Oct. 16, 2026
Sean Hannity Shockingly Grills Trump’s New Press Secretary Katie Zacharia; It Gets Uncomfortable
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RSS Feed It was not the interview most people were expecting to see on Fox News: Sean Hannity asking tough questions, complete with follow ups for 41-year old Katie Zacharia. The newly installed and immediately embattled press secretary was trying to clear up questions and confusion over her qualifications to refer to herself as a lawyer. It took several attempts by Hannity to get Zacharia to admit she never took the bar again after failing it the first time. At one point, Hannity asked her a question many of us have been asking: “Why didn’t you just say, ‘I never practiced law?'”
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, October 16th, and a lot of us can't wait to see the open of SNL on Saturday. But will the new press secretary even still be in the job at that point? And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Good Lord, Robes, is she going to survive the week? Poor Katie Zachariah. My heart hurts for her, but every time she tries to clean up a mess, she makes a bigger one.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the issue now because the press briefing that she gave on Tuesday obviously was bizarre, abrupt, just fairly disastrous.
00:00:41
Speaker 1: Okay, fine. You were very kind there.
00:00:42
Speaker 2: Okay, but so now she's got a chance to get back in front of the cameras, set the record straight, let the people know that she's somebody who can be trusted.
00:00:52
Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
00:00:52
Speaker 4: She has done a few interviews, and she's made me even think worse things about her.
00:00:57
Speaker 1: Okay, and here's the thing about those interviews. She did them in the most friendly of places. Conservative outlets, and it's still not going well. And in particular, of note, she did an interview with Sean. My best friend is Donald Trump Hannity on Fox News last night, Robes, that some are pointing to, and I will listen. could be ultimately her undoing. Just the fact that it happened there. We're going to play for you a bit of it. But Robes, it wasn't the friendly robe you would expect.
00:01:30
Speaker 2: Look, Sean Hannity, this I would say was the toughest, and I think most people are writing this, the toughest they have ever seen him be with a Trump administration official. He went in for the kill, some have even said, because he started finally, finally, someone started asking her, direct questions. And when she started meandering and going off on tangents without answering the question, he followed up and said, basically, answer the question. She was forced to be honest, and then he even questioned why she hadn't been clear and forthright from the beginning. I mean, he doubled down and followed up, and he didn't let her off easily. He did his job as a journalist, and frankly, I was impressed.
00:02:14
Speaker 4: I was clapping. Finally, someone did their job.
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Speaker 1: You know what? I... And yes, we're going to let you hear it. Rose, does this sound crazy? It almost sounds like, I never necessarily consider him a journalist. Yes, he's a political commentator, analyst, but he's an opinion guy. But he does have a TV show on the news station and he asks questions. Rose, I felt like he was doing the administration's job and not the job of a journalist. He felt like he was, I felt like he was possibly doing the bidding for them in some way because I can't imagine He would do this to his buddy, make this woman look even worse than she has looked, unless there is some other idea or plan or something. I don't imagine he would do anything that would hurt this administration. So if he did this last night, I wonder what's happening.
00:03:09
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I initially, my take was he is signaling to the president that he's done with this lady.
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Speaker 4: He's fed up with her.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't think that she has what it takes to do the job. And by his tough questions and his kind of curt tone, he was basically signaling to the president, yeah, I'm not, I don't stand behind this woman now. To your point now, I'm thinking, wow, could it be that someone in the administration asked him to do it? Make it tough. Have her sweat. Let's see how she does. And if she can't handle it, the president will do what he needs to do. Maybe he was given the green light to go ahead. And look, he wasn't mean. He didn't rough her up.
00:03:51
Speaker 1: At all.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't let her out easy. He didn't let her off easy.
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Speaker 2: He made sure she answered questions, and he called her out for not answering them transparently.
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Speaker 1: Babe, we have seen him for years have conversations, talk over people, cut people off. Robes, he was very measured. He was direct, but he was measured. He was frankly in that journalist lane that we usually don't see him in that seat. Robes, I am now listening to your theory that maybe he is so annoyed with what has happened that he is sending a signal on his own to the administration. I ain't on board with you.
00:04:32
Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Or someone within the administration says, told him, go ahead, we're okay, if you get.
00:04:38
Speaker 1: Tough with her. Well, that was the second, I guess, interview she had done. She did another with what they call Real America's Voice. It's a conservative program online, I believe, on YouTube.
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Speaker 4: That was a worthless interview. It really was.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was a friendly.
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Speaker 4: He didn't ask any tough questions.
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Speaker 2: He was stumbling all over the place and kind of saying, well, you know, I mean, I know, and like trying to already give her a defense before he asked the question.
00:05:03
Speaker 1: But they're buddies, clearly, right?
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Speaker 2: It just was, it didn't belong on television. And I would never even call that an interview.
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Speaker 1: And so, you know, as we're talking this through, Robes, that is a part of the problem. The first time you get a chance to answer questions, you sit down and these are the ones you're answering. Robes, that is a, I wouldn't go in front of the White House press briefing room and answer questions from all those folks. We know those folks. They are tough people. Tough, tough, tough.
00:05:30
Speaker 4: Smartest, some of the smartest people in the world.
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Speaker 1: She's got to go be in front of all of them. And this is your first sit down? Is this thing? You can't handle this?
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Speaker 2: And it's not that hard. And I think that's what Hannity was kind of saying to her. He's like, just say what it is and move on. Why are you getting all hung up on your explanations and your roundabout way of explaining things? I mean, she was, even the defense she was giving to me was she even didn't feel good about it. She was stilted and stuttering around talking about how she had babies and she didn't plan on ever actually getting a I guess, practicing law, but I thought it was really strange when he directly asked her, and you've been dying for someone to ask her, did you ever take the bar exam again? She wouldn't even directly answer that. Eventually he got her to, but it was weird to me that she wouldn't just be straight.
00:06:35
Speaker 1: And here is the thing, babe. I don't care if she's a lawyer to be the White House judge. press secretary.
