Oct. 5, 2026
President Trump Publicly Pressures Senator By Releasing His Personal Cell Number (Isn’t That Illegal?)
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RSS Feed Over the weekend, President Trump gave out Republican Senator Tom Cotton’s personal cell phone number, asking Arkansans to pressure Cotton to support “The Sunshine Protection Act.” Trump wants Cotton, who he says is holding up the bill because of his “ego” to support the measure passed by the House that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent. Time is running out for the President, who wants to stop the clocks from falling back on November 1, as recent polls show Americans split on how they want the hands of time to land.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October 5th, and don't you just hate it? It happens to us all, but don't you just hate it when somebody gives your cell phone number to somebody you didn't authorize them to give your cell phone number to? Sucks, doesn't it? But what if you're a sitting senator, and what if the person that gave out your number is the president of the United States? And with that, welcome to this episode. of Amy and TJ, a debate over daylight saving time has turned into... This is a major breach of etiquette.
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Speaker 2: Is it just a breach of etiquette? I feel like it's beyond that. This is... This is... You know what?
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Speaker 1: A dick move. Wouldn't someone just call it that? That's the easier way to just pull it. Come on. The president gave out a senator's cell phone number. Robes.
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Speaker 2: Look, The president doxxed a U.S. senator. I mean, there's no other way to put it. Doxxing, I just looked up the official definition of doxxing. The public exposure of a person's private or identifying information online. without their consent, usually to harass, intimidate, or shame them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's perfect.
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Speaker 2: Literally, that is what the President of the United States did to Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.
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Speaker 1: Okay, he pulled this out, though, Robes, over daylight saving time. All the things he wants them to do and pushes them to do and all these big issues having to do with economy or interest rates or the war, what up, Robes? Daylight saving time is the thing he wants to Do this to a senator over?
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Speaker 2: Look, it's something he campaigned on. It's something he feels passionately about. And apparently it's messing up his whole golfing life. He brought that into it as well, which we'll explain. But yes, golfers unite. They apparently all want it to be fun. Sorry, lighter later so they can keep golfing more.
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Speaker 1: No, that's not really.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He's not suggesting that for real.
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Speaker 2: I believe he is.
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Speaker 1: He's not for real about that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so he is applying or trying to apply pressure to Senator Cotton to support the Sunshine Act. Protection Act. And yes, a lot of reporters did call the number. First of all, they verified that in fact was, yes, Senator Cotton's personal cell phone number.
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Speaker 1: We know that 479 area code.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. But yes, they did try calling. They say the number goes straight to voicemail and it's a generic voicemail, but it, it, gets you to a recorded message at this point that says the mailbox is full, which you can only imagine probably happened very quickly. Now, the act passed in the House back in July, overwhelmingly, 308 to 117, but it is stalled in the Senate. I did think this was interesting. I didn't know this. The way the act is written right now, it would allow states to opt out of permanent daylight saving time. They can instead remain on year-round standard time, but only if they make the change before the legislation takes effect. So if you don't like permanent daylight saving as a state, you would have the option to have permanent standard time. What?
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Speaker 1: Trying to force them to all make a move, do what we want you to do before legislation comes? Wait, what? What does that mean?
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Speaker 2: It just means you have the option as a state to opt into the other. You're not going to change the clocks, basically. So either as a state, you're going to do permanent daylight saving. If you do nothing, that's going to happen. Or you could, before it takes effect, you could go into permanent standard time. But we're not changing clocks anymore. That's the whole point.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so now you have the possibility of half of the country could be on standard time and half of the country could be on daylight saving time. What sense does that make? That's just chaos. That's not going to work.
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 1: No, obviously not. This is silly. We are having the wrong conversation, the wrong debate. And please, folks, stop being fooled by this. Please, take a moment. I know the clocks are annoying. Nobody wants to switch them. I don't. You don't. I'm okay not switching them. But daylight saving time is not the way to go. Standard time, according to a consensus of doctors and sleep experts, will tell us that it's standard time. But why aren't we having that conversation, Robes? is because they're playing on your emotions of switching a clock. They're playing on your emotions right now of, yeah, sure, I want more daylight at the end of the day. Sounds awesome. And everybody gets wound up and they're excited about it. And all these members of Congress overwhelmingly vote for it because they think that's what their constituents want. And they didn't even look into this. Robes, why are we having another mindless, pointless... distraction of a conversation and a debate over this. Ask your president.
