Nov. 18, 2025
O.J. Simpson Estate Agrees To Pay Family of Ron Goldman 31 Years After His Death
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RSS Feed It’s a headline three decades in the making. The executor of the O.J. Simpson estate has publicly acknowledged it owes $58 million dollars to the family of Ron Goldman, but the most the family might ever see would be between $500,000 and $1,000,000, and even that might be a long shot. The Goldman’s have to essentially “get in line” with other creditors, including the IRS, following the death of Simpson last year. This all stems from the civil case where Simpson was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, the jury awarding the families $33.5 million dollars at the time. Right now, Simpson’s estate is auctioning off Simpson’s remaining memorabilia to try and raise enough cash to pay down its debts, but turned down a very high profile offer from Kim Kardashian, who was looking to purchase a very sentimental item for her family.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It's Tuesday, November eighteen, and a big headline for Ron Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, thirty one years after the death of his son O J. Simpson's estate finally agrees to pay him and with that everyone, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. This is a man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing trying to get some sort of justice for the death of his son, and it seems as though he may get a part partial justice, perhaps is what we might call it?
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Speaker 2: Is that what we call this If he'd have gotten every single dime of that money that initial judgment thirty plus million.
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Speaker 3: Would that it felt like justice?
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Speaker 2: I would argue, No, like you said, some semblance of some little I guess something that you could say you had a win. I mean, the win was in court. Him paying isn't the win, I guess, But I guess that judgment originally was the only thing they had, which was a legal court proceeding that said that O. J. Simpson was responsible for killing Ron Goldman. That was the biggest moment probably for this family.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you think about it, This is a family that has been dealt a series of somewhat wins and obviously a significant loss when OJ Simpson was found not guilty for the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. But then yes, they get the civil judgment with a huge payout that they never received. Then OJ Simpson finally does go to prison, but not for the crime of murder, but for burglary for sealing back his own stuff. So yes, he goes behind bars, but not for the reasons why the Goldman family would have wanted. And then he dies before any of this actually happens in his lifetime. So yeah, it's like some wins but a lot of losses. But today or at least this headline has to be some sort of a victory for the family.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems weird to talk about it in wins and losses. I know what you're saying, but yes, to your point, it was that moment in court that everybody saw right when he was not guilty was the biggest possible loss. But still, even today we are thirty plus years later, O J. Simpson has never been criminally held responsible for the deaths of his ex wife and Ron Goleman. That is just a fact that will stand for all time for this family. So when they can get something, when they can get a victory in court, when I guess when he went back to prison, when I mean, I don't want to say that anybody celebrated his death, but there was anybody on the planet who I could imagine hurt least in hearing that old J.
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Speaker 3: Simpson was dead. It might have been that family.
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Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed. And so this latest headline is that OJ Simpson's estate has accepted a claim for fifty eight million dollars. Ron Goldman originally had wanted one hundred and seventeen million. That's what he had done, the math he had done with all the interests he said had accrued. OJ Simpson's estate said, yeah, we think your math might be a little off, so we will agree to fifty eight. However, and there is a big however, we don't even have even anywhere close to that amount of money in the estate to give you. I think they're saying they might be able to scrape together anywhere between five hundred thousand and a million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Now I saw this as well. He said scrape together. That might be all they got. And that doesn't mean they're going to get every dime of it. If they document every single dime to OJ Simpson's name that's left over, there's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of the Goldmans who need to get paid first.
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Speaker 1: Including the irs. I believe they said the OJ Simpson estate owes around six hundred and forty thousand dollars in taxes to the state of California, and that would have to be the priority. Makes sense.
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Speaker 2: This is what happened, right the headline and I get it. It is a major headline that the Simpson of state. It almost sounds like there is an admission of guilt or we're saying, okay that this is no What this is is what so many people in this country go through every single day having to do with probate court. This is really a civil matter where they're trying to hunt down the estate of someone who has died. They're essentially a creditor at this point, and everybody's coming after this estate because he's died and we want our money, and this is a part of the process. Ropes this almost I know the headlines are where they are. This seems like even a bigger headache, like, oh my god, they got to deal with this now.
