June 23, 2026
New Legal Team For Karmelo Anthony Appeal; Victim’s Dad Spews Racial Hatred
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RSS Feed The murder trial for Karmelo Anthony may be over, but there is growing controversy and a widening divide among Anthony’s supporters and Austin Metcalf’s father. Jeff Metcalf has been making the rounds following Anthony’s first degree murder conviction and addressing the concerns many have about whether Anthony, who is black, got a fair trial with not one black juror seated. Metcalf has taken issue with "The View” and specifically host Sonny Hostin for saying Anthony was not judged by a “jury of his peers.” Metcalf reveals a racial nickname he came up with for Anthony that is taking this already tragic case to a whole new low.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, June twenty third. New attorneys, a new appeal, and a new war of words involving the views sunny Houston. And yes, all of this having to do with the case of Carmelo Anthony, the teen who was just convicted and now serving thirty five years in prison for stabbing another Texas teen at a track meet. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ rolled. It was heated before the trial, during the trial, and now it seems gonna be heated after the trial. There's a lot going on here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually so surprised that the headlines just keep on coming. This obviously was an emotional story, an emotional situation that certainly played out in court, but it doesn't feel like anyone is truly satisfied with the outcome, and perhaps even with what happened inside the courtroom, which was supposed to lead with justice and a finality, enclosure and all of those things, none of which seemed to have happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing was was heated, and I guess robes it. No matter what the outcome was going to be, there was going to be somebody arguing this point there was no black juror, so he had a jury of his peers, and we'll get into that as well. That statement about a jury of his peers and whether or not he had one is the thing that now has the view kind of knocking heads with the father of the victim, Austin Metcalf's dad. So, and he's made some comments Robes that has taken this. It's hard for a lot of people to feel sympathy for him. He lost a child that obviously you're going to be sympathetic to that. But he's saying some pretty outlandish stuff.
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Speaker 3: Well and ironically, and I used that word deliberately because he was very big on saying this isn't about race, Let's not make this about race, and then said, well, they made it about race. And then he really escalated the racial conversation by some of his chosen words and phrases. And they were chosen.
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Speaker 2: And we are not going to have to paraphrase for you. We're gonna let you hear that for yourself here in just a bit. But Roseoves is just just weeks ago we were talking about we saw Carmelo Anthony get thirty five years in prison for that stabbing and we are getting worried. We knew this pretty immediately. They are appealing his conviction. Not sure Robes if they will go directly after the conviction or if they'll just go after the sentencing. But he does have a new legal team in place, and Robes, this is a This is a hell of a roster of people he has going to represent him now for the appeal.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and look, he had filed I believe at the time of sentencing that he what do they call it.
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Speaker 1: A paupers plea.
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Speaker 3: We're basically saying he couldn't afford to have the legal defense team he had before. This is all an incredibly expensive endeavor to defend oneself in criminal court, but then now to go through a lengthy appeals process and all that that takes. This is just we're talking about like an exorbitant amount of money. So most people don't have the kind of money to keep a high profile defense team in place. So you get a court appointed attorney, well, step in a new legal team who has agreed to handle Carmelo Anthony's appeal pro bono.
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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, and this is a squad.
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Speaker 2: He has a squad. Now, these might not be household names and maybe not even that big a name outside of Texas. But these folks have been practicing for decades and decades. Several of them are attorneys who have their own firms and robes. They've collected folks who have specialty in appellate court, civil rights attorneys, and criminal defense attorneys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they knew what they were doing. These are folks who have been there, done that, and absolutely understand what it takes to take on a case like this with this type of scrutiny. And look, it is that public scrutiny that probably drew these names to this case. And we're talking Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 2: He's got his own firm there in Texas, Michael Ware or Justin Moore as well. But Rose, that Brooke Close is the damn chief of staff to Ben Crump.
