Nov. 3, 2025
President Trump’s 90 Minutes with 60 Minutes: “I’ve Been Very Mild-Mannered”, Chuck Schumer is a Kamikaze and Democrats are Vicious.
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RSS Feed We went through the transcript so you don’t have to. CBS News posted the entire, unedited transcript of President Trump’s first interview with “60 Minutes” since that $16 million dollar settlement. Norah O’Donnell deftly navigates some of the awkwardness as she got in everything from China to the Shutdown, to a possible war with Venezuela, immigration, nuclear testing, and political retribution. Oh, and he got in some shots against Biden, Obama, and Schumer.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Monday, November third, and President Trump sat down for ninety minutes with sixty minutes, but you only got to see twenty eight minutes of it on TV. So Robot and I decided to read through the whole damn ninety minute transcript, and boy, there's a lot you missed him with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. What stands you know? I guess a lot jumps out, but nothing necessarily stands out as new or different, and quite frankly that newsworthy. So much of it was stuff we were accustomed to hearing from President Trump.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think if this had been an interview with any other president, you would call it jaw dropping. But because it's President Trump, it's bar for the course to use a golf reference there, because that is he is who he is, unapologetically so, and he is that very person. Throughout this hour and a half interview.
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Speaker 2: He called the Democratic leader in the Senate a Kamakazi.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't even.
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Speaker 3: Badenye a man on a suicide mission. I didn't bad nine neither did.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it.
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Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of stuff in there and calling Democrats the most vicious humans on the planet Earth.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even flinch.
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Speaker 3: Neither did I, because that sounds about right something from him.
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Speaker 2: But was there anything? And again, folks, we read through the entire ninety minute transcript, was there anything that jumped out that you got?
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Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean no, And look, you and I were. You were a little bit ahead of me, but it was your idea to do it. So I was like, all right, let's read through the whole thing. And it was funny. You would laugh or chuckle at something, and then I'd know in about a minute I'd be doing the same thing. And it pretty much happened that way. So yes, it it's not that anything that they were talking about was funny or is funny.
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Speaker 1: But all newsworthy.
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Speaker 3: The way he reacts to things, the way he phrases things, what he says I apologetically, so is something so different than most of us are used to hearing from any other person, forget even politician. So yes, it almost becomes comical because he is playing the role.
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Speaker 2: Of him, and we say that these are newsworthy topics. There was only one light moment that I read the whole thing having to do with the bathroom. We'll get into that in a second. And also the interview asking about DC ner o'donna was the interviewer. We're going to talk about her in a second. But that were only two kind of cute and like moments, if you will. But in ninety minutes, this was not that. So the background will at least give you the background here and a lot of you all know it sixty This is why I was a little awkward just to hear that he was on sixty minutes. That's weird, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a news program that just paid him ten million dollars sixteen sixteen million dollars after he sued them for ten billion dollars. Yes, thank you. I appreciate that correction because it's quite a hefty one sixteen million dollars. Imagine that you sue someone for that amount of money. You get a huge, huge, life changing number for most people.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: And now you're gonna sit down and be interviewed by a.
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Speaker 2: Shout it up, so yees, sixty minutes. If you remember, this was last year. The reason this whole interview became what it even became as an event last night. It was because last year, sixteen minutes extended offered to interview both candidates pre election, Trump and Harris Trump. Trump did not accept, Harris did so. Trump didn't like how CBS edited Kamala Harris his interview, claiming that they edited in such a way to make her look better, so he sued ten billion. Everybody thought this was frivolous, and yes, you go to court, CBS, you're going to win this thing. But they didn't. Paramount, the parent company settled for sixteen million. That roboc just said. And then after that, not too long, Paramount, the owner of CBS, was sold to sun Dance. That went through. People immediately thought that Paramount settled as a way to clear the way for the sale to Skydance.
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Speaker 3: It was almost intermediate, I mean immediate, not intermediate, immediate to the point where you couldn't even pretend the two weren't connected the time.
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Speaker 1: He could have been a coincidence. These things happen.
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Speaker 3: The sale goes through, Yes, the FCC had to approve the sale. Yes, and that approval came within days. I believe of this settlement happening because that was time in between.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're all caught ups. And so that's the backdrop we have where there's big sixty minutes interview with the president being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell, who robes you and I. We saw the clips from it, but reading it, Nora o'dnna deserves credit for not just picking the right topics and the questions, for her demeanor, for how she went about this interview.
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Speaker 1: She deserves so much credit.
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Speaker 3: We've known her for a very long time, worked with her back at NBC News MSNBC so decades back. I always knew she was a solid reporter correspondent. Of course, she was the anchor of CBS Evening News as well for six seven years.
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Speaker 1: Until last yes, till she stepped down at the end of last year.
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Speaker 3: End of last year. So this is someone who is and has a tremendous journalism background and resume, and so yes, I've known, we've known that she's good. But man, she really did a good job. Can you imagine I was thinking about this. It would be a pressure situation. I've never sat down with the sitting president. But knowing all of that work that goes into that, all the prep that goes into that making sure you are well versed on every major topic on this planet, and you have to be willing to call somebody on their bs. You have to be willing to know things enough to follow up correctly, and to hold your own She did all of the above without being combative, without taking it personally, without trying to get him.
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Speaker 2: I think folks should take notes from her interview because the trick roves to your point. A lot of great capable journalists can come up with the right questions. There's a trick to interviewing him that I think most haven't mastered, and she, I think did one of the best jobs I've seen, maybe the best. And that to your point about when he says something and you know it might be a lie, you know you want to challenge him on the facts or whatever else. She stayed on topic. She didn't allow him to take her off topic. She let him ramble for a second at times when he got off what she asked and said, but I really wanted to ask about this, but I want to get back to this, you know what, We're going to talk about that in a second. And she was calm, and she never you made this point. I don't want to turn this into a man woman thing. But if you apply that, we have okay away from man and woman. We talked about this sometimes we've seen interviewers who were it seems so personal.
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Speaker 3: They take it personally. They get personally offended if you challenge them the journalist, or question them the journalist, or get a little dig in, which some politicians like to do, and then journalists take the bait. They get emotional and they fire back, and then they lose all credibility in that moment. Yes, she never did.
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Speaker 1: That, so first of all, first for we have to give her credit.
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Speaker 3: I love you know what I loved one I hate to say tactic, but something she did which I thought was so impressive. Every time he went off topic, which was often and at great length, she would say, mister President, I understand how valuable your time is, and so I want to make sure we get all of this in. She kept reminding him how valuable on how important his time was, and she was so grateful for it, and then would kind of get him refocused and repurpose, knowing, Hey, for us to get through all of this, we're going to have to actually talk about the issue at hand.
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Speaker 2: She was so good at showing respect for the office, even if you think everything out of his mouth is BS. She showed her respect for the office that a lot of people don't think you should show him.
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Speaker 1: She still found a way to balance that.
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Speaker 2: Look, that is so fricking hard to do, and I got to give her it is so much.
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Speaker 1: Credible it is normally.
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Speaker 3: But imagine the added pressure now of knowing that this is now a network that is under sieg so to speak. People are leaving in protest, they're being fired, They're claiming that President Trump owns the network or is absolutely having an impact on the editorial direction it's taking. So imagine all that scrutiny from your own colleagues, from the world watching from the Trump administration. I just thought she did such a good job.
