More Bad News For Taylor Frankie Paul, And a RHOSLC Reveals The Breaking Point That Made Her Want A Divorce

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I do part two, it's your celebrity mentor, Cheryl Burke, and today I'm joined by Bachelor Nation alum and my friend, Joan Vasovs. Today, we're going to be breaking down some of the latest celebrity divorce and chapter two news that is out there.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Cheryl. It's been a long time. I know. It's been like months and months. It really has. You look beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So today, we're going to be breaking down, as we do, some of the latest celebrity divorce and chapter two news that is out there currently.

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Speaker 2: Hot topics. Shall we get started?

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Speaker 3: A lot to talk about. Let's get started.

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Speaker 4: Oh my God. So much to talk about. A lot of people breaking up, which is really sad. You know, I think there's statistics saying that like summer, like summertime is when like a lot of couples actually break up more than winter.

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Speaker 3: So I wonder why maybe in the winter you're like, well, I'm not going to be able to find anybody. So I won't do it then.

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Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'll hunker down for a couple more months until everybody's out and about.

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Speaker 2: It was a hibernation winter time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, but there's never like a shortage of them though. No matter when it's sad.

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Speaker 4: It is sad. Amanda Seyfried and Thomas, her now ex, split after nine years of marriage. Yeah. And they've decided to go their separate ways, but I guess they're still good.

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Speaker 3: They're good. People's Statement says that they've got each other forever, and it's good. Seyfried, 40, and Sadowski, 50, first met in 2015 while starring together in an off-Broadway play, The Way We Get By. And then they were also in another production, The Last Word, where they played love interest, which I feel like is like a story often heard that people meet while they're acting together and they are love interest and it just kind of snowballs into real life, which it looks like it happened for them. They also have two kids. They got engaged later that year and quietly eloped. And I love their elope story. I just read this and I had no idea. It says, we eloped. We just took off into the country with an officiant and just the two of us. And we did our thing, Sadowski said at the time. It was beautiful. It was everything that it should be. It was just the two of us talking to each other. And then they walk into baby just like a week later, their first child, their daughter, Nina. And then now they also have a son named Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Time just flies.

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Speaker 4: I remember being at, who's Christmas party? It was, I forgot his name, but he's a famous person. course i don't know anyone's name um but he uh he was having family guy what's his name the who's the guy that does the voice for family guy.

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Speaker 3: I know i know what you're talking about seth mcfarland's christmas party this was like i guess close to a decade ago because that's the last time i saw.

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Speaker 2: Amanda oh wow there at that party and i.

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Speaker 4: Just can't believe it's been nine it's been a time flies i cannot believe it but it's yeah it seems to be a very intimate or it was an.

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Speaker 3: Intimate It sounds like they eased into it. It said that they've been separated for a while and then just ultimately decided this was the right thing for their family. I wonder, like, do you think that, I'm wondering about that, like for your kids. So, you know, they have these two young kids and, you know, do you think that separating for a period of time is a good idea when you're choosing divorce and you think it like, it makes a difference when you have kids?

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Speaker 2: Well, I come from a divorced family.

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Speaker 4: I think that, look, my mom, no matter what, was said about each other. She really tried to still have a relationship. She wanted me to still have a relationship with my father, even if that meant going to Thailand to visit him every year.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so he lived really far away.

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Speaker 2: And he ran strip clubs.

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Speaker 4: And I was probably not in the right age group to be around a bunch of underage strippers, right? Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You've had the most interesting life. You've told me a lot of stories. You and I ended up in a sprinter van on the way home from someplace for like two hours. I was like, that was the most amazing.

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Speaker 4: Ride I've ever been in.

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Speaker 3: Every time I talk to you, something else comes out. You hung out in strip clubs in Thailand with your, with your dad.

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Speaker 4: I actually taught them how to dance when I was 18. I went to go visit them. I went to go visit him when.

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Speaker 2: I was of age, I guess. But over there, it doesn't matter. Anywho, my point is that divorce is hard for the kids.

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Speaker 4: I think when there is maybe no communication with both parents. I mean, look, again, the environment wasn't right. But I think that I am grateful that my mom made sure that I had a relationship with my dad regardless. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel like when they're doing divorce and it's just two people and they don't have kids, that's one thing. I love that they kind of eased into this. And kind of like your mom and dad did, they eased into it. They made sure that they did it right and they made sure that the kids were cared for. So I feel like they did this right, that they're loving parents and that they are making sure that they are good for the sake of their kids. And they're doing exactly what's right.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they signed a prenup?

