jerry said, no, I want you to read for Bree, So okay, So anyway, that's that. And then once I got that, that was the end of you know. Then I was off and running and haven't looked back. Although I loved getting my degree, and I you know, I was fascinated with people and humans and sides.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's super interesting, and you're currently doing a play which I also love. I just want to mention that really quick before we ever talked about Sex City.
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Speaker 2: No, that's fun. That's what I wanted to do.
00:25:08
Speaker 3: So I feel like I've spent my whole life getting back to my original dream, right, you know that's.
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Speaker 2: You know, so yeah, so I'm very happy about it. Amazing. Let me just say it really quick.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know set the Ruskin Theater in Santa Monica, which it just built a brand new theater to little spaces, which I just love and it's called Honor and I'm Honor, although it's not all about me, but yeah, and it opens February fourteenth.
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Speaker 1: Amazing. I'm so happy they built a new theater in Santa Mona theater.
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Speaker 3: So happy I got to work in the old one was this tiny little place that had belake there for twenty years. And I mean you'd work and you literally people have to uncross their legs.
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Speaker 2: It was so tiny.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So it was just brilliant place to work.
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Speaker 3: And I got to don Robbie Bates play there and he came and that was wonderful. And now you know we're upgrading to this new theater.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Yeah, I love it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it so much.
00:26:01
Speaker 1: Theater is a very it's like a feeding. It feeds you as you're doing it.
00:26:08
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not like in the trailer and then you watch it later.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: It's like that's you know anyway, right now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's wonderful, and thank you for giving us a full update. So let's talk about the show. It's gonna be hard because life is so much more interesting to talk about, but we're going to. We're going to because this is a rewatch podcast. After remind myself, let me ask you this question, because I don't even know. I don't even know for sure, did you watch the show when it was happening or were you too busy working your show or my show, my show? I assume I watched your own show, did you yes, Okay.
00:26:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think it was going on before.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, shows that were more at the same time as mine that I totally missed because you know, when you're like you can't even see straight and I babies.
00:26:51
Speaker 1: But I'm like.
00:26:52
Speaker 3: Oh, I missed that whole decade, right, But no, no, no, if I saw yeah, and now, oh, my daughter told me to tell you that she's now watching it.
00:26:59
Speaker 1: She's she's going to school in North Carolina and guess where Kristin. I was like, oh my god, I understand.
00:27:05
Speaker 2: I know you're from South Carolina. I was like, oh my god, I understand.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: Kristinen's so much better now having just been to the state.
00:27:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you really understand, I know. I mean the girls are so like, they're like you, like they're.
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Speaker 1: Feminine and they're really reading you. I'm like, the funny thing about it is that when I was growing up in South Carolina, I was the oddball because I wasn't blonde, and you know, my mom is not, you know, super southern, right she kind of is now, but like her, you know, she was feminist and she you know, she had her vibe going on, right, and she didn't wear makeup or anything like that. But all my girlfriends moms were like decked, you know, gorgeous. All of them were gorgeous. I was like this dark, you know, gorgeous, Well, thank you dark, you know, compared to them, you know what I'm saying. You know, they're all blonde, doesn't curly hair, and you know what I'm saying. And so I always felt like, oh, I've got to get out of here, you know. But I do think it had a really big, big influence on me definitely. And sometimes I feel like when people are like, you know, why is she so animated or you know, why does she wave her hands around so much, I'm like, they've just never been to the South.
00:28:12
Speaker 3: Well, I always thought with us, sorry, I know it's okay about the show, because I'm you know, from New England and like, you know, like my mother was like, young, god forbid, we should take up any space.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: So I get around you and you're like, and I'm just like entralled. You know anybody say that about you than I think that's also why we like as When I think about my different girlfriends who like I knew, especially in those kind of formative earlier years, there's always something where I am wanting like a quality they have, like learning from them and you're grounding your new it's a New England thing too. It's like like part of the earth, like strong. You know. I needed to be around that.
00:28:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. You're like, thank you, I love you. I love you too.
00:29:04
Speaker 2: It's so amazing.
00:29:06
Speaker 1: So we can have people on that, I mean to see me, it's amazing. I know you're an incredible person. You really are too, you really are.
00:29:15
Speaker 2: Thanks, very happy your life has turned up the way it HAPs. I'm so happy that yours has two.
00:29:20
Speaker 3: I mean, not that we haven't been through stuff, oh my god, Oh right for sure. Right, but you know what here we are. I mean there's no life that goes on without it. No, No, that's the truth. And just because this was what reminds me of when we didn't just like that, people would be like why are they doing this?
00:29:39
Speaker 1: Why did they doing that? Like do they not know what happens in life?
00:29:42
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't, or maybe they don't want to they want to escape or something.
00:29:46
Speaker 2: I don't want to face it for sure.
00:29:48
Speaker 3: That's life, right, I mean right, yeah, it's just I just did a little thing in New York called pen pousands women across fifty years that are writing to each other amazing and it looks very like kind of light on the page. But when you do it, there wasn't a dry eye in the house, including the two actresses, because because life happens. Yeah, just to ordinary people's lives. You know, yes, husband's death, answers, children, yes, you know all of it, and just life absolutely absolutely yes, yes, yes, to be here to live it.
