June 27, 2026
'Love Island' Love Lessons: Why K.C. Chose Poorly #Titi
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RSS Feed We were all hoping it wouldn’t come to this, K.C. leaving Aniya, in tears for another woman. And not just any woman, Titi is in the villa now, and she seems ready to leave her mark. Amy asks T.J. on behalf of all the confused women watching Love Island, why in the hell would K.C. dump beautiful, sweet, smart Aniya for a sassy woman he just met three days ago?
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: The folks. It is Saturday, June twenty seventh, and we get it. We get it.
00:00:07
Speaker 2: Casey is your villain of the season of Love Island, and last night he made one more decision that pissed everybody off, and everybody's trying to understand it. The answer is pretty simple, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
00:00:27
Speaker 1: Roopes. We did an episode previously.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: I had a bunch of questions for you about why nice guys finished last hashtag Carl.
00:00:36
Speaker 1: If you want to listen to that. You broke that down, but you.
00:00:38
Speaker 2: Were women had questions about Casey and the bad questions for I guess a few episodes.
00:00:42
Speaker 3: Yes, because look, and this is interesting. We talked about this from the beginning. You liked Casey and I did too, but I was a little skeptical, so was Sabine, and we pretty quickly were like, yeah, I think he's a player.
00:00:57
Speaker 4: I don't think he's sincere. I don't think what.
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Speaker 3: He's saying to Anaya is actually what he's feeling. And you were like, no, man, this is a good guy.
00:01:06
Speaker 4: He's great. You were all team Kseh.
00:01:09
Speaker 2: There were a couple of episodes where he was my favorite character on the show.
00:01:13
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so look, I didn't want it to be true, but you kind of knew it. And then the second he gets over to Casamore, he acts like he is a dog in heat.
00:01:23
Speaker 4: And then it's just it was.
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Speaker 3: Just disrespectful what he was saying about about Anaya, that he he was the reason why he like, He made her smile, he was the reason why, you know, she was good, and he had some leeway because of all the things he did for Anaya and all the things he meant to Anaya. It was just this weird, inflated sense of self. And then, yeah, we didn't want him. We didn't want him in the end. You didn't want him in the end to pick tt.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: No, I did not.
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Speaker 4: You wanted him to pick an Eye.
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Speaker 2: I did, because they've got time, they got history, and we obviously we all like Anaya, So you did want her to guy. And we I think we all suspected, right, she wasn't gonna pick Carl, no matter how nice of a guy.
00:02:05
Speaker 3: I'd tell she was still pining away for Casey the entire time. She was trying not to show it, she was trying not to say it, but we all knew she was meantime, flash over to Kse. He's like, Anaya, who so why why was he so quick?
00:02:22
Speaker 4: Look?
00:02:22
Speaker 3: I think we all felt it, we all saw it coming, but we all didn't want it to happen.
00:02:27
Speaker 4: Why then did he choose tit?
00:02:29
Speaker 1: How many weeks ago did this show start?
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Speaker 4: Three weeks ago?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
00:02:34
Speaker 2: The short answer, For the first time in three weeks, somebody showed an interest in him, That was it, sweetheart, For the first time in three weeks, he felt desired. For the first time in three weeks, he had two women excited about him, the possibility of him. That is simply it. He is a human being. And yes, men robes who often might not always get credit for being emotional or wanting those types of things. Being desired is a big deal. And this is something he complained about in the other place. So after three weeks, all this is pent up. You got two women that he thinks was attractive who are all over him.
00:03:19
Speaker 1: That was exciting.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: So is that what men want? Men want to be desired? Of course period that Trump's everything else.
00:03:28
Speaker 2: Trump's Oh it's I go too crazy here, But robes, I think we don't we talk about it with women all the time.
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Speaker 1: We talk about it with women on this show. Did I can't remember.
00:03:38
Speaker 2: Which one it was where they didn't feel It might have been Trinity where he didn't feel desired.
00:03:45
Speaker 4: Look, I totally agree. I mean, look what you're saying, it makes like a woman one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: That's what we would say. We want to feel desired. I would think men want to be respected, and yes, of course every person wants to be desired. But I'm interested that he was so willing to walk away from someone who was clearly invested in him, who was fighting for him, who I think showed that she wanted to be with him, but he wanted instead to just have his ego stroked. Was it couldn't be superficial, there was no depth to TT.
