Oct. 21, 2026
NEW: Prince Harry Wants To Reconcile With Prince William, But Already Has To Clarify His Comments
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RSS Feed Prince Harry opened up in a new interview with GQ, saying “yes of course” he wants to reconcile with his brother, Prince William and his father, King Charles. As Harry was describing the relatability of complicated family dynamics, he added that “Some people don’t want to work it out. I want to work it out.” Harry’s reps have had to clarify that the Prince was NOT referring to his brother or anyone else in the royal family. In the 42 minute interview, the Duke of Sussex also revealed new details about his decision to move his family back to England and what life has been like for his kids across the pond.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, October 21st, and we are hearing from Prince Harry in a wide-ranging, brand-new interview. His first time that he's commented, really, about the relationship between him and his brother since he moved back to the UK. And it sounds like Harry is open to patch things up. William, we're not so sure. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Harry has spoken before about a desire... to reconcile with the family. And he's kind of reiterating that point. But this is a big deal. He's doing an interview now that he's moved back. And so this will be paid attention to.
00:00:40
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And it's kind of interesting because we reported it was just a couple weeks ago. He was here in New York City surrounding events at the UN. And that is when he sat down with GQ magazine.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: After we had drinks with him. But yes.
00:00:53
Speaker 2: You weren't supposed to tell anyone.
00:00:55
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, sorry. Sorry, Harry.
00:00:57
Speaker 2: But so this was all shot in late September here in New York City, but it was released officially on Tuesday, October 20th. And unfortunately, look, it was a 42-minute interview, and it was interesting, but now Harry's camp is already having to explain at least one comment. And look, I watched the whole thing. It's clear he was not Making or taking a dig at his family. That's the last thing he was trying to do. But some have already interpreted that maybe he was taking a swipe at William or at King Charles. And they had to already come out and say that's not what he meant. That's not what he said. Everything's so sensitive around this. Yes.
00:01:39
Speaker 1: You can't say anything, right? And that comment, I know you're going to talk about it, but it was a matter of if you read it in print versus if you see it. Correct. It clearly comes off.
00:01:48
Speaker 2: And I would encourage everyone to, it's actually a really interesting interview. You get to see Harry's personality. It's a very casual conversation. And mostly it was centered around this masterclass, this online masterclass he did with a famed doctor about grief and about overcoming grief and dealing with grief about the loss of his mother. So that was the main crux of the interview. But we got a lot of interesting information there. about where he and Meghan and his family is right now, that they've moved to the UK. But the biggest headlines, of course, were surrounding his relationship with the royal family.
00:02:25
Speaker 1: And again, he has hinted at this. And Robes, even if you hadn't read his comments over the past year or so or seen these, his behavior suggests he really would like to reconcile, certainly with his father. That relationship is already getting better. But man, these brothers... It seems like William is done for life with his brother. Yes.
00:02:46
Speaker 2: If you read any royal insiders who claim to have information, there's no one who has said anything other than this. Prince William and Princess Kate want nothing to do with Harry and Meghan, period. And that will be something that isn't going to change. So we shall see. Time will tell. But Harry at least seems very open to the idea of mending some of these bridges that some would argue he exploded, that he tore down.
00:03:16
Speaker 1: Or they say don't burn bridges, right?
00:03:19
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it's hard to build them back, isn't it? And Harry is experiencing that. I thought it was interesting because the conversation was around grief. The reporter was very clever in how he asked if grief, if he grieves his complicated relationship with his dad and brother. I like how he did that.
00:03:34
Speaker 1: You know, I remember doing that with Will Smith actually once. You know, if you bring up Jada and that whole situation. And I kind of remember how I said it. He said, yeah. Just trying to dip your toe in there a little bit, aren't you? They're so used to that. You see J-Lo be very good at this. They're always trying to ask her relationship questions some kind of way, and she gets it. But yes, the interviewer, I give him credit on this.
00:03:56
Speaker 2: Do you grieve your complicated relationship with your dad and brother as we talk about grief? And Harry said, yes, of course. And I thought this was cool. He acknowledged that continues to come up with me the whole time by people that I speak to. So I know how relatable it is. That's probably why there's so much fascination. And then people maybe look at us and go, how are you going to work it out? And then maybe. how I see you're going to work it out, and maybe that will help me work my stuff out. And some people don't want it to work out. I want it to work out. Of course I do. With everything else that's going on in the world, the most important thing is to reconcile. That's the key point. So it's very obvious when he's talking. He is talking about how his situation with his family, obviously relatable to so many other people who have fractures within theirs, and that he's acknowledging some people in other families don't want to work it out. They don't have a desire. But he's saying, I do. So when he was saying some people, he was talking about all those other people he was referencing who also know what it's like to have a problematic family dynamic.
00:05:04
Speaker 1: And we get that. That makes perfect sense. But if you were just reading it and saw that, some would... Maybe have taken it another way.
00:05:10
Speaker 2: Correct. That he was saying some people, meaning, well, my brother doesn't want to work it out, but I do. That is not what he was saying. So Harry's spokesperson actually had to clarify and put out this statement. Some people was absolutely not intended as a swipe at his brother or any other member of his family. The comment was made in a general context and was not directed at his family in any way.