00:30:25
Speaker 1: We are like, let's I like it. I really like it. Oh, we're going to talk about the show. We're going to talk about the show. And the thing that I like when I looked at this episode and the other episode, I really feel like the two LA episodes are just one episode. So it's really hard to keep straight what happens and what. But they're so interesting for two reasons. One, you know, I was living here before the show, right, like I lived in New York, but then I was living here and I had to go back there and I was still had my house here. At the point that we come back and do this, I was so excited to come back. I was like, Oh, thank God, We're gonna film in LA. But of course we filmed all night long and they just send me home and they'd be like, go sleep for two hours and come back at three am. I was like, oh my god, yeah, you know, but this is what you did.
00:31:02
Speaker 2: This is what you did, and go where you get.
00:31:04
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I was not someone who was going to the standard hotel. You know what I'm saying.
00:31:09
Speaker 2: You were not, no, right.
00:31:10
Speaker 1: So that wasn't but it was fun because that's the show, and you know, it was fascinating to see and and you know, God rest his soul, it was a fun place. Yes, yes, like you know it was.
00:31:20
Speaker 2: It was good.
00:31:21
Speaker 1: The Playboy Mansion, on the other hand, more complicated as I've been there, see me, never been there, right except film, and they tried to make us go to the Midsummer Nights party. We have Holly Madison coming up to talk to us. Oh my god, I know, right, But it was so complicated because for me at the time, I understood why our writers wanted us to go there and that it makes sense. And at the time it was being billed as like an empowering thing for women to be free with their sexuality. But like to me, it was like a kind of ache and weird and being there there were all.
00:31:53
Speaker 3: Those feelings of course, oh my god, yes, and decades of them, like I mean, yeah, history, right.
00:31:59
Speaker 1: Yes, and the weird vibes of the history, you know what I'm saying. And we have a great talk with Holly coming up about that. But in the thing that I love watching the episode, there's such a lightness and the colors, and especially because we come here and it frees us to really go that's true. And she's that bright blue Mustang. You know it's so us right, yes, yes, yes, I mean whenever we see a vintage Mustang and I tell my kids and they're like, mom, it's so old, and I'm like, no, no, that is expressing that car. But at the time, you know, it was also stress because the justa had to drive it and it wasn't it was it a stick.
00:32:39
Speaker 2: I don't know how to drive sticks.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: She died. No, it was some stress. It was some stress. And they did have to roll down a hill like the se which they shortened because I think we had I think they wanted you know that hill on Los Angele that really, yes, it was that hill. And then I think it was too stressful.
00:32:57
Speaker 2: Because they couldn't deep right, and scared.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop all the cars, and so they were trying to. Oh it was bad, Yeah, it was bad. So then they went to some little side street which was much more manageable, and then we filmed like you know when they go to what's the place called on Sunset with a bull?
00:33:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, not the whiskey.
00:33:17
Speaker 1: I mean incredible, Oh my god, did you ever go? There's fabulous on that bull. She's right on that ball.
00:33:24
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you ever try that?
00:33:26
Speaker 1: No? Did you?
00:33:27
Speaker 2: I think I'd break my hip now know.
00:33:29
Speaker 1: Me too too, Like we just weren't doing stuff like that.
00:33:32
Speaker 2: I love that.
00:33:32
Speaker 3: That's a great thing about when you get thrown into these circumstances. Probably with her too, it's like, okay, here we go, and.
00:33:37
Speaker 1: Then you're like, oh, I guess I'm running the ball right definitely, But I mean she really did get on that thing. I think I was there that day because Charlotte misses the one episode but then she comes for the other. But because I live here and I was so excited, I would like go, like, you know, to see or whatever. And then I was like, this thing is crazy in here. I'm going to leave Cynthia's fine. She's fine, She's obviously so and does it all. But it's so great how they cut to the slow mo of it all.
00:34:04
Speaker 2: It's really good.
00:34:06
Speaker 1: It's really good. And I think like the like when Carrie, you know, almost said sir Jessica is going to Warner Brothers. I mean, it just brought me too. Oh my god.
00:34:16
Speaker 2: I was like every every drive on there.
00:34:18
Speaker 3: And then when the guard said something, I'm like, wait, second, did he send her to the public parking lot?
00:34:23
Speaker 1: You know, I was, Oh, she's going to be lost. She's going to be lost, like they should have really had more. I love how then she finds the New York street on the lot. Yeah, and of course it doesn't really look like New York and it's totally empty and it is such a surreal, surreal place over there, but it's still there. And you know, I hope that whoever gets a hold of Warner Brothers.
00:34:46
Speaker 3: Don't you love that we've got to be on all those lots, even though like you know, we're dragging our stuff and auditioning. It's like, I love all those memories me too, to me too.
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Speaker 1: You guys, this is so much fun that we're going to have to have a part two, so join us later in the week on are You as Charlotte MHM
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today? I have the most special guest. It's Marcia Cross. Everybody, I cannot wait for you to hear our conversation. I'm sure you all know Marcia. Marcia is incredible. Her breakout role was in nineteen ninety two as doctor Kimberly Shaw on Melo's Place. We were on the show together, and then she became hugely well known as bree Vandercamp on Desperate Housewives, where Kyle McLaughlin played her husband. I mean, the connections that I have with this woman go back so far, and we're going to have a lot, a lot of a lot of fun. So thanks for joining us. Okay, everybody is so exciting joining us. Are you a Charlotte? Is the amazing, the fantastic Marcia Cross.
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Speaker 2: My god, I just thought, am I a Charlotte? No? But I've always wanted to be a Charlotte.