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Speaker 1: Now, now we're finally hearing that you are acknowledging that you owe us money, and you're saying you're going to try to pay us what you can. But yeah, we're in line, and we're at the back of the line. Look, Fred Goldman and his family, they I mean, when I was working at the Today Show sometimes I felt like they were on once a month trying to continue putting a spotlight on OJ Simpson almost in a weird way, publicly shaming him for not actually giving the money to them that they are owed that a court mandated he paid them back, and would complain about how he basically found a way to live off of other people, like gifts, things that weren't financially trans like that weren't transactions that he could say, oh, I earned this money, now I owe this to you, So he found ways to get around.
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Speaker 3: They couldn't touch his NFL pension.
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Speaker 1: He could not touch his NFL pension.
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Speaker 2: Du spoke a cigars. They see him playing golf. You owe us thirty plus million, and he is seemingly at least was going about his life. So this moment, for that reason is a significant one headline wise, but in reality, I don't know how much of a difference this now makes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think in tone it was striking to me. And look the initial response from the executor of OJ Simpson's estate the day after his death. I actually read what he said, and it's pretty remarkable given that he said this in April of twenty twenty four, and now we have the headline we have to day. His statement was, it's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero them specifically, and I will do everything in my capacity as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure they get nothing. That was what he said the day after O. J.
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Speaker 2: Simpson died, and that could still stand. I mean, this does not mean a check book is about to get opened up at all. So to your point, he might not have gone too far from that. And again there was a timeline after his debt was an April.
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Speaker 1: Year, April of twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Okay, he died April last year.
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Speaker 2: This put a whole bunch of things into motion, and that's why we are at this point. It's not like the Goldmans, this is some renewed effort. They have not stopped.
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Speaker 1: They never let go the moment we.
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Speaker 2: Found out about the death of Ron Goldman. This family has had one mission and is to go after oh J. Simpson, and they have not stopped for that. I give them all the credit in the world.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. Yes, it is three decades unrelenting, and I do I do want to point out that same executor because that was quite the statement, he said. A short time later, he did express regret for speaking so forcibly, and so he said, in hindsight in response to that statement, it's my hope they get zero nothing. I think that was pretty harsh, he admitted, and he said, now that I understand my role as the executor and the personal representative, it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get down to what my role is as a personal represent It's interesting because it felt as though, and look, yes, the Goldmans and Fred Goldman specifically and the sister were very very aggressive in their media campaign against OJ Simpson, trying to get some sort of justice, but there seemed to be a real personal hatred not just from Fred Goldman and family towards OJ Simpson, but reciproably as well OJ Simpson, and certainly hearing that from his executor. Clearly that was the tone in which he said he did not want to give a dime a nickel to Fred never ever. So this there was an emotional feud going on between those two.
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Speaker 2: And look, by his death changed some things, right, it changed They didn't have that target. Necessarily, you don't have a human being to direct your focus. So now it's the estate, and I think, look, these are the executor has a specific job, and it's not to defend a legacy. It's not to offend oj Simpson criminally. It's essentially to handle your personal financial affairs. And this estate has things it has to answer for legally or it's going to be in trouble. His job is to make sure it's handled one of those things. All these creditors came running after his death. One of them was Ron Golman. Do you acknowledge this debt or not? They officially acknowledged yep, we owe money.
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Speaker 3: Is what happened, and.
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Speaker 1: That's a big deal.
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Speaker 3: They have officially acknowledged we legally. Oh, mister Goldman, this money is he gonna get it? Don't know.
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Speaker 2: But this it's funny how something that is that so many Americans are dealing with day in, day out having to do with trying to track down money. You're old in probate court now has ballooned into this headline making thing that is in a lot of ways mundane and routine.
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Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, it.
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Speaker 2: Is historically significant to one of the biggest cases we have maybe ever watched in this cause you.
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Speaker 1: Were just rewatching a fascinating documentary about this case and we still are learning things that we didn't know at the time, even though this trial was on television every single day, from the police chase and the White Bronco to the actual day in and day out with Judge Edo with Marsha Clark and Johnny Cockran. I mean, there was never a trial like this, the attention to focus the details that we all think we know. There's still still information that we're finding out.
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Speaker 2: Courage, everybody watch that documentary with the people. You know which one is it. It's called It's on Netflix now, it's the most It's the latest O. J.
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Speaker 3: Simpson documentary. And I was, you know that we were in Sweden.
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Speaker 2: I was watching it every morning as I was taking a shower and was going to it while.
