Jan. 26, 2026
Speed Dating with Clark Gregg (S3 E12 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell")
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Plus, Kristin and Clark reveal how Speed Dating was Raya before Raya and why an appearance on the show was so crucial for actors in NYC!
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today? We have a fantastic actor joining us. It's Clark Greg. You may know him from a Few Good Men, Wow to so many things, the West Wing obviously Sex and the City, Agents of Shield. And now he has a new show called The Artist, which is on a new streaming app called The Network. Can't wait to see it, so joining me today to recap, Don't ask, don't tell, Clark Greg is here. What I want to say about you, and this is one of the things I love so much, is like you have worked on everything, Like you have worked and worked and worked. And I saw that you told a funny story in a different interview like in the past, about when fans approach you and you're trying to guess what they might be going to talk to you about, because you have are you really that's funny? Such a variety of things that you've done.
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Speaker 2: You know, if you hang around long enough.
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Speaker 1: Totally desperate enough, like oh, look, everything but dancing with the stars, well you know me too, me too, Because there's not enough money in the world for me to do that.
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Speaker 2: No, I watched my ex wife live through it.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, right right. Yeah, See physically, I just don't think I would survive much less emotionally.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I kill it.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're sweet. I think you would kill it as well. But yeah, it's never going to happen, only in my fantasies, because I would really devastate anyone's preconceived notions of me if I went on that show. But You've done so many things and we were very, very lucky to have you on Sex and the City. It aired on August twenty seventh, in the year two thousand.
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Speaker 2: Which means I shot it in the spring.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine or in the spring, probably because we would go to work in February. We would be filming while it was on the air. Like in the olden days we used to do right in like TV land. So yeah, you probably shot it in the spring. Yeah, I mean, what do you remember, Like did you know the show? Like did you what were your thoughts?
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Speaker 2: I knew the show little. What was I doing. I was living in New York at that moment, but I was back and forth between New York and LA a lot in those days, and I don't think I had HBO, right, So I had seen a couple and I just knew that it was something that guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week, and it was kind of passed around like guys, I'm like, oh, what's your kink, what's your thing?
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Speaker 1: Oh? I like that.
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Speaker 2: So I was thrilled to join that club. And I feel like I hadn't met I knew list to Chillo and maybe Cindy shoot Back. I knew a couple of the writers right. And I had met Sarah a couple of times when she was doing a Robbie Bates play at Playwrights Horizon. I was in another play, smaller theater upstairs, so I knew her a little bit, but only my all, my all, my love dealings were with Miranda.
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Speaker 1: I know. So wait, you had never met Cynthia. I think we met one in that Carole right right, all.
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Speaker 2: In our whatever twenties or something in New York and I bumped into people and there, but you know, so I was always like, yeah, we kind of yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not you know, not in that way. I get it. So I love your role so much and I had completely forgotten all the details because I haven't seen these shows since, you know, since we made them. Right.
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Speaker 2: No, I did a sitcom with Juey Lloyd Dreyfus like six or seven years later than this, and I watched them like I've never seen the show before. This is so exciting. What's going to happen next? I'm saying a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I must know, and that version of me knows.
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Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean I didn't remember at all. Like, first of all, I completely forgot about the speed dating, Like this was a moment in time before for the dating apps had come about where you could sign up at a restaurant. Miranda does this. It's her storyline and you you it's like, what do they say seven minutes or whatever? And you the guys, the women are just sitting at the table and there's a little bell and like the guys just revolved through. I never did this, but I remember people talking about it. Oh my god, how crazy I.
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Speaker 2: Did one last weekend. They're still out here.
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Speaker 1: So that's the people who are like, we're not going to be on the apps, We're just going to do it in person. I love it because it really is so it is so much precursor of like swiping left or whatever they is that right.
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Speaker 2: It's really just poor Man's Riah.
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Speaker 1: Definitely poor Man's Rayah. I love it so. But the funny part is that you are face to face, which is like, you know, much more loaded, don't you better? Better? For sure?
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Speaker 2: Then you don't have to have that moment when you sit down at the cafe and go, oh, for Pete's sake, use a picture from this decade.
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Speaker 1: Have you had that moment, Clark? Because I have not done.
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Speaker 2: It, and maybe some of it with me, I don't wow.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Well if people would know who you are, I don't think they would have that moment.
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Speaker 2: There's you know, if they if they get reruns, they've seen them somewhat decent picture of me.
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Speaker 1: So funny. So the thing that I love is that so Miranda's there, she's you know, being her true Miranda self, and she's saying that she went to Harvard and she's a lawyer, and the guys just immediately look off. They just immediately are like next.
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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't they didn't make them even a little bit ambivalent. They just I mean, know, why don't you think that's hot. I don't don't get this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, it is a real thing. It is a real thing.
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Speaker 2: I think the stewardess thing they call them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I don't know stewardess.
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Speaker 2: Now people's heads whip around, like, what did you just say? It's like a racial slur. You got to say flight attendant.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I guess that's true. And she does say at one point.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't she They talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my, we're so on top of it way back in the year two thousand. But it is it funny that, like I think for Miranda too, because then she puts that scarf around her neck when you guys go out or whatever, which is so hysterical. I'd forgotten all of this. She has like a scarf and like her hair's poofy, and like she's fully committed to playing this part. It's so funny. And she's like a floral bra on, which is also funny. And you also, we have no idea that this is coming. I did not remember this when I'm watching it. I one hundred percent believe that you were an er doctor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no, in my character work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you commitch.
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Speaker 2: No, he was. He was the whole thing about the athletes. But that's just because oh I do that now. They didn't have Google. I couldn't have even checked. See. This is also they couldn't have done any digging on each other.
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Speaker 1: That is so right. It's a different time. It's so interesting, and this is where I love to look back on because there's some things that still ring so true. Like I do think it rings true that men would not I don't know. I guess it depends on the man, right definitely, if they would be into a Harvard educated lawyer. I think there are some who would not be. But then I think there are some who would be right. Like there's some things that are still really, really really true that we wrote about in nineteen ninety nine's last two thousand and then there's some things that aren't right, and a lot of the logistics have changed, Like we could google people, we would look into people, blah blah blah. You couldn't really lie that much.
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Speaker 2: I presume that you're like me, Yeah, that you fly a fair amount. Yes, And I certainly I remember when what I would consider a kind of aggregate flight attendant, what they would be like, and they're different now.
00:07:38
Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: They're different now, very true. And I look, there's so many terrible things that have happened in terms of flying and how tense it is and how they've crammed us into like you see those Sometimes it'll come up like here's what it was like to fly first class in nineteen sixty seven. Oh my god, it's like you're at Heff's house and everybody's you know, and now it seems like there's some very and they're a little prappy.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes this is true now, but also like, how could you not be right? No, it's super intense, super intense to be a flight attendant. I agree. I mean also, I just remember from when I started working, which would have been the first time that I would have ever flown anything other than coach, right, and they would have that little, you know, push cart with the caviar and whatnot, like, and that's not that long ago. I don't feel like, like, how do I mean I know how technically like what happened that made it go down, but it is kind of shocking now. And I do feel like the flight attendant's job is like a whole other level, partly because everyone's always filming all the angry people on the flight that they have to deal with. Does your Instagram show you that, oh yeah, oof.
00:08:41
Speaker 2: Lose their minds upon a flight?
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Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible? Oh my goodness me. But yeah, the idea of Miranda actually being a flight attendant is pretty hysterical because you could see she would like cut someone down real quick, you know what I mean. But I love her. Her characterization of it all is adorable. When you went so you knew Cindy who actually wrote this episode, right.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Cindy just barely a little bit, I think.
00:09:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Dan Algrant directed, that's.
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Speaker 2: Right, And I knew Dan through. Some people are just a little bit yeah, oh got it?
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Speaker 1: Cool? He was, he was chill. I liked him. He was he was good. He was calm and good. What do you remember about, like, what was it like for you to pay as you said that much?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I hadn't done that much. I still hadn't done that much film stuff, so I remember being kind of nervous, still a little bit like, oh, we're going to do the same thing on this side now. But I also, I don't know, I thought it was funny scenes like they are. I just kind of liked that. I thought it was a funny bit. I do have of the people who come up to me, there is definitely a twink eyed, twinkly eyed person, often a woman who's like you, you're not really an emergency room doctor. And I'm like, it landed for some people.
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Speaker 1: Oh definitely.
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Speaker 2: So I remember that, I remember it was kind of fun. I just remembered it was kind of fun.
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Speaker 1: It was really fun. I mean, it's it's fun because also this episode is kind of serious in a lot of ways because.
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Speaker 2: You know, well, you're going through a lot.
00:10:13
Speaker 1: I know so much, so much, and when I look back on it, you've.
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Got the most charming man in the world.
00:10:18
Speaker 1: Kyle, I mean beyond, right beyond.
00:10:21
Speaker 2: I love that so much, so do I, but not his character.
00:10:25
Speaker 1: I know.
00:10:25
Speaker 2: It's I was trying to like work through the innuendo to figure out exactly the specifics of what the problem was. The sales would go up, but they wouldn't stay that way.
00:10:34
Speaker 1: I know, we say a lot of weird things, but we don't actually show it, which is kind of interesting also because on the show we show so much, but in this particular situation, we cut away and I, you know, and then we just show us after the fact and we're discussing it, and it's a little bit vague, and I think it's because Kyle told me, because I didn't remember any of this. What I remember is that I knew Charlotte was going to get what she wanted, and I knew it wasn't good to work out, right, so like everything would look perfect, everything would seem perfect, but then it wouldn't really be, you know, the relationship.
00:11:07
Speaker 2: Frankly, you're having to make a very tough choice. There's so many things about this guy. He loves you, he's devoted, seems to do very well, but you're going to it's a Greek myth, really, but you'll have to give up your smoldering sexual fire.
00:11:25
Speaker 1: That's very kindly, but I know I hadn't.
00:11:28
Speaker 2: Read you think a very modern choice.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: Do you think?
00:11:32
Speaker 2: Yes?
00:11:33
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I was shocked when I looked back on the episode. I didn't really remember it as clearly as we lay it out. You know that I have to kind of like that scene in the bed, and it's one of those things too. I'm very critical of myself, right, so I'm like, oh, did I did I did? I digested enough, Like, do you really feel like it lands for her? I don't know. Did I do enough? I don't know. I'm not sure, you know, But obviously I'm looking at it from now. You know, you you look at things differently at different times in your lives. Obviously, I mean at the time, it was very cool.