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Speaker 1: The ben Crump Law firm.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she kind of knows what she's doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's certainly when it comes to civil rights cases or certainly cases where there are racial implications. But yeah, he's got one, two, three, four or five six attorneys on his team now, and so yes, this is certainly going to give him the best possible opportunity to see if there was anything that was untoward or anything that happened that shouldn't have happened in that court and starting with and probably not limited to the makeup of that jury.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's what do they call them when you can strike the jurors. Wonder if that's going to come under scrutiny here. You can't strike a juror because of race, but they are going to try to make that argument that several were struck.
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Speaker 1: Here's the confusing part to me.
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Speaker 3: And I know that neither one of us We've said this plenty, but neither one of us are legal experts. But we have watched a lot of trials over our three decades in this career, and I'm curious because the last three black jurors who were all struck were female educators. And look, the defense said, hey, you just struck the last three black jurors and said this is this is not okay, this is this is completely illegal and grounds for an appeal. And the argument by the prosecution was, no, we struck them because they taught child are they they were educators for young students or for students? Why wouldn't you want educators and teachers on your jury when you're talking about high school students where a fight got out of hand that ultimately ended up with a kid dead and allegations of murder. Wouldn't that be exactly the type of jury you would want.
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Speaker 2: The prosecutor would want. Yes, absolutely not, because they might see that kid as a kid, because they might be sympathetic to Carmelo Anthony. They might have been teaching black boys who are sixteen and seventeen and seeing them be afraid, seeing them get scared, seeing them even heard them talk about their fear of being around too many white guys. They had an opportunity to be I guess, balance out the jury in such a way that somebody could relate maybe to this kid as a kid.
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Speaker 3: Right because they were black teachers. If they were white teachers, would they feel the same.
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Speaker 2: That is my argument.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is what the prosecution was claiming.
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Speaker 2: There is absolutely I think of an educator, I thought, absolutely, I don't want an educator because they might be sympathetic, And I think, yeah, same thing a white teacher.
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Speaker 3: But absolutely, here's me thinking, why wouldn't you want it to be a fair jury who would be able to consider all sides and all of the evidence. But then again I forgot. Oh wait, this is my side versus your side. This isn't about justice, This isn't about finding the truth, this isn't.
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Speaker 1: About it's about winning.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes in that regard, but winning is suppose both sides think they're winning for whatever side of justice.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they did, all right, So we did hear directly from the attorneys, this new power team, this new power legal team representing Carmelo Anthony, and here's what they had to say. Our Appella team has been retained following the conviction to conduct a fresh, independent review of the trial record. We recognize the profound loss suffered by one young man's family and the uncertainty facing another, and we extend our respect to everyone whose lives have been forever changed by these events. Our responsibility is to determine whether a legal error occurred and to ensure that every issue supported by the record is full and vigorous, vigorously present on appeal.
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Speaker 1: The appellate process exists for precisely this purpose.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I liked that line, in particular, where they're saying, we recognize the profound loss suffered by one man's family and the uncertainty facing another it's a way of addressing and recognizing that both families are suffering without doing some comparative suffering, without actually saying, well, they hurt worse, or you all are a little less, or one is more important than the other. And then they also mentioned Austin's family first. I just thought that was a great way to balance out, to address that there is profound loss and then there's uncertainty, which is driving both of these families crazy. I just I really appreciate it the way they put that in their statement. Moving forward here, Robes, a big part of this conversation has been and it was immediately after the verdict. Austin Metcalf's dad. I guess he was in court quite a bit, and we did hear from him quite a bit, and Robes we heard from him early on, and it was complimentary. People were complimentary of him because he did make statements of just say, everybody, let's not make this about race.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he very much tried to, it seemed keep some of those emotions and some of those some of the finger pointing. He was trying to bring down the temperature. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that this was people were taking sides basically, and so he really tried to say, hey, this has nothing to do with race. This has everything to do with just basically egos or anger or other issues. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person was black and the other person was white. However, it doesn't seem as though he is that he is going along with that way of thinking anymore.
