Sept. 23, 2026
Looksmaxxing Influencer “Clavicular” Charged With Rape, But There’s SO Much More To This Story!
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RSS Feed Looksmaxxing influencer, 20-year-old Braden Peters, known as Clavicular, has been charged with rape, drugging someone for sexual intercourse and providing liquor to someone under 21. His alleged victim has also filed a lawsuit against him, claiming she was repeatedly raped without giving her consent and at one point, says Peters injected her face with fat dissolvers on a livestream. Peters claims he’s innocent of all charges, and has already started to smear his accuser on his social media accounts. We took a deep dive into the looksmaxxing trend and its frightening origins that every single woman and parent needs to be aware of, especially its ties to mass shootings.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, and a lot of y'all have heard the story by now.
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Speaker 2: Prominent looks-maxing influencer has been charged with rape.
00:00:13
Speaker 1: Folks, that is just the beginning of this story.
00:00:17
Speaker 2: And with that, welcome. I'm TJ, that's Robes, and we are learning a lot here. Robes, we're learning a lot because, first of all, I wasn't sure what looks-maxing was, and I certainly wasn't sure exactly who clavicular... I didn't know what exactly. Seen his name in some headlines. But Robes, that's just scratching the surface of this story. What's blown your mind away most that you have learned about this subculture in reading up on this story?
00:00:45
Speaker 3: First of all, just that it exists, first of all and foremost. But it seems on its face to be about looks. Obviously, looks maxing.
00:00:54
Speaker 4: So you think, okay, these are just some vain.
00:00:57
Speaker 3: kids who are trying to look hot to get women, right?
00:01:01
Speaker 4: But it is so much more than that.
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Speaker 3: It is so much more deviant and scary and frightening than that. And the fact that there's this whole subculture that is actually linked back to school shooters, the connections with violence, with misogyny, with racism, with eugenics, white supremacy. I mean, this is so much more than it appears on the face of it. And If you don't know, which we weren't that aware of it, we need to be aware because this is something that should be on everyone's radar.
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Speaker 2: I was quick to be dismissive because it's almost funny and cute to the point of ridiculousness. Some dude who actually calls himself clavicular. Like even that idea, like these nuts doing their thing online, whatever, fine. The idea of look-smaxing, it does sound vain. So, okay, there's guys out there. There's a couple of guys who are, a couple of guys. There's a community of guys who are into how they look. That was my extent of it, babe.
00:02:11
Speaker 1: I thought it was a playful thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh, those guys, maybe it's not my thing, but they're into how they look to an extreme.
00:02:17
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought that was it. I thought that's all looks max.
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Speaker 3: I figured the harm was done to themselves, to their own body, that they weren't necessarily doing harm to others or had no intent of harming others.
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Speaker 4: I was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Uh, yes, we were wrong.
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Speaker 2: So, uh, folks, first of all, this 20 year old, uh, clavicular, uh, he has gained quite a following online robes and he has been at this for many, many years. But at this point at this looks maxing thing, but just here recently, uh, A lot of you may have seen the news. His name is everywhere because he has been charged with rape for an incident that allegedly took place at his family home in Massachusetts last year. And we'll get into some of these details, but it has to do with a 17-year-old girl. The charge includes supplying alcohol to someone under the age and rape robes.
00:03:11
Speaker 1: And this is a young.
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Speaker 2: Lady who at least according to her, she was too drunk to even try to give consent. So that is, by definition, a sexual assault.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And his real name, by the way, is Braden Peters. You mentioned he's 20 years old. And yes, he is from New Jersey. And he starts talking about... Across the river, right? Yeah, across the river from Hoboken, right? As a teen, I believe at the age of 14. Granted, that was only six years ago, the fact that he's 20. But Started injecting himself with steroids that he got online, basically. Fat dissolvers. Trying to change the way he looked because he felt like he wasn't physically attractive to the opposite sex.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Robes, you said he was 14. It was only six years ago.
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Speaker 2: True. But the thing of that to me is that a 14-year-old got into this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, what is happening online? What a lot of these... communities and subcultures.
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Speaker 2: He got into what a 14-year-old is buying fat dissolvers and steroids because at that point, at 14, he was so, I guess, unhappy with the way he looked that he wanted to become something else. And I guess we have options out there that will help you do that.