00:04:17
Speaker 2: Well she didn't have time to get to the depth of TT. But no, we're putting I think we're holding him as a man to a different standard. We feel and want that thing you're talking about, and women will say it out loud. We want to be desired and want to be touched and one of all these things men want it, But we can't say that. So instead, what do we do? We act out? We act out When Naya didn't desire me. Now look at what I got. Now look at I am desired.
00:04:48
Speaker 1: I am so.
00:04:49
Speaker 2: He now reacts in an angry way by lashing out in Annaya. He reacts by playing these two women off of each other, which is him being immature in the back and forth.
00:04:59
Speaker 4: Because now he feel the man.
00:05:01
Speaker 2: Yes, but roads that's all that is is the same thing women feel. We just don't say it out loud, and we're not allowed to react the way you all do. He reacts emotionally, but with anger, with more bravado. His feelings are hurt. Baby, that's a hurt dude. You never say that, but he's hurt.
00:05:19
Speaker 4: So we should feel sorry for Casey.
00:05:21
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Do you jump into a conclusion. Don't do that. Don't don't do that.
00:05:25
Speaker 2: I'm saying there is a grace that should be allowed for a guy who is behaving badly because he too is hurt. His heart is hurt, his feelings are hurt, his ego is hurt. He opened the door on episode one and nobody was behind it.
00:05:39
Speaker 4: He mentioned that last night too.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: He has not been desired. He ends up with a Naya who had her eye on Sincere. In the beginning, did she not yes robes? And now he goes through he has been company. Now you have to give him credit. You want to say it was anauthentic, okay, but roads that were real moments we thought were real moments where he was comforting her, reassuring her, telling her she was beautiful when she was down.
00:06:05
Speaker 3: And those were the moments that she remembered. Those were the moments where and she gave that as her reason when she stood up there and said why she chose Casey, she referenced those.
00:06:15
Speaker 4: Moments specifically, yep, because.
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Speaker 3: He made her feel special, He made her feel beautiful, He made her feel wanted and desired.
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Speaker 2: So what happens when he doesn't feel wanted, special, beautiful, or desired. He's not allowed to express it that way because he's a twenty four year old black man. He's not allowed to get up and say, yeah, I don't feel beautiful. She doesn't make me feel special and desired. You don't say that. What you do is steadily get frustrated and resentful along the way until what I'm going to another house and they're gonna put two women in front of me who are drooling over me.
00:06:54
Speaker 3: So is it less about t TI and more about how he feels about.
00:06:58
Speaker 1: Himself right now, Nigga, because no, t T love you.
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Speaker 2: Sure, she's a wonderful person, but we've only known her a few episodes. We've been riding with Anaya for a minute. Obviously we all are riding with a Naya. Oh, there's no way he knows enough about t T to think she has trumped the character of Anaya that he's gotten to know. Obviously that's not the case. But what has t T done played to his ego. She gave him exactly what she needs. She might have been studying it before she came in.
00:07:30
Speaker 3: Well, it's she sounds like she might have been. Because she had her eyes set on him. She made it very clear, you're the only one, and when he said no, you should go see who else, she got so upset.
00:07:42
Speaker 4: And he liked it.
00:07:43
Speaker 3: He liked it that she got kind of mad at him. He giggled, he laughed. He still went with.
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Speaker 4: The other one. Forgot what her name is.
00:07:50
Speaker 3: He went went and slept for Sidney, Sydney, so he kind of kept her on her toes. But she stayed and maybe it was even a test to see how she was going to react, and he liked how maybe she was gonna fight for him and she wasn't gonna go check out anyone else.
00:08:04
Speaker 4: She was his. She proved her loyalty and maybe that was enough.
00:08:08
Speaker 2: He appreciated that, but it was also Rose the opposite of what he was getting from Anaya. Now we can judge that if she was giving him enough, and maybe not, but we know.
00:08:16
Speaker 1: How he felt.
00:08:18
Speaker 2: He expressed how he felt in there at the time. So whether you think it was right or not, it was real. So Romp, it was the perfect storm for him to get over there. And now he's desired. And you were talking about how he was giddy and Rose. There were times he had some uncomfortable, awkward, even inappropriate laughter and giddiness as women were expressing frustration, Oh you want.
00:08:41
Speaker 1: To go sleep with hell, Hey, come on, bruh.