00:12:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Okay, listen, I mean I don't have to do a ton of thinking about this.
00:12:15
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, that's what I think. I worry that I didn't take it in enough.
00:12:20
Speaker 2: No, I don't, But that's what I'm saying. Okay, that's it read right to me, because I don't know what I think works about the episode. You know, when I've talked about this episode at various colleges is that we can kind of feel the poll. Yeah, to go along. I can get this part of him going, I can rev up his engines. But you know, now, yeah, I watch it from a modern lens, and I'm like, you're right, this wasn't going to change, and you're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom.
00:12:55
Speaker 1: Right, right, But I mean I did I did feel that. I did feel that. I mean, I think it's interesting too, because, like I mean, I guess it's also because Charlotte has pursued this thing relentlessly. Right, But like before he comes, I've got this book marriage incorporated. I'm like, oh, I'm going to get married this year, like in so many kind of backwards ways, right, Like Charlotte, God love her, She's so focused on that goal. And that's why it was so great that the writer set it up the way they did. But I think one thing that happened was that we didn't necessarily know we were going to get Kyle, right, Like the idea was, you know, you're going to get a great guy and then it's not going to work out. But then Kyle shows up. I mean, he's not a great guy. He's like a guy.
00:13:41
Speaker 2: He's a dream.
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Speaker 1: He's a dream. I know, I know, And I think all of us felt that way across the board because he was only supposed to be there for five episodes, I want to say, and he was supposed to be boring. He was supposed to not be able to perform sexually and to be boring, neither of which was particularly believable, right, do you know what I'm saying? So, and I mean, I know he committed and everything and whatnot, but like he's still Kyle in the end. You know, he's like so charismatic and fascinating, Huddish, and he's scott.
00:14:13
Speaker 2: Someone whose family named greg comes from Gregor. I don't believe any of this. A guy with a kill who's not going to deliver.
00:14:19
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you us about the Scottish guy. I can't remember this, this actor's name.
00:14:24
Speaker 2: Like, it's funny. He was unintelligible.
00:14:26
Speaker 1: Yes, do you think that was a little much or do you think that that was realistic?
00:14:30
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny. It was kind of a bold choice because I couldn't quite understand most of what he me.
00:14:35
Speaker 1: Neither Meani. His name is Richie Coster, and I don't know his deal. I should investigate his deal because some of it he could be day, he could be next he could We could check in with Richie Coster wherever he might be and ask him like, are you really Scottish? Did you? Did you put it on a little a little little too much?
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Speaker 2: Which is a really good bit. You could have him on and he'd be like, no, I totally put it on, and then everything else he said would be unintelligible.
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Speaker 1: That would be good, that'd be good, that'd be so good. I had remembered vaguely, and Kyle had brought him up because Kyle said he couldn't understand him either, So maybe he just committed fully to the Scottish. I don't know, but he was interesting. I liked it. I liked I liked. There's so many things about this episode that I like. I really wished that your character had gotten to come to my wedding me too, right would.
00:15:29
Speaker 2: Have been a great place. Frankly for someone to cut their finger and him to scream like a girl.
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Speaker 1: I know. See, I didn't remember any of that, so I was like, wait, why is he not helping her? Why is he not helping her? When she cuts her finger and you know, and it is so hurt like that she would kind of it's really bleeding, you know, it was really it made me laugh because I didn't remember any of it.
00:15:50
Speaker 2: No, it always felt really bad to me the day, like why can't she admit that she's lying too? And they're like, sorry, it's not gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: No, I agree. I wanted her to admit also because then I thought.
00:16:00
Speaker 2: Sure, Also, I love that she's stuck with it. So she's like I was like, She's like, I hope I don't see you in any of my flights, I know. And I was like, well, I wouldn't be in first class if I did. And she was like, no, you wouldn't. And I'm like, hey, this is classest. No. I know.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: It was sad. It was very cutting. It was very cutting, but also I was just I was just sad that you had to go. I mean, I know that that's how we were rolling at that point, like guys would come.
00:16:28
Speaker 2: Through, but the guys came blazing through. And I was telling somebody this morning, I said, I remember there's somebody maybe People Magazine or somebody. Somebody sent me once and it was like of all the little Man Toys that came through, that show, who was the hottest? And it was a ranking like one through fifty, And I of a sudden I was on a text chain with like John Slattery and Neil Pepe and They're like, haha, I'm three above you.
00:16:56
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love that so so so much. I love that so so so much. Our guys, I literally feel like we had the most incredible supporting cast for all the years that we.
00:17:11
Speaker 2: Went right up there with Law and Order, and that it's a rite of passage for New York actor of a certain moment.
00:17:17
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Though we have not done as many episodes as they have, so I guess it was a little harder to get right. But on the other hand, I remember one time to it might. I guess it was the last season we were nominated for a SAG Award, which of course is wonderful because it's the whole ensemble, and we were presenting. I think I guess we were presenting. I don't even know if we were nominated, and oh no, I think we want. I don't know. The point is we were presenting, and I feel for some reason like we went off script, which you're not really supposed to do at the award shows, you know, but I think we did because you're at the SAG Awards and you're just looking at a sea of actors and like Bobby Ken of all A was there, Slattery was there, so many of our co stars, of our guest stars. Funny, we're there, right, and I just felt like we should mention them, you know, because it was really like the wind in our sails that we had. You guys, you know what you said.
00:18:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: I went off I went off book and I mentioned them and then Kim like went right on book and everybody was just kind of left. But I just felt like that's why we're there, right, like, like that's what makes our industry work.
00:18:31
Speaker 2: We were the man toys beneath your wings, I.
00:18:33
Speaker 1: Know, and we needed that. We really needed that, you know. And I think women are so used to playing those parts and men aren't. And I know it takes like a lot to just be like I'm going to go in there and I'm going to I'm going to do this part and then I'm going to go and you know, serve the purpose like it's a it's a it's a lovely thing. I think. Yeah, And I think you were so good and I was sad you didn't get to stay. That's my main thing.
00:18:57
Speaker 2: I want to say. It's true.
00:19:00
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you as a guy when you were you so, if you didn't have HBO and you were on the show, how did you end up seeing your own episode?
00:19:08
Speaker 2: I think by the time it came out, I had acquired a better cable package. Cool something else had happened. I think a writing job. So suddenly I had my first like, oh good, I can watch got It and watch this thing and still have the same feeling she should come clean totally.
00:19:27
Speaker 1: I thought she should have do. I thought she should have do. And then when you were like walking around in life, what was it were people immediately talking to you about it? Was it embarrassing? Was it okay?
00:19:39
Speaker 2: No? I mean, you know, it was a hot show to be to be on and to be you know. What was interesting was I realized, oh my god, everybody's watching this, and certainly every woman in the country's watching this. Yeah. I mean I went to a movie I think in Santa Monica, and I saw people whispering, whispering, and I'm like, she was lying.
00:20:01
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, So this is this is something you've been holding on to since the year two thousand. Listen, I thought the same thing.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: I was.
00:20:10
Speaker 1: Really I did want her to come clean because then I thought you could have bonded over the facial fair felt. I know it's not fair, for sure, but also like, what a beautiful human thing that you would both feel like you had to lie, you know. I thought it was so cute. You're never enough, No, I know, isn't that sad that everyone feels that way. So when you look back at this, because this a whole episode with the exception of you, it's not very funny. It's like pretty dramatic, which I hadn't really remembered.
00:20:40
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that nasty fight between you and Samantha.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I know that scared me. Watching that. I was like, wow, I don't remember this. It was tense.
00:20:51
Speaker 2: But also what's cool about it in terms, it's really an episode that's all about telling the truth.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: I know. It's so brilliant to it.
00:21:00
Speaker 2: That's not in all of them, not in all of any shows that I was like, well, they're really exploring different themes about this.
00:21:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the third season is when our writers really clicked in and we're able to unify the theme that beautifully and the thing in this particular one, because sometimes the theme will be a little bit more esoteric or whatever, you know, like I can't think of one off the top of my head, but it won't be shoes deep yeah, shoes, or a funky spunk or you know, something such like that. But in this one, it is a deep, a deep theme that is, you know, coursing throughout and you guys are a funny version of it, and then both Carrie and Aiden's storyline and Charlotte and Kyle's storyline, it's a much more deep, serious storyline about big, big choices and you know, really revealing yourself to to the person that you love and can you do that? And should you do that? I guess in the in the carry situation.
00:21:59
Speaker 2: Because I and told me, I know, what do.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: You think of that? Do you think she should have told it?
00:22:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna get serious, I think. But also I think it's this girl telling me this. I mean, like, why is she doing that? She's like, there's a big conversation to be had of right, why are you sabotaging another thing? But I but if you tell the guy, I mean, how's he gonna go? How can I trust you?
00:22:25
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean it is interesting because I think I think when I watched it, I am struck by how incredibly good John Corbett and sar Jesca are together, Like they're they're so amazingly connected, which is amazing because she is also equally you know, connected, and has incredible chemistry with Chris os so like it, and they are opposites, you know, in so many ways, the characters and also the people kind of like the vibe or whatever is so different, and she's so skillful in terms of the you know, the depth and the reality that she brings to those relationships. Obviously she's amazing. But I think that she felt that their connection was so intense that she could tell him that she did this and that they would have a fight or whatever it was, and then it would be okay, you know, but it's not. It's sad. It's sad. He looks so crushed. Aiden I feel really bad for him. But then obviously, you know, we know what happens and whatever. But I also many things happen that I don't even remember between now and then, but you know what I mean. But I thought like, and I think when there's a voiceover where they say that that my character that I'm thirty four, because I can never remember how old were actually supposed to be in reality, because I can't separate real life from the fictional life. It seems when I look back on it. And I don't know if this has to do with the innocence of the time compared to now, I feel like we seem younger. Do you know what I mean how so like the kind of does it seem to you because you were back and forth la New York living the similar lives in a way, not to the characters necessarily, but to like in New York whatever, like a New York life, right, do you feel like it they seem young? Yeah? Does it resonate with you like where you were in your life?