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Speaker 1: We can get to that at the end.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I put a pin in that I will remember to get back there. Okay, this is the thing, you guys, we are talking about one of the LA episodes is the first one. It's to Escape from New York. And I've wanted to have Marcia on since the beginning that I started that podcast, and you know, life has been taking her in many places. So I'm happy that there was a little opening that you could do this episode because when I think of the nineties, I think of Marcia, because I spent literally like a huge chunk of the nineties with you running around Santa Monica. You know, we were filming up in Calabasas. Oh yeah, that's right, right, we were shooping around Brentwood. Yes, I mean apparently occasionally going out into the world because there are pictures of us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love those pictures. I'm like, oh, look at us for babies totally.
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Speaker 1: But I did not feel like a baby at the time, did you.
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Speaker 3: Of course not right now, you don't feel like a baby, you told me later, you go like, oh my god, I was twelve, right, right, I mean I felt like we were like seasoned so more than me, you know, I did, right, Oh yeah, right, But now I look back on it and we're like, oh, we're little children.
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Speaker 2: You know what I could have told myself back then, I know, I know, and.
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Speaker 1: People sometimes ask me that, like, what would you tell yourself? And I say that I would tell myself, you know, take a breath, Everything's going to be fine. Yeah, because I just remember so much kind of like angst.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel.
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Speaker 3: Like my angst at that age was like, am I gonna have a family? I feel like that was my big angst at the time, for sure. For sure, for sure we talked a lot about I remember, in relationships and what we wanted and what we didn't want, and we were trying to figure all that out. But I think that's exactly what you should be doing.
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Speaker 2: I know, but I wish someone had told me that it was going to be fine.
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Speaker 3: There was totally so much pain I couldn't avoided, of course, of course.
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Speaker 1: Of course, but I also feel and I think this was more so for me than you. You know, Am I going to be successful? I think was probably my bigger thing at the time. I don't even think I wanted kids at the time. I hadn't gotten there yet.
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Speaker 2: No, you haven't, you have, You're you're in a different place. I was free, if.
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Speaker 1: I was very free. Yes, that's the word we could use, right, Yeah, Yeah, I know I was worried about being successful too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was very Yeah, we.
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Speaker 1: Were pretty focused. I feel like, like, you know, we did we did Roy London. Sometimes I forget to explain it to our listeners. Sometimes I'm just like rolling with it and I'm like, oh my god, they don't know who we're talking about. So there was this incredible teacher, and we were both lucky enough to find ourselves there. His name was Roy London. He was really just a genius human being in so many ways. Yes, And for me, so I'd come from New York. You go to Juilliard. So Marcia had been classically trained, like in the old school way, right, ready for Shakespeare. Yes, yes, which is what I'm doing now, don't forget, which is fantastic, but like not necessarily going to prepare you for television in the nineties, exactly right. And for me, I'd gone to Bill Asper Retgers, which was my start training sol a little bit less classics but still pretty serious. Right. And then I remember starting to audition in New York and just being like, I don't know what to do with these scripts. They'd give you these little TV just one scene from a show, and you tried to make this good and it was impossible. So when I came to LA I think I just heard on the streets or whatever, you know, you should go check out Roy. And it was like just lightning in a bottle in that room.
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Speaker 2: Life changing, right, yeah, all those people.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 3: The thing I loved about Roy, which we didn't really understand until after the fact, was I always tell people.
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Speaker 2: You never did a scene just to do a scene. You did a scene to save your life.
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Speaker 3: Yes, like if you could ever, like you had to everything with the stakes were always top top top. I always feel like that's where I learned to act, like in terms of putting.
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Speaker 2: It all together. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think everything changed for me after that like that because.
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Speaker 1: He knew how like and also do you remember when we would first get to class, he would just talk for a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: I forgot about stories. He was just such a he loved life and he was so full of life, and the stories were fascinating, and there were lessons in the stories, like one one really weird lesson I just thought of recently because I had a different guest on who told me she fell in love with her co star and then he broke her heart and I was.
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, see that's a rule. Do you remember Roy.
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Speaker 1: Used to be like, don't your costars say be gone right, save it for on screen and then after you're done you can do it because it's.
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Speaker 2: Probably not going to work out.
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Speaker 1: That was a really good lesson.
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Speaker 3: Don't you think he's so right right right?
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Speaker 2: Like he lives on in us.
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Speaker 1: And so anyways, that was a kind of a trite I guess whatever, but I think it wasn't try to okay, because you take all that chemical and all that stuff that's going on, and it's said you can't do it, you're not doing it.
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Speaker 3: That keeps it, you know, blive right, Then what if you do it? And then you're like, oh, that was not what I wanted, And then you have.
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Speaker 1: To definitely right, it's hampered your your actual creativity and the energetics of it. And I feel like that was the thing that Roy was so special about. And as you said he would. He taught us how to take a really lame scene on the page because obviously in film and TV sometimes this each scene art is not great, right, and how to kind of put something on top of it that meant something to you in that moment where you had steaks that may not even have been in the scene, but it made.
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Speaker 2: It interesting pretty much how I do all my work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing to think about. I did get into some trouble, I mean mostly on Melrose. I'm trying to think a little bit on the beginning of Sex and City because I'd spent so many years auditioning and going to Roy, Like I used to go to Roy four nights a week, right, you would just observed, right, so you'd have one class that was yours and then three nights that you'd audit, and you learned so much from watching him work with others that it was just a joy to go to.