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Speaker 2: Um, we can, we can go to his true social page, uh, which, uh, this, I don't know if we can read, it's a long, I mean, so he, and this is, this is his first of many posts about daylight saving time over the weekend. So Trump's true social says this.
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Speaker 1: This is the one with his phone number.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Everybody in Arkansas, Tom Cotton, a friend of mine is holding up a very important bill. It's called the sunshine protection act, or we don't want to change our clocks twice a year act.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: For some reason, Tom is stopping the bill.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And in the Senate, it's very easy to do.
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Speaker 1: Good job.
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Speaker 2: It only takes one. It should pass overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion so everyone in Arkansas, a state I love, and won three times the last by 34 points. Tell Tom to get it done.
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Speaker 1: Come on, Tom.
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Speaker 2: It will be appreciated by all. Nobody wants to spend their precious time running all over the place, turning clocks back twice a year, and having sunshine in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes up a lot of time.
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Speaker 2: Is better than early in the morning. The PGA Tour, as an example, needs more daylight in the afternoon in order to finish their tournaments.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we need more privileged people with more time doing privileged things.
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Speaker 2: Likewise, regular golfers, tennis players, hunters, and perhaps more importantly, farmers, who want more daylight to play or work.
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Speaker 1: Play, okay.
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Speaker 2: See letter from Brian Rolap, CEO of the PGA Tour below. He does have a letter from him we'll get into. 65% plus want more sun in the afternoon. Daylight saving time, the way it is now. But 100% don't want to change their clocks twice a year. They want to, as they say, lock the clock.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Who doesn't? It's very expensive for our nation where you have high and dangerous steeples to reach. like on churches and municipal buildings, almost everybody wants the Sunshine Protection Act to pass.
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Speaker 1: Wait a second.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying people are going to be falling off buildings unless we... It's dangerous. Wait, what?
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Speaker 2: It's dangerous to reach those steeples.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You lost me. Is the suggestion that people need more light to work on churches?
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Speaker 2: No, it's so that they don't have to climb... high steeples to change the clocks manually. Who still has steeples? On our churches and municipal buildings, apparently people have to climb all the way up to the top to change the hands of the clock twice a year.
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Speaker 1: That's happening still? He's claiming it is. How many people are we losing every year to that?
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's saying that they died. It's just unnecessarily dangerous. Yes. Okay. To the great people of Arkansas, please let your senator know it would be a great bipartisan win for the United States Senate and for America itself. Call Tom on his cell phone. Then he gives the numbers. And let him know the Sunshine Protection Act was passed in the House by a vote of 308 to 117. Have the Senate vote now.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And so this letter from Brian Rolap also.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the PGA Tour commissioner?
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Speaker 2: Yep. And he put a whole letter saying that basically they would appreciate that this would allow golfers to squeeze in 23 million more rounds a year.
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Speaker 1: Babe, that is a devastating statement. Are you... That hurts, baby. Like the priority right now and all that's going on in the world. Even daylight saving time. He could attribute this to families here in the Midwest. This family over here will now be able to do this. The important thing here, he included a letter from the commission of the PGA. Robes, that hurts. That stings for a lot of people. This is not something to make fun of and get mad about. Robes, that lack of, what do we call it again? You can't read the room. I cannot believe you could be that tone deaf.
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Speaker 2: He has no perspective.
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Speaker 1: That's tough. That's a painful one for a lot of people here who are struggling with eggs and beef and school and all kinds of stuff, babe.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: Think about all the missed golf rounds because of our daylight saving issue.
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Speaker 1: That hurts, baby. Yes.
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Speaker 2: So Tom Cotton did respond on X, not directly to the president, but just put out this tweet. He said, no one likes changing the clock, me included. But Congress has enacted permanent daylight savings time multiple times before and repealed it each time once Americans experienced absurdly late sunrises in the winter. Arkansans don't want their kids going to school in the pitch dark, and I'll always put Arkansas first. Trump responded within an hour on his true social. It has been held up in the Senate, a place where things go to die by Tom Cotton for months. And for what? Other than ego. Blamed Tom Cotton's ego. Then he goes on. a third time onto his truth social and says, if Tom Cotton were putting Arkansas first, he would give them an extra hour of daylight. And more importantly, they wouldn't have to run all over their houses, farms, workplaces, and everywhere else twice a year, having to change their clocks and often forgetting to do so.
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Speaker 1: Man, I grew up in Arkansas.