00:05:44
Speaker 1: We get it. It's just too bad that that had to be said. But everything, every little word, everything is so sensitive. And Robes, even him putting that out probably is an indication of just how desperate he might be that he had to come out like, oh, not to be clear here. It's what a mess.
00:06:01
Speaker 2: It is. And so the interviewer then went on to ask if he thought if Harry thought he could repair the rift. that is obviously ongoing between him and soon to be one day King William. And Harry said this, look, scars stick around forever. But letting go of the past is something that I would encourage everybody to do. For me, there's enough drama in the world and enough drama in people's lives that to continue with issues with the family doesn't make sense. Look, I understand what he's saying, but it's so, I think, ironic that he's, in a way, I guess here, suggesting that William and Kate should let go of the past. that he would encourage everybody to do so. But it was his inability to let go of the past by putting it in print, by putting in his book, by giving interviews that created the situation now where there seems to be an impasse that feels impossible to overcome.
00:07:01
Speaker 1: He's telling us that they started this, but we didn't see it because that was private. We saw what he did and we read what he did publicly. And we're to a point now, Robes, where I don't even know if people are taking sides. We just want them to all be on the same side again. This is Lady Di's impact. I'm still for her sake. They're like, please, fellas, work this out.
00:07:28
Speaker 2: I do think the British people take sides, though. I think it's pretty obvious that they're on the side of Prince William and King Charles.
00:07:36
Speaker 1: Are they on the side of everybody but Meghan Markle? Like, would Prince Harry be welcomed back in with a damn parade if he left her.
00:07:45
Speaker 2: In the U.S.? You know what? Probably. I mean, we can't know for sure, but I would think that would be possible. And look, The family tensions may go back from the beginning, but they were exposed, I guess, would be the best way to put it, when they did that 2021 interview. Obviously, when they left and moved back for California and left their roles as working royals, we all were speculating, but it was confirmed in that interview with Oprah Winfrey. That started it all. I went back to kind of remember all the things they said, but Megan, the big one that everyone remembers, that there were several conversations there. within the royal family about how dark their baby might be. And then she described feeling suicidal because of how lonely she felt within the royal family. And then she... This was the big one. She denied a story that she made Princess Kate cry in the run-up to her wedding to Harry over some flower girl dresses. She said in that interview that the reverse was true, that Kate made her cry. So now you... That was tough. And Harry said in that interview that the family cut him off financially, that Charles stopped taking his call, that he felt let down by his own father, that his brother and his father were trapped within the system of the royal family. So those are things that are really hard to take back.
00:09:06
Speaker 1: The Oprah interview was a part of promoting the book, or this was just them, right? No, it was just them.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: There was nothing to promote. Oprah gets the big interview as to why they moved out of the United Kingdom, why they left their roles as working royals. And this was their explanation.
00:09:25
Speaker 1: That was awful. It was. That sit-down interview was stunning, baby. I mean, they're hurt. They feel what they feel. They have a right to say what they want to say. I don't know what happened behind the scenes to hurt you that badly. Look, we've all Robes, if folks have any ideas, some of the stuff any of us have said or done with our families and the fights that ensue and the robes, it would be ugly, nasty, terrible stuff when you keep it in-house.
00:09:54
Speaker 2: And that, look, and it's so interesting because, yes, Harry was saying that in this new interview. Like, everyone can relate. That is true. But not everybody goes and writes a memoir. And in Harry's memoir, the big incendiary thing, this thing that most people believe Prince William will never get over is, and I actually went back to look and see specifically what he wrote in Spare. but he details this physical fight that he had with his brother. He said that the fight escalated because William called Meghan Markle difficult, rude, and abrasive. And then somehow it escalated to the point where Harry claims William grabbed him by the collar, ripped his necklace off, and knocked him onto a dog bowl that cracked. He wrote about that.
00:10:42
Speaker 1: Let me go back. Were those the, those were Harry's words? Yes. That he claims William said.
00:10:47
Speaker 2: Correct.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: What were they again?
00:10:49
Speaker 2: That he called Meghan Markle difficult, rude, and abrasive.
00:10:55
Speaker 1: Man, y'all got some thin skin. I mean, come on, man. And you got in a fight with your brother. I assume you got in many over the years. Maybe this was the worst. But to call out, to blow up the royal family because of an insult to your wife. I'm, I am okay. I understand you want to defend your wife. Beat your brother's ass. Beat his ass. Beat him down. Don't go write a book. I'm saying, Robes.
00:11:23
Speaker 2: About the future king of England.
00:11:24
Speaker 1: I am not advocating for violence. I'm saying it in a brotherly type way. If you're mad at somebody, you work it out. You fight it out. If you do this, whatever it is. And again, I hope you see the tone in what I'm saying here, Robes. I'm not advocating. Go in there.
00:11:41
Speaker 2: You keep it in-house.
