Dec. 23, 2025
“Our President Also Shares Our Love Of Young, Nubile Girls”: Jeffrey Epstein To Convicted Pedophile Larry Nassar
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RSS Feed The Department of Justice sent out a tweet before releasing more than 30,000 new documents from the Epstein files, saying some of the documents contain “untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump.” The documents in fact, do contain damning documents from an apparent suicide note from Epstein to Nassar along with flight logs that show Trump on Epstein’s private plane more times than previously known, apparently with alleged Epstein victims. While the President is NOT accused of doing anything criminal, it is certainly raising a number of questions. Also, in today’s document dump, a jaw dropping email reportedly from former Prince Andrew to Ghislane Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, December twenty third, and as we speak, we have journalists, hundreds, thousands, maybe of journalists all over this country pouring through tens of thousands of new documents and the Epstein files that have just been released as a matter of hours ago. And you will not believe the headlines coming out of this stuff right now. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. We did not We had a whole other plan of episodes we were going to do today and this stuff started coming out. Tell me what your headline is right now. As we're very familiar with this story, it takes a lot for us to go, wait, what what would you say is your headline right now that jumps out, jaw dropping you.
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Speaker 2: I would just say that I cannot believe that the President of the United States is now being tied pretty dramatically, not only to a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein, perhaps the world's most notorious pedophile at this point, and now Larry Nasser is involved, and there was basically what amounts to a suicide note sent to Naser with President Trump's name in it. That is about as big of a headline as I could think of.
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear there to just make sure that letter was sent to Nasser. It mentions the president, but it doesn't have his name in it. We need to make clear it says the president urse And we also need to make clear that there's nothing we have seen that suggests any criminal behavior, criminal activity, or any suggestion that the president was on an investigation. Now that we've got that out of the way, Robes, the point you are making, I think might be the headline. We have what appears to be Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note that he wrote to a fellow pedophile.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it just says our president what and at that time it was President Trump. Now, yes, that is shocking that the two were even conversing, and the fact that this was a note that he sent that actually ended up where it I guess he was in a different dress, so it got returned to sender.
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Speaker 3: But by the time it was postmark, Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Was already dead. And for anyone who had questions, and I will admit I was in that camp. I was not convinced that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, I haven't been. But when I read this note, I said, Wow, it's true, Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, those are the two. There's going to be plenty more throughout the day. Really were talking tens of thousands of documents, and you have journalists all over the country trying to pour through this stuff. So let's we just wanted to hop on and give you what everybody is talking about right now. Two things in particular. One, the letter we're talking about, I guess looks more like a postcard that he wrote on. Yes, all right, Jeffrey Epstein wrote to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, Yes, the infamous Larry Nasser, who was spending one hundred years in prison essentially right now, for sexual assault for child pornography for was it decade?
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Speaker 2: It was. He was charged with sexual assault for more than two hundred and sixty five women and girls over a twenty two year period. Yes, he was a prolific sexual predator.
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Speaker 1: That guy. So yes, Jeffrey Epstein wrote to him in what is now being interpreted as a suicide note. We are going to read that full text in just a second. The other big thing jumping out is an email that shows appears to show Trump was on Epstein's plane quite a bit in a three year period. We will explain. This is an email that came from a US Assistant District attorney talking to someone but explaining we reviewed these filed these logs and it appears he was on the plane a lot, and they lay that out. Those are the other two big headlines. There's also a Prince Andrew headline. We will definitely get to in this one as well, but let's stay focused with this NASA letter. Rose. Reminder of who this guy is. I don't remember the names in particular, but he was worked for the US Olympic team. He worked for Michigan State for a long time. But there are a couple of Olympians who came out publicly, stood up, testified. So yeah, this guy abused me.
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Speaker 2: He was the US Gymnastics Olympic team's doctor. These are young girls who are not taken away, but they live away from their family to solely focus on becoming elite olympians. And so yes, they are separated from families at young ages to focus on their gymnastics career. And he had full access to them as their doctor, and he betrayed their trust and abused them.
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Speaker 3: Repeated.
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Speaker 1: So that's the guy we were talking about, and a lot of you will remember that story. Again, he has a state charges, federal charges, the equivalent of I really do think it's one hundred and fifty years plus is what he ended up being sentenced to.
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Speaker 2: So go ahead, yes, no, I can tell you because I just actually looked sixty years in prison initially, then an additional forty to one hundred and twenty five years to be served consecutively. So it was the de facto life in prison without parole sentence. Yes, a lot of years plus he will die behind bars.