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Speaker 3: I got to guess they did, right?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're good. I mean, I guess even with a prenup, sometimes it's not good. But like, I don't know. I mean, I would assume, right? Because I don't know how good they would be.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how successful. I mean, Amanda clearly is successful.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he is. Like, I don't know. I don't really know who he is.

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Speaker 2: So behind closed doors, like we don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I got a guess that she would have asked for one, but I don't know. You never know.

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Speaker 4: You never know.

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Speaker 3: It's also sounds like she was pregnant when they got married. So maybe like that ship had kind of sailed.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 5: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: Shall we move on to the other?

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Speaker 3: Let's move on.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, this is so sad. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I'm assuming this is what the abbreviation is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 4: Newport. Reveals her final straw in her marriage to Todd Bradley. Now, have you watched Salt Lake City version?

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Speaker 3: I have not watched all the episodes, but I have watched some of the episodes. I actually have not watched her season. And she's been on for a while. So apparently I'm really behind. I binge watched like three seasons at one point.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the Salt Lake City group?

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Speaker 3: I'm so surprised about how promiscuous they are. So, like, I live here in D.C., right outside of D.C., and we have a really big Mormon population. Really, really big. I know a lot of Mormons. And what's that?

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Speaker 2: I said, interesting. I lived in Salt Lake. So, I lived in Utah for, like, a solid two years or so.

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Speaker 3: But you totally get it. Like, I always thought that they were very conservative. They wear these undergarments. They don't drink. They don't, you know, they are so non-primitive. I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, I am like, I am so surprised when I watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and also when I watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, which I know is like, they're a different group all together, but I'm very surprised by the people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I know.

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Speaker 2: But this is what happens when you take sex away from people. Like, they find other ways.

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Speaker 3: They figure out a way to do it.

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Speaker 4: Of course. I'm telling you, this is why they ballroom dance. That's why most of the pros on Dancing with the Stars are all from Utah.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 3: Nuh-uh. So they can touch each other.

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Speaker 2: They can dry up each other. It's legal.

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Speaker 3: It's the thing. It's like what they do. They jump on the beds. They do this weird thing that the first time I heard it, I was like, this is like, I don't think this whole no sex thing is working.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think it actually makes it just worse in the long run.

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Speaker 3: It's like kids that aren't allowed to have candy. They used to come to my house where we always had candy and cookies and they were like raid our pantry because the kids, the parents were taking it away from them. It just makes them want it more.

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Speaker 4: Totally. And I was the kid that my parents were taking that away from me. So I was at my friend's house reading their, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. I still do it to this day. You tell me I can't do something, don't do that.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what you want to do. Well, she said that things were over between them when Todd didn't plan anything to mark their 40th birthday in September. So which is crazy. No card, no gift, no party. She said, it was my first birthday since my dad passed. So obviously kind of a hard time for her. She was going through it. And that was really like the death of it. She said she ultimately realized I had been by myself in that marriage for a long time and I had to get myself out, she said. So she finally did. How would you feel if somebody that you were in a relationship with forgot your birthday? Or let's say they forgot like Valentine's Day. That, by the way, has happened to me.

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Speaker 2: They didn't forget.

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Speaker 4: Mm-mm. You know, I mean, that's just a red flag. I mean, mind you, it must have been not just that incident, right? Like she said, there was probably red flags prior to that.

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Speaker 2: She felt alone already. That was definitely intentional.

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Speaker 4: And that was probably his way of wanting to break it up, maybe without having the balls to just say it out loud and do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the fact that she said that she felt like they were, that she was alone for a long time. That's sad. Yeah, but obviously things were bad anyway.

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Speaker 4: But wait, so Tom is also, I guess, significantly older. Like old enough to be her father?

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Speaker 3: Probably, yeah. I looked up a picture of them before we started this so I could see what he looked like. Yeah, he is way older. And he totally outkicked his coverage. She's way prettier.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what happened? So did she cheat or no one cheated?

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Speaker 3: He did cheat on her in the past. So, you know, the thing is, I really feel like when you.

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Speaker 3: Ladies out there, all you ladies that they're asking to go on a real housewife season, you're going to end up divorced. They all do. It's just a storyline. It always ends up being a storyline. I mean, it's bad.