00:11:42
Speaker 1: A physical altercation. But if you're mad the way you say you are as a husband, I could, if you told me, Harry smacked the hell out of the future king of England. What did he do? He called his wife blank, blank, and blank. Okay. He shouldn't have done that.
00:11:58
Speaker 2: Man to man, you understand that.
00:12:00
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have done that. But Robes, I don't, and I'm sure William doesn't understand. You use that phrase, man to man. You ran and told the world about this.
00:12:11
Speaker 2: It's a betrayal.
00:12:12
Speaker 1: And Robes, I don't know what rises to the level or what should. Maybe that's it. You call my wife silly. If that, I'm offended enough that I am going to go blow up this whole thing. But even those words he's using. Rose, I was waiting on some more. Because there's some other stuff he could have thrown in there that I would have thought, wow. But she's difficult. Rose, you're difficult on most mornings before 445. I mean, what are we doing, fellas? So the fight part of it. I mean, I'm so upset that I got into a fight with my brother that I need to go write about it.
00:12:50
Speaker 2: But he's saying that William physically attacked him. And so those are serious charges. I mean, look. I'm sure. I say serious in the sense that nobody wants someone telling the world that you threw your brother down on the ground.
00:13:06
Speaker 1: The other brother could just say, yeah, we were just roughhousing like we always do. I mean, just, but hey, why would you go tell the world? I was at the house the other day and my brother beat me up because I didn't like, you ain't gonna believe what he, it comes off. I just, I'm missing something, baby.
00:13:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, for all of that to be in print, people can still pick up the book and read it now. It's not like it goes away. And so then for him, I believe the first time he officially said was on the BBC. He had an interview with them in 2025, so last year. His quote was, Harry's quote was, I would love reconciliation with my family. There's no point in continuing to fight anymore. Even that last bit is a little... that would piss me off more. Like, what do you mean there's no point in continuing to fight anymore? You're dismissing all of the actions you took to publicly air our dirty laundry.
00:13:53
Speaker 1: Has he said that publicly? I apologize. I'm sorry for putting that out.
00:13:57
Speaker 2: I never should have done that.
00:13:58
Speaker 1: He hasn't, right?
00:13:58
Speaker 2: He absolutely not.
00:13:59
Speaker 1: Isn't that what folks, don't you hate, everybody's experienced that before. Somebody will come over, pick on you, start a fight, start hitting you, start doing whatever. Or maybe even it's a verbal altercation. They start it. And then things get a little too heated and they go, ah, okay, I'm done.
00:14:13
Speaker 2: I'm out.
00:14:13
Speaker 1: I'm out. You started the fight, Harry. And now you can't just say, okay, let's stop fighting now. You started the fight.
00:14:20
Speaker 2: At least publicly. The public fight. He started the public fight. That is very true. And so look, what we know, the good news is there is certainly a better relationship with King Charles. We know that because Harry, Meghan, the kids all met with the King in July. But the relationship between Harry and William is described as distant with no contact.
00:14:40
Speaker 1: Okay. On two things there. How bad was the stuff he said about the king in the book? Was it that bad? No. Most of it was for... Harry and, excuse me.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: William and... No, and he writes that both he and William begged their father not to marry Camilla. There was a little bit of that, but there was nothing.
00:14:56
Speaker 1: You didn't even have to say that.
00:14:57
Speaker 2: Right, why? It's to sell books, and that's the problem, because it was profit. Why do you need to sell a book?
00:15:02
Speaker 1: Right.
00:15:03
Speaker 2: There was a lot of confusion as to the motivation. And look, you know I say this all the time. Before you speak, before you write, before you make a decision about what your next action is... ask yourself what your goal is. What do you want to come out of this? And I don't know what his goal was to defend himself, to defend his wife at all costs, or was it to humiliate his brother or to, I don't know, but you, I think you need to ask yourself because the consequences are real. So you better know why you're doing it.
00:15:37
Speaker 1: It can't, it's gotta be more than just sell books. It's got to be. But if it's more than that, then that means I'm meant to do harm. I needed to get this out. Then that doesn't sound right. This is such a confusing... It's tough.
00:15:51
Speaker 2: It's tough. But there were some other very interesting nuggets that came out of this latest interview with Prince Harry, including why he says he and Meghan moved back to the United Kingdom. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Prince Harry is talking for the first time on the record since moving with Meghan Markle and his two kids back to the United Kingdom. And one of the questions that I think we were all excited to hear the answer to, the interviewer asked Prince Harry, why did y'all move back to the UK in the first place? And I thought it was interesting, his first sentence. Opportunities. For the family. So he kind of stopped. And I just was wondering if there was any allusion to Megan maybe getting an acting gig or not. That's just where my brain went. He didn't go there. He then said being able to put the kids in a British school, which has meant a lot to me, I didn't know how important it was going to be. So he's very excited about having his kids have the experience of being in a British school, of having that environment. He said they've been in school for two weeks now, and they're loving it, and it's just giving them a whole different experience.
00:17:11
Speaker 1: Did you listen to the interview? I did. How did he, as he was talking, did it seem like he caught himself in the opportunities? How did it come out?