00:06:43
Speaker 4: Nobody does.
00:06:44
Speaker 1: I actually don't. She's making me care about her legal background by dancing around what seemed to be, babe, simple questions. And now it's Friday. She started on Monday, and she's still the talk of the town. But in these two interviews, we did learn a few things. She went into, we'll tell you about this, talked about she didn't have a lot of prep time before that briefing robe. She also said, explained how she did not apply or put her name forward for this job. She admits she didn't pass the bar. She gave details about how she was hired. Some of that was interesting. She also explained why she never practiced law and explained why the briefing was so short. Let's start there, Roe. She said it was short because it was supposed to end at 10 a.m. because the president needed to go. It was supposed to start at 9.30 a.m. She came out late. Does that explain why it was so short?
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Speaker 2: No, in fact, I think she kind of caught herself because at one point she was saying that It was basically, because I believe the interviewer asked her, well, normally these press briefings are about an hour. Why did you decide to, why was it so short? And she said, well, you know, we knew the president had to leave. And so, yeah, I mean, it was going to be like 30 minutes. And then she stopped. To me, it sounded like she was saying the expectation was it was supposed to go 30 minutes.
00:08:02
Speaker 4: And she flipped out, freaked out, and cut it off and walked away.
00:08:06
Speaker 1: I saw that, too.
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Speaker 4: That was my takeaway.
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Speaker 1: I would, I... You and I saw the exact same thing. We saw the exact same thing in that answer. Also, Rose, we did note she only called on three reporters, and at least two of them were from clearly conservative or friendly outlets, and the other was a tabloid. She explained, I didn't like this answer.
00:08:26
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous.
00:08:28
Speaker 2: Her answer was, I took several questions and I think it's been mixed because they've said I only took questions from conservative outlets. However, the Daily Mail is not known to be a conservative outlet or friendly to conservatives.
00:08:40
Speaker 4: So I do challenge that narrative.
00:08:45
Speaker 1: Hey, that's small and petty and not accurate. So 66% of the questions you took were from conservative outlets and It's like, ah, I got one. No, no, no, no. I push back on that narrative. She's bigger than that answer she gave. Her position is bigger than that answer she gave, babe. Okay, it's fine. She's not ready for prime time just yet, but she better do it quickly. Now, Rose, I give her credit. This was an extraordinary week leading up to her getting the job, but the back and forth she talked about from first, what did she say? She was going pumpkin picking with her son or something.
00:09:19
Speaker 4: She was at a pumpkin patch. She was at a field trip. She was like, basically the chaperone, one of the mom chaperones, when she got a call on Wednesday. She flew to D.C. on Thursday.
00:09:30
Speaker 2: She met the president and was offered a job on Friday, flew back to California on Saturday, packed a few things, got back on a plane on Sunday, headed to D.C., and started work on Monday.
00:09:40
Speaker 4: You made the good point, though.
00:09:41
Speaker 2: All of that travel back and forth, yes, it's tiring, but now you've got about six hours where you don't have kids, mom, mom, mom, mom, and you can just sit there and prepare and prep. And write out what you're going to say. She claims that she didn't get the briefing materials until late the night before. but, and that she got up at 3am, but I didn't see anybody who seemed to have been prepared or who read through her notes or had practiced those notes.
00:10:08
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
00:10:10
Speaker 2: Everyone's skillset is different, but it, she's admitting she was unprepared, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse.
00:10:18
Speaker 1: For, Here is the issue with being unprepared. You read for eight minutes. You're a 41-year-old woman who knows the English language. Your excuse for reading poorly. No, babe, that's not what we're talking about. If she got asked a question about Ukraine and oil and minerals and... And she flubbed it a little bit. I would say, okay, she wasn't fully prepared. She didn't have time to go through all that stuff. Robes, she's saying I wasn't prepared, but eight of the 14 minutes were only you reading English words. So that's not good enough. And then two questions from fully conservative outlets. Robes, the first one was softball, softball. The next from Peter Doocy. The Ukraine question she got, she said, I'll get back to you.
00:11:11
Speaker 4: And she offered no context, nothing. And you could tell she panicked in that moment.
00:11:15
Speaker 1: And then the third person asked her about her family or something, and she gave the Kimberly Guilfoyle news. Yes. So the lack of preparation didn't actually show up because it wasn't necessary for her to have a handle on every foreign and domestic policy of the president.
00:11:30
Speaker 4: That's such a good point.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessary. She needed to read the news. For eight minutes. And, babe, it sounds like at one point Sean Hannity said to her, you sound like you're blaming members of the administration for you not being fully prepared. Robes, it did sound like she did. Robes, this is high-level stuff. I had to get up at three. So did I, and I got a podcast. I'm not impressed. Rose, don't make excuses for why I didn't have enough time to do the most important job in the White House.
00:12:13
Speaker 4: Her hair and her makeup and her clothing were perfect.
00:12:16
Speaker 1: See, I couldn't go there with that.
00:12:18
Speaker 2: But I bet you she spent way more time in how she looked and how she presented herself rather than what she was going to be saying, how she was going to be delivering it, and the information she was going to need to be able to effectively do her job. And yes, I don't think any of us expected her to know all of the ins and outs of Trump policy right now, but you had to know at least a little something about every major topic so that you could at least hold your own.
00:12:45
Speaker 4: And yes, of course, everyone's going to give her a bit of a pass. It's her first day.
00:12:49
Speaker 2: There's a major learning curve, but she had nothing to offer.
00:12:54
Speaker 1: Nothing. confidence would have been one thing, right? Just going in, own the room. I'm okay with that. Again, I'm giving advice. I've never been in that position, never will be standing up there. I know how difficult it is, but Robes, I know big moments. I know big moments in front of audiences, in front of crowds, in front of cameras. I know big moments and what you have to do to prepare for them. How could you not be so scared that you stayed up 24-7 from the time the president said, you got the job until I stepped to that podium? And just, it's not an excuse, I don't think, baby, to just say, yeah, I didn't have enough time. They didn't give me the briefing book until 8. You know, I did my best. I don't know if that's good enough. And I've been giving her a pass all week on how hard that job is. But now there's questions about her background and the lawyer and attorney thing. It's just, lady. Be straight with me on the most basic of questions. These aren't gotcha questions.