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Speaker 2: Look, and I know folks will listen to look if people are not if people are pro Trump, they're going to criticize anything. For the most part, sometimes not everybody, but online. You know what that's going to turn into. It's just hard to look at this woman in this job she did. Who was the Terry moranuin You remember how that one when he got credit at times, but also the president took him on and challenged him. At time, he did a fairly of not jumping in. But we've seen some stuff recently, including on Sunday morning shows. Come on, y'all, why.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just so obvious they're letting certain politicians get under their skin and then it makes the entire industry look bad.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So for the next few minutes, we're not going to keep you all here too long, but we're going to go through some of the biggest topics in the most relevant exchanges. We're going to talk about the stock market here. First of all, we have the transcript in front of us, and we're actually gonna read the exact back and forth between the two and just let you hear some of this stuff. First, on the stock market, he was asked by Nora o'donald, when the stock market is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody, not everybody invested in the stock market. He jumps in and said it does. Oh, it does, she says, but there have been grocery prices are up. He then jumps in, Look four one k's. People have four a one k's. Their four to one k's are double what they were a year ago. Nor Donald jumps in but for people that don't have for a one k's who are not invested in the stock market, he interrupts, sure, but but she tries to finish her question. They've seen their grocery prices up, inflation is up, and he tells her, no, you're wrong. They went up under Biden. Right now they're going down, other than beef, which we're working on, which we can solve very quickly. So the beef, the ranchers have really been taking a drubbing over the thirty year period because of what I've done, the ranchers have done well. Now this goes back at least this jumped out. The stock market is doing gang buses, it is, and people are in long frickin' lines trying to get food right now.
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Speaker 3: It's a tale of two countries.
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Speaker 2: She was trying to make that point to him, and he's like, Nope, you're wrong. Prices are not going up, which the data tells us otherwise.
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Speaker 3: Correct, And then she went to go move on with his involvement with China and certainly talked about his relationship with President She But she went on to ask him several questions, including about Taiwan, which is a touchy subject.
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Speaker 1: Weok.
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Speaker 2: Taiwan and Venezuela were two issues about the possibility of military action involving those two places. Now nor Oldwana asked about Taiwan first set on this potential flashpoint with China. Probably the potential flash point with China in the coming years is over the issue of Taiwan. The Chinese military is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, it's airspace, it's cyberspace. I know you've said, President, she wouldn't dare movement military on Taiwan while you're in office, But what if he does? Would you order US forces to defend Taiwan? The President answered, you'll find out if it happens, and he understands. The answer to that, he understands, President g what will happen? He and I have spoken about it, but it was never even brought up during his last meeting with President Chu.
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Speaker 3: I was crazy to hear that it didn't come up. Yeah, that was really hard to imagine.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, Then nor o'donald finishers, do you mind if I ask, when you say he understands, why not communicate that publicly to the rest of us? And the President says, I don't want to give away. I can't give away my secrets.
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Speaker 3: And then you mentioned Venezuela. But this was fascinating to me, Nora says, I want to stay on the issue of foreign policy. Let's turn to our hemisphere. There had been at least eight boats in the Caribbean destroyed by the US military, and President Trump says, fortunately, Nora says, and now the USS Gerald Ford, that is the world's largest aircraft carrier is on the way to the Caribbean. Are we going to war against Venezuela? Whoo? President Trump's answer, I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been treating us very badly, not only on drugs. They've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we didn't want. People from prisons. They emptied their prisons into our country. They also, if you take a look, they emptied their mental institutions and they're insane asylums into the United States of America. Because Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of the country. Norah says, but why is our aircraft carrier? Trump says, Just let me finish. She finishes going down there. Trump then says, Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of our country. We had the worst inflation. He goes on to blame Biden for all of our issues, and then he says, and what he did to our country should never be forgotten. He had an open door process and people would come in. And I'm not discriminating against tattoos, but people would come in with tattoos all over their faces. Come on in, Come on in, come on in, he said. So the nor just follows up and just says, Hey, why do we need an aircraft carrier? And he says, it's got to be somewhere. It's a big one.
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Speaker 1: My favorite.
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Speaker 3: That's when I started laughing.
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Speaker 1: It's my favorite answer. You gotta put somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Put it somewhere. Why not near Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: That was a ridiculous and non answer, but it was it was so him, and it was I had no fine, Fine, it's just him. It's how he answers. That is such a colloquial way to converse with somebody. Hey, got it, put somewhere.
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Speaker 3: It's a big one.
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Speaker 1: We talked about war. Yeah, why is that that?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 2: Just need a place to park it. On the point of nuclear weapons, you've been hearing this a lot lately talking about nuclear testing. She asked him, what did you mean when you said you wanted to start nuclear texting testing? The President said, we have more nuclear weapons than any country. Russia's second, China's a very distant third, but they'll be even in five years. He says, we have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world one hundred and fifty times. Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons in China will have a lot. They have some, they have quite a bit. But and then she jumps in, so why do we need to test our nuclear weapons? He responds, because you have to see how they work. She asks for more clarity. Are you saying that after thirty years, the United States is going to start detonating nuclear weapons for testing? He says, I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like other countries do. Yes, Nora, but the only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia are not. The President says, well, Russia, No, No, Russia's testing nuclear weapons. Nora tries to explain, is my understanding that they're only testing the weapons systems systems, not actual nuclear warhead. The President says, Russia's testing and China's testing, but they don't talk about it. You know, we're an open society, we're different. We talk about it. We have to talk about it because otherwise you people.
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Speaker 3: That's when I laughed.
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Speaker 2: We have to talk about it because you people who have been kicked out of the Pentagon for reporting recently. He says, they don't have reporters that are gonna be writing about it.
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Speaker 1: We do.
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Speaker 2: No, we're gonna test because they test and other tests, and certainly North Korea has been testing, Pakistan's been testing. Doesn't it sort of make sense? You know, you make nuclear weapons, then you don't test.
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Speaker 1: How are you gonna do that?
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Speaker 2: How are you gonna know if they work? We have to do that. Yu All was not taking any liberties. He said exact a verbatim what he said.
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Speaker 3: It almost sounded like he was jealous of North Korea and China because they don't in Russia, because they don't have those pesky reporters that write about things.
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Speaker 1: Well, depending on doesn't either, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, there are still ways, but yes, it was almost if he was, ah, they don't have to deal with you people like I do. So I was one of those ones. As soon as I read it. I started laughing, and then I knew exactly why you would laughed five minutes earlier, just.
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Speaker 2: How he said it. We get what he was saying, but the way he goes about it is sometimes yes.
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Speaker 3: And he mentioned at least multiple times he weaved this in from the beginning, the middle, and the end. I believe about how he ended wars before the ninth This is what made me laugh. He actually said that this is verbatim. Before the ninth month, I stopped eight wars. I feel like that was a line out of the Bible, and on the seventh day God created whatever I mean, it was just before the ninth month. I stopped eight wars. The only one I haven't been successful yet in and that'll happen is Russia Ukraine, which I thought actually would be the easiest one because I have a very good relationship with President Putin. But we are respected again as a country, and that's the way I've been able to stop the wars. I've stopped them because of trade. He flat out multiple times said the tariffs are his currency. Basically, oh Ya.
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Speaker 2: Tariffs came up quite a bit they did during this and we will tell you what he said on tariffs what he said about President Obama, and what he said about President Obama he said wouldn't necessarily be politically correct. Also the stupid war he talked about, and why he thinks Chuck Schumer should be compared to a coma Kazi pilot. Stay here, continuing now with the ninety minutes that President Trump gave sixty minutes so that you could see twenty eight minutes on television. Going through a lot of the transcript, roback and I read the whole thing this morning, and he talked about President Biden quite a bit. You said to me at one point while we were reading the transcript, Man, he really doesn't like what'd you say?
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Speaker 3: I said, I think he dislikes Biden way more than he dislikes Obama. It was like obvious. I was surprised at how much more he dislikes Biden than Obama.