00:17:17
Speaker 2: Well, he was careful. So whenever he said opportunities for the family, and maybe he was just referring to his kids getting the opportunity to be exposed to the British way of life. But it also seemed like maybe he was saying that everybody was going to win. Everybody had a reason why it was a good thing for the family to move back. He also said one of the reasons why they moved back was to be back closer to my family and and to be back on UK soil for longer than a few days or a week here or there. So it's nice to be back. It's been nice to be close to friends and family to have endless playdates. So he is painting a very rosy picture.
00:17:57
Speaker 1: And family to have playdates?
00:17:59
Speaker 2: Well, look, I know we know that he has been at his uncle's house, Princess Diana's brother. So that might be the family he's referring to.
00:18:06
Speaker 1: Maybe some kids over.
00:18:07
Speaker 2: There, maybe. Yes, there's no reports. And they have friends over there, too. We've seen Meghan Markle out with some friends. Yes, we've seen. It seems like there was a very deliberate public, oh, look at me having lunch on my free time with Malala Yousafzai.
00:18:23
Speaker 1: That's who she hangs with. That's fine.
00:18:25
Speaker 2: It sounds like it might be a curated public. Oh, come on. opportunity for us to see her with Malala. But no, but there are other, like she's, I think, who else was she hanging out with? Was it Ellen DeGeneres? Yeah, I saw her hanging out with them too. But look, they do have, obviously he has friends, but the family I think they're referring to are the Spencers. And it's never been noted. The British press are saying that the King and Harry have had a phone conversation or two, but there's been no confirmation that they've all actually physically been in each other's presence.
00:19:00
Speaker 1: We would probably know about that, right?
00:19:01
Speaker 2: I feel like they would have found a way. Yeah, and I would think that Harry's camp would want people to know that they were all hanging out.
00:19:09
Speaker 1: He's been back, what, since late August?
00:19:12
Speaker 2: Late August. I guess they don't do Thanksgiving there, so we'll have to wait and see what's the next big holiday. Is it Christmas? To see how that evolves. And look, there's already reports that Megan's coming back to California for the holidays. What? For, I don't know, to see friends and family, but unclear what their plans are going to be.
00:19:32
Speaker 1: Where the baby's going to be. Unclear.
00:19:35
Speaker 2: Do not know.
00:19:36
Speaker 1: They're not going to do Christmas together?
00:19:38
Speaker 2: They haven't said. You know, people are always trying to figure out what their next move is.
00:19:42
Speaker 1: Will he be welcome back into that house if she's not there? Like, if she did go back for Christmas somewhere with the kids in Southern California... would they say, come on, Harry, swing by the house?
00:19:53
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. No, no, they're pretty buttoned up. But look, I think I do believe that most people are rooting for the brothers to find some way together or a path that they can walk down together. But look, I think That's tough when you have your new sister-in-law tell the world that you made her cry on her wedding day.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Oof.
00:20:17
Speaker 2: And then you have a brother saying that the other brother, you know, physically assaulted him over the way. Those are tough things to get past.
00:20:25
Speaker 1: Megan said that Kate made her cry.
00:20:28
Speaker 2: Yes. Even though the rumor was that Megan made Kate cry all of her flower girl dresses. Wow.
00:20:39
Speaker 1: It's tough.
00:20:40
Speaker 2: You know, look, you're never fighting about what you're fighting about. It's always something deeper. It's always something greater. But look, Harry is he said he's excited about the opportunities he's had. I believe what was his his quote about wanting to basically he was happy. He's happier now than he's been in 10 years. because he's getting to do what he loves. Oh, this is what he said. I'm exhausted, but the work that I do, that's the stuff that energizes me. Being around good people and trying to make an impact on the world, I'm in a much better place than I was 10 years ago.
00:21:12
Speaker 1: And that's great. That's good to hear. I hope it keeps getting better and keeps getting better for that family. And Kate, we said it before, Kate is the one who could make all this go away. She has such good favor with the British public. William and Kate are the.
00:21:27
Speaker 2: Two most popular people.
00:21:29
Speaker 1: And Kate could put her arm around Meghan and change the course of this story and change the course of history if she wanted. But given that, you just announced to the world that the person y'all love that's the future queen is a mean girl that made me cry on my wedding day. Yeah, Kate's not going to like that.
00:21:48
Speaker 2: That's tough to overcome.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: Even if it's true.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: Maybe Meghan's sensitive.
00:21:54
Speaker 1: I don't know.
00:21:55
Speaker 2: We don't know what actually happened, but we hope maybe... We'll see. This move to the UK is the first step, perhaps, in the right direction.
00:22:04
Speaker 1: And so far, so good. It hasn't been a disaster. I know that letter when he reminded everybody, just to be clear, everybody, Harry and Meghan are not with us. They are not working royals. Besides that, though, it hasn't been a disaster.
00:22:17
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. And everyone is hanging on every word that any royal says. I just saw, as we were recording this a few moments ago, a publication reporting that King Charles... Sorry, I almost said King Harry.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's hilarious.