00:13:52
Speaker 2: No, she's not had one gotcha question, and not even Sean Hannity. He was tough. He was firm. He was fair, though. He wasn't... He didn't ask anything that was.
00:14:04
Speaker 4: that was too far or, or difficult.
00:14:06
Speaker 2: Like these were all basic questions that she had the absolute answer to because it's about her and her life.
00:14:14
Speaker 4: And when you start making excuses, yeah.
00:14:16
Speaker 2: And you said throwing the administration under the bus, she said, given the fact that I'd been on the job less than maybe eight hours and had a briefing book in the morning, I feel like I did my very best Sean to deliver for the American people that day.
00:14:29
Speaker 1: Wrong.
00:14:30
Speaker 2: You know what I, again, offering advice, but why couldn't she have just said, That was not my best performance, but I assure you the next time I stand up in front of the press, I'm going to be ready to go. So, yes, what you saw on Tuesday was me nervous, me figuring things out, and I assure you a repeat of that will never occur again.
00:14:49
Speaker 1: Boom. Man, I hope someone in somebody's orbit plucks what you just said and gives it to her.
00:14:57
Speaker 4: Acknowledge that it was a shitty press conference.
00:14:59
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
00:15:00
Speaker 4: And you did a shitty job. Don't say I did my best. You did not.
00:15:04
Speaker 2: If that's her best, we're in trouble and she will not last. If that's her best, she should actually think about what she said. Because I don't think she wants people to think that that was her doing her best.
00:15:17
Speaker 1: It was her best. Best under the circumstances. Maybe that's what she meant to say.
00:15:21
Speaker 5: Okay.
00:15:22
Speaker 1: But stay with us. We will let you hear in just a moment when we come back. A very interesting, maybe the most interesting exchange in the interview between Sean Hannity and the new press secretary.
00:15:43
Speaker 4: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ.
00:15:46
Speaker 2: Yes, we are hearing directly from our new White House press secretary, Katie Zachariah. And the one of note, the one that's really making the rounds is the sit down she did with Sean Hannity on Fox last night. And I have to tell you, it was, it was compelling to watch.
00:16:04
Speaker 1: Not what you were expecting necessarily.
00:16:06
Speaker 4: No, not at all what I was expecting.
00:16:08
Speaker 1: Um, so interview went about six, seven minutes of TV time. Here is an interesting back and forth. And this is what Robach has been talking about. Sean Hannity did not let her off the hook. Good school. No doubt about it.
00:16:22
Speaker 5: Um, You took the bar exam, but you didn't pass the bar exam, correct? Yes, Sean. Okay, did you ever take it a second time?
00:16:32
Speaker 3: So for background, I graduated Pepperdine, got married in the same week, and we had all intent to move out to China. I had already pre-registered for the bar exam and during, basically during the summer, I knew I would be living in China and the results of the bar were inconsequential. And I sat for it because I didn't want to have a withdrawal status. And then I moved over to China and where I did get a job in an international practice of a Chinese law firm. I was doing cross-country border transactions and multi-million dollar shareholder agreements.
00:17:10
Speaker 5: But I want to ask you specifically, I know that part of the story, and you.
00:17:14
Speaker 1: Did do all of that.
00:17:15
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:17:15
Speaker 5: But did you ever take the bar exam a second time?
00:17:18
Speaker 3: I did not, Sean.
00:17:19
Speaker 1: Or a third time?
00:17:19
Speaker 2: No.
00:17:20
Speaker 1: You did not, okay.
00:17:21
Speaker 5: So you said you consulted with many people, and they advised you that it was okay to call yourself.
00:17:27
Speaker 1: A lawyer but not an attorney, correct?
00:17:30
Speaker 3: Correct.
00:17:31
Speaker 2: Correct.
00:17:32
Speaker 5: Okay, there's a report out tonight that showed 15 social media posts where you identify yourself as an attorney.
00:17:40
Speaker 3: I think they were retweets, and I corrected the record and said that there's not endorsing the title. They were retweets of a title that.
00:17:48
Speaker 5: Had been given. You know, look, that is a very tough room, and I've known a lot of press secretaries over the years, and following on the heels of Caroline Leavitt is very tough.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: And.
00:18:02
Speaker 5: And speaking for Donald Trump makes everything tougher. Why not just say I went to Pepperdine Law School and then took a different career path and I took the bar once and didn't pass it? Why get into this long, drawn-out definition between the difference between a lawyer and an attorney? Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction. Why didn't you just say, I never practiced law?
00:18:23
Speaker 3: Well, Sean, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar. I had four kids in six years. It was never my intent to go into the practice of law. When I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted attorneys and legal professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, both because I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, Pepperdine Law School, And in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual substantive legal experience, I wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or, excuse me, legal advice. I wasn't being paid for legal advice. I was giving a general review of the legal circumstances surrounding it.
00:19:08
Speaker 1: You know what?
00:19:09
Speaker 2: I'm curious why she couldn't just say, bless her heart, why she couldn't just say, you know what, Sean?
00:19:14
Speaker 1: You're right.
00:19:15
Speaker 4: If I could go back, I would do it differently.
00:19:17
Speaker 2: I mean, just be that person who acknowledges what we all see happening.
00:19:23
Speaker 4: And just say, you're right. I messed up.
00:19:25
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have ever allowed someone to call me an attorney or a lawyer, and I should have corrected them, and I regret not doing it.