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: They all do.

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Speaker 3: Well, so many of them. I think there's very few, like even ones that I thought were going to stay together, like Kyle and, um, her husband, I can't remember. Um, they even split up and I'm like heartbroken.

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Speaker 4: My maid of honor is now, she's a new cast member of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 2: My, my maid of honor, who was my maid of, Lydia.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love Real Housewives of, um, Beverly Hills. That's such a good one. I think the, only one that still is around is Heather Dubrow. Is that right? Is she the only one still married?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: She's one of the few housewives that has made it. When Ashley Iaconetti was going on to Rhode Island, I was like, don't do it. I love them. They are like my favorite couple. They're a bachelor couple and I love them. And I'm so worried about them.

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Speaker 2: Are they still together?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are. And they're young. They have young kids and I feel like they have a great marriage, but I just know it just all, they always end up divorced. Makes me worried for her.

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Speaker 4: What if it was different?

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Speaker 2: Like what could they do differently? Maybe go to therapy or.

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Speaker 3: I think the show tries to make really little things that are happening in the marriage more They try to make them storylines and it blows them out of proportion and it makes and it creates it creates problems. I remember they tried to do it with Ashley and Jared. He was talking about the business. He runs a coffee shop and how it wasn't really super profitable and he was trying to decide if he should stay with it and. It sounded like she was trying to encourage him maybe not to. And he was saying he felt really bad about himself. And they made that a huge storyline. I felt really bad for them because I felt like it was just them talking, like shooting the shit, sitting at the coffee bar, just making small talk, talking about life a little bit. And they tried to make that a storyline. It made me nervous. I thought, oh, Jared's going to go down the rabbit hole and this is going to be bad. They didn't. It's okay. But I don't trust them. I don't trust those producers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they did say yes to this, so.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. When you're reality TV, it happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it has helped his business actually being on TV. So I feel like things have gotten better for them financially. And I feel like he feels like he is more of a contributor. That was like the whole storyline. He didn't feel like he was contributing enough to the marriage because now she has this other gig. She's a real housewife. She's become more famous. And he's just running this little coffee shop, which is not a little coffee shop. It's big. It's very popular. But I think it's doing much better now that she's been on the They've been on.

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Speaker 4: TV. All right.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of more reality, we've got Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. Are you following her?

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Speaker 3: On Instagram? Oh God, I have, you know, I met her. Um, they'd had all the former bachelorettes come on her season of bachelorette and meet her. And I really liked her. I thought the decision was really weird when they originally made it. I'm like, what are we doing? She's not our typical bachelorette. They were really shaking things up. And I thought, okay, I'm just going to go with it. I'm going to assume that they know what they're doing. Then I met her and I was like, okay, like she seems to be really open to finding somebody And then I watched the season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and her leading up to going to be on The Bachelorette, like her night before. Did you hear all about how she was sleeping with her ex-boyfriend, their baby daddy, that she was supposedly trying to get away from by going on becoming The Bachelorette? She was sleeping with him, and she got up in the morning and didn't make her flight to go to L.A. to be the star of the show.

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. What? Yeah. Yeah. How? How?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Her family was knocking on the door. She wouldn't come answer the door. Her friends finally, her friends were at the airport with a, like, good luck, Taylor signs. All the secret lives of women and wives were there to greet her. She didn't show up. No show. And then he was there. They drove by his house and there his truck was sitting out in front.

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. She wasn't over him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: She was still with him. She had not broken it off. She was getting ready to go be the star of the show. They had spent so much money on her. They'd already done promos for her. They'd done so much work. And they eventually filmed the whole season. We didn't know this, so we don't know this about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. That has not aired yet, but the network knew about it, clearly, because the person that's in charge of that show is also in charge of Bachelor. So they know that that happened. She came and filmed the whole show. Everything was fine. She actually ended up engaged. Then she went back home and everything fell apart. Well, it had never really gotten a good start because she was still with Dakota. She was never, she hadn't actually separated from him. Like supposedly she was doing to come on the show and be the bachelorette.

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Speaker 4: From what I've seen, their relationship is very toxic.

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Speaker 3: It's very bad and things are worse because she just allegedly flunked multiple drug tests. And she's also dealt with some mental health issues, which she's been getting help with. But it sounds like. Something's happened because she has kids with both this guy named Tate, her first husband, and Dakota, and her visitation with those kids has been reduced. So it says that she allegedly failed multiple drug tests in the last 60 days, and as a result, we're told the court ordered that she be limited to eight hours of parenting time each week, four with her two kids with Tate and four with her son with Dakota.