00:24:26
Speaker 2: I mean the dilemmas certainly, yeah. I mean you guys were living your characters were living this kind of vary to me very uptown, affluent life that was quite different. That's true, right, a little more bohem But what about.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: The relationship part? Like the stakes. I guess what I'm saying is the steaks seems so high. I mean they're high for Charlotte because Charlotte has this goal of getting married, right, which is very different than my own goals. But like the stakes are so high. But also I feel like the innocence is like I feel like now people are more jaded or I don't know what the word is.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there is for it being kind of very sex forward, sex positive. It does feel like there's an innocence compared to now where perhaps be community for ghost Let's go let's go in. Yeah, perhaps because of apps, yeah, and the various permutations of those, and but also the culture where there is this form of autonomy that should be there. Ye. At the same time, it's made for people like, well, this is what I'm into, this is my transaction. I identify as ethically non monogamous, and right what right? What? Okay? Is that? Like Polly what else? And are you your buy You're you're this kind of buyer that I mean, it's just there's so much awareness that feels healthy in many ways, But at the same time, it feels like some of the innocents, some of the mystery, right.
00:26:02
Speaker 1: Right, right, that's that's well put, that's well put. I think also like I think a lot of it is COVID, right, because we went through this crazy time so young people, you know how what happened with their development of of dating? You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know. The thing about Michael Patrick and Darren that was interesting was you know this the whole show was the show was Darren's idea based on Candace Bushnell's book. Right, So Candace Bushnell was carried Oh no way, Yeah, I hadn't bet her before I'm sure. I'm sure she was fun. She's really fun, but she obviously had been living this life herself. You know, this was what she was cataloging.
00:26:40
Speaker 2: In her right, right.
00:26:43
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's important to talk about because I think for a long time for us, what would happen? People forget that there was a lot of negative about the show in the beginning, right, like, who do these women think they are? You know, how dare they? You know, women don't talk like this, Like there was a lot of kind of you know, sexist, vile things said at us and to us and about us in the beginning, especially you know.
00:27:09
Speaker 2: Better than I, but I certainly, I mean this is only season three.
00:27:14
Speaker 1: Right, exactly? Yeah?
00:27:15
Speaker 2: How many were there in the original.
00:27:17
Speaker 1: Well six and a half?
00:27:20
Speaker 2: Because I remember, I mean a year and a half after this, I am in bed with a baby on my chest with my then wife. Yeah, and she's making us watch it every week. I don't know, it's time for this. Shut up.
00:27:34
Speaker 1: I love it.
00:27:35
Speaker 2: I'm okay, okay, I'll hold the kid.
00:27:37
Speaker 1: You know what. People at the time and this is again a little bit off, but I enjoy it. At the time, a lot of new mothers would come up to us on the street and say like, you're getting me through, You're getting me through. And at the time, I'd be like, that is such an interesting thing because I wouldn't necessarily think that, like, you have a newborn, I'm going to watch single, single ladies. But now that I've had kids, I understand because you're kind kind of being enclosed. You're somewhat trapped in the newborn experience right like you can't you're not living your life in the same way. It's a very big change. So I think it was like an outlet, like a like a fun you know, like how it used to be type thing, because even if everything's going great, you're like you're you're you're just with that baby.
00:28:19
Speaker 2: All you're watching a form of freedom that you not have and will not for a while.
00:28:24
Speaker 1: Beautifully seven and fourteen, Yes, and you're twenty three.
00:28:30
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she moved here about it four three months ago. I'm so happy, fantastic.
00:28:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want mine to leave. Sometimes my mind says that my fourteen is She's like, I'm not I'm not going to go anywhere, And I'm like, that's cool, baby, you don't have to. You don't have to UCLA is right down the road exactly. But we'll see, we'll see. I know I'm supposed to let her, let her go, but you know, maybe not it happened. When it happens right right, right, it'll it'll go the way it's going to go. Him, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he's going to want to go. But you know he's only seven. So but wait, back to way. What was I saying was something about about network? Yes, yes, yes, yes, And I didn't really ever get that before before I had the kids, and then I was like, oh, yeah, no, I totally get it because you're home and you need something fun to watch and you need to feel that freedomly, You're right, that's what it is, the freedom of the choices, you know, Like that's one thing I love about our characters when you watch it because some of these things I don't really remember. What I wanted to say was the man thing. So what would happen when people would get angry about our show, right and they would feel like, well that I've got to tear that show down. One of the ways that they would try to tear it down would be to say they're not really women they're gay men dressed as women because it's written by these two gay guys, which was so unfair and messed up. Oh it's so unfair, right, And.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like anytime women kind of own their.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Sexuality exactly, they have to find some thing to take it away or whatever. But also it's like saying that gay men can't write women. What is that about? Like, you know, no one said William Shakespeare can't write women. I mean maybe some crazy person, but you know what I'm saying. People can write other human experiences. This is the joy of what we do. You know, you don't have to be exactly the thing.
00:30:13
Speaker 2: But also the women that were written were connected with millions and millions of women.
00:30:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely. People don't say that now, thank god, though they do occasionally people will say, oh, I thought gay men wrote that show, And I'll be like, well, can I just show you the list of our female writers. You know, it's long. We have a lot of amazing female writers. But also who cares? You know, like who cares? It's an interesting thing how how they'll try to undercut you.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: You know, that's not what it sounds like, I know, not at all.
00:30:42
Speaker 1: It just reminded me of it. It reminded me of it because I do think when I watch it, there are moments with Samantha where I think, first of all, like she is such a powerful, powerful character because we have not seen her before, and really kind of since I don't think we've seen her, I mean maybe in reality TV. I don't really watch reality TV so much. But the the you know, energy that she has, the like the way that she embraces her sexuality, the complete unapologetic, you know, way that she lives her life is so unusual and different. And I can see in some ways that you know, that was a very like a loud statement made by by Darren and Michael Patrick. In some ways, that's yeah, necessary an interesting one because it's interesting. She's so like even you know, she gets sad and she has all the different feelings this this episode she's she's fine, though it is really interesting when I have that fight with her, Charlotte and she have that fight and fear away. I hadn't remembered that. I hadn't remembered that at all. But I also think it's so realistic, like people get so stressed about their weddings, you know, and just like like lash out at people. And I think also there was so much stress about I've said this before, and there were weird headlines about it, But like, Charlotte is Charlotte, and she wants the big, fluffy wedding gown and she wants everyone to be wearing these identical dresses. And there was a lot of stress for Pat Field, our costume designer, because there was a lot of debate about whether.
00:32:13
Speaker 2: Oh god, it was Pat Field.
00:32:14
Speaker 1: Yes, remember Pat.
00:32:16
Speaker 2: I love her.
00:32:16
Speaker 1: I know she's incredible. She's incredible, and I'm happy that they ended up in their baige dresses. And I love how sar Jessica styled hers with the little tartan you know belt, because that is a very carey thing to do. But I think there was some debate that maybe they shouldn't all be dressed the same, that that's not true to their character. So I think that made its way into that scene. And Samantha is saying, my hem should be shorter, shouldn't I look amazing? And me saying, oh, if I have to be a bridesmaid. She says, if I have to be a bridesmaid, shouldn't I look amazing? And I say, well, you don't have to be a bridesmaid, which is really pretty bold of Charlotte to say. Also, and then she says something like, well, I thought you wanted me to be, and I said, no, I just didn't want to leave you out, which is like kind of cutting, you know, like ouch.
00:33:01
Speaker 3: But but but because at the same time, you get why you might want to cut her out, because the why do you got to be the hot bridesmaid is being a bridesmaid's dresses.
00:33:13
Speaker 2: No, you're going to try to We're going to try to make everybody look a little frumpier so mama can shine.
00:33:20
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, Clark. I see, I don't really it's funny too, Like I didn't really realize that so much until my friends started getting married, you know what I mean, Like I didn't really I thought everyone wanted to look great or whatever. But then I realized, like, no, you're you're you're technically you're in a support role and you need to know that when you're a bridesmaid, you're in a supporting role. That's important, you know, but sometimes challenging. Okay, I want to talk about Carrie and Aiden a little bit. And the big thing I hadn't really remember this that it was this in depth, But I like, what do you think of Aiden as a guy?
00:34:08
Speaker 2: You know, oh, appealing in this? And you didn't know I didn't.
00:34:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
00:34:18
Speaker 2: He's really into her.
00:34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:34:20
Speaker 2: He seems to have an interesting kind of muted like not mud, it's not the right term. A gentle form of masculinity.
00:34:27
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, he's kind of.
00:34:31
Speaker 2: He's talking about the kinds of trees and the way that they complement each other. I'm like, listen, if you could find somebody like this on a dating app, you would you would check out of the game.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you.
00:34:46
Speaker 2: Want? Or do you want the kind of like slightly slutty bad guy in Big?
00:34:52
Speaker 1: I mean, is Big slightly slutty? That's super interesting. I had never thought of him that way. I would describe Big as a slightly withholding or very withholding, a bad guy or power power or whatever he's Why.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: Is he being withholding because he's working some other angles? I don't know.
00:35:08
Speaker 1: Oh, I love to hear the man's.
00:35:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Listen, It's true.
00:35:15
Speaker 1: You were right, you were right that whole time he was holding.
00:35:17
Speaker 2: Really it was like a finance bro and I think of them possibly in an acquisition any kind of yes, why not? Why is he not locking that down?
00:35:29
Speaker 3: Right?
00:35:30
Speaker 1: This is good? This is very good. This is why we need the men to come on the podcast. Okay, we need to cut through it, all right, we need to cut through it so when you're watching Aiden, because I also had forgotten and because I know Corbett and Corbett is not like he obviously he's bringing all that to it, but like he I wouldn't describe Corbett as a soft masculinity. He's like super masculine, you know, Like have you ever met Corbett?
00:35:55
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.
00:35:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a character and like a one of a kind in the visual, but very I would describe him as more you know, like straight up masculine, masculine, masculine, you know what I'm saying, Like he's he's also really we're.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: Talking about the moment where she drops the bomb on him, and there's so many ways to react to that. Yeah, And it's such a primal wound whether one likes. Because you know, you walk around as a male and you have several brains in there. One of them that is in charge way more than you want it to be is about eighty million years old, and it has reactions to things like that that don't make any sense to you, but they completely take over the ship. Yeah, and I don't know. There just was a way where he just and I think it was some of the writing leaned into this kind of like just really, wow, you've really really I don't have to say it really hurts.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I know it was so good. I thought it was so good.
00:37:00
Speaker 2: That's what I mean by the kinder.
00:37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, oh, I know what you mean exactly. No, No, No, he doesn't know none of those. No, I'm not I'm not disagreeing in any way. I just think it's interesting because John isn't that way himself. Right, So he's really doing a great job, you know with what was written, right, ye, Like he's really uh deepening it and it's so sad, like you feel so sad for Aiden, But then I also felt I felt, I also really was. I was so torn because I do feel for Carrie. Like here she's got this amazing thing. She's of course messed up by cheating with Big, but she wants it to work out, which is why she tells him because she doesn't want to have the lie. She can't sleep at night because she has the lies. She's out there smoking on the stoop. Right, you can't really live like that, you know, like like it's it's taking over her her mind. It's like in between them even, you know, because because she hasn't told them, right, like it's living there in her, in her vision, it's living there like I did this. I don't deserve of him, you know, basically, which I felt for No, did you no? You?
