Jan. 15, 2026
NEW: Trump Threatens To Invoke the Insurrection Act
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RSS Feed The streets of Minneapolis are filled with heated protests following the second ICE shooting in just one week. President Trump’s threat to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to the unrest has done little to calm the tensions. Amy and T.J. go over the growing reaction to Trump’s threat and what recent polling suggests Americans feel about ICE agents in Minneapolis. ”
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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Thursday, January fifteenth. We are getting close to the evening hours sundown most places across the country as we record this, and Robed a lot of eye is going to be on Minneapolis because called it. President Trump is threatening to use the Insurrection Act. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. And like, I can't take credit for this. We should have seen this coming from him all the way.
00:00:36
Speaker 2: Well, I was actually going to give credit where credit was due, because you really did call this this morning just based on the language we were already seeing and the words they were using were by design and certainly leading up to now this announcement we got from the President on truth Social he is threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act.
00:00:57
Speaker 3: We can read his truth Social post for.
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Speaker 2: You, just to make it very clear what the president is.
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Speaker 1: Well, a reminder of what we're talking about here and where we are. There is something. There is an act, an Insurrection Act, a law. What year was it is, it's eighteen h something or nineteen oh something, the Insurrection Act that essentially allows the President of the United States to send in troops to essentially camp down or beat back an insurrection. But an insurrection has to be defined as a particular thing. There are very specific guidelines legally about what constitutes an insurrection. Yes, presidents have used the Insurrection Act in the past for some pretty extreme cases, though Robes not necessarily because there are some possible undocumented immigrants in at town.
00:01:46
Speaker 2: Yes, No, this is to quell, as you point, an insurrection, civil disorder, or an armed rebellion. And so when the president, if the president were to enact the Insurrection Act, basically the president can imp power the military to make arrests, search people, and these are things that the military is typically prohibited from doing here in the United States.
00:02:11
Speaker 3: That is to police forces.
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Speaker 2: That is left to state and local municipalities police forces, not the military, the US military.
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Speaker 3: That is a very different situation.
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Speaker 1: So he's threatened this before in other towns, and many have said for a long time he has been looking for an excuse, like just make my day kind of a thing. And they have been warning Robes, the officials in Minnesota, please everybody don't take the bait. Don't do it, because this is what they're talking about. So, yes, you and I this morning on our morning newscasts, the Morning Run, it was this morning.
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Speaker 3: Before the morning run.
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Speaker 2: We actually the overnight thing we did because we saw the unrest that was happening with this second shooting that happened Wednesday night, and so overnight Wednesday into today, protesters took to the streets and so we had a feeling. Look, now you've had two shootings in a week. Protesters were already upset. Now they're hellamad.
00:03:12
Speaker 1: So what was it? It was the Deputy ag Todd Blanche. We had some pretty strong language in a tweet in which he mentioned Minnesota insurrection. I think he used that language. He did, And then there was another official out of the White House that used some or might have been President Trump, Yes, some similar language.
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Speaker 3: Todd Todd. Yes, it was President Trump.
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Speaker 2: And Todd Blanche obviously talked about it not being a threat, that it was a promise, but he talked about Minnesota insurrection, and then he talked about Waltz and Frey, Governor Waltz Frye and Mayor Jacob Frye saying calling them terrorists, basically saying that it was domestic terrorism. We've heard that phrase thrown around now when it comes to Minnesota.
00:03:55
Speaker 3: So it's just making good.
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Speaker 1: So yes, so we were talking about that we were piecing together. They weren't necessarily bread crumbs. They were like coal slices of bread. You could follow and you knew the direction was going. So yes, we're talking about just this morning, and sure enough, like clockwork, the President gwin ahead and use the word in this truth social post. And he's made clear. We'll just have to wait to see if he makes good.
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Speaker 2: Uh. Yes, So this is what he said on true Social If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of Ice who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection Act, which many.
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Speaker 3: Presidents have done before me, and.
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Speaker 2: Quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great state. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President djt Okay.
00:04:53
Speaker 1: Well one president sent them in for well two for desegregation. Right, Hower and Kennedy. Didn't they invoke the insurrection because they needed to enforce desegregation.