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Speaker 1: You were playing it and coming and going, wait, what did they just say?
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Speaker 2: And I swear to you in the first forty five minutes, I came to you, I said, oh my god, he absolutely did it.
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Speaker 3: I have no quo, there's nothing to talk about.
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Speaker 2: I came back to you the next episode and I said, Sweetart, I don't know if he did it. It was you heard so many things that it was wild. So I encourage everybody to listen to it. But Robes, one of the most striking parts of that was Ron Goldman's sister, who everybody you know her face, We're so familiar with her at this point, but she said the reason she was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none of you all are going to talk about my brother. It'll all be about OJ and Nicole. To hear her say that, now combined with this story, lets you know this is a family who would not let it go. And more power to them. And if this is another moment where they can say we got a victory, knock yourself out. I don't think they ever gave a damn about the money.
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Speaker 1: Oh I don't think they'll probably end up donating it to charity. What would you do with that money? Don't blood money.
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Speaker 3: What do you want?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want? Donated to the domestic violence something or the other. They would probably do. So it's not about that at all. It is just an acknowledgement that this man has been held responsible and he never paid for it, right, paid with jail time?
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Speaker 3: Nope?
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Speaker 1: Nope?
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Speaker 2: So how can he pay for it? He'd have to literally pay with money. This is the only option now if they get some money. This is the first time that wow, he's paid for his crime.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And so we've heard from the executor of the Oja estate that they are and have been over since he died, trying to auction off many of his items, some of the memorabilia, to try and raise funds to pay off the irs and eventually perhaps to pay off the gold Men's.
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Speaker 2: Would you keep one if you had an opportunity, if somebody said the OJ heisman, would you keep any part of OJ Simpson sports memorabilia?
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Speaker 1: I personally would not, would.
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Speaker 3: You seems weird? It seems weird if.
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Speaker 1: You have gobsmacks of mine and you're having a house party and you want to say, hey, look what I got. We've all met those people. They have a treasure trove in their palatial house somewhere, and they want to show you the room they have with pictures of them with famous people and memorabilia from people who did far greater things than they did, to say, look what I got, Look what I bought, Look what I paid for.
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Speaker 2: Then they take you down to the basement and then a room off to the side of the back of the basement. You go into that and then they punch in a code and then the wall opens up and you go, holy shit, you got that?
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Speaker 1: Or the time when they ask you to leave the room while they open the safe just in case you might see you.
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Speaker 3: Remember that, Yes, these people, so you know those.
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Speaker 1: People, We aren't those people.
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Speaker 2: What we're saying, what anybody this memorability we're talking about he's trying to sell?
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Speaker 3: Who would you do?
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Speaker 1: There is someone who wanted to buy a piece of the memorabilia for very personal reasons and was turned down, and she talked about it in one of the latest episodes of Keeping Up with the kr Dash and continuing our conversation about one of the biggest most recent headlines regarding OJ Simpson since his death, Truly, his estate has finally agreed to pay Ron Goldman's family some of the money they owe from that civil judgment that was from back in what nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six, ninety seven, so thirty one years since Ron Goldman's death, the Goldman family is finally getting word from the OJ state that yes, we acknowledge we owe you money somewhere around fifty eight million dollars. They're probably at best, if ever, going to get around five hundred thousand to a million according to the executor of the will. But that's about as good as it gets.
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Speaker 3: Right, do I have it right?
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Speaker 2: That's all he's worse, right, That's all they're saying he's worth, is that if they gave him every dime, the most they get is a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Read it seemed to be. That's what it seems to be the case. And they are in the process of auctioning off what was in this estate. In OJ's estate and among the prized possessions was a Bible. And it wasn't just any bible. It was a Bible gifted to OJ Simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Senior, and of course the father, the late father of Kim Kardashian the Kardashian clan, so they sold the Bible. But before when Kim Kardashian heard, Hey, they're selling the Bible my father gave to OJ, she says she wanted to buy it for her sister for a birthday present, because they wanted to bring the Bible back into their family, and she says the OJ estate rejected her offer period. She offered to buy the book, she says, for fifteen thousand dollars, and says she was willing to negotiate. She was turned out.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she could have gone higher than the fifteen She.
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Speaker 1: Said she was willing to go up to thirty thousand, but was never even given the opportunity to negotiate. And that's what upset her. She said, I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity, okay.