00:38:05
Speaker 2: No? Well no, I agree with everything you're saying. I guess, and I'm looking at it from a present day lens, and I thought there's so many deep personality red flags. I'm sorry. I know it's a fun, loving, promiscuous show. But if you like this guy and you went and had an affair for three weeks, to me, the conversation should be very different. But that's very of this moment, Like, Okay, we have to talk because I've done something horrible. I don't understand what happened. It's not okay with me. I don't blame you if you never you know what I mean. Like, I think the conversation is, what the hell is wrong with me that I would do this to somebody? I think it came off a little. I got to tell you this thing that happened. It's not like you didn't trip over a pothole and land on a naked guy. You did it for three weeks.
00:39:06
Speaker 1: It's so true.
00:39:07
Speaker 2: It's true, moral judgment, it's just right.
00:39:10
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't present it well ly.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: You have no respect for me or this relationship, or you wouldn't have done it, yike.
00:39:17
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I understand. I mean I think it's an interesting thing.
00:39:20
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe that's my dad. I still carry those kind of moral hard lines.
00:39:27
Speaker 1: I think. But but I mean I get what you're saying exactly. And I think part of the thing about Carrie which is interesting is that on the one hand, she is this seeker and she's writing this column about you know, I wonder this, and I wonder that that's true.
00:39:40
Speaker 2: He's getting with he's getting with the sex columnists, and like, you're never going to believe this, but I slept with somebody else for three weeks. It's like, this is what my friend said would.
00:39:49
Speaker 1: Happen, which is probably true. But the thing that's great about Aiden, and the reason they're interesting together, is that he's kind of not New York like sometimes you don't even know if he understands what she does, do you know what I mean? Like he's he's not of her.
00:40:02
Speaker 2: Work beat cut and he is.
00:40:05
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an episode where they're going to go to the country, coming right, they go to the country.
00:40:09
Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta watch the show again.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, clearly, clearly, you've got to watch the whole thing. But you know that he's but he's so you know, he's disarming because of that, right, because he's not of her world, whereas Big was very much of her world. But yet she doesn't like she's not she's not worked out. And so there's been a lot of conversation about Carrie since the show ended about you know, she's a narcissist, she's this that, blah blah blah. But I mean, obviously we wouldn't have had a show if she was worked out. You can't write about about.
00:40:39
Speaker 2: People who nobody wants to see a show about happy people enjoying life now.
00:40:43
Speaker 1: And also like who is that happy all the time anyway? Right, Like all of us have areas of not being worked out at some point, not all the time. I am. I think my general vibe, like my general energy is happy, but like I have my you know, we I'm.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: My dark day. Do you have a dark day?
00:41:03
Speaker 1: Definitely? I might try to hide it, you know what I'm saying. No, no, you know, like I probably wouldn't like come here and be like I'm having a bad day on my podcast.
00:41:14
Speaker 2: I think people think I'm People are like, I just love how you're always smiling, and I'm like, what the talking about? I'm a dark, tortured being. Are you crazy?
00:41:25
Speaker 1: That's interesting? But I do think of you as being like kind of nice and easy going. Is that not true? Inside? Wow? Interesting?
00:41:33
Speaker 2: I have a certain amount of Yeah, me too, I have a certain amount of I enjoy humans, I enjoy existing in the world. But I definitely wake up in the middle of the night, like on the ninth Circle.
00:41:46
Speaker 1: Of Hell, Me too, Me too.
00:41:50
Speaker 2: I've been wondering this lately, like why is it so dark in here in the middle of the night, like things are good?
00:41:56
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I might. I'm just gonna say what I tell myself in the middle of the night when I wake up, because I do wake up pretty frequently, and there'll be some particular little my new show on my mind. But what I think is the collective, like we're just living through some crazy times.
00:42:13
Speaker 2: What do you mean.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: We're not going to go into it because that's not my podcast, but you know what I mean, it's it's hard not to be affected by.
00:42:21
Speaker 2: It, you know.
00:42:22
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you about your new show, because first of all, I need to understand what network or whatever you want to call it. It's on. Explain.
00:42:31
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it you fast.
00:42:32
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:42:34
Speaker 2: There's a terrific producer in La been around for a while, Hillary Shore.
00:42:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves her.
00:42:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's really fantastic, really good. I think she would not mind when I say she's one of the great broads amazing all time. And she and this wonderful guy who I didn't know, Aaron Rappaport, a guy here. They it's like it's like the first year of Sun Dance in a way. Wow, they formed an indie.
00:42:59
Speaker 1: Streamer, what an indust.
00:43:01
Speaker 2: Downloaded an indie streamer called the Now Oh my god, just downloaded onto your Apple TV. And what they chose to make. They have another show, I think they maybe, But they've made a period drama about a murder, a couple of murders in the gilded age Stanford White, who was murdered by a guy named Harry Thaw in a fit of jealous rage over his seventeen year old wife, Evelyn Nesbit, played by this wonderful young seventeen year old actress. She might have been fifteen. The real girl, Eva Andersoner's mom is Milla Jovivich and who yoah, shocking, but it's many petek and Janet McTeer and Patty and Asia and Danny Houston and for a shoe string. They made this period piece set in nineteen oh five ish New York and it's quite good. Oh.
00:43:53
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see.
00:43:54
Speaker 2: How they pulled it off. So that's that is exciting. What I'm here to get people to do is to try to among the very important topics for Unpacking Network and watch this thing because it's not Netflix.
00:44:07
Speaker 1: So they need people to This is amazing.
00:44:10
Speaker 2: It's an artist driven thing, great, the United Artists type thing, Like I'm going to go and talk to them next week about a show I want to try to make with them, because this isn't great. If we could take it over ourselves, we would maybe not get so screwed in the negotiations.
00:44:23
Speaker 1: Definitely also like the consolidation situation in our industry is so at such a crazy, crazy level, and we've got to create new things so that everything isn't going to be glombed into one thing.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: You know.
00:44:34
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's crazy town. So I'm so excited to hear that, and I will download it and I will watch it because I'm excited. I'm excited to support always very exciting. Got to support the indie, any indie anything, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you've been incredible. I'm going to ask you one slightly crazy question. Are you ready scared?
00:44:55
Speaker 2: Little Clark?
00:44:57
Speaker 1: Are you a Charlotte?
00:44:59
Speaker 2: I really want to be.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: That's a very sweet answer, But what do you think you really are? You can be honest, it's cool.
00:45:08
Speaker 2: Do you name which one of the people you.
00:45:09
Speaker 1: Will if you want to? You can be a part of different ones. If you don't say Miranda, I'm going to be shocked a little bit of Miranda.
00:45:17
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't feel like I don't feel that.
00:45:20
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, okay.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: You don't feel that.
00:45:22
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't feel Miranda.
00:45:25
Speaker 2: I feel more, I mean, honestly of you. You're gonna have to bill me and we're gonna have to go for another fifty minutes. But I feel like I live as a duality in that I have at least two of them.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: That's okay, waiting at all, which to which.
00:45:42
Speaker 2: To Charlotte, Okay, I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl, confused by some of her darker, naughty impulses. Yes, well, put perhaps I'm not sure.
00:45:54
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's.
00:45:56
Speaker 2: Been a little bit too analytical and in her head too much, as I would kind of say Carrie. Yes, and there's always the specter of my nineteen eighties Samantha on my shoulders.
00:46:10
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. That's great, that's great. I also am m part Charlotte park Caerrey. I don't really, I don't know that I have a Samantha. I probably should want to have a Samantha, but I'm definitely half and half, so I really there were the same Love it, love it. Thank you for being with us, Thanks so much for having me. It's so fun.
00:46:29
Speaker 2: I wish I had another episode so I could come back.
00:46:31
Speaker 1: I know, I know, that's what I mean. We should have kept you longer.
00:46:34
Speaker 2: I'll come back and talk about one. It's Slattery's episodes.
00:46:37
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic, when you see slattery, tell him he needs to come talk to me.
00:46:40
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh it's the next call I make.
00:46:43
Speaker 1: Yay, thank you so much, and anyone else on that text chain, okay, because we love to have to look up that article I want to see.
00:46:51
Speaker 2: You have to make a part of your thing because you have to be like, how does it feel to be number twenty seven out of thirty?
00:46:57
Speaker 1: That hurts? That hurts just to feel it, just just to think about it.
00:47:01
Speaker 2: There was a lot of trash talk on the text threat.
00:47:03
Speaker 1: Oh I bet it was. Where was Bobby?
00:47:07
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
00:47:08
Speaker 1: Funny it's so funny because he plays funky spunk and I'm just dying to ask him how embarrassing that was. I don't think I've ever asked in that and we worked together after the fact, but I don't think I didn't have my podcast you know self yet right where I interviewed people. How did you feel being mister funky Spunk? I mean, what a surreal thing? You know what I mean? But yeah, we've had so many great actors and this always.
00:47:29
Speaker 2: I guess I should feel really good that I didn't walk out of there with a name like that.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: I think so I think you got to.
00:47:34
Speaker 2: Agree people calling out character names when I'm walking down the street, I don't need any funky spunk like I know.
00:47:40
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how am I going.
00:47:42
Speaker 2: To explain that to the woman I'm on a date with right now?
00:47:46
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.
00:47:47
Speaker 1: That's why I'm dying to get Bobby. I'm dying to get Bobby someday. So I do have this other thing where like, at any time, they can come and I'll just do like a little side episode with them, because people love to see you guys if you see them in.
00:47:58
Speaker 2: A restaurant, just like, listen you mind, if we just.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Do oh I will, I'll just be like, here's my phone, talking to the phone, talking to the phone. Then I'm going to just be a menace and everyone's going to be like avoid Kristen Davis, but hopefully not. Thank you for coming, mister Joey. Yes, me too, me too. Don't freeze out there. Okay, okay, good, have a great day. By There are some things that we didn't talk about, So I'm going to continue my recap. You guys join me on, are you a Charlotte. We'll recap some more of the fantastic episode don't ask, don't talk
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today? We have a fantastic actor joining us. It's Clark Greg. You may know him from a Few Good Men, Wow to so many things, the West Wing obviously Sex and the City, Agents of Shield. And now he has a new show called The Artist, which is on a new streaming app called The Network. Can't wait to see it, so joining me today to recap, Don't ask, don't tell, Clark Greg is here. What I want to say about you, and this is one of the things I love so much, is like you have worked on everything, Like you have worked and worked and worked. And I saw that you told a funny story in a different interview like in the past, about when fans approach you and you're trying to guess what they might be going to talk to you about, because you have are you really that's funny? Such a variety of things that you've done.