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Speaker 2: Correct, And the last time it was invoked was actually in nineteen ninety two in LA with the Rodney King riots. And so the big point is most of these orders. When you actually put in an insurrection Act, it is with the cooperation of the governor, the most governors, most mayors of whatever local state or municipality.
00:05:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't want violence on their streets.
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Speaker 2: They don't want civil unrest, so they oftentimes ask the president or when this has been used before, it's been almost always in coordination with local officials, not.
00:05:41
Speaker 1: Against maybe not the southern governors.
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Speaker 3: Maybe not as much, not as much.
00:05:46
Speaker 1: But yeah, so what we're talking about, we are not saying, yes, there have been clashes and some ugly scenes. You all, everything you're saying on TV is not the same as you saw with the La riotings.
00:05:57
Speaker 2: Think about those riots, very very very different scenarios. The city was burning little and you know, the president, President Trump actually threatened to institute the Insurrection Act in George Floyd twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: He didn't end up doing it, but.
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Speaker 2: That was far worse in terms of what was happening on the streets and the violence and the looting and the unrest. That was completely much, much bigger than what we're seeing right now. I mean, you were there.
00:06:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get this under control. No no, no, no, oh, don't you were in Minneapolis. Cannot compare. Now, I wasn't there during the most heated times. Oh goodness, not at all. But I am saying, ro to make the comparison. If you didn't want to, they didn't get sent in then, I mean even then there were We haven't nowhere close, but we need to get this under control before we get there. So yes, as we're recording, this sun is going down here on the East coast, so it's getting darker across the country. And the question is what will night time bring.
00:06:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now with this threat, does that then make protesters more angry?
00:07:02
Speaker 3: Does it embolden them? Does it want to make them say, hey, let's see what you got?
00:07:06
Speaker 2: Or will they back down and react to what they are hearing from Governor Waltz, What they are now hearing from may Or Fry. They are asking protesters to bring it down. And in terms of reacting to this threat, Tim Waltz actually went on social media and he made a direct appeal to President Trump. He wrote, let's turn the temperature down. Stop this campaign of retribution.
00:07:30
Speaker 3: This is not who we are.
00:07:32
Speaker 1: Is that the only way he can get a message to the president.
00:07:34
Speaker 2: He said he tried to contact the president and had not heard back yet. And so then when Carolyn Levitch just held the press briefing, the Thursday press briefing, she was asked directly about Trump and Waltz, and she said, I don't know if Governor Waltz was even serious with what he was saying, but she confirmed that President Trump and Governor Waltz, as of that hearing, had not spoken.
00:07:57
Speaker 3: Okay, that's absurd.
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Speaker 1: When you see that's a sir, stop, that's absurd. That's the you know what that makes me feel like when the shutdown was happening and the principles weren't even talking, like the Republicans Democrats, there's a crisis right now and the principles are not talking. Check your ego with the door stop and you know when you that's why I asked, said, did he call him behind the scene? Don't put that out you're trying to do something. You're not trying to get something done. If you're provoking him in poking, say hey, I called him. He ain't hit me back. You're putting something on him. If you look to the camera and said, mister President, I'm begging you to take my call. Please, can we talk. Be that guy, be that leader, be that grown up. Put the ego aside. Did you come on? I know I don't like that he called him out.
00:08:44
Speaker 3: He did say he was waiting to hear back. Now.
00:08:47
Speaker 2: Carolyn Levitt also said this and again, this all is fanning the flames. It's fueling the fire. She said, Democratic politicians are holding their state and local law enforcement by declining to comply with federal immigration authorities sent to their cities and states by the Trump administration. So she's directly blaming as has Trump, Waltz and Fry, and they're saying, hey, we're trying to talk to you. Let's stop this campaign of retribution. You know, this is all happening after his threat, by the way, after the President went to true social And we're also hearing now from Minnesota's congressional Democrats condemning the threat that Trump made. You've got ilhan Omar not gonna help going on X calling Trump's threat a blatant act of authoritarianism or wait, authoritarianism.
00:09:38
Speaker 3: I can't talk.
00:09:39
Speaker 2: Senator Tina Smith told reporters Trumps statements amount to threats of declaring war on Minnesota. So I don't hear anybody turning the temperature down.
