Feb. 17, 2026
NEW: Entire Guthrie Family Cleared, TMZ Receives 4th Note and DNA From “Unknown Male”
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RSS Feed There have been several significant developments in the investigation into Nancy Guthrie’s whereabouts. Most notably, the Sheriff’s Department announced all Guthrie siblings and their spouses have been cleared as possible suspects. Investigators have also released info on DNA found in a pair of gloves, TMZ has shared details from a new note suggesting Nancy is in Mexico, and searchers are using new technology to try and find a signal from Nancy’s pacemaker.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, February seventeenth, and still authorities have not named a suspect in the Guthrie disappearance, but they are coming out and telling us who they are not officially looking at as suspects. With that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Big deal, you said to me, I said, what's the bigger headline? You said, this is a big deal. They've cleared the family.
00:00:24
Speaker 2: Yes, we had a couple headlines that we woke up to, but this is huge. Look initially, and I think just about everybody, including especially law enforcement, when something like this happens, you look first and foremost to the last people who saw someone alive. And so of course that would have fallen directly on Savannah Guthrie's sister and brother in law, because they were the last people to see her alive.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: And dropped one of them dropped me. Yes at home.
00:00:54
Speaker 2: Yes, the brother in law, Thomas so I believe is his name, dropped off Nancy Guthrie. He says, I saw her go into the home. I saw the garage door close. I made sure she got in safely. So of course that is the obvious first people that you would have to investigate and then hopefully eliminate. But reporting came out pretty quickly, and Ashley Banfield was the one who came out and said it. They were looking at the brother in law and made him into a prime suspect. That was a big headline as well. So to have the sheriff come out and say all Guthrie family, including their spouses, have been cleared and our innocent, that's a huge deal.
00:01:38
Speaker 1: And that was one of a number of headlines. A few others we'll get into having to do with DNA, the number of leads has ballooned, and also another possible note that TMZ has received and they are now publicly negotiating with this so called rat. We'll get into that in the moment, but first that is the headline in his statement Robes. The sheriff made pretty clear his motivation in doing so. Look, this is in the third week of this investigation for someone to come out, they're putting the investigation in themselves on the line to come out and definitively say that no one in this family. They're not even leaving open the possibility. They're saying no, no one in the family. And the sheriff with his statement made clear he's sending a message to the media and anybody else spreading any rumors about the family.
00:02:24
Speaker 2: That's correct. This was the sheriff's statement on X to be clear of the Guthrie family to include all siblings and spouses has been cleared as possible suspects in this case. The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious and are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are victims, plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you, the media, to honor your profession and report with some sense of compassion and professionalism.
00:02:56
Speaker 1: You know what, good for you. Everybody's screaming at him, telling him how to do his job. Well, we've got some failings on our end as well. I have no problem with that statement. He is right. Everybody needs to be living by that covering the story and a lot haven't been exactly OK. That's now in all he's done in this investigation and criticism, people want to give him that that was a nice touch.
00:03:17
Speaker 2: I agree completely, and I've just been this entire time so many I know everyone listening to this has been imagining being in the Guthrie family position. It's hard enough to not know where your mother is, to fear the worst, to have this be a public spectacle, and now to hear and to read, and I know that of course they were aware that some members of the media were pointing the finger directly back at them. That is excruciating.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: Now you can go people do their thing online. Fine, on social media, theories run wild, they call him Internet sleuths, investigators, detectives out there trying to figure it out, and everybody has their theory about the case. Fine, but there are plenty of folks who are officially rogues going on networks and have police backg and legit voices. Excuse me, I shouldn't say legit, but you know what I'm talking about. In more mainstream environments, we're going out robes and also putting out some wild theories and speculation because we don't have anything official. That stuff is. It's not just a matter of helpful for the investigation. To his line here at the Inn, A sense of compassion, A sense of compassion when you open your mouth and just spewing that you think, as a family member, is that a compassionate way to cover this when it's just a rumor or it's just putting something out, and that's not compassionate. He's giving us maybe a lesson right now that we all need and how the story will be covered.
