Feb. 5, 2026
Sister Wives with Marcia Cross (S3 E13 "Escape From New York")
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RSS Feed Marcia Cross joins Kristin to continue to take you behind the scenes of the Los Angeles episodes! Miranda riding the bull at Saddle Ranch ripping open her shirt, Matthew McConaughey causes a ruckus, and the STAMP experiment!
Find out why Marcia Cross was jealous of Charlotte!!!
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
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Speaker 1: It's Marcia across everybody, thanks for joining us. Here we go, let's talk about the Carry storyline. So she's been flown out by what she describes as a small production company. Of course, this is the olden days when these things did exist. Now who knows. And then Sarah Michelle Geller plays so good.
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Speaker 2: She was fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Were you scarred? Yes?
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Speaker 2: I mean she just did it so well. She did it like she did it. It was like straight.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to walk onto a show and be really good of running you know, a show, yeah, and do like I just thought she was great.
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Speaker 2: I nailed it.
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Speaker 1: Boom, I agree, and it was I was thinking that in some ways, it's almost too insidery that they make her junior executive, like she probably should have been an agent.
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Speaker 2: I see what you say, because like you know, how she's.
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Speaker 1: Like weird exactly we know the different It doesn't matter to anyone, but how she's like calling across the room and everything like that is such a known It was perfect, right, It's scary it's so scary, and Carrie is like, what is happening?
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Speaker 2: You know, which I really love as well, but also to me it is so funny.
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Speaker 1: Then later, so then she meets with Matthew McConaughey, which is a trip and a half.
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Speaker 3: My god, I know, and he god, he was on right. I was like, oh my god, it really is him, It really is him.
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Speaker 1: And he ad libbed as you can tell. Okay, yeah, I didn't know that. I do not think all that was in there. I don't remember what was in there. There had been a glass coffee table that he jumped on and shattered.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, like it was a full on wow. We had our first.
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Speaker 1: Blackberries back then, the little ones that went on.
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Speaker 4: Your that's just like a right, you just cartoon, right, just text me like like Matthew McConaughey's living, like what he's so great, fantastic, and her she's just honestly reacting to him at that point, like what on earth?
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Speaker 1: But how many meetings have you been in when people have said some crazy?
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Speaker 3: Can I tell you how happy I was when because I didn't remember the episode even, I'm so happy she didn't go back.
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Speaker 2: Were you? Oh my god. I was like, yes, because I was confused happy. I didn't remember.
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Speaker 1: Any of it.
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Speaker 2: I didn't either, but I are you Were.
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Speaker 1: You happy because you felt like it would be like selling out? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I felt like I felt like most people come to La and they'll do anything, yeah, to get anywhere. And because she was she is who she is on the show in life, but you know that she was like yeah, no, and.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unexpected and I didn't remember it at all, and I was like, wait.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't didn't either. I was like, yeah, I was, Yes, I know.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I was.
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Speaker 2: Shocked and I couldn't tell if it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they are trying in the voiceover to relate it to the fact that they're trying to tell her about Big and Carrie, which of course is herself right, right, right, which I also completely get and understand, like, you know, she has a strong enough sense of herself to say, like, you're not going to tell me. And also the thing that I loved about it that I hadn't remembered at all is that McConaughey is doing the thing that was the normal thing to do, which is making it from the male perspective exactly. That's what they mean too, like no, no, basically can't make it from her, and then like what the fuck is wrong with Carrie? He goes and she's like, and.
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Speaker 3: Let's be real because a lot of time has gone by and that's how everything was everything. So that was another reason why I was like that, didn't you know yes, no, yes, I mean that we don't have a choice.
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Speaker 2: We like we went for whatever three parts there were.
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Speaker 1: But totally and you you kind of just tried to sit there in the meeting with the waggy they might be saying, right, and then when he goes like do you know when when he goes when McConaughey goes like, you know, let's or whatever, and she's like, uh uh, you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we been in that situation? A lot? I would be a whole nother podcast exactly. But it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about it because like also that it was like when people go, well, why didn't you leave or why did.
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Speaker 5: You do this?
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Speaker 2: Or my god, always be caged in a way where they.
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Speaker 3: Were convoluted and restuff and you're not sure. I literally said to people nothing ever happened to me, and then I've gone, are you out of your mind? Like that's how convoluted it is? I agree, okay, yeah, so and then I'd go like, I'm so I'm lying and I don't even know that. I'm like, oh, sorry, just off topic here, but no, right, yes, you like you can take an advantage of it in so many ways that you didn't even quite realize it, like right, And also when we say that, all we mean is it wasn't the worst case scenario that we now know.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, that's us, that's us going, oh, nothing happens normal, right, because it was so normous. Soon it was every day all day.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this play I'm doing, they brought in, you know, to miss the coordinator and I was like, I wasn't there, So I said, what.
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Speaker 1: Was it like?
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Speaker 2: Because I'm so fascinated.
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Speaker 3: It's a trip, and I know, nothing really huge happens in the play, but it was like, I guess the boundaries were really clear. And I said, you know what, the first time I did something Chris Chostopherson, it was with Christostopherson. He was a total gentleman, right, I said, And then he hit on me afterwards, right, and that was perfectly fine.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: He took care of me during the scene, which is great.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, which is so.
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Speaker 2: I was done back then? Absolutely absolutely fascinating.
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Speaker 3: That super interesting, Right, I've had bad and good though. Okay, yeah, you've had the coordinators, you mean, yes, God, where it wasn't good, Okay, where it wasn't good, Like I had this one woman right before COVID, right when it was kind of brand new. It was on a very weird movie that I'm really not going to say the word of because I really hope no one ever watches it again. But I had a great actor who I also I'm not going to say his name so that you don't know, but he was going to protect me anyway.
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Speaker 1: I didn't need any you know what I'm saying. We know you know used to write. He was a professional, felt totally comfortable with him. And this lady, the intimacy coordinator had been a dancer. Okay, So she came to both this actor and I, who was a veteran actor, and said like, I'm going to count you down kiss two, three, what Russ two?
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Speaker 2: And we were like no, no, what? No?
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Speaker 1: And then oh god she was so then I started avoiding her, right.
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Speaker 2: I was like, that lady's.
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Speaker 1: Gonna gona like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just gonna avoid that lady. So I was like, you're not already confused enough, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: You don't need that, right, So I was like, yeah, we were just like, you know, we're cool, We're cool, We're good. But then there was this other scene involving this other actress and it's a long story, but I avoided her so much that she would plan herself by my chair and she'd be like, we need to talk about the fingering scene.
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Speaker 2: I'd be like what.
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Speaker 6: I'd be like, please, don't ever say. I just put somebody in the middle of the most kind of delicate things that we have to do, and you hope that they're there to protect you, but they can also kind of scare the shit out of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the lady was, you know, something out of it, Yes, like the kind of whatever specialness that you could try to bring a person gone, right, Yeah, So I was.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh God Jesus. But then when we did have it on inun just like that, it was good because just personally they say like, what do you need me to do? And you could say I'm worried about I see this, or I'm worried about that or whatever it was.
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Speaker 2: So they were eyes at the monitor. They could then help you. That's good. Yeah, that was really nice.
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Speaker 1: And then they just had to like just appease Michael that they were going to do what he wanted. You know what I'm saying that they were not there to get in the way, you know, because I think for the directors it's like a whole other person to deal with.
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Speaker 2: I don't want that, but I think it's.
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Speaker 1: Great because it's just that little security in case you get in a situation that you don't know.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you have to have it, I mean now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But I think some people are confused and think that it's because we were somehow hit on in the moment of the sex scene by directors or something.
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Speaker 2: Which I really not know when it happens.
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Speaker 3: Neither, it was like trying to grab your feeling up at least not for the moment.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not my issue, no me, neither me neither. I think it's some other weird way, right exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, A more concluted way, and it's not on the set, so that if the intimacy coordinator is only on the set, it's not protecting you from that other stuff.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's interesting. Is nobody ever explains that to the rest of the world.
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Speaker 2: That's no, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No one knows, and no one explains it to you when you're starting out.
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Speaker 2: So are you kidding? Right? And it wasn't even in the zeitgeist back then.
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Speaker 1: So no, it's super interesting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It's changed, hasn't it changed?
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Speaker 1: I know?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the show. It's so much fun though. Okay, so this is a fun episode.
00:08:59
Speaker 1: We begin the episodisode with myself and Kyle being back in New York.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was a little jealous. I was a little jealous. I'm like, I don't know if I can watch this. And he was so young, he was such a baby, or both such babies. And then with this, you know, Penis and then and I was like, oh my god, I mean right, and isn't he's so cute? So he's so cute. I mean, don't we just love him so much?
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Speaker 3: You know? My opening scene with him was like when I was like, here this is Kyle. And then we were like making out in a rain storm and I didn't even know him. I was like, okay, let's go.
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Speaker 2: I mean, right, I had such a good man and he sauch a good man.
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Speaker 1: I had to immediately make out with him as well. Though you're a tough jobs really really hard job, really really hard job.
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Speaker 2: I know, Gosh, I do one crazy thing. Sorry, yes, if you want to.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So you know, I got pregnant, like on Desperate So I'm working with Kyle. We're like getting married. I'm totally nauseous in real life, you know, I mean, some beautiful bridal gown. But I'm like, right, and then we get married on the show, and you know, and I have my babies, right, And then when I'm on the show, Desiree gets pregnant, and so he had Callum, she had Callum, they had CALARII on the show. And now Callum and my daughters have been in school together. No they're now gone off to college. But it's amazing. If someone had told me this years ago that I was going to be looking at you know, Callum and savvy or Callum wondering.
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Speaker 2: Whatever, I'd be like, are you kidding me anyway. Is just unbelievable. I love it so much. It's so good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I The thing that I do love about our you know what we do, is that sometimes you get to have this kind of long relationship with people and you might not see them all the time, but then the kind of interconnectedness of all of it is quite amazing.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, it is.
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Speaker 1: It was really nice to have him too. And you know, now Callum has grown and when he first came on the show, he was dating Desiree, but he never mentioned her, so I didn't know that he was dating Desiree, right, I never at her for like the longest time. I read in the paper that they got engaged.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, Kyle, you got engaged and he was like, oh yeah, I've been living there.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But he's just very professional also where I think he wouldn't have been necessarily talking to me about that, you know what I mean. But it is all amazing, And of course we see her, you know, I was powered. I was to my daughter, look at this woman just as a mover and shager. Most is definitely most devili Yes, yes, and Kyle's just such a sweetheart cut to the episode, and I mean the thing that's so funny too, and it's of course the character of Charlotte, you know, but like the I just feel so bad for them with this impotent situation, right.