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Speaker 2: Wish I could do it right now.
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Speaker 1: I know, me to Roy, be present with us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rory is since pasted.
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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons he was so brilliant was that he he had aids and nobody knew it. And unfortunately I don't know where it was like out of.
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Speaker 1: Nowhere, sudden, sudden, sudden, sudden, so so upset it breaks my heart, I know, needless. It seems so needless when you think about it.
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Speaker 3: Because it seemed like it wasn't exactly in the throes of everything right when everybody was passing, it was like you know not you know, it felt like it was much later a second.
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Speaker 1: And he really just was the most vibrant.
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Speaker 2: Would have never nothing sickly about him.
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Speaker 1: He was like full of full, full of life anyway. No, I know, it's it's it's otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's going like writing down, let's go.
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Speaker 1: London is with us in spirit and in our memories, in our hearts, thankfully, but the thing is never the thing. Yes, good good, And I remember the energy of us, like like the kind of I mean striving sounds like a negative word, but like the excitement. No, we were dedicated, right, I love that too. It was really special and the group of people who was there was amazing and really like there was such energy in the room, you know, And whenever I would see one of them succeed, I'd be like, oh, I've taught a class lately, and I'm like, don't you where's all your stuff? This is not a place like bring everything but the kitchen sinking.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And then these kids come in and they don't have anything, and I'm like, you can't fold that crappy pretend laundry.
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Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again.
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Speaker 2: I mean I'm like, do something specific that's so good?
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Speaker 1: Remember, yes, No, it's you know, we'd come in with like, yeah, we reserve like every day, like that was our lives. But when we weren't rehearsing, this is what I remember about us. And this might have been when we had already been on Melrose. I don't know, but like, do you remember the magazine stands? Oh yeah, and we there were like two or three that were like our hunts, right, you know, so like let's say we didn't have an auditional, we didn't have a class or whatever. You know, we would like go to yoga and then we would go, let's go by the magazine stand and they don't.
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Speaker 2: Even exist no more.
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Speaker 3: I so crazy, not even those fun yoga schools too, Like I know, it was way back.
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Speaker 1: It was way back before yoga. I mean, now there's yoga works on every corner, but like back in the day, you know, there were it was one one place on Montana yoga works, the true yoga works, and people would say like, oh, is it a religion. I remember so many people asking me that isn't that isn't this so so so different? I know, that's really obvious. But it's like and there was also we would go down to the promenade and there was that magazine stand in the middle. We would like get coffee.
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Speaker 3: I kind of forgot about all about that place, all right, So you remember more real are really random things, Okay, random? Tell you what I remember when I'm driving in my car because Kristen used to always get.
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Speaker 1: In the car and she'd take her foot and put it up on the dashboard. I was going to show my black socks.
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Speaker 2: True and so true.
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Speaker 3: I started doing it, and so I drive like that now and there isn't a time I do it where I don't think of Kristen.
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Speaker 2: I go, there's yeah, that's a door.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what I found out about myself? Because yes, I still do it, and I take my shoe off, right, you know, I can just put my bare foot up there. And it is kind of I think, in some ways a Southern thing, right because like you would be you don't know, you know, because like you'd be out on the back roads, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: No, it is more meaning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also cut a scan and I have scoliosis in my lower Actually this is why it's comfortable. Oh right, that makes sense because it's twisted.
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Speaker 2: My lower is twisted.
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Speaker 1: So I need to take the pressure off in the car because you're you can't really change your position, right. So I just recently found this out O.
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Speaker 3: Me too, which I don't like. Actually, I know, I know, but not that we need to go down that road.
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Speaker 1: But it's an interesting maybe that's why it's so, I know, I was. I mean, it's I still do it, you know what I mean. It's kind of a needed thing because you spend so much time in the car in LA. That's so funny. What a random thing that you remember. And very true, Very true, Marshall, very true. I also remember, so you had your adorable house.
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Speaker 2: I did. I still have it?
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Speaker 1: You still have it? I have it? Yeah, I still go to doctor.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you do.
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Speaker 1: I do? Thirty years later, said kids.
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Speaker 2: And they're all grown up there.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to Stanford and one graduated from Harvard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah I knew that was coming.
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Speaker 1: They're doing great, they're doing great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I still go to ham and I drive by that house.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, I mean it's rented.
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Speaker 1: But oh good, that's so smart, so smart.
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Speaker 2: I know, I just loved it. I could never sell it.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a good house. Oh it was a good house. I know.
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Speaker 2: It's so like me too.
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Speaker 1: And then I went and I rented a house that reminded me of your house, because I was like, this is where I should do like Marcia's she knows what to do. So I'm going to try to Do you remember this house? Of course I do. Yes, they have totally redone it. It's unrecognizable. Sometimes we have to go back way because I live not that far from there now and I go to my kids, like I used to live in that house, but it didn't look like that, but but it was there in that spot. It's like a big two story thing now. But you know, to me, you were like somebody who was already successful. To me, you seemed very grounded and you know, knowledgeable, right, And that's partly why I was like, I'm gonna you know, I'm going to try to learn from Marsha, right, Like I don't know if I said that, but I know I thought that.
00:12:37
Speaker 2: No, but that's the sweetest thing ever. It's true.