00:04:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when he said it was cruel, I think that's a good way to put it as well. But just also, Savannah, it's it's interesting to be a member of the media and to then feel like members of your own community, members of the profession in which you work. To be on the other end of it is exceptionally difficulty.
00:04:57
Speaker 1: I think it's it.
00:04:58
Speaker 2: She does get it, but it's still well, it hurts in a different way in that sense.
00:05:02
Speaker 1: And so let's go now to why Robes he had to put this out. Just a reminder here, this was a really big deal. What was it at least a week plus ago? Robes. When you hear obviously you just said it. You watch any true crime show, the first suspect of the person they want to talk to is the last person who saw that person alive. Of course rights and I say alive just in those cases, but in this case, the last person this are before she went missing. Obviously they're looking at him. Anyone who has been watching the story. Robes, you had that thought in your home, of course, but you don't go onto microphone and start spewing that out what your wild theories is and start accusing a family member. Robes, a member of the media who's been out there for decades, a reputable reporter for decades, put out a pretty definitive, I would argue statement, pointing the finger and accusing the brother in law of Savannah Guthrie of being the suspect.
00:06:01
Speaker 2: That's right. Ashley Banfield said on her podcast that she had a source, and she said it was the highest possible source who said that Tomasso, the brother in law Savannah Guthrie, was the prime suspect. And when Ashley Banfield made that statement, an almost forty year veteran journalist, just about every at least tabloid picked that up and it went like wildfire, and that was the headline everywhere. There were pictures of Savannah's sister and brother in law. Journalists were chasing them. They actually had to put their hoodies over their head, which made them look even guiltier by the pictures they were getting of the two of them hiding. So that had to be horrific because that's on top of trying to find your mom.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: That was it was a and the only reason, look, we want to we wanted to step back because we know she knows better the reason we gave you. And I even said, look, we have to listen because she's been around exactly. He knows not to just throw something like this out there at the wind. So she must really really believe her source, or she must really really have good information. Turns out she's got nothing, and Robes, I don't know what we're gonna hear from her when we might hear from her. But Rose, that was an awful situation because then you had people out there with the ring cam video from the porch. They were putting up the brother in law's actual picture next to it and comparing, and look the builders about the same, and look at the mouth.
00:07:41
Speaker 2: That stuff was happening. And the sad thing is, once you put that suggestion in a public way out there, we know you can't totally undo it. People will look at him unless they you know, until I should say, or unless they catch the person responsible. There will always be people who will think he had something to do with it, just the suggestion of something. It's almost impossible to undo or to erase.
00:08:06
Speaker 1: That's one of those in the family. Never said, never addressed it. They kept putting out their videos, never addressed it. And again they probably didn't want to because because it becomes a side show. But I think that's the only way they could have stopped it was come out immediately and say she is wrong. I can't believe this bullshit has happened. If they would have put out a definitive statement. But why should they have to be distracted by some bs but robes. That's why the story continued and continued. This is the first time that somebody said no.
00:08:36
Speaker 2: And it's good that it came from the sheriff because that came from an official source who said, we did investigate, we did look into it, and we have completely ruled them out and they are innocent. They are victims.
00:08:49
Speaker 1: So that is a major development. No, we don't have a suspect, but at least through a process of elimination, they know who they don't have as a suspect, so they've been eliminated. The other thing. Here we go again. TMZ's got another note, this one again from the so called rat. This is the fourth one. This person who claims they know who the kit napper or kit nappers are, but they want to be paid first one hundred thousand dollars half of it in bitcoin first upfront and in the half later. Blah blah blah, strange back and forth. This new update is bizarre and that TMZ is publicly stating that they are now negotiating or trying to publicly negotiate with this person.
00:09:26
Speaker 2: Yes, they're actually using their website to communicate with this person. We don't know who he is, who has information, who claims he has information, And Harvey Levin is now trying to reach out and asking this person to email them back, like literally using his website to communicate with a potential source who has information. So he actually says, we have a proposition for that person. He actually talked about an excerpt from the letter saying that this person claims I know what I saw five days ago South the Born and I was told to shut up. So I know who he is. And that was definitely Nancy with them.