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Speaker 1: So the text of this again it looks like a postcard. They have the actual image, not just the text of it. But Jeffrey Epstein, days before he died, composed this thing to send to Larry Nasser, who was at another prison at the time. Why we don't know, and I want to make sure it wrote. I didn't see anywhere about them having a previous relationship. Why he reached out to this guy, we will never know. But he wrote this thing, he sent it, but because of the delays and its prison mail, it's not exactly known to be on time, so there was a delay. So the thing didn't actually get postmarked till after Jeffrey Epstein was dead. So the text of this is going to be interpreted, is going to be analyzed, going to be talked about for quite a while.
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Speaker 3: Babe, I have chills.
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Speaker 2: I have chills reading all of this that's just come out, which proves the point that everyone was saying, this is an everything. This can't be everything. Who's hiding something? These emails and text prove that. Okay, Here is the text of the letter that Jeffrey Epstein wrote to Larry Nasser. As you will know by now, I have taken the short root home and he put short root in quotes good luck. We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they reached their full potential. Our president also shares our love of young Newbile girls. When a young beauty walked by, he loved to grab snatch, whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system. Life is unfair, yours, Jay Epstein. Holy moully, I want to use an expletive, but I'm not. That is in insane.
00:06:57
Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, if he doesn't know this man, why is he writing this man, why would you write a fellow like to commiserate? Only he can understand. Really, there might be some people in our lives. You might reach out to another breast cancer survivor people do that all the time, do people? Is he really thinking he's looking for someone who has gone through what he's gone through and just reached out to what he thought was a friend.
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Speaker 3: There are a couple of theories. Either they did know each other.
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Speaker 2: Do we know whether or not they didn't? Okay, so they could have known each other. They could have admired each other's work. Like murderers and serial murderers and people who are deviants, maybe all fine companionship with one another or shared experiences or shared deviances, and obviously wanting to be with young girls.
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Speaker 3: And that you're a pedophile.
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Speaker 2: So do all pedophiles do they feel like they share a love of the same thing. But to me, it seems as though obviously he knew he was going to kill himself at this point. It clearly states you by now you'll know I've taken in the short road home, so short route home. So he was planning to kill himself. So was this a way also to take Trump with him. Was this a way to did he hope that someone would find this and then go after Trump?
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Speaker 3: Was this also a kind of final fu to Trump?
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Speaker 1: Who knows?
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Speaker 3: Because they had fallen out.
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Speaker 1: This man is sitting in prison. Who knows. We will never know what's in this man's head. It I don't know. He could have He could have buried this guy a long time ago, it seems like, and he chose not to. But there, even here, he could have been more direct, He could have been more accusatory, he could have been more clear. I don't know if he had intentions. I don't know. We of course, we won't know. This is what it is, and it looks awful. It is one of the most awful things to have come out about the relationship between these two men.
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Speaker 2: It's I mean, you might I think you could call this a smoking gun because he was about to die and he knew it, and he wanted to send this letter. This was what he wanted to send. This is how he wanted to go out. He wanted this to be known. But also he wouldn't have known that Larry Nasser. Imagine if Larry Nasser was at the address he sent this to, and Larry Nasser received this postcard, this note. Would we have ever seen it? It just so happens that he was moved, was no longer at that address, and it got returned to sender. And that is why we're all aware of this right now.
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Speaker 1: But they read mail, They read your mail in prison. Now at the time this was sent twenty nineteen, did everybody piece it together and was well aware? If a prison guard read this and said our president, would they really think much of him? That oooh I got something here?
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Speaker 3: No, it depends on the guard.
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Speaker 1: Larry Nasser would have received it. Would he immediately understood and ran out and said, hey, check this out and try to make a deal.
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Speaker 3: Probably not?
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Speaker 1: Probably not? Who knows? Did he ever expect this to go out? So if you didn't expect it to go out, what was his intent in sending it to this man? I have no idea, But this is fascinating in robes. Isn't this the day?
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Speaker 2: You know what?
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Speaker 1: Before I say that statement, I'm gonna save that statement because it's going to make more sense when we go through this next headline that people are talking about. And this is an email. Now, this email is dated January seventh of twenty twenty. This is from a US attorney for the Southern District, an assistant assistant US attorney who has apparently reviewed call excuse not call logs flight logs of Epstein as a part of putting together and trying to go after Galine Maxwell and trying to build a case. Now, we don't know. I think it's right Robes. We don't know who this was sent to.
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Speaker 3: It's blocked out, it's redacted.
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Speaker 1: There we go, so we know it came from the US attorney assistant attorney. Damn, go right ahead.
