Feb. 16, 2026
"Never Too Late To Do The Right Thing", Emotional New Plea from Savannah Guthrie
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RSS Feed As the investigation into Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance enters its third week, Savannah Guthrie released another video on social media trying to appeal to the humanity of the person who took her mom. Guthrie speaks directly to the kidnapper or anyone who has information about Nancy’s whereabouts to say “we believe in the essential goodness of every human being and it’s never too late.” This, as police say the gloves recovered near Guthrie’s home appear to match those worn by the suspect and contain DNA that is now being tested.
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Speaker 1: Hey that folks. It is Monday, February sixteenth, and we have gotten another video from Savannah Guthrie. And in this one, she is pleading with the possible kidnapper or with whoever knows who that kidnapper is. It is not too late to do the right thing. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rob. What did you make of and we're going to play it here for you, folks, But what did you make of this video? Maybe compared to some others, and in particular some of the language she used in this one.
00:00:31
Speaker 2: Look, I think she has tried over these past few weeks to appeal in any way to either yes the kidnapper or someone who knows of the kidnapping or knows who the kidnapper is. They have tried to humanize their mom. They've tried to beg plead, offer to pay money. This time it felt like she was desperate and out of options and exhausted and trying to just appeal to now the humanity of the kidnapper. It's she's taking off all the different ways you could possibly try to convince someone to yes, as she put it, do the right thing.
00:01:10
Speaker 1: You're right, I didn't think of it. She said, Okay, she's sick, help us out. In one video another video, she was appealing and saying, yes, we'll pay to your point, whepes, what other option do you have. I said, we'll give you this. I said we'll give you this. Now, all I got left is to try to appeal to you as a decent human being. For a second.
00:01:31
Speaker 2: That is desperation, yes, because the one before that, remember was the home videos of her mom as a young mother and her siblings as young children. Just everyone remembers those home videos. So saying she's just like us. Please remember your own mother, remember your own childhood. Please please give us our mother back, bring her home.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: And yeah, we are now officially in the third week of the search for Nancy Guthrie. But this video put out yesterday by Savannah on Instagram. It's about a minute fifteen seconds long in which he's making an appeal. Here now is Savannah Guthrie. Apologies for my delay in getting this thing cued up and playing again, total apology you all. I'm hitting play on this thing and it's not happening. Here we go.
00:02:20
Speaker 3: I wanted to come on and it's been two weeks since our mom was taken, and I just wanted to come on and say that we still have hope and we still believe. And I wanted to.
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Speaker 4: Say to whoever has her or knows where she is, that it's never too late, and you're not lost. We're alone, and it is never too late to do the right thing, and we are here. We believe, and we believe in the essential goodness of every human being, and it's never too late.
00:03:35
Speaker 1: All I wrote some words in there jumped out at me. This video was put out on the same day that we got word that there is possible new DNA evidence of a glove that was found. We'll get into that in just a moment. But in playing it and hearing it, what jumps out at you there in the language, and she chose to yes.
00:03:52
Speaker 2: Just what jumps out to me is her emotional fatigue. And even though as you're hearing her say we believe, it doesn't feel like she does. I just I felt incredible.
00:04:07
Speaker 5: I think that's fair sadness for her.
00:04:09
Speaker 2: It just in other ones, there was urgency, there was energy, There was there I felt the hope and the desperate need for information. This feels like exhaustion and desperation and and just sadness.
00:04:26
Speaker 5: The weight of all of this just I felt it. I felt her weight.
00:04:31
Speaker 1: The words here she used about you're not lost or alone. It almost seemed like she had been talking to someone and is like it's a direct appeal, a reaction to something she knows. I thought that was, like, what does she possibly mean? It sound like she was talking to someone specifically.
00:04:50
Speaker 2: It's interesting that was your take. When I heard that. I thought of her religious leanings. She is a very she's a woman of faith, and yeahweh you are not alone.
00:05:01
Speaker 5: God is always with you.