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Speaker 2: So sad for those kids.

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Speaker 4: My heart.

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Speaker 2: Who's taking care of them?

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Speaker 3: So from what I've seen, and I don't know this for sure, but Tate, her first husband, seems like a good dad, and he's also remarried, and it sounds like they have a pretty stable home there. Dakota, on the other hand, is a shitshow, and their relationship has been very volatile. It's been in the news a lot. I think there's gag orders on both of them now because they kept trashing each other. It's very, very, very unhealthy. That child is young. I think he's only about two now. His name is Ever. And he's super young, so I don't think he knows what's going on.

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Speaker 2: She threw chairs.

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Speaker 4: Didn't she throw chairs or something?

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, she was super.

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Speaker 4: She was. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So she got arrested for that and she pled guilty and she was on probation. She just got let off probation. That was three years ago. So, yeah, that's true. So while right after she filmed Bachelorette, she was she went through the whole court proceedings and she got off of probation. So she was all good. And it just sounds like it's kind of taken a negative turn just really, really recently, allegedly. But I think there's probably court documents we can see. All of this has been pretty public. Even though kids are involved, you've been able to read the court documents. So I think we could probably confirm this.

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Speaker 4: I hope the kids are in therapy or getting some sort of help. It's crucial, especially in such a young age like that. That's the one thing my mom did was really good. She put me into therapy. She divorced my dad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. That was so smart. And I don't know, I'm assuming that these kids are in therapy. Like I said, I think that they have a pretty stable life with her first husband, Tate. I do worry about Ever, who's with Dakota, but I think her mom is very involved with Dakota, with Ever, the two-year-old. Her mom and sister take care of her, take care of that baby a lot.

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Speaker 4: Like my first memory as a kid, I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 2: I was only two years old.

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Speaker 4: So like, I just think that, I mean, it was my, I've said this a million times, I'll say it again, but my father was with another woman, was with his secretary.

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Speaker 2: And like, I remember like it was yesterday and I was only two.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: You remember that you have like a way back memory. I don't have memory like that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's trauma, right?

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Speaker 4: That was very traumatic for me because I didn't know that my mom and dad split. Like I didn't know where, what I was doing. I just saw my dad and this woman naked, like straight up naked.

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Speaker 3: No, you caught them.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah. Oh, I wasn't trying to, I just wanted him to change the channel.

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Speaker 2: I was watching Sesame Street.

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Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.

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Speaker 2: PBS or something.

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Speaker 3: And you walked in on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, Jesus. But what I'm saying, the whole point of me saying this is that, like, you do hope that the kids are like where they are today.

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Speaker 2: They're not with their parents. Right.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's still it's just like they're with fathers. But obviously they know there's some sort of something happening. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to imagine as they get older, they're going to become very aware of this terrible relationship and about how their mother is. And she's very prolific on Instagram. She's posting stuff all the time. And the fact that they're not living with her. I mean, they haven't lived with her in a really long time, like either one of the kids. So Dakota's in custody, mostly custody of Ever, and only got to stay, I think, overnight with her very recently. And now that's been cut off, it looks like.

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Speaker 4: Was she a good mom?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think she's had some issues. It's like on TV when you watch her taken care of ever, she looks fine. She looks like a normal mom. And like when she does exchange with him, you know, when they exchange the baby, but the baby is little, like she's feeding them, you know, he's in a high chair. He's a little guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, better not to maybe be around if she's under the influence, especially, you know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You don't see her kids very much on the show. In fact, the first two, I don't think you ever see. I think that they had an agreement when she joined Secret Lives that she had an agreement with her husband that they would not show the kids on TV.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to air her season of Bachelorette?

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Speaker 4: Or they did?

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Speaker 3: They haven't aired it yet. I don't think they will. I think right now it would be really detrimental to her mental health. I think she is not stable.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if the network's necessarily thinking about her. Sorry, but I just wonder if the network would do it. Maybe not, because it's also.

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Speaker 2: ABC, right?

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Speaker 3: It's all ABC. I feel like they would be very irresponsible to do that. I just feel like that people would.

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Speaker 4: The only reason why I bring it up is because I heard that they.