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Speaker 2: This is dated on January seventh, twenty twenty, at seven fifty six pm. For your situational awareness, wanted to let you know that the flight records we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously has been reported or that we were aware, including during the period we would expect to charge in a Maxwell case. In particular, he is listed as a passenger on at least eight flights between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six, including at least four flights on which Maxwell was also present. He is listed as having traveled with, among others, and at various times Marlon Maples, his daughter Tiffany, and his son Eric. On one flight in nineteen ninety three, he and Epstein are the only two listed passengers. On another, the only three passengers are Epstein, Trump, and then twenty year old name redacted. On two other flights, two of the passengers rescis, respectively, were women who would be possible witnesses in a Maxwell case. Whoof We've just finished reviewing the full records, more than one hundred pages of very small script, and didn't want any of this to be a surprise down the road. And it is signed the name redacted. But then you see assistant US Attorney Southern.
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Speaker 3: District of New York. How did this not get out sooner?
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Speaker 1: This is solid as it gets in terms of uh, it's okay, there we go, all right now? I believe Trump said he never went to Epstein Island. I'm not sure if he's all the time has denied ever setting foot on that plane. I don't know if he has. I don't think he has, But I don't think we knew this. This is as solid as it gets. Now you say smoking gun again. He is not accused of any criminal activity. There's been no investigation no one has said that, but ropes, I don't know how you explain this away. How do you explain being on this man's playing that many times? Again? This so this isn't really being disputed. Nobody could dispute this, right.
00:13:08
Speaker 3: No, this seems pretty factual.
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Speaker 2: Ye.
00:13:11
Speaker 1: Again, the US Attorney they're looking into this, and they're actually trying to build a case against somebody else and say, hey, just heads up, I'm looking at this law Who.
00:13:18
Speaker 2: Did they send this to? That's the interesting thing. Why was that person's name redacted? Why shouldn't we know who the US it's the assistant US Attorney to the Southern District of New York. Why don't we know their names? They're not victims, they're not potential victims, and they could potentially be held accountable for some sort of not cover up, but certainly trying to keep certain information on.
00:13:44
Speaker 3: The down low. Is that okay? Is that acceptable?
00:13:48
Speaker 1: He was the president at the time, right, so twenty twenty he lost and then twenty one, yeah, so he was president still at the time, first term. This appears so yeah, and this is not how do you speculative? I don't like doing that.
00:14:01
Speaker 3: I don't either.
00:14:02
Speaker 1: The point here being. This is written as if it's a hey, heads up, yeah, so it would be somebody in the president's circle. Hey, just want you to know. I'm looking into this thing and I found this stuff.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think that we as Americans should know who this was sent to?
00:14:20
Speaker 1: I do who in it took. Maybe it was his lawyer, and that's why we shouldn't know that. I don't know that. Why they chose to redact, I don't know. But this is as damning as anything that we have seen in these files. This is as damning as anything that's been out there, because this is not speculation. These are facts. These are written, These are set in stone heart some con cred wording about at least the relationship. But again, we always have to be careful. He'll ropes that he is not accused of anything criminal and nothing wrong. Excuse me, nothing criminally wrong, I should say, and we have to say that. But this is the day that we've had so and trust me, folks, as we are speaking, folks are pouring through these things now, Rhodes, I said this to you first, before some of this stuff came out. I said, they are already defending themselves before we even know what the hell's in there.
00:15:13
Speaker 2: You said, there must be something really sensational going on, because we were out running errants early in the morning before the snow hit New York. And you said, babe, the Department of Justice just put out a tweet that makes me think something big is about to happen, And you were correct. Here was the Department of Justice's tweet earlier this morning. The Department of Justice has officially released nearly thirty thousand more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the twenty twenty election. To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a shred of credibility they serve would have been weabonized against President Trump already, nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency. That's hilarious because you were forced to sorry, well, that's a fair laugh. The DOJ is releasing these documents with the legally required protections for Epstein's victims.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, before we even started reading anything from the files today, they sent that out and we knew something had to be coming, and much more might be coming. Romes because by all accounts, President Trump's name appears multiple times and the people are just trying to find the right context for it. But folks, stay here. You didn't think we were going to get through all these pages without a Prince Andrew reference? Did you stay here? Hey? Folks? We continue on this, hey, yeah, Christmas Eve Eve, and a lot of journalists are spending their Christmas Eve Eve not out shopping, not online shopping, but staring at a screen and going through tens of thousands of pages. That robes quite frankly. Even the fact that the pages came out today is mean they broke the law because they were supposed to be out Friday. And what are we getting a trickle? This is the third dump they have done, so I guess maybe they feel is I don't know. I mean, Chuck Schumer is trying to go after them. He wants to pass legislation now to force what is it? He what's the thing he wants, Chuck Schumer the resolution we're talking about it.