00:05:02
Speaker 2: I felt very religious to me in tone that trying to remind whoever this person is who took their mother that you're not lost, you're not alone, the essential goodness of every human being. It sounded like it had a lot of religious undertones to me.
00:05:19
Speaker 1: Whoever know, whoever has her or knows where she is now, the knows where she is robes it seems. And again we haven't had a lot, but a lot of notes have been coming in and it seems like they were getting further along with this person claiming to know who the kidnapper is in terms of interactions and back and forth and they were getting with the person who was sending in the actual ransom or alleged ransom emails. So she threw that in there or who knows where she is? Is that fair to sell? Or did you take it the same? It seemed like there was significant back and forth, like we were getting somewhere with the person who was sending the notes to TMZ.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we could only hope that she has some information that maybe she knows and we don't. That there is some validity or credibility to the person writing those notes to TMZ saying I will give up the person who took Nancy Guthrie if I get fifty thousand now and fifty thousand later, So maybe there isn't. That would be amazing if that is true. But I also think any crime that's ever been committed, especially of this magnitude, it's rarely done without someone else knowing, someone else, who that person came home to, who that person acted bizarrely in front of, who had some clothes to clean, or some you know, you always hear about this after the fact either.
00:06:42
Speaker 5: Sometimes these folks either have roommates, loved ones, best friends.
00:06:46
Speaker 2: Sometimes they can find it would be hard to believe that someone else close to or around the person who took Nancy Guthrie doesn't know or isn't thinking something's off.
00:06:59
Speaker 1: And the other point connected to that, Robes, is that most criminals aren't this good at covering their tracks, just not so that would lend itself to your theory. Somebody knows who this guy is. Somebody has to know, and maybe that's the way to go to appeal to the humanity of someone around this person rather than this person. That is a very good point. It seems so improbable, Rogues that nobody noticed this guy being gone overnight from his own home. He was acting strangely the next day or something.
00:07:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you imagine if you had that information, or you knew, or you were suspicious, I would hope your conscious would conscience would be eating away at you like it every day. You'd feel worse than terrible, and you would feel guilty about even having that knowledge. So she's trying to appeal to that person if that person exists out there who is adjacent to this kidnapping, who can possibly solve the crime.
00:07:58
Speaker 1: But it's hard to imagine at the same time, Roes that you having that and you know what maybe someone has whoever she's appealing to, has sent in a tip and they're waiting to get through it because it's number twenty thousand in the thirty thousand they got.
00:08:13
Speaker 5: Haven't you thought about that?
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Speaker 2: All the true true crime stories we have watched and read about and certainly even followed, there's the one tip, but it could be buried in thousands of other tips, and these investigators have to go through each one and treat each one like it could be that tip, the one that breaks the case. That is such a daunting, overwhelming concept. Imagine just you know, you have a couple hundred emails backed up in your inbox.
00:08:42
Speaker 5: You'd be like, oh my god, I have to go through.
00:08:44
Speaker 2: All of these, and you might skip important ones as you're trying to go through it all. That's what I was trying to imagine the task being like getting thirteen thousand emails. Now you have to go through all of them, but don't miss the one that actually is the one you have to have or the one you actually need to fine.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: That's police work, man, and on a high profile case, that is police where you love the tips, but man, you gotta go through all of them. And some well meaning people. Robes are out there saying I think I saw this, I think I saw that, and they're completely wrong, but they're trying to help, and police have to go through every one of them. I don't that's it's it's true, and it's why we're in a third week, and it's why we're in a third week and still don't seem to have too much more than we had on night one. But stay with us because there was a major development in this case having to do with a glove that was found with DNA that is now being tested. All Right, we continue here on Amy and TJ with the developments in the Nancy Guthrie case went missing. Now two weeks ago, eighty four year old mother of Today's Show host and Savannah Guthrie has been missing again. Robes told us on day one she's got vital medication that if she doesn't take every single day, she could die. And that was fifteen days ago. They told us this.
00:10:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's surreal, because at that time we were thinking, oh, this is gonna this case is going to be cracked imminently. I don't think any of us could have imagined that it would have been going on for this long and still almost no answers. And I saw something really interesting about part of the reason why this case is so different from other cases we've seen where someone goes missing or you're trying to find.