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Speaker 2: Were you running around from your home to your farm to your workplace to change your clock?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I do remember our family used to run drills so we could be ready twice a year to do this. It was... Robes, when was the last time you had to physically change a clock? It's just the one we got from Rome. But other than that, everything is an Apple device. I wake up in the morning and go, oh shit, that's what time it is now. Who's changing clocks? Okay, why are we even making the argument? It is not some laborious exercise to change clocks.
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Speaker 2: It used to be.
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Speaker 1: Robes.
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Speaker 2: It isn't now.
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Speaker 1: Robes, it's not. I change my watch. There's one on the wall. I change it. It takes what to do the house? Two minutes. Two minutes. If you have a big house, maybe five.
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Speaker 2: He also put up a couple other posts talking about having a dinner with very distinguished guests who were all complaining about going home in the dark. And then here was another one. He actually is saying it's going to lower crime. It's even been proven to be better in stopping crime, something of which I have done an historic job of because criminals don't like working in the light. So yeah, he, it just was a nonstop onslaught of why we need daylight saving time. But obviously we've been there, done that.
00:11:33
Speaker 1: Bros, we've been there. We've done that. This exercise has been done, and it will be the same every time. It sounds great, babe. I know. It sounds wonderful. More light in the evening. It does. It sounds wonderful until you're taking your kids to school at 9.30 in the morning in some parts of the country, and it's pitch black. Until you have kids standing on the corner at 8, 8.15, 8.30 in major cities in this country, and it's pitch black outside. Bros, this just doesn't work. We've tried it. We've tried it several times. And the, I can't remember the stat we had before, but there was, when it was enacted once before, in 1973, that experiment, 74, 75% of people were in support of it when they enacted it. It was down to 40% in a few months after people realized, this sucks. Who wants to live like this? Robes, how hard is it to get up in the morning? Six o'clock, seven o'clock, eight o'clock, still pitch black. That's how we want to start our days today.
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Speaker 2: And some states have it worse than others. And it is the Midwest states that end up getting the short end of the stick when it comes to, or it matters where you are within the time zone, but it can really have a major impact on your kid's ability to go to school. And the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, you referenced this at the top, and other medical groups have absolutely come together and said year-round daylight saving time does not align with humans' natural circadian rhythms If you're going to make it just be one and done, standard time is the preferred way to go about it, period. They've just been united on this from the get-go.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Again, we're all on the same page. We don't want to change the clocks. I'm okay with that, but it needs to be standard time. That's all. We're having the wrong debate. We're fighting over the wrong thing. I actually do, Rose. I like switching the clocks because I'm used to it. I've been doing it all my life, and it's a little... Something to look forward to. It's a little prize when you get an extra hour. It's a little exercise to have to adjust your whole work schedule when you lose an hour. I like it. I like half of the year I get later sunsets. I'm okay with that. That's just me. But if we're going to change it, let's have the right and the honest debate about what we should be doing and why. To just say I want an extra hour because I want to play golf and then seven-year-old Timmy is on the street corner at 8.30 in the pitch black, but you get extra golfing hours is what we're talking about. We're just having the wrong conversation, baby.
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Speaker 2: It's tough. And you heard the president in his true social say that 65% plus want more sun in the afternoon. Well, when we come back, we'll tell you what the latest poll says and where Americans actually stand on daylight saving and reminding you that this isn't Trump's first time doxing someone. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes, the president doxed Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton over the weekend, giving everyone his personal cell phone number so that you can call him and tell him you want him to allow the Senate to vote and you want him to vote for daylight saving, permanent daylight saving.
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody you're annoyed with now you would give out their number to?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: To get you to say, hey, everybody, call blah, blah, blah.
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Speaker 2: That is terrible. I've never done that.
00:15:01
Speaker 1: If I had the Verbo CEO's phone number.
00:15:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. That would be, yeah, we might have done that.
00:15:05
Speaker 1: I would just call them directly.
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Speaker 2: All right. So where do Americans stand on permanent daylight saving? So this is according to the latest APNORC poll. 12% of Americans favor the current system. Okay, so the president is tapping in on real frustration and annoyance, and it's something that affects every American.
00:15:24
Speaker 1: So current meaning switching in twice a year, that system.
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Speaker 2: Yes, only 12% like the way we do it now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in that group. I would probably put myself in that group.
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Speaker 2: You're in the 12%. You like the way we do it now.
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Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I'm used to it. You know me. I don't like change.