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Speaker 2: He wants to enforce the act which said that they had to the Department of Justice had to release all of the Epstein files and because they didn't. Now he wants to put more legislation forward that would actually create a punishment for not actually delivering on the law that was set in place for them to be transparent.
00:17:52
Speaker 1: And what was the other one of the two sponsors? They all contempt.
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Speaker 2: They want to hold Attorney General Pam Bondi in contempt. Actually some specific that would that hasn't been actually done in modern times, but would actually put her in prison until all of the files are released.
00:18:09
Speaker 1: All right, folks, you all know the name boal Moral. People know that name by.
00:18:12
Speaker 3: No I think so, and especially royal followers know beal Moral.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: You know bout moral. I only bring that up because you're gonna need to recognize that as we go.
00:18:19
Speaker 3: In on Queen Scottish residents. But she spends her summers.
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Speaker 1: Mora's it's it's their hampton. So the summer it's.
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Speaker 3: There's Scottish Highlands Hampton's Okay.
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Speaker 1: That's where they hang out. Well, I'll only say that because it's there's a reference to it in this email we're about to let you here. Now, this is an email between what is believed I say that Robes I think most are reporting it as fact that this was Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew.
00:18:47
Speaker 3: Andrew, the former Prince Andrew, what is his friend?
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Speaker 1: First and last night? I don't know if I always want to call him Badminton, this.
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Speaker 2: Is it's something close to that. But this is interesting because when you see the from Andrew, former Prince Andrew's actual email is creepy, right, the invisible man we creepy. God, that's creepy. And then it's too Gallaine Maxwell and the subject is summer camp.
00:19:17
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds fun, sounds innocent enough.
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Speaker 3: This is disgusting.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: It was sent on Thursday, August sixteenth, two thousand and one.
00:19:26
Speaker 1: Oh, it's anniversary of Elvis Presley's death. I'm sorry. It was just a random fact I saw from August sixteenth, because I'm trying to lighten the mood before people get pissed about what they're about to hear.
00:19:37
Speaker 3: This is disgusting. Woof Okay, so.
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Speaker 1: What everywhere I think? Is this the one? This is the one that a lot of people, a lot of journalists, they actually gave you a warning before you read this. It's like, hey, you're going to have a difficult time or warning this could be triggering a graph for graphic or something. This is I actually did this.
00:19:55
Speaker 3: I told you like it.
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Speaker 2: Literally feel emotional reading this because it's so disgusting. So this is reportedly from the former Prince Andrew to Gallaine Maxwell. He writes, I am up here at Balmoral summer camp for the royal family. I don't know how that isn't Prince Andrew. Sorry, activities take place all day and I am totally exhausted at the end of each day. The girls are completely shattered and I will have to give them an early night today as it is getting tiring splitting them up all the time. How's la, Have you found me some new inappropriate friends? Let me know when you are coming over, as I am free from the twenty fifth of August until the second of September and want to go somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Hot and sunny with some fun.
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Speaker 2: People before having to put my nose firmly to the grindstone for the fall.
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Speaker 1: And this was Glaine Maxwell's response to that. So sorry to disappoint you, However, the truth must be told. I have owned been able to find appropriate friends this on their own ropes. They don't. There's not an admission. There's not a confession. There's not a smoking gun necessarily, but as we peel this onion and piece that together with the rest of the story, we know that paints a very clear picture of what they're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Inappropriate equals underage, appropriate means age appropriate. That's awfully, that's mine, that's most people's, that's most people's understanding of what that means coming from the invisible man. So their jargon isn't exactly indiscernible. I think, yes, we can't say for sure. Legally it wouldn't it wouldn't be enough, but common sense will tell you we can understand what that code word actually insinuates or means.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Folks, this is going to be a day, and it might be a couple of days, but these are a lot of pages to go over. And what we can tell you that independent agencies are going through it, and they're all coming out with the same headlines. They're seeing the same stuff, and they are finding the same stuff that is newsworthy, new headline making jaw dropping even in some cases. But I think this robes today. This might be the worst Epstein File day that the president has.
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Speaker 3: Had, oh without a doubt.
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Speaker 2: And I actually was just imagining the mixed emotions that the victims must feel. This must feel so validating and at the same time so infuriating.
00:22:39
Speaker 3: That it has to be both of those feelings.