00:10:35
Speaker 5: A body basically of someone who's been murdered.
00:10:37
Speaker 2: We're so reliant now, or at least police have become so reliant now on surveillance video. And so that's why we heard early on the PMA County Sheriff saying we need neighbors doorbell cameras, we need and we thought, oh, this is going to be quick. We're going to get so many different angles. They're going to find that vehicle, they're going to see that person walking on the streets like we saw in Boston. We've just had so many recent crimes we've seen, so might take a couple of days, but once they get those videos, it kind of happens pretty quickly. I didn't realize this, but in the neighborhood that Nancy Guthrie lives, in the zoning laws, just in order to keep it as beautiful and bucolic as it is, you have to have one a one acre property, so they divide properties up acre by acre, so you don't have these small houses all lined up with all these cameras, and the houses have to be set back thirty feet from the road. So that makes a doorbell camera kind of not even that relevant now because it's so set back the idea that it would catch something. It's not like you're in an urban area or even a suburban area.
00:11:45
Speaker 5: This is so bad rural.
00:11:46
Speaker 1: You say thirty feet, and plenty, plenty of them are much further than thirty feet. I'm trying to give some kind of a perspective or context for something thirty feet away from your ring camera. Is it going to pick that stuff up at night? Probably not. It's probably just gonna pick up the stuff of activity right around your porch. And that's that's great, and the area is beautiful and that works just in this particular case. They don't need to change laws and this, in this particular case, it's not working. It's not helping. And that's a good point to bring up, Bros. Because the I think about the Brown University shooter, right, how they pieced together his movements based on camera here, camera there. They could track him and they tracked the car. And with so many of these cases we've seen the Ohio. What I can say it off the top of my head. Now cases the Ohio dentists, Yeah, they tracked him, found the car, found and pieced him together literally frame by frame, almost to track his ass back to Illinois. And in this case were like, you can't find it. Why did you not see? Well, that's why, and you're driving down even a car dright. She could have been taken from the front porch to a car driven down that road and not a single camera catches that exactly and looks impossible these days.
00:13:01
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm even seeing.
00:13:02
Speaker 2: Articles pop up about now people reconsidering where they have their elderly or their aging parents and not wanting them Like, yes, you can understand the draw of being in the middle of nature.
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Speaker 5: God, that sounds.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful, But if you're worried about safety of someone that you love, now suddenly these bucolic idyllic settings seem scary and security and not secure because of what we're seeing happening in terms of the investigation after the fact. Now there's no way to even pieces together. You pointed this out, I believe last week also there were ordinances on lighting correct they wanted to be able to see the night sky. This is all about enjoying the nature around and yet now it's steinying the investigation and figuring out what happened to her.
00:13:46
Speaker 1: That is so crazy. This story continues, and it's just those little elements even add to just are you kidding me kind of elements to this story. We did tell you there was a significant update having to do with a glove that was found. You've been hearing about this glove, but the FBA FBI did come out and say that yes, it in fact appears to match the gloves being worn by their suspect in that ring camera video from the porch. So you see that person with the ski mask on, the backpack on, and gloves on, messing around with the ring camera or hopes they're saying the gloves he's wearing. They believe they found some that match and they have some DNA in it.
00:14:28
Speaker 2: That's that's significant and hopefully that could at least create some results. Maybe they can match it with the DNA they found in the home see if it's from the same person.
00:14:39
Speaker 5: But that is very promising.
00:14:41
Speaker 2: And these gloves were found two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home.
00:14:45
Speaker 5: These were those gloves that a reporter was along for the ride correct and saw the gloves.
00:14:50
Speaker 2: So they found a lot of gloves there were like reports of but they said most of them were from investigators actually discarding the gloves.
00:14:57
Speaker 1: Even that was Is that normal behavior?
00:14:59
Speaker 2: Would you just throw gloves again, we're talking it is beautiful.