00:19:34
Speaker 1: That was tough. That's a tough lesson. That's tough to hear. I mean, I say poor thing, and she's a grown woman that doesn't need pity, but I feel... bad for her right now. She's in the midst of a media firestorm and she can't quite figure out how to make it stop she's trying to lessen the impact when she can just stop it she's not being accused of the most heinous of things it's just a simple question when someone asks did you take the bar a second time.
00:20:10
Speaker 2: Let me give you some background here to the story of what led up to the point where I.
00:20:14
Speaker 1: What? Just say yes or no. That was a tough answer that signaled so much. And she's just, I think she's terrified right now. Because her boss is Trump. And she just seems so unsure of herself in every word that comes out of her mouth. Some stuff, she stopped at the end of something. went to China, it sounds like she was reading from something prepared. And she's stopping in certain places.
00:20:44
Speaker 2: She might have written out what she wants to say so she doesn't say something wrong. And then, yes, it doesn't come out. It doesn't come off or out as an authentic feeling. Even when she was reading the prepared remarks, I said this when we watched her press conference on Tuesday. She didn't even have any conviction behind any of the words she was saying. And it came off so strangely.
00:21:09
Speaker 4: Because of that.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: She was talking about how much she loves President Trump, but she's like, I love President Trump.
00:21:15
Speaker 4: It was like weird. Like she was a robot badly reading a script that she didn't believe in.
00:21:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. Give me one Scaramucci. Give me two Scaramucci.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: He lasted 11 days. So everyone's taking bets to see if she's going to outlive Scaramucci's tenure as press secretary. And if so, for how long? But people are certainly counting the days. Maybe the hours.
00:21:44
Speaker 1: She can turn this around. She still can. Trump can't turn it around for her. She needs to turn this around. And she needs to be strong and firm and confident. And sometimes when you're wrong, be confident. You know how confident Trump is when he's looking in our faces and telling us something we know not to be true? Confident. Get some of that something. She's the messenger. We have to listen to her every day.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: She doesn't even believe what she's saying. And so how am I supposed to believe what she's saying?
00:22:20
Speaker 1: What hasn't been asked? What needs to be asked? What would you want to ask?
00:22:28
Speaker 2: You have some questions on here, and I think this one is the one that I believe needs to be asked specifically because, yes, we've gone back and forth about lawyer, attorney. How about the fact that on her resumeâ she lists that she served as general counsel for an organization in California. And that is what led to journalists looking up and trying to verify whether or not she had passed the bar in California. Because if you say you are general counsel, you are saying, she said, oh, I've never said.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: I'm an Esquire or an attorney at law.
00:23:00
Speaker 2: Okay, but you did say, you retweeted it, fine, but you absolutely put on your resume that you served as general counsel.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: Someone needs to ask her that question.
00:23:09
Speaker 1: Why that one didn't come up. That's as direct as it gets.
00:23:12
Speaker 4: Well, maybe Sean backed away from that.
00:23:14
Speaker 2: Obviously, he would know of that and know that that is the basis for this complaint that's been filed against her by a left-leaning nonprofit asking the California bar to investigate her for lying.
00:23:27
Speaker 1: That her answer could possibly be the admission of a crime.
00:23:30
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:23:30
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he didn't ask it.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: Oh, damn.
00:23:32
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, that maybe he at least gave her that... courtesy, so to speak, because she could actually be in legal trouble about that specific instance on her resume.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: Oh my God, bro. This is a mess. The president is on the road every day from now until election day, midterms, babe. That's been the focus.
00:23:55
Speaker 4: She's supposed to be with him by his side.
00:23:57
Speaker 1: Putting out his message. Yes. Yes.
00:24:01
Speaker 2: She can't even get to that point because she can't even get her message straight.
00:24:05
Speaker 1: If she's not doing press briefings, what is she doing? She's a spokesperson.
00:24:10
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:24:12
Speaker 1: She's not doing briefings. There's not one planned.
00:24:14
Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine? That's why I'm wondering.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Is he going to let her get back up on that podium and address?
00:24:22
Speaker 1: A good point. One's not planned. Will they now not let her get up there until what?
00:24:27
Speaker 4: After the midterms.
00:24:29
Speaker 1: No way we can hold off on hearing from the press secretary.
00:24:33
Speaker 2: Woo, I like your, you have a question that you wanted to ask her and I really like this one. What was your responsibility in making sure you were fully prepared?
00:24:43
Speaker 4: And do you feel like you came up short?
00:24:45
Speaker 2: That would be the perfect follow-up to her trying to say, I didn't get my briefings soon enough. I wasn't, but to your point, she wasn't, she didn't need to be briefed on anything because she didn't discuss any policy.
00:24:58
Speaker 1: She didn't, not a thing. That's just, She keeps telling us she's not ready for primetime. And again, we don't know this woman and are rooting for her. And certainly more so, Robes, I would say being in the middle of this kind of media storm, my heart goes out to her and connect with her in that way even more so. But I want her to be okay. And I want her to wrap this up and we can get back to the business of the country. But Robes, I just thought at this moment, you said about the preparation. September, it was.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: On a Thursday is when I started CNN, 29 years old. 29, my first day at CNN, it was on a Thursday. And I was hired as the weekend morning anchor. And I went in there on a Thursday. I was going to fill in some stuff and fill out some forms and go to this and that. And I said, well, we're going to discuss when I might start. Should I shadow this weekend? What should I do? Robes, they told me and my agents, we hired you to do the job, not to train you to do the job. You're anchoring this weekend. That's how I start. And to that, it always stuck with me. Maybe this is the big time. The White House press secretary. Don't talk to me about you needing to get caught up. You show up and hit the ground running. It's what some presidential candidates say against their opponents. He's not ready to hit the ground running on day one. I am that thing. okay, Katie, this is big time. This is big league.