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Speaker 2: And she's the only one we got an answer for. We haven't got an official reason from the estate.
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Speaker 1: For well, I've had an official reason from the state, the executor said, in response to Kim's complaint, which again she just last week said this all on keeping up with the Kardashians. So here's the deal. The Bible ended up being sold in auction for eighty thousand dollars plus. Again, pretty sure Kim Kardashian could afford that, but she offered fifteen to thirty, said that she was willing to negotiate. She also was upset that that somehow got leaked online that she didn't want that to be out there. So somehow someone put it out there that she made an offer, and maybe they were trying to embarrasser because it was so low compared to what it actually ended, showing that for I.
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Speaker 2: Don't like all that's petty, But point being, does that not make sense? If they understood it, they could get more than the fifteen? Why not wait for auction?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: Correct? So that's basically what the executor said. He said, why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars of estate money? Why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars in attorney's fees to sell it to Kim for fifteen thousand dollars. I don't know that attorney's fees are that much money to negotiate a sale, but that's what he said. And he said, that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand that part with the I don't understand that part.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was saying that it would cost him fifteen thousand dollars to sell it to her for fifteen thousand dollars. That makes no sense to me. I don't know how these sorts of things go and what the fees are attached to it. But that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. But he said basically he would end up with nothing if he sold it to her for fifteen so he didn't even entertain the offer.
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Speaker 2: Wait, there's no explanation for how that goes down with the No, I haven't known a sale. If there's a you know sometimes broker's fees when it comes to auctions. Is that a party it was going through there?
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Speaker 3: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't understand it because usually when I sell something, I say do you want this? They say yes, I want this much. They say I'll give you this much, and then we're done. It usually can be wrapped up in a tax exchange.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so this is where it is. But it was interesting Kim actually talked about especially why this Bible was important to them. Her father actually wrote an inscription in the Bible to oj that it said this is after the verdict. God has a definite plan for your life. You are his child, and he will use you again. And she just thought that it was really special. But her father wrote that and they wanted it back in their family. I don't know if there was a consideration that should have been given. I think it would have been the right thing to do to negotiate with her and say, hey, this is probably going to go for X, Y and Z. Can you match that? Obviously she could have if she wanted it, But she claims he never even negotiated with her.
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Speaker 2: And again I don't know how much more of that, how much I don't know anything personal. If there is anything untoward, anything behind the scenes or personal related to that, or it was just a business decision, I don't know. And again, that was Oj Simpsons. This was OJ's Bible, It was in his possession. This is his thing. It's not her da. She has no right or entitlement to it. Now from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family who has a use for it.
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Speaker 3: Now do they who.
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Speaker 2: Would want or maybe they would I assume everything in his estate they would get first DIBs on.
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Speaker 3: Is that fair to say?
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Speaker 1: I would think unless they know that they owe enough people enough money that they can't justify handing out memorabilia for emotional reasons or emotional attachments. They actually need to find the highest bidder or the highest price that would be paid, and she would in order to meet the obligations that are clearly there.
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Speaker 3: I hear that. Or maybe she's rugal.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Kim Kardashian, you don't get that rich by throwing away money. We see a lot of stuff she does, and oh wow, she's spending money on that, But she's, hey, fifteen as high as I'm going to go.
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Speaker 3: I respect that.
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Speaker 1: I would think one of her dresses in her closet is more than that. But that's just a guess.
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Speaker 3: But I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: This just leans more into my new public discovery that I have a parasocial relationship with Kim kardaction.
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Speaker 1: That's for another podcast, but I would like to get into that a little bit more deeply. That would be of great interest to me. But look, this was a fascinating story. It's a it's a case that has captivated this country for three decades and this is the latest development and certainly for the Goldman family, and it's interesting. We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have not They're not a part of this. I think they have. We haven't heard from them trying to get their share of the money. I haven't heard one case of that. Actually, oh oh they didn't.
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Speaker 2: This was all this was the Goldman. This was the Goldman family that went this route against him. So now they're not. You know, I haven't heard a whole lot about the Simpson, the gold Brown Simpsons family years. But this is just to think thirty years later, this is still making headlines for even the most minute things like something like this, which is literally a legal technical process that they're going through, but it's a very big deal because of what we're talking about. This is the OJ Simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the headline here is that the old J.