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Speaker 2: And he made a reference to Biden's stupid war, saying that was Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that stupid war. He's talking about Ukraine in Russia. He said that should not have been a war. That would have never happened if I were president, By the way, for four years, it didn't happen that was never even in doubt. Then the election was rigged and stolen and all of a sudd and you see them forming up at the line. And now I come back and I'm going to get that one solved too. But I brought I mean that.
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Speaker 3: Just a little list.
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Speaker 1: Look at this wars? How many did I solve?
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Speaker 3: He's actually says I brought a little list. And then he went off and he rattled off all the wars that he has ended.
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Speaker 1: I will, well, why not give credit?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, where credit as due exactly. One of the other lighter moments was when he was talking about and he was talking crap about Biden again, but he was talking about how DC now is a safe place as it should be. He said before when he got here, it was like a crime capital of the world. It's the capital of this country. To meet it's the capital of the world. And he said, I go to Japan, I go to South Korea, I go to China, any place I go, and you know what I call that respect for our country. They didn't treat Biden that way when Biden went there. First of all, he hardly went anywhere a guy couldn't leave his bedroom. But they didn't treat Biden that way. They had no respect for Biden falling up the stairs going to an airplane three times. I mean, this is a man who should have never been president. This was a rigged election. You can see where he is so impassioned and upset still about the twenty twenty election and something else, any any mention of political retribution, because he feels and got really heated talking about his home being rated in mar Alago, and you could just hes it's so personal to him.
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Speaker 2: It you see it when he talked. There are sometimes we watch him all the time on television. There's some days we see, man, he looks tired today, his energy is down. Man, he's really rambling. Then there are times he really says energy is good. Anytime he talks about Biden, he seems to have a little more pep inist step.
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Speaker 1: He seems to get a bolt of energy.
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Speaker 3: Yes when he does, and he found a way to bring it around almost every time. But certainly when I mentioned the lighter moment when he was talking about d C, he kept trying to ask Nora, who lives in d C, if she felt safer, and she kept trying to evade the question saying, I'm really busy. He's like, you've noticed a difference though, right. She's like, oh, I mean I just go to work and go back home. And and he was. He really pushed what she held her own. I had to give her credit.
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Speaker 2: You know, I wish she had a better answer because it was a non answer. You know what, I don't even notice what was going on in the.
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Speaker 1: Streets because I'm so busy with work. I didn't notice the tank. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the right. That's tough because you're not supposed to give your opinion? Are you certainly not supposed to?
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Speaker 2: Are you allowed though in that moment, this is a different kind of guy. Are you allowed to? Rather than I love the truth be told, I I like to see the milk.
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Speaker 3: She would she would have she would have become a headline that it would have. I don't She didn't have a winning way out of that.
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Speaker 2: You know what, but she found one. I'm not dogging her for the answer or for a non answer.
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Speaker 3: Correct.
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Speaker 1: That means she did a good job.
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Speaker 3: And he and he let it go. He was like, all right, I want to I won't keep embarrassing you, but I know you know, he was just kind of like, of course.
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Speaker 2: It's safer to stick with what was this is? Just throw this in there. It was a lighter moment that was necessary. But he was talking about the the Iran mission bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran, and.
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Speaker 3: How is that the lighter moment? But I know where you're going with yes, yes.
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Speaker 2: Stay with me, folks, thank you, because a lot of people are listening going wait what I was that funny? But it was lighter in that she was making a reference to uh or he was and how long they flew and he was just amazed that they had to stay in the air as long as they did. They flew for thirty seven hours. And then he made a reference to he was on his plane for forty two hours over the last three days, and he said he could relate to it. And he said, I flew for forty two hours over the last three days, so I know how they feel. She jumps in and says, except there's a bathroom on Air Force one. You know, that was the only moment I saw her take of levity of lightning things up because she stayed on her notes the whole time.
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Speaker 3: She threw that isn't there she did, and he and he laughed about it. He said, but they were sitting in one seat. I was able to walk around a little bit. But yeah, they said, forty two hours. I've been in the air for forty two hours over a few days, and that was fine because we took in trillions of dollars into our country. He always knows how to I have to say, land his plane. But he always knows how to turn something, even if it starts out negati or funny, into something where he can teut, Hey, here's what I did, and by the way, here's what I accomplished.
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Speaker 1: I look, it's a talent, it's a skill.
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Speaker 2: He's got it. If you're on the other side of the aisle, you hate it. But if he's your guy, you're like, hell, yeah, put I'm out there now. He's talking about Obama. Is it politically incorrect to say what he said?
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Speaker 1: It wasn't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he gave his opinion, but I'm surprised when he talks so badly about Obama. Sometimes because of the funeral, because of the Jimmy Carter funeral, they.
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Speaker 3: Looked like they were lucking it up. They were having it looked like the time of their lives sitting there waiting for the funeral procession to begin.
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Speaker 2: But he looked like he genuinely enjoyed Obama's company. He genuinely appreciated being with him. Oh maybe this is just politics.
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Speaker 3: And how okay, fine, But he said to Nora, Obama was a terrible president. Nobody wants to talk about it because they want to be politically correct. I don't care. He was a terrible president. Our country was. It really started a very bad downward spiral. Then I stopped it. Then we had a rigged election, and then what what Biden did to our country should never ever be forgotten. That was pretty dramatic, it was.
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Speaker 2: But of course the shutdown had to come up. She asked him about the longest shutdown in American history. He immediately jumped in democrats, Paul, that was his read. Immediately that was his response. And asked what you are doing, sir, to end the shutdown. He didn't have an answer necessarily, He only kept going on about Democrats keep voting down this extension. He said he had to admit he has no plans. She said, so you're saying your plans to tell the Democrats to vote to end the shutdown? Correct, very simple was His response? Was the end of it roll? If you say some of his best stuff for Chuck Schumer, I was, he.
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Speaker 3: Really did so on Schumer, I'm not going to do it by being extorted by the Democrats who've lost their way. There is something wrong with these people. Nora says, So, then, what happens on November fifteenth? Trump, Schumer is a basket case, he interrupts. Noora's trying to say, what happens on November fifteenth when the troops don't get a paycheck? Trump continues, Schumer is a basket case. He's going to be defeated in the next election by a vast number of people, and he has nothing to lose. He's become I just left Japan. He's become a Kama Kazi pilot. This guy, Norris says, it sounds like this is not going to get solved. Trump says, this guy is a Kama Kazi. He would rather see the country fail than have Trump and the Republicans do well. But the people don't want that.
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Speaker 2: To your point, right, she asked him, what happens when the troops don't get paid? Chuck Schumer is a nutcase.
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Speaker 1: What she was great.
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Speaker 3: She just kept following up, and she just kept re asking the question until he finally answered, yeah.
00:25:05
Speaker 2: Some of these she was running out of time. She had to eventually let some of these go. He did go on to say this as well, and what's going on with the shutdown called the democrats vicious quote, the Democrats are vicious. They're vicious. They have horrible policy, but they are the most vicious human beings on the earth. They are people that weaponize government. They do a lot of bad things.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's tough. I'm actually thinking about that as a journalist and sitting across from the President of the United States and him saying something that incendiary, you know, it is tough to know how you what your next follow up is to something that egregious. I mean, before Trump, can you imagine like, yes, of course partisan politics come into play, and there is there are certain types of words used, but to say things like that is yes, it's par for the course, but it's still remarkable.
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Speaker 2: I would love to have a non policy interview, but a personal one because on that one you would want to follow. She can't go down that rabbit hole with him, like mister President, you call these people, yeah, like these are human beings, These are fellow politicians on the other side, you talk about them.