00:08:43
Speaker 2: And that stuff was that he's a giddy kid again, who's all of a sudden a good looking dude, a confident dude.
00:08:53
Speaker 1: Who now this guy's mojo back?
00:08:55
Speaker 4: Is he a player?
00:08:56
Speaker 2: And he's twenty four years old and single? Every guy that's the answers yes to every guy you name.
00:09:02
Speaker 4: Is it wrong for women to expect him not to be.
00:09:07
Speaker 2: Wrong to expect him not to be. No, you should absolutely expect him not to be based on what he tells you. But in this environment, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
00:09:17
Speaker 1: Is he not the thing? I take issue with the way he spoke.
00:09:21
Speaker 2: I'd choose me the way well, not even that, which was also terrible. I'm talking about at the CASA or speaking about an eye behind her back, And I think Corbin might have been the worst. But Casey, what was the thing? I don't even give a f what was the thing he was?
00:09:37
Speaker 3: He said he didn't give an f He didn't feel anything when he saw her with another guy.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you believe that?
00:09:43
Speaker 4: Well, no, because if you.
00:09:44
Speaker 3: Have to say that, anyone who we've seen say that absolutely feels the opposite.
00:09:48
Speaker 2: That's a hurt guy who, as a black young black man, is not allowed to emotionally express how he's hurting. He can't go all Bryce in the confessionals, right, he's a different guy. It's not his personality but robes. He doesn't know how to express himself in a mature way, and it comes out in a bad way by bad mouthing Anaya.
00:10:14
Speaker 1: He likes Anaya. He cares about Anaya. He does, but all of the I don't give a damn. You see a face not stop. He's hurt.
00:10:22
Speaker 2: That's a hurt dude. So we are witnessing a hurt dude behaving in no other way that he knows that is now turning him into a complete villain for the season who will never get any.
00:10:34
Speaker 1: Bit of grace woo.
00:10:36
Speaker 2: But he's a human being, I believe robes, and all I see is human being behavior. I see behavior that I've expressed in some point in my life. In all of these guys, I've seen mistakes, I've seen some positives, ropes. They're just human beings doing stupid tough and we're having to see it and judging them for every bit of it.
00:10:56
Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back, I have a couple more questions for you, first of all, about what Anaya could have done differently from your opinion, to have changed perhaps how she and Casey ended up, and what you thought of Case's reaction to Anaya confronting him. And welcome back everyone, as we are discussing some of the love lessons that we have learned from Love Island, and I'm genuinely asking you on behalf of all women who were watching, and on behalf of all women who were frustrated and annoyed by Casey because we saw it coming.
00:11:43
Speaker 4: We knew what he was going to do. And then he did exactly what we hoped he wouldn't, but we knew he would. He dumps Anaya, brings in T T.
00:11:51
Speaker 3: But I'm curious you mentioned that he was hurt and that he felt somehow rejected by Anaya.
00:11:57
Speaker 4: I was watching Anaya.
00:11:59
Speaker 3: I thought she made it very very clear and she was fighting for him, and yes she was. She was asking for more from him, She was asking she didn't feel loved or desired by him necessarily, and I thought she made it perfectly clear she wanted to be with him.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: What did she do wrong? Why was that message not received?
00:12:16
Speaker 2: Because they're not listening to each other and then are respecting each other, and every time, every time she says she's not getting enough, some comparative suffering, Well I'm not getting enough, and it went into that lane. They're just not listening. Both of them have a fair argument. Both of them are, but rose they also had history. They've been together a year or so. You would understand that kind of behavior in your partner, you would understand that they don't mean or that they're having a bad moment, and they really do care about me. They just don't have that foundation robe. So what she should have done or could have done differently in this environment, that's hard to say, But you have to listen to somebody.
00:12:52
Speaker 1: You have to.
00:12:53
Speaker 2: This is a big lesson. Doesn't matter if your partner robes. We know this, We've experienced this. It doesn't matter if you agree with them about your behavior. It doesn't matter if you don't have to agree with them about why they're upset. But if your partner says they are upset based on something you have done, you have got to shut up and listen and nothing more. And that should mean enough to you. If something is bothering you that your partner has done, you got to respect them enough to listen and not just defend and deflect. And that those two certainly were doing that.
00:13:36
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because she still wanted him though despite all of that, he didn't want her. Look, they I can't think of the last time they were happy and boot up. Maybe after they read that letter to one another. They seemed like they were happy and they could trust one another way.