00:12:40
Speaker 1: But also you were not so much ahead of me that I felt like we couldn't relate. We were the same We were in it, you know, we were in it, and we liked the same things, and we were interested in the same things, and I just remember being like fun. And I remember that when I did get sex in the city, people would say to us, you know, well, who spends this much time with your girlfriend? I was like, well, I've just spent like three solid years with rush across you, and thank god, right, I'm so thankful for that time there was someone who I could trust, you know, in the bigger situation that we were in, which is not like it was horrible, but it was, you know, unclear what was going to happen. You kind of needed an anchor.
00:13:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like I am an anchor. Yeah, I mean I just.
00:13:25
Speaker 1: In a great way. Yeah, in a great, great way.
00:13:28
Speaker 3: You are an anchor, grounded and crazy at the same time. But yeah, I've got I mean.
00:13:32
Speaker 1: Crazy in the way that you need to be, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, you have enough of an understanding of human nature to play the different things that you have to play.
00:13:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I can bet a gamut.
00:13:46
Speaker 1: My Hyundai hot take this week is Matthew McConaughey being his utmost McConaughey's self. I guess he was the last minute casting based on the fact that we wanted someone else that we maybe didn't get. I've got to get to the bottom of it all. But what I remember of Matthew is that he came and he ad libbed, and not only that, but there was apparently a glass coffee table in the set office, and he jumped on it and shattered it, which I think is just so him. And when I watch it, I can one hundred percent believe that he is a living and that Sarah Jusica is just honestly responding in the moment to whatever Matthew is saying or doing. And I really enjoyed watching the scene and I wanted to replay it again. So Matthew McConaughey my Hyundai hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, just like Hyundai when I went to Melrose, when I got Melrose, which you were already there, right, So you did that since the beginning, I think, right, or not the beginning, but like at some point yet right I came, certainly because I came kind of kind of late. I think I don't know how long it went, but whatever. And you know you've been in Roy for so long, right, Yes, And I just wanted to be so good, you know what I mean. And I just wanted to, you know, like do my best in a situation that didn't necessarily want that correct.
00:15:19
Speaker 2: I wanted to get the shot, let's.
00:15:21
Speaker 1: Go exactly hurry up because those.
00:15:24
Speaker 3: Were shooting today exactly exactly right.
00:15:26
Speaker 1: And there were a few things that I did that I think back on where I'm like, I cannot believe I did these things. But it was all from the Roy perspective of like, you do what you have to do in a scene. Yes, Like I was often working with Andrew Shue, who was more of a soccer player, you know, type of a personality like athletic and to the point and let's get it done. And I would mess with them in scenes like I would mess with them to try to like get them like present or whatever. Yes, And I remember you to get really mad at.
00:15:55
Speaker 2: Me, and I feel it really taking the right thing. Well, yeah, I do that.
00:16:01
Speaker 3: If I'm on stage like I was doing, you know, I do something and if the person starts to like zone out, you know, I don't stick to anything I just get.
00:16:08
Speaker 2: I just go for that moment and grab them back. So I think it's totally feel better.
00:16:13
Speaker 1: That makes them feel better, because when I think back, I'm like, oh wow, he must have just been super irritated that he got this.
00:16:20
Speaker 3: It probably brought me to life, you know, and got him out of his comfort zone. I thought so yes, I mean, I thought so right. I'm totally in favor of it.
00:16:27
Speaker 1: So we have such similar sensibilities. So let's just recap a little bit before we talk about that episode Just Life. So we're running around, it's the nineties. We're going to Roy which is like just joy, and you feel like, I think it bridged the gap between like, Okay, you're going on all these crazy auditions, you're driving here, you're driving there, remember all of this, Like Warner Brothers.
00:16:55
Speaker 3: No, Like I feel like I lived at that. Warner Brothers can even understand what they get. Like four times the day you get sides, go home, do the drive there, four times of data, change your location, change your outfit, put the stuff in the car. You know, Oh my god, I had this crappy little red car, remember, and there's just no air conditioning And like.
00:17:12
Speaker 1: Me too, yeah, anyway. Sorry, And so you're in that, which is kind of hard, right, but then you also have this joy of going to Roy that feels very connected and he's working with people who are doing movies and he's talking about the scripts, and it made you feel like, yes, I can do it. It can be done right. This is the way to do it, and the way that it works and the way that it's fun right, like it had it added fun to it. And I love that part. And I'm so so thankful for him, you know, and the whole the whole class being there. And then so then we're up there. I get on the show We're up there in Calabasas, where of the heck desert right filming, which was so freaky and weird.
00:17:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like that anymore. No, it's all built up.
00:17:59
Speaker 3: And I mean I'm been up there lately, but the times that I have been up there, I'm like, oh my.
00:18:03
Speaker 1: Gosh, you know, really wow. All I remember is Target, which we called Targe. Yes, that was the only place to go at lunch, so we didn't or it was on in twenty five degrees exactly.
00:18:13
Speaker 2: Betrayer.
00:18:14
Speaker 1: I had to be in your trailer. Yeah, it was really odd and you had really no sense that you were doing something that was a big deal or whatever.
00:18:20
Speaker 3: It was very no are you kidding? No, although I did pretend every time I did a scene like, Okay, it's crazy and I'm Michelle Pfeiffer and these are the.