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Speaker 2: This doesn't make sense to me oras that, Oh, if this is what's on his mind in his heart, need to get something off his brain, then then that's fine. But this doesn't help this conversation, and in Romes, it makes people look at him and his family and maybe his son differently. We've always said, no, I don't think the crime was about race. Afterwards, yes, it became in the moment. There was no argument anywhere that one kid was being racist in some way or something to the other. Anything was said. So no, but now we're robes this fuel. Heap threw on this fire.
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Speaker 1: Robes.
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Speaker 2: This is beyond just saying something offensive. This is flat out racist, racist, just flat out So he went on a podcast, right, I can't remember the name of it here, but there is video of it. But he's sitting here and he's just giving his commentary and robes. He starts going off first about black jurors. We'll let you hear it for yourself. And this is beyond beyond defensive. Oh there was no black jurors.
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Speaker 4: You know why, because you can't be unbiased, you dumb if you answer the question, I can't send a black man to jail because he's black. You're not getting on the jury. You're so unintelligent. You can't even fill out a form correctly. You don't even know who your daddy is because seventy eight percent don't have your father in the home anymore. You got baby Mama's running around with eight kids so they can get EBT cards to feed you all. You think I'm being racist, No, I'm being real because they didn't only black people. White people do the same.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's uh, that's daddy.
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Speaker 3: And that flies in the face of what he was saying before the trial, and that is deeply disturbing to hear. Now, Like I felt my skin crawling listening to that. Are you just like, yeah, I'm not surprised, Uh.
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Speaker 2: No, something like this. It's I guess I'm getting a little more surprised that people are so emboldant to just say it out loud, to just say it in public, to put it out there. That started to surprise me a few years ago. But even that to this point, Eh, who gives it?
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Speaker 4: Damn?
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Speaker 3: I do wonder how much this current administration has emboldened folks to say what they think or what they want to believe, to justify how they feel. I really do think sometimes you get emboldened because you hear other people, and then you want to be able to justify either your feelings or your actions, or to explain something that you don't want to take responsibility for. And so it's just very easy to fall into comments like that. But the damage that those comments do, I don't even know where to begin.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's some there's other things he said heard as well, robes where he was attacking Carmelo Anthony's parents where I can't remember the name, or certainly threw a name at his dad, but called his mom a drunk. Say your mom's a drunk. What kind of kid did you raise? Or goes around stabbing people?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 2: And so it went. It went beyond like some if you're just angry, it's just mad at the world coming he lost a child ropes foot. It's not supposed to make your racist.
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Speaker 3: No, and look, he has every right to be angry. It's and hurt and pissed all. And look even hearing him give some some interviews about how he wanted there to be some sort of conversation or some sort of remorse or some sort of apology from the Carmelo Anthony family and when he didn't get that, then he felt emboldened to just spew hatred. And look, I understand where he's frustrated and angry, and you would like that, but sadly, unfortunately, this just makes things worse. This just divides people further. It builds that hate and that weight on your heart. It's tough to witness and watch and to listen to. And it's sad because you just see where this is headed.
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Speaker 2: Uh you said that made you skin crawl. Well, folks, stay here, We're gonna let you hear from Austin Metcalf's dad again and it gets worse.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about the fallout, the continued divide that this case Carmelo Anthony, the trial that took place.
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Speaker 1: What a couple of weeks ago, the verdict was in.
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Speaker 3: He was sentenced to thirty five years for the first degree murder of Austin Metcalf that both of them were seventeen years old. This was all at a track meet Texas last spring. And now you've got the parent, the father specifically of Austin Metcalf talking. He's getting on podcasts, he is voicing his opinion and he has a lot of anger, and he's speaking very differently than he did before trial. So, yes, we know the Carmelo Anthony's team has filed an appeal.
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Speaker 1: This is far from over for them. He has a.
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Speaker 3: Powerhouse of an attorney squad, so to speak, that will be filing this appeal. But in the meantime, Austin Metcalf's dad, look, he is firing shots. He is angry, and one of the people who he has pointed out and talked about is one of our good.