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Speaker 2: Hysterical, and he won't talk about it.
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Speaker 1: And then Carrie she I call k well, we're all you know, we've gone to something and I'm trying to kiss him and all, and he's focused on the wedding gifts. And I'm just like I thought it would be on the honeymoon. I thought it would be.
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Speaker 3: I feel terrible, so sweet though, and then I couldn't figure out how did she do the stamp?
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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't figure it out either.
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Speaker 2: I don't really get that. I like, it has to be attached to something.
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Speaker 1: If well, I think I wrap it around his penis, but this penis.
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Speaker 3: Only Oh oh, you have to do it very tight then if I must, I thought it was even more like that.
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Speaker 2: No, I think it's yeah during the night. I know, no, hey, why not, this is a show. I'm like, okay, I shouldn't remember it either.
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Speaker 1: So I was also with you, like, what on earth did Carrie just tell her to do. This is interesting and also Carrie goes into like I'm a relationship columnist mode.
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Speaker 2: She goes into it, this is what you should do, which I really liked.
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Speaker 1: Like Charlotte needs practical advice.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's very sweet when you the thing, when you realize you know, but it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, I know, I'm like, why do we think that's such a great thing?
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Speaker 2: That's what's so great about your character though, because it's like the absolute brilliance of the moment and then the oh no, definitely definitely.
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Speaker 1: And it's really funny because sometimes and there's a lot of this that I don't remember at all, right, Like if there are things that are very clear to me, and then like that whole storyline, I have no memory.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have plenty of that in my life, so I understand, like I show, I don't even remember, right.
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Speaker 1: So it's fun to watch because you don't know what the heck you're gonna do.
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Speaker 2: It's zark because that's your body and that's yourself.
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Speaker 3: I always wonder if, like you know, like these new drugs they have, like if you are under does your mind containing all those memories right somewhere in you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think it must, right, but you just don't remember. And I think that's the weirdest thing.
00:13:40
Speaker 1: I do think it's.
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Speaker 2: Weird, like no memory. I agree anyway, I totally understand.
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Speaker 1: I think the thing for me that I come back to is that I remember Kyle right like off camera, So I think that it's all intertwined and so it's meshed together in a way where you can't separate it out right, So like what you filmed wouldn't have been the most important thing to me as a person, no.
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Speaker 3: Because sort of tap dancing on the side, totally funny.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: Adorable, being so light, you know, like all the things like being just such a joy, right, and that's definitely what And you had.
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Speaker 2: A little dog at the time. But you know how I feel about dog, so you.
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Speaker 5: Know yet topic that's great. I never thought i'd be a dog. I'm so glad you have a I'm justly allergic. Remember when you got Golden, I was like, I can't come here.
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Speaker 2: You to die.
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Speaker 1: You had to sit on the top of the I know, because there was just like Golden Retriever everywhere.
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Speaker 2: I know, so awful.
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Speaker 3: And then I had kids, and of course at some point, you know, I go to it, but you wind up with a dog, and that dog winds of yours. Yeah, and I literally love my I have a doodle and doodle I washed my hands. They're probably a thousand times a day because I'm still allergic.
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Speaker 2: But doodles are better. I love her, right, I'm glad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they of you because of that never in my life.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 1: So that I have a little dog now, yeah, because my son likes little dogs. I was like, okay, it's fine.
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Speaker 2: He's won me over.
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Speaker 1: He is like a Chihuahua mixed with all different kinds of terriers and.
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Speaker 2: Minpin. Don't ask me. I mean, he's just an amalgam.
00:15:24
Speaker 1: He's adorable, he's very cute.
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Speaker 2: We do love him. We do love him. I mean, anyway, yes, you have a big dogs. One day, I'm gonna have some big dogs again, you know what I'm saying. One day one day. But Kyle had a little dog. It was adorable. He bring it.
00:15:38
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. So anyway back to us.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, we're we're we're we're there. We're in New York.
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Speaker 1: Charlotte is her innocent self unable to get her adorable husband to talk about impotence, which I mean, I guess would be hard, but like also like at a certain point you're like really like, oh my god, I can't even imagine the terror.
00:15:58
Speaker 3: I didn't play it really well by stay well, yeah, because that has to be the most I don't remember what happens on the show.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: How does it?
00:16:04
Speaker 1: I mean told me we go to therapy?
00:16:06
Speaker 2: Oh okay, did we go to therapy?
00:16:08
Speaker 5: Yeah?
00:16:08
Speaker 2: We didn't go yet. He told me we're gonna go okay, and I was like that's good. Yeah, but his.
00:16:12
Speaker 1: Character does not want to talk about it, and that's what ends up breaking us up.
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Speaker 2: I think. I think meaning like.
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Speaker 1: He can't you know, when people get to their limit and they just can't deal with their issues. That's and then I would have a baby, and we try to have a baby, but then he doesn't really care and he gives me the cardboard baby, Oh my god, yes, which he still remembers is being really horrible, and I was like, oh, I have totally forgot about.
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Speaker 2: The cardboard Baby. I do remember the Cardboard Baby.
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Speaker 1: I have to go watch.
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Speaker 2: It's a thing.
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Speaker 1: It's a thing. He thinks it's funny or whatever, but I took it as like a misplaced like when you're really uncomfortable about that subject. Yeah, yeah, you do do things totally. And then in the end I say to him, like, I thought this is what we wanted. I remember this scene and he says, well, I'd just rather play golf.
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Speaker 2: Oh I think I remember that enough.
00:17:01
Speaker 1: And then you're like, well, it doesn't matter how adorable you are, doesn't this is not gonna work.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: It's so sad. At least that package is so good. Oh my god.
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Speaker 7: I mean also when he came on the podcast, he was like, I do have this memory of me playing tennis in the nighttime and the makeup art is covering me and baby and I was like what And then they pulled it up and.
00:17:21
Speaker 2: I was like the beauty, all the beauty about Kyle. Though we're gonna stop talking about Kyle.
00:17:31
Speaker 3: Is you do people like grow into who they are, Like, nothing about Kyle was good looking leading man.
00:17:38
Speaker 2: True, he is like just a inside he's a completely different guy.
00:17:41
Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 2: So that's just kind of like was there, but that's not really like who he is. I think that's why I disarming.
00:17:48
Speaker 1: It's disarming because when they're that good looking and they know it and they're kind of knowing that at all, you don't like it.
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Speaker 2: No, but when they don't seem to know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also not really attached to him, like he just happens to.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: Be living in that body but really yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker 3: Yes, no, and he's just like a sweetheart listening hours.
00:18:08
Speaker 1: People want us to talk about Kyle Marshaw because they post about us on Instagram or whatever.
00:18:12
Speaker 2: Like, I think it'll be cool. We can always you know, will edit what I mean, you will have a special episodes. Everybody who's ever been played opposite? Can you die of embarrassment? If he was here? Probably?
00:18:23
Speaker 1: Can I tell you just one little other side? I think maybe I shouldn't say he came on the podcast. It was so exciting. I was waiting till he appeared on the show. Yes, it would be appropriate. He also has a podcast, so yeah, we're talking about that. And we talked about all different kind of stuff and he only remembers some things. But it was super interesting. And at the end we did this TikTok video thing. It was really fun.
00:18:42
Speaker 2: Thank you amazing, oh, thank you so much. Very scary way.
00:18:44
Speaker 1: I thought for sure he was going to play Nikky and I was going to be and then they were like, no, thank you so much.
00:18:50
Speaker 2: I was dying.
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Speaker 1: I was panic.
00:18:51
Speaker 2: Good, thank you, Marcia. I appreciate that there was like two takes, but thank you. Oh my god. All propriate, I know, just reminded me.
00:19:01
Speaker 1: He really is speak guy, right, yeah, so sweet and really yeah. It was just such a gift to have him on the show, and especially because Charlotte had never had any one of any significance.
00:19:13
Speaker 2: Right, it's just guy, guy, guy, guy guy.
00:19:16
Speaker 1: Then to have Kyle Kyle, who is just a gem brilliant, and then you got him.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm in and I started this episode and then I'm like, no, no, I need a break.
00:19:28
Speaker 2: I call Carrie, which is great.
00:19:29
Speaker 1: Carrie gives me the advice to try to put some paper around his penis bizarre. Okay, I've never heard this advice, but whatever, Charlotte's game. So Charlotte puts really funny and weird and she looks the stamp and puts it around while he sleeps through it.
00:19:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:19:45
Speaker 3: I do think that, Like, okay, well that's our TV convention, totally he convention.
00:19:49
Speaker 1: But he looks so adorable doing it.
00:19:52
Speaker 2: He looks like a little kid do you know what I mean?
00:19:54
Speaker 1: Just happy sleeping and then in the morning the paper's broken, which theoretically would mean that he has no physical problem with Charlotte. Thinks that's great, and then Charlotte suddenly realizes we hear in the voiceover, maybe that's not great because that means it's emotional, which makes her get on a plane to go to I'm going to watch the d next episode then, okay, because I haven't seen that episode.
00:20:16
Speaker 2: Oh the other LA one.
00:20:17
Speaker 1: Yes, this is when we go to the Playboy mansion.
00:20:19
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, Okay.
00:20:20
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, it's fair. It's all very interesting. I mean to me there, it's like it's like we did a mini movie. You know what I'm saying.
00:20:27
Speaker 2: They're both that's kind of works, like to go because that's location. Yes, yes, yes, and.
00:20:32
Speaker 1: We're crossboarded and all that stuff.
00:20:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker 1: So I show up in LA and they are all having very interesting things. I had fully forgotten about the porn storyline that Samantha meets a guy at a bar.
00:20:43
Speaker 2: That's something I know.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that we filmed liked it was so funny. Actually, right, we filmed that that Hustler on Sunset. Oh really, And I remember just being like semi mortified to.
00:20:54
Speaker 2: Go in there.
00:20:55
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, what were they so mortivied about?
00:20:57
Speaker 3: You don't know it was Tesla Hustler back then, that's ranch, Like yeah right, and the Southern girl.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: Come on.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: I know, I know, totally, totally totally, but it is funny to think back, like I was on a showcle Sex and City, but I was still.
00:21:09
Speaker 5: You know.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: Risten exactly. It's all meshed up.
00:21:14
Speaker 1: And so I thought that storyline was really funny because I like the storylines where Samantha is like the guy.