00:22:32
Speaker 2: He's fifth in line to the throne, so never going to happen. But King Charles... just said something about his son that was nice. He was talking to some other world leader about how their sons were friends. Anyway, any mention of Harry coming out of the king's mouth will make headlines around the world. So everyone will be watching, but we can all be hoping for the best and hope that there is a way for them to all find a way forward. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, October 21st, and we are hearing from Prince Harry in a wide-ranging, brand-new interview. His first time that he's commented, really, about the relationship between him and his brother since he moved back to the UK. And it sounds like Harry is open to patch things up. William, we're not so sure. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Harry has spoken before about a desire... to reconcile with the family. And he's kind of reiterating that point. But this is a big deal. He's doing an interview now that he's moved back. And so this will be paid attention to.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And it's kind of interesting because we reported it was just a couple weeks ago. He was here in New York City surrounding events at the UN. And that is when he sat down with GQ magazine.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: After we had drinks with him. But yes.
00:00:53
Speaker 2: You weren't supposed to tell anyone.
00:00:55
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, sorry. Sorry, Harry.
00:00:57
Speaker 2: But so this was all shot in late September here in New York City, but it was released officially on Tuesday, October 20th. And unfortunately, look, it was a 42-minute interview, and it was interesting, but now Harry's camp is already having to explain at least one comment. And look, I watched the whole thing. It's clear he was not Making or taking a dig at his family. That's the last thing he was trying to do. But some have already interpreted that maybe he was taking a swipe at William or at King Charles. And they had to already come out and say that's not what he meant. That's not what he said. Everything's so sensitive around this. Yes.
00:01:39
Speaker 1: You can't say anything, right? And that comment, I know you're going to talk about it, but it was a matter of if you read it in print versus if you see it. Correct. It clearly comes off.
00:01:48
Speaker 2: And I would encourage everyone to, it's actually a really interesting interview. You get to see Harry's personality. It's a very casual conversation. And mostly it was centered around this masterclass, this online masterclass he did with a famed doctor about grief and about overcoming grief and dealing with grief about the loss of his mother. So that was the main crux of the interview. But we got a lot of interesting information there. about where he and Meghan and his family is right now, that they've moved to the UK. But the biggest headlines, of course, were surrounding his relationship with the royal family.
00:02:25
Speaker 1: And again, he has hinted at this. And Robes, even if you hadn't read his comments over the past year or so or seen these, his behavior suggests he really would like to reconcile, certainly with his father. That relationship is already getting better. But man, these brothers... It seems like William is done for life with his brother. Yes.
00:02:46
Speaker 2: If you read any royal insiders who claim to have information, there's no one who has said anything other than this. Prince William and Princess Kate want nothing to do with Harry and Meghan, period. And that will be something that isn't going to change. So we shall see. Time will tell. But Harry at least seems very open to the idea of mending some of these bridges that some would argue he exploded, that he tore down.
00:03:16
Speaker 1: Or they say don't burn bridges, right?
00:03:19
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it's hard to build them back, isn't it? And Harry is experiencing that. I thought it was interesting because the conversation was around grief. The reporter was very clever in how he asked if grief, if he grieves his complicated relationship with his dad and brother. I like how he did that.
00:03:34
Speaker 1: You know, I remember doing that with Will Smith actually once. You know, if you bring up Jada and that whole situation. And I kind of remember how I said it. He said, yeah. Just trying to dip your toe in there a little bit, aren't you? They're so used to that. You see J-Lo be very good at this. They're always trying to ask her relationship questions some kind of way, and she gets it. But yes, the interviewer, I give him credit on this.
00:03:56
Speaker 2: Do you grieve your complicated relationship with your dad and brother as we talk about grief? And Harry said, yes, of course. And I thought this was cool. He acknowledged that continues to come up with me the whole time by people that I speak to. So I know how relatable it is. That's probably why there's so much fascination. And then people maybe look at us and go, how are you going to work it out? And then maybe. how I see you're going to work it out, and maybe that will help me work my stuff out. And some people don't want it to work out. I want it to work out. Of course I do. With everything else that's going on in the world, the most important thing is to reconcile. That's the key point. So it's very obvious when he's talking. He is talking about how his situation with his family, obviously relatable to so many other people who have fractures within theirs, and that he's acknowledging some people in other families don't want to work it out. They don't have a desire. But he's saying, I do. So when he was saying some people, he was talking about all those other people he was referencing who also know what it's like to have a problematic family dynamic.
00:05:04
Speaker 1: And we get that. That makes perfect sense. But if you were just reading it and saw that, some would... Maybe have taken it another way.
00:05:10
Speaker 2: Correct. That he was saying some people, meaning, well, my brother doesn't want to work it out, but I do. That is not what he was saying. So Harry's spokesperson actually had to clarify and put out this statement. Some people was absolutely not intended as a swipe at his brother or any other member of his family. The comment was made in a general context and was not directed at his family in any way.
00:05:44
Speaker 1: We get it. It's just too bad that that had to be said. But everything, every little word, everything is so sensitive. And Robes, even him putting that out probably is an indication of just how desperate he might be that he had to come out like, oh, not to be clear here. It's what a mess.