00:26:25
Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:26:25
Speaker 2: And in the same breath as she didn't do what it would have taken for her to have had a better performance, she talks about how she's wanted this job her whole life. It's almost just like she's just wanted the idea. She liked the idea of the job. She liked what the job represented. She liked what the job would feel like or look like. She did not talk about actually the job and what it takes to actually do it well. it was almost as if she just got hung up on the excitement around it. And that's disturbing that she didn't consider what in it, what was going to be required of her and from her to do it well.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: And again, this is, I know it's a tough job or the toughest in the administration. We get it. And I'll say again, still rooting for this young woman and give her the benefit of the doubt. Um, She's messed up and she needs to just get her footing and she's going to be okay. But I do want her to be. Because this is, once again, this is not a good look.
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Speaker 4: No, and this will be so interesting.
00:27:30
Speaker 2: We are going to be listening for and watching for any news headlines that Katie Zachariah is going to be holding her next press briefing. If she thought the first time was filled with a lot of pressure and scrutiny. This next time is going to be even more. So stay tuned, everybody. And with that, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach, alongside TJ Holmes.
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Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, October 16th, and a lot of us can't wait to see the open of SNL on Saturday. But will the new press secretary even still be in the job at that point? And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Good Lord, Robes, is she going to survive the week? Poor Katie Zachariah. My heart hurts for her, but every time she tries to clean up a mess, she makes a bigger one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the issue now because the press briefing that she gave on Tuesday obviously was bizarre, abrupt, just fairly disastrous.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fine. You were very kind there.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but so now she's got a chance to get back in front of the cameras, set the record straight, let the people know that she's somebody who can be trusted.
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Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
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Speaker 4: She has done a few interviews, and she's made me even think worse things about her.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and here's the thing about those interviews. She did them in the most friendly of places. Conservative outlets, and it's still not going well. And in particular, of note, she did an interview with Sean. My best friend is Donald Trump Hannity on Fox News last night, Robes, that some are pointing to, and I will listen. could be ultimately her undoing. Just the fact that it happened there. We're going to play for you a bit of it. But Robes, it wasn't the friendly robe you would expect.
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Speaker 2: Look, Sean Hannity, this I would say was the toughest, and I think most people are writing this, the toughest they have ever seen him be with a Trump administration official. He went in for the kill, some have even said, because he started finally, finally, someone started asking her, direct questions. And when she started meandering and going off on tangents without answering the question, he followed up and said, basically, answer the question. She was forced to be honest, and then he even questioned why she hadn't been clear and forthright from the beginning. I mean, he doubled down and followed up, and he didn't let her off easily. He did his job as a journalist, and frankly, I was impressed.
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Speaker 4: I was clapping. Finally, someone did their job.
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Speaker 1: You know what? I... And yes, we're going to let you hear it. Rose, does this sound crazy? It almost sounds like, I never necessarily consider him a journalist. Yes, he's a political commentator, analyst, but he's an opinion guy. But he does have a TV show on the news station and he asks questions. Rose, I felt like he was doing the administration's job and not the job of a journalist. He felt like he was, I felt like he was possibly doing the bidding for them in some way because I can't imagine He would do this to his buddy, make this woman look even worse than she has looked, unless there is some other idea or plan or something. I don't imagine he would do anything that would hurt this administration. So if he did this last night, I wonder what's happening.
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I initially, my take was he is signaling to the president that he's done with this lady.
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Speaker 4: He's fed up with her.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't think that she has what it takes to do the job. And by his tough questions and his kind of curt tone, he was basically signaling to the president, yeah, I'm not, I don't stand behind this woman now. To your point now, I'm thinking, wow, could it be that someone in the administration asked him to do it? Make it tough. Have her sweat. Let's see how she does. And if she can't handle it, the president will do what he needs to do. Maybe he was given the green light to go ahead. And look, he wasn't mean. He didn't rough her up.
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Speaker 1: At all.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't let her out easy. He didn't let her off easy.
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Speaker 2: He made sure she answered questions, and he called her out for not answering them transparently.
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Speaker 1: Babe, we have seen him for years have conversations, talk over people, cut people off. Robes, he was very measured. He was direct, but he was measured. He was frankly in that journalist lane that we usually don't see him in that seat. Robes, I am now listening to your theory that maybe he is so annoyed with what has happened that he is sending a signal on his own to the administration. I ain't on board with you.
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Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Or someone within the administration says, told him, go ahead, we're okay, if you get.
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Speaker 1: Tough with her. Well, that was the second, I guess, interview she had done. She did another with what they call Real America's Voice. It's a conservative program online, I believe, on YouTube.
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Speaker 4: That was a worthless interview. It really was.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was a friendly.
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Speaker 4: He didn't ask any tough questions.
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Speaker 2: He was stumbling all over the place and kind of saying, well, you know, I mean, I know, and like trying to already give her a defense before he asked the question.
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Speaker 1: But they're buddies, clearly, right?
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Speaker 2: It just was, it didn't belong on television. And I would never even call that an interview.
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Speaker 1: And so, you know, as we're talking this through, Robes, that is a part of the problem. The first time you get a chance to answer questions, you sit down and these are the ones you're answering. Robes, that is a, I wouldn't go in front of the White House press briefing room and answer questions from all those folks. We know those folks. They are tough people. Tough, tough, tough.
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Speaker 4: Smartest, some of the smartest people in the world.
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Speaker 1: She's got to go be in front of all of them. And this is your first sit down? Is this thing? You can't handle this?
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Speaker 2: And it's not that hard. And I think that's what Hannity was kind of saying to her. He's like, just say what it is and move on. Why are you getting all hung up on your explanations and your roundabout way of explaining things? I mean, she was, even the defense she was giving to me was she even didn't feel good about it. She was stilted and stuttering around talking about how she had babies and she didn't plan on ever actually getting a I guess, practicing law, but I thought it was really strange when he directly asked her, and you've been dying for someone to ask her, did you ever take the bar exam again? She wouldn't even directly answer that. Eventually he got her to, but it was weird to me that she wouldn't just be straight.
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Speaker 1: And here is the thing, babe. I don't care if she's a lawyer to be the White House judge. press secretary.
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Speaker 4: Nobody does.