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Speaker 2: But they're powerful and look, at the end of the day, the truth is coming out.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: This will not be the last day, no doubt of this, folks. We will hop back on if needed. We didn't expect to be doing this, but this is actually a story that is ongoing as we speak. Top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app where you see our show page that button it says follow. You get that you can always get our updates as we put them out, and there might be another Epstein one today. But as always, we appreciate you spending the time here with us on TJ Holmes on the Average, Amy Robots. We'll talk to us soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, December twenty third, and as we speak, we have journalists, hundreds, thousands, maybe of journalists all over this country pouring through tens of thousands of new documents and the Epstein files that have just been released as a matter of hours ago. And you will not believe the headlines coming out of this stuff right now. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. We did not We had a whole other plan of episodes we were going to do today and this stuff started coming out. Tell me what your headline is right now. As we're very familiar with this story, it takes a lot for us to go, wait, what what would you say is your headline right now that jumps out, jaw dropping you.
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Speaker 2: I would just say that I cannot believe that the President of the United States is now being tied pretty dramatically, not only to a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein, perhaps the world's most notorious pedophile at this point, and now Larry Nasser is involved, and there was basically what amounts to a suicide note sent to Naser with President Trump's name in it. That is about as big of a headline as I could think of.
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear there to just make sure that letter was sent to Nasser. It mentions the president, but it doesn't have his name in it. We need to make clear it says the president urse And we also need to make clear that there's nothing we have seen that suggests any criminal behavior, criminal activity, or any suggestion that the president was on an investigation. Now that we've got that out of the way, Robes, the point you are making, I think might be the headline. We have what appears to be Jeffrey Epstein's suicide note that he wrote to a fellow pedophile.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and it just says our president what and at that time it was President Trump. Now, yes, that is shocking that the two were even conversing, and the fact that this was a note that he sent that actually ended up where it I guess he was in a different dress, so it got returned to sender.
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Speaker 3: But by the time it was postmark, Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Was already dead. And for anyone who had questions, and I will admit I was in that camp. I was not convinced that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, I haven't been. But when I read this note, I said, Wow, it's true, Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, those are the two. There's going to be plenty more throughout the day. Really were talking tens of thousands of documents, and you have journalists all over the country trying to pour through this stuff. So let's we just wanted to hop on and give you what everybody is talking about right now. Two things in particular. One, the letter we're talking about, I guess looks more like a postcard that he wrote on. Yes, all right, Jeffrey Epstein wrote to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, Yes, the infamous Larry Nasser, who was spending one hundred years in prison essentially right now, for sexual assault for child pornography for was it decade?
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Speaker 2: It was. He was charged with sexual assault for more than two hundred and sixty five women and girls over a twenty two year period. Yes, he was a prolific sexual predator.
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Speaker 1: That guy. So yes, Jeffrey Epstein wrote to him in what is now being interpreted as a suicide note. We are going to read that full text in just a second. The other big thing jumping out is an email that shows appears to show Trump was on Epstein's plane quite a bit in a three year period. We will explain. This is an email that came from a US Assistant District attorney talking to someone but explaining we reviewed these filed these logs and it appears he was on the plane a lot, and they lay that out. Those are the other two big headlines. There's also a Prince Andrew headline. We will definitely get to in this one as well, but let's stay focused with this NASA letter. Rose. Reminder of who this guy is. I don't remember the names in particular, but he was worked for the US Olympic team. He worked for Michigan State for a long time. But there are a couple of Olympians who came out publicly, stood up, testified. So yeah, this guy abused me.
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Speaker 2: He was the US Gymnastics Olympic team's doctor. These are young girls who are not taken away, but they live away from their family to solely focus on becoming elite olympians. And so yes, they are separated from families at young ages to focus on their gymnastics career. And he had full access to them as their doctor, and he betrayed their trust and abused them.
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Speaker 3: Repeated.
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Speaker 1: So that's the guy we were talking about, and a lot of you will remember that story. Again, he has a state charges, federal charges, the equivalent of I really do think it's one hundred and fifty years plus is what he ended up being sentenced to.
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Speaker 2: So go ahead, yes, no, I can tell you because I just actually looked sixty years in prison initially, then an additional forty to one hundred and twenty five years to be served consecutively. So it was the de facto life in prison without parole sentence. Yes, a lot of years plus he will die behind bars.
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Speaker 1: So the text of this again it looks like a postcard. They have the actual image, not just the text of it. But Jeffrey Epstein, days before he died, composed this thing to send to Larry Nasser, who was at another prison at the time. Why we don't know, and I want to make sure it wrote. I didn't see anywhere about them having a previous relationship. Why he reached out to this guy, we will never know. But he wrote this thing, he sent it, but because of the delays and its prison mail, it's not exactly known to be on time, so there was a delay. So the thing didn't actually get postmarked till after Jeffrey Epstein was dead. So the text of this is going to be interpreted, is going to be analyzed, going to be talked about for quite a while.