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Speaker 2: It is. And so the interviewer then went on to ask if he thought if Harry thought he could repair the rift. that is obviously ongoing between him and soon to be one day King William. And Harry said this, look, scars stick around forever. But letting go of the past is something that I would encourage everybody to do. For me, there's enough drama in the world and enough drama in people's lives that to continue with issues with the family doesn't make sense. Look, I understand what he's saying, but it's so, I think, ironic that he's, in a way, I guess here, suggesting that William and Kate should let go of the past. that he would encourage everybody to do so. But it was his inability to let go of the past by putting it in print, by putting in his book, by giving interviews that created the situation now where there seems to be an impasse that feels impossible to overcome.
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Speaker 1: He's telling us that they started this, but we didn't see it because that was private. We saw what he did and we read what he did publicly. And we're to a point now, Robes, where I don't even know if people are taking sides. We just want them to all be on the same side again. This is Lady Di's impact. I'm still for her sake. They're like, please, fellas, work this out.
00:07:28
Speaker 2: I do think the British people take sides, though. I think it's pretty obvious that they're on the side of Prince William and King Charles.
00:07:36
Speaker 1: Are they on the side of everybody but Meghan Markle? Like, would Prince Harry be welcomed back in with a damn parade if he left her.
00:07:45
Speaker 2: In the U.S.? You know what? Probably. I mean, we can't know for sure, but I would think that would be possible. And look, The family tensions may go back from the beginning, but they were exposed, I guess, would be the best way to put it, when they did that 2021 interview. Obviously, when they left and moved back for California and left their roles as working royals, we all were speculating, but it was confirmed in that interview with Oprah Winfrey. That started it all. I went back to kind of remember all the things they said, but Megan, the big one that everyone remembers, that there were several conversations there. within the royal family about how dark their baby might be. And then she described feeling suicidal because of how lonely she felt within the royal family. And then she... This was the big one. She denied a story that she made Princess Kate cry in the run-up to her wedding to Harry over some flower girl dresses. She said in that interview that the reverse was true, that Kate made her cry. So now you... That was tough. And Harry said in that interview that the family cut him off financially, that Charles stopped taking his call, that he felt let down by his own father, that his brother and his father were trapped within the system of the royal family. So those are things that are really hard to take back.
00:09:06
Speaker 1: The Oprah interview was a part of promoting the book, or this was just them, right? No, it was just them.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: There was nothing to promote. Oprah gets the big interview as to why they moved out of the United Kingdom, why they left their roles as working royals. And this was their explanation.
00:09:25
Speaker 1: That was awful. It was. That sit-down interview was stunning, baby. I mean, they're hurt. They feel what they feel. They have a right to say what they want to say. I don't know what happened behind the scenes to hurt you that badly. Look, we've all Robes, if folks have any ideas, some of the stuff any of us have said or done with our families and the fights that ensue and the robes, it would be ugly, nasty, terrible stuff when you keep it in-house.
00:09:54
Speaker 2: And that, look, and it's so interesting because, yes, Harry was saying that in this new interview. Like, everyone can relate. That is true. But not everybody goes and writes a memoir. And in Harry's memoir, the big incendiary thing, this thing that most people believe Prince William will never get over is, and I actually went back to look and see specifically what he wrote in Spare. but he details this physical fight that he had with his brother. He said that the fight escalated because William called Meghan Markle difficult, rude, and abrasive. And then somehow it escalated to the point where Harry claims William grabbed him by the collar, ripped his necklace off, and knocked him onto a dog bowl that cracked. He wrote about that.
00:10:42
Speaker 1: Let me go back. Were those the, those were Harry's words? Yes. That he claims William said.
00:10:47
Speaker 2: Correct.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: What were they again?
00:10:49
Speaker 2: That he called Meghan Markle difficult, rude, and abrasive.
00:10:55
Speaker 1: Man, y'all got some thin skin. I mean, come on, man. And you got in a fight with your brother. I assume you got in many over the years. Maybe this was the worst. But to call out, to blow up the royal family because of an insult to your wife. I'm, I am okay. I understand you want to defend your wife. Beat your brother's ass. Beat his ass. Beat him down. Don't go write a book. I'm saying, Robes.
00:11:23
Speaker 2: About the future king of England.
00:11:24
Speaker 1: I am not advocating for violence. I'm saying it in a brotherly type way. If you're mad at somebody, you work it out. You fight it out. If you do this, whatever it is. And again, I hope you see the tone in what I'm saying here, Robes. I'm not advocating. Go in there.
00:11:41
Speaker 2: You keep it in-house.
00:11:42
Speaker 1: A physical altercation. But if you're mad the way you say you are as a husband, I could, if you told me, Harry smacked the hell out of the future king of England. What did he do? He called his wife blank, blank, and blank. Okay. He shouldn't have done that.
00:11:58
Speaker 2: Man to man, you understand that.
00:12:00
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have done that. But Robes, I don't, and I'm sure William doesn't understand. You use that phrase, man to man. You ran and told the world about this.