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Speaker 2: I just heard... I don't know where I heard it, but I heard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they need to care about it, because I think that she has been really, really... pretty vocal about her mental health i think they'd be they'd be bad yeah and they and they haven't yet so i do think they are thinking about her a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah i've seen a little bit of her social media i think she loves the fame that's what i mean and i and and not you know not saying like look i don't know what's best for her i don't know her right but i just you know whatever i'm just one like, if that is something that she would even be opposed to doing for it to air.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. From what I understand, it's a really good season and she comes off really good. She comes off as a very strong woman. I told you I met her. She seemed really nice. She seemed really open to the whole thing. I think, though, that everybody would look at it through a different lens because we've now seen Secret Life of the Mormon Wives and her several weeks of leaning into her leaving to go film Bachelorette. She was at Dakota the whole time. So it was never over. So people are going to watch this show, and they also know how it ends. They know that she ends up engaged. They know that that gets broken off immediately within a month or two when she gets home, and she's back with Dakota. So we all know how it ends. We all know how it kind of had a bad beginning. We all know how it ends. The whole middle part is just kind of going to be a joke because even though we know that she's there and she's also, you know, she also, you know, she pretends to fall in love or maybe she really does fall in love. I don't know. But it all ends up in a different, you know, she's not.

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Speaker 4: I can see her actually thinking that she's in love. I don't know if she's actually in love. You know, like the excitement of just, in general, right? The highs and lows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, I don't know if she's ever admitted that she's an addict. You know, I, there's, I, from just, I'm not, I don't want to like pour judgment on her, but like, I would, I'm an addict as well. So like, I, I can see there's like some similarities, maybe not in, I mean, like in different things, obviously, but like, I understand the highs, you know? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You should follow her on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: I do. I do. I do.

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Speaker 2: But there's only so much I can do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very erratic. And so she did end up with a guy that.

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Speaker 4: She got into.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate her vulnerability, though.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 4: I do, too.

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Speaker 3: And I want only the best for her, especially since she has kids. I feel like this is really, this is hard on them. I think she needs to just disconnect from everything.

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Speaker 2: But she's not going to, though. But she's not going to do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, she finds so much validation in followers and her followers are not your friends.

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Speaker 4: And the more people do this to her, the more people do it, the more she's going to do it. Like I think people, I think you're investing so much.

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Speaker 2: This is what she wants, right?

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Speaker 4: Like, but subconsciously, I'm not saying she's doing this maliciously. She's doing it because like, you know, she made me find love. She must, it must fill something up temporarily inside of her.

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Speaker 2: And I understand, man. I get it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of pain. I do feel like she has, a lot more going on inside of her head than we, than we get.

00:22:23
Speaker 4: And maybe she can't even be this vulnerable with like person to person, you.

00:22:26
Speaker 2: Know, maybe this is her outlet.

00:22:28
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:22:28
Speaker 3: Could be.

00:22:28
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:22:29
Speaker 3: I mean, she seems to make everything very public. She posts on Instagram all the time. I don't think maybe not as much now, but she really wants to pour her heart out. I read it all. My, my heart goes out to her. I, I, she's suffering. She clearly is suffering.

00:22:44
Speaker 4: I just hope that she's getting the help she needs. Yeah.

00:22:46
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, She has a lot of people around her. I know she has a mom who really, really cares about her. A mom and a father and a sister who she's very close to. So hopefully they're helping her out.

00:22:55
Speaker 4: Where does she live? Utah?

00:22:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, Salt Lake City.

00:22:58
Speaker 4: I send her a lot, but I send anyone who's feeling down because it's hard out there.

00:23:03
Speaker 3: It is hard out there, yeah. And doing it in the limelight is really hard.

00:23:07
Speaker 4: Yeah. Mormon Wives star Jessie Draper says she's scared to ever marry again after two divorces.

00:23:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. So she's 34 years old. She appeared on Tuesday, September 15th episode of Just Trish podcast with Trish Paytas and was asked if she would ever get married again. Draper, who split from her estranged husband, Jordan, early this year admitted that she was not looking to rush into another marriage. But we do know, if you've been watching the show at all, that she has been with the star, one of the stars from Vanderpump Villas, Marciano, which was a whole big storyline on that show. And she said, we can be married, but I'm scared to make it official, which I don't understand what that means. We can be married. but I'm scared to make it official. I don't know what that means.

00:24:04
Speaker 2: Like they can be partners.