00:26:14
Speaker 1: As if they are the sum Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Fine, how can we do that? The most vicious human beings on earth? That's that's beyond hyperbole. That is like, God, that's a tough one. Uh, what do you wanna go to next to the tariffs of the immigration?
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Speaker 3: Let's well, we can go to tariffs. The immigration is a lot. But she asks if your economic plan, what happens to it if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs. Trump says, I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. I think our economy will go to hell because of tariffs. We have the highest stock market we've ever had because of tariffs. Four oh one k's are at the highest level. And this is millions and millions of people that that we've ever had. Four oh one CA's okay, she says, all right, we'll finish that sentence. You said. If they take away my power to do tariffs, what Trump says, it would be a very sad day for the United States of America. We're making a lot of money, We're respected again all over the world. We have great national security.
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Speaker 2: And she tried and tried on immigration because he'd made a reference to him several times. She kept saying, Hey, we'll get to immigration later. They finally get to it, and she says to him, you campaign on immigration. His response, did a great job, don't you think, which is fantastic. She asked him, though, and you've seen this clip they've used in teases and this was certainly a part of the television interview. Have some of these ice raids gone too far? His response, No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and Obama and Obama. She follows up, you're okay with these tactics. He says, yeah, because you have to get the people out. Look, that was jarring the people who's seen some of the scenes on television to think they're going too far. And the President said, I want him to go farther.
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Speaker 3: That's concerning. He said he's been mild, right, He said, I've been mild. That was how he described how he has handled all of this. And she talked about how in his campaigning he talked about getting rid of the worst of the worst, the most violent of the criminals. And Trump says, that's what we're doing. But Nora said, no, but a lot of people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers. Trump says, oh, no, no, no, no landscapers who are criminals. Nora added farm workers, and then Trump says, now, look, look, and then Nora added the family of US service members, and then Trump says this, I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody.
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Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm not saying ever, I don't know if I've seen it. I don't think I've seen an interviewer walk out of an interview with anybody, much less a president. But if she'd walked out at that moment, I would have said, Okay, I get it.
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Speaker 1: That was wild.
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Speaker 3: I actually, you know, it's one of those moments where sometimes I think the only time I felt like this when I had an interview was where I actually had to be so aware of my facial reaction to what they were saying. And that is when I interviewed then Illinois Governor Rob Legoyevitch just days before he was criminally charged. But when when you are interviewing somebody who says outlandish things that they believe it truly is difficult to maintain decorum and not show a reaction on your face. She did a great job.
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Speaker 2: It's just the fun we get it to put to say it out, I need landscapers more than anybody.
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Speaker 3: He owned some golf courses. He does.
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Speaker 2: And it's a true statement. It just it comes off a certain way and I don't mind it. That's Trump. Let's get to these last political restribution in Pam Bondy Dan.
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Speaker 3: There's Mommy, and there's mom Donnie too.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do mom Donni first. We have the election here in New York tomorrow. New York City mayor asking about uh Zoran mum Donnie, who was leading right now in the race, President Drum said, called him communist, not socialist. Communists. He's far worse than a socialist. He's far worse than a socialist. Or asks, some people have compared him to a left wing version of you, charismatic breaking the old rules. What do you think about that? Trump's response, Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: He was looking for her to confirm, which I thought was weird. She then ask what if mom Donnie becomes mayor, said the president, I think he's probably gonna make Doblasio look great. I think he'll make de Blasio look like one of the great mayors. De Blasio was the worst mayor we've ever had. Now I say that, you know, but I was sort of leaving during that period of time. I got to see the Blasio how bad of a mayor he was, and this man will.
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Speaker 1: Be worse than the Plaza.
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Speaker 2: He goes down at the end here and says about Cuomo, if it's gonna be between a bad Democrat and a communist, I'm gonna pick the bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 3: All right. So that was a lukewarm endorsement of Cuomo. And then this is where he really did get fiery about the political retribution. Nora asks him about James Comy, John Bolton, Letitia James all recently indicted. There's a pattern to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. Is this political retribution? She had to ask that same question multiple times. He means, do you think it's bad that I went after a public figure. Is it political retribution? He says, you know what, you know, who got indicted? The man you're looking at. I got indicted and I was innocent. And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown out at me. I got indicted. They indicted the president of the United States. So you can just see how upset he is. You know, they impeached me twice, and I got out of it quickly and easily. They impeach me twice. These people are scum. And yet when you go after a dirty cop like Komy or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has I don't know anything about it? I hear he took records all over the place. Who knows. Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion, terrible. I just won the case against her. She wanted me to pay five hundred million for something I didn't do anything wrong on and the judge just overturned the decision. And then so then Nora has to erupt again after he still keeps talking about how disalms they are. She said, I am asking is it political retribution? So this is the third time she asked, and he responds with, Comy's a dirty cop. Komy's known as a dirty cop. I'm not known as a dirty person. They indicted me many times, they were after me. I'm looking at you now, I'm president of the United States. I went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell me that I went after people. These people are dishonest. I mean, you can just He was very upset.
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Speaker 2: It was a longer answer. He went on for quite a bit, and she gave him some rope to do this, but he kept on going down this road. But her question, the natural one, was did you instruct the Justice Department to go after your political enemies? He all of a sudden didn't hear what she said, do I what did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: He falls No, not in any way, shape or form. No, you don't have to instruct them because they were so dirty they have they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have Pamboni's doing a very good job.
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Speaker 1: Cash Betel's doing a good job. Wednesday, come into my house. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Then he goes back into how Yeah, they went through Malania's things. He went off on on what was the thing picking up her dresses. He was upset that they went through her dresses and like threw them on the ground. That he went into a very long diatribe about how Mlanie is very meticulous and keeps all of her things very nice and neat, and they came in there and they went through all her dresses. He's he's still very upset about all of this.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So the last thing on this was she tried to follow up at the NSA. Is this rettribution on your part?
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Speaker 3: Fourth time?
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Speaker 2: His response, finally, no, it's the opposite. I think I've been very mild mannered. You're looking at a man who was indicted many times and I had to beat the rap otherwise I couldn't have run for president. They tried to get me to not run for president by going after me and by indicting me. That I underlined, and that was the first thing I looked up, and it got a little I think I've been very mild mannered. Comy Bolton, Laticia James all In federally indicted and he's been.
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Speaker 3: Mild meaning there's more where that came from. That was my takeaway, don't cross me third term.
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Speaker 1: He lets this go finally, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think he finally has made it clear that he will not be running for a third term. But he did point out that they have a very strong bench Republicans and so he felt like it was going to be good. He didn't want to use any names, but he said, we got three and a quarter years, so he's still we got a lot to do.
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Speaker 2: Look, this was interesting, it was fascinating, and I'm glad it's cool to read it instead of seeing it sometimes. But we went through the whole ninety minutes. I just wanted to throw a few things in there that maybe you didn't see. We'll keep an eye on all things Trump and CBS related. Cannot believe the president was on sixty minutes. Just the idea of that is kind of wild right now.
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Speaker 3: And reading the transcript was well, it delivered. It was a ride, all right.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, we alway appreciate you spending some time with us. We're going to give our eyes a break. We were staring at this computer screen for the transcript a long time, struggling for a minute. But folks, who always appreciate you listening on TJ. Holmes, behalf of Amy Robock. We will talk to y'all real soon
Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Monday, November third, and President Trump sat down for ninety minutes with sixty minutes, but you only got to see twenty eight minutes of it on TV. So Robot and I decided to read through the whole damn ninety minute transcript, and boy, there's a lot you missed him with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. What stands you know? I guess a lot jumps out, but nothing necessarily stands out as new or different, and quite frankly that newsworthy. So much of it was stuff we were accustomed to hearing from President Trump.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think if this had been an interview with any other president, you would call it jaw dropping. But because it's President Trump, it's bar for the course to use a golf reference there, because that is he is who he is, unapologetically so, and he is that very person. Throughout this hour and a half interview.