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Speaker 1: Friends, actually, Sonny Houston. From the view, Oh, they do their hot takes.
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Speaker 2: We know they're not shy about giving their opinion, but he in particular, Ropes took issue with her. It was just yesterday, Yeah, it was just yesterday. She was Oh, yeah, the interview, you're referencing he ended up doing yesterday as well. So they're discussing this case and the new evidence that was excuse me, it's not new evidence. Is the evidence of the case that was just released to the public to see. So we're seeing a lot of that stuff for the first time. And she was talking about that and said Robes that she didn't think that he got a jury of his peers, and that was part of what the dad took issue with.
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Speaker 3: That's right, And when she said that, look, there were a few people of color, I'm not sure we never did we get the actual ethnicities, but it was a mostly white jury, but notably there was not one single black juror. And so Sonny yeah, mentioned that that matters, that that isn't a jury of his peers. And Austin Metcalf's dad said that woman, he referred to her as that woman has no idea about the facts of the case, but she wants to spew her public opinion on a platform that reaches millions of people every day. Look, that woman, Sunny Hauston. I know she was not a part of this case, but she was a She is a former prosecutor, she is an attorney, and she does know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a she was a former federal prosecutor.
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Speaker 3: It isn't as if she's just some random person saying what she thinks. She actually is speaking with a significant legal resume.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is one I asked, Look, you'll you'll give him a pass and you give him, yeah, really for the pain he's going through. Something like this can't on the other things. It's just it's yes, yes, you're losing a family member, losing a child. It's not something you put in as an excuse for spewing hatred. And you just said that. I hadn't found the right word. But that's what he is doing. It's spewing hatred and who knows why. And we mentioned the podcast We'll let you hear a sound by a second ago. I don't know how much set up this one needs, necessarily roads but this came out of nowhere. Don't know why he did it, but this is him saying he was coming up with a nickname for newly convicted Carmelo Anthony.
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Speaker 4: Let me make one up, y'all can make Let me make something racist up so y'all can go viral. I got a new name for mellow Okay, because he was such this little boy I was trying to portray. How about water melon felon? How's that one strike you? I hope he enjoyed his first night in at Sale last night, because he's gonna have many nights to think about what he did.
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Speaker 3: As an angry dad who is now unfortunately succumbing to maybe a lot of what he's been listening to around him, as there is this huge divide in that community, and he has chosen a dark path.
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Speaker 1: He just has, he's leaned into it.
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Speaker 3: It feels good right now, maybe even him kind of saying I'll make up a racist name for him so that it'll go viral, Like I don't know why you would do that, Why would you want to do that? What would be the purpose in doing that. He's just he's so hurt, hurt, people hurt. But this type of language and going down this path and making it about race, now after you said it wasn't, after you acknowledged it wasn't, And yes, Carmelo Anthony has a group of people, a community.
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Speaker 1: That feels.
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Speaker 3: That they never get a fair shake, and so to not acknowledge that, to not acknowledge the history of that, to not allow for that to be a part of this. I understand it's because he lost his son, but this is it. It's so painful to hear this be the direction he's chosen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hate. Hate is completely different if he was mad and didn't understand the black community and didn't understand the argument all that God can forgive. I'm not taking any issue. He owes no one any sympathy after losing a child, but it takes away from sympathy we really you really want to give him. To hear him spew hate, I was missing that. That simply put robes. Thank you he was spewing hate. Then with that, folks, this is one that will continue to get updated because this process is now underway. They are fulling robes. That sounds like almost They're just they're going through every single word that happened during this trial, every single bit of evidence, and there will be something.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they said it could take some time. It might be even towards the end of this year before they get it all together. But they've got the best eyes and some of the best resources there in the state of Texas to try and make sure that Carmelo Anthony in fact did get a fair trial, and if he didn't, they will make sure that that will happen going forward. I'm sure his family feels at peace with that, even though I know the Metcalf family certainly does not. But all we can do is hope that calmer heads can prevail and eventure people's hearts can open up just a little bit. But I think we've got a long way to go before that. All right with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I maybe Roebuck alongside TJ.