00:24:06
Speaker 1: Okay.

00:24:07
Speaker 4: Playhouse.

00:24:07
Speaker 3: They're going to play house.

00:24:08
Speaker 4: Okay.

00:24:09
Speaker 3: And, but they're not going to make it official. They're not going to actually go to the church.

00:24:13
Speaker 2: That's what she wants, but that's not what he wants.

00:24:16
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah.

00:24:17
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like he's secondary to her. She's the big star here. She's made, she's had a really, really big storyline on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. She started owning hair salons and it's become a huge empire. I think she makes a lot of money. I think he is kind of the backseat to her in this relationship.

00:24:37
Speaker 4: Thank God you're doing this with me because I have not watched one show you're mentioning.

00:24:42
Speaker 3: It's I literally have too much time. I binge watch shows. I will say like, I'm going to watch secret lives of Mormon wise this weekend.

00:24:50
Speaker 4: And I will watch it when Harry met Sally or when let's marry Harry.

00:24:54
Speaker 2: I can, I can talk about that.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: I haven't watched that one. So we'd be great.

00:24:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:24:58
Speaker 3: We'd be perfect.

00:24:59
Speaker 2: I watched most of it.

00:25:00
Speaker 4: I didn't see the reunion, but from what I've heard, nobody ended up really marrying Harry.

00:25:05
Speaker 3: If you know what I mean, Mary, Harry's not really married.

00:25:08
Speaker 2: Harry is not married.

00:25:09
Speaker 3: No one wants Harry.

00:25:10
Speaker 2: And Harry definitely wasn't ready to marry.

00:25:13
Speaker 3: Season two, Harry might marry somebody else.

00:25:16
Speaker 4: I guess.

00:25:17
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:25:18
Speaker 4: Why do they have to always get to the marriage, though, right away? There's got to be a healthier way here, huh? I know.

00:25:24
Speaker 3: I've engaged to the same guy for two years. I'm not rushing into marriage.

00:25:28
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean.

00:25:28
Speaker 4: But every show, The Bachelor, your show, you know, Love is Blind. Like, can we just not get married?

00:25:34
Speaker 2: Like, what if we don't get married?

00:25:35
Speaker 3: What if we're just like- 90 Day Fiance?

00:25:37
Speaker 4: Hello?

00:25:38
Speaker 3: But maybe like.

00:25:38
Speaker 4: The statistics would be higher, right? Of people actually ending up working out. Like, I think the pressure is so high.

00:25:47
Speaker 3: It takes a long time to fall in love. I don't think you can fall in love that quickly. You can take a leap of faith, like kind of I did or like these people do. But then after you take the leap, then you need to kind of step back and actually live with these people.

00:25:57
Speaker 4: But you're being like, that's like, you're an adult. You're thinking a lot of people don't know that, by the way.

00:26:03
Speaker 3: I hope they're listening.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: No, and I was in, I was, I like to say I'm recovering, but like.

00:26:11
Speaker 3: You're a recovering love addict.

00:26:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:26:14
Speaker 4: And it's a real thing.

00:26:16
Speaker 3: I think that people like get infatuated and they mistake it for love or just want to be in love.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: It's the high.

00:26:21
Speaker 3: It feels good to be in love.

00:26:22
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:26:22
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. All right.

00:26:24
Speaker 3: Well, we have more divorces to talk about, I'm afraid. Stay singles.

00:26:29
Speaker 2: The moral of the story.

00:26:30
Speaker 4: There we go.

00:26:30
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

00:26:33
Speaker 4: So Candy Burris slams ex-Todd Tucker after he reveals they had threesomes.

00:26:39
Speaker 2: First of all, why is he revealing this?

00:26:42
Speaker 3: Why are we talking about your sex life?

00:26:46
Speaker 2: Why is he doing that?

00:26:47
Speaker 3: Oh, he said we did. I would say for most of our marriage, we did. That is insane. I don't understand. Well, they dropped it in the trailer for his upcoming tell divorce do us part where he shared that he and Burris had multiple threesomes during the course of their 11 year marriage. She's pissed. She says a man who has already hurt me to my core is furthering the damage by choosing to sensationalize our sex life to stretch his five minutes of fame. What consensually happens between a husband and wife in the privacy of their marriage is exactly that, private. His current behavior has only confirmed that I did the right thing by getting a divorce. I do, I did, and I'm done.