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Speaker 3: What's sad is at 14 and you're a boy, you haven't even gone through puberty yet. So what they're doing to their bodies and the permanent damage and changes that they're making. And it goes beyond just steroids, testosterone, fat dissolvers. There are actually hammers involved where they actually crush their own bones, their own facial bones to try and change how their faces look.
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Speaker 4: This is beyond scary.
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Speaker 2: Um, this is, he is now the face of, and I guess some people would tell you he's the pretty face of, and he will tell you he's the pretty face of, he is the most prominent person out there in this looks maxing culture. And it's not safe. It's not cute. It's not vain. Um, part of it, yes, robes has to do with hygiene.
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Speaker 3: Hygiene.
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Speaker 1: A nice haircut. These are the products you should use. Even makeup. You could throw that in there. Ropes, that's different.
00:05:38
Speaker 4: That's benign.
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Speaker 1: But I thought that's what it was.
00:05:40
Speaker 4: So did I.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was looks. You're into yourself.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Yep.
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Speaker 1: I thought that's all.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was like tan maxing or, you know, they've got all these other little cute names on TikTok for doing things, perhaps to the extreme, but all in good fun to try and look better, look chic or have a better Instagram selfie.
00:06:02
Speaker 4: That is what we thought the extent of it was.
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Speaker 2: But no, to your point, yes, looks maxing, it does include all that stuff. But another element of it has to do with the extremes. Rogues has to do with injecting your face with certain non-FDA approved chemicals. It has to do with two, I guess the most dramatic thing they talk about, Robes, is literally changing the structure of your face and not through, as you just described. And Robes, it's hard to imagine anybody doing this to himself. But changing your face structure, not by going to a doctor, but by breaking your own bones. You break the bones in your face and they've said folks have used hammers to do so And then what.
00:06:46
Speaker 1: Robes are supposed to.
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Speaker 4: Chisel your face.
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Speaker 1: And it grows back like that?
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know, but the fact that they're experimenting on their faces, that are still growing, by the way, as young teens, and how would you even know? Like, a plastic surgeon wouldn't do that. I mean, I can't even get into how much that gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Speaker 2: So this guy, clavicular, Brayden Peters, is the face of that He has been doing this stuff to himself for years, Robes, and the name clavicular even has to do, they put so much emphasis on the clavicle. And if you have a longer one or wider one, you're better looking because then you have the potential, right, to get that Adonis shape with a wide clavicle.
00:07:34
Speaker 1: And that's why he calls himself clavicular based on that. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And if you see his body, he posts these pictures where he actually looks like a human triangle reversed. I mean, he looks like an elite swimmer, almost, the way he's created.
00:07:50
Speaker 4: This body that he has.
00:07:51
Speaker 1: He still looks like a kid to me.
00:07:52
Speaker 4: But he does.
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Speaker 3: He has this baby face, and then he has this body. I don't know how he did it exactly. I mean, he goes through some of this stuff, but it doesn't look natural.
00:08:03
Speaker 2: Because it's not, Rose. He's been talked about at times he had in his past.
00:08:07
Speaker 1: He has used meth as an appetite suppressant. Matt, that's an extreme.
00:08:15
Speaker 2: That's not I'm just doing drugs because I want to get high. Robes, everything is in line with and for the purpose of improving your looks.
00:08:25
Speaker 3: Ooh.
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Speaker 1: Is that.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, we said he has a baby face and pretty boy this and that. Well, these charges and this accusation is pretty heinous, Robes. This is a young lady, and it sounds like a lot of young women follow him around, are willing to do a lot of stuff because they want to build their own social media presence. platforms and their own profiles and he has some online clout so this young lady at least the way the story goes from last year 17 years old sounded like she was in pursuit of some of that she was happy to be a part of his.
00:08:55
Speaker 3: Life yes she actually said when she told police and the police report that she went to his home willingly on cape cod she mentioned his grandmother and his mother were there and she was going to do this live stream willingly with him because yeah she was trying to Increase her social media following because she, too, was a budding influencer and that he she claims forced him forced her, excuse me, to drink vodka, but say it was water and say she was 18 on camera when she was actually 17. And so then he claimed she claims that he then had sex with her. when the live stream finished, correct, and that she woke up the next morning with him on top of her having sex with her again.