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Speaker 1: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, June twenty third. New attorneys, a new appeal, and a new war of words involving the views sunny Houston. And yes, all of this having to do with the case of Carmelo Anthony, the teen who was just convicted and now serving thirty five years in prison for stabbing another Texas teen at a track meet. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ rolled. It was heated before the trial, during the trial, and now it seems gonna be heated after the trial. There's a lot going on here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually so surprised that the headlines just keep on coming. This obviously was an emotional story, an emotional situation that certainly played out in court, but it doesn't feel like anyone is truly satisfied with the outcome, and perhaps even with what happened inside the courtroom, which was supposed to lead with justice and a finality, enclosure and all of those things, none of which seemed to have happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing was was heated, and I guess robes it. No matter what the outcome was going to be, there was going to be somebody arguing this point there was no black juror, so he had a jury of his peers, and we'll get into that as well. That statement about a jury of his peers and whether or not he had one is the thing that now has the view kind of knocking heads with the father of the victim, Austin Metcalf's dad. So, and he's made some comments Robes that has taken this. It's hard for a lot of people to feel sympathy for him. He lost a child that obviously you're going to be sympathetic to that. But he's saying some pretty outlandish stuff.
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Speaker 3: Well and ironically, and I used that word deliberately because he was very big on saying this isn't about race, Let's not make this about race, and then said, well, they made it about race. And then he really escalated the racial conversation by some of his chosen words and phrases. And they were chosen.
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Speaker 2: And we are not going to have to paraphrase for you. We're gonna let you hear that for yourself here in just a bit. But Roseoves is just just weeks ago we were talking about we saw Carmelo Anthony get thirty five years in prison for that stabbing and we are getting worried. We knew this pretty immediately. They are appealing his conviction. Not sure Robes if they will go directly after the conviction or if they'll just go after the sentencing. But he does have a new legal team in place, and Robes, this is a This is a hell of a roster of people he has going to represent him now for the appeal.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and look, he had filed I believe at the time of sentencing that he what do they call it.
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Speaker 1: A paupers plea.
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Speaker 3: We're basically saying he couldn't afford to have the legal defense team he had before. This is all an incredibly expensive endeavor to defend oneself in criminal court, but then now to go through a lengthy appeals process and all that that takes. This is just we're talking about like an exorbitant amount of money. So most people don't have the kind of money to keep a high profile defense team in place. So you get a court appointed attorney, well, step in a new legal team who has agreed to handle Carmelo Anthony's appeal pro bono.
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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, and this is a squad.
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Speaker 2: He has a squad. Now, these might not be household names and maybe not even that big a name outside of Texas. But these folks have been practicing for decades and decades. Several of them are attorneys who have their own firms and robes. They've collected folks who have specialty in appellate court, civil rights attorneys, and criminal defense attorneys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they knew what they were doing. These are folks who have been there, done that, and absolutely understand what it takes to take on a case like this with this type of scrutiny. And look, it is that public scrutiny that probably drew these names to this case. And we're talking Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 2: He's got his own firm there in Texas, Michael Ware or Justin Moore as well. But Rose, that Brooke Close is the damn chief of staff to Ben Crump.
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Speaker 1: The ben Crump Law firm.
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Speaker 2: Yes, she kind of knows what she's doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's certainly when it comes to civil rights cases or certainly cases where there are racial implications. But yeah, he's got one, two, three, four or five six attorneys on his team now, and so yes, this is certainly going to give him the best possible opportunity to see if there was anything that was untoward or anything that happened that shouldn't have happened in that court and starting with and probably not limited to the makeup of that jury.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's what do they call them when you can strike the jurors. Wonder if that's going to come under scrutiny here. You can't strike a juror because of race, but they are going to try to make that argument that several were struck.
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Speaker 1: Here's the confusing part to me.