00:09:48
Speaker 1: It's usual. It's usual suspects, usual language, it's the you know what, I'm not going to look and I want to accuse them at this point, but this is these are one of those moments that you go to their website, so you go their newsletters and some fundraising campaign is going on as they're doing this. And okay, because we just say two names I don't want to see. But I'm cynical as hell because no, who's leading us right now? Like, who is it that's saying, Hey, everybody, let's chill. Who is who? I'm literally trying to think.
00:10:19
Speaker 3: About it, and Tim Waltz is saying it.
00:10:21
Speaker 2: But then, as you point out, it's still in a political theater because he's doing it on social media. So it's not as if there was some actual earnest attempt, and maybe there was behind the scenes and getting in touch with one another, but the fact that our leaders are acting like high schoolers who are in you know, factions and you know clicks who won't speak to each other, and literally the streets are erupting in violence, and if our leaders can't even speak to each.
00:10:49
Speaker 1: Other, you know, here's the thing, though, that those are different about this is that it's one thing of there's a crisis in a state and the governor says we need help, they'll call the talk then. But these two guys are enemies. They are actually on opposing sides of what's happening in the street. Because we have feds and locals fighting, we actually have Americans fighting each other. So I'm now I feel stupid for suggesting these two would talk because they're actually on two different sides of it. One they both are blaming each other for what's happening in the streets, and they want to make sure that the American public blames the other guy. So yeah, sorry, why are we even thinking they're gonna work together and get together. Of course they're not going to try to resolve it. Oh sorry, my bad. Scratch all that, We're silly, Scratch everything.
00:11:40
Speaker 2: It's all about re election and proving to the people who are going to head to the polls and motivating people to go to the polls that you're the reason why they want to vote. That is what this is all about and what it continues to be about.
00:11:55
Speaker 1: My mistake been a long day. I won't make that mistake again.
00:12:00
Speaker 3: But you know what there is.
00:12:01
Speaker 2: And we have been watching ugly, ugly scenes on the streets of Minneapolis today. And we've been seeing this obviously for the past seven days, but things have heated up today this afternoon especially, and now with this threat of the President invoking this act of war whatever you want to call it, but certainly an insurrection act in the state of Minnesota.
00:12:25
Speaker 3: It's not turning the temperature down.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: And so when we come back, we will tell you what is happening on the streets of Minnesota, and we will tell you there have been some recent polling about how Americans feel about ice agents in Minnesota. Will let you know what those recent polls suggest.
00:12:53
Speaker 1: All right, folks, we'll continue here on Amy and TJ. Sun going down here on the East coast, Son going to be going down across the country. I just happened to look out our window, beautiful sunset, and I just saw a plane landing over a newer airports. Sorry, I just looked up in beautiful site. But the point being, yes, it's getting dark, and what is nightfall going to bring in Minneapolis? Last I mean the last few nights, but certainly I mean last night. We woke up to the news that somebody got shot.
00:13:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is scary stuff.
00:13:22
Speaker 2: And so we've been looking at some of the local affiliates who have been out on the streets there throughout the afternoon. But they've had some ugly scenes once again, federal officials deploying what they call a chemical irritant against protesters who were gathering outside one of the federal buildings, the Whipple Federal Building.
00:13:38
Speaker 3: They're calling for ICE to leave.
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Speaker 2: They're chanting, screaming, and they've got the signs. And yes, there are reports of protesters throwing objects at ICE officers. So this is yeah, and there's video everywhere all over online. They've been described as tense standoffs between demonstrators and ICE agents. Look this and just with two shootings now in seven days, the president threatening an insurrection act, it's not going to take much for this to erupt, even for their Let's hope that isn't the case. Let's hope that these protesters listen to state officials who are now on the record. We're hearing from Fry, we're hearing from Waltz asking them to please please stand down.
00:14:20
Speaker 3: But yeah, throwing fireworks at agents.
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Speaker 2: Is not going to help things, blowing horns and whistles in their faces. They're banging you know, we've heard about they go if they find out where they're staying at their motels and hotels, and they're banging drums to keep them up all night.
00:14:36
Speaker 1: And that there are people on the other side thinking this is their not even their civic right, but almost a civic duty. This is what they have to do. They have to resist, they have to be on the side of what's right. And I mean I have to respect that. I mean, can you respectfully oppose? Can you respectfully demonstrate? I don't know, I really don't know.