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Speaker 2: But that means you, but that's so funny.
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Speaker 1: No, the system is in place. We've been doing this for 49 years.
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Speaker 2: If you don't like change, it's funny that you don't mind that change because it's a change you've had to do your whole life.
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Speaker 1: It's a change that is built into a system.
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Okay. 47% of Americans oppose our current system, which means, I tried to do the math. I'm not really good here. That means 41%. Did I get that right?
00:16:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm so off it's not even funny, said that they're neither opposed or in favor. They just don't care. I thought that was one of the more interesting of them.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: See, but that 41% that's opposed to the current system?
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Speaker 2: 47% are opposed to the current system.
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Speaker 1: If you're opposed to the current system, it doesn't mean necessarily you want to stay in daylight saving time the whole time. Maybe you're okay with standard time. You just don't like switching.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So that could go either way. So how many actually in favor of daylight saving time?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so 56% said they would prefer year-round daylight saving time, which means, yes, more light in the evening, less in the morning. I think the president said it was well over 65%. 56% said they would prefer, and yes, only 42% wanted year-round standard time, which is more light in the morning and less at night, because I do think that it has a PR problem. Standard time has a PR problem. People don't understand... the benefits and what the medical community has been saying for a while.
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Speaker 1: And they won't, it's hard to sell that message, but it's by the time you get people to come around to your, the message about standard time, it's too late because you've implemented it. And the kid is on the corner at eight 15 in the morning. I know I keep going to that particular thing, but roads, they have the stats. You remember we pulled out about the obesity level, how it would drop. just the health implications of us staying on standard time. They said daylight saving, there are similar health implications, but they're not as impactful. Robes, you're right. Nobody's out there pounding the table about standard time. It is hard to get people to understand your circadian rhythm is going to be jacked if you stay on this daylight saving.
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Speaker 2: In total, this is just For our own personal benefit, but because we are early risers and anyone who is an early riser. I appreciate it being later earlier because it doesn't make me feel so sad about going to bed so early in the summertime. We try to go to bed between 8 and 9 o'clock each night. In the summertime, I'm like, oh, it's still light out.
00:18:12
Speaker 1: We're missing out. It's personal to everybody.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's personal. So, yes, and then it feels better. It doesn't feel as overwhelming to get up early when it gets light earlier. So I get it. Everyone's got their reason. I do want to point this out. I did want to point this out because several outlets were reminding everyone that Trump, this is not the first time he has given out someone's personal cell phone number. During the 2016 presidential primary, he pulled out a card on stage. He hand wrote out the number for Senator Trump. Lindsey Graham. He read his number aloud, encouraged Americans to give the senator a call, and it wasn't for good reason. So he has done this before. And get this, we obviously know Lindsey Graham passed away this summer in July. And while President Trump was speaking at his funeral, giving the eulogy, he admitted that sharing Graham's number was something he shouldn't have done. And I just think that's so interesting. This is a lesson that he recently learned or that he felt bad about. He made a joke saying, and I remember the number, and he recited it again. If anybody wants to give it a shot. I mean, I don't know if that was in poor taste, just at his funeral. It was in terrible taste. Yeah, obviously it was.
00:19:25
Speaker 1: It was in terrible taste.
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Speaker 2: He made a joke about it.
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Speaker 1: But to say he tried. He was about to have a human moment, a nice moment of regret, of I shouldn't have done that. And then say, eh, try this dead man's number again. Maybe it'll work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he did. So at one point you're thinking, okay, well, he feels bad about it. He's bringing it up. But no, he made a joke about it. Like, it was funny. So yeah, here he goes again. doxing a center. I did look to see if it was a crime and federally speaking, not necessarily so, but it can become a crime depending on the state you're in. And it depends on your target, your intent and where you live.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: What is the thing like swatting, right? Isn't that probably part of mixed into this where they were sending people to making those calls. No, that's not, that's totally different. That's a 911 call versus just putting people's information up and saying, kind of, go get them. You're sicking the public on somebody.
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Speaker 2: So actually, I'm reading it. Targeting a government official makes it illegal. Under federal law, it is a federal crime to dox covered persons, which includes law enforcement officers, jurors, witnesses, judges, and federal employees. And also, if you have malicious intent, if you're trying to get people to stalk, harass, intimidate, or incite violence. Like, babe, I feel like what he did would technically, potentially be illegal.