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Speaker 3: And I know that neither one of us We've said this plenty, but neither one of us are legal experts. But we have watched a lot of trials over our three decades in this career, and I'm curious because the last three black jurors who were all struck were female educators. And look, the defense said, hey, you just struck the last three black jurors and said this is this is not okay, this is this is completely illegal and grounds for an appeal. And the argument by the prosecution was, no, we struck them because they taught child are they they were educators for young students or for students? Why wouldn't you want educators and teachers on your jury when you're talking about high school students where a fight got out of hand that ultimately ended up with a kid dead and allegations of murder. Wouldn't that be exactly the type of jury you would want.
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Speaker 2: The prosecutor would want. Yes, absolutely not, because they might see that kid as a kid, because they might be sympathetic to Carmelo Anthony. They might have been teaching black boys who are sixteen and seventeen and seeing them be afraid, seeing them get scared, seeing them even heard them talk about their fear of being around too many white guys. They had an opportunity to be I guess, balance out the jury in such a way that somebody could relate maybe to this kid as a kid.
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Speaker 3: Right because they were black teachers. If they were white teachers, would they feel the same.
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Speaker 2: That is my argument.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is what the prosecution was claiming.
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Speaker 2: There is absolutely I think of an educator, I thought, absolutely, I don't want an educator because they might be sympathetic, And I think, yeah, same thing a white teacher.
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Speaker 3: But absolutely, here's me thinking, why wouldn't you want it to be a fair jury who would be able to consider all sides and all of the evidence. But then again I forgot. Oh wait, this is my side versus your side. This isn't about justice, This isn't about finding the truth, this isn't.
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Speaker 1: About it's about winning.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes in that regard, but winning is suppose both sides think they're winning for whatever side of justice.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they did, all right, So we did hear directly from the attorneys, this new power team, this new power legal team representing Carmelo Anthony, and here's what they had to say. Our Appella team has been retained following the conviction to conduct a fresh, independent review of the trial record. We recognize the profound loss suffered by one young man's family and the uncertainty facing another, and we extend our respect to everyone whose lives have been forever changed by these events. Our responsibility is to determine whether a legal error occurred and to ensure that every issue supported by the record is full and vigorous, vigorously present on appeal.
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Speaker 1: The appellate process exists for precisely this purpose.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I liked that line, in particular, where they're saying, we recognize the profound loss suffered by one man's family and the uncertainty facing another it's a way of addressing and recognizing that both families are suffering without doing some comparative suffering, without actually saying, well, they hurt worse, or you all are a little less, or one is more important than the other. And then they also mentioned Austin's family first. I just thought that was a great way to balance out, to address that there is profound loss and then there's uncertainty, which is driving both of these families crazy. I just I really appreciate it the way they put that in their statement. Moving forward here, Robes, a big part of this conversation has been and it was immediately after the verdict. Austin Metcalf's dad. I guess he was in court quite a bit, and we did hear from him quite a bit, and Robes we heard from him early on, and it was complimentary. People were complimentary of him because he did make statements of just say, everybody, let's not make this about race.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he very much tried to, it seemed keep some of those emotions and some of those some of the finger pointing. He was trying to bring down the temperature. It was pretty obvious from the beginning that this was people were taking sides basically, and so he really tried to say, hey, this has nothing to do with race. This has everything to do with just basically egos or anger or other issues. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person was black and the other person was white. However, it doesn't seem as though he is that he is going along with that way of thinking anymore.
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Speaker 2: This doesn't make sense to me oras that, Oh, if this is what's on his mind in his heart, need to get something off his brain, then then that's fine. But this doesn't help this conversation, and in Romes, it makes people look at him and his family and maybe his son differently. We've always said, no, I don't think the crime was about race. Afterwards, yes, it became in the moment. There was no argument anywhere that one kid was being racist in some way or something to the other. Anything was said. So no, but now we're robes this fuel. Heap threw on this fire.
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Speaker 1: Robes.