00:13:52
Speaker 1: It was downhill next episode, and it literally.
00:13:54
Speaker 3: Did, because all of a sudden, you start spiraling in soul and he wants to go pull someone for a chat. And this is really about the fear of rejection, the fear that your ego is going to get damaged, and then somehow you almost self sabotage to an extent that she got too upset. He got upset that she was upset, and that ended up pushing him away eventually. All right, how do you think he handled I mean, he did not speak basically when she gave him her two cents about I picked you, I picked you, you didn't pick me, and then girl Tit starts talking on his behalf. I'm curious why, as a man, why wouldn't he speak for himself? Why is he letting t t talk for him? That caused so much more drama by his inaction.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Okay, now we might need to go back and watch this a little more. This wasn't the right environment for the conversation that needed to be happy between those two. I didn't like the setup. There were five six women who are ready to attack him. He grew up, said one on one. Men might strip to get a word in. These were six angry women, and you're telling me you couldn't hear his voice. I'm saying, give him a break on that. He's not gonna shout them down. And it's also not his personality. He did need to stand there, he didn't need to take it. I would have loved for him to have said more or explained more. It was very hard for her to hear. Not the right moment rose for him to say, I did this for me. Wasn't the right time.
00:15:26
Speaker 4: I give were just about you and I. Yet we know it.
00:15:30
Speaker 2: Wasn't the right time for that, so he made some missteps there. It's just these two are the biggest disappointment because it didn't have to happen.
00:15:37
Speaker 1: We saw this in front of it.
00:15:40
Speaker 2: This did not have to happen between these two. Just a little simple moment.
00:15:46
Speaker 1: And this could have all been solved.
00:15:48
Speaker 2: Oh it sucks because they were kind of cool together and he was kind of good for her. But him taking credit for the yeah, I ride with her, she owes me back for I lifted her up kind of a thing. That's just a hurt guy, just a hurt dude. We hurt baby. That's the thing we never are expected to, so our behavior is not seen through that lens of a guy being in emotional pain because we're not supposed to be.
00:16:13
Speaker 4: It's not papathetic.
00:16:14
Speaker 3: It becomes where you actually, oh yeah, oh god, feel.
00:16:18
Speaker 4: Anger towards them based on what they're saying. Yes, has hurt, people hurt.
00:16:21
Speaker 1: And we're behaving yes, but that's how young men ro sometimes behave. He's not going to go in there and cry. I've said it last night. He isn't bryce the oldest one.
00:16:32
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine.
00:16:34
Speaker 1: He's more in touch with his feelings.
00:16:36
Speaker 4: He's very in touch with his feelings.
00:16:38
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to be a lost puppy dog broken hearted.
00:16:42
Speaker 1: She can't do that. He doesn't know how to do that.
00:16:44
Speaker 2: And then when this woman is hurting, this woman that he's been with for two weeks, he doesn't know how.
00:16:49
Speaker 4: How did he feel in that moment when she's crying?
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Speaker 3: I mean, what was going through his is in your best guess what was going through his.
00:16:57
Speaker 2: Second second guessing? He knew he made a mistake as soon as t t open her mouth. He said, oh God, what have I done?
00:17:04
Speaker 3: Because think about it, if he had chosen if he had chosen Anaya.
00:17:08
Speaker 4: What a wrapped up in a bow.
00:17:11
Speaker 3: Exciting, amazing episode that would have been. I mean yes, you would have had the Corbin drama a little bit with Permita, which is fine because Kenzie's got her guy, so it's not that big of a deal. It's more funny than anything him getting booed. It was more like lighthearted ha ha ha. But this just took it into a absolute death spiral.
00:17:31
Speaker 2: This was his only chance for getting back into the good graces of America is picking her total Maya Colpa, I'm sorry. I want to figure this out while we still have a chance.
00:17:40
Speaker 4: It could have been the hero of the night.
00:17:42
Speaker 1: Because he did.
00:17:43
Speaker 2: He screwed himself the past two or three episodes over the Casa. He had a chance, and I wish you'd taken it.
00:17:49
Speaker 4: Any chance of redemption now.
00:17:51
Speaker 2: For him, she's the only one that can give it to him, and I don't know if she has that in her now after this. I don't know, but he can't get it by being in a have a t T you kind would.