00:21:19
Speaker 2: In the relationship slaved me. I thought that was hysteric, wasn't it funny?
00:21:23
Speaker 4: God?
00:21:24
Speaker 2: And he's like, can I tell you more about myself?
00:21:26
Speaker 1: And she's like.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: So good and says I write poetry. She's like, oh god. And then he stands up and that guy is really good. I can't remember great, he's really good. He kind of like moves his hands, which is a great poetry.
00:21:42
Speaker 1: And she's just like rolling her eyes, just can barely, can barely get through it.
00:21:46
Speaker 2: And then and then.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: He says he wants to move to New York.
00:21:49
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well, you know, I like that. She was straight up with me too.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: She thought that quick man, she thought quick. She was like, no, no, I have an answer. Yeah, I couldn't share you with are women. I thought the whole storyline was really great and too. I love it when she is like the guy like fully, like the guy just wanted yep, and yeah she didn't want to hear nothing about him.
00:22:09
Speaker 7: Nope.
00:22:10
Speaker 2: She didn't want to talk about herself.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: Nope, not at all. I'm totally into it. So that was really enjoyable. Then Miranda has an experience that I think probably almost everyone has when they come.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: To La God, was that just on the nose? Right?
00:22:23
Speaker 1: Wasn't it great?
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Perfect? So good.
00:22:26
Speaker 1: So she's talking to a guy at maybe at the Standard, I think they're at the Standard, and he's super cute and he's telling her how smart she is because she's a lawyer and she's witty and she's making like repartee and then a really beautiful girl walks behind her and he's like, excuse me, excuse me.
00:22:44
Speaker 2: For a minute, he's going to come back.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ain't going to come back, and she so knows it because Maranda is so aware of everything, and she says that she feels invisible and that these other women. I love it when they are in the Hustler store and she's like, you, like, look at this woman, like she's so obviously ready for sex. And she's wearing like a gold lamet like short dress, boobs and everything, and so Carrie and Miranda are staring at her and then she's like, yes, do I know you? And they're like no, and then Miranda says something like I'm just admiring your dress.
00:23:17
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, thank you. She goes like are you in this sex? And oh my god, and she goes, no, I'm a lawyer for Disney. And it's so perfect.
00:23:26
Speaker 1: It's so perfect because all of Los Angeles dresses like this.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: Who wrote that episode? You know who wrote it?
00:23:33
Speaker 1: Michael Patrick and Becky Hartman Edwards so good and I don't know Becky heart Internet, she's like a mystery writer that I guess I need to track down.
00:23:43
Speaker 2: Because it was really good.
00:23:44
Speaker 1: Really good, and I feel like she fully lived here because it was very accurate.
00:23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:23:49
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael and I lived here, and Darren lived here. We all lived here. So for us, it was really fun to come back, you know what I mean. Yeah, and then it was directed I should have said this at the meeting by John David Coles, who had directed a bunch of us. Super low key, easy going, straight guy. So I think he remember everyone being really into the whole Playboy mansion of it all, which is the other LA episode, and just being like kind of somewhat grossed out by it myself, but then being like so excited those parties. Remember those parties, yes, but jama parties and the blah blah blah blah.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Right, I know.
00:24:31
Speaker 1: Okay, So Carrie, Samantha and Miranda are driving around in the beautiful Mestay, yes, which is a stick shift, and Carrie thinks it's going to be easy, but it's really not. I cannot even imagine driving in Los Angeles traffic in a stick ship.
00:24:45
Speaker 3: My god, you'd never relaxed. Right, you're just look at for moss. Some people love that, right.
00:24:50
Speaker 1: Do they? Well?
00:24:51
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember a guy.
00:24:54
Speaker 3: Just came back to me. Hell get a little Alpha Romero. Oh it's a great little car. He was a very handsome man, and I.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: Was always like, why do you want to be with me?
00:25:01
Speaker 3: Like I didn't have that Like he was like, you know, of course he would want to be with you, but I didn't have that, like, of course, just like what do you know?
00:25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Drove it and it was just like he just liked it. Wow, It just I didn't think about it just that second.
00:25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:14
Speaker 2: And it was in LA. Yeah, Wow, I was new to LA. I was like, I mean, it does give you a lot of control, right, if you want to if you want to be doing that.
00:25:24
Speaker 1: I can't imagine personally wanting to do this next totally ask him, ask him, ask him. I mean, Carrie is all stressing, and I remember the whole hell side being like the huge stress, huge, huge stress, huge huge stress. So then I want to talk about the McConaughey for another second, because I'm seeing good points where McConaughey says, you know, because I'm mister big. It seems like Carry doesn't even really realize.
00:25:45
Speaker 2: Why she's meeting with him.
00:25:47
Speaker 1: Like she's just like, oh, you know, she's so cute, and he's like, well, I'm mister big because he's such a cool guy, right, which, of course, right, And it is such a insidious Hollywood thing that everything is taken to the man's point of view for the man, right is a whole podcast, right, right, But we had it in here in such a great way.
00:26:09
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, who wrote this?
00:26:11
Speaker 3: Because both that if you think about and the sex scene right with you know, both flip that on its head.
00:26:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the name of this episode.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: The name of this episode is this came from New York, which is interesting because it's it's so much deeper than that, right.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is what I love about our show and why it's worthy.
00:26:27
Speaker 1: Of you watching it, right, is because there's stuff there, layers and layers that you might be.
00:26:31
Speaker 2: On to have that right right. Yeah, And even for me, I don't remember all of it. I'm like, wow, we were we were like firing on all cylinders.
00:26:39
Speaker 3: Believe me, I've had that too where I'm like, oh, thank you, Mark.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Sure, I didn't know that you.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: Were setting me up to be the beloved mother of a gay son for the rest of my life.
00:26:47
Speaker 2: And I'm like, thank you, But I didn't know it at the time.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: Of course I.
00:26:51
Speaker 3: Just got goosebumps. So yeah, I got goosebumps heard of these things.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: You're not even like, yes, well, we're just so lucky, you know.
00:26:58
Speaker 1: But I also think that, like you you know that thing about like if it's meant for you, it's for you.
00:27:04
Speaker 2: It's so true. Believe that don't true? Yes, And that's really.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: Wish we could have somehow told ourselves. But I don't know if you can ever.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: Really tell you young although I tell you every young woman I see, I'm always like I t to I just do it anyway. That's if I can make any difference, you know, Like I was auditioning girls and I'm like, I'm going to find that girl's name because I want her to know that she can do power and I want her to know she could just mess herself up.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: And she you know, like that's great. I feel like, as a welder woman, it's my it's not a job.
00:27:31
Speaker 3: I want to And I don't know if she can listen or they can listen, but I can't.
00:27:36
Speaker 2: I got it. I'm with you, I'm with you, you know what.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: I also think because a lot of young women worked on the show, right, like as our assistance is different things, and you know, sometimes there'd be some things that you'd be like I need to tell this person that. But I need to tell this person. You don't have to greet everyone who comes to work yes, it is not your job.
00:27:54
Speaker 2: This is coming from a Southern girl. It is not your job to greet everybody with a hug, a kiss and a smile.
00:28:00
Speaker 1: Like we don't actually have time for that, right, and you don't have to give your energy to that.
00:28:04
Speaker 2: Right And they you're a guy, you wouldn't do it.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, but sometimes they don't want to hear you. But then I'm like, if you just say it as gentle as you can, maybe later, yeah, it'll it'll.
00:28:14
Speaker 3: Sink in, right, Yeah, I think it's I think it's I like that you meant to give that and if I give one hundred and they get a nickel.
00:28:24
Speaker 1: Totally great. Yes, I agree, totally. I mean like like with the podcast too, like looking back on the show and thinking about what's still true and what's not true, what we might have done, like this scene we're talking about where the guys are trying to take it as their point of view, Like these are like just kernels of you know, interesting things that I hope land out, you know, I.
00:28:44
Speaker 2: Hope you know what I mean, Like you think they do?
00:28:47
Speaker 1: I think so too.
00:28:47
Speaker 2: I think so too.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: Sometimes people write me amazing comments on the Instagram, which is really great. We love it when you do that, you guys. Okay, so let's go back. So so Miranda feels invisible, which we can all relate to. Man, we can all relate to. And she's like, look at the girl. She looks ready for sex, which is such an interesting way also to be expressing it.
00:29:06
Speaker 3: Right, that's a whole other podcast too, the whole thing of like you know that, it's not about being beautiful, it's about yeah, looking ready for sex.
00:29:14
Speaker 2: Right, why what are you actually doing?
00:29:16
Speaker 3: Totally, I think when she gets when that guy walks away, yeah, it's a good thing.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: I agree, because that guy is interested in what that guy's interested in.
00:29:26
Speaker 2: Right, she's not going to be interested in that, but you got the one who's not.
00:29:32
Speaker 1: I think is interesting too though for Miranda. Right at a different point, she's talking to Carry and she says like, I'm on vacation. I want to get laid like fair enough, do you know what I mean?
00:29:42
Speaker 2: Like own it?
00:29:42
Speaker 1: I've never either, so I have never thought that in my life together. But I'm also like, see that freeze people up? Yes, to see that?
00:29:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like you can feel that way?
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Wow, do you know what I mean? And that's why she's what am I? She's thinking, what am I doing wrong? Why can't I Then I'm not getting what I want? And then I love the scene where they do go to the bull ring place it's called the saddle ranch in or whatever it's called the saddle piece I know peak or something. Yeah, yeah, when they go there and she says something else like moaning about it, and Samantha's like, well, then just change it, do something.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: Which is great advice. I love that. Yeah, and then Marianna's like, I'm getting on the boat.
00:30:21
Speaker 1: And it's just such a great scene and the solmos and then she ripped her shirt open.
00:30:28
Speaker 2: Was that in a script? Yes?
00:30:30
Speaker 1: He was in the script because I remember being worried about it because Cynthia is never self conscious at all, to the point where sometimes I'm like, someone needs to.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: Be on the step.
00:30:38
Speaker 1: There were no antimasic coordinators right, and like someone needs to be on the right, and so I was worried. So I had gone that day. I think i'd finished something or something. I was there, but the crowd it was so many people that I couldn't really handle it.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: And I was like, Cynthia is fine. She yea more than she just put on a cute bra, ripped that shirt open. It was fantastic and so free, you know, and then she she got a fellow that night. I mean, maybe not. And that's what I love about it. She had an experience of herself.