00:01:02
Speaker 2: You know, if you hang around long enough.
00:01:06
Speaker 1: Totally desperate enough, like oh, look, everything but dancing with the stars, well you know me too, me too, Because there's not enough money in the world for me to do that.
00:01:18
Speaker 2: No, I watched my ex wife live through it.
00:01:19
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, right right. Yeah, See physically, I just don't think I would survive much less emotionally.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I kill it.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're sweet. I think you would kill it as well. But yeah, it's never going to happen, only in my fantasies, because I would really devastate anyone's preconceived notions of me if I went on that show. But You've done so many things and we were very, very lucky to have you on Sex and the City. It aired on August twenty seventh, in the year two thousand.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: Which means I shot it in the spring.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine or in the spring, probably because we would go to work in February. We would be filming while it was on the air. Like in the olden days we used to do right in like TV land. So yeah, you probably shot it in the spring. Yeah, I mean, what do you remember, Like did you know the show? Like did you what were your thoughts?
00:02:10
Speaker 2: I knew the show little. What was I doing. I was living in New York at that moment, but I was back and forth between New York and LA a lot in those days, and I don't think I had HBO, right, So I had seen a couple and I just knew that it was something that guys I knew were like, I'm the bimbo this week, and it was kind of passed around like guys, I'm like, oh, what's your kink, what's your thing?
00:02:40
Speaker 1: Oh? I like that.
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Speaker 2: So I was thrilled to join that club. And I feel like I hadn't met I knew list to Chillo and maybe Cindy shoot Back. I knew a couple of the writers right. And I had met Sarah a couple of times when she was doing a Robbie Bates play at Playwrights Horizon. I was in another play, smaller theater upstairs, so I knew her a little bit, but only my all, my all, my love dealings were with Miranda.
00:03:07
Speaker 1: I know. So wait, you had never met Cynthia. I think we met one in that Carole right right, all.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: In our whatever twenties or something in New York and I bumped into people and there, but you know, so I was always like, yeah, we kind of yeah, yeah.
00:03:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not you know, not in that way. I get it. So I love your role so much and I had completely forgotten all the details because I haven't seen these shows since, you know, since we made them. Right.
00:03:33
Speaker 2: No, I did a sitcom with Juey Lloyd Dreyfus like six or seven years later than this, and I watched them like I've never seen the show before. This is so exciting. What's going to happen next? I'm saying a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I must know, and that version of me knows.
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Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean I didn't remember at all. Like, first of all, I completely forgot about the speed dating, Like this was a moment in time before for the dating apps had come about where you could sign up at a restaurant. Miranda does this. It's her storyline and you you it's like, what do they say seven minutes or whatever? And you the guys, the women are just sitting at the table and there's a little bell and like the guys just revolved through. I never did this, but I remember people talking about it. Oh my god, how crazy I.
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Speaker 2: Did one last weekend. They're still out here.
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Speaker 1: So that's the people who are like, we're not going to be on the apps, We're just going to do it in person. I love it because it really is so it is so much precursor of like swiping left or whatever they is that right.
00:04:34
Speaker 2: It's really just poor Man's Riah.
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Speaker 1: Definitely poor Man's Rayah. I love it so. But the funny part is that you are face to face, which is like, you know, much more loaded, don't you better? Better? For sure?
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Speaker 2: Then you don't have to have that moment when you sit down at the cafe and go, oh, for Pete's sake, use a picture from this decade.
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Speaker 1: Have you had that moment, Clark? Because I have not done.
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Speaker 2: It, and maybe some of it with me, I don't wow.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Well if people would know who you are, I don't think they would have that moment.
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Speaker 2: There's you know, if they if they get reruns, they've seen them somewhat decent picture of me.
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Speaker 1: So funny. So the thing that I love is that so Miranda's there, she's you know, being her true Miranda self, and she's saying that she went to Harvard and she's a lawyer, and the guys just immediately look off. They just immediately are like next.
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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't they didn't make them even a little bit ambivalent. They just I mean, know, why don't you think that's hot. I don't don't get this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, it is a real thing. It is a real thing.
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Speaker 2: I think the stewardess thing they call them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I don't know stewardess.
00:05:44
Speaker 2: Now people's heads whip around, like, what did you just say? It's like a racial slur. You got to say flight attendant.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I guess that's true. And she does say at one point.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't she They talk about that.
00:05:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my, we're so on top of it way back in the year two thousand. But it is it funny that, like I think for Miranda too, because then she puts that scarf around her neck when you guys go out or whatever, which is so hysterical. I'd forgotten all of this. She has like a scarf and like her hair's poofy, and like she's fully committed to playing this part. It's so funny. And she's like a floral bra on, which is also funny. And you also, we have no idea that this is coming. I did not remember this when I'm watching it. I one hundred percent believe that you were an er doctor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no, in my character work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you commitch.
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Speaker 2: No, he was. He was the whole thing about the athletes. But that's just because oh I do that now. They didn't have Google. I couldn't have even checked. See. This is also they couldn't have done any digging on each other.
00:06:46
Speaker 1: That is so right. It's a different time. It's so interesting, and this is where I love to look back on because there's some things that still ring so true. Like I do think it rings true that men would not I don't know. I guess it depends on the man, right definitely, if they would be into a Harvard educated lawyer. I think there are some who would not be. But then I think there are some who would be right. Like there's some things that are still really, really really true that we wrote about in nineteen ninety nine's last two thousand and then there's some things that aren't right, and a lot of the logistics have changed, Like we could google people, we would look into people, blah blah blah. You couldn't really lie that much.
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Speaker 2: I presume that you're like me, Yeah, that you fly a fair amount. Yes, And I certainly I remember when what I would consider a kind of aggregate flight attendant, what they would be like, and they're different now.
00:07:38
Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: They're different now, very true. And I look, there's so many terrible things that have happened in terms of flying and how tense it is and how they've crammed us into like you see those Sometimes it'll come up like here's what it was like to fly first class in nineteen sixty seven. Oh my god, it's like you're at Heff's house and everybody's you know, and now it seems like there's some very and they're a little prappy.
00:08:01
Speaker 1: Sometimes this is true now, but also like, how could you not be right? No, it's super intense, super intense to be a flight attendant. I agree. I mean also, I just remember from when I started working, which would have been the first time that I would have ever flown anything other than coach, right, and they would have that little, you know, push cart with the caviar and whatnot, like, and that's not that long ago. I don't feel like, like, how do I mean I know how technically like what happened that made it go down, but it is kind of shocking now. And I do feel like the flight attendant's job is like a whole other level, partly because everyone's always filming all the angry people on the flight that they have to deal with. Does your Instagram show you that, oh yeah, oof.
00:08:41
Speaker 2: Lose their minds upon a flight?
00:08:43
Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible? Oh my goodness me. But yeah, the idea of Miranda actually being a flight attendant is pretty hysterical because you could see she would like cut someone down real quick, you know what I mean. But I love her. Her characterization of it all is adorable. When you went so you knew Cindy who actually wrote this episode, right.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Cindy just barely a little bit, I think.
00:09:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Dan Algrant directed, that's.
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Speaker 2: Right, And I knew Dan through. Some people are just a little bit yeah, oh got it?
00:09:12
Speaker 1: Cool? He was, he was chill. I liked him. He was he was good. He was calm and good. What do you remember about, like, what was it like for you to pay as you said that much?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I hadn't done that much. I still hadn't done that much film stuff, so I remember being kind of nervous, still a little bit like, oh, we're going to do the same thing on this side now. But I also, I don't know, I thought it was funny scenes like they are. I just kind of liked that. I thought it was a funny bit. I do have of the people who come up to me, there is definitely a twink eyed, twinkly eyed person, often a woman who's like you, you're not really an emergency room doctor. And I'm like, it landed for some people.
00:10:00
Speaker 1: Oh definitely.
00:10:01
Speaker 2: So I remember that, I remember it was kind of fun. I just remembered it was kind of fun.
00:10:05
Speaker 1: It was really fun. I mean, it's it's fun because also this episode is kind of serious in a lot of ways because.
00:10:11
Speaker 2: You know, well, you're going through a lot.
00:10:13
Speaker 1: I know so much, so much, and when I look back on it, you've.
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Got the most charming man in the world.
00:10:18
Speaker 1: Kyle, I mean beyond, right beyond.
00:10:21
Speaker 2: I love that so much, so do I, but not his character.
00:10:25
Speaker 1: I know.
00:10:25
Speaker 2: It's I was trying to like work through the innuendo to figure out exactly the specifics of what the problem was. The sales would go up, but they wouldn't stay that way.
00:10:34
Speaker 1: I know, we say a lot of weird things, but we don't actually show it, which is kind of interesting also because on the show we show so much, but in this particular situation, we cut away and I, you know, and then we just show us after the fact and we're discussing it, and it's a little bit vague, and I think it's because Kyle told me, because I didn't remember any of this. What I remember is that I knew Charlotte was going to get what she wanted, and I knew it wasn't good to work out, right, so like everything would look perfect, everything would seem perfect, but then it wouldn't really be, you know, the relationship.
00:11:07
Speaker 2: Frankly, you're having to make a very tough choice. There's so many things about this guy. He loves you, he's devoted, seems to do very well, but you're going to it's a Greek myth, really, but you'll have to give up your smoldering sexual fire.
00:11:25
Speaker 1: That's very kindly, but I know I hadn't.
00:11:28
Speaker 2: Read you think a very modern choice.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: Do you think?
00:11:32
Speaker 2: Yes?
00:11:33
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I was shocked when I looked back on the episode. I didn't really remember it as clearly as we lay it out. You know that I have to kind of like that scene in the bed, and it's one of those things too. I'm very critical of myself, right, so I'm like, oh, did I did I did? I digested enough, Like, do you really feel like it lands for her? I don't know. Did I do enough? I don't know. I'm not sure, you know, But obviously I'm looking at it from now. You know, you you look at things differently at different times in your lives. Obviously, I mean at the time, it was very cool.
00:12:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Okay, listen, I mean I don't have to do a ton of thinking about this.
00:12:15
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, that's what I think. I worry that I didn't take it in enough.