00:20:49
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Justice Department is all over this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right to that. The president, can you imagine if that's what brought him down? Doxing. Doxing Senator Tom Cotton over the Sunshine Protection Act.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: Again, the Justice Department would have to prosecute, yes.
00:21:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.
00:21:08
Speaker 1: They're busy with David Hearn. Still trying to get him. Oh, my goodness.
00:21:12
Speaker 2: All right. With that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October 5th, and don't you just hate it? It happens to us all, but don't you just hate it when somebody gives your cell phone number to somebody you didn't authorize them to give your cell phone number to? Sucks, doesn't it? But what if you're a sitting senator, and what if the person that gave out your number is the president of the United States? And with that, welcome to this episode. of Amy and TJ, a debate over daylight saving time has turned into... This is a major breach of etiquette.
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Speaker 2: Is it just a breach of etiquette? I feel like it's beyond that. This is... This is... You know what?
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Speaker 1: A dick move. Wouldn't someone just call it that? That's the easier way to just pull it. Come on. The president gave out a senator's cell phone number. Robes.
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Speaker 2: Look, The president doxxed a U.S. senator. I mean, there's no other way to put it. Doxxing, I just looked up the official definition of doxxing. The public exposure of a person's private or identifying information online. without their consent, usually to harass, intimidate, or shame them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's perfect.
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Speaker 2: Literally, that is what the President of the United States did to Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.
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Speaker 1: Okay, he pulled this out, though, Robes, over daylight saving time. All the things he wants them to do and pushes them to do and all these big issues having to do with economy or interest rates or the war, what up, Robes? Daylight saving time is the thing he wants to Do this to a senator over?
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Speaker 2: Look, it's something he campaigned on. It's something he feels passionately about. And apparently it's messing up his whole golfing life. He brought that into it as well, which we'll explain. But yes, golfers unite. They apparently all want it to be fun. Sorry, lighter later so they can keep golfing more.
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Speaker 1: No, that's not really.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He's not suggesting that for real.
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Speaker 2: I believe he is.
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Speaker 1: He's not for real about that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so he is applying or trying to apply pressure to Senator Cotton to support the Sunshine Act. Protection Act. And yes, a lot of reporters did call the number. First of all, they verified that in fact was, yes, Senator Cotton's personal cell phone number.
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Speaker 1: We know that 479 area code.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. But yes, they did try calling. They say the number goes straight to voicemail and it's a generic voicemail, but it, it, gets you to a recorded message at this point that says the mailbox is full, which you can only imagine probably happened very quickly. Now, the act passed in the House back in July, overwhelmingly, 308 to 117, but it is stalled in the Senate. I did think this was interesting. I didn't know this. The way the act is written right now, it would allow states to opt out of permanent daylight saving time. They can instead remain on year-round standard time, but only if they make the change before the legislation takes effect. So if you don't like permanent daylight saving as a state, you would have the option to have permanent standard time. What?
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Speaker 1: Trying to force them to all make a move, do what we want you to do before legislation comes? Wait, what? What does that mean?
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Speaker 2: It just means you have the option as a state to opt into the other. You're not going to change the clocks, basically. So either as a state, you're going to do permanent daylight saving. If you do nothing, that's going to happen. Or you could, before it takes effect, you could go into permanent standard time. But we're not changing clocks anymore. That's the whole point.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so now you have the possibility of half of the country could be on standard time and half of the country could be on daylight saving time. What sense does that make? That's just chaos. That's not going to work.
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 1: No, obviously not. This is silly. We are having the wrong conversation, the wrong debate. And please, folks, stop being fooled by this. Please, take a moment. I know the clocks are annoying. Nobody wants to switch them. I don't. You don't. I'm okay not switching them. But daylight saving time is not the way to go. Standard time, according to a consensus of doctors and sleep experts, will tell us that it's standard time. But why aren't we having that conversation, Robes? is because they're playing on your emotions of switching a clock. They're playing on your emotions right now of, yeah, sure, I want more daylight at the end of the day. Sounds awesome. And everybody gets wound up and they're excited about it. And all these members of Congress overwhelmingly vote for it because they think that's what their constituents want. And they didn't even look into this. Robes, why are we having another mindless, pointless... distraction of a conversation and a debate over this. Ask your president.
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Speaker 2: Um, we can, we can go to his true social page, uh, which, uh, this, I don't know if we can read, it's a long, I mean, so he, and this is, this is his first of many posts about daylight saving time over the weekend. So Trump's true social says this.