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Speaker 3: Babe, I have chills.
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Speaker 2: I have chills reading all of this that's just come out, which proves the point that everyone was saying, this is an everything. This can't be everything. Who's hiding something? These emails and text prove that. Okay, Here is the text of the letter that Jeffrey Epstein wrote to Larry Nasser. As you will know by now, I have taken the short root home and he put short root in quotes good luck. We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they reached their full potential. Our president also shares our love of young Newbile girls. When a young beauty walked by, he loved to grab snatch, whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls of the system. Life is unfair, yours, Jay Epstein. Holy moully, I want to use an expletive, but I'm not. That is in insane.
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Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, if he doesn't know this man, why is he writing this man, why would you write a fellow like to commiserate? Only he can understand. Really, there might be some people in our lives. You might reach out to another breast cancer survivor people do that all the time, do people? Is he really thinking he's looking for someone who has gone through what he's gone through and just reached out to what he thought was a friend.
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Speaker 3: There are a couple of theories. Either they did know each other.
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Speaker 2: Do we know whether or not they didn't? Okay, so they could have known each other. They could have admired each other's work. Like murderers and serial murderers and people who are deviants, maybe all fine companionship with one another or shared experiences or shared deviances, and obviously wanting to be with young girls.
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Speaker 3: And that you're a pedophile.
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Speaker 2: So do all pedophiles do they feel like they share a love of the same thing. But to me, it seems as though obviously he knew he was going to kill himself at this point. It clearly states you by now you'll know I've taken in the short road home, so short route home. So he was planning to kill himself. So was this a way also to take Trump with him. Was this a way to did he hope that someone would find this and then go after Trump?
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Speaker 3: Was this also a kind of final fu to Trump?
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Speaker 1: Who knows?
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Speaker 3: Because they had fallen out.
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Speaker 1: This man is sitting in prison. Who knows. We will never know what's in this man's head. It I don't know. He could have He could have buried this guy a long time ago, it seems like, and he chose not to. But there, even here, he could have been more direct, He could have been more accusatory, he could have been more clear. I don't know if he had intentions. I don't know. We of course, we won't know. This is what it is, and it looks awful. It is one of the most awful things to have come out about the relationship between these two men.
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Speaker 2: It's I mean, you might I think you could call this a smoking gun because he was about to die and he knew it, and he wanted to send this letter. This was what he wanted to send. This is how he wanted to go out. He wanted this to be known. But also he wouldn't have known that Larry Nasser. Imagine if Larry Nasser was at the address he sent this to, and Larry Nasser received this postcard, this note. Would we have ever seen it? It just so happens that he was moved, was no longer at that address, and it got returned to sender. And that is why we're all aware of this right now.
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Speaker 1: But they read mail, They read your mail in prison. Now at the time this was sent twenty nineteen, did everybody piece it together and was well aware? If a prison guard read this and said our president, would they really think much of him? That oooh I got something here?
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Speaker 3: No, it depends on the guard.
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Speaker 1: Larry Nasser would have received it. Would he immediately understood and ran out and said, hey, check this out and try to make a deal.
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Speaker 3: Probably not?
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Speaker 1: Probably not? Who knows? Did he ever expect this to go out? So if you didn't expect it to go out, what was his intent in sending it to this man? I have no idea, But this is fascinating in robes. Isn't this the day?
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Speaker 2: You know what?
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Speaker 1: Before I say that statement, I'm gonna save that statement because it's going to make more sense when we go through this next headline that people are talking about. And this is an email. Now, this email is dated January seventh of twenty twenty. This is from a US attorney for the Southern District, an assistant assistant US attorney who has apparently reviewed call excuse not call logs flight logs of Epstein as a part of putting together and trying to go after Galine Maxwell and trying to build a case. Now, we don't know. I think it's right Robes. We don't know who this was sent to.
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Speaker 3: It's blocked out, it's redacted.
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Speaker 1: There we go, so we know it came from the US attorney assistant attorney. Damn, go right ahead.