00:18:01
Speaker 4: Come America's sweethearts. No, no, no, not happening anytime.
00:18:05
Speaker 2: You and I have a better chance of becoming America's sweethearts than those two.
00:18:09
Speaker 3: I love it all right, and with that everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
00:18:14
Speaker 4: We thank you have made me Rebac alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: The folks. It is Saturday, June twenty seventh, and we get it. We get it.
00:00:07
Speaker 2: Casey is your villain of the season of Love Island, and last night he made one more decision that pissed everybody off, and everybody's trying to understand it. The answer is pretty simple, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
00:00:27
Speaker 1: Roopes. We did an episode previously.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: I had a bunch of questions for you about why nice guys finished last hashtag Carl.
00:00:36
Speaker 1: If you want to listen to that. You broke that down, but you.
00:00:38
Speaker 2: Were women had questions about Casey and the bad questions for I guess a few episodes.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because look, and this is interesting. We talked about this from the beginning. You liked Casey and I did too, but I was a little skeptical, so was Sabine, and we pretty quickly were like, yeah, I think he's a player.
00:00:57
Speaker 4: I don't think he's sincere. I don't think what.
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Speaker 3: He's saying to Anaya is actually what he's feeling. And you were like, no, man, this is a good guy.
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Speaker 4: He's great. You were all team Kseh.
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Speaker 2: There were a couple of episodes where he was my favorite character on the show.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and so look, I didn't want it to be true, but you kind of knew it. And then the second he gets over to Casamore, he acts like he is a dog in heat.
00:01:23
Speaker 4: And then it's just it was.
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Speaker 3: Just disrespectful what he was saying about about Anaya, that he he was the reason why he like, He made her smile, he was the reason why, you know, she was good, and he had some leeway because of all the things he did for Anaya and all the things he meant to Anaya. It was just this weird, inflated sense of self. And then, yeah, we didn't want him. We didn't want him in the end. You didn't want him in the end to pick tt.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: No, I did not.
00:01:53
Speaker 4: You wanted him to pick an Eye.
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Speaker 2: I did, because they've got time, they got history, and we obviously we all like Anaya, So you did want her to guy. And we I think we all suspected, right, she wasn't gonna pick Carl, no matter how nice of a guy.
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Speaker 3: I'd tell she was still pining away for Casey the entire time. She was trying not to show it, she was trying not to say it, but we all knew she was meantime, flash over to Kse. He's like, Anaya, who so why why was he so quick?
00:02:22
Speaker 4: Look?
00:02:22
Speaker 3: I think we all felt it, we all saw it coming, but we all didn't want it to happen.
00:02:27
Speaker 4: Why then did he choose tit?
00:02:29
Speaker 1: How many weeks ago did this show start?
00:02:31
Speaker 4: Three weeks ago?
00:02:32
Speaker 1: Okay?
00:02:34
Speaker 2: The short answer, For the first time in three weeks, somebody showed an interest in him, That was it, sweetheart, For the first time in three weeks, he felt desired. For the first time in three weeks, he had two women excited about him, the possibility of him. That is simply it. He is a human being. And yes, men robes who often might not always get credit for being emotional or wanting those types of things. Being desired is a big deal. And this is something he complained about in the other place. So after three weeks, all this is pent up. You got two women that he thinks was attractive who are all over him.
00:03:19
Speaker 1: That was exciting.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: So is that what men want? Men want to be desired? Of course period that Trump's everything else.
00:03:28
Speaker 2: Trump's Oh it's I go too crazy here, But robes, I think we don't we talk about it with women all the time.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: We talk about it with women on this show. Did I can't remember.
00:03:38
Speaker 2: Which one it was where they didn't feel It might have been Trinity where he didn't feel desired.
00:03:45
Speaker 4: Look, I totally agree. I mean, look what you're saying, it makes like a woman one hundred percent.
00:03:49
Speaker 3: That's what we would say. We want to feel desired. I would think men want to be respected, and yes, of course every person wants to be desired. But I'm interested that he was so willing to walk away from someone who was clearly invested in him, who was fighting for him, who I think showed that she wanted to be with him, but he wanted instead to just have his ego stroked. Was it couldn't be superficial, there was no depth to TT.