00:15:02
Speaker 5: No, but I feel like that's not okay.
00:15:05
Speaker 1: You know what okay you think about litter, I'm thinking about the investigation. Both of them are reasons not to throw your gloves. That that was weird, wasn't It seems.
00:15:13
Speaker 5: Like investigated investigating one on one.
00:15:16
Speaker 2: Don't throw your gloves in the middle of what still could be an active crime scene, because you know, you always go back in the research areas.
00:15:23
Speaker 5: Why would they discard them?
00:15:25
Speaker 1: But the number was at least sixteen pairs of gloves have been found, and most of them were discarded from searchers.
00:15:31
Speaker 2: Maybe they weren't like official searchers, maybe they were, maybe they were neighbors. But still I don't think you would. Probably what I say, you don't want to poop where you eat. I doubt usually if you're from the area, you're very aware of not leaving your mark behind.
00:15:47
Speaker 1: Again, add another bizarre element to this story, a story that now is in its third week of a search, and I guess Roges, it's fair to say the biggest development was that ring camera video, absolutely that we've seen right, But other than that, the major developments have been fairly few and far between. A few people put in detainment by detained by police at times during investigation, they were all that go. They are not still from what we understand, rope still being looked at. So there is no one right now, and they haven't named the person certainly publicly, but they keep saying they don't have one behind the scenes, no suspect, no person of interest.
00:16:24
Speaker 2: Three weeks in, Wow, we only know that the person they are looking for is five nine to five ten medium build, had that Ozark Trails backpack that was sold.
00:16:33
Speaker 5: Exclusively at Walmart.
00:16:34
Speaker 2: I've also seen that they believe the clothing he was wearing was purchased at Walmart as well. And those deadlines that we got from those early ransom notes have all passed, and we did see the gu three siblings take those deadlines seriously. They released videos in conjunction with those deadlines saying we will pay. So here you have a family saying we will pay and silence.
00:16:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't lend itself right. If the point of the kidnapping is ransom and they just told you we'll give you what you want and you don't make the deal, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's other person who claims they know who the kidnapper is, how they're wanting to be paid, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. But that was I think that was legit negotiating that was going on, or it seemed to through tmze story Right now, where is Nancy Guthrie.
00:17:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the only hope right now is either a tip that someone finally does the right thing, or this DNA actually leads to some sort of a hit on someone, whether they go through a genealogy website or this person might be in their database.
00:17:43
Speaker 5: But certainly the DNA that.
00:17:45
Speaker 2: They found at the home did not match anyone known at this point.
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Speaker 5: So but that is the biggest lead so far.
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Speaker 1: Hey that folks. It is Monday, February sixteenth, and we have gotten another video from Savannah Guthrie. And in this one, she is pleading with the possible kidnapper or with whoever knows who that kidnapper is. It is not too late to do the right thing. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rob. What did you make of and we're going to play it here for you, folks, But what did you make of this video? Maybe compared to some others, and in particular some of the language she used in this one.
00:00:31
Speaker 2: Look, I think she has tried over these past few weeks to appeal in any way to either yes the kidnapper or someone who knows of the kidnapping or knows who the kidnapper is. They have tried to humanize their mom. They've tried to beg plead, offer to pay money. This time it felt like she was desperate and out of options and exhausted and trying to just appeal to now the humanity of the kidnapper. It's she's taking off all the different ways you could possibly try to convince someone to yes, as she put it, do the right thing.
00:01:10
Speaker 1: You're right, I didn't think of it. She said, Okay, she's sick, help us out. In one video another video, she was appealing and saying, yes, we'll pay to your point, whepes, what other option do you have. I said, we'll give you this. I said we'll give you this. Now, all I got left is to try to appeal to you as a decent human being. For a second.
00:01:31
Speaker 2: That is desperation, yes, because the one before that, remember was the home videos of her mom as a young mother and her siblings as young children. Just everyone remembers those home videos. So saying she's just like us. Please remember your own mother, remember your own childhood. Please please give us our mother back, bring her home.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: And yeah, we are now officially in the third week of the search for Nancy Guthrie. But this video put out yesterday by Savannah on Instagram. It's about a minute fifteen seconds long in which he's making an appeal. Here now is Savannah Guthrie. Apologies for my delay in getting this thing cued up and playing again, total apology you all. I'm hitting play on this thing and it's not happening. Here we go.