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Speaker 1: This is the one with his phone number.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Everybody in Arkansas, Tom Cotton, a friend of mine is holding up a very important bill. It's called the sunshine protection act, or we don't want to change our clocks twice a year act.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: For some reason, Tom is stopping the bill.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And in the Senate, it's very easy to do.
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Speaker 1: Good job.
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Speaker 2: It only takes one. It should pass overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion so everyone in Arkansas, a state I love, and won three times the last by 34 points. Tell Tom to get it done.
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Speaker 1: Come on, Tom.
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Speaker 2: It will be appreciated by all. Nobody wants to spend their precious time running all over the place, turning clocks back twice a year, and having sunshine in the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes up a lot of time.
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Speaker 2: Is better than early in the morning. The PGA Tour, as an example, needs more daylight in the afternoon in order to finish their tournaments.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we need more privileged people with more time doing privileged things.
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Speaker 2: Likewise, regular golfers, tennis players, hunters, and perhaps more importantly, farmers, who want more daylight to play or work.
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Speaker 1: Play, okay.
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Speaker 2: See letter from Brian Rolap, CEO of the PGA Tour below. He does have a letter from him we'll get into. 65% plus want more sun in the afternoon. Daylight saving time, the way it is now. But 100% don't want to change their clocks twice a year. They want to, as they say, lock the clock.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: Who doesn't? It's very expensive for our nation where you have high and dangerous steeples to reach. like on churches and municipal buildings, almost everybody wants the Sunshine Protection Act to pass.
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Speaker 1: Wait a second.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying people are going to be falling off buildings unless we... It's dangerous. Wait, what?
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Speaker 2: It's dangerous to reach those steeples.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You lost me. Is the suggestion that people need more light to work on churches?
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Speaker 2: No, it's so that they don't have to climb... high steeples to change the clocks manually. Who still has steeples? On our churches and municipal buildings, apparently people have to climb all the way up to the top to change the hands of the clock twice a year.
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Speaker 1: That's happening still? He's claiming it is. How many people are we losing every year to that?
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's saying that they died. It's just unnecessarily dangerous. Yes. Okay. To the great people of Arkansas, please let your senator know it would be a great bipartisan win for the United States Senate and for America itself. Call Tom on his cell phone. Then he gives the numbers. And let him know the Sunshine Protection Act was passed in the House by a vote of 308 to 117. Have the Senate vote now.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And so this letter from Brian Rolap also.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the PGA Tour commissioner?
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Speaker 2: Yep. And he put a whole letter saying that basically they would appreciate that this would allow golfers to squeeze in 23 million more rounds a year.
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Speaker 1: Babe, that is a devastating statement. Are you... That hurts, baby. Like the priority right now and all that's going on in the world. Even daylight saving time. He could attribute this to families here in the Midwest. This family over here will now be able to do this. The important thing here, he included a letter from the commission of the PGA. Robes, that hurts. That stings for a lot of people. This is not something to make fun of and get mad about. Robes, that lack of, what do we call it again? You can't read the room. I cannot believe you could be that tone deaf.
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Speaker 2: He has no perspective.
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Speaker 1: That's tough. That's a painful one for a lot of people here who are struggling with eggs and beef and school and all kinds of stuff, babe.
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Speaker 2: Think about all the missed golf rounds because of our daylight saving issue.
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Speaker 1: That hurts, baby. Yes.
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Speaker 2: So Tom Cotton did respond on X, not directly to the president, but just put out this tweet. He said, no one likes changing the clock, me included. But Congress has enacted permanent daylight savings time multiple times before and repealed it each time once Americans experienced absurdly late sunrises in the winter. Arkansans don't want their kids going to school in the pitch dark, and I'll always put Arkansas first. Trump responded within an hour on his true social. It has been held up in the Senate, a place where things go to die by Tom Cotton for months. And for what? Other than ego. Blamed Tom Cotton's ego. Then he goes on. a third time onto his truth social and says, if Tom Cotton were putting Arkansas first, he would give them an extra hour of daylight. And more importantly, they wouldn't have to run all over their houses, farms, workplaces, and everywhere else twice a year, having to change their clocks and often forgetting to do so.
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Speaker 1: Man, I grew up in Arkansas.
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Speaker 2: Were you running around from your home to your farm to your workplace to change your clock?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I do remember our family used to run drills so we could be ready twice a year to do this. It was... Robes, when was the last time you had to physically change a clock? It's just the one we got from Rome. But other than that, everything is an Apple device. I wake up in the morning and go, oh shit, that's what time it is now. Who's changing clocks? Okay, why are we even making the argument? It is not some laborious exercise to change clocks.