00:27:27
Speaker 4: So clearly they did not.

00:27:29
Speaker 2: Do they have a prenup? They must have not.

00:27:31
Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I feel like it wouldn't have mattered. Like if she was not losing money or if they were, if I don't think it mattered, she was done with him. This was like, he, this was just too much. Like this is, can you imagine that being revealed about your sex life? That would be like so embarrassing. He was more.

00:27:50
Speaker 2: Than happy to take part in it. Let's not forget about that.

00:27:53
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:27:54
Speaker 2: He threw himself under the bus.

00:27:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: This is candy is kinky. She had a line of sex toys. So she, so she, I mean, she has like a kind of a known sexual past, but I don't think that.

00:28:07
Speaker 2: But no one needs to know the details.

00:28:09
Speaker 3: Well, they even had a sex room and they talked about it on the show. So she was kind of, leaking things out so maybe it's not so bad that he said that it sounds like she was happy to talk about some things and then suddenly she wasn't happy to talk about this particular thing.

00:28:21
Speaker 4: Well i just don't think that it's not i still don't think it's okay until you get her permission to talk.

00:28:26
Speaker 3: About it yeah i agree with you yeah yeah i mean it is something that they it was.

00:28:30
Speaker 2: One text away from asking her right.

00:28:32
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah maybe it just slipped out i don't know the fact that she was open maybe.

00:28:38
Speaker 4: It was a guarantee that if he did the show that he had to say something Yeah.

00:28:42
Speaker 3: You have that whole theory that they're making them say stuff and you could be like, they like a story.

00:28:47
Speaker 4: No one can make you, but I think a lot of people really want to be famous.

00:28:50
Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and by getting a storyline on a show makes you famous.

00:28:55
Speaker 2: We all need to pay our bills, but there's a way of doing it with morals.

00:28:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:28:59
Speaker 3: With some class. I mean, I do feel like a lot of them, if you get a storyline for one season, it makes you a popular person on the show. It gets you more.

00:29:08
Speaker 4: Yes, but then you lose your personal relationships. And really, at the end of the day, what is going to make you happy?

00:29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, was it really even worth it?

00:29:14
Speaker 4: I know.

00:29:15
Speaker 3: Well, he's not going to be off the show, I assume. And it's just going to be her because generally it's Hal's wife, not Hal's husband.

00:29:21
Speaker 4: Not yet. Yeah. Oh, well.

00:29:24
Speaker 2: That sucks. Okay.

00:29:26
Speaker 4: Jillian Anderson reveals she identifies as pansexual, reflects on relationships with women.

00:29:33
Speaker 3: I've never heard of pansexual. Never heard that term.

00:29:35
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll inform you both. Pansexual is when gender... is not, it does not matter gender identity. So that means trans people, people who identify as male, people who identify as female, like pansexual means that you're open to it all.

00:29:56
Speaker 2: So you are fluid.

00:29:58
Speaker 3: No, it's not fluid.

00:29:59
Speaker 2: It's gender does not matter.

00:30:02
Speaker 5: You're like in love with the person, their gender and how they identify does not matter to you.

00:30:08
Speaker 3: So you could be in love with a man who identifies as a woman, right? And then a woman could be.

00:30:15
Speaker 5: But then that person could end up changing in the relationship and saying, I now identify as a man.

00:30:21
Speaker 3: And you would be like, that's great.

00:30:22
Speaker 2: I don't care.

00:30:23
Speaker 3: I like you as a person. I love you as a person, not as what you call yourself.

00:30:27
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess you're right.

00:30:28
Speaker 4: Okay.

00:30:28
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

00:30:30
Speaker 3: So she says in my younger years, I was in a relationship. I was in relationships with women. She told the Australian and then reflecting on her current phase of life. She said she was 100% in a place where I feel like we can take on the world. I think that she's just speaking for all of us that we are all like, it's, it's acceptable now. She says at this particular moment, there's actually so much that's good about it. So much agency, empowerment and comfortability with the self she shared. It's all sounds like a lot of words that I don't really understand. She's comfortable though in it. And I think she feels like it's accepted. It's so much more accepted now. And I think she's probably right. I don't think anybody really cares about, who anybody's with anymore. I mean, I agree. It's the person.

00:31:16
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, like, look, I think that as long as they don't care, right. As long as they don't care what other people are saying, or as long as they just, you know, blinders.