00:10:07
Speaker 1: What the hell are is this person? Is this a ruse or is this for real? Rubes?
00:10:11
Speaker 2: He is saying, Mexico, Rubes, is this for real?
00:10:14
Speaker 1: I mean they have not come out and said whether or not, or at least authorities that any note they've gotten anywhere from any to any news organization from either an alleged kidnapper or this person is credible. They have not suggested that it's not either.
00:10:30
Speaker 2: It's interesting you ask if he's for real, because Harvey Levin actually writes this in the website. If the individual who is writing us these emails is reading this, if you are for real, send us the information regarding the whereabouts of Nancy and her kidnappers. We will immediately forward the information to the FBI. If it leads to finding Nancy and or the kidnappers, you then have a public record that you are the one responsible, thus ensuring you will get the reward. The FBI is aware we are making this overture.
00:11:03
Speaker 1: They gave the okay? Did they give the okay? Or they're just aware? Right? Were we authorized to do it? Or they're just aware we were going to.
00:11:09
Speaker 2: Do They used the word aware, didn't say has authorized us.
00:11:12
Speaker 1: It's we've been in the business too long. We read every little word, little line of these statements to see what this could possibly mean. I don't know. It's just bizarre, And now I find it very difficult to think this is real and that it's not real.
00:11:26
Speaker 2: Everything is so bizarre in this story. It doesn't none of it makes sense. So yes and TMZ is saying, the reason why the writer, the author of these emails has reached out to them and is communicating with them is that he has a burglary on his record, on his rap sheet, and so he's afraid of he went to police, that they would think he was involved. So he's trying to keep his anonymity while getting paid for giving this information. Okay, that's the explanation given in the email.
00:12:00
Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't it. Okay, I don't have all the backstory there, But okay, if you're someone who thinks you will be looking, you know what. I have a healthy fear of police as well, and I think a lot of people do, so I want to leave room for that. I still have a difficult time here believing like you really want to continue to hold this family hostage.
00:12:25
Speaker 2: And if this was something you saw five days ago, how is that information even? Maybe? I mean, obviously it could lead if it's true, could lead authorities on a better trail, But five days ago, that's a long time ago.
00:12:40
Speaker 1: At this point, and this is a lot of notes, and this is a lot of thinking and to think now you now, I don't want the person to get the reward. You're wasting this family's time, You're risking this woman's health. And she said Nancy was with them. Sounds alive to me in that language. Yes, are you kidding me that she might have been a live five days ago? Roads, and you're.
00:13:03
Speaker 2: Sitting on this now, I'm that's criminal.
00:13:06
Speaker 1: Now, Roads, Now, it's this is I just have a hard time believing that someone is doing that. So maybe this is just somebody trying to get paid. To this point, I almost hope it is.
00:13:18
Speaker 2: Well either way. Now, whether he's using it as a way of extortion or if it's basically him him withholding information that leads to someone's death, all of that's criminal, all of it, all of the above.
00:13:31
Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, we did get a couple of other significant updates having to do with the DNA that they are looking into, and also not just the backpack, but the clothing that the suspect on that front porch was wearing. We'll explain you sit here.
00:13:55
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ, where we have a lot of up in the Nancy Guthrie missing person case. We talked about how the Sheriff's department has officially cleared the family. TMZ gets a fourth note from someone who claims he knows where Nancy Guthrie is. The Sheriff's department also said, is it just in the past twenty four hours they've gotten forty to fifty thousand tips and leads. I mean this is in total, but it's really ramped up in the last couple of days. So this is a significant amount of work that authorities and tips that authorities are sifting through. But a big headline as well was those gloves. The gloves. They've found a lot of gloves, but there was a specific pair that was about two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home. They have now said that they believe those are or at least they very much matched the gloves that the suspect was wearing in that ring camera on Nancy Guthrie's front porch. And they did find DNA from an unknown male. That's huge. So now this could lead to something and it could not.