00:12:20
Speaker 2: No, I don't, But that's what I'm saying. Okay, that's it read right to me, because I don't know what I think works about the episode. You know, when I've talked about this episode at various colleges is that we can kind of feel the poll. Yeah, to go along. I can get this part of him going, I can rev up his engines. But you know, now, yeah, I watch it from a modern lens, and I'm like, you're right, this wasn't going to change, and you're standing up for a woman's right to have her own sexual life and freedom.
00:12:55
Speaker 1: Right, right, But I mean I did I did feel that. I did feel that. I mean, I think it's interesting too, because, like I mean, I guess it's also because Charlotte has pursued this thing relentlessly. Right, But like before he comes, I've got this book marriage incorporated. I'm like, oh, I'm going to get married this year, like in so many kind of backwards ways, right, Like Charlotte, God love her, She's so focused on that goal. And that's why it was so great that the writer set it up the way they did. But I think one thing that happened was that we didn't necessarily know we were going to get Kyle, right, Like the idea was, you know, you're going to get a great guy and then it's not going to work out. But then Kyle shows up. I mean, he's not a great guy. He's like a guy.
00:13:41
Speaker 2: He's a dream.
00:13:42
Speaker 1: He's a dream. I know, I know, And I think all of us felt that way across the board because he was only supposed to be there for five episodes, I want to say, and he was supposed to be boring. He was supposed to not be able to perform sexually and to be boring, neither of which was particularly believable, right, do you know what I'm saying? So, and I mean, I know he committed and everything and whatnot, but like he's still Kyle in the end. You know, he's like so charismatic and fascinating, Huddish, and he's scott.
00:14:13
Speaker 2: Someone whose family named greg comes from Gregor. I don't believe any of this. A guy with a kill who's not going to deliver.
00:14:19
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you us about the Scottish guy. I can't remember this, this actor's name.
00:14:24
Speaker 2: Like, it's funny. He was unintelligible.
00:14:26
Speaker 1: Yes, do you think that was a little much or do you think that that was realistic?
00:14:30
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny. It was kind of a bold choice because I couldn't quite understand most of what he me.
00:14:35
Speaker 1: Neither Meani. His name is Richie Coster, and I don't know his deal. I should investigate his deal because some of it he could be day, he could be next he could We could check in with Richie Coster wherever he might be and ask him like, are you really Scottish? Did you? Did you put it on a little a little little too much?
00:14:51
Speaker 2: Which is a really good bit. You could have him on and he'd be like, no, I totally put it on, and then everything else he said would be unintelligible.
00:14:57
Speaker 1: That would be good, that'd be good, that'd be so good. I had remembered vaguely, and Kyle had brought him up because Kyle said he couldn't understand him either, So maybe he just committed fully to the Scottish. I don't know, but he was interesting. I liked it. I liked I liked. There's so many things about this episode that I like. I really wished that your character had gotten to come to my wedding me too, right would.
00:15:29
Speaker 2: Have been a great place. Frankly for someone to cut their finger and him to scream like a girl.
00:15:35
Speaker 1: I know. See, I didn't remember any of that, so I was like, wait, why is he not helping her? Why is he not helping her? When she cuts her finger and you know, and it is so hurt like that she would kind of it's really bleeding, you know, it was really it made me laugh because I didn't remember any of it.
00:15:50
Speaker 2: No, it always felt really bad to me the day, like why can't she admit that she's lying too? And they're like, sorry, it's not gonna happen.
00:15:55
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I wanted her to admit also because then I thought.
00:16:00
Speaker 2: Sure, Also, I love that she's stuck with it. So she's like I was like, She's like, I hope I don't see you in any of my flights, I know. And I was like, well, I wouldn't be in first class if I did. And she was like, no, you wouldn't. And I'm like, hey, this is classest. No. I know.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: It was sad. It was very cutting. It was very cutting, but also I was just I was just sad that you had to go. I mean, I know that that's how we were rolling at that point, like guys would come.
00:16:28
Speaker 2: Through, but the guys came blazing through. And I was telling somebody this morning, I said, I remember there's somebody maybe People Magazine or somebody. Somebody sent me once and it was like of all the little Man Toys that came through, that show, who was the hottest? And it was a ranking like one through fifty, And I of a sudden I was on a text chain with like John Slattery and Neil Pepe and They're like, haha, I'm three above you.
00:16:56
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love that so so so much. I love that so so so much. Our guys, I literally feel like we had the most incredible supporting cast for all the years that we.
00:17:11
Speaker 2: Went right up there with Law and Order, and that it's a rite of passage for New York actor of a certain moment.
00:17:17
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Though we have not done as many episodes as they have, so I guess it was a little harder to get right. But on the other hand, I remember one time to it might. I guess it was the last season we were nominated for a SAG Award, which of course is wonderful because it's the whole ensemble, and we were presenting. I think I guess we were presenting. I don't even know if we were nominated, and oh no, I think we want. I don't know. The point is we were presenting, and I feel for some reason like we went off script, which you're not really supposed to do at the award shows, you know, but I think we did because you're at the SAG Awards and you're just looking at a sea of actors and like Bobby Ken of all A was there, Slattery was there, so many of our co stars, of our guest stars. Funny, we're there, right, and I just felt like we should mention them, you know, because it was really like the wind in our sails that we had. You guys, you know what you said.
00:18:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: I went off I went off book and I mentioned them and then Kim like went right on book and everybody was just kind of left. But I just felt like that's why we're there, right, like, like that's what makes our industry work.
00:18:31
Speaker 2: We were the man toys beneath your wings, I.
00:18:33
Speaker 1: Know, and we needed that. We really needed that, you know. And I think women are so used to playing those parts and men aren't. And I know it takes like a lot to just be like I'm going to go in there and I'm going to I'm going to do this part and then I'm going to go and you know, serve the purpose like it's a it's a it's a lovely thing. I think. Yeah, And I think you were so good and I was sad you didn't get to stay. That's my main thing.
00:18:57
Speaker 2: I want to say. It's true.
00:19:00
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you as a guy when you were you so, if you didn't have HBO and you were on the show, how did you end up seeing your own episode?
00:19:08
Speaker 2: I think by the time it came out, I had acquired a better cable package. Cool something else had happened. I think a writing job. So suddenly I had my first like, oh good, I can watch got It and watch this thing and still have the same feeling she should come clean totally.
00:19:27
Speaker 1: I thought she should have do. I thought she should have do. And then when you were like walking around in life, what was it were people immediately talking to you about it? Was it embarrassing? Was it okay?
00:19:39
Speaker 2: No? I mean, you know, it was a hot show to be to be on and to be you know. What was interesting was I realized, oh my god, everybody's watching this, and certainly every woman in the country's watching this. Yeah. I mean I went to a movie I think in Santa Monica, and I saw people whispering, whispering, and I'm like, she was lying.
00:20:01
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, So this is this is something you've been holding on to since the year two thousand. Listen, I thought the same thing.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: I was.
00:20:10
Speaker 1: Really I did want her to come clean because then I thought you could have bonded over the facial fair felt. I know it's not fair, for sure, but also like, what a beautiful human thing that you would both feel like you had to lie, you know. I thought it was so cute. You're never enough, No, I know, isn't that sad that everyone feels that way. So when you look back at this, because this a whole episode with the exception of you, it's not very funny. It's like pretty dramatic, which I hadn't really remembered.
00:20:40
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that nasty fight between you and Samantha.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I know that scared me. Watching that. I was like, wow, I don't remember this. It was tense.
00:20:51
Speaker 2: But also what's cool about it in terms, it's really an episode that's all about telling the truth.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: I know. It's so brilliant to it.
00:21:00
Speaker 2: That's not in all of them, not in all of any shows that I was like, well, they're really exploring different themes about this.
00:21:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the third season is when our writers really clicked in and we're able to unify the theme that beautifully and the thing in this particular one, because sometimes the theme will be a little bit more esoteric or whatever, you know, like I can't think of one off the top of my head, but it won't be shoes deep yeah, shoes, or a funky spunk or you know, something such like that. But in this one, it is a deep, a deep theme that is, you know, coursing throughout and you guys are a funny version of it, and then both Carrie and Aiden's storyline and Charlotte and Kyle's storyline, it's a much more deep, serious storyline about big, big choices and you know, really revealing yourself to to the person that you love and can you do that? And should you do that? I guess in the in the carry situation.
00:21:59
Speaker 2: Because I and told me, I know, what do.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: You think of that? Do you think she should have told it?
00:22:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna get serious, I think. But also I think it's this girl telling me this. I mean, like, why is she doing that? She's like, there's a big conversation to be had of right, why are you sabotaging another thing? But I but if you tell the guy, I mean, how's he gonna go? How can I trust you?
00:22:25
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean it is interesting because I think I think when I watched it, I am struck by how incredibly good John Corbett and sar Jesca are together, Like they're they're so amazingly connected, which is amazing because she is also equally you know, connected, and has incredible chemistry with Chris os so like it, and they are opposites, you know, in so many ways, the characters and also the people kind of like the vibe or whatever is so different, and she's so skillful in terms of the you know, the depth and the reality that she brings to those relationships. Obviously she's amazing. But I think that she felt that their connection was so intense that she could tell him that she did this and that they would have a fight or whatever it was, and then it would be okay, you know, but it's not. It's sad. It's sad. He looks so crushed. Aiden I feel really bad for him. But then obviously, you know, we know what happens and whatever. But I also many things happen that I don't even remember between now and then, but you know what I mean. But I thought like, and I think when there's a voiceover where they say that that my character that I'm thirty four, because I can never remember how old were actually supposed to be in reality, because I can't separate real life from the fictional life. It seems when I look back on it. And I don't know if this has to do with the innocence of the time compared to now, I feel like we seem younger. Do you know what I mean how so like the kind of does it seem to you because you were back and forth la New York living the similar lives in a way, not to the characters necessarily, but to like in New York whatever, like a New York life, right, do you feel like it they seem young? Yeah? Does it resonate with you like where you were in your life?