00:31:25
Speaker 3: Be happy and find the person that makes you happy. But it sounds like she got there in kind of a weird way because she was the star of this show. I don't know if you, um, if you watched it, I did not. I've heard of it. She talks about, she came out with a book and, um, This was after she was in a show on Netflix called Sex Education, where she was a therapist. And she came out with a book talking about her sexuality that's called Want, a collection of anonymous essays on women's sexual fantasies and stories. And that was in 2024. And her follow-up, More, released, I believe, today on September, oh, two days ago on September 15th. So she kind of was in this role on this Netflix all about sex thing. And she was a therapist. And then she said that kind of brought her to writing these two books. So she sounds like she's very in touch with sexuality.

00:32:21
Speaker 2: And she's a great businesswoman.

00:32:22
Speaker 3: So her current relationship with the Crown creator, Peter Morgan, from whom she briefly split in 2020, but later reconciled. Yeah, the Crown. Yeah. Anderson said that he is the person I consider my life partner. So again, she doesn't care if he's male or female. He's a life partner. So not husband and wife kind of thing.

00:32:44
Speaker 4: Interesting.

00:32:45
Speaker 3: She says he happens to be male, but I think I would feel the same way if he were a woman. He's the crown creator. He's obviously successful. He's kind of in the business. I think they have things in common and he's her life partner. So I think she's found her person. It happens to be a man, but she doesn't really care. She actually has, she has kids. She has a daughter, Piper, and she has two sons that she shares with Mark Griffith, Oscar and Felix. So she has kids. So She's kind of done the whole family mom thing. And now she's just, like you said, fluid, but I guess it's not fluid. She's pansexual. She's just doesn't care what their gender is. She just wants to be in love.

00:33:23
Speaker 4: Is this like just a question someone asks or is this something that she's always talked about? I don't know.

00:33:28
Speaker 3: Maybe it came as a result of the two books that she just wrote. I don't know.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: Probably.

00:33:32
Speaker 3: She talks more about it because she's probably being interviewed about these books, I'm guessing.

00:33:36
Speaker 4: I know.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: The books alone sound like it's called Want, a collection of anonymous essays on women's sexual fantasies and stories. Like, this is a lot.

00:33:45
Speaker 4: I wonder if it was her patients' anonymous stories, like when she was a therapist.

00:33:49
Speaker 3: Well, she was a therapist on a show, so I'm sure they were crazy.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: She must be a real therapist, right? Or is this a fake?

00:33:55
Speaker 3: No, no, she's an actress. It's a Netflix show. Yeah, she's an actress. So, yeah. So I think that those, yeah, I don't know.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: Was she on The Crown? Just kidding. I'm really ADHD right now.

00:34:07
Speaker 4: Sorry.

00:34:07
Speaker 3: You're all over the place.

00:34:10
Speaker 2: Was she the queen?

00:34:11
Speaker 3: I'm kidding. She wouldn't be. It has a gender.

00:34:15
Speaker 4: Right.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: Good one, Joan. I miss you.

00:34:19
Speaker 4: I'm trying.

00:34:20
Speaker 3: I miss you too.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:34:22
Speaker 4: Wow. This was very overwhelming in so many ways, but also very.

00:34:27
Speaker 3: This was a lot, wasn't it? We had threesomes. We have pansexual. I mean, this was a lot.

00:34:33
Speaker 2: There's a lot.

00:34:34
Speaker 4: You know, life just doesn't revolve around us, you know?

00:34:36
Speaker 3: A lot happened and we had drugs. We had threesomes. We had pansexual. We had a lot going on today.

00:34:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:34:45
Speaker 3: Lots of mormon wives yeah yeah a lot of utah happening.

00:34:49
Speaker 2: Lots of utah don't get me started i.

00:34:52
Speaker 4: Went to utah valley state college huh for a week.

00:34:55
Speaker 3: For a week yeah i don't see you in utah i just.

00:35:00
Speaker 4: Don't check been there done that okay so a lot obviously is happening in the world of celebrities and their own chapter two stories And we hope that hearing this has helped you to feel less alone if you're going through it, because it has definitely helped me.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: How about you, Jo?

00:35:15
Speaker 3: Makes me feel way more normal.

00:35:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. But if you need some guidance, you know, we're here to help. Send us an email or leave us a voicemail. All the info is in the show notes. Follow us on all platforms on social media. I do part two and I Heart Radio podcast where falling in love is the main objective.