00:04:17
Speaker 2: Well she didn't have time to get to the depth of TT. But no, we're putting I think we're holding him as a man to a different standard. We feel and want that thing you're talking about, and women will say it out loud. We want to be desired and want to be touched and one of all these things men want it, But we can't say that. So instead, what do we do? We act out? We act out When Naya didn't desire me. Now look at what I got. Now look at I am desired.
00:04:48
Speaker 1: I am so.
00:04:49
Speaker 2: He now reacts in an angry way by lashing out in Annaya. He reacts by playing these two women off of each other, which is him being immature in the back and forth.
00:04:59
Speaker 4: Because now he feel the man.
00:05:01
Speaker 2: Yes, but roads that's all that is is the same thing women feel. We just don't say it out loud, and we're not allowed to react the way you all do. He reacts emotionally, but with anger, with more bravado. His feelings are hurt. Baby, that's a hurt dude. You never say that, but he's hurt.
00:05:19
Speaker 4: So we should feel sorry for Casey.
00:05:21
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Do you jump into a conclusion. Don't do that. Don't don't do that.
00:05:25
Speaker 2: I'm saying there is a grace that should be allowed for a guy who is behaving badly because he too is hurt. His heart is hurt, his feelings are hurt, his ego is hurt. He opened the door on episode one and nobody was behind it.
00:05:39
Speaker 4: He mentioned that last night too.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: He has not been desired. He ends up with a Naya who had her eye on Sincere. In the beginning, did she not yes robes? And now he goes through he has been company. Now you have to give him credit. You want to say it was anauthentic, okay, but roads that were real moments we thought were real moments where he was comforting her, reassuring her, telling her she was beautiful when she was down.
00:06:05
Speaker 3: And those were the moments that she remembered. Those were the moments where and she gave that as her reason when she stood up there and said why she chose Casey, she referenced those.
00:06:15
Speaker 4: Moments specifically, yep, because.
00:06:17
Speaker 3: He made her feel special, He made her feel beautiful, He made her feel wanted and desired.
00:06:23
Speaker 2: So what happens when he doesn't feel wanted, special, beautiful, or desired. He's not allowed to express it that way because he's a twenty four year old black man. He's not allowed to get up and say, yeah, I don't feel beautiful. She doesn't make me feel special and desired. You don't say that. What you do is steadily get frustrated and resentful along the way until what I'm going to another house and they're gonna put two women in front of me who are drooling over me.
00:06:54
Speaker 3: So is it less about t TI and more about how he feels about.
00:06:58
Speaker 1: Himself right now, Nigga, because no, t T love you.
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Speaker 2: Sure, she's a wonderful person, but we've only known her a few episodes. We've been riding with Anaya for a minute. Obviously we all are riding with a Naya. Oh, there's no way he knows enough about t T to think she has trumped the character of Anaya that he's gotten to know. Obviously that's not the case. But what has t T done played to his ego. She gave him exactly what she needs. She might have been studying it before she came in.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's she sounds like she might have been. Because she had her eyes set on him. She made it very clear, you're the only one, and when he said no, you should go see who else, she got so upset.
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Speaker 4: And he liked it.
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Speaker 3: He liked it that she got kind of mad at him. He giggled, he laughed. He still went with.
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Speaker 4: The other one. Forgot what her name is.
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Speaker 3: He went went and slept for Sidney, Sydney, so he kind of kept her on her toes. But she stayed and maybe it was even a test to see how she was going to react, and he liked how maybe she was gonna fight for him and she wasn't gonna go check out anyone else.
00:08:04
Speaker 4: She was his. She proved her loyalty and maybe that was enough.
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Speaker 2: He appreciated that, but it was also Rose the opposite of what he was getting from Anaya. Now we can judge that if she was giving him enough, and maybe not, but we know.
00:08:16
Speaker 1: How he felt.
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Speaker 2: He expressed how he felt in there at the time. So whether you think it was right or not, it was real. So Romp, it was the perfect storm for him to get over there. And now he's desired. And you were talking about how he was giddy and Rose. There were times he had some uncomfortable, awkward, even inappropriate laughter and giddiness as women were expressing frustration, Oh you want.
00:08:41
Speaker 1: To go sleep with hell, Hey, come on, bruh.
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Speaker 2: And that stuff was that he's a giddy kid again, who's all of a sudden a good looking dude, a confident dude.
00:08:53
Speaker 1: Who now this guy's mojo back?
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Speaker 4: Is he a player?