00:18:28
Speaker 1: Steaks smarty in my smart Listen. I tried over there. I tried. I don't think my my things were as lofty. I was like, I'm going to get Andrew shoot to you know, pay attention to me. That's what I would do. That that was your hill to climb. But I was crazy, so I had for you. But that's why you were incredible. Yeah, so incredible, So, oh my god, are you kidding? Super incredible scene. So then I they kill me and I remember, like you die, I don't remember I died. I died in the pool. I died in the pool. I died in the pool, but I don't know why. I got drunk and I fell.
00:19:03
Speaker 2: In the pool. Oh that's great.
00:19:04
Speaker 1: I liked that. It was the best part of my whole characters good decade. And then they had they weighted me down and had me sink in my hair.
00:19:12
Speaker 3: Oh okayos, yes, yes, Then I was a ghost, that's right.
00:19:16
Speaker 1: We were getting there right like wacky things, wacky things. And then so then I get fired, but you're still on uh huh. And then but I don't know for how how long, but you're still living in your house. I'm still living in my house. I think we were still hanging yeah, right, yeah, and then I like sometime goes by where I don't know what's going to happen, and then I get sex and the city.
00:19:36
Speaker 3: I remember it totally perfectly. You do, please tell them, well, I just remember you getting the job. But I remember saying to you, this is going to change your life, no way, oh yes, oh yes, I don't remember that I knew. I was like, this is a big deal, and I said this is going to change your life because I knew the people involved were good and it was a great idea and it just you know, you just know, like, yes, I think I knew that about Desperate, but I just didn't because that's the next thing that interesting total Yeah.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: I mean I felt in my gut like I really wanted to be a part of it, but I didn't necessarily feel that it would be all that it came.
00:20:13
Speaker 3: Did I remember saying it to you probably didn't like you know, but I just remember. I even remember where I was standing. Maybe we're on the phone or something. Wow, Like I remember I was in my little laundry area. In my heart was like, I just remember, wow, right there.
00:20:27
Speaker 2: Amazing.
00:20:28
Speaker 1: And so then soon after you get Desperate Housewives.
00:20:32
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I remember some times.
00:20:34
Speaker 1: I don't have a great sense of time either. This podcast is actually helping me kind of categorize things, yes, because I can look at years like, oh, yes, this is two thousand. I remember two thousand because it was the year before two thousand and one, which was obviously a very changing year for the world and definitely for our country. But I feel so this is what I remember. I remember you came to the one of our La premieres. Well, we did such a thing. Low key premiere is loose word, right, We would show two episodes. There's pictures of us there. We're showing our lower abdomen. Oh my god.
00:21:08
Speaker 3: Really, yes, I'd like to see it now because it was probably very flat.
00:21:13
Speaker 1: It looks great. Let me tell you, we both look great. We both look great, and I know we didn't necessarily feel that way. It's not, but we look fantastic. And then there's like funny pictures. This would have been Melrose type. I can put all these pictures on Instagram when we when we put this up, there's pictures of us. I think at a Melrose event might have been like one hundredth episode.
00:21:35
Speaker 3: I do think, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what's happening.
00:21:39
Speaker 1: You know, I look like a child, like a little child. I'm meaning cake or something. I don't know. And they repost them on Instagram as us both being col McLaughlin's fictional wives.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: Yes, how about that? How crazy is that guy?
00:21:56
Speaker 1: Insane? Which I like in a certain way. I don't know that I was ever full aware, you know what I mean? Like like the craziness that he comes on our show. He was only supposed to do five Yeah, we can't part with him. We love him so much. Did he leaves our show? He comes to your show? He was only supposed to be one season. He told us, Oh, then you don't even know that you're supposed.
00:22:15
Speaker 2: To be the killer of Kyle. Yeah, I was a killer. Apparently I had no idea.
00:22:19
Speaker 1: I know me neither. This is what he told us when he came on the pod and then he said, no, I love this job. I want to stay, and it's.
00:22:26
Speaker 2: So great that you got him.
00:22:28
Speaker 1: And then he stayed for so long.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wonderful and I wish he never had to go.
00:22:32
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And I remember like that show, it seemed like you aired and it was a huge.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: Hit, like immediately that was true, that was the case.
00:22:41
Speaker 1: Right, And then we were at these events and I was like, there's large show. Yeah, life went on big time, right, wow. Yeah, what was that experience like for you, Like did you think like, oh, because you told me you had already gone back to school.
00:22:54
Speaker 2: Right, But so, yeah, I had been after Milrose.
00:22:58
Speaker 3: I was not because I would only get a certain kind of audition, a certain kind and I thought, I really don't want to do bad TV for the rest of my life, Like that is not going to be my life totally. So I had been going to classes at Antioch just because I was interested, and then at some point I realized, oh my.
00:23:15
Speaker 2: God, I have all these credits.
00:23:16
Speaker 3: All I have to do is my clinical hours and I can get my degree. So I started doing my clinical hours and it was kind of fabulous. And then I remember I thought Okay, Well, I guess that's it for me because I just couldn't imagine, like I don't want to, you know, no offense, but wasn't my my path.
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Was just not going to happen. So my god, your little socks are so cute.
00:23:38
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was talk about yourself, about myself, I want to hear. That was just total add me.
00:23:45
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then I remember going to Warner Brothers and I remember looking down the hallway and saying, Okay, this is the last time I'm here auditioning for ever Wood. And and then they called me back and I was like, I still didn't think anything of it.
00:24:00
Speaker 2: I still thought that was it. And a girlfriend she's like, no, no, this is a good show. You need to work on it.