00:15:03
Speaker 1: You know, it's we that interview the sheriff did over the weekend with the New York Times is that they're exhausted because they you get a lead, this is it, this is it, this is it, and then it turns out to not just be something. You got a track down, but it leads to absolutely nothing. Like you think we got the guy, and then it leads to absolutely nothing. Yeah, so hopefully this will be something. Even if that DNA matches the DNA in the house, that is a it's something, big deal. But then you have to figure out where who's that DNA belonged to.
00:15:34
Speaker 2: Yes, so the FBI says that they are waiting on official confirmation and then they are going to put that DNA into their national database to see if they get a hit, which is huge. Also, there's this high tech tool being used as signals sniffer. We talked a lot about her pacemaker. The last known I guess connection it made with her app was around.
00:15:56
Speaker 1: What was it to twenty eight in the morning.
00:15:58
Speaker 2: There you go to twenty eight in the morning on February first. So now they're actually flying helicopters with this device. They low and slow is what they were saying, to see if they can pick up any signal from her pacemaker. If it's still activated at this point, So they are doing that right now?
00:16:14
Speaker 1: Are they allowed to fly over Mexican airspace because apparently this is where she is according to this rat.
00:16:20
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that sending.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be pointless. We're looking for a woman in a place she is not, are we Nobody knows. Wow, it's really possible we're looking in the wrong country according to how much effort is being put into looking, because we have not heard that at all. I would love for somebody to ask that in a press conference. Are you putting any resources and working with the Mexican government and.
00:16:43
Speaker 2: Anyway, That's a very good question that should absolutely be asked.
00:16:47
Speaker 1: I am very curious the clothing here. Now. We've been talking about that backpack Ozark Trail. This backpack that the person had on they said it sold exclusively at Walmart, but robes. This is could be big if it turns out that wasn't the only thing this person was wearing from Walmart. They're saying now they believe the clothing they're telling CBS News authorities are that the clothing the person was wearing in that ring camera video on the front porch believe it's from Walmart as well. That can make things a little easier if you're able to pinpoint all those purchase like a clump of purchases versus just looking for a random backpack. Here they're sold online, how did you buy it? So if they can put all those together in one purchase, that could be helpful as well.
00:17:32
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine the technology that they would have to employ to find that. There's some sort of search engine in all of walmart their receipts.
00:17:41
Speaker 1: Walmart's helping with it.
00:17:42
Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable. But yes, to think about them all being purchased together, that would eliminate a lot of receipts, so that could lead them. That's a big potential lead as well.
00:17:52
Speaker 1: World we talk about we talk about I say that, but we watch a lot of people have well true crime it's very popular these days, but you've watched it enough over the years and you see these cases robes where they didn't find some serial killer for years and years who was able to continue to kill for decades in the sixties and seventies and eighties. Robes. Think, now, all the technology possible, they still can't find this person. It's one of these throwback a weird throwback to those days where you could get away with murder for decades because they can't make these links you leave DNA behind. They don't know how to. We didn't have that technology. We have it now, and still this seems impossible.
00:18:39
Speaker 2: That's why, Yes, this story is just beyond baffling, because at this point, you're right, this day and age twenty twenty six, the tools and resources that we have available to us from an investigative standpoint are almost limitless, and yet still somehow, maybe it's where she was located, in a remote rural area where you don't have as much much access to surveillance and door cameras and all of those types of tools that we have seen being used non stop in solving crimes and mysteries. But this one just the location. It could be as simple as that was she targeted.
00:19:16
Speaker 1: And they're sophisticated enough that they considered all these things.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:19:21
Speaker 1: This is just wild, folks. We will continue to update you on this case. We're keeping a very close eye on it. We appreciate you as always going along with us and trusting us here, but as always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app where you see our show page. There's a little button there that says follow you. Click that and you can make sure you get all our updates coming to you. We do not expect confirming this with you as well, Robes. No press conferences planned from the Pema County Sheriff.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: No, and I think he has said that from the last one he did, what was that two weeks ago or so, But he said I will not hold another press conference unless there is a signific eificant development.