00:31:08
Speaker 1: Yes that's true, right, Like it's not about the other person necessarily, And I feel like that's also why she was looking at the outfits, right, like how come that woman's okay to dress herself like that, but I'm not okay to present myself. It's all very interesting questions, you know. Yeah, as women, I mean men too, probably, but as women like to make a bouch arrange for us, right decision making, yes, right, right, Like I knew you would wear something like this, like yes.
00:31:35
Speaker 2: Can I tell you please?
00:31:37
Speaker 3: I thought and thought and thought, I'm like, I should get something cute to wear. And every day I thought that, and I went, who are you kidding?
00:31:42
Speaker 2: Do you hear this? Every day? You're gonna wear this now? Because this is who you are. I think it's fantastic. If that I would have been disappointed. I was like, Mar's gonna wear something preppy. It's gonna be like.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: A button down, it might be blue. So I had a blue sweater and then I was like, no, no, I'm gonna wear a pink She's gonna wear blue.
00:31:58
Speaker 2: I mean literally, now I just do the same thing. I love it.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: It looks great on you, and that's as it surely that's as it should be. Okay, now let's talk about Carrie. Because Carrie is wrestling with can you run from your problems? And obviously the answer is no, not really. I don't know, but it is nice sometimes to change the scenery, definitely, and I think on things right from being in a different environment. And I think it's so interesting how she keeps trying to smoke and then this cute guy comes to her at the pool at the standards.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that moment that really got to me. It was nice.
00:32:32
Speaker 3: But when you're like that, you really there's nobody that can come in right, right, But I.
00:32:35
Speaker 2: Just love that.
00:32:36
Speaker 1: But she didn't because he looked adorable and he wanted to smoke with her. He was perfect, and yet she's like, no, I need to be by myself. It was very powerfulfect and then at the end she doesn't go back to Warner Brothers. I know. I was like wow, I was like, wait, I'm really worried that she's hurting her career.
00:32:55
Speaker 7: I was.
00:32:58
Speaker 1: So funny, I do think with all of it, because really they were they were they were not honoring her, you know, because she at all right at all, Like they were basically saying right away, we are gonna sideline you.
00:33:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna revamp this. It's all about the guy. You're the problem, right, Why is Carrie so fat up?
00:33:17
Speaker 2: Exactly right?
00:33:18
Speaker 1: And also when you have a big star like McConaughey and he's saying that you have no hope, no power, and she had at least some sense of that, even though she's all like giggly and like oh my god, you know which of course you would be right. Yeah, it's all super fascinating. And when I was watching how.
00:33:33
Speaker 3: She reacted, maybe this is sir Jessica too, but like, you know, how is women?
00:33:37
Speaker 2: You know, like like you make all those little.
00:33:38
Speaker 3: Face she's making all those faces like to please him in a certain way, Like yes, it's not just a woman sitting there.
00:33:44
Speaker 2: It's like you have to be like, oh, yeah, that's so right.
00:33:47
Speaker 3: Remember why That's what I was thinking was watching it, like yeah, not just the pitch.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: It's that she has to perform too.
00:33:54
Speaker 1: Definitely, she has to perform too. And I think I think it was many things at that point. I'm when I watched Sarah Jessica during this season. This is the season where the show really like leaps up, you know, in terms of popularity and whatnot, awards blah blah, all this stuff.
00:34:11
Speaker 2: She seems kind of giddy through some of it, which is so.
00:34:16
Speaker 1: Like kind of adorable and refreshing and interesting. You know, Like there was a couple episodes back in New York where we you know, the regular show, and it's hot Child in the City and they play like seventies music like things that I know Sarah loves, right and she's just so into it. And it's with this guy who's not even an actor anymore, and we're gonna talk to him soon, and you.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Know, she's like giddy.
00:34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting, and I think she was just feeling the success and like the power of because she'd been so involved in so many ways, you know, and the storyline how to create you know, like Shulely was dug in right away in such a like invested Well.
00:34:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, isn't that like she set the tone. Absolutely, you know, there's always somebody who's got up with their fashion and her yes sensibility. Yes, yes, and thank god, it just flow, you know, such a yeah mesh.
00:35:10
Speaker 1: It meshed so beautifully and then it took off and I don't know, I would have to ask her to like what was going on personally or whatever, but I love to watch her work at that phase because also we just finished, you know, and just like that where we're dealing with very different subject matter and it's thirty years later, right, yes, and when you watch it, just like that, she's a woman. Yes, she's a woman who has really live, right.
00:35:34
Speaker 2: But when we look back, you know, we're so young. It's like so young.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: It's so weird though, because when I looked at you, I was like, oh, yeah, that's Kristen, But I don't think of you like you looked to me.
00:35:45
Speaker 2: Just the same and you but no, I mean, it's just it's not like a well.
00:35:48
Speaker 1: Because we were all like a loric thirty which you remember, but you remember totally. We're yes, but remember like for us, oh yeah, we thought it would all be over.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: That's what they told you, right, yeah, it's over. Right.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: I think I turned fifty on Desperate, it was like amazing. Yeah, so you know, but yeah, they scared the hell out of you.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, no, I mean, but that's the other thing.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking when we got Sex and the City and it was going and we all could be open about our age, that we were over thirty.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Oh my shocking. Well I guess that's true.
00:36:21
Speaker 3: And I think about it because the big deal about Desperate was that, yeah, we were forty exactly your god, I know, right, forty.
00:36:27
Speaker 2: It was a show starring a bunch of forty year olds.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: I know it was shocking, but it's so funny to think about that now. But then also, if you look at the landscape, what show is being green lights darring a whole bunch of thirty or forty year olds, not that many.
00:36:41
Speaker 2: Or fifty year olds, you know what I mean, or sixty year old or sixty year olds. I know, we need more people, but.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: Because life is so profound at that point, I agree, but you have to have somebody who can write that and.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: Someone who will green light it.
00:36:55
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who can write it.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Well, let's get going, right, let's do it.
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the to like, what sells or what doesn't you know?
00:37:08
Speaker 2: Right now?
00:37:09
Speaker 1: Nothing because the whole industry is upside down, right, But I did. I just met with Apple and I talked to them about them. They were like, yes, and I.
00:37:17
Speaker 2: Said, it's a gap doing something, but it's a gap about the age and what you're like.
00:37:21
Speaker 1: I think also for because I'm single, right, yeah, you know, there ain't nothing to see like on television. It's not right, but it's so interesting because like I don't know, if you watched the show with John Hamm on Apple your friends and neighbors.
00:37:36
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen Amanda pete Place, his ex wife. She's so incredible and it's.
00:37:41
Speaker 1: So interesting because they have this whole history, but yet she's trying to move on with this other guy and it's complicated, and you know, you do. You've lived so much life by now that there's so many layers, but you still are open and new things can still happen, which I think is what people don't necessarily think about or realize, right, But I'm in it, I'm living it, you know, so I am pretty sure things can still happen.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: Well, think just that they can happen. But it's also like just the way you move through the world is so interesting too, I.
00:38:10
Speaker 3: Mean different, yes, which I actually love too personally. I love love it, I know, but nobody believes us, right but right, I wouldn't go back.
00:38:21
Speaker 2: No, that's the part that kills me. Right, that's what we need, and that's what we were trying to do with them, just like that.
00:38:26
Speaker 1: But also they were still the characters, and so we were in that.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: We couldn't take free of that world, right, So yes, okay.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: Go for it, thank you, thank you.
00:38:36
Speaker 3: And I think that it would be that kind of thing where it would be a huge hit, like something like that, and then people would.
00:38:41
Speaker 2: Be like, oh my god, and it's like duh. I mean maybe maybe, but maybe not, just you know what I mean.
00:38:46
Speaker 1: And my feeling also is like at this point everything is so kind of siloed and like sectioned off.
00:38:52
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it doesn't have to be a huge hit anymore.
00:38:55
Speaker 3: Oh I don't care about that either. No, you know what I'm saying, Just something a huge hit, I mean in terms of.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Quality, that's what I mean.
00:39:01
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I never want to be that famous no, I know, I know, it's really just something. Yeah, that like something where the people who need to find that I can find that happening and get right.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Okay.
00:39:14
Speaker 3: One thing you're always great is you have a good business mind too, soul.
00:39:18
Speaker 2: Go for it. People who know me know that I do pay attention someone.
00:39:22
Speaker 3: I'm always like, huh.
00:39:25
Speaker 2: I think it's great as well. Not really, but anyway, we got what, we got, it all hooked out. It's all right, it worked out great, do you know what I mean?
00:39:32
Speaker 1: Pressing, pressing question. Let's discuss what you've brought up at the beginning. Are you a Charlotte?
00:39:38
Speaker 2: I'm not a Charlotte. I wish I were Charlotte. Yes, what are you? What am I carry one my pieces? Parts? Yeah? Actually I think, oh I know. Even said to me, I'm part Charlotte and part I think.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: She said Jessica. Sorry, Jessica, I can't remember. She's gonna get mad at me if I get it wrong.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: So okay, got it, got it? But who am I? I'm definitely not a Charlotte. No, you're kind of a Miranda. I am kind of a Miranda, right, totally a Miranda. I can't like it.
00:40:09
Speaker 3: I don't have any of the others. That's okay, it's so sad.
00:40:13
Speaker 2: No, why is that side?
00:40:14
Speaker 3: Miranda is great Miranda, right, yes, yes.
00:40:20
Speaker 1: And also the thing that I love about Miranda is like, on the one hand, everyone's like, oh, she's cynical, she's this's that, But if you actually look at her life, right, like, she got married, she had the kids. You know, she's with adorable Steve, and then she has this huge life.
00:40:33
Speaker 2: Change which is like a whole other thing.
00:40:34
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we won't even get into it, but you know she's yeah right, yeah, I mean she's so you know, Miranda is like a big heart underneath the facade of.
00:40:45
Speaker 2: Being totally cynical.
00:40:47
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and I don't really think it's again, the root of the thing is never thing like the biggest cover.
00:40:52
Speaker 1: Yes yeah yes, So that that to me is a little bit similar with you.
00:40:56
Speaker 2: She probably doesn't really worry about what she wears either.
00:40:58
Speaker 1: No really now, except for in this particular episode where she thinks she should be wearing gold la mate. But you know all of us have those moments, right, Adorable, thank you, so nice to see you, so nice to see you.
00:41:12
Speaker 5: Thank God, I know they can tell how we spend time together, just like totally.
00:41:18
Speaker 2: But that's that's the joy of a podcast, right I know.
00:41:21
Speaker 1: I know though, to me, these are the most fun, oh so fun, so fun. Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?