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Speaker 2: This is dated on January seventh, twenty twenty, at seven fifty six pm. For your situational awareness, wanted to let you know that the flight records we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously has been reported or that we were aware, including during the period we would expect to charge in a Maxwell case. In particular, he is listed as a passenger on at least eight flights between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six, including at least four flights on which Maxwell was also present. He is listed as having traveled with, among others, and at various times Marlon Maples, his daughter Tiffany, and his son Eric. On one flight in nineteen ninety three, he and Epstein are the only two listed passengers. On another, the only three passengers are Epstein, Trump, and then twenty year old name redacted. On two other flights, two of the passengers rescis, respectively, were women who would be possible witnesses in a Maxwell case. Whoof We've just finished reviewing the full records, more than one hundred pages of very small script, and didn't want any of this to be a surprise down the road. And it is signed the name redacted. But then you see assistant US Attorney Southern.
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Speaker 3: District of New York. How did this not get out sooner?
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Speaker 1: This is solid as it gets in terms of uh, it's okay, there we go, all right now? I believe Trump said he never went to Epstein Island. I'm not sure if he's all the time has denied ever setting foot on that plane. I don't know if he has. I don't think he has, But I don't think we knew this. This is as solid as it gets. Now you say smoking gun again. He is not accused of any criminal activity. There's been no investigation no one has said that, but ropes, I don't know how you explain this away. How do you explain being on this man's playing that many times? Again? This so this isn't really being disputed. Nobody could dispute this, right.
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Speaker 3: No, this seems pretty factual.
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Speaker 2: Ye.
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Speaker 1: Again, the US Attorney they're looking into this, and they're actually trying to build a case against somebody else and say, hey, just heads up, I'm looking at this law Who.
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Speaker 2: Did they send this to? That's the interesting thing. Why was that person's name redacted? Why shouldn't we know who the US it's the assistant US Attorney to the Southern District of New York. Why don't we know their names? They're not victims, they're not potential victims, and they could potentially be held accountable for some sort of not cover up, but certainly trying to keep certain information on.
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Speaker 3: The down low. Is that okay? Is that acceptable?
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Speaker 1: He was the president at the time, right, so twenty twenty he lost and then twenty one, yeah, so he was president still at the time, first term. This appears so yeah, and this is not how do you speculative? I don't like doing that.
00:14:01
Speaker 3: I don't either.
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Speaker 1: The point here being. This is written as if it's a hey, heads up, yeah, so it would be somebody in the president's circle. Hey, just want you to know. I'm looking into this thing and I found this stuff.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think that we as Americans should know who this was sent to?
00:14:20
Speaker 1: I do who in it took. Maybe it was his lawyer, and that's why we shouldn't know that. I don't know that. Why they chose to redact, I don't know. But this is as damning as anything that we have seen in these files. This is as damning as anything that's been out there, because this is not speculation. These are facts. These are written, These are set in stone heart some con cred wording about at least the relationship. But again, we always have to be careful. He'll ropes that he is not accused of anything criminal and nothing wrong. Excuse me, nothing criminally wrong, I should say, and we have to say that. But this is the day that we've had so and trust me, folks, as we are speaking, folks are pouring through these things now, Rhodes, I said this to you first, before some of this stuff came out. I said, they are already defending themselves before we even know what the hell's in there.
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Speaker 2: You said, there must be something really sensational going on, because we were out running errants early in the morning before the snow hit New York. And you said, babe, the Department of Justice just put out a tweet that makes me think something big is about to happen, And you were correct. Here was the Department of Justice's tweet earlier this morning. The Department of Justice has officially released nearly thirty thousand more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the twenty twenty election. To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and if they had a shred of credibility they serve would have been weabonized against President Trump already, nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency. That's hilarious because you were forced to sorry, well, that's a fair laugh. The DOJ is releasing these documents with the legally required protections for Epstein's victims.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, before we even started reading anything from the files today, they sent that out and we knew something had to be coming, and much more might be coming. Romes because by all accounts, President Trump's name appears multiple times and the people are just trying to find the right context for it. But folks, stay here. You didn't think we were going to get through all these pages without a Prince Andrew reference? Did you stay here? Hey? Folks? We continue on this, hey, yeah, Christmas Eve Eve, and a lot of journalists are spending their Christmas Eve Eve not out shopping, not online shopping, but staring at a screen and going through tens of thousands of pages. That robes quite frankly. Even the fact that the pages came out today is mean they broke the law because they were supposed to be out Friday. And what are we getting a trickle? This is the third dump they have done, so I guess maybe they feel is I don't know. I mean, Chuck Schumer is trying to go after them. He wants to pass legislation now to force what is it? He what's the thing he wants, Chuck Schumer the resolution we're talking about it.
00:17:28
Speaker 2: He wants to enforce the act which said that they had to the Department of Justice had to release all of the Epstein files and because they didn't. Now he wants to put more legislation forward that would actually create a punishment for not actually delivering on the law that was set in place for them to be transparent.