00:20:01
Speaker 1: So he is now if we ever hear that there is a press conference, I guess we know we should be paying very very close attention for folks. We always appreciate you listening to us on behalf of my dear Amy Robot. I'm t J. Holm Bill. Talk to me
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, February seventeenth, and still authorities have not named a suspect in the Guthrie disappearance, but they are coming out and telling us who they are not officially looking at as suspects. With that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Big deal, you said to me, I said, what's the bigger headline? You said, this is a big deal. They've cleared the family.
00:00:24
Speaker 2: Yes, we had a couple headlines that we woke up to, but this is huge. Look initially, and I think just about everybody, including especially law enforcement, when something like this happens, you look first and foremost to the last people who saw someone alive. And so of course that would have fallen directly on Savannah Guthrie's sister and brother in law, because they were the last people to see her alive.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: And dropped one of them dropped me. Yes at home.
00:00:54
Speaker 2: Yes, the brother in law, Thomas so I believe is his name, dropped off Nancy Guthrie. He says, I saw her go into the home. I saw the garage door close. I made sure she got in safely. So of course that is the obvious first people that you would have to investigate and then hopefully eliminate. But reporting came out pretty quickly, and Ashley Banfield was the one who came out and said it. They were looking at the brother in law and made him into a prime suspect. That was a big headline as well. So to have the sheriff come out and say all Guthrie family, including their spouses, have been cleared and our innocent, that's a huge deal.
00:01:38
Speaker 1: And that was one of a number of headlines. A few others we'll get into having to do with DNA, the number of leads has ballooned, and also another possible note that TMZ has received and they are now publicly negotiating with this so called rat. We'll get into that in the moment, but first that is the headline in his statement Robes. The sheriff made pretty clear his motivation in doing so. Look, this is in the third week of this investigation for someone to come out, they're putting the investigation in themselves on the line to come out and definitively say that no one in this family. They're not even leaving open the possibility. They're saying no, no one in the family. And the sheriff with his statement made clear he's sending a message to the media and anybody else spreading any rumors about the family.
00:02:24
Speaker 2: That's correct. This was the sheriff's statement on X to be clear of the Guthrie family to include all siblings and spouses has been cleared as possible suspects in this case. The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious and are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are victims, plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you, the media, to honor your profession and report with some sense of compassion and professionalism.
00:02:56
Speaker 1: You know what, good for you. Everybody's screaming at him, telling him how to do his job. Well, we've got some failings on our end as well. I have no problem with that statement. He is right. Everybody needs to be living by that covering the story and a lot haven't been exactly OK. That's now in all he's done in this investigation and criticism, people want to give him that that was a nice touch.
00:03:17
Speaker 2: I agree completely, and I've just been this entire time so many I know everyone listening to this has been imagining being in the Guthrie family position. It's hard enough to not know where your mother is, to fear the worst, to have this be a public spectacle, and now to hear and to read, and I know that of course they were aware that some members of the media were pointing the finger directly back at them. That is excruciating.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: Now you can go people do their thing online. Fine, on social media, theories run wild, they call him Internet sleuths, investigators, detectives out there trying to figure it out, and everybody has their theory about the case. Fine, but there are plenty of folks who are officially rogues going on networks and have police backg and legit voices. Excuse me, I shouldn't say legit, but you know what I'm talking about. In more mainstream environments, we're going out robes and also putting out some wild theories and speculation because we don't have anything official. That stuff is. It's not just a matter of helpful for the investigation. To his line here at the Inn, A sense of compassion, A sense of compassion when you open your mouth and just spewing that you think, as a family member, is that a compassionate way to cover this when it's just a rumor or it's just putting something out, and that's not compassionate. He's giving us maybe a lesson right now that we all need and how the story will be covered.
00:04:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when he said it was cruel, I think that's a good way to put it as well. But just also, Savannah, it's it's interesting to be a member of the media and to then feel like members of your own community, members of the profession in which you work. To be on the other end of it is exceptionally difficulty.