00:12:11
Speaker 2: It's a betrayal.
00:12:12
Speaker 1: And Robes, I don't know what rises to the level or what should. Maybe that's it. You call my wife silly. If that, I'm offended enough that I am going to go blow up this whole thing. But even those words he's using. Rose, I was waiting on some more. Because there's some other stuff he could have thrown in there that I would have thought, wow. But she's difficult. Rose, you're difficult on most mornings before 445. I mean, what are we doing, fellas? So the fight part of it. I mean, I'm so upset that I got into a fight with my brother that I need to go write about it.
00:12:50
Speaker 2: But he's saying that William physically attacked him. And so those are serious charges. I mean, look. I'm sure. I say serious in the sense that nobody wants someone telling the world that you threw your brother down on the ground.
00:13:06
Speaker 1: The other brother could just say, yeah, we were just roughhousing like we always do. I mean, just, but hey, why would you go tell the world? I was at the house the other day and my brother beat me up because I didn't like, you ain't gonna believe what he, it comes off. I just, I'm missing something, baby.
00:13:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, for all of that to be in print, people can still pick up the book and read it now. It's not like it goes away. And so then for him, I believe the first time he officially said was on the BBC. He had an interview with them in 2025, so last year. His quote was, Harry's quote was, I would love reconciliation with my family. There's no point in continuing to fight anymore. Even that last bit is a little... that would piss me off more. Like, what do you mean there's no point in continuing to fight anymore? You're dismissing all of the actions you took to publicly air our dirty laundry.
00:13:53
Speaker 1: Has he said that publicly? I apologize. I'm sorry for putting that out.
00:13:57
Speaker 2: I never should have done that.
00:13:58
Speaker 1: He hasn't, right?
00:13:58
Speaker 2: He absolutely not.
00:13:59
Speaker 1: Isn't that what folks, don't you hate, everybody's experienced that before. Somebody will come over, pick on you, start a fight, start hitting you, start doing whatever. Or maybe even it's a verbal altercation. They start it. And then things get a little too heated and they go, ah, okay, I'm done.
00:14:13
Speaker 2: I'm out.
00:14:13
Speaker 1: I'm out. You started the fight, Harry. And now you can't just say, okay, let's stop fighting now. You started the fight.
00:14:20
Speaker 2: At least publicly. The public fight. He started the public fight. That is very true. And so look, what we know, the good news is there is certainly a better relationship with King Charles. We know that because Harry, Meghan, the kids all met with the King in July. But the relationship between Harry and William is described as distant with no contact.
00:14:40
Speaker 1: Okay. On two things there. How bad was the stuff he said about the king in the book? Was it that bad? No. Most of it was for... Harry and, excuse me.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: William and... No, and he writes that both he and William begged their father not to marry Camilla. There was a little bit of that, but there was nothing.
00:14:56
Speaker 1: You didn't even have to say that.
00:14:57
Speaker 2: Right, why? It's to sell books, and that's the problem, because it was profit. Why do you need to sell a book?
00:15:02
Speaker 1: Right.
00:15:03
Speaker 2: There was a lot of confusion as to the motivation. And look, you know I say this all the time. Before you speak, before you write, before you make a decision about what your next action is... ask yourself what your goal is. What do you want to come out of this? And I don't know what his goal was to defend himself, to defend his wife at all costs, or was it to humiliate his brother or to, I don't know, but you, I think you need to ask yourself because the consequences are real. So you better know why you're doing it.
00:15:37
Speaker 1: It can't, it's gotta be more than just sell books. It's got to be. But if it's more than that, then that means I'm meant to do harm. I needed to get this out. Then that doesn't sound right. This is such a confusing... It's tough.
00:15:51
Speaker 2: It's tough. But there were some other very interesting nuggets that came out of this latest interview with Prince Harry, including why he says he and Meghan moved back to the United Kingdom. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Prince Harry is talking for the first time on the record since moving with Meghan Markle and his two kids back to the United Kingdom. And one of the questions that I think we were all excited to hear the answer to, the interviewer asked Prince Harry, why did y'all move back to the UK in the first place? And I thought it was interesting, his first sentence. Opportunities. For the family. So he kind of stopped. And I just was wondering if there was any allusion to Megan maybe getting an acting gig or not. That's just where my brain went. He didn't go there. He then said being able to put the kids in a British school, which has meant a lot to me, I didn't know how important it was going to be. So he's very excited about having his kids have the experience of being in a British school, of having that environment. He said they've been in school for two weeks now, and they're loving it, and it's just giving them a whole different experience.
00:17:11
Speaker 1: Did you listen to the interview? I did. How did he, as he was talking, did it seem like he caught himself in the opportunities? How did it come out?
00:17:17
Speaker 2: Well, he was careful. So whenever he said opportunities for the family, and maybe he was just referring to his kids getting the opportunity to be exposed to the British way of life. But it also seemed like maybe he was saying that everybody was going to win. Everybody had a reason why it was a good thing for the family to move back. He also said one of the reasons why they moved back was to be back closer to my family and and to be back on UK soil for longer than a few days or a week here or there. So it's nice to be back. It's been nice to be close to friends and family to have endless playdates. So he is painting a very rosy picture.