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Speaker 1: I actually don't. She's making me care about her legal background by dancing around what seemed to be, babe, simple questions. And now it's Friday. She started on Monday, and she's still the talk of the town. But in these two interviews, we did learn a few things. She went into, we'll tell you about this, talked about she didn't have a lot of prep time before that briefing robe. She also said, explained how she did not apply or put her name forward for this job. She admits she didn't pass the bar. She gave details about how she was hired. Some of that was interesting. She also explained why she never practiced law and explained why the briefing was so short. Let's start there, Roe. She said it was short because it was supposed to end at 10 a.m. because the president needed to go. It was supposed to start at 9.30 a.m. She came out late. Does that explain why it was so short?
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Speaker 2: No, in fact, I think she kind of caught herself because at one point she was saying that It was basically, because I believe the interviewer asked her, well, normally these press briefings are about an hour. Why did you decide to, why was it so short? And she said, well, you know, we knew the president had to leave. And so, yeah, I mean, it was going to be like 30 minutes. And then she stopped. To me, it sounded like she was saying the expectation was it was supposed to go 30 minutes.
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Speaker 4: And she flipped out, freaked out, and cut it off and walked away.
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Speaker 1: I saw that, too.
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Speaker 4: That was my takeaway.
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Speaker 1: I would, I... You and I saw the exact same thing. We saw the exact same thing in that answer. Also, Rose, we did note she only called on three reporters, and at least two of them were from clearly conservative or friendly outlets, and the other was a tabloid. She explained, I didn't like this answer.
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Speaker 4: This is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Her answer was, I took several questions and I think it's been mixed because they've said I only took questions from conservative outlets. However, the Daily Mail is not known to be a conservative outlet or friendly to conservatives.
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Speaker 4: So I do challenge that narrative.
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Speaker 1: Hey, that's small and petty and not accurate. So 66% of the questions you took were from conservative outlets and It's like, ah, I got one. No, no, no, no. I push back on that narrative. She's bigger than that answer she gave. Her position is bigger than that answer she gave, babe. Okay, it's fine. She's not ready for prime time just yet, but she better do it quickly. Now, Rose, I give her credit. This was an extraordinary week leading up to her getting the job, but the back and forth she talked about from first, what did she say? She was going pumpkin picking with her son or something.
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Speaker 4: She was at a pumpkin patch. She was at a field trip. She was like, basically the chaperone, one of the mom chaperones, when she got a call on Wednesday. She flew to D.C. on Thursday.
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Speaker 2: She met the president and was offered a job on Friday, flew back to California on Saturday, packed a few things, got back on a plane on Sunday, headed to D.C., and started work on Monday.
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Speaker 4: You made the good point, though.
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Speaker 2: All of that travel back and forth, yes, it's tiring, but now you've got about six hours where you don't have kids, mom, mom, mom, mom, and you can just sit there and prepare and prep. And write out what you're going to say. She claims that she didn't get the briefing materials until late the night before. but, and that she got up at 3am, but I didn't see anybody who seemed to have been prepared or who read through her notes or had practiced those notes.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's skillset is different, but it, she's admitting she was unprepared, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse.
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Speaker 1: For, Here is the issue with being unprepared. You read for eight minutes. You're a 41-year-old woman who knows the English language. Your excuse for reading poorly. No, babe, that's not what we're talking about. If she got asked a question about Ukraine and oil and minerals and... And she flubbed it a little bit. I would say, okay, she wasn't fully prepared. She didn't have time to go through all that stuff. Robes, she's saying I wasn't prepared, but eight of the 14 minutes were only you reading English words. So that's not good enough. And then two questions from fully conservative outlets. Robes, the first one was softball, softball. The next from Peter Doocy. The Ukraine question she got, she said, I'll get back to you.
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Speaker 4: And she offered no context, nothing. And you could tell she panicked in that moment.
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Speaker 1: And then the third person asked her about her family or something, and she gave the Kimberly Guilfoyle news. Yes. So the lack of preparation didn't actually show up because it wasn't necessary for her to have a handle on every foreign and domestic policy of the president.
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Speaker 4: That's such a good point.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't necessary. She needed to read the news. For eight minutes. And, babe, it sounds like at one point Sean Hannity said to her, you sound like you're blaming members of the administration for you not being fully prepared. Robes, it did sound like she did. Robes, this is high-level stuff. I had to get up at three. So did I, and I got a podcast. I'm not impressed. Rose, don't make excuses for why I didn't have enough time to do the most important job in the White House.
00:12:13
Speaker 4: Her hair and her makeup and her clothing were perfect.
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Speaker 1: See, I couldn't go there with that.
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Speaker 2: But I bet you she spent way more time in how she looked and how she presented herself rather than what she was going to be saying, how she was going to be delivering it, and the information she was going to need to be able to effectively do her job. And yes, I don't think any of us expected her to know all of the ins and outs of Trump policy right now, but you had to know at least a little something about every major topic so that you could at least hold your own.
00:12:45
Speaker 4: And yes, of course, everyone's going to give her a bit of a pass. It's her first day.
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Speaker 2: There's a major learning curve, but she had nothing to offer.
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Speaker 1: Nothing. confidence would have been one thing, right? Just going in, own the room. I'm okay with that. Again, I'm giving advice. I've never been in that position, never will be standing up there. I know how difficult it is, but Robes, I know big moments. I know big moments in front of audiences, in front of crowds, in front of cameras. I know big moments and what you have to do to prepare for them. How could you not be so scared that you stayed up 24-7 from the time the president said, you got the job until I stepped to that podium? And just, it's not an excuse, I don't think, baby, to just say, yeah, I didn't have enough time. They didn't give me the briefing book until 8. You know, I did my best. I don't know if that's good enough. And I've been giving her a pass all week on how hard that job is. But now there's questions about her background and the lawyer and attorney thing. It's just, lady. Be straight with me on the most basic of questions. These aren't gotcha questions.