00:04:57
Speaker 1: I think it's it.
00:04:58
Speaker 2: She does get it, but it's still well, it hurts in a different way in that sense.
00:05:02
Speaker 1: And so let's go now to why Robes he had to put this out. Just a reminder here, this was a really big deal. What was it at least a week plus ago? Robes. When you hear obviously you just said it. You watch any true crime show, the first suspect of the person they want to talk to is the last person who saw that person alive. Of course rights and I say alive just in those cases, but in this case, the last person this are before she went missing. Obviously they're looking at him. Anyone who has been watching the story. Robes, you had that thought in your home, of course, but you don't go onto microphone and start spewing that out what your wild theories is and start accusing a family member. Robes, a member of the media who's been out there for decades, a reputable reporter for decades, put out a pretty definitive, I would argue statement, pointing the finger and accusing the brother in law of Savannah Guthrie of being the suspect.
00:06:01
Speaker 2: That's right. Ashley Banfield said on her podcast that she had a source, and she said it was the highest possible source who said that Tomasso, the brother in law Savannah Guthrie, was the prime suspect. And when Ashley Banfield made that statement, an almost forty year veteran journalist, just about every at least tabloid picked that up and it went like wildfire, and that was the headline everywhere. There were pictures of Savannah's sister and brother in law. Journalists were chasing them. They actually had to put their hoodies over their head, which made them look even guiltier by the pictures they were getting of the two of them hiding. So that had to be horrific because that's on top of trying to find your mom.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: That was it was a and the only reason, look, we want to we wanted to step back because we know she knows better the reason we gave you. And I even said, look, we have to listen because she's been around exactly. He knows not to just throw something like this out there at the wind. So she must really really believe her source, or she must really really have good information. Turns out she's got nothing, and Robes, I don't know what we're gonna hear from her when we might hear from her. But Rose, that was an awful situation because then you had people out there with the ring cam video from the porch. They were putting up the brother in law's actual picture next to it and comparing, and look the builders about the same, and look at the mouth.
00:07:41
Speaker 2: That stuff was happening. And the sad thing is, once you put that suggestion in a public way out there, we know you can't totally undo it. People will look at him unless they you know, until I should say, or unless they catch the person responsible. There will always be people who will think he had something to do with it, just the suggestion of something. It's almost impossible to undo or to erase.
00:08:06
Speaker 1: That's one of those in the family. Never said, never addressed it. They kept putting out their videos, never addressed it. And again they probably didn't want to because because it becomes a side show. But I think that's the only way they could have stopped it was come out immediately and say she is wrong. I can't believe this bullshit has happened. If they would have put out a definitive statement. But why should they have to be distracted by some bs but robes. That's why the story continued and continued. This is the first time that somebody said no.
00:08:36
Speaker 2: And it's good that it came from the sheriff because that came from an official source who said, we did investigate, we did look into it, and we have completely ruled them out and they are innocent. They are victims.
00:08:49
Speaker 1: So that is a major development. No, we don't have a suspect, but at least through a process of elimination, they know who they don't have as a suspect, so they've been eliminated. The other thing. Here we go again. TMZ's got another note, this one again from the so called rat. This is the fourth one. This person who claims they know who the kit napper or kit nappers are, but they want to be paid first one hundred thousand dollars half of it in bitcoin first upfront and in the half later. Blah blah blah, strange back and forth. This new update is bizarre and that TMZ is publicly stating that they are now negotiating or trying to publicly negotiate with this person.
00:09:26
Speaker 2: Yes, they're actually using their website to communicate with this person. We don't know who he is, who has information, who claims he has information, And Harvey Levin is now trying to reach out and asking this person to email them back, like literally using his website to communicate with a potential source who has information. So he actually says, we have a proposition for that person. He actually talked about an excerpt from the letter saying that this person claims I know what I saw five days ago South the Born and I was told to shut up. So I know who he is. And that was definitely Nancy with them.