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Speaker 2: And he's twenty four years old and single? Every guy that's the answers yes to every guy you name.
00:09:02
Speaker 4: Is it wrong for women to expect him not to be.
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Speaker 2: Wrong to expect him not to be. No, you should absolutely expect him not to be based on what he tells you. But in this environment, he's doing what he's supposed to do.
00:09:17
Speaker 1: Is he not the thing? I take issue with the way he spoke.
00:09:21
Speaker 2: I'd choose me the way well, not even that, which was also terrible. I'm talking about at the CASA or speaking about an eye behind her back, And I think Corbin might have been the worst. But Casey, what was the thing? I don't even give a f what was the thing he was?
00:09:37
Speaker 3: He said he didn't give an f He didn't feel anything when he saw her with another guy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you believe that?
00:09:43
Speaker 4: Well, no, because if you.
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Speaker 3: Have to say that, anyone who we've seen say that absolutely feels the opposite.
00:09:48
Speaker 2: That's a hurt guy who, as a black young black man, is not allowed to emotionally express how he's hurting. He can't go all Bryce in the confessionals, right, he's a different guy. It's not his personality but robes. He doesn't know how to express himself in a mature way, and it comes out in a bad way by bad mouthing Anaya.
00:10:14
Speaker 1: He likes Anaya. He cares about Anaya. He does, but all of the I don't give a damn. You see a face not stop. He's hurt.
00:10:22
Speaker 2: That's a hurt dude. So we are witnessing a hurt dude behaving in no other way that he knows that is now turning him into a complete villain for the season who will never get any.
00:10:34
Speaker 1: Bit of grace woo.
00:10:36
Speaker 2: But he's a human being, I believe robes, and all I see is human being behavior. I see behavior that I've expressed in some point in my life. In all of these guys, I've seen mistakes, I've seen some positives, ropes. They're just human beings doing stupid tough and we're having to see it and judging them for every bit of it.
00:10:56
Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back, I have a couple more questions for you, first of all, about what Anaya could have done differently from your opinion, to have changed perhaps how she and Casey ended up, and what you thought of Case's reaction to Anaya confronting him. And welcome back everyone, as we are discussing some of the love lessons that we have learned from Love Island, and I'm genuinely asking you on behalf of all women who were watching, and on behalf of all women who were frustrated and annoyed by Casey because we saw it coming.
00:11:43
Speaker 4: We knew what he was going to do. And then he did exactly what we hoped he wouldn't, but we knew he would. He dumps Anaya, brings in T T.
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Speaker 3: But I'm curious you mentioned that he was hurt and that he felt somehow rejected by Anaya.
00:11:57
Speaker 4: I was watching Anaya.
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Speaker 3: I thought she made it very very clear and she was fighting for him, and yes she was. She was asking for more from him, She was asking she didn't feel loved or desired by him necessarily, and I thought she made it perfectly clear she wanted to be with him.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: What did she do wrong? Why was that message not received?
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Speaker 2: Because they're not listening to each other and then are respecting each other, and every time, every time she says she's not getting enough, some comparative suffering, Well I'm not getting enough, and it went into that lane. They're just not listening. Both of them have a fair argument. Both of them are, but rose they also had history. They've been together a year or so. You would understand that kind of behavior in your partner, you would understand that they don't mean or that they're having a bad moment, and they really do care about me. They just don't have that foundation robe. So what she should have done or could have done differently in this environment, that's hard to say, But you have to listen to somebody.
00:12:52
Speaker 1: You have to.
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Speaker 2: This is a big lesson. Doesn't matter if your partner robes. We know this, We've experienced this. It doesn't matter if you agree with them about your behavior. It doesn't matter if you don't have to agree with them about why they're upset. But if your partner says they are upset based on something you have done, you have got to shut up and listen and nothing more. And that should mean enough to you. If something is bothering you that your partner has done, you got to respect them enough to listen and not just defend and deflect. And that those two certainly were doing that.
00:13:36
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because she still wanted him though despite all of that, he didn't want her. Look, they I can't think of the last time they were happy and boot up. Maybe after they read that letter to one another. They seemed like they were happy and they could trust one another way.
00:13:52
Speaker 1: It was downhill next episode, and it literally.