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Speaker 2: No, she's not had one gotcha question, and not even Sean Hannity. He was tough. He was firm. He was fair, though. He wasn't... He didn't ask anything that was.
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Speaker 4: that was too far or, or difficult.
00:14:06
Speaker 2: Like these were all basic questions that she had the absolute answer to because it's about her and her life.
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Speaker 4: And when you start making excuses, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And you said throwing the administration under the bus, she said, given the fact that I'd been on the job less than maybe eight hours and had a briefing book in the morning, I feel like I did my very best Sean to deliver for the American people that day.
00:14:29
Speaker 1: Wrong.
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Speaker 2: You know what I, again, offering advice, but why couldn't she have just said, That was not my best performance, but I assure you the next time I stand up in front of the press, I'm going to be ready to go. So, yes, what you saw on Tuesday was me nervous, me figuring things out, and I assure you a repeat of that will never occur again.
00:14:49
Speaker 1: Boom. Man, I hope someone in somebody's orbit plucks what you just said and gives it to her.
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Speaker 4: Acknowledge that it was a shitty press conference.
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
00:15:00
Speaker 4: And you did a shitty job. Don't say I did my best. You did not.
00:15:04
Speaker 2: If that's her best, we're in trouble and she will not last. If that's her best, she should actually think about what she said. Because I don't think she wants people to think that that was her doing her best.
00:15:17
Speaker 1: It was her best. Best under the circumstances. Maybe that's what she meant to say.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
00:15:22
Speaker 1: But stay with us. We will let you hear in just a moment when we come back. A very interesting, maybe the most interesting exchange in the interview between Sean Hannity and the new press secretary.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we are hearing directly from our new White House press secretary, Katie Zachariah. And the one of note, the one that's really making the rounds is the sit down she did with Sean Hannity on Fox last night. And I have to tell you, it was, it was compelling to watch.
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Speaker 1: Not what you were expecting necessarily.
00:16:06
Speaker 4: No, not at all what I was expecting.
00:16:08
Speaker 1: Um, so interview went about six, seven minutes of TV time. Here is an interesting back and forth. And this is what Robach has been talking about. Sean Hannity did not let her off the hook. Good school. No doubt about it.
00:16:22
Speaker 5: Um, You took the bar exam, but you didn't pass the bar exam, correct? Yes, Sean. Okay, did you ever take it a second time?
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Speaker 3: So for background, I graduated Pepperdine, got married in the same week, and we had all intent to move out to China. I had already pre-registered for the bar exam and during, basically during the summer, I knew I would be living in China and the results of the bar were inconsequential. And I sat for it because I didn't want to have a withdrawal status. And then I moved over to China and where I did get a job in an international practice of a Chinese law firm. I was doing cross-country border transactions and multi-million dollar shareholder agreements.
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Speaker 5: But I want to ask you specifically, I know that part of the story, and you.
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Speaker 1: Did do all of that.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
00:17:15
Speaker 5: But did you ever take the bar exam a second time?
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Speaker 3: I did not, Sean.
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Speaker 1: Or a third time?
00:17:19
Speaker 2: No.
00:17:20
Speaker 1: You did not, okay.
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Speaker 5: So you said you consulted with many people, and they advised you that it was okay to call yourself.
00:17:27
Speaker 1: A lawyer but not an attorney, correct?
00:17:30
Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 5: Okay, there's a report out tonight that showed 15 social media posts where you identify yourself as an attorney.
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Speaker 3: I think they were retweets, and I corrected the record and said that there's not endorsing the title. They were retweets of a title that.
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Speaker 5: Had been given. You know, look, that is a very tough room, and I've known a lot of press secretaries over the years, and following on the heels of Caroline Leavitt is very tough.
00:18:01
Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 5: And speaking for Donald Trump makes everything tougher. Why not just say I went to Pepperdine Law School and then took a different career path and I took the bar once and didn't pass it? Why get into this long, drawn-out definition between the difference between a lawyer and an attorney? Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction. Why didn't you just say, I never practiced law?
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Speaker 3: Well, Sean, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar. I had four kids in six years. It was never my intent to go into the practice of law. When I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted attorneys and legal professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, both because I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, Pepperdine Law School, And in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual substantive legal experience, I wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or, excuse me, legal advice. I wasn't being paid for legal advice. I was giving a general review of the legal circumstances surrounding it.
00:19:08
Speaker 1: You know what?
00:19:09
Speaker 2: I'm curious why she couldn't just say, bless her heart, why she couldn't just say, you know what, Sean?
00:19:14
Speaker 1: You're right.
00:19:15
Speaker 4: If I could go back, I would do it differently.
00:19:17
Speaker 2: I mean, just be that person who acknowledges what we all see happening.
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Speaker 4: And just say, you're right. I messed up.
00:19:25
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have ever allowed someone to call me an attorney or a lawyer, and I should have corrected them, and I regret not doing it.
00:19:34
Speaker 1: That was tough. That's a tough lesson. That's tough to hear. I mean, I say poor thing, and she's a grown woman that doesn't need pity, but I feel... bad for her right now. She's in the midst of a media firestorm and she can't quite figure out how to make it stop she's trying to lessen the impact when she can just stop it she's not being accused of the most heinous of things it's just a simple question when someone asks did you take the bar a second time.
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Speaker 2: Let me give you some background here to the story of what led up to the point where I.
00:20:14
Speaker 1: What? Just say yes or no. That was a tough answer that signaled so much. And she's just, I think she's terrified right now. Because her boss is Trump. And she just seems so unsure of herself in every word that comes out of her mouth. Some stuff, she stopped at the end of something. went to China, it sounds like she was reading from something prepared. And she's stopping in certain places.
00:20:44
Speaker 2: She might have written out what she wants to say so she doesn't say something wrong. And then, yes, it doesn't come out. It doesn't come off or out as an authentic feeling. Even when she was reading the prepared remarks, I said this when we watched her press conference on Tuesday. She didn't even have any conviction behind any of the words she was saying. And it came off so strangely.