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Speaker 3: Simpson is.
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Speaker 2: Acknowledging that he owes a debt to the family of Ron Goldman.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for a crumb of justice period at this point after all these years, and we will continue to follow this because this is not, as you pointed out, over yet. We have to wait and see if the money is there and if that money will actually be handed over. But in the meantime, we thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It's Tuesday, November eighteen, and a big headline for Ron Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, thirty one years after the death of his son O J. Simpson's estate finally agrees to pay him and with that everyone, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. This is a man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing trying to get some sort of justice for the death of his son, and it seems as though he may get a part partial justice, perhaps is what we might call it?
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Speaker 2: Is that what we call this If he'd have gotten every single dime of that money that initial judgment thirty plus million.
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Speaker 3: Would that it felt like justice?
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Speaker 2: I would argue, No, like you said, some semblance of some little I guess something that you could say you had a win. I mean, the win was in court. Him paying isn't the win, I guess, But I guess that judgment originally was the only thing they had, which was a legal court proceeding that said that O. J. Simpson was responsible for killing Ron Goldman. That was the biggest moment probably for this family.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you think about it, This is a family that has been dealt a series of somewhat wins and obviously a significant loss when OJ Simpson was found not guilty for the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. But then yes, they get the civil judgment with a huge payout that they never received. Then OJ Simpson finally does go to prison, but not for the crime of murder, but for burglary for sealing back his own stuff. So yes, he goes behind bars, but not for the reasons why the Goldman family would have wanted. And then he dies before any of this actually happens in his lifetime. So yeah, it's like some wins but a lot of losses. But today or at least this headline has to be some sort of a victory for the family.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems weird to talk about it in wins and losses. I know what you're saying, but yes, to your point, it was that moment in court that everybody saw right when he was not guilty was the biggest possible loss. But still, even today we are thirty plus years later, O J. Simpson has never been criminally held responsible for the deaths of his ex wife and Ron Goleman. That is just a fact that will stand for all time for this family. So when they can get something, when they can get a victory in court, when I guess when he went back to prison, when I mean, I don't want to say that anybody celebrated his death, but there was anybody on the planet who I could imagine hurt least in hearing that old J.
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Speaker 3: Simpson was dead. It might have been that family.
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Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed. And so this latest headline is that OJ Simpson's estate has accepted a claim for fifty eight million dollars. Ron Goldman originally had wanted one hundred and seventeen million. That's what he had done, the math he had done with all the interests he said had accrued. OJ Simpson's estate said, yeah, we think your math might be a little off, so we will agree to fifty eight. However, and there is a big however, we don't even have even anywhere close to that amount of money in the estate to give you. I think they're saying they might be able to scrape together anywhere between five hundred thousand and a million dollars.
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Speaker 2: Now I saw this as well. He said scrape together. That might be all they got. And that doesn't mean they're going to get every dime of it. If they document every single dime to OJ Simpson's name that's left over, there's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of the Goldmans who need to get paid first.
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Speaker 1: Including the irs. I believe they said the OJ Simpson estate owes around six hundred and forty thousand dollars in taxes to the state of California, and that would have to be the priority. Makes sense.
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Speaker 2: This is what happened, right the headline and I get it. It is a major headline that the Simpson of state. It almost sounds like there is an admission of guilt or we're saying, okay that this is no What this is is what so many people in this country go through every single day having to do with probate court. This is really a civil matter where they're trying to hunt down the estate of someone who has died. They're essentially a creditor at this point, and everybody's coming after this estate because he's died and we want our money, and this is a part of the process. Ropes this almost I know the headlines are where they are. This seems like even a bigger headache, like, oh my god, they got to deal with this now.
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Speaker 1: Now, now we're finally hearing that you are acknowledging that you owe us money, and you're saying you're going to try to pay us what you can. But yeah, we're in line, and we're at the back of the line. Look, Fred Goldman and his family, they I mean, when I was working at the Today Show sometimes I felt like they were on once a month trying to continue putting a spotlight on OJ Simpson almost in a weird way, publicly shaming him for not actually giving the money to them that they are owed that a court mandated he paid them back, and would complain about how he basically found a way to live off of other people, like gifts, things that weren't financially trans like that weren't transactions that he could say, oh, I earned this money, now I owe this to you, So he found ways to get around.