00:09:40
Speaker 2: Okay, so again, this is a young lady, all of this. She did not give consent, and by definition, by rule, that is considered a sexual assault. This is the same young lady who filed a lawsuit against him down in Florida. That had to do initially, Rose, with him injecting something in her face against her.
00:09:59
Speaker 3: And this took place reportedly after the alleged rape that she met up with him again in Miami.
00:10:06
Speaker 4: And because she was with some of.
00:10:08
Speaker 3: Her girlfriends and there was a group of folks, she said she felt safe and still saw the opportunity to, again, increase her social media influences. So he convinced her, she claims, to allow him to inject fat-dissolving, some sort of fat-dissolving substance into her face, which she said left marks on her face, and did this all on a live stream?
00:10:32
Speaker 1: What happens there, Robes? You know his attorney is going to and already has attacked that. But what does that do?
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Speaker 2: We see so many of these cases where the first thing, well, if he raped you, if this was your... assault her, why would you go to have drinks with him again? Why would you go interact with him again? Why would you send him that email or have a nice message?
00:10:51
Speaker 3: Well, and to that point, Clavicular has already, as of this recording just a few hours ago, in his own defense, posting her texts to him that would have occurred after this alleged rape, saying basically that she likes him and she's not going to lie. And she was kind of fishing around to see if they could hang. doesn't have to be on social media, just private. And in his, what he put up there, his text back was like, I'm kind of busy right now. So his claim is, I rejected her, she's angry, and this is her revenge. And that is how he is shaping this.
00:11:33
Speaker 1: Haven't we seen that plenty of times before?
00:11:35
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:11:37
Speaker 2: But then this is what happens now, Robes, is she is going to get attacked, certainly by his attorney, but by who else in the public who will not believe her, who will not say her story is legit because she wanted something. Why does she keep coming back? You weren't scared of him if you actually think he raped you. This story, we hear it so often, and what do we end up doing with it, Robes? Because right now, this young lady did want something from him, did she not?
00:12:05
Speaker 3: She did, and she even told police that she was willing to be in his presence, willing to go back to his room with him, because she was hoping to increase her social media influence for sure. And she admits that, but she claims she did not give consent. She was served alcohol under age and that she did not give consent because we should point out. And they've pointed out when I say they, his team, that the age of consent in the state of Massachusetts is 16. So whether she said she was 18 when she was 17 or not, they're claiming it's not against the law.
00:12:40
Speaker 4: To have sex with someone who is 16 years old. However, she claims she.
00:12:44
Speaker 3: Did not give consent and could not give consent because she was intoxicated, heavily intoxicated.
00:12:50
Speaker 1: What's that fight, that legal fight?
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Speaker 4: That's a tough one, though. Anyone knows.
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Speaker 3: And look, if the DA has chosen to pursue charges, they must feel like this is something they could potentially win. Because I believe it's pretty well documented and anyone in law enforcement or in a prosecutor's office will tell you that this exact type of crime is one of the most difficult to prosecute because it boils down to he said, she said. So Robes, this.
00:13:21
Speaker 1: Guy, I don't, We don't know him.
00:13:31
Speaker 2: And right now he's an innocent man until otherwise proven by or convicted, unsaid by a jury.
00:13:37
Speaker 1: But Robes, I don't, like I was dismissive.
00:13:40
Speaker 2: Let's take for a second the rape allegation off the table and let's just stick with looks maxing and this guy. This is dangerous and it's scary the way that we have now looked into it because it's tied to a subculture of men misogynistic guys who actually blame women for their problems in the world, for them not being able to get dates, for them not being successful, and so on and so forth, Robes. This is not just some silly ha-ha trend. People are coming up into this subculture from another sub-subculture, Robes, Of pretty terrifying characters. Do you have that line in front of you? You gave me a line earlier about people think these guys think it's reverse.
00:14:34
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:14:34
Speaker 1: What was that line?
00:14:35
Speaker 4: It's reverse rape. So incel is incels, right? This is this group. Have you ever heard of incels? I had not. You asked me this morning if I had. Nope.