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Speaker 2: This is beyond just saying something offensive. This is flat out racist, racist, just flat out So he went on a podcast, right, I can't remember the name of it here, but there is video of it. But he's sitting here and he's just giving his commentary and robes. He starts going off first about black jurors. We'll let you hear it for yourself. And this is beyond beyond defensive. Oh there was no black jurors.
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Speaker 4: You know why, because you can't be unbiased, you dumb if you answer the question, I can't send a black man to jail because he's black. You're not getting on the jury. You're so unintelligent. You can't even fill out a form correctly. You don't even know who your daddy is because seventy eight percent don't have your father in the home anymore. You got baby Mama's running around with eight kids so they can get EBT cards to feed you all. You think I'm being racist, No, I'm being real because they didn't only black people. White people do the same.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's uh, that's daddy.
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Speaker 3: And that flies in the face of what he was saying before the trial, and that is deeply disturbing to hear. Now, Like I felt my skin crawling listening to that. Are you just like, yeah, I'm not surprised, Uh.
00:12:01
Speaker 2: No, something like this. It's I guess I'm getting a little more surprised that people are so emboldant to just say it out loud, to just say it in public, to put it out there. That started to surprise me a few years ago. But even that to this point, Eh, who gives it?
00:12:18
Speaker 4: Damn?
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Speaker 3: I do wonder how much this current administration has emboldened folks to say what they think or what they want to believe, to justify how they feel. I really do think sometimes you get emboldened because you hear other people, and then you want to be able to justify either your feelings or your actions, or to explain something that you don't want to take responsibility for. And so it's just very easy to fall into comments like that. But the damage that those comments do, I don't even know where to begin.
00:12:56
Speaker 2: You know, there's some there's other things he said heard as well, robes where he was attacking Carmelo Anthony's parents where I can't remember the name, or certainly threw a name at his dad, but called his mom a drunk. Say your mom's a drunk. What kind of kid did you raise? Or goes around stabbing people?
00:13:16
Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 2: And so it went. It went beyond like some if you're just angry, it's just mad at the world coming he lost a child ropes foot. It's not supposed to make your racist.
00:13:26
Speaker 3: No, and look, he has every right to be angry. It's and hurt and pissed all. And look even hearing him give some some interviews about how he wanted there to be some sort of conversation or some sort of remorse or some sort of apology from the Carmelo Anthony family and when he didn't get that, then he felt emboldened to just spew hatred. And look, I understand where he's frustrated and angry, and you would like that, but sadly, unfortunately, this just makes things worse. This just divides people further. It builds that hate and that weight on your heart. It's tough to witness and watch and to listen to. And it's sad because you just see where this is headed.
00:14:15
Speaker 2: Uh you said that made you skin crawl. Well, folks, stay here, We're gonna let you hear from Austin Metcalf's dad again and it gets worse.
00:14:34
Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about the fallout, the continued divide that this case Carmelo Anthony, the trial that took place.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: What a couple of weeks ago, the verdict was in.
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Speaker 3: He was sentenced to thirty five years for the first degree murder of Austin Metcalf that both of them were seventeen years old. This was all at a track meet Texas last spring. And now you've got the parent, the father specifically of Austin Metcalf talking. He's getting on podcasts, he is voicing his opinion and he has a lot of anger, and he's speaking very differently than he did before trial. So, yes, we know the Carmelo Anthony's team has filed an appeal.
00:15:22
Speaker 1: This is far from over for them. He has a.
00:15:25
Speaker 3: Powerhouse of an attorney squad, so to speak, that will be filing this appeal. But in the meantime, Austin Metcalf's dad, look, he is firing shots. He is angry, and one of the people who he has pointed out and talked about is one of our good.
00:15:42
Speaker 1: Friends, actually, Sonny Houston. From the view, Oh, they do their hot takes.