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Speaker 3: They couldn't touch his NFL pension.
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Speaker 1: He could not touch his NFL pension.
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Speaker 2: Du spoke a cigars. They see him playing golf. You owe us thirty plus million, and he is seemingly at least was going about his life. So this moment, for that reason is a significant one headline wise, but in reality, I don't know how much of a difference this now makes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think in tone it was striking to me. And look the initial response from the executor of OJ Simpson's estate the day after his death. I actually read what he said, and it's pretty remarkable given that he said this in April of twenty twenty four, and now we have the headline we have to day. His statement was, it's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero them specifically, and I will do everything in my capacity as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure they get nothing. That was what he said the day after O. J.
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Speaker 2: Simpson died, and that could still stand. I mean, this does not mean a check book is about to get opened up at all. So to your point, he might not have gone too far from that. And again there was a timeline after his debt was an April.
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Speaker 1: Year, April of twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Okay, he died April last year.
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Speaker 2: This put a whole bunch of things into motion, and that's why we are at this point. It's not like the Goldmans, this is some renewed effort. They have not stopped.
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Speaker 1: They never let go the moment we.
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Speaker 2: Found out about the death of Ron Goldman. This family has had one mission and is to go after oh J. Simpson, and they have not stopped for that. I give them all the credit in the world.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. Yes, it is three decades unrelenting, and I do I do want to point out that same executor because that was quite the statement, he said. A short time later, he did express regret for speaking so forcibly, and so he said, in hindsight in response to that statement, it's my hope they get zero nothing. I think that was pretty harsh, he admitted, and he said, now that I understand my role as the executor and the personal representative, it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get down to what my role is as a personal represent It's interesting because it felt as though, and look, yes, the Goldmans and Fred Goldman specifically and the sister were very very aggressive in their media campaign against OJ Simpson, trying to get some sort of justice, but there seemed to be a real personal hatred not just from Fred Goldman and family towards OJ Simpson, but reciproably as well OJ Simpson, and certainly hearing that from his executor. Clearly that was the tone in which he said he did not want to give a dime a nickel to Fred never ever. So this there was an emotional feud going on between those two.
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Speaker 2: And look, by his death changed some things, right, it changed They didn't have that target. Necessarily, you don't have a human being to direct your focus. So now it's the estate, and I think, look, these are the executor has a specific job, and it's not to defend a legacy. It's not to offend oj Simpson criminally. It's essentially to handle your personal financial affairs. And this estate has things it has to answer for legally or it's going to be in trouble. His job is to make sure it's handled one of those things. All these creditors came running after his death. One of them was Ron Golman. Do you acknowledge this debt or not? They officially acknowledged yep, we owe money.
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Speaker 3: Is what happened, and.
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Speaker 1: That's a big deal.
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Speaker 3: They have officially acknowledged we legally. Oh, mister Goldman, this money is he gonna get it? Don't know.
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Speaker 2: But this it's funny how something that is that so many Americans are dealing with day in, day out having to do with trying to track down money. You're old in probate court now has ballooned into this headline making thing that is in a lot of ways mundane and routine.
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Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, it.
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Speaker 2: Is historically significant to one of the biggest cases we have maybe ever watched in this cause you.
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Speaker 1: Were just rewatching a fascinating documentary about this case and we still are learning things that we didn't know at the time, even though this trial was on television every single day, from the police chase and the White Bronco to the actual day in and day out with Judge Edo with Marsha Clark and Johnny Cockran. I mean, there was never a trial like this, the attention to focus the details that we all think we know. There's still still information that we're finding out.
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Speaker 2: Courage, everybody watch that documentary with the people. You know which one is it. It's called It's on Netflix now, it's the most It's the latest O. J.
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Speaker 3: Simpson documentary. And I was, you know that we were in Sweden.
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Speaker 2: I was watching it every morning as I was taking a shower and was going to it while.
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Speaker 1: You were playing it and coming and going, wait, what did they just say?
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Speaker 2: And I swear to you in the first forty five minutes, I came to you, I said, oh my god, he absolutely did it.
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Speaker 3: I have no quo, there's nothing to talk about.