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Speaker 2: It used to be.
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Speaker 1: Robes.
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Speaker 2: It isn't now.
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Speaker 1: Robes, it's not. I change my watch. There's one on the wall. I change it. It takes what to do the house? Two minutes. Two minutes. If you have a big house, maybe five.
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Speaker 2: He also put up a couple other posts talking about having a dinner with very distinguished guests who were all complaining about going home in the dark. And then here was another one. He actually is saying it's going to lower crime. It's even been proven to be better in stopping crime, something of which I have done an historic job of because criminals don't like working in the light. So yeah, he, it just was a nonstop onslaught of why we need daylight saving time. But obviously we've been there, done that.
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Speaker 1: Bros, we've been there. We've done that. This exercise has been done, and it will be the same every time. It sounds great, babe. I know. It sounds wonderful. More light in the evening. It does. It sounds wonderful until you're taking your kids to school at 9.30 in the morning in some parts of the country, and it's pitch black. Until you have kids standing on the corner at 8, 8.15, 8.30 in major cities in this country, and it's pitch black outside. Bros, this just doesn't work. We've tried it. We've tried it several times. And the, I can't remember the stat we had before, but there was, when it was enacted once before, in 1973, that experiment, 74, 75% of people were in support of it when they enacted it. It was down to 40% in a few months after people realized, this sucks. Who wants to live like this? Robes, how hard is it to get up in the morning? Six o'clock, seven o'clock, eight o'clock, still pitch black. That's how we want to start our days today.
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Speaker 2: And some states have it worse than others. And it is the Midwest states that end up getting the short end of the stick when it comes to, or it matters where you are within the time zone, but it can really have a major impact on your kid's ability to go to school. And the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, you referenced this at the top, and other medical groups have absolutely come together and said year-round daylight saving time does not align with humans' natural circadian rhythms If you're going to make it just be one and done, standard time is the preferred way to go about it, period. They've just been united on this from the get-go.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Again, we're all on the same page. We don't want to change the clocks. I'm okay with that, but it needs to be standard time. That's all. We're having the wrong debate. We're fighting over the wrong thing. I actually do, Rose. I like switching the clocks because I'm used to it. I've been doing it all my life, and it's a little... Something to look forward to. It's a little prize when you get an extra hour. It's a little exercise to have to adjust your whole work schedule when you lose an hour. I like it. I like half of the year I get later sunsets. I'm okay with that. That's just me. But if we're going to change it, let's have the right and the honest debate about what we should be doing and why. To just say I want an extra hour because I want to play golf and then seven-year-old Timmy is on the street corner at 8.30 in the pitch black, but you get extra golfing hours is what we're talking about. We're just having the wrong conversation, baby.
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Speaker 2: It's tough. And you heard the president in his true social say that 65% plus want more sun in the afternoon. Well, when we come back, we'll tell you what the latest poll says and where Americans actually stand on daylight saving and reminding you that this isn't Trump's first time doxing someone. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes, the president doxed Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton over the weekend, giving everyone his personal cell phone number so that you can call him and tell him you want him to allow the Senate to vote and you want him to vote for daylight saving, permanent daylight saving.
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody you're annoyed with now you would give out their number to?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: To get you to say, hey, everybody, call blah, blah, blah.
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Speaker 2: That is terrible. I've never done that.
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Speaker 1: If I had the Verbo CEO's phone number.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. That would be, yeah, we might have done that.
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Speaker 1: I would just call them directly.
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Speaker 2: All right. So where do Americans stand on permanent daylight saving? So this is according to the latest APNORC poll. 12% of Americans favor the current system. Okay, so the president is tapping in on real frustration and annoyance, and it's something that affects every American.
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Speaker 1: So current meaning switching in twice a year, that system.
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Speaker 2: Yes, only 12% like the way we do it now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm in that group. I would probably put myself in that group.
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Speaker 2: You're in the 12%. You like the way we do it now.
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Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I'm used to it. You know me. I don't like change.
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Speaker 2: But that means you, but that's so funny.
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Speaker 1: No, the system is in place. We've been doing this for 49 years.
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Speaker 2: If you don't like change, it's funny that you don't mind that change because it's a change you've had to do your whole life.
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Speaker 1: It's a change that is built into a system.