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Speaker 2: He called the Democratic leader in the Senate a Kamakazi.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't even.
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Speaker 3: Badenye a man on a suicide mission. I didn't bad nine neither did.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything of it.
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Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of stuff in there and calling Democrats the most vicious humans on the planet Earth.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even flinch.
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Speaker 3: Neither did I, because that sounds about right something from him.
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Speaker 2: But was there anything? And again, folks, we read through the entire ninety minute transcript, was there anything that jumped out that you got?
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Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean no, And look, you and I were. You were a little bit ahead of me, but it was your idea to do it. So I was like, all right, let's read through the whole thing. And it was funny. You would laugh or chuckle at something, and then I'd know in about a minute I'd be doing the same thing. And it pretty much happened that way. So yes, it it's not that anything that they were talking about was funny or is funny.
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Speaker 1: But all newsworthy.
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Speaker 3: The way he reacts to things, the way he phrases things, what he says I apologetically, so is something so different than most of us are used to hearing from any other person, forget even politician. So yes, it almost becomes comical because he is playing the role.
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Speaker 2: Of him, and we say that these are newsworthy topics. There was only one light moment that I read the whole thing having to do with the bathroom. We'll get into that in a second. And also the interview asking about DC ner o'donna was the interviewer. We're going to talk about her in a second. But that were only two kind of cute and like moments, if you will. But in ninety minutes, this was not that. So the background will at least give you the background here and a lot of you all know it sixty This is why I was a little awkward just to hear that he was on sixty minutes. That's weird, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a news program that just paid him ten million dollars sixteen sixteen million dollars after he sued them for ten billion dollars. Yes, thank you. I appreciate that correction because it's quite a hefty one sixteen million dollars. Imagine that you sue someone for that amount of money. You get a huge, huge, life changing number for most people.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: And now you're gonna sit down and be interviewed by a.
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Speaker 2: Shout it up, so yees, sixty minutes. If you remember, this was last year. The reason this whole interview became what it even became as an event last night. It was because last year, sixteen minutes extended offered to interview both candidates pre election, Trump and Harris Trump. Trump did not accept, Harris did so. Trump didn't like how CBS edited Kamala Harris his interview, claiming that they edited in such a way to make her look better, so he sued ten billion. Everybody thought this was frivolous, and yes, you go to court, CBS, you're going to win this thing. But they didn't. Paramount, the parent company settled for sixteen million. That roboc just said. And then after that, not too long, Paramount, the owner of CBS, was sold to sun Dance. That went through. People immediately thought that Paramount settled as a way to clear the way for the sale to Skydance.
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Speaker 3: It was almost intermediate, I mean immediate, not intermediate, immediate to the point where you couldn't even pretend the two weren't connected the time.
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Speaker 1: He could have been a coincidence. These things happen.
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Speaker 3: The sale goes through, Yes, the FCC had to approve the sale. Yes, and that approval came within days. I believe of this settlement happening because that was time in between.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're all caught ups. And so that's the backdrop we have where there's big sixty minutes interview with the president being interviewed by Nora O'Donnell, who robes you and I. We saw the clips from it, but reading it, Nora o'dnna deserves credit for not just picking the right topics and the questions, for her demeanor, for how she went about this interview.
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Speaker 1: She deserves so much credit.
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Speaker 3: We've known her for a very long time, worked with her back at NBC News MSNBC so decades back. I always knew she was a solid reporter correspondent. Of course, she was the anchor of CBS Evening News as well for six seven years.
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Speaker 1: Until last yes, till she stepped down at the end of last year.
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Speaker 3: End of last year. So this is someone who is and has a tremendous journalism background and resume, and so yes, I've known, we've known that she's good. But man, she really did a good job. Can you imagine I was thinking about this. It would be a pressure situation. I've never sat down with the sitting president. But knowing all of that work that goes into that, all the prep that goes into that making sure you are well versed on every major topic on this planet, and you have to be willing to call somebody on their bs. You have to be willing to know things enough to follow up correctly, and to hold your own She did all of the above without being combative, without taking it personally, without trying to get him.
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Speaker 2: I think folks should take notes from her interview because the trick roves to your point. A lot of great capable journalists can come up with the right questions. There's a trick to interviewing him that I think most haven't mastered, and she, I think did one of the best jobs I've seen, maybe the best. And that to your point about when he says something and you know it might be a lie, you know you want to challenge him on the facts or whatever else. She stayed on topic. She didn't allow him to take her off topic. She let him ramble for a second at times when he got off what she asked and said, but I really wanted to ask about this, but I want to get back to this, you know what, We're going to talk about that in a second. And she was calm, and she never you made this point. I don't want to turn this into a man woman thing. But if you apply that, we have okay away from man and woman. We talked about this sometimes we've seen interviewers who were it seems so personal.
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Speaker 3: They take it personally. They get personally offended if you challenge them the journalist, or question them the journalist, or get a little dig in, which some politicians like to do, and then journalists take the bait. They get emotional and they fire back, and then they lose all credibility in that moment. Yes, she never did.
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Speaker 1: That, so first of all, first for we have to give her credit.
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Speaker 3: I love you know what I loved one I hate to say tactic, but something she did which I thought was so impressive. Every time he went off topic, which was often and at great length, she would say, mister President, I understand how valuable your time is, and so I want to make sure we get all of this in. She kept reminding him how valuable on how important his time was, and she was so grateful for it, and then would kind of get him refocused and repurpose, knowing, Hey, for us to get through all of this, we're going to have to actually talk about the issue at hand.
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Speaker 2: She was so good at showing respect for the office, even if you think everything out of his mouth is BS. She showed her respect for the office that a lot of people don't think you should show him.
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Speaker 1: She still found a way to balance that.
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Speaker 2: Look, that is so fricking hard to do, and I got to give her it is so much.
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Speaker 1: Credible it is normally.
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Speaker 3: But imagine the added pressure now of knowing that this is now a network that is under sieg so to speak. People are leaving in protest, they're being fired, They're claiming that President Trump owns the network or is absolutely having an impact on the editorial direction it's taking. So imagine all that scrutiny from your own colleagues, from the world watching from the Trump administration. I just thought she did such a good job.
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Speaker 2: Look, and I know folks will listen to look if people are not if people are pro Trump, they're going to criticize anything. For the most part, sometimes not everybody, but online. You know what that's going to turn into. It's just hard to look at this woman in this job she did. Who was the Terry moranuin You remember how that one when he got credit at times, but also the president took him on and challenged him. At time, he did a fairly of not jumping in. But we've seen some stuff recently, including on Sunday morning shows. Come on, y'all, why.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just so obvious they're letting certain politicians get under their skin and then it makes the entire industry look bad.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So for the next few minutes, we're not going to keep you all here too long, but we're going to go through some of the biggest topics in the most relevant exchanges. We're going to talk about the stock market here. First of all, we have the transcript in front of us, and we're actually gonna read the exact back and forth between the two and just let you hear some of this stuff. First, on the stock market, he was asked by Nora o'donald, when the stock market is doing well, that doesn't affect everybody, not everybody invested in the stock market. He jumps in and said it does. Oh, it does, she says, but there have been grocery prices are up. He then jumps in, Look four one k's. People have four a one k's. Their four to one k's are double what they were a year ago. Nor Donald jumps in but for people that don't have for a one k's who are not invested in the stock market, he interrupts, sure, but but she tries to finish her question. They've seen their grocery prices up, inflation is up, and he tells her, no, you're wrong. They went up under Biden. Right now they're going down, other than beef, which we're working on, which we can solve very quickly. So the beef, the ranchers have really been taking a drubbing over the thirty year period because of what I've done, the ranchers have done well. Now this goes back at least this jumped out. The stock market is doing gang buses, it is, and people are in long frickin' lines trying to get food right now.