00:17:57
Speaker 1: And family to have playdates?
00:17:59
Speaker 2: Well, look, I know we know that he has been at his uncle's house, Princess Diana's brother. So that might be the family he's referring to.
00:18:06
Speaker 1: Maybe some kids over.
00:18:07
Speaker 2: There, maybe. Yes, there's no reports. And they have friends over there, too. We've seen Meghan Markle out with some friends. Yes, we've seen. It seems like there was a very deliberate public, oh, look at me having lunch on my free time with Malala Yousafzai.
00:18:23
Speaker 1: That's who she hangs with. That's fine.
00:18:25
Speaker 2: It sounds like it might be a curated public. Oh, come on. opportunity for us to see her with Malala. But no, but there are other, like she's, I think, who else was she hanging out with? Was it Ellen DeGeneres? Yeah, I saw her hanging out with them too. But look, they do have, obviously he has friends, but the family I think they're referring to are the Spencers. And it's never been noted. The British press are saying that the King and Harry have had a phone conversation or two, but there's been no confirmation that they've all actually physically been in each other's presence.
00:19:00
Speaker 1: We would probably know about that, right?
00:19:01
Speaker 2: I feel like they would have found a way. Yeah, and I would think that Harry's camp would want people to know that they were all hanging out.
00:19:09
Speaker 1: He's been back, what, since late August?
00:19:12
Speaker 2: Late August. I guess they don't do Thanksgiving there, so we'll have to wait and see what's the next big holiday. Is it Christmas? To see how that evolves. And look, there's already reports that Megan's coming back to California for the holidays. What? For, I don't know, to see friends and family, but unclear what their plans are going to be.
00:19:32
Speaker 1: Where the baby's going to be. Unclear.
00:19:35
Speaker 2: Do not know.
00:19:36
Speaker 1: They're not going to do Christmas together?
00:19:38
Speaker 2: They haven't said. You know, people are always trying to figure out what their next move is.
00:19:42
Speaker 1: Will he be welcome back into that house if she's not there? Like, if she did go back for Christmas somewhere with the kids in Southern California... would they say, come on, Harry, swing by the house?
00:19:53
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. No, no, they're pretty buttoned up. But look, I think I do believe that most people are rooting for the brothers to find some way together or a path that they can walk down together. But look, I think That's tough when you have your new sister-in-law tell the world that you made her cry on her wedding day.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Oof.
00:20:17
Speaker 2: And then you have a brother saying that the other brother, you know, physically assaulted him over the way. Those are tough things to get past.
00:20:25
Speaker 1: Megan said that Kate made her cry.
00:20:28
Speaker 2: Yes. Even though the rumor was that Megan made Kate cry all of her flower girl dresses. Wow.
00:20:39
Speaker 1: It's tough.
00:20:40
Speaker 2: You know, look, you're never fighting about what you're fighting about. It's always something deeper. It's always something greater. But look, Harry is he said he's excited about the opportunities he's had. I believe what was his his quote about wanting to basically he was happy. He's happier now than he's been in 10 years. because he's getting to do what he loves. Oh, this is what he said. I'm exhausted, but the work that I do, that's the stuff that energizes me. Being around good people and trying to make an impact on the world, I'm in a much better place than I was 10 years ago.
00:21:12
Speaker 1: And that's great. That's good to hear. I hope it keeps getting better and keeps getting better for that family. And Kate, we said it before, Kate is the one who could make all this go away. She has such good favor with the British public. William and Kate are the.
00:21:27
Speaker 2: Two most popular people.
00:21:29
Speaker 1: And Kate could put her arm around Meghan and change the course of this story and change the course of history if she wanted. But given that, you just announced to the world that the person y'all love that's the future queen is a mean girl that made me cry on my wedding day. Yeah, Kate's not going to like that.
00:21:48
Speaker 2: That's tough to overcome.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: Even if it's true.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: Maybe Meghan's sensitive.
00:21:54
Speaker 1: I don't know.
00:21:55
Speaker 2: We don't know what actually happened, but we hope maybe... We'll see. This move to the UK is the first step, perhaps, in the right direction.
00:22:04
Speaker 1: And so far, so good. It hasn't been a disaster. I know that letter when he reminded everybody, just to be clear, everybody, Harry and Meghan are not with us. They are not working royals. Besides that, though, it hasn't been a disaster.
00:22:17
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. And everyone is hanging on every word that any royal says. I just saw, as we were recording this a few moments ago, a publication reporting that King Charles... Sorry, I almost said King Harry.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's hilarious.
00:22:32
Speaker 2: He's fifth in line to the throne, so never going to happen. But King Charles... just said something about his son that was nice. He was talking to some other world leader about how their sons were friends. Anyway, any mention of Harry coming out of the king's mouth will make headlines around the world. So everyone will be watching, but we can all be hoping for the best and hope that there is a way for them to all find a way forward. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.