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Okay. 47% of Americans oppose our current system, which means, I tried to do the math. I'm not really good here. That means 41%. Did I get that right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm so off it's not even funny, said that they're neither opposed or in favor. They just don't care. I thought that was one of the more interesting of them.
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Speaker 1: See, but that 41% that's opposed to the current system?
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Speaker 2: 47% are opposed to the current system.
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Speaker 1: If you're opposed to the current system, it doesn't mean necessarily you want to stay in daylight saving time the whole time. Maybe you're okay with standard time. You just don't like switching.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So that could go either way. So how many actually in favor of daylight saving time?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so 56% said they would prefer year-round daylight saving time, which means, yes, more light in the evening, less in the morning. I think the president said it was well over 65%. 56% said they would prefer, and yes, only 42% wanted year-round standard time, which is more light in the morning and less at night, because I do think that it has a PR problem. Standard time has a PR problem. People don't understand... the benefits and what the medical community has been saying for a while.
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Speaker 1: And they won't, it's hard to sell that message, but it's by the time you get people to come around to your, the message about standard time, it's too late because you've implemented it. And the kid is on the corner at eight 15 in the morning. I know I keep going to that particular thing, but roads, they have the stats. You remember we pulled out about the obesity level, how it would drop. just the health implications of us staying on standard time. They said daylight saving, there are similar health implications, but they're not as impactful. Robes, you're right. Nobody's out there pounding the table about standard time. It is hard to get people to understand your circadian rhythm is going to be jacked if you stay on this daylight saving.
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Speaker 2: In total, this is just For our own personal benefit, but because we are early risers and anyone who is an early riser. I appreciate it being later earlier because it doesn't make me feel so sad about going to bed so early in the summertime. We try to go to bed between 8 and 9 o'clock each night. In the summertime, I'm like, oh, it's still light out.
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Speaker 1: We're missing out. It's personal to everybody.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's personal. So, yes, and then it feels better. It doesn't feel as overwhelming to get up early when it gets light earlier. So I get it. Everyone's got their reason. I do want to point this out. I did want to point this out because several outlets were reminding everyone that Trump, this is not the first time he has given out someone's personal cell phone number. During the 2016 presidential primary, he pulled out a card on stage. He hand wrote out the number for Senator Trump. Lindsey Graham. He read his number aloud, encouraged Americans to give the senator a call, and it wasn't for good reason. So he has done this before. And get this, we obviously know Lindsey Graham passed away this summer in July. And while President Trump was speaking at his funeral, giving the eulogy, he admitted that sharing Graham's number was something he shouldn't have done. And I just think that's so interesting. This is a lesson that he recently learned or that he felt bad about. He made a joke saying, and I remember the number, and he recited it again. If anybody wants to give it a shot. I mean, I don't know if that was in poor taste, just at his funeral. It was in terrible taste. Yeah, obviously it was.
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Speaker 1: It was in terrible taste.
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Speaker 2: He made a joke about it.
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Speaker 1: But to say he tried. He was about to have a human moment, a nice moment of regret, of I shouldn't have done that. And then say, eh, try this dead man's number again. Maybe it'll work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he did. So at one point you're thinking, okay, well, he feels bad about it. He's bringing it up. But no, he made a joke about it. Like, it was funny. So yeah, here he goes again. doxing a center. I did look to see if it was a crime and federally speaking, not necessarily so, but it can become a crime depending on the state you're in. And it depends on your target, your intent and where you live.
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Speaker 1: What is the thing like swatting, right? Isn't that probably part of mixed into this where they were sending people to making those calls. No, that's not, that's totally different. That's a 911 call versus just putting people's information up and saying, kind of, go get them. You're sicking the public on somebody.
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Speaker 2: So actually, I'm reading it. Targeting a government official makes it illegal. Under federal law, it is a federal crime to dox covered persons, which includes law enforcement officers, jurors, witnesses, judges, and federal employees. And also, if you have malicious intent, if you're trying to get people to stalk, harass, intimidate, or incite violence. Like, babe, I feel like what he did would technically, potentially be illegal.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the Justice Department is all over this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right to that. The president, can you imagine if that's what brought him down? Doxing. Doxing Senator Tom Cotton over the Sunshine Protection Act.
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Speaker 1: Again, the Justice Department would have to prosecute, yes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.
00:21:08
Speaker 1: They're busy with David Hearn. Still trying to get him. Oh, my goodness.
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Speaker 2: All right. With that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.