00:17:52
Speaker 1: And what was the other one of the two sponsors? They all contempt.
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Speaker 2: They want to hold Attorney General Pam Bondi in contempt. Actually some specific that would that hasn't been actually done in modern times, but would actually put her in prison until all of the files are released.
00:18:09
Speaker 1: All right, folks, you all know the name boal Moral. People know that name by.
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Speaker 3: No I think so, and especially royal followers know beal Moral.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: You know bout moral. I only bring that up because you're gonna need to recognize that as we go.
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Speaker 3: In on Queen Scottish residents. But she spends her summers.
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Speaker 1: Mora's it's it's their hampton. So the summer it's.
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Speaker 3: There's Scottish Highlands Hampton's Okay.
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Speaker 1: That's where they hang out. Well, I'll only say that because it's there's a reference to it in this email we're about to let you here. Now, this is an email between what is believed I say that Robes I think most are reporting it as fact that this was Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew.
00:18:47
Speaker 3: Andrew, the former Prince Andrew, what is his friend?
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Speaker 1: First and last night? I don't know if I always want to call him Badminton, this.
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Speaker 2: Is it's something close to that. But this is interesting because when you see the from Andrew, former Prince Andrew's actual email is creepy, right, the invisible man we creepy. God, that's creepy. And then it's too Gallaine Maxwell and the subject is summer camp.
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Speaker 1: You know, it sounds fun, sounds innocent enough.
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Speaker 3: This is disgusting.
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Speaker 2: It was sent on Thursday, August sixteenth, two thousand and one.
00:19:26
Speaker 1: Oh, it's anniversary of Elvis Presley's death. I'm sorry. It was just a random fact I saw from August sixteenth, because I'm trying to lighten the mood before people get pissed about what they're about to hear.
00:19:37
Speaker 3: This is disgusting. Woof Okay, so.
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Speaker 1: What everywhere I think? Is this the one? This is the one that a lot of people, a lot of journalists, they actually gave you a warning before you read this. It's like, hey, you're going to have a difficult time or warning this could be triggering a graph for graphic or something. This is I actually did this.
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Speaker 3: I told you like it.
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Speaker 2: Literally feel emotional reading this because it's so disgusting. So this is reportedly from the former Prince Andrew to Gallaine Maxwell. He writes, I am up here at Balmoral summer camp for the royal family. I don't know how that isn't Prince Andrew. Sorry, activities take place all day and I am totally exhausted at the end of each day. The girls are completely shattered and I will have to give them an early night today as it is getting tiring splitting them up all the time. How's la, Have you found me some new inappropriate friends? Let me know when you are coming over, as I am free from the twenty fifth of August until the second of September and want to go somewhere.
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Speaker 3: Hot and sunny with some fun.
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Speaker 2: People before having to put my nose firmly to the grindstone for the fall.
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Speaker 1: And this was Glaine Maxwell's response to that. So sorry to disappoint you, However, the truth must be told. I have owned been able to find appropriate friends this on their own ropes. They don't. There's not an admission. There's not a confession. There's not a smoking gun necessarily, but as we peel this onion and piece that together with the rest of the story, we know that paints a very clear picture of what they're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Inappropriate equals underage, appropriate means age appropriate. That's awfully, that's mine, that's most people's, that's most people's understanding of what that means coming from the invisible man. So their jargon isn't exactly indiscernible. I think, yes, we can't say for sure. Legally it wouldn't it wouldn't be enough, but common sense will tell you we can understand what that code word actually insinuates or means.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Folks, this is going to be a day, and it might be a couple of days, but these are a lot of pages to go over. And what we can tell you that independent agencies are going through it, and they're all coming out with the same headlines. They're seeing the same stuff, and they are finding the same stuff that is newsworthy, new headline making jaw dropping even in some cases. But I think this robes today. This might be the worst Epstein File day that the president has.
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Speaker 3: Had, oh without a doubt.
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Speaker 2: And I actually was just imagining the mixed emotions that the victims must feel. This must feel so validating and at the same time so infuriating.
00:22:39
Speaker 3: That it has to be both of those feelings.
00:22:41
Speaker 2: But they're powerful and look, at the end of the day, the truth is coming out.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: This will not be the last day, no doubt of this, folks. We will hop back on if needed. We didn't expect to be doing this, but this is actually a story that is ongoing as we speak. Top right corner of your Apple Podcasts app where you see our show page that button it says follow. You get that you can always get our updates as we put them out, and there might be another Epstein one today. But as always, we appreciate you spending the time here with us on TJ Holmes on the Average, Amy Robots. We'll talk to us soon.