00:24:05
Speaker 3: So on it.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: And then I got it.
00:24:07
Speaker 3: And then I wound up in Utah and I was in Salt Lake City, and then I still thought I wanted to have a baby by myself, and like I was still in that family thing. And and so they want me an audition with Desperate Housewives and I read and I said, I want to audition for the narrator because I want to have a baby.
00:24:24
Speaker 2: I want to adopt a baby. Wow.
00:24:28
Speaker 3: So I go in and then Mark Jerry said, no, I want you to read for Bree, So okay, So anyway, that's that. And then once I got that, that was the end of you know. Then I was off and running and haven't looked back. Although I loved getting my degree, and I you know, I was fascinated with people and humans and sides.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: Yes, that's super interesting, and you're currently doing a play which I also love. I just want to mention that really quick before we ever talked about Sex City.
00:25:06
Speaker 2: No, that's fun. That's what I wanted to do.
00:25:08
Speaker 3: So I feel like I've spent my whole life getting back to my original dream, right, you know that's.
00:25:14
Speaker 2: You know, so yeah, so I'm very happy about it. Amazing. Let me just say it really quick.
00:25:18
Speaker 3: So I don't know set the Ruskin Theater in Santa Monica, which it just built a brand new theater to little spaces, which I just love and it's called Honor and I'm Honor, although it's not all about me, but yeah, and it opens February fourteenth.
00:25:34
Speaker 1: Amazing. I'm so happy they built a new theater in Santa Mona theater.
00:25:38
Speaker 3: So happy I got to work in the old one was this tiny little place that had belake there for twenty years. And I mean you'd work and you literally people have to uncross their legs.
00:25:46
Speaker 2: It was so tiny.
00:25:47
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:25:48
Speaker 2: So it was just brilliant place to work.
00:25:50
Speaker 3: And I got to don Robbie Bates play there and he came and that was wonderful. And now you know we're upgrading to this new theater.
00:25:57
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Yeah, I love it.
00:25:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it so much.
00:26:01
Speaker 1: Theater is a very it's like a feeding. It feeds you as you're doing it.
00:26:08
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not like in the trailer and then you watch it later.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: It's like that's you know anyway, right now.
00:26:15
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's wonderful, and thank you for giving us a full update. So let's talk about the show. It's gonna be hard because life is so much more interesting to talk about, but we're going to. We're going to because this is a rewatch podcast. After remind myself, let me ask you this question, because I don't even know. I don't even know for sure, did you watch the show when it was happening or were you too busy working your show or my show, my show? I assume I watched your own show, did you yes, Okay.
00:26:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think it was going on before.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, shows that were more at the same time as mine that I totally missed because you know, when you're like you can't even see straight and I babies.
00:26:51
Speaker 1: But I'm like.
00:26:52
Speaker 3: Oh, I missed that whole decade, right, But no, no, no, if I saw yeah, and now, oh, my daughter told me to tell you that she's now watching it.
00:26:59
Speaker 1: She's she's going to school in North Carolina and guess where Kristin. I was like, oh my god, I understand.
00:27:05
Speaker 2: I know you're from South Carolina. I was like, oh my god, I understand.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: Kristinen's so much better now having just been to the state.
00:27:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you really understand, I know. I mean the girls are so like, they're like you, like they're.
00:27:16
Speaker 1: Feminine and they're really reading you. I'm like, the funny thing about it is that when I was growing up in South Carolina, I was the oddball because I wasn't blonde, and you know, my mom is not, you know, super southern, right she kind of is now, but like her, you know, she was feminist and she you know, she had her vibe going on, right, and she didn't wear makeup or anything like that. But all my girlfriends moms were like decked, you know, gorgeous. All of them were gorgeous. I was like this dark, you know, gorgeous, Well, thank you dark, you know, compared to them, you know what I'm saying. You know, they're all blonde, doesn't curly hair, and you know what I'm saying. And so I always felt like, oh, I've got to get out of here, you know. But I do think it had a really big, big influence on me definitely. And sometimes I feel like when people are like, you know, why is she so animated or you know, why does she wave her hands around so much, I'm like, they've just never been to the South.
00:28:12
Speaker 3: Well, I always thought with us, sorry, I know it's okay about the show, because I'm you know, from New England and like, you know, like my mother was like, young, god forbid, we should take up any space.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: So I get around you and you're like, and I'm just like entralled. You know anybody say that about you than I think that's also why we like as When I think about my different girlfriends who like I knew, especially in those kind of formative earlier years, there's always something where I am wanting like a quality they have, like learning from them and you're grounding your new it's a New England thing too. It's like like part of the earth, like strong. You know. I needed to be around that.
00:28:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. You're like, thank you, I love you. I love you too.
00:29:04
Speaker 2: It's so amazing.
00:29:06
Speaker 1: So we can have people on that, I mean to see me, it's amazing. I know you're an incredible person. You really are too, you really are.
00:29:15
Speaker 2: Thanks, very happy your life has turned up the way it HAPs. I'm so happy that yours has two.
00:29:20
Speaker 3: I mean, not that we haven't been through stuff, oh my god, Oh right for sure. Right, but you know what here we are. I mean there's no life that goes on without it. No, No, that's the truth. And just because this was what reminds me of when we didn't just like that, people would be like why are they doing this?
00:29:39
Speaker 1: Why did they doing that? Like do they not know what happens in life?
00:29:42
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't, or maybe they don't want to they want to escape or something.