00:00:11
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
00:00:15
Speaker 1: It's Marcia across everybody, thanks for joining us. Here we go, let's talk about the Carry storyline. So she's been flown out by what she describes as a small production company. Of course, this is the olden days when these things did exist. Now who knows. And then Sarah Michelle Geller plays so good.
00:00:33
Speaker 2: She was fantastic.
00:00:35
Speaker 1: Were you scarred? Yes?
00:00:38
Speaker 2: I mean she just did it so well. She did it like she did it. It was like straight.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to walk onto a show and be really good of running you know, a show, yeah, and do like I just thought she was great.
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Speaker 2: I nailed it.
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Speaker 1: Boom, I agree, and it was I was thinking that in some ways, it's almost too insidery that they make her junior executive, like she probably should have been an agent.
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Speaker 2: I see what you say, because like you know, how she's.
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Speaker 1: Like weird exactly we know the different It doesn't matter to anyone, but how she's like calling across the room and everything like that is such a known It was perfect, right, It's scary it's so scary, and Carrie is like, what is happening?
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Speaker 2: You know, which I really love as well, but also to me it is so funny.
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Speaker 1: Then later, so then she meets with Matthew McConaughey, which is a trip and a half.
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Speaker 3: My god, I know, and he god, he was on right. I was like, oh my god, it really is him, It really is him.
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Speaker 1: And he ad libbed as you can tell. Okay, yeah, I didn't know that. I do not think all that was in there. I don't remember what was in there. There had been a glass coffee table that he jumped on and shattered.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, like it was a full on wow. We had our first.
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Speaker 1: Blackberries back then, the little ones that went on.
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Speaker 4: Your that's just like a right, you just cartoon, right, just text me like like Matthew McConaughey's living, like what he's so great, fantastic, and her she's just honestly reacting to him at that point, like what on earth?
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Speaker 1: But how many meetings have you been in when people have said some crazy?
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Speaker 3: Can I tell you how happy I was when because I didn't remember the episode even, I'm so happy she didn't go back.
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Speaker 2: Were you? Oh my god. I was like, yes, because I was confused happy. I didn't remember.
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Speaker 1: Any of it.
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Speaker 2: I didn't either, but I are you Were.
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Speaker 1: You happy because you felt like it would be like selling out? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I felt like I felt like most people come to La and they'll do anything, yeah, to get anywhere. And because she was she is who she is on the show in life, but you know that she was like yeah, no, and.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unexpected and I didn't remember it at all, and I was like, wait.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't didn't either. I was like, yeah, I was, Yes, I know.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I was.
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Speaker 2: Shocked and I couldn't tell if it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they are trying in the voiceover to relate it to the fact that they're trying to tell her about Big and Carrie, which of course is herself right, right, right, which I also completely get and understand, like, you know, she has a strong enough sense of herself to say, like, you're not going to tell me. And also the thing that I loved about it that I hadn't remembered at all is that McConaughey is doing the thing that was the normal thing to do, which is making it from the male perspective exactly. That's what they mean too, like no, no, basically can't make it from her, and then like what the fuck is wrong with Carrie? He goes and she's like, and.
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Speaker 3: Let's be real because a lot of time has gone by and that's how everything was everything. So that was another reason why I was like that, didn't you know yes, no, yes, I mean that we don't have a choice.
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Speaker 2: We like we went for whatever three parts there were.
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Speaker 1: But totally and you you kind of just tried to sit there in the meeting with the waggy they might be saying, right, and then when he goes like do you know when when he goes when McConaughey goes like, you know, let's or whatever, and she's like, uh uh, you know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we been in that situation? A lot? I would be a whole nother podcast exactly. But it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about it because like also that it was like when people go, well, why didn't you leave or why did.
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Speaker 5: You do this?
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Speaker 2: Or my god, always be caged in a way where they.
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Speaker 3: Were convoluted and restuff and you're not sure. I literally said to people nothing ever happened to me, and then I've gone, are you out of your mind? Like that's how convoluted it is? I agree, okay, yeah, so and then I'd go like, I'm so I'm lying and I don't even know that. I'm like, oh, sorry, just off topic here, but no, right, yes, you like you can take an advantage of it in so many ways that you didn't even quite realize it, like right, And also when we say that, all we mean is it wasn't the worst case scenario that we now know.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, that's us, that's us going, oh, nothing happens normal, right, because it was so normous. Soon it was every day all day.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this play I'm doing, they brought in, you know, to miss the coordinator and I was like, I wasn't there, So I said, what.
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Speaker 1: Was it like?
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Speaker 2: Because I'm so fascinated.
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Speaker 3: It's a trip, and I know, nothing really huge happens in the play, but it was like, I guess the boundaries were really clear. And I said, you know what, the first time I did something Chris Chostopherson, it was with Christostopherson. He was a total gentleman, right, I said, And then he hit on me afterwards, right, and that was perfectly fine.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: He took care of me during the scene, which is great.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, which is so.
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Speaker 2: I was done back then? Absolutely absolutely fascinating.
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Speaker 3: That super interesting, Right, I've had bad and good though. Okay, yeah, you've had the coordinators, you mean, yes, God, where it wasn't good, Okay, where it wasn't good, Like I had this one woman right before COVID, right when it was kind of brand new. It was on a very weird movie that I'm really not going to say the word of because I really hope no one ever watches it again. But I had a great actor who I also I'm not going to say his name so that you don't know, but he was going to protect me anyway.
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Speaker 1: I didn't need any you know what I'm saying. We know you know used to write. He was a professional, felt totally comfortable with him. And this lady, the intimacy coordinator had been a dancer. Okay, So she came to both this actor and I, who was a veteran actor, and said like, I'm going to count you down kiss two, three, what Russ two?
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Speaker 2: And we were like no, no, what? No?
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Speaker 1: And then oh god she was so then I started avoiding her, right.
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Speaker 2: I was like, that lady's.
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Speaker 1: Gonna gona like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just gonna avoid that lady. So I was like, you're not already confused enough, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: You don't need that, right, So I was like, yeah, we were just like, you know, we're cool, We're cool, We're good. But then there was this other scene involving this other actress and it's a long story, but I avoided her so much that she would plan herself by my chair and she'd be like, we need to talk about the fingering scene.
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Speaker 2: I'd be like what.
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Speaker 6: I'd be like, please, don't ever say. I just put somebody in the middle of the most kind of delicate things that we have to do, and you hope that they're there to protect you, but they can also kind of scare the shit out of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the lady was, you know, something out of it, Yes, like the kind of whatever specialness that you could try to bring a person gone, right, Yeah, So I was.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh God Jesus. But then when we did have it on inun just like that, it was good because just personally they say like, what do you need me to do? And you could say I'm worried about I see this, or I'm worried about that or whatever it was.
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Speaker 2: So they were eyes at the monitor. They could then help you. That's good. Yeah, that was really nice.
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Speaker 1: And then they just had to like just appease Michael that they were going to do what he wanted. You know what I'm saying that they were not there to get in the way, you know, because I think for the directors it's like a whole other person to deal with.
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Speaker 2: I don't want that, but I think it's.
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Speaker 1: Great because it's just that little security in case you get in a situation that you don't know.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you have to have it, I mean now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: But I think some people are confused and think that it's because we were somehow hit on in the moment of the sex scene by directors or something.
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Speaker 2: Which I really not know when it happens.
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Speaker 3: Neither, it was like trying to grab your feeling up at least not for the moment.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not my issue, no me, neither me neither. I think it's some other weird way, right exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, A more concluted way, and it's not on the set, so that if the intimacy coordinator is only on the set, it's not protecting you from that other stuff.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's interesting. Is nobody ever explains that to the rest of the world.
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Speaker 2: That's no, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No one knows, and no one explains it to you when you're starting out.
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Speaker 2: So are you kidding? Right? And it wasn't even in the zeitgeist back then.
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Speaker 1: So no, it's super interesting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It's changed, hasn't it changed?
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Speaker 1: I know?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the show. It's so much fun though. Okay, so this is a fun episode.
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Speaker 1: We begin the episodisode with myself and Kyle being back in New York.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was a little jealous. I was a little jealous. I'm like, I don't know if I can watch this. And he was so young, he was such a baby, or both such babies. And then with this, you know, Penis and then and I was like, oh my god, I mean right, and isn't he's so cute? So he's so cute. I mean, don't we just love him so much?
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Speaker 3: You know? My opening scene with him was like when I was like, here this is Kyle. And then we were like making out in a rain storm and I didn't even know him. I was like, okay, let's go.
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Speaker 2: I mean, right, I had such a good man and he sauch a good man.
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Speaker 1: I had to immediately make out with him as well. Though you're a tough jobs really really hard job, really really hard job.
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Speaker 2: I know, Gosh, I do one crazy thing. Sorry, yes, if you want to.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So you know, I got pregnant, like on Desperate So I'm working with Kyle. We're like getting married. I'm totally nauseous in real life, you know, I mean, some beautiful bridal gown. But I'm like, right, and then we get married on the show, and you know, and I have my babies, right, And then when I'm on the show, Desiree gets pregnant, and so he had Callum, she had Callum, they had CALARII on the show. And now Callum and my daughters have been in school together. No they're now gone off to college. But it's amazing. If someone had told me this years ago that I was going to be looking at you know, Callum and savvy or Callum wondering.
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Speaker 2: Whatever, I'd be like, are you kidding me anyway. Is just unbelievable. I love it so much. It's so good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I The thing that I do love about our you know what we do, is that sometimes you get to have this kind of long relationship with people and you might not see them all the time, but then the kind of interconnectedness of all of it is quite amazing.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, it is.
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Speaker 1: It was really nice to have him too. And you know, now Callum has grown and when he first came on the show, he was dating Desiree, but he never mentioned her, so I didn't know that he was dating Desiree, right, I never at her for like the longest time. I read in the paper that they got engaged.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, Kyle, you got engaged and he was like, oh yeah, I've been living there.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But he's just very professional also where I think he wouldn't have been necessarily talking to me about that, you know what I mean. But it is all amazing, And of course we see her, you know, I was powered. I was to my daughter, look at this woman just as a mover and shager. Most is definitely most devili Yes, yes, and Kyle's just such a sweetheart cut to the episode, and I mean the thing that's so funny too, and it's of course the character of Charlotte, you know, but like the I just feel so bad for them with this impotent situation, right.
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Speaker 2: Hysterical, and he won't talk about it.
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Speaker 1: And then Carrie she I call k well, we're all you know, we've gone to something and I'm trying to kiss him and all, and he's focused on the wedding gifts. And I'm just like I thought it would be on the honeymoon. I thought it would be.
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Speaker 3: I feel terrible, so sweet though, and then I couldn't figure out how did she do the stamp?
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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't figure it out either.
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Speaker 2: I don't really get that. I like, it has to be attached to something.
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Speaker 1: If well, I think I wrap it around his penis, but this penis.
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Speaker 3: Only Oh oh, you have to do it very tight then if I must, I thought it was even more like that.
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Speaker 2: No, I think it's yeah during the night. I know, no, hey, why not, this is a show. I'm like, okay, I shouldn't remember it either.
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Speaker 1: So I was also with you, like, what on earth did Carrie just tell her to do. This is interesting and also Carrie goes into like I'm a relationship columnist mode.
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Speaker 2: She goes into it, this is what you should do, which I really liked.
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Speaker 1: Like Charlotte needs practical advice.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's very sweet when you the thing, when you realize you know, but it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, I know, I'm like, why do we think that's such a great thing?
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Speaker 2: That's what's so great about your character though, because it's like the absolute brilliance of the moment and then the oh no, definitely definitely.
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Speaker 1: And it's really funny because sometimes and there's a lot of this that I don't remember at all, right, Like if there are things that are very clear to me, and then like that whole storyline, I have no memory.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have plenty of that in my life, so I understand, like I show, I don't even remember, right.
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Speaker 1: So it's fun to watch because you don't know what the heck you're gonna do.
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Speaker 2: It's zark because that's your body and that's yourself.
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Speaker 3: I always wonder if, like you know, like these new drugs they have, like if you are under does your mind containing all those memories right somewhere in you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think it must, right, but you just don't remember. And I think that's the weirdest thing.
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Speaker 1: I do think it's.
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Speaker 2: Weird, like no memory. I agree anyway, I totally understand.
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Speaker 1: I think the thing for me that I come back to is that I remember Kyle right like off camera, So I think that it's all intertwined and so it's meshed together in a way where you can't separate it out right, So like what you filmed wouldn't have been the most important thing to me as a person, no.
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Speaker 3: Because sort of tap dancing on the side, totally funny.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: Adorable, being so light, you know, like all the things like being just such a joy, right, and that's definitely what And you had.
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Speaker 2: A little dog at the time. But you know how I feel about dog, so you.
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Speaker 5: Know yet topic that's great. I never thought i'd be a dog. I'm so glad you have a I'm justly allergic. Remember when you got Golden, I was like, I can't come here.
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Speaker 2: You to die.
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Speaker 1: You had to sit on the top of the I know, because there was just like Golden Retriever everywhere.
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Speaker 2: I know, so awful.
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Speaker 3: And then I had kids, and of course at some point, you know, I go to it, but you wind up with a dog, and that dog winds of yours. Yeah, and I literally love my I have a doodle and doodle I washed my hands. They're probably a thousand times a day because I'm still allergic.
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Speaker 2: But doodles are better. I love her, right, I'm glad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they of you because of that never in my life.
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Speaker 5: Right.
00:15:06
Speaker 1: So that I have a little dog now, yeah, because my son likes little dogs. I was like, okay, it's fine.
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Speaker 2: He's won me over.
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Speaker 1: He is like a Chihuahua mixed with all different kinds of terriers and.
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Speaker 2: Minpin. Don't ask me. I mean, he's just an amalgam.
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Speaker 1: He's adorable, he's very cute.
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Speaker 2: We do love him. We do love him. I mean, anyway, yes, you have a big dogs. One day, I'm gonna have some big dogs again, you know what I'm saying. One day one day. But Kyle had a little dog. It was adorable. He bring it.
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Speaker 1: It was so much fun. So anyway back to us.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, we're we're we're we're there. We're in New York.
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Speaker 1: Charlotte is her innocent self unable to get her adorable husband to talk about impotence, which I mean, I guess would be hard, but like also like at a certain point you're like really like, oh my god, I can't even imagine the terror.
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Speaker 3: I didn't play it really well by stay well, yeah, because that has to be the most I don't remember what happens on the show.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: How does it?
00:16:04
Speaker 1: I mean told me we go to therapy?
00:16:06
Speaker 2: Oh okay, did we go to therapy?
00:16:08
Speaker 5: Yeah?
00:16:08
Speaker 2: We didn't go yet. He told me we're gonna go okay, and I was like that's good. Yeah, but his.
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Speaker 1: Character does not want to talk about it, and that's what ends up breaking us up.
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Speaker 2: I think. I think meaning like.
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Speaker 1: He can't you know, when people get to their limit and they just can't deal with their issues. That's and then I would have a baby, and we try to have a baby, but then he doesn't really care and he gives me the cardboard baby, Oh my god, yes, which he still remembers is being really horrible, and I was like, oh, I have totally forgot about.
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Speaker 2: The cardboard Baby. I do remember the Cardboard Baby.
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Speaker 1: I have to go watch.
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Speaker 2: It's a thing.
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Speaker 1: It's a thing. He thinks it's funny or whatever, but I took it as like a misplaced like when you're really uncomfortable about that subject. Yeah, yeah, you do do things totally. And then in the end I say to him, like, I thought this is what we wanted. I remember this scene and he says, well, I'd just rather play golf.
00:16:58
Speaker 2: Oh I think I remember that enough.
00:17:01
Speaker 1: And then you're like, well, it doesn't matter how adorable you are, doesn't this is not gonna work.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: It's so sad. At least that package is so good. Oh my god.
00:17:10
Speaker 7: I mean also when he came on the podcast, he was like, I do have this memory of me playing tennis in the nighttime and the makeup art is covering me and baby and I was like what And then they pulled it up and.
00:17:21
Speaker 2: I was like the beauty, all the beauty about Kyle. Though we're gonna stop talking about Kyle.
00:17:31
Speaker 3: Is you do people like grow into who they are, Like, nothing about Kyle was good looking leading man.
00:17:38
Speaker 2: True, he is like just a inside he's a completely different guy.
00:17:41
Speaker 1: I agree.
00:17:42
Speaker 2: So that's just kind of like was there, but that's not really like who he is. I think that's why I disarming.
00:17:48
Speaker 1: It's disarming because when they're that good looking and they know it and they're kind of knowing that at all, you don't like it.
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Speaker 2: No, but when they don't seem to know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's also not really attached to him, like he just happens to.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: Be living in that body but really yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker 3: Yes, no, and he's just like a sweetheart listening hours.
00:18:08
Speaker 1: People want us to talk about Kyle Marshaw because they post about us on Instagram or whatever.
00:18:12
Speaker 2: Like, I think it'll be cool. We can always you know, will edit what I mean, you will have a special episodes. Everybody who's ever been played opposite? Can you die of embarrassment? If he was here? Probably?
00:18:23
Speaker 1: Can I tell you just one little other side? I think maybe I shouldn't say he came on the podcast. It was so exciting. I was waiting till he appeared on the show. Yes, it would be appropriate. He also has a podcast, so yeah, we're talking about that. And we talked about all different kind of stuff and he only remembers some things. But it was super interesting. And at the end we did this TikTok video thing. It was really fun.
00:18:42
Speaker 2: Thank you amazing, oh, thank you so much. Very scary way.
00:18:44
Speaker 1: I thought for sure he was going to play Nikky and I was going to be and then they were like, no, thank you so much.
00:18:50
Speaker 2: I was dying.
00:18:51
Speaker 1: I was panic.
00:18:51
Speaker 2: Good, thank you, Marcia. I appreciate that there was like two takes, but thank you. Oh my god. All propriate, I know, just reminded me.
00:19:01
Speaker 1: He really is speak guy, right, yeah, so sweet and really yeah. It was just such a gift to have him on the show, and especially because Charlotte had never had any one of any significance.
00:19:13
Speaker 2: Right, it's just guy, guy, guy, guy guy.
00:19:16
Speaker 1: Then to have Kyle Kyle, who is just a gem brilliant, and then you got him.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
00:19:22
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm in and I started this episode and then I'm like, no, no, I need a break.
00:19:28
Speaker 2: I call Carrie, which is great.
00:19:29
Speaker 1: Carrie gives me the advice to try to put some paper around his penis bizarre. Okay, I've never heard this advice, but whatever, Charlotte's game. So Charlotte puts really funny and weird and she looks the stamp and puts it around while he sleeps through it.
00:19:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:19:45
Speaker 3: I do think that, Like, okay, well that's our TV convention, totally he convention.
00:19:49
Speaker 1: But he looks so adorable doing it.
00:19:52
Speaker 2: He looks like a little kid do you know what I mean?
00:19:54
Speaker 1: Just happy sleeping and then in the morning the paper's broken, which theoretically would mean that he has no physical problem with Charlotte. Thinks that's great, and then Charlotte suddenly realizes we hear in the voiceover, maybe that's not great because that means it's emotional, which makes her get on a plane to go to I'm going to watch the d next episode then, okay, because I haven't seen that episode.
00:20:16
Speaker 2: Oh the other LA one.
00:20:17
Speaker 1: Yes, this is when we go to the Playboy mansion.
00:20:19
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, Okay.
00:20:20
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, it's fair. It's all very interesting. I mean to me there, it's like it's like we did a mini movie. You know what I'm saying.
00:20:27
Speaker 2: They're both that's kind of works, like to go because that's location. Yes, yes, yes, and.
00:20:32
Speaker 1: We're crossboarded and all that stuff.
00:20:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker 1: So I show up in LA and they are all having very interesting things. I had fully forgotten about the porn storyline that Samantha meets a guy at a bar.
00:20:43
Speaker 2: That's something I know.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember that we filmed liked it was so funny. Actually, right, we filmed that that Hustler on Sunset. Oh really, And I remember just being like semi mortified to.
00:20:54
Speaker 2: Go in there.
00:20:55
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, what were they so mortivied about?
00:20:57
Speaker 3: You don't know it was Tesla Hustler back then, that's ranch, Like yeah right, and the Southern girl.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: Come on.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: I know, I know, totally, totally totally, but it is funny to think back, like I was on a showcle Sex and City, but I was still.
00:21:09
Speaker 5: You know.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: Risten exactly. It's all meshed up.
00:21:14
Speaker 1: And so I thought that storyline was really funny because I like the storylines where Samantha is like the guy.
00:21:19
Speaker 2: In the relationship slaved me. I thought that was hysteric, wasn't it funny?
00:21:23
Speaker 4: God?
00:21:24
Speaker 2: And he's like, can I tell you more about myself?