00:14:45
Speaker 1: You Google it.
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Speaker 4: Anyone listening right now or watching right now, please.
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Speaker 3: Google incels and it's going to scare the heck out of you. Especially I would argue if you're a woman or have a daughter, because if this is happening, this movement is growing and now we're calling it looks maxing. But if it's based in this incel ideology, here's what it is. They believe this is the theme of incels that the current sexual marketplace gives women too much freedom to to choose their own partners. And they say that the men that they choose aren't incels. And so they believe they're being deprived of their sexual birthright. So they're saying that women who deny.
00:15:30
Speaker 4: Sexual birthright.
00:15:30
Speaker 3: Yes. So women who are denying these men sex, it's a form of, and they are committing what they deem reverse rape. And they say reverse rape is just as dangerous and just as harmful as actual rape. So a woman who says, I don't want to have sex with you because I'm not physically attracted to you, that's reverse rape. And it does damage and harm. And it's just as bad as real rape. That is what they believe. So their rejection, instead of saying.
00:16:07
Speaker 3: That's her right not to be sexually attracted to me, not to want to have sex.
00:16:11
Speaker 4: No. They're committing an act against you.
00:16:15
Speaker 1: Because the man has the right.
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Speaker 4: You're a victim if you are denied sex by a woman. Isn't that scary?
00:16:23
Speaker 2: And if you all don't believe what she just said, like, Google it. I had no idea. In the cell is a combination of two words. Involuntarily celibate. involuntarily celibate. They're saying here they want to be having sex.
00:16:43
Speaker 4: But they're being denied the right, their birthright, by women.
00:16:48
Speaker 2: So, how do we get from there to looks maxing? Because those guys, there are some of those guys who just rage online. They have these communities like secret little places and chat rooms and websites they go to and hashtags they use because a lot of Social media companies have been cutting down on this type of behavior.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: It's misogynistic. And yes, it's warped or very close to violence.
00:17:14
Speaker 3: I was going to say, isn't it inciting violence or encouraging violence?
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Speaker 2: And it has been connected to a very violent couple of events. We'll tell you about that in just a second. But robes, if you have this angry group of guys, they're mad at women. A lot of them stay in that. A lot of them act out. A lot of them continue to talk this way. But then some of them graduate. They graduate to this next subculture into where they say, you know what? I am not going to stick around down there with the losers who can't get a girl. I am going to do the thing that is necessary to get money, to get power, to get women.
00:17:55
Speaker 1: I need to be good looking.
00:17:56
Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: Because the incels believe that 80% of women will only date the top 20% of men who look.
00:18:06
Speaker 4: A certain way.
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Speaker 3: So they will only lavish their attention or give sex to men who are either extremely good looking or extremely wealthy. And so that leaves the remaining 80% of men, including incels, without a partner because us women will only have sex with the top 20% of men who are the rich, hot ones.
00:18:29
Speaker 1: Okay, and they don't take this out on the men.
00:18:31
Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: They don't direct it towards those successful guys. No, no, no, no, no. It's the women.
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Speaker 2: So incels might stay down there in that sub-subculture doing this thing and in their chat rooms, but some graduate out roads and they start doing what Braden Peters started to do when he was 14 and not feeling like he was good-looking enough. he started messing with his appearance. He started robes to change everything about him, and he thinks that leads to success. So now, if you have the look-smaxers, robes, we have guys with the same mentality, the same mindset and thought about women, about looks. They're the same dangerous mindset, a lot of them, and that part makes look-smaxing not something that's cute. It's not cute. It's not funny. And I did not realize Robes until we did this deep dive of what we're dealing with and what we're talking about. And some of the accusations, he's an innocent man. But Robes, he spends time going around, a lot of his success, judging. He goes out live on the street, judges a woman head to toe in how she looks.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: Does this thing called mogging. You see that?
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Speaker 2: Where he literally just walks up to another random man on the street and stands next to him to show by comparison how unattractive that man is. Robes, there is some mean, vile stuff connected to what sounds like this fun, looks-maxing trend. Uh-uh, we need to pay a little bit of attention to this.
00:20:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, he likes to use the N-word.
00:20:12
Speaker 1: That has been a part of his thing as well.