00:29:46
Speaker 2: I don't want to face it for sure.
00:29:48
Speaker 3: That's life, right, I mean right, yeah, it's just I just did a little thing in New York called pen pousands women across fifty years that are writing to each other amazing and it looks very like kind of light on the page. But when you do it, there wasn't a dry eye in the house, including the two actresses, because because life happens. Yeah, just to ordinary people's lives. You know, yes, husband's death, answers, children, yes, you know all of it, and just life absolutely absolutely yes, yes, yes, to be here to live it.
00:30:25
Speaker 1: We are like, let's I like it. I really like it. Oh, we're going to talk about the show. We're going to talk about the show. And the thing that I like when I looked at this episode and the other episode, I really feel like the two LA episodes are just one episode. So it's really hard to keep straight what happens and what. But they're so interesting for two reasons. One, you know, I was living here before the show, right, like I lived in New York, but then I was living here and I had to go back there and I was still had my house here. At the point that we come back and do this, I was so excited to come back. I was like, Oh, thank God, We're gonna film in LA. But of course we filmed all night long and they just send me home and they'd be like, go sleep for two hours and come back at three am. I was like, oh my god, yeah, you know, but this is what you did.
00:31:02
Speaker 2: This is what you did, and go where you get.
00:31:04
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I was not someone who was going to the standard hotel. You know what I'm saying.
00:31:09
Speaker 2: You were not, no, right.
00:31:10
Speaker 1: So that wasn't but it was fun because that's the show, and you know, it was fascinating to see and and you know, God rest his soul, it was a fun place. Yes, yes, like you know it was.
00:31:20
Speaker 2: It was good.
00:31:21
Speaker 1: The Playboy Mansion, on the other hand, more complicated as I've been there, see me, never been there, right except film, and they tried to make us go to the Midsummer Nights party. We have Holly Madison coming up to talk to us. Oh my god, I know, right, But it was so complicated because for me at the time, I understood why our writers wanted us to go there and that it makes sense. And at the time it was being billed as like an empowering thing for women to be free with their sexuality. But like to me, it was like a kind of ache and weird and being there there were all.
00:31:53
Speaker 3: Those feelings of course, oh my god, yes, and decades of them, like I mean, yeah, history, right.
00:31:59
Speaker 1: Yes, and the weird vibes of the history, you know what I'm saying. And we have a great talk with Holly coming up about that. But in the thing that I love watching the episode, there's such a lightness and the colors, and especially because we come here and it frees us to really go that's true. And she's that bright blue Mustang. You know it's so us right, yes, yes, yes, I mean whenever we see a vintage Mustang and I tell my kids and they're like, mom, it's so old, and I'm like, no, no, that is expressing that car. But at the time, you know, it was also stress because the justa had to drive it and it wasn't it was it a stick.
00:32:39
Speaker 2: I don't know how to drive sticks.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: She died. No, it was some stress. It was some stress. And they did have to roll down a hill like the se which they shortened because I think we had I think they wanted you know that hill on Los Angele that really, yes, it was that hill. And then I think it was too stressful.
00:32:57
Speaker 2: Because they couldn't deep right, and scared.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop all the cars, and so they were trying to. Oh it was bad, Yeah, it was bad. So then they went to some little side street which was much more manageable, and then we filmed like you know when they go to what's the place called on Sunset with a bull?
00:33:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, not the whiskey.
00:33:17
Speaker 1: I mean incredible, Oh my god, did you ever go? There's fabulous on that bull. She's right on that ball.
00:33:24
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you ever try that?
00:33:26
Speaker 1: No? Did you?
00:33:27
Speaker 2: I think I'd break my hip now know.
00:33:29
Speaker 1: Me too too, Like we just weren't doing stuff like that.
00:33:32
Speaker 2: I love that.
00:33:32
Speaker 3: That's a great thing about when you get thrown into these circumstances. Probably with her too, it's like, okay, here we go, and.
00:33:37
Speaker 1: Then you're like, oh, I guess I'm running the ball right definitely, But I mean she really did get on that thing. I think I was there that day because Charlotte misses the one episode but then she comes for the other. But because I live here and I was so excited, I would like go, like, you know, to see or whatever. And then I was like, this thing is crazy in here. I'm going to leave Cynthia's fine. She's fine, She's obviously so and does it all. But it's so great how they cut to the slow mo of it all.
00:34:04
Speaker 2: It's really good.
00:34:06
Speaker 1: It's really good. And I think like the like when Carrie, you know, almost said sir Jessica is going to Warner Brothers. I mean, it just brought me too. Oh my god.
00:34:16
Speaker 2: I was like every every drive on there.
00:34:18
Speaker 3: And then when the guard said something, I'm like, wait, second, did he send her to the public parking lot?
00:34:23
Speaker 1: You know, I was, Oh, she's going to be lost. She's going to be lost, like they should have really had more. I love how then she finds the New York street on the lot. Yeah, and of course it doesn't really look like New York and it's totally empty and it is such a surreal, surreal place over there, but it's still there. And you know, I hope that whoever gets a hold of Warner Brothers.
00:34:46
Speaker 3: Don't you love that we've got to be on all those lots, even though like you know, we're dragging our stuff and auditioning. It's like, I love all those memories me too, to me too.
00:34:55
Speaker 1: You guys, this is so much fun that we're going to have to have a part two, so join us later in the week on are You as Charlotte MHM