00:14:56
Speaker 3: The hope is that we can here in this country.
00:14:59
Speaker 2: But it is interesting you say what's right, and everyone thinks they're on the right side of this. Recent polling on what's been happening, look one of them's from CNN, and their poll showed that fifty one percent said that the shooting was wrong and that it reflected bigger problems with the way ICE is operating. But think about that fifty one percent. That means forty nine percent thinks that it was right or that it was justified.
00:15:24
Speaker 1: What that means is where we always are evenly split like right down the middle on that even that question, we are split. We all saw the same thing, right, and half saw one way, half saw the other.
00:15:37
Speaker 3: Isn't it remarkable to see something like that?
00:15:39
Speaker 2: Now there is a new Yahoo you gov poll that showed while fifty four percent of Americans believe that ice raids have done more harm than good, so that is interesting, thirty four percent thought the opposite. So I mean, look, it'll be interesting to see where public sentiment falls. The longer this goes on, the more videos come out, and I mean people are looking to see who is behaving worse basically because yes, obviously it's hard to say someone behaved badly for a shooting, but they may be justified. And were the protesters behaving badly? Does that justify being shot? It's it's tough to say. And you know, we just can only hope for peace and calm and just a good night's rest maybe for folks.
00:16:28
Speaker 1: You know, I looked, what is this tonight? It's going to be absolutely I mean it's normal for folks there, but yeah, it's going to be feeling like in the teens tonight. As people are out there.
00:16:39
Speaker 2: You have to be pretty passionate to brave those And yes, there are party folks in Minnesota.
00:16:43
Speaker 3: They're used to the cold weather, but still cold is cold.
00:16:47
Speaker 1: To some sound different.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
00:16:51
Speaker 1: I finally got adjusted to forty five degrees here in New York. That's not the worst thing in the world. But when I first came here, I was bumbled up.
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Speaker 3: That is true.
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Speaker 1: But yes, keep your folks in Minneapolis on your mind tonight. Keep the family of Renee good And on your mind tonight. Keep the family of those the families of those ice agents on your mind tonight. All of these folks, everybody is sacrificing and hurting, and quite frankly, a lot of them in positions they didn't ask to be in. The folk who always appreciate you spending some time with us, just wanted to hop in on, hoop on and give you that update. As always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app, where you see our show page button, it says follow click that you can get our updates. A lot of breaking news updates these days, but click that we can get them coming right to you. But for now, as always, we appreciate you spending some time with us. GJ. Holmes on behalf of Amy Willbot books talk to.
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Speaker 2: You'll
Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Thursday, January fifteenth. We are getting close to the evening hours sundown most places across the country as we record this, and Robed a lot of eye is going to be on Minneapolis because called it. President Trump is threatening to use the Insurrection Act. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. And like, I can't take credit for this. We should have seen this coming from him all the way.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was actually going to give credit where credit was due, because you really did call this this morning just based on the language we were already seeing and the words they were using were by design and certainly leading up to now this announcement we got from the President on truth Social he is threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act.
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Speaker 3: We can read his truth Social post for.
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Speaker 2: You, just to make it very clear what the president is.
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Speaker 1: Well, a reminder of what we're talking about here and where we are. There is something. There is an act, an Insurrection Act, a law. What year was it is, it's eighteen h something or nineteen oh something, the Insurrection Act that essentially allows the President of the United States to send in troops to essentially camp down or beat back an insurrection. But an insurrection has to be defined as a particular thing. There are very specific guidelines legally about what constitutes an insurrection. Yes, presidents have used the Insurrection Act in the past for some pretty extreme cases, though Robes not necessarily because there are some possible undocumented immigrants in at town.
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Speaker 2: Yes, No, this is to quell, as you point, an insurrection, civil disorder, or an armed rebellion. And so when the president, if the president were to enact the Insurrection Act, basically the president can imp power the military to make arrests, search people, and these are things that the military is typically prohibited from doing here in the United States.
00:02:11
Speaker 3: That is to police forces.
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Speaker 2: That is left to state and local municipalities police forces, not the military, the US military.