00:21:26
Speaker 1: And she's like.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: So good and says I write poetry. She's like, oh god. And then he stands up and that guy is really good. I can't remember great, he's really good. He kind of like moves his hands, which is a great poetry.
00:21:42
Speaker 1: And she's just like rolling her eyes, just can barely, can barely get through it.
00:21:46
Speaker 2: And then and then.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: He says he wants to move to New York.
00:21:49
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well, you know, I like that. She was straight up with me too.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: She thought that quick man, she thought quick. She was like, no, no, I have an answer. Yeah, I couldn't share you with are women. I thought the whole storyline was really great and too. I love it when she is like the guy like fully, like the guy just wanted yep, and yeah she didn't want to hear nothing about him.
00:22:09
Speaker 7: Nope.
00:22:10
Speaker 2: She didn't want to talk about herself.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: Nope, not at all. I'm totally into it. So that was really enjoyable. Then Miranda has an experience that I think probably almost everyone has when they come.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: To La God, was that just on the nose? Right?
00:22:23
Speaker 1: Wasn't it great?
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Perfect? So good.
00:22:26
Speaker 1: So she's talking to a guy at maybe at the Standard, I think they're at the Standard, and he's super cute and he's telling her how smart she is because she's a lawyer and she's witty and she's making like repartee and then a really beautiful girl walks behind her and he's like, excuse me, excuse me.
00:22:44
Speaker 2: For a minute, he's going to come back.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, he ain't going to come back, and she so knows it because Maranda is so aware of everything, and she says that she feels invisible and that these other women. I love it when they are in the Hustler store and she's like, you, like, look at this woman, like she's so obviously ready for sex. And she's wearing like a gold lamet like short dress, boobs and everything, and so Carrie and Miranda are staring at her and then she's like, yes, do I know you? And they're like no, and then Miranda says something like I'm just admiring your dress.
00:23:17
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, thank you. She goes like are you in this sex? And oh my god, and she goes, no, I'm a lawyer for Disney. And it's so perfect.
00:23:26
Speaker 1: It's so perfect because all of Los Angeles dresses like this.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: Who wrote that episode? You know who wrote it?
00:23:33
Speaker 1: Michael Patrick and Becky Hartman Edwards so good and I don't know Becky heart Internet, she's like a mystery writer that I guess I need to track down.
00:23:43
Speaker 2: Because it was really good.
00:23:44
Speaker 1: Really good, and I feel like she fully lived here because it was very accurate.
00:23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:23:49
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael and I lived here, and Darren lived here. We all lived here. So for us, it was really fun to come back, you know what I mean. Yeah, and then it was directed I should have said this at the meeting by John David Coles, who had directed a bunch of us. Super low key, easy going, straight guy. So I think he remember everyone being really into the whole Playboy mansion of it all, which is the other LA episode, and just being like kind of somewhat grossed out by it myself, but then being like so excited those parties. Remember those parties, yes, but jama parties and the blah blah blah blah.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Right, I know.
00:24:31
Speaker 1: Okay, So Carrie, Samantha and Miranda are driving around in the beautiful Mestay, yes, which is a stick shift, and Carrie thinks it's going to be easy, but it's really not. I cannot even imagine driving in Los Angeles traffic in a stick ship.
00:24:45
Speaker 3: My god, you'd never relaxed. Right, you're just look at for moss. Some people love that, right.
00:24:50
Speaker 1: Do they? Well?
00:24:51
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember a guy.
00:24:54
Speaker 3: Just came back to me. Hell get a little Alpha Romero. Oh it's a great little car. He was a very handsome man, and I.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: Was always like, why do you want to be with me?
00:25:01
Speaker 3: Like I didn't have that Like he was like, you know, of course he would want to be with you, but I didn't have that, like, of course, just like what do you know?
00:25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Drove it and it was just like he just liked it. Wow, It just I didn't think about it just that second.
00:25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:25:14
Speaker 2: And it was in LA. Yeah, Wow, I was new to LA. I was like, I mean, it does give you a lot of control, right, if you want to if you want to be doing that.
00:25:24
Speaker 1: I can't imagine personally wanting to do this next totally ask him, ask him, ask him. I mean, Carrie is all stressing, and I remember the whole hell side being like the huge stress, huge, huge stress, huge huge stress. So then I want to talk about the McConaughey for another second, because I'm seeing good points where McConaughey says, you know, because I'm mister big. It seems like Carry doesn't even really realize.
00:25:45
Speaker 2: Why she's meeting with him.
00:25:47
Speaker 1: Like she's just like, oh, you know, she's so cute, and he's like, well, I'm mister big because he's such a cool guy, right, which, of course, right, And it is such a insidious Hollywood thing that everything is taken to the man's point of view for the man, right is a whole podcast, right, right, But we had it in here in such a great way.
00:26:09
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, who wrote this?
00:26:11
Speaker 3: Because both that if you think about and the sex scene right with you know, both flip that on its head.
00:26:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the name of this episode.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: The name of this episode is this came from New York, which is interesting because it's it's so much deeper than that, right.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is what I love about our show and why it's worthy.
00:26:27
Speaker 1: Of you watching it, right, is because there's stuff there, layers and layers that you might be.
00:26:31
Speaker 2: On to have that right right. Yeah, And even for me, I don't remember all of it. I'm like, wow, we were we were like firing on all cylinders.
00:26:39
Speaker 3: Believe me, I've had that too where I'm like, oh, thank you, Mark.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Sure, I didn't know that you.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: Were setting me up to be the beloved mother of a gay son for the rest of my life.
00:26:47
Speaker 2: And I'm like, thank you, But I didn't know it at the time.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: Of course I.
00:26:51
Speaker 3: Just got goosebumps. So yeah, I got goosebumps heard of these things.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: You're not even like, yes, well, we're just so lucky, you know.
00:26:58
Speaker 1: But I also think that, like you you know that thing about like if it's meant for you, it's for you.
00:27:04
Speaker 2: It's so true. Believe that don't true? Yes, And that's really.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: Wish we could have somehow told ourselves. But I don't know if you can ever.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: Really tell you young although I tell you every young woman I see, I'm always like I t to I just do it anyway. That's if I can make any difference, you know, Like I was auditioning girls and I'm like, I'm going to find that girl's name because I want her to know that she can do power and I want her to know she could just mess herself up.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: And she you know, like that's great. I feel like, as a welder woman, it's my it's not a job.
00:27:31
Speaker 3: I want to And I don't know if she can listen or they can listen, but I can't.
00:27:36
Speaker 2: I got it. I'm with you, I'm with you, you know what.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: I also think because a lot of young women worked on the show, right, like as our assistance is different things, and you know, sometimes there'd be some things that you'd be like I need to tell this person that. But I need to tell this person. You don't have to greet everyone who comes to work yes, it is not your job.
00:27:54
Speaker 2: This is coming from a Southern girl. It is not your job to greet everybody with a hug, a kiss and a smile.
00:28:00
Speaker 1: Like we don't actually have time for that, right, and you don't have to give your energy to that.
00:28:04
Speaker 2: Right And they you're a guy, you wouldn't do it.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, but sometimes they don't want to hear you. But then I'm like, if you just say it as gentle as you can, maybe later, yeah, it'll it'll.
00:28:14
Speaker 3: Sink in, right, Yeah, I think it's I think it's I like that you meant to give that and if I give one hundred and they get a nickel.
00:28:24
Speaker 1: Totally great. Yes, I agree, totally. I mean like like with the podcast too, like looking back on the show and thinking about what's still true and what's not true, what we might have done, like this scene we're talking about where the guys are trying to take it as their point of view, Like these are like just kernels of you know, interesting things that I hope land out, you know, I.
00:28:44
Speaker 2: Hope you know what I mean, Like you think they do?
00:28:47
Speaker 1: I think so too.
00:28:47
Speaker 2: I think so too.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: Sometimes people write me amazing comments on the Instagram, which is really great. We love it when you do that, you guys. Okay, so let's go back. So so Miranda feels invisible, which we can all relate to. Man, we can all relate to. And she's like, look at the girl. She looks ready for sex, which is such an interesting way also to be expressing it.
00:29:06
Speaker 3: Right, that's a whole other podcast too, the whole thing of like you know that, it's not about being beautiful, it's about yeah, looking ready for sex.
00:29:14
Speaker 2: Right, why what are you actually doing?
00:29:16
Speaker 3: Totally, I think when she gets when that guy walks away, yeah, it's a good thing.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: I agree, because that guy is interested in what that guy's interested in.
00:29:26
Speaker 2: Right, she's not going to be interested in that, but you got the one who's not.
00:29:32
Speaker 1: I think is interesting too though for Miranda. Right at a different point, she's talking to Carry and she says like, I'm on vacation. I want to get laid like fair enough, do you know what I mean?
00:29:42
Speaker 2: Like own it?
00:29:42
Speaker 1: I've never either, so I have never thought that in my life together. But I'm also like, see that freeze people up? Yes, to see that?
00:29:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, like you can feel that way?
00:29:53
Speaker 1: Wow, do you know what I mean? And that's why she's what am I? She's thinking, what am I doing wrong? Why can't I Then I'm not getting what I want? And then I love the scene where they do go to the bull ring place it's called the saddle ranch in or whatever it's called the saddle piece I know peak or something. Yeah, yeah, when they go there and she says something else like moaning about it, and Samantha's like, well, then just change it, do something.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: Which is great advice. I love that. Yeah, and then Marianna's like, I'm getting on the boat.
00:30:21
Speaker 1: And it's just such a great scene and the solmos and then she ripped her shirt open.
00:30:28
Speaker 2: Was that in a script? Yes?
00:30:30
Speaker 1: He was in the script because I remember being worried about it because Cynthia is never self conscious at all, to the point where sometimes I'm like, someone needs to.
00:30:38
Speaker 2: Be on the step.
00:30:38
Speaker 1: There were no antimasic coordinators right, and like someone needs to be on the right, and so I was worried. So I had gone that day. I think i'd finished something or something. I was there, but the crowd it was so many people that I couldn't really handle it.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: And I was like, Cynthia is fine. She yea more than she just put on a cute bra, ripped that shirt open. It was fantastic and so free, you know, and then she she got a fellow that night. I mean, maybe not. And that's what I love about it. She had an experience of herself.
00:31:08
Speaker 1: Yes that's true, right, Like it's not about the other person necessarily, And I feel like that's also why she was looking at the outfits, right, like how come that woman's okay to dress herself like that, but I'm not okay to present myself. It's all very interesting questions, you know. Yeah, as women, I mean men too, probably, but as women like to make a bouch arrange for us, right decision making, yes, right, right, Like I knew you would wear something like this, like yes.