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Speaker 2: I came back to you the next episode and I said, Sweetart, I don't know if he did it. It was you heard so many things that it was wild. So I encourage everybody to listen to it. But Robes, one of the most striking parts of that was Ron Goldman's sister, who everybody you know her face, We're so familiar with her at this point, but she said the reason she was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none of you all are going to talk about my brother. It'll all be about OJ and Nicole. To hear her say that, now combined with this story, lets you know this is a family who would not let it go. And more power to them. And if this is another moment where they can say we got a victory, knock yourself out. I don't think they ever gave a damn about the money.
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Speaker 1: Oh I don't think they'll probably end up donating it to charity. What would you do with that money? Don't blood money.
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Speaker 3: What do you want?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want? Donated to the domestic violence something or the other. They would probably do. So it's not about that at all. It is just an acknowledgement that this man has been held responsible and he never paid for it, right, paid with jail time?
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Speaker 3: Nope?
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Speaker 1: Nope?
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Speaker 2: So how can he pay for it? He'd have to literally pay with money. This is the only option now if they get some money. This is the first time that wow, he's paid for his crime.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And so we've heard from the executor of the Oja estate that they are and have been over since he died, trying to auction off many of his items, some of the memorabilia, to try and raise funds to pay off the irs and eventually perhaps to pay off the gold Men's.
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Speaker 2: Would you keep one if you had an opportunity, if somebody said the OJ heisman, would you keep any part of OJ Simpson sports memorabilia?
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Speaker 1: I personally would not, would.
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Speaker 3: You seems weird? It seems weird if.
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Speaker 1: You have gobsmacks of mine and you're having a house party and you want to say, hey, look what I got. We've all met those people. They have a treasure trove in their palatial house somewhere, and they want to show you the room they have with pictures of them with famous people and memorabilia from people who did far greater things than they did, to say, look what I got, Look what I bought, Look what I paid for.
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Speaker 2: Then they take you down to the basement and then a room off to the side of the back of the basement. You go into that and then they punch in a code and then the wall opens up and you go, holy shit, you got that?
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Speaker 1: Or the time when they ask you to leave the room while they open the safe just in case you might see you.
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Speaker 3: Remember that, Yes, these people, so you know those.
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Speaker 1: People, We aren't those people.
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Speaker 2: What we're saying, what anybody this memorability we're talking about he's trying to sell?
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Speaker 3: Who would you do?
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Speaker 1: There is someone who wanted to buy a piece of the memorabilia for very personal reasons and was turned down, and she talked about it in one of the latest episodes of Keeping Up with the kr Dash and continuing our conversation about one of the biggest most recent headlines regarding OJ Simpson since his death, Truly, his estate has finally agreed to pay Ron Goldman's family some of the money they owe from that civil judgment that was from back in what nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six, ninety seven, so thirty one years since Ron Goldman's death, the Goldman family is finally getting word from the OJ state that yes, we acknowledge we owe you money somewhere around fifty eight million dollars. They're probably at best, if ever, going to get around five hundred thousand to a million according to the executor of the will. But that's about as good as it gets.
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Speaker 3: Right, do I have it right?
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Speaker 2: That's all he's worse, right, That's all they're saying he's worth, is that if they gave him every dime, the most they get is a million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Read it seemed to be. That's what it seems to be the case. And they are in the process of auctioning off what was in this estate. In OJ's estate and among the prized possessions was a Bible. And it wasn't just any bible. It was a Bible gifted to OJ Simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Senior, and of course the father, the late father of Kim Kardashian the Kardashian clan, so they sold the Bible. But before when Kim Kardashian heard, Hey, they're selling the Bible my father gave to OJ, she says she wanted to buy it for her sister for a birthday present, because they wanted to bring the Bible back into their family, and she says the OJ estate rejected her offer period. She offered to buy the book, she says, for fifteen thousand dollars, and says she was willing to negotiate. She was turned out.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she could have gone higher than the fifteen She.
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Speaker 1: Said she was willing to go up to thirty thousand, but was never even given the opportunity to negotiate. And that's what upset her. She said, I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity, okay.
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Speaker 2: And she's the only one we got an answer for. We haven't got an official reason from the estate.