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Speaker 3: Did, because all of a sudden, you start spiraling in soul and he wants to go pull someone for a chat. And this is really about the fear of rejection, the fear that your ego is going to get damaged, and then somehow you almost self sabotage to an extent that she got too upset. He got upset that she was upset, and that ended up pushing him away eventually. All right, how do you think he handled I mean, he did not speak basically when she gave him her two cents about I picked you, I picked you, you didn't pick me, and then girl Tit starts talking on his behalf. I'm curious why, as a man, why wouldn't he speak for himself? Why is he letting t t talk for him? That caused so much more drama by his inaction.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Okay, now we might need to go back and watch this a little more. This wasn't the right environment for the conversation that needed to be happy between those two. I didn't like the setup. There were five six women who are ready to attack him. He grew up, said one on one. Men might strip to get a word in. These were six angry women, and you're telling me you couldn't hear his voice. I'm saying, give him a break on that. He's not gonna shout them down. And it's also not his personality. He did need to stand there, he didn't need to take it. I would have loved for him to have said more or explained more. It was very hard for her to hear. Not the right moment rose for him to say, I did this for me. Wasn't the right time.
00:15:26
Speaker 4: I give were just about you and I. Yet we know it.
00:15:30
Speaker 2: Wasn't the right time for that, so he made some missteps there. It's just these two are the biggest disappointment because it didn't have to happen.
00:15:37
Speaker 1: We saw this in front of it.
00:15:40
Speaker 2: This did not have to happen between these two. Just a little simple moment.
00:15:46
Speaker 1: And this could have all been solved.
00:15:48
Speaker 2: Oh it sucks because they were kind of cool together and he was kind of good for her. But him taking credit for the yeah, I ride with her, she owes me back for I lifted her up kind of a thing. That's just a hurt guy, just a hurt dude. We hurt baby. That's the thing we never are expected to, so our behavior is not seen through that lens of a guy being in emotional pain because we're not supposed to be.
00:16:13
Speaker 4: It's not papathetic.
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Speaker 3: It becomes where you actually, oh yeah, oh god, feel.
00:16:18
Speaker 4: Anger towards them based on what they're saying. Yes, has hurt, people hurt.
00:16:21
Speaker 1: And we're behaving yes, but that's how young men ro sometimes behave. He's not going to go in there and cry. I've said it last night. He isn't bryce the oldest one.
00:16:32
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine.
00:16:34
Speaker 1: He's more in touch with his feelings.
00:16:36
Speaker 4: He's very in touch with his feelings.
00:16:38
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to be a lost puppy dog broken hearted.
00:16:42
Speaker 1: She can't do that. He doesn't know how to do that.
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Speaker 2: And then when this woman is hurting, this woman that he's been with for two weeks, he doesn't know how.
00:16:49
Speaker 4: How did he feel in that moment when she's crying?
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Speaker 3: I mean, what was going through his is in your best guess what was going through his.
00:16:57
Speaker 2: Second second guessing? He knew he made a mistake as soon as t t open her mouth. He said, oh God, what have I done?
00:17:04
Speaker 3: Because think about it, if he had chosen if he had chosen Anaya.
00:17:08
Speaker 4: What a wrapped up in a bow.
00:17:11
Speaker 3: Exciting, amazing episode that would have been. I mean yes, you would have had the Corbin drama a little bit with Permita, which is fine because Kenzie's got her guy, so it's not that big of a deal. It's more funny than anything him getting booed. It was more like lighthearted ha ha ha. But this just took it into a absolute death spiral.
00:17:31
Speaker 2: This was his only chance for getting back into the good graces of America is picking her total Maya Colpa, I'm sorry. I want to figure this out while we still have a chance.
00:17:40
Speaker 4: It could have been the hero of the night.
00:17:42
Speaker 1: Because he did.
00:17:43
Speaker 2: He screwed himself the past two or three episodes over the Casa. He had a chance, and I wish you'd taken it.
00:17:49
Speaker 4: Any chance of redemption now.
00:17:51
Speaker 2: For him, she's the only one that can give it to him, and I don't know if she has that in her now after this. I don't know, but he can't get it by being in a have a t T you kind would.
00:18:01
Speaker 4: Come America's sweethearts. No, no, no, not happening anytime.
00:18:05
Speaker 2: You and I have a better chance of becoming America's sweethearts than those two.
00:18:09
Speaker 3: I love it all right, and with that everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
00:18:14
Speaker 4: We thank you have made me Rebac alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.