00:24:26
Speaker 2: I mean the dilemmas certainly, yeah. I mean you guys were living your characters were living this kind of vary to me very uptown, affluent life that was quite different. That's true, right, a little more bohem But what about.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: The relationship part? Like the stakes. I guess what I'm saying is the steaks seems so high. I mean they're high for Charlotte because Charlotte has this goal of getting married, right, which is very different than my own goals. But like the stakes are so high. But also I feel like the innocence is like I feel like now people are more jaded or I don't know what the word is.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there is for it being kind of very sex forward, sex positive. It does feel like there's an innocence compared to now where perhaps be community for ghost Let's go let's go in. Yeah, perhaps because of apps, yeah, and the various permutations of those, and but also the culture where there is this form of autonomy that should be there. Ye. At the same time, it's made for people like, well, this is what I'm into, this is my transaction. I identify as ethically non monogamous, and right what right? What? Okay? Is that? Like Polly what else? And are you your buy You're you're this kind of buyer that I mean, it's just there's so much awareness that feels healthy in many ways, But at the same time, it feels like some of the innocents, some of the mystery, right.
00:26:02
Speaker 1: Right, right, that's that's well put, that's well put. I think also like I think a lot of it is COVID, right, because we went through this crazy time so young people, you know how what happened with their development of of dating? You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know. The thing about Michael Patrick and Darren that was interesting was you know this the whole show was the show was Darren's idea based on Candace Bushnell's book. Right, So Candace Bushnell was carried Oh no way, Yeah, I hadn't bet her before I'm sure. I'm sure she was fun. She's really fun, but she obviously had been living this life herself. You know, this was what she was cataloging.
00:26:40
Speaker 2: In her right, right.
00:26:43
Speaker 1: But it's actually it's important to talk about because I think for a long time for us, what would happen? People forget that there was a lot of negative about the show in the beginning, right, like, who do these women think they are? You know, how dare they? You know, women don't talk like this, Like there was a lot of kind of you know, sexist, vile things said at us and to us and about us in the beginning, especially you know.
00:27:09
Speaker 2: Better than I, but I certainly, I mean this is only season three.
00:27:14
Speaker 1: Right, exactly? Yeah?
00:27:15
Speaker 2: How many were there in the original.
00:27:17
Speaker 1: Well six and a half?
00:27:20
Speaker 2: Because I remember, I mean a year and a half after this, I am in bed with a baby on my chest with my then wife. Yeah, and she's making us watch it every week. I don't know, it's time for this. Shut up.
00:27:34
Speaker 1: I love it.
00:27:35
Speaker 2: I'm okay, okay, I'll hold the kid.
00:27:37
Speaker 1: You know what. People at the time and this is again a little bit off, but I enjoy it. At the time, a lot of new mothers would come up to us on the street and say like, you're getting me through, You're getting me through. And at the time, I'd be like, that is such an interesting thing because I wouldn't necessarily think that, like, you have a newborn, I'm going to watch single, single ladies. But now that I've had kids, I understand because you're kind kind of being enclosed. You're somewhat trapped in the newborn experience right like you can't you're not living your life in the same way. It's a very big change. So I think it was like an outlet, like a like a fun you know, like how it used to be type thing, because even if everything's going great, you're like you're you're you're just with that baby.
00:28:19
Speaker 2: All you're watching a form of freedom that you not have and will not for a while.
00:28:24
Speaker 1: Beautifully seven and fourteen, Yes, and you're twenty three.
00:28:30
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she moved here about it four three months ago. I'm so happy, fantastic.
00:28:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want mine to leave. Sometimes my mind says that my fourteen is She's like, I'm not I'm not going to go anywhere, And I'm like, that's cool, baby, you don't have to. You don't have to UCLA is right down the road exactly. But we'll see, we'll see. I know I'm supposed to let her, let her go, but you know, maybe not it happened. When it happens right right, right, it'll it'll go the way it's going to go. Him, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he's going to want to go. But you know he's only seven. So but wait, back to way. What was I saying was something about about network? Yes, yes, yes, yes, And I didn't really ever get that before before I had the kids, and then I was like, oh, yeah, no, I totally get it because you're home and you need something fun to watch and you need to feel that freedomly, You're right, that's what it is, the freedom of the choices, you know, Like that's one thing I love about our characters when you watch it because some of these things I don't really remember. What I wanted to say was the man thing. So what would happen when people would get angry about our show, right and they would feel like, well that I've got to tear that show down. One of the ways that they would try to tear it down would be to say they're not really women they're gay men dressed as women because it's written by these two gay guys, which was so unfair and messed up. Oh it's so unfair, right, And.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like anytime women kind of own their.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Sexuality exactly, they have to find some thing to take it away or whatever. But also it's like saying that gay men can't write women. What is that about? Like, you know, no one said William Shakespeare can't write women. I mean maybe some crazy person, but you know what I'm saying. People can write other human experiences. This is the joy of what we do. You know, you don't have to be exactly the thing.
00:30:13
Speaker 2: But also the women that were written were connected with millions and millions of women.
00:30:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely. People don't say that now, thank god, though they do occasionally people will say, oh, I thought gay men wrote that show, And I'll be like, well, can I just show you the list of our female writers. You know, it's long. We have a lot of amazing female writers. But also who cares? You know, like who cares? It's an interesting thing how how they'll try to undercut you.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: You know, that's not what it sounds like, I know, not at all.
00:30:42
Speaker 1: It just reminded me of it. It reminded me of it because I do think when I watch it, there are moments with Samantha where I think, first of all, like she is such a powerful, powerful character because we have not seen her before, and really kind of since I don't think we've seen her, I mean maybe in reality TV. I don't really watch reality TV so much. But the the you know, energy that she has, the like the way that she embraces her sexuality, the complete unapologetic, you know, way that she lives her life is so unusual and different. And I can see in some ways that you know, that was a very like a loud statement made by by Darren and Michael Patrick. In some ways, that's yeah, necessary an interesting one because it's interesting. She's so like even you know, she gets sad and she has all the different feelings this this episode she's she's fine, though it is really interesting when I have that fight with her, Charlotte and she have that fight and fear away. I hadn't remembered that. I hadn't remembered that at all. But I also think it's so realistic, like people get so stressed about their weddings, you know, and just like like lash out at people. And I think also there was so much stress about I've said this before, and there were weird headlines about it, But like, Charlotte is Charlotte, and she wants the big, fluffy wedding gown and she wants everyone to be wearing these identical dresses. And there was a lot of stress for Pat Field, our costume designer, because there was a lot of debate about whether.
00:32:13
Speaker 2: Oh god, it was Pat Field.
00:32:14
Speaker 1: Yes, remember Pat.
00:32:16
Speaker 2: I love her.
00:32:16
Speaker 1: I know she's incredible. She's incredible, and I'm happy that they ended up in their baige dresses. And I love how sar Jessica styled hers with the little tartan you know belt, because that is a very carey thing to do. But I think there was some debate that maybe they shouldn't all be dressed the same, that that's not true to their character. So I think that made its way into that scene. And Samantha is saying, my hem should be shorter, shouldn't I look amazing? And me saying, oh, if I have to be a bridesmaid. She says, if I have to be a bridesmaid, shouldn't I look amazing? And I say, well, you don't have to be a bridesmaid, which is really pretty bold of Charlotte to say. Also, and then she says something like, well, I thought you wanted me to be, and I said, no, I just didn't want to leave you out, which is like kind of cutting, you know, like ouch.
00:33:01
Speaker 3: But but but because at the same time, you get why you might want to cut her out, because the why do you got to be the hot bridesmaid is being a bridesmaid's dresses.
00:33:13
Speaker 2: No, you're going to try to We're going to try to make everybody look a little frumpier so mama can shine.
00:33:20
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, Clark. I see, I don't really it's funny too, Like I didn't really realize that so much until my friends started getting married, you know what I mean, Like I didn't really I thought everyone wanted to look great or whatever. But then I realized, like, no, you're you're you're technically you're in a support role and you need to know that when you're a bridesmaid, you're in a supporting role. That's important, you know, but sometimes challenging. Okay, I want to talk about Carrie and Aiden a little bit. And the big thing I hadn't really remember this that it was this in depth, But I like, what do you think of Aiden as a guy?
00:34:08
Speaker 2: You know, oh, appealing in this? And you didn't know I didn't.
00:34:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
00:34:18
Speaker 2: He's really into her.
00:34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:34:20
Speaker 2: He seems to have an interesting kind of muted like not mud, it's not the right term. A gentle form of masculinity.
00:34:27
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, he's kind of.
00:34:31
Speaker 2: He's talking about the kinds of trees and the way that they complement each other. I'm like, listen, if you could find somebody like this on a dating app, you would you would check out of the game.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: That's what I thought you.
00:34:46
Speaker 2: Want? Or do you want the kind of like slightly slutty bad guy in Big?
00:34:52
Speaker 1: I mean, is Big slightly slutty? That's super interesting. I had never thought of him that way. I would describe Big as a slightly withholding or very withholding, a bad guy or power power or whatever he's Why.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: Is he being withholding because he's working some other angles? I don't know.
00:35:08
Speaker 1: Oh, I love to hear the man's.
00:35:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Listen, It's true.
00:35:15
Speaker 1: You were right, you were right that whole time he was holding.
00:35:17
Speaker 2: Really it was like a finance bro and I think of them possibly in an acquisition any kind of yes, why not? Why is he not locking that down?
00:35:29
Speaker 3: Right?
00:35:30
Speaker 1: This is good? This is very good. This is why we need the men to come on the podcast. Okay, we need to cut through it, all right, we need to cut through it so when you're watching Aiden, because I also had forgotten and because I know Corbett and Corbett is not like he obviously he's bringing all that to it, but like he I wouldn't describe Corbett as a soft masculinity. He's like super masculine, you know, Like have you ever met Corbett?
00:35:55
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.
00:35:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a character and like a one of a kind in the visual, but very I would describe him as more you know, like straight up masculine, masculine, masculine, you know what I'm saying, Like he's he's also really we're.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: Talking about the moment where she drops the bomb on him, and there's so many ways to react to that. Yeah, And it's such a primal wound whether one likes. Because you know, you walk around as a male and you have several brains in there. One of them that is in charge way more than you want it to be is about eighty million years old, and it has reactions to things like that that don't make any sense to you, but they completely take over the ship. Yeah, and I don't know. There just was a way where he just and I think it was some of the writing leaned into this kind of like just really, wow, you've really really I don't have to say it really hurts.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I know it was so good. I thought it was so good.
00:37:00
Speaker 2: That's what I mean by the kinder.
00:37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, oh, I know what you mean exactly. No, No, No, he doesn't know none of those. No, I'm not I'm not disagreeing in any way. I just think it's interesting because John isn't that way himself. Right, So he's really doing a great job, you know with what was written, right, ye, Like he's really uh deepening it and it's so sad, like you feel so sad for Aiden, But then I also felt I felt, I also really was. I was so torn because I do feel for Carrie. Like here she's got this amazing thing. She's of course messed up by cheating with Big, but she wants it to work out, which is why she tells him because she doesn't want to have the lie. She can't sleep at night because she has the lies. She's out there smoking on the stoop. Right, you can't really live like that, you know, like like it's it's taking over her her mind. It's like in between them even, you know, because because she hasn't told them, right, like it's living there in her, in her vision, it's living there like I did this. I don't deserve of him, you know, basically, which I felt for No, did you no? You?