00:02:20
Speaker 3: I wanted to come on and it's been two weeks since our mom was taken, and I just wanted to come on and say that we still have hope and we still believe. And I wanted to.
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Speaker 4: Say to whoever has her or knows where she is, that it's never too late, and you're not lost. We're alone, and it is never too late to do the right thing, and we are here. We believe, and we believe in the essential goodness of every human being, and it's never too late.
00:03:35
Speaker 1: All I wrote some words in there jumped out at me. This video was put out on the same day that we got word that there is possible new DNA evidence of a glove that was found. We'll get into that in just a moment. But in playing it and hearing it, what jumps out at you there in the language, and she chose to yes.
00:03:52
Speaker 2: Just what jumps out to me is her emotional fatigue. And even though as you're hearing her say we believe, it doesn't feel like she does. I just I felt incredible.
00:04:07
Speaker 5: I think that's fair sadness for her.
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Speaker 2: It just in other ones, there was urgency, there was energy, There was there I felt the hope and the desperate need for information. This feels like exhaustion and desperation and and just sadness.
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Speaker 5: The weight of all of this just I felt it. I felt her weight.
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Speaker 1: The words here she used about you're not lost or alone. It almost seemed like she had been talking to someone and is like it's a direct appeal, a reaction to something she knows. I thought that was, like, what does she possibly mean? It sound like she was talking to someone specifically.
00:04:50
Speaker 2: It's interesting that was your take. When I heard that. I thought of her religious leanings. She is a very she's a woman of faith, and yeahweh you are not alone.
00:05:01
Speaker 5: God is always with you.
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Speaker 2: I felt very religious to me in tone that trying to remind whoever this person is who took their mother that you're not lost, you're not alone, the essential goodness of every human being. It sounded like it had a lot of religious undertones to me.
00:05:19
Speaker 1: Whoever know, whoever has her or knows where she is now, the knows where she is robes it seems. And again we haven't had a lot, but a lot of notes have been coming in and it seems like they were getting further along with this person claiming to know who the kidnapper is in terms of interactions and back and forth and they were getting with the person who was sending in the actual ransom or alleged ransom emails. So she threw that in there or who knows where she is? Is that fair to sell? Or did you take it the same? It seemed like there was significant back and forth, like we were getting somewhere with the person who was sending the notes to TMZ.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we could only hope that she has some information that maybe she knows and we don't. That there is some validity or credibility to the person writing those notes to TMZ saying I will give up the person who took Nancy Guthrie if I get fifty thousand now and fifty thousand later, So maybe there isn't. That would be amazing if that is true. But I also think any crime that's ever been committed, especially of this magnitude, it's rarely done without someone else knowing, someone else, who that person came home to, who that person acted bizarrely in front of, who had some clothes to clean, or some you know, you always hear about this after the fact either.
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Speaker 5: Sometimes these folks either have roommates, loved ones, best friends.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes they can find it would be hard to believe that someone else close to or around the person who took Nancy Guthrie doesn't know or isn't thinking something's off.
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Speaker 1: And the other point connected to that, Robes, is that most criminals aren't this good at covering their tracks, just not so that would lend itself to your theory. Somebody knows who this guy is. Somebody has to know, and maybe that's the way to go to appeal to the humanity of someone around this person rather than this person. That is a very good point. It seems so improbable, Rogues that nobody noticed this guy being gone overnight from his own home. He was acting strangely the next day or something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you imagine if you had that information, or you knew, or you were suspicious, I would hope your conscious would conscience would be eating away at you like it every day. You'd feel worse than terrible, and you would feel guilty about even having that knowledge. So she's trying to appeal to that person if that person exists out there who is adjacent to this kidnapping, who can possibly solve the crime.
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Speaker 1: But it's hard to imagine at the same time, Roes that you having that and you know what maybe someone has whoever she's appealing to, has sent in a tip and they're waiting to get through it because it's number twenty thousand in the thirty thousand they got.
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Speaker 5: Haven't you thought about that?
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Speaker 2: All the true true crime stories we have watched and read about and certainly even followed, there's the one tip, but it could be buried in thousands of other tips, and these investigators have to go through each one and treat each one like it could be that tip, the one that breaks the case. That is such a daunting, overwhelming concept. Imagine just you know, you have a couple hundred emails backed up in your inbox.
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Speaker 5: You'd be like, oh my god, I have to go through.
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Speaker 2: All of these, and you might skip important ones as you're trying to go through it all. That's what I was trying to imagine the task being like getting thirteen thousand emails. Now you have to go through all of them, but don't miss the one that actually is the one you have to have or the one you actually need to fine.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: That's police work, man, and on a high profile case, that is police where you love the tips, but man, you gotta go through all of them. And some well meaning people. Robes are out there saying I think I saw this, I think I saw that, and they're completely wrong, but they're trying to help, and police have to go through every one of them. I don't that's it's it's true, and it's why we're in a third week, and it's why we're in a third week and still don't seem to have too much more than we had on night one. But stay with us because there was a major development in this case having to do with a glove that was found with DNA that is now being tested. All Right, we continue here on Amy and TJ with the developments in the Nancy Guthrie case went missing. Now two weeks ago, eighty four year old mother of Today's Show host and Savannah Guthrie has been missing again. Robes told us on day one she's got vital medication that if she doesn't take every single day, she could die. And that was fifteen days ago. They told us this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's surreal, because at that time we were thinking, oh, this is gonna this case is going to be cracked imminently. I don't think any of us could have imagined that it would have been going on for this long and still almost no answers. And I saw something really interesting about part of the reason why this case is so different from other cases we've seen where someone goes missing or you're trying to find.
00:10:35
Speaker 5: A body basically of someone who's been murdered.
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Speaker 2: We're so reliant now, or at least police have become so reliant now on surveillance video. And so that's why we heard early on the PMA County Sheriff saying we need neighbors doorbell cameras, we need and we thought, oh, this is going to be quick. We're going to get so many different angles. They're going to find that vehicle, they're going to see that person walking on the streets like we saw in Boston. We've just had so many recent crimes we've seen, so might take a couple of days, but once they get those videos, it kind of happens pretty quickly. I didn't realize this, but in the neighborhood that Nancy Guthrie lives, in the zoning laws, just in order to keep it as beautiful and bucolic as it is, you have to have one a one acre property, so they divide properties up acre by acre, so you don't have these small houses all lined up with all these cameras, and the houses have to be set back thirty feet from the road. So that makes a doorbell camera kind of not even that relevant now because it's so set back the idea that it would catch something. It's not like you're in an urban area or even a suburban area.
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Speaker 5: This is so bad rural.
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Speaker 1: You say thirty feet, and plenty, plenty of them are much further than thirty feet. I'm trying to give some kind of a perspective or context for something thirty feet away from your ring camera. Is it going to pick that stuff up at night? Probably not. It's probably just gonna pick up the stuff of activity right around your porch. And that's that's great, and the area is beautiful and that works just in this particular case. They don't need to change laws and this, in this particular case, it's not working. It's not helping. And that's a good point to bring up, Bros. Because the I think about the Brown University shooter, right, how they pieced together his movements based on camera here, camera there. They could track him and they tracked the car. And with so many of these cases we've seen the Ohio. What I can say it off the top of my head. Now cases the Ohio dentists, Yeah, they tracked him, found the car, found and pieced him together literally frame by frame, almost to track his ass back to Illinois. And in this case were like, you can't find it. Why did you not see? Well, that's why, and you're driving down even a car dright. She could have been taken from the front porch to a car driven down that road and not a single camera catches that exactly and looks impossible these days.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm even seeing.
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Speaker 2: Articles pop up about now people reconsidering where they have their elderly or their aging parents and not wanting them Like, yes, you can understand the draw of being in the middle of nature.
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Speaker 5: God, that sounds.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful, But if you're worried about safety of someone that you love, now suddenly these bucolic idyllic settings seem scary and security and not secure because of what we're seeing happening in terms of the investigation after the fact. Now there's no way to even pieces together. You pointed this out, I believe last week also there were ordinances on lighting correct they wanted to be able to see the night sky. This is all about enjoying the nature around and yet now it's steinying the investigation and figuring out what happened to her.
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Speaker 1: That is so crazy. This story continues, and it's just those little elements even add to just are you kidding me kind of elements to this story. We did tell you there was a significant update having to do with a glove that was found. You've been hearing about this glove, but the FBA FBI did come out and say that yes, it in fact appears to match the gloves being worn by their suspect in that ring camera video from the porch. So you see that person with the ski mask on, the backpack on, and gloves on, messing around with the ring camera or hopes they're saying the gloves he's wearing. They believe they found some that match and they have some DNA in it.
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Speaker 2: That's that's significant and hopefully that could at least create some results. Maybe they can match it with the DNA they found in the home see if it's from the same person.
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Speaker 5: But that is very promising.
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Speaker 2: And these gloves were found two miles from Nancy Guthrie's home.
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Speaker 5: These were those gloves that a reporter was along for the ride correct and saw the gloves.
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Speaker 2: So they found a lot of gloves there were like reports of but they said most of them were from investigators actually discarding the gloves.
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Speaker 1: Even that was Is that normal behavior?
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Speaker 2: Would you just throw gloves again, we're talking it is beautiful.
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Speaker 5: No, but I feel like that's not okay.
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Speaker 1: You know what okay you think about litter, I'm thinking about the investigation. Both of them are reasons not to throw your gloves. That that was weird, wasn't It seems.
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Speaker 5: Like investigated investigating one on one.
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Speaker 2: Don't throw your gloves in the middle of what still could be an active crime scene, because you know, you always go back in the research areas.
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Speaker 5: Why would they discard them?
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Speaker 1: But the number was at least sixteen pairs of gloves have been found, and most of them were discarded from searchers.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they weren't like official searchers, maybe they were, maybe they were neighbors. But still I don't think you would. Probably what I say, you don't want to poop where you eat. I doubt usually if you're from the area, you're very aware of not leaving your mark behind.
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Speaker 1: Again, add another bizarre element to this story, a story that now is in its third week of a search, and I guess Roges, it's fair to say the biggest development was that ring camera video, absolutely that we've seen right, But other than that, the major developments have been fairly few and far between. A few people put in detainment by detained by police at times during investigation, they were all that go. They are not still from what we understand, rope still being looked at. So there is no one right now, and they haven't named the person certainly publicly, but they keep saying they don't have one behind the scenes, no suspect, no person of interest.
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Speaker 2: Three weeks in, Wow, we only know that the person they are looking for is five nine to five ten medium build, had that Ozark Trails backpack that was sold.
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Speaker 5: Exclusively at Walmart.
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Speaker 2: I've also seen that they believe the clothing he was wearing was purchased at Walmart as well. And those deadlines that we got from those early ransom notes have all passed, and we did see the gu three siblings take those deadlines seriously. They released videos in conjunction with those deadlines saying we will pay. So here you have a family saying we will pay and silence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't lend itself right. If the point of the kidnapping is ransom and they just told you we'll give you what you want and you don't make the deal, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That's other person who claims they know who the kidnapper is, how they're wanting to be paid, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. But that was I think that was legit negotiating that was going on, or it seemed to through tmze story Right now, where is Nancy Guthrie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the only hope right now is either a tip that someone finally does the right thing, or this DNA actually leads to some sort of a hit on someone, whether they go through a genealogy website or this person might be in their database.
00:17:43
Speaker 5: But certainly the DNA that.
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Speaker 2: They found at the home did not match anyone known at this point.
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Speaker 5: So but that is the biggest lead so far.
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