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Speaker 3: That is a very different situation.
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Speaker 1: So he's threatened this before in other towns, and many have said for a long time he has been looking for an excuse, like just make my day kind of a thing. And they have been warning Robes, the officials in Minnesota, please everybody don't take the bait. Don't do it, because this is what they're talking about. So, yes, you and I this morning on our morning newscasts, the Morning Run, it was this morning.
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Speaker 3: Before the morning run.
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Speaker 2: We actually the overnight thing we did because we saw the unrest that was happening with this second shooting that happened Wednesday night, and so overnight Wednesday into today, protesters took to the streets and so we had a feeling. Look, now you've had two shootings in a week. Protesters were already upset. Now they're hellamad.
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Speaker 1: So what was it? It was the Deputy ag Todd Blanche. We had some pretty strong language in a tweet in which he mentioned Minnesota insurrection. I think he used that language. He did, And then there was another official out of the White House that used some or might have been President Trump, Yes, some similar language.
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Speaker 3: Todd Todd. Yes, it was President Trump.
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Speaker 2: And Todd Blanche obviously talked about it not being a threat, that it was a promise, but he talked about Minnesota insurrection, and then he talked about Waltz and Frey, Governor Waltz Frye and Mayor Jacob Frye saying calling them terrorists, basically saying that it was domestic terrorism. We've heard that phrase thrown around now when it comes to Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: So it's just making good.
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Speaker 1: So yes, so we were talking about that we were piecing together. They weren't necessarily bread crumbs. They were like coal slices of bread. You could follow and you knew the direction was going. So yes, we're talking about just this morning, and sure enough, like clockwork, the President gwin ahead and use the word in this truth social post. And he's made clear. We'll just have to wait to see if he makes good.
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Speaker 2: Uh. Yes, So this is what he said on true Social If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don't obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of Ice who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection Act, which many.
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Speaker 3: Presidents have done before me, and.
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Speaker 2: Quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great state. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President djt Okay.
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Speaker 1: Well one president sent them in for well two for desegregation. Right, Hower and Kennedy. Didn't they invoke the insurrection because they needed to enforce desegregation.
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Speaker 2: Correct, And the last time it was invoked was actually in nineteen ninety two in LA with the Rodney King riots. And so the big point is most of these orders. When you actually put in an insurrection Act, it is with the cooperation of the governor, the most governors, most mayors of whatever local state or municipality.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't want violence on their streets.
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Speaker 2: They don't want civil unrest, so they oftentimes ask the president or when this has been used before, it's been almost always in coordination with local officials, not.
00:05:41
Speaker 1: Against maybe not the southern governors.
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Speaker 3: Maybe not as much, not as much.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, so what we're talking about, we are not saying, yes, there have been clashes and some ugly scenes. You all, everything you're saying on TV is not the same as you saw with the La riotings.
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Speaker 2: Think about those riots, very very very different scenarios. The city was burning little and you know, the president, President Trump actually threatened to institute the Insurrection Act in George Floyd twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: He didn't end up doing it, but.
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Speaker 2: That was far worse in terms of what was happening on the streets and the violence and the looting and the unrest. That was completely much, much bigger than what we're seeing right now. I mean, you were there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get this under control. No no, no, no, oh, don't you were in Minneapolis. Cannot compare. Now, I wasn't there during the most heated times. Oh goodness, not at all. But I am saying, ro to make the comparison. If you didn't want to, they didn't get sent in then, I mean even then there were We haven't nowhere close, but we need to get this under control before we get there. So yes, as we're recording, this sun is going down here on the East coast, so it's getting darker across the country. And the question is what will night time bring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now with this threat, does that then make protesters more angry?
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Speaker 3: Does it embolden them? Does it want to make them say, hey, let's see what you got?
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Speaker 2: Or will they back down and react to what they are hearing from Governor Waltz, What they are now hearing from may Or Fry. They are asking protesters to bring it down. And in terms of reacting to this threat, Tim Waltz actually went on social media and he made a direct appeal to President Trump. He wrote, let's turn the temperature down. Stop this campaign of retribution.
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Speaker 3: This is not who we are.
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Speaker 1: Is that the only way he can get a message to the president.