00:38:05
Speaker 2: No? Well no, I agree with everything you're saying. I guess, and I'm looking at it from a present day lens, and I thought there's so many deep personality red flags. I'm sorry. I know it's a fun, loving, promiscuous show. But if you like this guy and you went and had an affair for three weeks, to me, the conversation should be very different. But that's very of this moment, Like, Okay, we have to talk because I've done something horrible. I don't understand what happened. It's not okay with me. I don't blame you if you never you know what I mean. Like, I think the conversation is, what the hell is wrong with me that I would do this to somebody? I think it came off a little. I got to tell you this thing that happened. It's not like you didn't trip over a pothole and land on a naked guy. You did it for three weeks.
00:39:06
Speaker 1: It's so true.
00:39:07
Speaker 2: It's true, moral judgment, it's just right.
00:39:10
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't present it well ly.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: You have no respect for me or this relationship, or you wouldn't have done it, yike.
00:39:17
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I understand. I mean I think it's an interesting thing.
00:39:20
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe that's my dad. I still carry those kind of moral hard lines.
00:39:27
Speaker 1: I think. But but I mean I get what you're saying exactly. And I think part of the thing about Carrie which is interesting is that on the one hand, she is this seeker and she's writing this column about you know, I wonder this, and I wonder that that's true.
00:39:40
Speaker 2: He's getting with he's getting with the sex columnists, and like, you're never going to believe this, but I slept with somebody else for three weeks. It's like, this is what my friend said would.
00:39:49
Speaker 1: Happen, which is probably true. But the thing that's great about Aiden, and the reason they're interesting together, is that he's kind of not New York like sometimes you don't even know if he understands what she does, do you know what I mean? Like he's he's not of her.
00:40:02
Speaker 2: Work beat cut and he is.
00:40:05
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an episode where they're going to go to the country, coming right, they go to the country.
00:40:09
Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta watch the show again.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, clearly, clearly, you've got to watch the whole thing. But you know that he's but he's so you know, he's disarming because of that, right, because he's not of her world, whereas Big was very much of her world. But yet she doesn't like she's not she's not worked out. And so there's been a lot of conversation about Carrie since the show ended about you know, she's a narcissist, she's this that, blah blah blah. But I mean, obviously we wouldn't have had a show if she was worked out. You can't write about about.
00:40:39
Speaker 2: People who nobody wants to see a show about happy people enjoying life now.
00:40:43
Speaker 1: And also like who is that happy all the time anyway? Right, Like all of us have areas of not being worked out at some point, not all the time. I am. I think my general vibe, like my general energy is happy, but like I have my you know, we I'm.
00:41:00
Speaker 2: My dark day. Do you have a dark day?
00:41:03
Speaker 1: Definitely? I might try to hide it, you know what I'm saying. No, no, you know, like I probably wouldn't like come here and be like I'm having a bad day on my podcast.
00:41:14
Speaker 2: I think people think I'm People are like, I just love how you're always smiling, and I'm like, what the talking about? I'm a dark, tortured being. Are you crazy?
00:41:25
Speaker 1: That's interesting? But I do think of you as being like kind of nice and easy going. Is that not true? Inside? Wow? Interesting?
00:41:33
Speaker 2: I have a certain amount of Yeah, me too, I have a certain amount of I enjoy humans, I enjoy existing in the world. But I definitely wake up in the middle of the night, like on the ninth Circle.
00:41:46
Speaker 1: Of Hell, Me too, Me too.
00:41:50
Speaker 2: I've been wondering this lately, like why is it so dark in here in the middle of the night, like things are good?
00:41:56
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I might. I'm just gonna say what I tell myself in the middle of the night when I wake up, because I do wake up pretty frequently, and there'll be some particular little my new show on my mind. But what I think is the collective, like we're just living through some crazy times.
00:42:13
Speaker 2: What do you mean.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: We're not going to go into it because that's not my podcast, but you know what I mean, it's it's hard not to be affected by.
00:42:21
Speaker 2: It, you know.
00:42:22
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you about your new show, because first of all, I need to understand what network or whatever you want to call it. It's on. Explain.
00:42:31
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it you fast.
00:42:32
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:42:34
Speaker 2: There's a terrific producer in La been around for a while, Hillary Shore.
00:42:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves her.
00:42:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's really fantastic, really good. I think she would not mind when I say she's one of the great broads amazing all time. And she and this wonderful guy who I didn't know, Aaron Rappaport, a guy here. They it's like it's like the first year of Sun Dance in a way. Wow, they formed an indie.
00:42:59
Speaker 1: Streamer, what an indust.
00:43:01
Speaker 2: Downloaded an indie streamer called the Now Oh my god, just downloaded onto your Apple TV. And what they chose to make. They have another show, I think they maybe, But they've made a period drama about a murder, a couple of murders in the gilded age Stanford White, who was murdered by a guy named Harry Thaw in a fit of jealous rage over his seventeen year old wife, Evelyn Nesbit, played by this wonderful young seventeen year old actress. She might have been fifteen. The real girl, Eva Andersoner's mom is Milla Jovivich and who yoah, shocking, but it's many petek and Janet McTeer and Patty and Asia and Danny Houston and for a shoe string. They made this period piece set in nineteen oh five ish New York and it's quite good. Oh.
00:43:53
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see.
00:43:54
Speaker 2: How they pulled it off. So that's that is exciting. What I'm here to get people to do is to try to among the very important topics for Unpacking Network and watch this thing because it's not Netflix.
00:44:07
Speaker 1: So they need people to This is amazing.
00:44:10
Speaker 2: It's an artist driven thing, great, the United Artists type thing, Like I'm going to go and talk to them next week about a show I want to try to make with them, because this isn't great. If we could take it over ourselves, we would maybe not get so screwed in the negotiations.
00:44:23
Speaker 1: Definitely also like the consolidation situation in our industry is so at such a crazy, crazy level, and we've got to create new things so that everything isn't going to be glombed into one thing.
00:44:33
Speaker 2: You know.
00:44:34
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's crazy town. So I'm so excited to hear that, and I will download it and I will watch it because I'm excited. I'm excited to support always very exciting. Got to support the indie, any indie anything, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you've been incredible. I'm going to ask you one slightly crazy question. Are you ready scared?
00:44:55
Speaker 2: Little Clark?
00:44:57
Speaker 1: Are you a Charlotte?
00:44:59
Speaker 2: I really want to be.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: That's a very sweet answer, But what do you think you really are? You can be honest, it's cool.
00:45:08
Speaker 2: Do you name which one of the people you.
00:45:09
Speaker 1: Will if you want to? You can be a part of different ones. If you don't say Miranda, I'm going to be shocked a little bit of Miranda.
00:45:17
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't feel like I don't feel that.
00:45:20
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, okay.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: You don't feel that.
00:45:22
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't feel Miranda.
00:45:25
Speaker 2: I feel more, I mean, honestly of you. You're gonna have to bill me and we're gonna have to go for another fifty minutes. But I feel like I live as a duality in that I have at least two of them.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: That's okay, waiting at all, which to which.
00:45:42
Speaker 2: To Charlotte, Okay, I think of Charlotte as softer, good girl, confused by some of her darker, naughty impulses. Yes, well, put perhaps I'm not sure.
00:45:54
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's.
00:45:56
Speaker 2: Been a little bit too analytical and in her head too much, as I would kind of say Carrie. Yes, and there's always the specter of my nineteen eighties Samantha on my shoulders.
00:46:10
Speaker 1: Love it, love it. That's great, that's great. I also am m part Charlotte park Caerrey. I don't really, I don't know that I have a Samantha. I probably should want to have a Samantha, but I'm definitely half and half, so I really there were the same Love it, love it. Thank you for being with us, Thanks so much for having me. It's so fun.
00:46:29
Speaker 2: I wish I had another episode so I could come back.
00:46:31
Speaker 1: I know, I know, that's what I mean. We should have kept you longer.
00:46:34
Speaker 2: I'll come back and talk about one. It's Slattery's episodes.
00:46:37
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic, when you see slattery, tell him he needs to come talk to me.
00:46:40
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh it's the next call I make.
00:46:43
Speaker 1: Yay, thank you so much, and anyone else on that text chain, okay, because we love to have to look up that article I want to see.
00:46:51
Speaker 2: You have to make a part of your thing because you have to be like, how does it feel to be number twenty seven out of thirty?
00:46:57
Speaker 1: That hurts? That hurts just to feel it, just just to think about it.
00:47:01
Speaker 2: There was a lot of trash talk on the text threat.
00:47:03
Speaker 1: Oh I bet it was. Where was Bobby?
00:47:07
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
00:47:08
Speaker 1: Funny it's so funny because he plays funky spunk and I'm just dying to ask him how embarrassing that was. I don't think I've ever asked in that and we worked together after the fact, but I don't think I didn't have my podcast you know self yet right where I interviewed people. How did you feel being mister funky Spunk? I mean, what a surreal thing? You know what I mean? But yeah, we've had so many great actors and this always.
00:47:29
Speaker 2: I guess I should feel really good that I didn't walk out of there with a name like that.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: I think so I think you got to.
00:47:34
Speaker 2: Agree people calling out character names when I'm walking down the street, I don't need any funky spunk like I know.
00:47:40
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how am I going.
00:47:42
Speaker 2: To explain that to the woman I'm on a date with right now?
00:47:46
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.
00:47:47
Speaker 1: That's why I'm dying to get Bobby. I'm dying to get Bobby someday. So I do have this other thing where like, at any time, they can come and I'll just do like a little side episode with them, because people love to see you guys if you see them in.
00:47:58
Speaker 2: A restaurant, just like, listen you mind, if we just.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Do oh I will, I'll just be like, here's my phone, talking to the phone, talking to the phone. Then I'm going to just be a menace and everyone's going to be like avoid Kristen Davis, but hopefully not. Thank you for coming, mister Joey. Yes, me too, me too. Don't freeze out there. Okay, okay, good, have a great day. By There are some things that we didn't talk about, So I'm going to continue my recap. You guys join me on, are you a Charlotte. We'll recap some more of the fantastic episode don't ask, don't talk