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Speaker 1: For well, I've had an official reason from the state, the executor said, in response to Kim's complaint, which again she just last week said this all on keeping up with the Kardashians. So here's the deal. The Bible ended up being sold in auction for eighty thousand dollars plus. Again, pretty sure Kim Kardashian could afford that, but she offered fifteen to thirty, said that she was willing to negotiate. She also was upset that that somehow got leaked online that she didn't want that to be out there. So somehow someone put it out there that she made an offer, and maybe they were trying to embarrasser because it was so low compared to what it actually ended, showing that for I.
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Speaker 2: Don't like all that's petty, But point being, does that not make sense? If they understood it, they could get more than the fifteen? Why not wait for auction?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: Correct? So that's basically what the executor said. He said, why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars of estate money? Why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars in attorney's fees to sell it to Kim for fifteen thousand dollars. I don't know that attorney's fees are that much money to negotiate a sale, but that's what he said. And he said, that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand that part with the I don't understand that part.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was saying that it would cost him fifteen thousand dollars to sell it to her for fifteen thousand dollars. That makes no sense to me. I don't know how these sorts of things go and what the fees are attached to it. But that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. But he said basically he would end up with nothing if he sold it to her for fifteen so he didn't even entertain the offer.
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Speaker 2: Wait, there's no explanation for how that goes down with the No, I haven't known a sale. If there's a you know sometimes broker's fees when it comes to auctions. Is that a party it was going through there?
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Speaker 3: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't understand it because usually when I sell something, I say do you want this? They say yes, I want this much. They say I'll give you this much, and then we're done. It usually can be wrapped up in a tax exchange.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so this is where it is. But it was interesting Kim actually talked about especially why this Bible was important to them. Her father actually wrote an inscription in the Bible to oj that it said this is after the verdict. God has a definite plan for your life. You are his child, and he will use you again. And she just thought that it was really special. But her father wrote that and they wanted it back in their family. I don't know if there was a consideration that should have been given. I think it would have been the right thing to do to negotiate with her and say, hey, this is probably going to go for X, Y and Z. Can you match that? Obviously she could have if she wanted it, But she claims he never even negotiated with her.
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Speaker 2: And again I don't know how much more of that, how much I don't know anything personal. If there is anything untoward, anything behind the scenes or personal related to that, or it was just a business decision, I don't know. And again, that was Oj Simpsons. This was OJ's Bible, It was in his possession. This is his thing. It's not her da. She has no right or entitlement to it. Now from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family who has a use for it.
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Speaker 3: Now do they who.
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Speaker 2: Would want or maybe they would I assume everything in his estate they would get first DIBs on.
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Speaker 3: Is that fair to say?
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Speaker 1: I would think unless they know that they owe enough people enough money that they can't justify handing out memorabilia for emotional reasons or emotional attachments. They actually need to find the highest bidder or the highest price that would be paid, and she would in order to meet the obligations that are clearly there.
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Speaker 3: I hear that. Or maybe she's rugal.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Kim Kardashian, you don't get that rich by throwing away money. We see a lot of stuff she does, and oh wow, she's spending money on that, But she's, hey, fifteen as high as I'm going to go.
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Speaker 3: I respect that.
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Speaker 1: I would think one of her dresses in her closet is more than that. But that's just a guess.
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Speaker 3: But I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: This just leans more into my new public discovery that I have a parasocial relationship with Kim kardaction.
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Speaker 1: That's for another podcast, but I would like to get into that a little bit more deeply. That would be of great interest to me. But look, this was a fascinating story. It's a it's a case that has captivated this country for three decades and this is the latest development and certainly for the Goldman family, and it's interesting. We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have not They're not a part of this. I think they have. We haven't heard from them trying to get their share of the money. I haven't heard one case of that. Actually, oh oh they didn't.
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Speaker 2: This was all this was the Goldman. This was the Goldman family that went this route against him. So now they're not. You know, I haven't heard a whole lot about the Simpson, the gold Brown Simpsons family years. But this is just to think thirty years later, this is still making headlines for even the most minute things like something like this, which is literally a legal technical process that they're going through, but it's a very big deal because of what we're talking about. This is the OJ Simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the headline here is that the old J.
00:21:25
Speaker 3: Simpson is.
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Speaker 2: Acknowledging that he owes a debt to the family of Ron Goldman.
00:21:33
Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for a crumb of justice period at this point after all these years, and we will continue to follow this because this is not, as you pointed out, over yet. We have to wait and see if the money is there and if that money will actually be handed over. But in the meantime, we thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.