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Speaker 2: He said he tried to contact the president and had not heard back yet. And so then when Carolyn Levitch just held the press briefing, the Thursday press briefing, she was asked directly about Trump and Waltz, and she said, I don't know if Governor Waltz was even serious with what he was saying, but she confirmed that President Trump and Governor Waltz, as of that hearing, had not spoken.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's absurd.
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Speaker 1: When you see that's a sir, stop, that's absurd. That's the you know what that makes me feel like when the shutdown was happening and the principles weren't even talking, like the Republicans Democrats, there's a crisis right now and the principles are not talking. Check your ego with the door stop and you know when you that's why I asked, said, did he call him behind the scene? Don't put that out you're trying to do something. You're not trying to get something done. If you're provoking him in poking, say hey, I called him. He ain't hit me back. You're putting something on him. If you look to the camera and said, mister President, I'm begging you to take my call. Please, can we talk. Be that guy, be that leader, be that grown up. Put the ego aside. Did you come on? I know I don't like that he called him out.
00:08:44
Speaker 3: He did say he was waiting to hear back. Now.
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Speaker 2: Carolyn Levitt also said this and again, this all is fanning the flames. It's fueling the fire. She said, Democratic politicians are holding their state and local law enforcement by declining to comply with federal immigration authorities sent to their cities and states by the Trump administration. So she's directly blaming as has Trump, Waltz and Fry, and they're saying, hey, we're trying to talk to you. Let's stop this campaign of retribution. You know, this is all happening after his threat, by the way, after the President went to true social And we're also hearing now from Minnesota's congressional Democrats condemning the threat that Trump made. You've got ilhan Omar not gonna help going on X calling Trump's threat a blatant act of authoritarianism or wait, authoritarianism.
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Speaker 3: I can't talk.
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Speaker 2: Senator Tina Smith told reporters Trumps statements amount to threats of declaring war on Minnesota. So I don't hear anybody turning the temperature down.
00:09:48
Speaker 1: It's usual. It's usual suspects, usual language, it's the you know what, I'm not going to look and I want to accuse them at this point, but this is these are one of those moments that you go to their website, so you go their newsletters and some fundraising campaign is going on as they're doing this. And okay, because we just say two names I don't want to see. But I'm cynical as hell because no, who's leading us right now? Like, who is it that's saying, Hey, everybody, let's chill. Who is who? I'm literally trying to think.
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Speaker 3: About it, and Tim Waltz is saying it.
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Speaker 2: But then, as you point out, it's still in a political theater because he's doing it on social media. So it's not as if there was some actual earnest attempt, and maybe there was behind the scenes and getting in touch with one another, but the fact that our leaders are acting like high schoolers who are in you know, factions and you know clicks who won't speak to each other, and literally the streets are erupting in violence, and if our leaders can't even speak to each.
00:10:49
Speaker 1: Other, you know, here's the thing, though, that those are different about this is that it's one thing of there's a crisis in a state and the governor says we need help, they'll call the talk then. But these two guys are enemies. They are actually on opposing sides of what's happening in the street. Because we have feds and locals fighting, we actually have Americans fighting each other. So I'm now I feel stupid for suggesting these two would talk because they're actually on two different sides of it. One they both are blaming each other for what's happening in the streets, and they want to make sure that the American public blames the other guy. So yeah, sorry, why are we even thinking they're gonna work together and get together. Of course they're not going to try to resolve it. Oh sorry, my bad. Scratch all that, We're silly, Scratch everything.
00:11:40
Speaker 2: It's all about re election and proving to the people who are going to head to the polls and motivating people to go to the polls that you're the reason why they want to vote. That is what this is all about and what it continues to be about.
00:11:55
Speaker 1: My mistake been a long day. I won't make that mistake again.
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Speaker 3: But you know what there is.
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Speaker 2: And we have been watching ugly, ugly scenes on the streets of Minneapolis today. And we've been seeing this obviously for the past seven days, but things have heated up today this afternoon especially, and now with this threat of the President invoking this act of war whatever you want to call it, but certainly an insurrection act in the state of Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: It's not turning the temperature down.
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Speaker 2: And so when we come back, we will tell you what is happening on the streets of Minnesota, and we will tell you there have been some recent polling about how Americans feel about ice agents in Minnesota. Will let you know what those recent polls suggest.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we'll continue here on Amy and TJ. Sun going down here on the East coast, Son going to be going down across the country. I just happened to look out our window, beautiful sunset, and I just saw a plane landing over a newer airports. Sorry, I just looked up in beautiful site. But the point being, yes, it's getting dark, and what is nightfall going to bring in Minneapolis? Last I mean the last few nights, but certainly I mean last night. We woke up to the news that somebody got shot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is scary stuff.
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Speaker 2: And so we've been looking at some of the local affiliates who have been out on the streets there throughout the afternoon. But they've had some ugly scenes once again, federal officials deploying what they call a chemical irritant against protesters who were gathering outside one of the federal buildings, the Whipple Federal Building.
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Speaker 3: They're calling for ICE to leave.
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Speaker 2: They're chanting, screaming, and they've got the signs. And yes, there are reports of protesters throwing objects at ICE officers. So this is yeah, and there's video everywhere all over online. They've been described as tense standoffs between demonstrators and ICE agents. Look this and just with two shootings now in seven days, the president threatening an insurrection act, it's not going to take much for this to erupt, even for their Let's hope that isn't the case. Let's hope that these protesters listen to state officials who are now on the record. We're hearing from Fry, we're hearing from Waltz asking them to please please stand down.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, throwing fireworks at agents.
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Speaker 2: Is not going to help things, blowing horns and whistles in their faces. They're banging you know, we've heard about they go if they find out where they're staying at their motels and hotels, and they're banging drums to keep them up all night.
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Speaker 1: And that there are people on the other side thinking this is their not even their civic right, but almost a civic duty. This is what they have to do. They have to resist, they have to be on the side of what's right. And I mean I have to respect that. I mean, can you respectfully oppose? Can you respectfully demonstrate? I don't know, I really don't know.
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Speaker 3: The hope is that we can here in this country.
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Speaker 2: But it is interesting you say what's right, and everyone thinks they're on the right side of this. Recent polling on what's been happening, look one of them's from CNN, and their poll showed that fifty one percent said that the shooting was wrong and that it reflected bigger problems with the way ICE is operating. But think about that fifty one percent. That means forty nine percent thinks that it was right or that it was justified.
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Speaker 1: What that means is where we always are evenly split like right down the middle on that even that question, we are split. We all saw the same thing, right, and half saw one way, half saw the other.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it remarkable to see something like that?
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Speaker 2: Now there is a new Yahoo you gov poll that showed while fifty four percent of Americans believe that ice raids have done more harm than good, so that is interesting, thirty four percent thought the opposite. So I mean, look, it'll be interesting to see where public sentiment falls. The longer this goes on, the more videos come out, and I mean people are looking to see who is behaving worse basically because yes, obviously it's hard to say someone behaved badly for a shooting, but they may be justified. And were the protesters behaving badly? Does that justify being shot? It's it's tough to say. And you know, we just can only hope for peace and calm and just a good night's rest maybe for folks.
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Speaker 1: You know, I looked, what is this tonight? It's going to be absolutely I mean it's normal for folks there, but yeah, it's going to be feeling like in the teens tonight. As people are out there.
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Speaker 2: You have to be pretty passionate to brave those And yes, there are party folks in Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: They're used to the cold weather, but still cold is cold.
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Speaker 1: To some sound different.
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Speaker 3: That's true.
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Speaker 1: I finally got adjusted to forty five degrees here in New York. That's not the worst thing in the world. But when I first came here, I was bumbled up.
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Speaker 3: That is true.
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Speaker 1: But yes, keep your folks in Minneapolis on your mind tonight. Keep the family of Renee good And on your mind tonight. Keep the family of those the families of those ice agents on your mind tonight. All of these folks, everybody is sacrificing and hurting, and quite frankly, a lot of them in positions they didn't ask to be in. The folk who always appreciate you spending some time with us, just wanted to hop in on, hoop on and give you that update. As always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app, where you see our show page button, it says follow click that you can get our updates. A lot of breaking news updates these days, but click that we can get them coming right to you. But for now, as always, we appreciate you spending some time with us. GJ. Holmes on behalf of Amy Willbot books talk to.
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Speaker 2: You'll