00:10:07
Speaker 1: What the hell are is this person? Is this a ruse or is this for real? Rubes?
00:10:11
Speaker 2: He is saying, Mexico, Rubes, is this for real?
00:10:14
Speaker 1: I mean they have not come out and said whether or not, or at least authorities that any note they've gotten anywhere from any to any news organization from either an alleged kidnapper or this person is credible. They have not suggested that it's not either.
00:10:30
Speaker 2: It's interesting you ask if he's for real, because Harvey Levin actually writes this in the website. If the individual who is writing us these emails is reading this, if you are for real, send us the information regarding the whereabouts of Nancy and her kidnappers. We will immediately forward the information to the FBI. If it leads to finding Nancy and or the kidnappers, you then have a public record that you are the one responsible, thus ensuring you will get the reward. The FBI is aware we are making this overture.
00:11:03
Speaker 1: They gave the okay? Did they give the okay? Or they're just aware? Right? Were we authorized to do it? Or they're just aware we were going to.
00:11:09
Speaker 2: Do They used the word aware, didn't say has authorized us.
00:11:12
Speaker 1: It's we've been in the business too long. We read every little word, little line of these statements to see what this could possibly mean. I don't know. It's just bizarre, And now I find it very difficult to think this is real and that it's not real.
00:11:26
Speaker 2: Everything is so bizarre in this story. It doesn't none of it makes sense. So yes and TMZ is saying, the reason why the writer, the author of these emails has reached out to them and is communicating with them is that he has a burglary on his record, on his rap sheet, and so he's afraid of he went to police, that they would think he was involved. So he's trying to keep his anonymity while getting paid for giving this information. Okay, that's the explanation given in the email.
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Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't it. Okay, I don't have all the backstory there, But okay, if you're someone who thinks you will be looking, you know what. I have a healthy fear of police as well, and I think a lot of people do, so I want to leave room for that. I still have a difficult time here believing like you really want to continue to hold this family hostage.
00:12:25
Speaker 2: And if this was something you saw five days ago, how is that information even? Maybe? I mean, obviously it could lead if it's true, could lead authorities on a better trail, But five days ago, that's a long time ago.
00:12:40
Speaker 1: At this point, and this is a lot of notes, and this is a lot of thinking and to think now you now, I don't want the person to get the reward. You're wasting this family's time, You're risking this woman's health. And she said Nancy was with them. Sounds alive to me in that language. Yes, are you kidding me that she might have been a live five days ago? Roads, and you're.
00:13:03
Speaker 2: Sitting on this now, I'm that's criminal.
00:13:06
Speaker 1: Now, Roads, Now, it's this is I just have a hard time believing that someone is doing that. So maybe this is just somebody trying to get paid. To this point, I almost hope it is.
00:13:18
Speaker 2: Well either way. Now, whether he's using it as a way of extortion or if it's basically him him withholding information that leads to someone's death, all of that's criminal, all of it, all of the above.
00:13:31
Speaker 1: All right, Well, folks, we did get a couple of other significant updates having to do with the DNA that they are looking into, and also not just the backpack, but the clothing that the suspect on that front porch was wearing. We'll explain you sit here.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ, where we have a lot of up in the Nancy Guthrie missing person case. We talked about how the Sheriff's department has officially cleared the family. TMZ gets a fourth note from someone who claims he knows where Nancy Guthrie is. The Sheriff's department also said, is it just in the past twenty four hours they've gotten forty to fifty thousand tips and leads. I mean this is in total, but it's really ramped up in the last couple of days. So this is a significant amount of work that authorities and tips that authorities are sifting through. But a big headline as well was those gloves. The gloves. They've found a lot of gloves, but there was a specific pair that was about two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home. They have now said that they believe those are or at least they very much matched the gloves that the suspect was wearing in that ring camera on Nancy Guthrie's front porch. And they did find DNA from an unknown male. That's huge. So now this could lead to something and it could not.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's we that interview the sheriff did over the weekend with the New York Times is that they're exhausted because they you get a lead, this is it, this is it, this is it, and then it turns out to not just be something. You got a track down, but it leads to absolutely nothing. Like you think we got the guy, and then it leads to absolutely nothing. Yeah, so hopefully this will be something. Even if that DNA matches the DNA in the house, that is a it's something, big deal. But then you have to figure out where who's that DNA belonged to.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so the FBI says that they are waiting on official confirmation and then they are going to put that DNA into their national database to see if they get a hit, which is huge. Also, there's this high tech tool being used as signals sniffer. We talked a lot about her pacemaker. The last known I guess connection it made with her app was around.