00:20:15
Speaker 4: You can't be black and be a looks-maxer?
00:20:18
Speaker 2: No, it's been connected, and that's another part. We haven't even talked about robes. The controversy is tied to what?
00:20:24
Speaker 1: Eugenics.
00:20:25
Speaker 2: The idea that there is a perfect and ideal or a preferred appearance.
00:20:31
Speaker 4: White supremacy?
00:20:32
Speaker 1: And it ain't black skin. It is black. Not.
00:20:36
Speaker 3: I believe in Miami, wasn't he seen dancing to Ye's Heil Hitler song?
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Speaker 4: He unabashedly.
00:20:42
Speaker 1: Which Tate brother was he with? It was him?
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Speaker 2: One of the.
00:20:45
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I can't remember which Tate brother. And the right wing guy. They were together. Oh, God.
00:20:50
Speaker 3: They're all in the same group. They're all in the same mindset. And they're all now accused of the same type of criminal behavior.
00:20:59
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
00:21:00
Speaker 1: The manosphere. All this stuff is connected to the manosphere.
00:21:04
Speaker 3: Ropes.
00:21:07
Speaker 1: I did, babe.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: I thought, I don't know, some 22-year-old guy is following and he's got a whole hair and a beauty routine.
00:21:16
Speaker 4: Babe, that's what I thought it was too.
00:21:17
Speaker 1: I really thought it was that. The best haircut, maybe trying to work out.
00:21:21
Speaker 4: I thought it was like gym tan, like that kind of a thing.
00:21:24
Speaker 3: The Jersey Shore guys kind of started it with how to look good for the girls.
00:21:28
Speaker 4: That is what I 100% thought it was. The Jersey Shore guys. That's what I thought looks good.
00:21:34
Speaker 3: Maxing was like i get it go to the gym work out don't eat carbs uh tan you know wear whatever i mean the tightest t-shirt you can find to show off your pecs okay yes that's what i thought looks maxing was and.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: Those guys you can smile at.
00:21:50
Speaker 3: They're fun you can laugh they're sweet they like women then you don't think anything no ill of it it's just it is not that.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: It's not that. What do we do with it now, Rogues, when we hear about looks maxing? Because there are plenty of people who are running to this guy's defense.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: They don't want to be a victim anymore.
00:22:18
Speaker 3: And isn't it so much easier instead of when you're rejected, instead of saying, you know, maybe I can improve myself or be the best version of myself. No, it goes to another extreme of blaming the woman for not wanting you. and for denying you what you're owed and due, which is sexual pleasure, and then going to extreme measures to look super hot. But it's not to find a partner or to ride off into the sunset with a woman.
00:22:48
Speaker 4: No, it's to control women. It's to be in charge.
00:22:51
Speaker 3: It's to tell everyone else what to do so that you're no longer, not just not a victim, but that you are now in power.
00:23:00
Speaker 4: And it's scary.
00:23:01
Speaker 3: This is not this is not changing for the better or changing.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: To look good or to, like I said, look for a wife. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is about power.
00:23:14
Speaker 3: And it almost feels like it's about revenge, revenge against every woman who turned you down. And now every woman you're going to meet is going to pay the price for how that made you feel.
00:23:26
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how, why the influence is here. Um, But we talk about the Tate brothers. We have a guy like this. Robes, what are young men going to be here in the next five, ten years? Do we have guys coming up, thinking this way, following this stuff, and getting in their minds that women are possessions, women are not partners, that you have a right to this, this, or this?
00:23:56
Speaker 1: I mean, this is... How is that going to show up?
00:24:00
Speaker 3: Well, I think you see this in the most vulnerable of men or young boys even at this point who feel powerless, who feel like they don't have a voice. And suddenly someone's telling them, I'll give you a voice.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: I'll give you power. And by the way, it's not your fault. It's her fault.
00:24:19
Speaker 3: And if you can blame someone else for how you feel, that is so intoxicating.
00:24:26
Speaker 4: And that is what is going on.
00:24:28
Speaker 2: Babe, did you realize? I don't know if you meant to do that. You just described politics. You just described political or presidential campaigns. You tell somebody it's their fault that you're having the problem you're having.