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Speaker 3: It's a tale of two countries.
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Speaker 2: She was trying to make that point to him, and he's like, Nope, you're wrong. Prices are not going up, which the data tells us otherwise.
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Speaker 3: Correct, And then she went to go move on with his involvement with China and certainly talked about his relationship with President She But she went on to ask him several questions, including about Taiwan, which is a touchy subject.
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Speaker 1: Weok.
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Speaker 2: Taiwan and Venezuela were two issues about the possibility of military action involving those two places. Now nor Oldwana asked about Taiwan first set on this potential flashpoint with China. Probably the potential flash point with China in the coming years is over the issue of Taiwan. The Chinese military is encroaching on Taiwan's sea lanes, it's airspace, it's cyberspace. I know you've said, President, she wouldn't dare movement military on Taiwan while you're in office, But what if he does? Would you order US forces to defend Taiwan? The President answered, you'll find out if it happens, and he understands. The answer to that, he understands, President g what will happen? He and I have spoken about it, but it was never even brought up during his last meeting with President Chu.
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Speaker 3: I was crazy to hear that it didn't come up. Yeah, that was really hard to imagine.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, Then nor o'donald finishers, do you mind if I ask, when you say he understands, why not communicate that publicly to the rest of us? And the President says, I don't want to give away. I can't give away my secrets.
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Speaker 3: And then you mentioned Venezuela. But this was fascinating to me, Nora says, I want to stay on the issue of foreign policy. Let's turn to our hemisphere. There had been at least eight boats in the Caribbean destroyed by the US military, and President Trump says, fortunately, Nora says, and now the USS Gerald Ford, that is the world's largest aircraft carrier is on the way to the Caribbean. Are we going to war against Venezuela? Whoo? President Trump's answer, I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been treating us very badly, not only on drugs. They've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country that we didn't want. People from prisons. They emptied their prisons into our country. They also, if you take a look, they emptied their mental institutions and they're insane asylums into the United States of America. Because Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of the country. Norah says, but why is our aircraft carrier? Trump says, Just let me finish. She finishes going down there. Trump then says, Joe Biden was the worst president in the history of our country. We had the worst inflation. He goes on to blame Biden for all of our issues, and then he says, and what he did to our country should never be forgotten. He had an open door process and people would come in. And I'm not discriminating against tattoos, but people would come in with tattoos all over their faces. Come on in, Come on in, come on in, he said. So the nor just follows up and just says, Hey, why do we need an aircraft carrier? And he says, it's got to be somewhere. It's a big one.
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Speaker 1: My favorite.
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Speaker 3: That's when I started laughing.
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Speaker 1: It's my favorite answer. You gotta put somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Put it somewhere. Why not near Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: That was a ridiculous and non answer, but it was it was so him, and it was I had no fine, Fine, it's just him. It's how he answers. That is such a colloquial way to converse with somebody. Hey, got it, put somewhere.
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Speaker 3: It's a big one.
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Speaker 1: We talked about war. Yeah, why is that that?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 2: Just need a place to park it. On the point of nuclear weapons, you've been hearing this a lot lately talking about nuclear testing. She asked him, what did you mean when you said you wanted to start nuclear texting testing? The President said, we have more nuclear weapons than any country. Russia's second, China's a very distant third, but they'll be even in five years. He says, we have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world one hundred and fifty times. Russia has a lot of nuclear weapons in China will have a lot. They have some, they have quite a bit. But and then she jumps in, so why do we need to test our nuclear weapons? He responds, because you have to see how they work. She asks for more clarity. Are you saying that after thirty years, the United States is going to start detonating nuclear weapons for testing? He says, I'm saying that we're going to test nuclear weapons like other countries do. Yes, Nora, but the only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia are not. The President says, well, Russia, No, No, Russia's testing nuclear weapons. Nora tries to explain, is my understanding that they're only testing the weapons systems systems, not actual nuclear warhead. The President says, Russia's testing and China's testing, but they don't talk about it. You know, we're an open society, we're different. We talk about it. We have to talk about it because otherwise you people.
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Speaker 3: That's when I laughed.
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Speaker 2: We have to talk about it because you people who have been kicked out of the Pentagon for reporting recently. He says, they don't have reporters that are gonna be writing about it.
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Speaker 1: We do.
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Speaker 2: No, we're gonna test because they test and other tests, and certainly North Korea has been testing, Pakistan's been testing. Doesn't it sort of make sense? You know, you make nuclear weapons, then you don't test.
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Speaker 1: How are you gonna do that?
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Speaker 2: How are you gonna know if they work? We have to do that. Yu All was not taking any liberties. He said exact a verbatim what he said.
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Speaker 3: It almost sounded like he was jealous of North Korea and China because they don't in Russia, because they don't have those pesky reporters that write about things.
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Speaker 1: Well, depending on doesn't either, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, there are still ways, but yes, it was almost if he was, ah, they don't have to deal with you people like I do. So I was one of those ones. As soon as I read it. I started laughing, and then I knew exactly why you would laughed five minutes earlier, just.
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Speaker 2: How he said it. We get what he was saying, but the way he goes about it is sometimes yes.
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Speaker 3: And he mentioned at least multiple times he weaved this in from the beginning, the middle, and the end. I believe about how he ended wars before the ninth This is what made me laugh. He actually said that this is verbatim. Before the ninth month, I stopped eight wars. I feel like that was a line out of the Bible, and on the seventh day God created whatever I mean, it was just before the ninth month. I stopped eight wars. The only one I haven't been successful yet in and that'll happen is Russia Ukraine, which I thought actually would be the easiest one because I have a very good relationship with President Putin. But we are respected again as a country, and that's the way I've been able to stop the wars. I've stopped them because of trade. He flat out multiple times said the tariffs are his currency. Basically, oh Ya.
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Speaker 2: Tariffs came up quite a bit they did during this and we will tell you what he said on tariffs what he said about President Obama, and what he said about President Obama he said wouldn't necessarily be politically correct. Also the stupid war he talked about, and why he thinks Chuck Schumer should be compared to a coma Kazi pilot. Stay here, continuing now with the ninety minutes that President Trump gave sixty minutes so that you could see twenty eight minutes on television. Going through a lot of the transcript, roback and I read the whole thing this morning, and he talked about President Biden quite a bit. You said to me at one point while we were reading the transcript, Man, he really doesn't like what'd you say?
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Speaker 3: I said, I think he dislikes Biden way more than he dislikes Obama. It was like obvious. I was surprised at how much more he dislikes Biden than Obama.
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Speaker 2: And he made a reference to Biden's stupid war, saying that was Biden's war, not my war. I inherited that stupid war. He's talking about Ukraine in Russia. He said that should not have been a war. That would have never happened if I were president, By the way, for four years, it didn't happen that was never even in doubt. Then the election was rigged and stolen and all of a sudd and you see them forming up at the line. And now I come back and I'm going to get that one solved too. But I brought I mean that.
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Speaker 3: Just a little list.
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Speaker 1: Look at this wars? How many did I solve?
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Speaker 3: He's actually says I brought a little list. And then he went off and he rattled off all the wars that he has ended.
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Speaker 1: I will, well, why not give credit?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, where credit as due exactly. One of the other lighter moments was when he was talking about and he was talking crap about Biden again, but he was talking about how DC now is a safe place as it should be. He said before when he got here, it was like a crime capital of the world. It's the capital of this country. To meet it's the capital of the world. And he said, I go to Japan, I go to South Korea, I go to China, any place I go, and you know what I call that respect for our country. They didn't treat Biden that way when Biden went there. First of all, he hardly went anywhere a guy couldn't leave his bedroom. But they didn't treat Biden that way. They had no respect for Biden falling up the stairs going to an airplane three times. I mean, this is a man who should have never been president. This was a rigged election. You can see where he is so impassioned and upset still about the twenty twenty election and something else, any any mention of political retribution, because he feels and got really heated talking about his home being rated in mar Alago, and you could just hes it's so personal to him.
00:19:26
Speaker 2: It you see it when he talked. There are sometimes we watch him all the time on television. There's some days we see, man, he looks tired today, his energy is down. Man, he's really rambling. Then there are times he really says energy is good. Anytime he talks about Biden, he seems to have a little more pep inist step.
00:19:42
Speaker 1: He seems to get a bolt of energy.
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Speaker 3: Yes when he does, and he found a way to bring it around almost every time. But certainly when I mentioned the lighter moment when he was talking about d C, he kept trying to ask Nora, who lives in d C, if she felt safer, and she kept trying to evade the question saying, I'm really busy. He's like, you've noticed a difference though, right. She's like, oh, I mean I just go to work and go back home. And and he was. He really pushed what she held her own. I had to give her credit.
00:20:08
Speaker 2: You know, I wish she had a better answer because it was a non answer. You know what, I don't even notice what was going on in the.
00:20:13
Speaker 1: Streets because I'm so busy with work. I didn't notice the tank. I don't know.
00:20:21
Speaker 3: I don't know what the right. That's tough because you're not supposed to give your opinion? Are you certainly not supposed to?
00:20:26
Speaker 2: Are you allowed though in that moment, this is a different kind of guy. Are you allowed to? Rather than I love the truth be told, I I like to see the milk.
00:20:35
Speaker 3: She would she would have she would have become a headline that it would have. I don't She didn't have a winning way out of that.
00:20:43
Speaker 2: You know what, but she found one. I'm not dogging her for the answer or for a non answer.
00:20:47
Speaker 3: Correct.
00:20:48
Speaker 1: That means she did a good job.
00:20:50
Speaker 3: And he and he let it go. He was like, all right, I want to I won't keep embarrassing you, but I know you know, he was just kind of like, of course.
00:20:55
Speaker 2: It's safer to stick with what was this is? Just throw this in there. It was a lighter moment that was necessary. But he was talking about the the Iran mission bombing the nuclear facilities in Iran, and.
00:21:09
Speaker 3: How is that the lighter moment? But I know where you're going with yes, yes.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: Stay with me, folks, thank you, because a lot of people are listening going wait what I was that funny? But it was lighter in that she was making a reference to uh or he was and how long they flew and he was just amazed that they had to stay in the air as long as they did. They flew for thirty seven hours. And then he made a reference to he was on his plane for forty two hours over the last three days, and he said he could relate to it. And he said, I flew for forty two hours over the last three days, so I know how they feel. She jumps in and says, except there's a bathroom on Air Force one. You know, that was the only moment I saw her take of levity of lightning things up because she stayed on her notes the whole time.
00:21:56
Speaker 3: She threw that isn't there she did, and he and he laughed about it. He said, but they were sitting in one seat. I was able to walk around a little bit. But yeah, they said, forty two hours. I've been in the air for forty two hours over a few days, and that was fine because we took in trillions of dollars into our country. He always knows how to I have to say, land his plane. But he always knows how to turn something, even if it starts out negati or funny, into something where he can teut, Hey, here's what I did, and by the way, here's what I accomplished.
00:22:23
Speaker 1: I look, it's a talent, it's a skill.
00:22:26
Speaker 2: He's got it. If you're on the other side of the aisle, you hate it. But if he's your guy, you're like, hell, yeah, put I'm out there now. He's talking about Obama. Is it politically incorrect to say what he said?
00:22:37
Speaker 1: It wasn't.
00:22:37
Speaker 2: I mean, he gave his opinion, but I'm surprised when he talks so badly about Obama. Sometimes because of the funeral, because of the Jimmy Carter funeral, they.
00:22:45
Speaker 3: Looked like they were lucking it up. They were having it looked like the time of their lives sitting there waiting for the funeral procession to begin.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: But he looked like he genuinely enjoyed Obama's company. He genuinely appreciated being with him. Oh maybe this is just politics.
00:23:01
Speaker 3: And how okay, fine, But he said to Nora, Obama was a terrible president. Nobody wants to talk about it because they want to be politically correct. I don't care. He was a terrible president. Our country was. It really started a very bad downward spiral. Then I stopped it. Then we had a rigged election, and then what what Biden did to our country should never ever be forgotten. That was pretty dramatic, it was.
00:23:26
Speaker 2: But of course the shutdown had to come up. She asked him about the longest shutdown in American history. He immediately jumped in democrats, Paul, that was his read. Immediately that was his response. And asked what you are doing, sir, to end the shutdown. He didn't have an answer necessarily, He only kept going on about Democrats keep voting down this extension. He said he had to admit he has no plans. She said, so you're saying your plans to tell the Democrats to vote to end the shutdown? Correct, very simple was His response? Was the end of it roll? If you say some of his best stuff for Chuck Schumer, I was, he.
00:24:04
Speaker 3: Really did so on Schumer, I'm not going to do it by being extorted by the Democrats who've lost their way. There is something wrong with these people. Nora says, So, then, what happens on November fifteenth? Trump, Schumer is a basket case, he interrupts. Noora's trying to say, what happens on November fifteenth when the troops don't get a paycheck? Trump continues, Schumer is a basket case. He's going to be defeated in the next election by a vast number of people, and he has nothing to lose. He's become I just left Japan. He's become a Kama Kazi pilot. This guy, Norris says, it sounds like this is not going to get solved. Trump says, this guy is a Kama Kazi. He would rather see the country fail than have Trump and the Republicans do well. But the people don't want that.
00:24:50
Speaker 2: To your point, right, she asked him, what happens when the troops don't get paid? Chuck Schumer is a nutcase.
00:24:58
Speaker 1: What she was great.
00:25:00
Speaker 3: She just kept following up, and she just kept re asking the question until he finally answered, yeah.
00:25:05
Speaker 2: Some of these she was running out of time. She had to eventually let some of these go. He did go on to say this as well, and what's going on with the shutdown called the democrats vicious quote, the Democrats are vicious. They're vicious. They have horrible policy, but they are the most vicious human beings on the earth. They are people that weaponize government. They do a lot of bad things.
00:25:27
Speaker 3: You know, it's tough. I'm actually thinking about that as a journalist and sitting across from the President of the United States and him saying something that incendiary, you know, it is tough to know how you what your next follow up is to something that egregious. I mean, before Trump, can you imagine like, yes, of course partisan politics come into play, and there is there are certain types of words used, but to say things like that is yes, it's par for the course, but it's still remarkable.
00:25:57
Speaker 2: I would love to have a non policy interview, but a personal one because on that one you would want to follow. She can't go down that rabbit hole with him, like mister President, you call these people, yeah, like these are human beings, These are fellow politicians on the other side, you talk about them.
00:26:14
Speaker 1: As if they are the sum Yeah.
00:26:17
Speaker 2: Fine, how can we do that? The most vicious human beings on earth? That's that's beyond hyperbole. That is like, God, that's a tough one. Uh, what do you wanna go to next to the tariffs of the immigration?
00:26:32
Speaker 3: Let's well, we can go to tariffs. The immigration is a lot. But she asks if your economic plan, what happens to it if the Supreme Court invalidates your tariffs. Trump says, I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. I think our economy will go to hell because of tariffs. We have the highest stock market we've ever had because of tariffs. Four oh one k's are at the highest level. And this is millions and millions of people that that we've ever had. Four oh one CA's okay, she says, all right, we'll finish that sentence. You said. If they take away my power to do tariffs, what Trump says, it would be a very sad day for the United States of America. We're making a lot of money, We're respected again all over the world. We have great national security.
00:27:12
Speaker 2: And she tried and tried on immigration because he'd made a reference to him several times. She kept saying, Hey, we'll get to immigration later. They finally get to it, and she says to him, you campaign on immigration. His response, did a great job, don't you think, which is fantastic. She asked him, though, and you've seen this clip they've used in teases and this was certainly a part of the television interview. Have some of these ice raids gone too far? His response, No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the judges, by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and Obama and Obama. She follows up, you're okay with these tactics. He says, yeah, because you have to get the people out. Look, that was jarring the people who's seen some of the scenes on television to think they're going too far. And the President said, I want him to go farther.
00:28:05
Speaker 3: That's concerning. He said he's been mild, right, He said, I've been mild. That was how he described how he has handled all of this. And she talked about how in his campaigning he talked about getting rid of the worst of the worst, the most violent of the criminals. And Trump says, that's what we're doing. But Nora said, no, but a lot of people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals. Landscapers, nannies, construction workers. Trump says, oh, no, no, no, no landscapers who are criminals. Nora added farm workers, and then Trump says, now, look, look, and then Nora added the family of US service members, and then Trump says this, I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody.
00:28:48
Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm not saying ever, I don't know if I've seen it. I don't think I've seen an interviewer walk out of an interview with anybody, much less a president. But if she'd walked out at that moment, I would have said, Okay, I get it.
00:29:04
Speaker 1: That was wild.
00:29:06
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, it's one of those moments where sometimes I think the only time I felt like this when I had an interview was where I actually had to be so aware of my facial reaction to what they were saying. And that is when I interviewed then Illinois Governor Rob Legoyevitch just days before he was criminally charged. But when when you are interviewing somebody who says outlandish things that they believe it truly is difficult to maintain decorum and not show a reaction on your face. She did a great job.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: It's just the fun we get it to put to say it out, I need landscapers more than anybody.
00:29:44
Speaker 3: He owned some golf courses. He does.
00:29:47
Speaker 2: And it's a true statement. It just it comes off a certain way and I don't mind it. That's Trump. Let's get to these last political restribution in Pam Bondy Dan.
00:29:57
Speaker 3: There's Mommy, and there's mom Donnie too.
00:29:58
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do mom Donni first. We have the election here in New York tomorrow. New York City mayor asking about uh Zoran mum Donnie, who was leading right now in the race, President Drum said, called him communist, not socialist. Communists. He's far worse than a socialist. He's far worse than a socialist. Or asks, some people have compared him to a left wing version of you, charismatic breaking the old rules. What do you think about that? Trump's response, Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him.
00:30:26
Speaker 1: Right.
00:30:28
Speaker 2: He was looking for her to confirm, which I thought was weird. She then ask what if mom Donnie becomes mayor, said the president, I think he's probably gonna make Doblasio look great. I think he'll make de Blasio look like one of the great mayors. De Blasio was the worst mayor we've ever had. Now I say that, you know, but I was sort of leaving during that period of time. I got to see the Blasio how bad of a mayor he was, and this man will.
00:30:52
Speaker 1: Be worse than the Plaza.
00:30:55
Speaker 2: He goes down at the end here and says about Cuomo, if it's gonna be between a bad Democrat and a communist, I'm gonna pick the bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.
00:31:05
Speaker 3: All right. So that was a lukewarm endorsement of Cuomo. And then this is where he really did get fiery about the political retribution. Nora asks him about James Comy, John Bolton, Letitia James all recently indicted. There's a pattern to these names. They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you. Is this political retribution? She had to ask that same question multiple times. He means, do you think it's bad that I went after a public figure. Is it political retribution? He says, you know what, you know, who got indicted? The man you're looking at. I got indicted and I was innocent. And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown out at me. I got indicted. They indicted the president of the United States. So you can just see how upset he is. You know, they impeached me twice, and I got out of it quickly and easily. They impeach me twice. These people are scum. And yet when you go after a dirty cop like Komy or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has I don't know anything about it? I hear he took records all over the place. Who knows. Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion, terrible. I just won the case against her. She wanted me to pay five hundred million for something I didn't do anything wrong on and the judge just overturned the decision. And then so then Nora has to erupt again after he still keeps talking about how disalms they are. She said, I am asking is it political retribution? So this is the third time she asked, and he responds with, Comy's a dirty cop. Komy's known as a dirty cop. I'm not known as a dirty person. They indicted me many times, they were after me. I'm looking at you now, I'm president of the United States. I went through numerous indictments and two impeachments. And you tell me that I went after people. These people are dishonest. I mean, you can just He was very upset.
00:32:52
Speaker 2: It was a longer answer. He went on for quite a bit, and she gave him some rope to do this, but he kept on going down this road. But her question, the natural one, was did you instruct the Justice Department to go after your political enemies? He all of a sudden didn't hear what she said, do I what did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them?
00:33:16
Speaker 1: Uh?
00:33:16
Speaker 2: He falls No, not in any way, shape or form. No, you don't have to instruct them because they were so dirty they have they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have Pamboni's doing a very good job.
00:33:29
Speaker 1: Cash Betel's doing a good job. Wednesday, come into my house. Yeah.
00:33:34
Speaker 3: Then he goes back into how Yeah, they went through Malania's things. He went off on on what was the thing picking up her dresses. He was upset that they went through her dresses and like threw them on the ground. That he went into a very long diatribe about how Mlanie is very meticulous and keeps all of her things very nice and neat, and they came in there and they went through all her dresses. He's he's still very upset about all of this.
00:33:54
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: So the last thing on this was she tried to follow up at the NSA. Is this rettribution on your part?
00:34:02
Speaker 3: Fourth time?
00:34:02
Speaker 2: His response, finally, no, it's the opposite. I think I've been very mild mannered. You're looking at a man who was indicted many times and I had to beat the rap otherwise I couldn't have run for president. They tried to get me to not run for president by going after me and by indicting me. That I underlined, and that was the first thing I looked up, and it got a little I think I've been very mild mannered. Comy Bolton, Laticia James all In federally indicted and he's been.
00:34:32
Speaker 3: Mild meaning there's more where that came from. That was my takeaway, don't cross me third term.
00:34:40
Speaker 1: He lets this go finally, right, Yeah.
00:34:41
Speaker 3: I think he finally has made it clear that he will not be running for a third term. But he did point out that they have a very strong bench Republicans and so he felt like it was going to be good. He didn't want to use any names, but he said, we got three and a quarter years, so he's still we got a lot to do.
00:35:01
Speaker 2: Look, this was interesting, it was fascinating, and I'm glad it's cool to read it instead of seeing it sometimes. But we went through the whole ninety minutes. I just wanted to throw a few things in there that maybe you didn't see. We'll keep an eye on all things Trump and CBS related. Cannot believe the president was on sixty minutes. Just the idea of that is kind of wild right now.
00:35:22
Speaker 3: And reading the transcript was well, it delivered. It was a ride, all right.
00:35:26
Speaker 1: Well, folks, we alway appreciate you spending some time with us. We're going to give our eyes a break. We were staring at this computer screen for the transcript a long time, struggling for a minute. But folks, who always appreciate you listening on TJ. Holmes, behalf of Amy Robock. We will talk to y'all real soon