00:31:35
Speaker 2: Can I tell you please?
00:31:37
Speaker 3: I thought and thought and thought, I'm like, I should get something cute to wear. And every day I thought that, and I went, who are you kidding?
00:31:42
Speaker 2: Do you hear this? Every day? You're gonna wear this now? Because this is who you are. I think it's fantastic. If that I would have been disappointed. I was like, Mar's gonna wear something preppy. It's gonna be like.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: A button down, it might be blue. So I had a blue sweater and then I was like, no, no, I'm gonna wear a pink She's gonna wear blue.
00:31:58
Speaker 2: I mean literally, now I just do the same thing. I love it.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: It looks great on you, and that's as it surely that's as it should be. Okay, now let's talk about Carrie. Because Carrie is wrestling with can you run from your problems? And obviously the answer is no, not really. I don't know, but it is nice sometimes to change the scenery, definitely, and I think on things right from being in a different environment. And I think it's so interesting how she keeps trying to smoke and then this cute guy comes to her at the pool at the standards.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that moment that really got to me. It was nice.
00:32:32
Speaker 3: But when you're like that, you really there's nobody that can come in right, right, But I.
00:32:35
Speaker 2: Just love that.
00:32:36
Speaker 1: But she didn't because he looked adorable and he wanted to smoke with her. He was perfect, and yet she's like, no, I need to be by myself. It was very powerfulfect and then at the end she doesn't go back to Warner Brothers. I know. I was like wow, I was like, wait, I'm really worried that she's hurting her career.
00:32:55
Speaker 7: I was.
00:32:58
Speaker 1: So funny, I do think with all of it, because really they were they were they were not honoring her, you know, because she at all right at all, Like they were basically saying right away, we are gonna sideline you.
00:33:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna revamp this. It's all about the guy. You're the problem, right, Why is Carrie so fat up?
00:33:17
Speaker 2: Exactly right?
00:33:18
Speaker 1: And also when you have a big star like McConaughey and he's saying that you have no hope, no power, and she had at least some sense of that, even though she's all like giggly and like oh my god, you know which of course you would be right. Yeah, it's all super fascinating. And when I was watching how.
00:33:33
Speaker 3: She reacted, maybe this is sir Jessica too, but like, you know, how is women?
00:33:37
Speaker 2: You know, like like you make all those little.
00:33:38
Speaker 3: Face she's making all those faces like to please him in a certain way, Like yes, it's not just a woman sitting there.
00:33:44
Speaker 2: It's like you have to be like, oh, yeah, that's so right.
00:33:47
Speaker 3: Remember why That's what I was thinking was watching it, like yeah, not just the pitch.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: It's that she has to perform too.
00:33:54
Speaker 1: Definitely, she has to perform too. And I think I think it was many things at that point. I'm when I watched Sarah Jessica during this season. This is the season where the show really like leaps up, you know, in terms of popularity and whatnot, awards blah blah, all this stuff.
00:34:11
Speaker 2: She seems kind of giddy through some of it, which is so.
00:34:16
Speaker 1: Like kind of adorable and refreshing and interesting. You know, Like there was a couple episodes back in New York where we you know, the regular show, and it's hot Child in the City and they play like seventies music like things that I know Sarah loves, right and she's just so into it. And it's with this guy who's not even an actor anymore, and we're gonna talk to him soon, and you.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Know, she's like giddy.
00:34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting, and I think she was just feeling the success and like the power of because she'd been so involved in so many ways, you know, and the storyline how to create you know, like Shulely was dug in right away in such a like invested Well.
00:34:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, isn't that like she set the tone. Absolutely, you know, there's always somebody who's got up with their fashion and her yes sensibility. Yes, yes, and thank god, it just flow, you know, such a yeah mesh.
00:35:10
Speaker 1: It meshed so beautifully and then it took off and I don't know, I would have to ask her to like what was going on personally or whatever, but I love to watch her work at that phase because also we just finished, you know, and just like that where we're dealing with very different subject matter and it's thirty years later, right, yes, and when you watch it, just like that, she's a woman. Yes, she's a woman who has really live, right.
00:35:34
Speaker 2: But when we look back, you know, we're so young. It's like so young.
00:35:39
Speaker 3: It's so weird though, because when I looked at you, I was like, oh, yeah, that's Kristen, But I don't think of you like you looked to me.
00:35:45
Speaker 2: Just the same and you but no, I mean, it's just it's not like a well.
00:35:48
Speaker 1: Because we were all like a loric thirty which you remember, but you remember totally. We're yes, but remember like for us, oh yeah, we thought it would all be over.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: That's what they told you, right, yeah, it's over. Right.
00:36:01
Speaker 3: I think I turned fifty on Desperate, it was like amazing. Yeah, so you know, but yeah, they scared the hell out of you.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, no, I mean, but that's the other thing.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking when we got Sex and the City and it was going and we all could be open about our age, that we were over thirty.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Oh my shocking. Well I guess that's true.
00:36:21
Speaker 3: And I think about it because the big deal about Desperate was that, yeah, we were forty exactly your god, I know, right, forty.
00:36:27
Speaker 2: It was a show starring a bunch of forty year olds.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: I know it was shocking, but it's so funny to think about that now. But then also, if you look at the landscape, what show is being green lights darring a whole bunch of thirty or forty year olds, not that many.
00:36:41
Speaker 2: Or fifty year olds, you know what I mean, or sixty year old or sixty year olds. I know, we need more people, but.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: Because life is so profound at that point, I agree, but you have to have somebody who can write that and.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: Someone who will green light it.
00:36:55
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who can write it.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: Well, let's get going, right, let's do it.
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the to like, what sells or what doesn't you know?
00:37:08
Speaker 2: Right now?
00:37:09
Speaker 1: Nothing because the whole industry is upside down, right, But I did. I just met with Apple and I talked to them about them. They were like, yes, and I.
00:37:17
Speaker 2: Said, it's a gap doing something, but it's a gap about the age and what you're like.
00:37:21
Speaker 1: I think also for because I'm single, right, yeah, you know, there ain't nothing to see like on television. It's not right, but it's so interesting because like I don't know, if you watched the show with John Hamm on Apple your friends and neighbors.
00:37:36
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen Amanda pete Place, his ex wife. She's so incredible and it's.
00:37:41
Speaker 1: So interesting because they have this whole history, but yet she's trying to move on with this other guy and it's complicated, and you know, you do. You've lived so much life by now that there's so many layers, but you still are open and new things can still happen, which I think is what people don't necessarily think about or realize, right, But I'm in it, I'm living it, you know, so I am pretty sure things can still happen.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: Well, think just that they can happen. But it's also like just the way you move through the world is so interesting too, I.
00:38:10
Speaker 3: Mean different, yes, which I actually love too personally. I love love it, I know, but nobody believes us, right but right, I wouldn't go back.
00:38:21
Speaker 2: No, that's the part that kills me. Right, that's what we need, and that's what we were trying to do with them, just like that.
00:38:26
Speaker 1: But also they were still the characters, and so we were in that.
00:38:30
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: We couldn't take free of that world, right, So yes, okay.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: Go for it, thank you, thank you.
00:38:36
Speaker 3: And I think that it would be that kind of thing where it would be a huge hit, like something like that, and then people would.
00:38:41
Speaker 2: Be like, oh my god, and it's like duh. I mean maybe maybe, but maybe not, just you know what I mean.
00:38:46
Speaker 1: And my feeling also is like at this point everything is so kind of siloed and like sectioned off.
00:38:52
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it doesn't have to be a huge hit anymore.
00:38:55
Speaker 3: Oh I don't care about that either. No, you know what I'm saying, Just something a huge hit, I mean in terms of.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Quality, that's what I mean.
00:39:01
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I never want to be that famous no, I know, I know, it's really just something. Yeah, that like something where the people who need to find that I can find that happening and get right.
00:39:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Okay.
00:39:14
Speaker 3: One thing you're always great is you have a good business mind too, soul.
00:39:18
Speaker 2: Go for it. People who know me know that I do pay attention someone.
00:39:22
Speaker 3: I'm always like, huh.
00:39:25
Speaker 2: I think it's great as well. Not really, but anyway, we got what, we got, it all hooked out. It's all right, it worked out great, do you know what I mean?
00:39:32
Speaker 1: Pressing, pressing question. Let's discuss what you've brought up at the beginning. Are you a Charlotte?
00:39:38
Speaker 2: I'm not a Charlotte. I wish I were Charlotte. Yes, what are you? What am I carry one my pieces? Parts? Yeah? Actually I think, oh I know. Even said to me, I'm part Charlotte and part I think.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: She said Jessica. Sorry, Jessica, I can't remember. She's gonna get mad at me if I get it wrong.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: So okay, got it, got it? But who am I? I'm definitely not a Charlotte. No, you're kind of a Miranda. I am kind of a Miranda, right, totally a Miranda. I can't like it.
00:40:09
Speaker 3: I don't have any of the others. That's okay, it's so sad.
00:40:13
Speaker 2: No, why is that side?
00:40:14
Speaker 3: Miranda is great Miranda, right, yes, yes.
00:40:20
Speaker 1: And also the thing that I love about Miranda is like, on the one hand, everyone's like, oh, she's cynical, she's this's that, But if you actually look at her life, right, like, she got married, she had the kids. You know, she's with adorable Steve, and then she has this huge life.
00:40:33
Speaker 2: Change which is like a whole other thing.
00:40:34
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we won't even get into it, but you know she's yeah right, yeah, I mean she's so you know, Miranda is like a big heart underneath the facade of.
00:40:45
Speaker 2: Being totally cynical.
00:40:47
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and I don't really think it's again, the root of the thing is never thing like the biggest cover.
00:40:52
Speaker 1: Yes yeah yes, So that that to me is a little bit similar with you.
00:40:56
Speaker 2: She probably doesn't really worry about what she wears either.
00:40:58
Speaker 1: No really now, except for in this particular episode where she thinks she should be wearing gold la mate. But you know all of us have those moments, right, Adorable, thank you, so nice to see you, so nice to see you.
00:41:12
Speaker 5: Thank God, I know they can tell how we spend time together, just like totally.
00:41:18
Speaker 2: But that's that's the joy of a podcast, right I know.
00:41:21
Speaker 1: I know though, to me, these are the most fun, oh so fun, so fun. Thank you so much for joining us