00:21:09
Speaker 4: Because of that.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: She was talking about how much she loves President Trump, but she's like, I love President Trump.
00:21:15
Speaker 4: It was like weird. Like she was a robot badly reading a script that she didn't believe in.
00:21:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. Give me one Scaramucci. Give me two Scaramucci.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: He lasted 11 days. So everyone's taking bets to see if she's going to outlive Scaramucci's tenure as press secretary. And if so, for how long? But people are certainly counting the days. Maybe the hours.
00:21:44
Speaker 1: She can turn this around. She still can. Trump can't turn it around for her. She needs to turn this around. And she needs to be strong and firm and confident. And sometimes when you're wrong, be confident. You know how confident Trump is when he's looking in our faces and telling us something we know not to be true? Confident. Get some of that something. She's the messenger. We have to listen to her every day.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: She doesn't even believe what she's saying. And so how am I supposed to believe what she's saying?
00:22:20
Speaker 1: What hasn't been asked? What needs to be asked? What would you want to ask?
00:22:28
Speaker 2: You have some questions on here, and I think this one is the one that I believe needs to be asked specifically because, yes, we've gone back and forth about lawyer, attorney. How about the fact that on her resumeâ she lists that she served as general counsel for an organization in California. And that is what led to journalists looking up and trying to verify whether or not she had passed the bar in California. Because if you say you are general counsel, you are saying, she said, oh, I've never said.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: I'm an Esquire or an attorney at law.
00:23:00
Speaker 2: Okay, but you did say, you retweeted it, fine, but you absolutely put on your resume that you served as general counsel.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: Someone needs to ask her that question.
00:23:09
Speaker 1: Why that one didn't come up. That's as direct as it gets.
00:23:12
Speaker 4: Well, maybe Sean backed away from that.
00:23:14
Speaker 2: Obviously, he would know of that and know that that is the basis for this complaint that's been filed against her by a left-leaning nonprofit asking the California bar to investigate her for lying.
00:23:27
Speaker 1: That her answer could possibly be the admission of a crime.
00:23:30
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:23:30
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he didn't ask it.
00:23:31
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:23:32
Speaker 1: Oh, damn.
00:23:32
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, that maybe he at least gave her that... courtesy, so to speak, because she could actually be in legal trouble about that specific instance on her resume.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: Oh my God, bro. This is a mess. The president is on the road every day from now until election day, midterms, babe. That's been the focus.
00:23:55
Speaker 4: She's supposed to be with him by his side.
00:23:57
Speaker 1: Putting out his message. Yes. Yes.
00:24:01
Speaker 2: She can't even get to that point because she can't even get her message straight.
00:24:05
Speaker 1: If she's not doing press briefings, what is she doing? She's a spokesperson.
00:24:10
Speaker 4: Correct.
00:24:12
Speaker 1: She's not doing briefings. There's not one planned.
00:24:14
Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine? That's why I'm wondering.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: Is he going to let her get back up on that podium and address?
00:24:22
Speaker 1: A good point. One's not planned. Will they now not let her get up there until what?
00:24:27
Speaker 4: After the midterms.
00:24:29
Speaker 1: No way we can hold off on hearing from the press secretary.
00:24:33
Speaker 2: Woo, I like your, you have a question that you wanted to ask her and I really like this one. What was your responsibility in making sure you were fully prepared?
00:24:43
Speaker 4: And do you feel like you came up short?
00:24:45
Speaker 2: That would be the perfect follow-up to her trying to say, I didn't get my briefings soon enough. I wasn't, but to your point, she wasn't, she didn't need to be briefed on anything because she didn't discuss any policy.
00:24:58
Speaker 1: She didn't, not a thing. That's just, She keeps telling us she's not ready for primetime. And again, we don't know this woman and are rooting for her. And certainly more so, Robes, I would say being in the middle of this kind of media storm, my heart goes out to her and connect with her in that way even more so. But I want her to be okay. And I want her to wrap this up and we can get back to the business of the country. But Robes, I just thought at this moment, you said about the preparation. September, it was.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: On a Thursday is when I started CNN, 29 years old. 29, my first day at CNN, it was on a Thursday. And I was hired as the weekend morning anchor. And I went in there on a Thursday. I was going to fill in some stuff and fill out some forms and go to this and that. And I said, well, we're going to discuss when I might start. Should I shadow this weekend? What should I do? Robes, they told me and my agents, we hired you to do the job, not to train you to do the job. You're anchoring this weekend. That's how I start. And to that, it always stuck with me. Maybe this is the big time. The White House press secretary. Don't talk to me about you needing to get caught up. You show up and hit the ground running. It's what some presidential candidates say against their opponents. He's not ready to hit the ground running on day one. I am that thing. okay, Katie, this is big time. This is big league.
00:26:25
Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:26:25
Speaker 2: And in the same breath as she didn't do what it would have taken for her to have had a better performance, she talks about how she's wanted this job her whole life. It's almost just like she's just wanted the idea. She liked the idea of the job. She liked what the job represented. She liked what the job would feel like or look like. She did not talk about actually the job and what it takes to actually do it well. it was almost as if she just got hung up on the excitement around it. And that's disturbing that she didn't consider what in it, what was going to be required of her and from her to do it well.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: And again, this is, I know it's a tough job or the toughest in the administration. We get it. And I'll say again, still rooting for this young woman and give her the benefit of the doubt. Um, She's messed up and she needs to just get her footing and she's going to be okay. But I do want her to be. Because this is, once again, this is not a good look.
00:27:27
Speaker 4: No, and this will be so interesting.
00:27:30
Speaker 2: We are going to be listening for and watching for any news headlines that Katie Zachariah is going to be holding her next press briefing. If she thought the first time was filled with a lot of pressure and scrutiny. This next time is going to be even more. So stay tuned, everybody. And with that, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach, alongside TJ Holmes.
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Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon.