July 31, 2026
Nancy Guthrie UPDATE: DNA Results From Hair Sample Revealed, As Man Questioned In Case Sues For Millions
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RSS Feed Today marks exactly 6 months since Nancy Guthrie was last seen alive, after her son-in-law dropped her off at her Tucson home on January 31st. This, as Sheriff Nanos revealed the hair sample found in Nancy’s home, turned up no identifiable leads. There is just one piece of forensic DNA left to test and Nanos acknowledged technology might not be in place to sort out the mixed DNA in the sample. Meantime, the man arrested and detained for several hours during the early days of the investigation, is now suing Pima County along with two family members, demanding a total of $3.25 million dollars for their ordeal.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: It is Friday, July thirty first, and a demand for money is being made in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. But it's not coming from a kidnapper. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. I don't know how I felt about this. Do what you gotta do, and it's fine. I don't know why this. It felt icky, but I get it if he feels like he's been wrong Robes, but a wrong arrest is worth a couple million dollars.
00:00:31
Speaker 3: Apparently, I actually know exactly how I feel about this. I think it is disgusting.
00:00:37
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give him some space for what he went through, Babe. I just I don't know. It just feels icky.
00:00:42
Speaker 4: Ah, this is tough.
00:00:42
Speaker 3: So and look this all falls this news, this headline comes to us. I feel like on a just on an ominous day. Perhaps it is exactly on July thirty first, today, six months to the day where Nancy Guthrie was last seen alive January thirty first, when her son in law drop her off at her home.
00:01:01
Speaker 4: She has never been seen since.
00:01:03
Speaker 3: And yes, we are now getting word that Carlos Palazuelos and you know his base because we know you've been following this case. He was the man who was briefly detained in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, and he was taken and questioned for he said he was held for seven to eight hours and he was released without charges. Well, because of that, he wants Pima County and he assuming the Pima County Sheriff's Department, Sheriff Chris Nanos and Detective Earl Garon for two point five million dollars.
00:01:37
Speaker 1: And folk this was broke.
00:01:39
Speaker 4: His ordeal.
00:01:42
Speaker 2: Was maybe one of the biggest, biggest developments in the case. Turned out not to be anything but Rome's when we started getting words somebody was detained and they were at his house, and Romes thought this was it, and what was the weird connection to like a he was a drive. He was a door ass driver. Okay, so Robes like, my goodness, this is it. And then the next thing we know, we see him doing an impromptu press conference pitched black at night with cameras on the front porch.
00:02:10
Speaker 4: Like so that's my point.
00:02:11
Speaker 3: The police never I don't recall the police identifying him, and I certainly know the police did not call him a person of interest. They did not say he was under arrest or suspicion. They were just questioning someone in their investigation. He is the one who went out in front of cameras, sat on that porch and described in detail what happened. And here's the deal. It's not just Carlos asking for two point five million dollars. He also filed on behalf and this is where it gets really stinky to me. He also filed on behalf of two of his family members. Daniel Maddox claims he was cuffed and held under armed guard outside the family home and for that experience he would like five hundred thousand dollars. Josephina Maddox, who owns the home, is saying the deputies did serious damage to her property while they execute did a search warrant, and she would like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So in total, this family says they would like three point twenty five million dollars from Pima County.
00:03:12
Speaker 1: Where do you.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: Leave space for that experience, for their experience, how they were treated and were some rights in some way violated. I God, baby, this feels so when I are the parts about the family members.
00:03:32
Speaker 3: That's where I really they wrecked that house really worth that's really hard for me to believe, maybe very difficult for me to be.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: And the brother was detained, He was.
00:03:45
Speaker 4: Cuffed in his home, he claims, and the armed guard part and for his police officer.
00:03:53
Speaker 1: That's what they But they say armed guard?
00:03:54
Speaker 3: Did they say armed guard aka a police officer who has a holst gun watching.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: You while they try to figure out if you're connected to the biggest crime of the year.
00:04:06
Speaker 1: I don't know, Robes.
00:04:07
Speaker 2: I know they have plenty of leeway in you can be detained without actually being arrested. And what why are we trying to break this down? I don't rose this. It feels wrong. It feels like a grab.
00:04:20
Speaker 3: It also feels wrong given the fact that that you've got a family still grieving and publicly pleading for information and they're trying to take funds away from the very agency that is trying to find Nancy Guthrie. Just the timing, even it's just we it just feels awful.
00:04:41
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a way to just say, you know what, that they you know what, they have every right to?
00:04:45
Speaker 1: How about that have every right to.
00:04:47
Speaker 3: They have every right to and then folks have every right to feel the way they feel about it. So that's where we stand on that. But there were also some big developments that unfortunately haven't really given any answers. And the big biggest development is that DNA results are back on that hair sample from Nancy Guthrie's home. So much was made about this hair sample. I believe it was entwined with another piece of hair and they were having to delicately try to untangle the hair to try and determine whose hair it could be because they did know it was from a male and not a member of the Guthrie family or a known friend who had been over at the house. Sheriff Nanos said this, the hair was done and there was nothing, and is it.
00:05:32
Speaker 2: We've been waiting months and months and months and months for results of some kind.
00:05:36
Speaker 1: Roll this was.
00:05:37
Speaker 2: This was a blow, unfortunately. But what's left, like, what else is there to wait on, at least from a lab versus waiting for a phone call in the right break?
00:05:49
Speaker 3: Togay, Yes, so there is only one known piece of biological evidence left. It is a mixed sample of DNA that they were able to get out of Nancy Guthrie's home and Sheriff nanos this is crazy, has just revealed that it is a mix. This DNA mix is of as many as four people. Who's trying to explain why it's so complicated. He actually said, it's unclear that there is even technology, current technology to untangle the four people's mixed DNA in this sample. And he said, look, I think his quote was, oh, we have some of the brightest minds in the nation, if not the world, working on this. He listed the FBI lab in Quantico. There are labs in Kansas, Florida, California, and Arizona, all working to try and untangle again with that same word, this DNA sample that they got from her home. But literally, that is the last piece of physical biological evidence that they still have to test.
00:06:57
Speaker 4: And after that, there's not thing.
00:07:01
Speaker 2: There has I mean, I don't know the closest. Rather, I'm trying to think of other investigative updates. Right they were saying that there was a group that was looking in a location because they got a tip that turned out to be nothing. That just hasn't been a significant update that makes you think something upbreak is coming. And they're listening to the sheriff, Nan Alos. We haven't had significant updates from him. This is significant and it's significantly bad news.
00:07:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now this is where they are six months to the day. There are no leads. Obviously they have no idea where she may be. And also of note that one point two million dollars, it's it's in some ascro somewhere, it is fully there. No one has claimed that one point two million dollars. That seems remarkable. A lot of folks have been already trying to figure out does that mean that there was just one person involved, because you've got to think if there were multiple people involved, either that's the tightest circle I've ever seen, or enough people feel like they would be so implicated or face criminal charges that any amount of money wouldn't be worth speaking up or speaking out. But again, this can all be done anonymously. I know people don't trust the system, but I do think it's remarkable. We know obviously at least one person knows what happened, but you gotta think that person had help. It would maybe not, Maybe they acted solo. Maybe they acted alone, and maybe they're the only ones who know. And obviously they're not going to give up any information in exchange for money, for fear of being arrested. This is obviously one of the biggest stories in recent years, and so I think this person knows they would be in serious lifelong trouble.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: I mean brokes the.
00:08:54
Speaker 2: Money part, and we just we were all suggesting are A lot of people were suggesting that that Savannahuther had given a clue as to maybe money had been paid to someone right with her most recent video. But like you said, there's no indication that any money has gone to anybody.
00:09:11
Speaker 1: Ropes. So we sit and we wait and wait for a break.
00:09:15
Speaker 2: You say, somebody always tells somebody, and then it's just you can't keep a secret like this big for that long. But Ropes, there are mysteries that have gone unsolved forever, and I'm just not used to living through one.
00:09:30
Speaker 1: We're just not.
00:09:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, there have only been a few. I think of Madeline McCann. I think of Jean Bonney Ramsey. Even though they did find a John Beny of Ramsey's body, they still don't know who's responsible for her sexual assault and her death. There are a few of them, but they are rare, and living through one like this with a colleague and a friend who we have known and loved and feel for her every day as she goes to work, and every now and then gives updates on the Today Show and says that she cries every day to work, cries every day going back home. This is something she has to live with in excruciating pain each and every day. So to have it be personal and to have it be happening in real time is just exceptional to witness. But when we come back, we're going to talk about that new and some would say perhaps cryptic message that Savannah Guthrie released this week.
00:10:21
Speaker 4: It was her first video post since April.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: And and and welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We are talking about some of the headlines surrounding Nancy Guthrie, none of the ones we wanted to see or hear, this being the six month anniversary today of the last day she was seen alive. And yes, we're hearing about a lawsuit from the man who was questioned for several hours. We're hearing about the fact that the hair that everyone had so much hope would lead directly to the subs. Yeah, it turned up nothing. And now there's one last bit of forensic evidence that possibly could shed some light, but it certainly didn't sound like anyone was that hopeful that that would yield any results. But we did get this video message from Savannah this week, and Babe, what did you think about it when you heard it?
00:11:22
Speaker 2: Oh, that she paid and that the family had paid and we are waiting for word. That seemed like a direct like she could have texted that message to the kidnapper. She would have like that seemed like she was talking directly. So road was the language she used. We've done our part, and that's what she said. That was the next sentence. She didn't say the next thing, but it was now, we're waiting on you to do yours.
00:11:47
Speaker 3: That was as soon as we heard her say we've done our part, you and I both looked at each other and said whoa. And look, it had to have meant something. She was speaking directly to her mother's kidnapper. That's exactly how she worded it. And yes, the one point two million dollars for information leading to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie, they're not even asking in that one point two million reward money for an arrest or a conviction. They just want to know where their mom is. That's all still being held. That doesn't mean that Savannah or her family members might not have personally had some sort of transaction with someone, and that's what this seems to suggest. It was interesting her first line, and you reacted to it. She said, I'm coming on today with a very specific message. But then what she went on to say was, as you pointed out, incredibly vague, but maybe only could only be truly understood by the person it was intended for.
00:12:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what the plea was because I thought it was going to be a public plea, and it was a private plea made publicly. Rather, this wasn't for all of us necessarily. She did have something in there, right, and told people to state vision or just to keep an eye out, just say hey, we'll take any information. But yeah, it seemed like she is waiting on something she hasn't gotten yet. Yes, that she was expecting from whoever this person is she's communicating.
00:13:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, Yeah, we have done our part and we will never stop looking for her. We will always ache for her and feel that feel that hole in our hearts. This is what I thought was interesting. The world can be a cruel and unforgiving place. And I know that you have tried to do things the right way. So I'm asking you, begging you to do the right thing. Now, make the right choice, help us find her, tell us where to look for her. So that does suggest there was some sort of communication. She's acknowledging that this person tried to do things the right way. What could that possibly mean?
00:13:52
Speaker 2: I can't even begin It's just all over the place. She might be talking to someone who sent information as not actually a kidnapper. Is she actually talking to the kidnapper?
00:14:00
Speaker 3: Right?
00:14:00
Speaker 2: Who is she directing this towards? When she says tell us where to look? That suggested maybe it wasn't the kidnapper and a tipster, or it could be the actual kidnapper. She's saying, we don't want anything to do with you, We're not coming after you.
00:14:11
Speaker 1: Where is she? You could take it.
00:14:14
Speaker 4: Either way, man, tell us where to look for her.
00:14:18
Speaker 3: And yes, she just keeps talking about this person making the right choice. So to that point, yes, it does perhaps suggest she's not talking to the kidnapper. She's talking to the person who knows the kidnapper, who knows of the kidnapping, who knows, because that was the whole string of emails that was sent to TMZ about this person who claimed to know who had pictures that never bore fruit. I mean, it is sad and sick to know that so many people are trying to just insert themselves into this story and somehow get a payday out of it. And I think that's what also just feels so icky about this lawsuit that's being filed, because it's about getting paid, about having some sort of financial gain while you've got a family publicly grieving for answers.
00:15:02
Speaker 1: It's such a difficult one.
00:15:03
Speaker 2: I just don't want We don't know the guys, so I don't want to indict him as being a bad person. I don't know who's been in his ear, what lawyer told him, Hey, I bet you can da da da da. But they made a request, they put them on notice. They say, oh yeah, we can settle this thing. Just still it's a two and a half million, do's a go away. Obviously the city of the county is not going to do that. So what they're going to try to litigate was this just a threat robes? Is this just a negotiation? That feels even worse if you just throw that number out and the lawyer, Ah.
00:15:32
Speaker 1: They're gonna settle.
00:15:33
Speaker 2: Let's just do this, maybe get a couple hundred thousand, and that sounds good. I don't know what you do, man, cause I don't want to take away I don't know his experience. Robes, who everybody arrested could could actually say I want to assue you for two and a half million dollars.
00:15:47
Speaker 4: That's my question.
00:15:49
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's is there an obvious or an expected recourse for someone if they're arrested without being charged, if they're arrested and then cleared. Isn't that part of a process in investigating something?
00:16:06
Speaker 4: And don't we have to just look.
00:16:07
Speaker 3: I understand it might have been an uncomfortable situation and a difficult situation, but to expect millions of dollars in return for seven hours of being detained doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
00:16:19
Speaker 2: Are they going to make some constitutional rights were violated in some way? And I don't know, Rose, but that's a that's a stretch. It feels awful.
00:16:31
Speaker 3: It can't be Also, I was just also once again thinking of Savannah and her family, just hearing this and seeing this side of things. It's just it's not the headlines they're hoping for, and certainly the ugliness that has followed now because of this lawsuit just can't sit well with them.
00:16:47
Speaker 1: And then the brother wants two hundred and fifty for being in handcuffs.
00:16:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, with an armed guard in his own home. He wants five hundred half million for the handcuffs, Yeah, half a million. Will continue to follow all the developments, hopefully there will be one that actually will provide some answers for the Guthrie family. We can only hope so, but we always appreciate you listening to us.
00:17:09
Speaker 4: Everyone. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: It is Friday, July thirty first, and a demand for money is being made in the Nancy Guthrie investigation. But it's not coming from a kidnapper. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. I don't know how I felt about this. Do what you gotta do, and it's fine. I don't know why this. It felt icky, but I get it if he feels like he's been wrong Robes, but a wrong arrest is worth a couple million dollars.
00:00:31
Speaker 3: Apparently, I actually know exactly how I feel about this. I think it is disgusting.
00:00:37
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give him some space for what he went through, Babe. I just I don't know. It just feels icky.
00:00:42
Speaker 4: Ah, this is tough.
00:00:42
Speaker 3: So and look this all falls this news, this headline comes to us. I feel like on a just on an ominous day. Perhaps it is exactly on July thirty first, today, six months to the day where Nancy Guthrie was last seen alive January thirty first, when her son in law drop her off at her home.
00:01:01
Speaker 4: She has never been seen since.
00:01:03
Speaker 3: And yes, we are now getting word that Carlos Palazuelos and you know his base because we know you've been following this case. He was the man who was briefly detained in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, and he was taken and questioned for he said he was held for seven to eight hours and he was released without charges. Well, because of that, he wants Pima County and he assuming the Pima County Sheriff's Department, Sheriff Chris Nanos and Detective Earl Garon for two point five million dollars.
00:01:37
Speaker 1: And folk this was broke.
00:01:39
Speaker 4: His ordeal.
00:01:42
Speaker 2: Was maybe one of the biggest, biggest developments in the case. Turned out not to be anything but Rome's when we started getting words somebody was detained and they were at his house, and Romes thought this was it, and what was the weird connection to like a he was a drive. He was a door ass driver. Okay, so Robes like, my goodness, this is it. And then the next thing we know, we see him doing an impromptu press conference pitched black at night with cameras on the front porch.
00:02:10
Speaker 4: Like so that's my point.
00:02:11
Speaker 3: The police never I don't recall the police identifying him, and I certainly know the police did not call him a person of interest. They did not say he was under arrest or suspicion. They were just questioning someone in their investigation. He is the one who went out in front of cameras, sat on that porch and described in detail what happened. And here's the deal. It's not just Carlos asking for two point five million dollars. He also filed on behalf and this is where it gets really stinky to me. He also filed on behalf of two of his family members. Daniel Maddox claims he was cuffed and held under armed guard outside the family home and for that experience he would like five hundred thousand dollars. Josephina Maddox, who owns the home, is saying the deputies did serious damage to her property while they execute did a search warrant, and she would like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So in total, this family says they would like three point twenty five million dollars from Pima County.
00:03:12
Speaker 1: Where do you.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: Leave space for that experience, for their experience, how they were treated and were some rights in some way violated. I God, baby, this feels so when I are the parts about the family members.
00:03:32
Speaker 3: That's where I really they wrecked that house really worth that's really hard for me to believe, maybe very difficult for me to be.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: And the brother was detained, He was.
00:03:45
Speaker 4: Cuffed in his home, he claims, and the armed guard part and for his police officer.
00:03:53
Speaker 1: That's what they But they say armed guard?
00:03:54
Speaker 3: Did they say armed guard aka a police officer who has a holst gun watching.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: You while they try to figure out if you're connected to the biggest crime of the year.
00:04:06
Speaker 1: I don't know, Robes.
00:04:07
Speaker 2: I know they have plenty of leeway in you can be detained without actually being arrested. And what why are we trying to break this down? I don't rose this. It feels wrong. It feels like a grab.
00:04:20
Speaker 3: It also feels wrong given the fact that that you've got a family still grieving and publicly pleading for information and they're trying to take funds away from the very agency that is trying to find Nancy Guthrie. Just the timing, even it's just we it just feels awful.
00:04:41
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a way to just say, you know what, that they you know what, they have every right to?
00:04:45
Speaker 1: How about that have every right to.
00:04:47
Speaker 3: They have every right to and then folks have every right to feel the way they feel about it. So that's where we stand on that. But there were also some big developments that unfortunately haven't really given any answers. And the big biggest development is that DNA results are back on that hair sample from Nancy Guthrie's home. So much was made about this hair sample. I believe it was entwined with another piece of hair and they were having to delicately try to untangle the hair to try and determine whose hair it could be because they did know it was from a male and not a member of the Guthrie family or a known friend who had been over at the house. Sheriff Nanos said this, the hair was done and there was nothing, and is it.
00:05:32
Speaker 2: We've been waiting months and months and months and months for results of some kind.
00:05:36
Speaker 1: Roll this was.
00:05:37
Speaker 2: This was a blow, unfortunately. But what's left, like, what else is there to wait on, at least from a lab versus waiting for a phone call in the right break?
00:05:49
Speaker 3: Togay, Yes, so there is only one known piece of biological evidence left. It is a mixed sample of DNA that they were able to get out of Nancy Guthrie's home and Sheriff nanos this is crazy, has just revealed that it is a mix. This DNA mix is of as many as four people. Who's trying to explain why it's so complicated. He actually said, it's unclear that there is even technology, current technology to untangle the four people's mixed DNA in this sample. And he said, look, I think his quote was, oh, we have some of the brightest minds in the nation, if not the world, working on this. He listed the FBI lab in Quantico. There are labs in Kansas, Florida, California, and Arizona, all working to try and untangle again with that same word, this DNA sample that they got from her home. But literally, that is the last piece of physical biological evidence that they still have to test.
00:06:57
Speaker 4: And after that, there's not thing.
00:07:01
Speaker 2: There has I mean, I don't know the closest. Rather, I'm trying to think of other investigative updates. Right they were saying that there was a group that was looking in a location because they got a tip that turned out to be nothing. That just hasn't been a significant update that makes you think something upbreak is coming. And they're listening to the sheriff, Nan Alos. We haven't had significant updates from him. This is significant and it's significantly bad news.
00:07:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now this is where they are six months to the day. There are no leads. Obviously they have no idea where she may be. And also of note that one point two million dollars, it's it's in some ascro somewhere, it is fully there. No one has claimed that one point two million dollars. That seems remarkable. A lot of folks have been already trying to figure out does that mean that there was just one person involved, because you've got to think if there were multiple people involved, either that's the tightest circle I've ever seen, or enough people feel like they would be so implicated or face criminal charges that any amount of money wouldn't be worth speaking up or speaking out. But again, this can all be done anonymously. I know people don't trust the system, but I do think it's remarkable. We know obviously at least one person knows what happened, but you gotta think that person had help. It would maybe not, Maybe they acted solo. Maybe they acted alone, and maybe they're the only ones who know. And obviously they're not going to give up any information in exchange for money, for fear of being arrested. This is obviously one of the biggest stories in recent years, and so I think this person knows they would be in serious lifelong trouble.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: I mean brokes the.
00:08:54
Speaker 2: Money part, and we just we were all suggesting are A lot of people were suggesting that that Savannahuther had given a clue as to maybe money had been paid to someone right with her most recent video. But like you said, there's no indication that any money has gone to anybody.
00:09:11
Speaker 1: Ropes. So we sit and we wait and wait for a break.
00:09:15
Speaker 2: You say, somebody always tells somebody, and then it's just you can't keep a secret like this big for that long. But Ropes, there are mysteries that have gone unsolved forever, and I'm just not used to living through one.
00:09:30
Speaker 1: We're just not.
00:09:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, there have only been a few. I think of Madeline McCann. I think of Jean Bonney Ramsey. Even though they did find a John Beny of Ramsey's body, they still don't know who's responsible for her sexual assault and her death. There are a few of them, but they are rare, and living through one like this with a colleague and a friend who we have known and loved and feel for her every day as she goes to work, and every now and then gives updates on the Today Show and says that she cries every day to work, cries every day going back home. This is something she has to live with in excruciating pain each and every day. So to have it be personal and to have it be happening in real time is just exceptional to witness. But when we come back, we're going to talk about that new and some would say perhaps cryptic message that Savannah Guthrie released this week.
00:10:21
Speaker 4: It was her first video post since April.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: And and and welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We are talking about some of the headlines surrounding Nancy Guthrie, none of the ones we wanted to see or hear, this being the six month anniversary today of the last day she was seen alive. And yes, we're hearing about a lawsuit from the man who was questioned for several hours. We're hearing about the fact that the hair that everyone had so much hope would lead directly to the subs. Yeah, it turned up nothing. And now there's one last bit of forensic evidence that possibly could shed some light, but it certainly didn't sound like anyone was that hopeful that that would yield any results. But we did get this video message from Savannah this week, and Babe, what did you think about it when you heard it?
00:11:22
Speaker 2: Oh, that she paid and that the family had paid and we are waiting for word. That seemed like a direct like she could have texted that message to the kidnapper. She would have like that seemed like she was talking directly. So road was the language she used. We've done our part, and that's what she said. That was the next sentence. She didn't say the next thing, but it was now, we're waiting on you to do yours.
00:11:47
Speaker 3: That was as soon as we heard her say we've done our part, you and I both looked at each other and said whoa. And look, it had to have meant something. She was speaking directly to her mother's kidnapper. That's exactly how she worded it. And yes, the one point two million dollars for information leading to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie, they're not even asking in that one point two million reward money for an arrest or a conviction. They just want to know where their mom is. That's all still being held. That doesn't mean that Savannah or her family members might not have personally had some sort of transaction with someone, and that's what this seems to suggest. It was interesting her first line, and you reacted to it. She said, I'm coming on today with a very specific message. But then what she went on to say was, as you pointed out, incredibly vague, but maybe only could only be truly understood by the person it was intended for.
00:12:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know what the plea was because I thought it was going to be a public plea, and it was a private plea made publicly. Rather, this wasn't for all of us necessarily. She did have something in there, right, and told people to state vision or just to keep an eye out, just say hey, we'll take any information. But yeah, it seemed like she is waiting on something she hasn't gotten yet. Yes, that she was expecting from whoever this person is she's communicating.
00:13:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, Yeah, we have done our part and we will never stop looking for her. We will always ache for her and feel that feel that hole in our hearts. This is what I thought was interesting. The world can be a cruel and unforgiving place. And I know that you have tried to do things the right way. So I'm asking you, begging you to do the right thing. Now, make the right choice, help us find her, tell us where to look for her. So that does suggest there was some sort of communication. She's acknowledging that this person tried to do things the right way. What could that possibly mean?
00:13:52
Speaker 2: I can't even begin It's just all over the place. She might be talking to someone who sent information as not actually a kidnapper. Is she actually talking to the kidnapper?
00:14:00
Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 2: Who is she directing this towards? When she says tell us where to look? That suggested maybe it wasn't the kidnapper and a tipster, or it could be the actual kidnapper. She's saying, we don't want anything to do with you, We're not coming after you.
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Speaker 1: Where is she? You could take it.
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Speaker 4: Either way, man, tell us where to look for her.
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Speaker 3: And yes, she just keeps talking about this person making the right choice. So to that point, yes, it does perhaps suggest she's not talking to the kidnapper. She's talking to the person who knows the kidnapper, who knows of the kidnapping, who knows, because that was the whole string of emails that was sent to TMZ about this person who claimed to know who had pictures that never bore fruit. I mean, it is sad and sick to know that so many people are trying to just insert themselves into this story and somehow get a payday out of it. And I think that's what also just feels so icky about this lawsuit that's being filed, because it's about getting paid, about having some sort of financial gain while you've got a family publicly grieving for answers.
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Speaker 1: It's such a difficult one.
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Speaker 2: I just don't want We don't know the guys, so I don't want to indict him as being a bad person. I don't know who's been in his ear, what lawyer told him, Hey, I bet you can da da da da. But they made a request, they put them on notice. They say, oh yeah, we can settle this thing. Just still it's a two and a half million, do's a go away. Obviously the city of the county is not going to do that. So what they're going to try to litigate was this just a threat robes? Is this just a negotiation? That feels even worse if you just throw that number out and the lawyer, Ah.
00:15:32
Speaker 1: They're gonna settle.
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Speaker 2: Let's just do this, maybe get a couple hundred thousand, and that sounds good. I don't know what you do, man, cause I don't want to take away I don't know his experience. Robes, who everybody arrested could could actually say I want to assue you for two and a half million dollars.
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Speaker 4: That's my question.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's is there an obvious or an expected recourse for someone if they're arrested without being charged, if they're arrested and then cleared. Isn't that part of a process in investigating something?
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Speaker 4: And don't we have to just look.
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Speaker 3: I understand it might have been an uncomfortable situation and a difficult situation, but to expect millions of dollars in return for seven hours of being detained doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: Are they going to make some constitutional rights were violated in some way? And I don't know, Rose, but that's a that's a stretch. It feels awful.
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Speaker 3: It can't be Also, I was just also once again thinking of Savannah and her family, just hearing this and seeing this side of things. It's just it's not the headlines they're hoping for, and certainly the ugliness that has followed now because of this lawsuit just can't sit well with them.
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Speaker 1: And then the brother wants two hundred and fifty for being in handcuffs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with an armed guard in his own home. He wants five hundred half million for the handcuffs, Yeah, half a million. Will continue to follow all the developments, hopefully there will be one that actually will provide some answers for the Guthrie family. We can only hope so, but we always appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 4: Everyone. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.