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Speaker 1: What was it to twenty eight in the morning.
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Speaker 2: There you go to twenty eight in the morning on February first. So now they're actually flying helicopters with this device. They low and slow is what they were saying, to see if they can pick up any signal from her pacemaker. If it's still activated at this point, So they are doing that right now?
00:16:14
Speaker 1: Are they allowed to fly over Mexican airspace because apparently this is where she is according to this rat.
00:16:20
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that sending.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be pointless. We're looking for a woman in a place she is not, are we Nobody knows. Wow, it's really possible we're looking in the wrong country according to how much effort is being put into looking, because we have not heard that at all. I would love for somebody to ask that in a press conference. Are you putting any resources and working with the Mexican government and.
00:16:43
Speaker 2: Anyway, That's a very good question that should absolutely be asked.
00:16:47
Speaker 1: I am very curious the clothing here. Now. We've been talking about that backpack Ozark Trail. This backpack that the person had on they said it sold exclusively at Walmart, but robes. This is could be big if it turns out that wasn't the only thing this person was wearing from Walmart. They're saying now they believe the clothing they're telling CBS News authorities are that the clothing the person was wearing in that ring camera video on the front porch believe it's from Walmart as well. That can make things a little easier if you're able to pinpoint all those purchase like a clump of purchases versus just looking for a random backpack. Here they're sold online, how did you buy it? So if they can put all those together in one purchase, that could be helpful as well.
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine the technology that they would have to employ to find that. There's some sort of search engine in all of walmart their receipts.
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Speaker 1: Walmart's helping with it.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable. But yes, to think about them all being purchased together, that would eliminate a lot of receipts, so that could lead them. That's a big potential lead as well.
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Speaker 1: World we talk about we talk about I say that, but we watch a lot of people have well true crime it's very popular these days, but you've watched it enough over the years and you see these cases robes where they didn't find some serial killer for years and years who was able to continue to kill for decades in the sixties and seventies and eighties. Robes. Think, now, all the technology possible, they still can't find this person. It's one of these throwback a weird throwback to those days where you could get away with murder for decades because they can't make these links you leave DNA behind. They don't know how to. We didn't have that technology. We have it now, and still this seems impossible.
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Speaker 2: That's why, Yes, this story is just beyond baffling, because at this point, you're right, this day and age twenty twenty six, the tools and resources that we have available to us from an investigative standpoint are almost limitless, and yet still somehow, maybe it's where she was located, in a remote rural area where you don't have as much much access to surveillance and door cameras and all of those types of tools that we have seen being used non stop in solving crimes and mysteries. But this one just the location. It could be as simple as that was she targeted.
00:19:16
Speaker 1: And they're sophisticated enough that they considered all these things.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:19:21
Speaker 1: This is just wild, folks. We will continue to update you on this case. We're keeping a very close eye on it. We appreciate you as always going along with us and trusting us here, but as always, top right corner of your Apple podcast app where you see our show page. There's a little button there that says follow you. Click that and you can make sure you get all our updates coming to you. We do not expect confirming this with you as well, Robes. No press conferences planned from the Pema County Sheriff.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: No, and I think he has said that from the last one he did, what was that two weeks ago or so, But he said I will not hold another press conference unless there is a signific eificant development.
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Speaker 1: So he is now if we ever hear that there is a press conference, I guess we know we should be paying very very close attention for folks. We always appreciate you listening to us on behalf of my dear Amy Robot. I'm t J. Holm Bill. Talk to me