00:15:47
Speaker 2: We know they're not shy about giving their opinion, but he in particular, Ropes took issue with her. It was just yesterday, Yeah, it was just yesterday. She was Oh, yeah, the interview, you're referencing he ended up doing yesterday as well. So they're discussing this case and the new evidence that was excuse me, it's not new evidence. Is the evidence of the case that was just released to the public to see. So we're seeing a lot of that stuff for the first time. And she was talking about that and said Robes that she didn't think that he got a jury of his peers, and that was part of what the dad took issue with.
00:16:20
Speaker 3: That's right, And when she said that, look, there were a few people of color, I'm not sure we never did we get the actual ethnicities, but it was a mostly white jury, but notably there was not one single black juror. And so Sonny yeah, mentioned that that matters, that that isn't a jury of his peers. And Austin Metcalf's dad said that woman, he referred to her as that woman has no idea about the facts of the case, but she wants to spew her public opinion on a platform that reaches millions of people every day. Look, that woman, Sunny Hauston. I know she was not a part of this case, but she was a She is a former prosecutor, she is an attorney, and she does know.
00:17:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a she was a former federal prosecutor.
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Speaker 3: It isn't as if she's just some random person saying what she thinks. She actually is speaking with a significant legal resume.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is one I asked, Look, you'll you'll give him a pass and you give him, yeah, really for the pain he's going through. Something like this can't on the other things. It's just it's yes, yes, you're losing a family member, losing a child. It's not something you put in as an excuse for spewing hatred. And you just said that. I hadn't found the right word. But that's what he is doing. It's spewing hatred and who knows why. And we mentioned the podcast We'll let you hear a sound by a second ago. I don't know how much set up this one needs, necessarily roads but this came out of nowhere. Don't know why he did it, but this is him saying he was coming up with a nickname for newly convicted Carmelo Anthony.
00:18:05
Speaker 4: Let me make one up, y'all can make Let me make something racist up so y'all can go viral. I got a new name for mellow Okay, because he was such this little boy I was trying to portray. How about water melon felon? How's that one strike you? I hope he enjoyed his first night in at Sale last night, because he's gonna have many nights to think about what he did.
00:18:29
Speaker 3: As an angry dad who is now unfortunately succumbing to maybe a lot of what he's been listening to around him, as there is this huge divide in that community, and he has chosen a dark path.
00:18:44
Speaker 1: He just has, he's leaned into it.
00:18:47
Speaker 3: It feels good right now, maybe even him kind of saying I'll make up a racist name for him so that it'll go viral, Like I don't know why you would do that, Why would you want to do that? What would be the purpose in doing that. He's just he's so hurt, hurt, people hurt. But this type of language and going down this path and making it about race, now after you said it wasn't, after you acknowledged it wasn't, And yes, Carmelo Anthony has a group of people, a community.
00:19:19
Speaker 1: That feels.
00:19:22
Speaker 3: That they never get a fair shake, and so to not acknowledge that, to not acknowledge the history of that, to not allow for that to be a part of this. I understand it's because he lost his son, but this is it. It's so painful to hear this be the direction he's chosen.
00:19:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hate. Hate is completely different if he was mad and didn't understand the black community and didn't understand the argument all that God can forgive. I'm not taking any issue. He owes no one any sympathy after losing a child, but it takes away from sympathy we really you really want to give him. To hear him spew hate, I was missing that. That simply put robes. Thank you he was spewing hate. Then with that, folks, this is one that will continue to get updated because this process is now underway. They are fulling robes. That sounds like almost They're just they're going through every single word that happened during this trial, every single bit of evidence, and there will be something.
00:20:27
Speaker 3: Yes, they said it could take some time. It might be even towards the end of this year before they get it all together. But they've got the best eyes and some of the best resources there in the state of Texas to try and make sure that Carmelo Anthony in fact did get a fair trial, and if he didn't, they will make sure that that will happen going forward. I'm sure his family feels at peace with that, even though I know the Metcalf family certainly does not. But all we can do is hope that calmer heads can prevail and eventure people's hearts can open up just a little bit. But I think we've got a long way to go before that. All right with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I maybe Roebuck alongside TJ.
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Speaker 1: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.