00:24:41
Speaker 3: And you demonize the other people. You lift up this group of folks who feel marginalized. And oftentimes you do see, I mean, who are the school shooters? And we'll get to the school shooting ties. But they are usually.
00:24:55
Speaker 3: Young, white, angry teenagers who feel like they've been bullied or not included.
00:25:04
Speaker 4: They feel alone.
00:25:06
Speaker 3: You mentioned loners, but it's because they feel isolated. They don't feel like they belong. And this group of men, these looks maxers or these incels, make them feel like they belong, make them feel like they're not alone, but for all the wrong reasons.
00:25:20
Speaker 4: And yes, the common.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: Enemy thing is exactly what People do who want to manipulate others.
00:25:27
Speaker 4: And make them feel like they're powerful.
00:25:29
Speaker 2: And the looks maxers and incels. Looks maxers will actually get offended if you associate them with incels.
00:25:37
Speaker 3: Really?
00:25:38
Speaker 1: Because.
00:25:38
Speaker 4: They're no longer incels. They've graduated.
00:25:41
Speaker 2: They're losers down there. But the culture of looks maxing certainly came from that. Clavicular in particular.
00:25:48
Speaker 1: Walked out. Did I just rhyme and not mean to? Clavicular in particular. I didn't mean to do that.
00:25:54
Speaker 4: You did. You were a poet and didn't know it.
00:25:56
Speaker 2: I can't believe that didn't come out before now. But yes, he did an interview with 60 Minutes Australia, walked out of it when they came up to the incel questions.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:26:08
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: Tone changed.
00:26:09
Speaker 4: Touched a nerve. Trigger.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: Tone changed. Mood changed. And really the only thing he gave was incels. Why would I want to be any part of that?
00:26:18
Speaker 1: I'm out of that. I get the girls. Like he immediately... You see his tone change.
00:26:23
Speaker 2: You learn so much about him in this little 15-second clip that I'm going to make sure I show it to you. And you're going to go, oh, wow, I wish I had seen that before we recorded the episode. You get a feel for him.
00:26:33
Speaker 4: You just hit a nerve, and there's a reason why.
00:26:35
Speaker 3: Because that's where his insecurity, all of this is born from insecurity. Now you just called out the insecurity, and it's exposed now. and anger comes out, or defensiveness comes out. That is what a trigger is, and that tells you all you need to know about him.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: But we've mentioned Roves, and folks might think it was a stretch to connect this to any violence, real-world violence, or to think anything like looks-maxing could result in violence. But Roves and a lot of people, I know you will remember it, a shooting in 2014. Now, I don't remember incel being associated with this guy, but it absolutely was. 2014, this guy was angry, Rose, we remember, because he couldn't get a girl. This guy in that shooting in 2014 at UC Santa Barbara, Elliot Roger, killed six people, injured another 14 in a shooting. He had long writings and manifestos online, and in particular, Rose, He was a part of this incel community to the point he was even applauded in some of these subcultures and saying, hell yeah, look at what they do to you. Look at what they force you into. Look at what they push you to do. Robes, that guy was directly associated with.
00:28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, he posted that manifesto and a video, correct? Right before he went out on his shooting rampage. But yes, he blamed women for his unhappiness. He referred to himself as the supreme gentleman. And yeah, he absolutely then unfortunately inspired other men in this incel group because they're like, look at him. He went out with a bang. He He made his point known. He exacted his revenge. But yes, it's about creating this idea of women being the common enemy.
00:28:39
Speaker 1: We are not.
00:28:42
Speaker 2: No one should ever make a suggestion that just because somebody is a follower of clavicular that they're going to end up taking out any violence on anybody.
00:28:54
Speaker 1: Or sexually assaulting anybody. No.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: But what we are saying and what plenty have pointed out, Robes, is that these subcultures can be dangerous. Yes. It can be dangerous to the person participating in it. And then those folks can, Robes, and have shown to have particular tendencies.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: And they can inspire people.
00:29:16
Speaker 3: This is a vulnerable group of people who feel marginalized, who feel powerless. Now you've got someone who does something that... That makes a name for themselves and suddenly they get an idea or they want to do it too. There were at least two other shootings that were directly tied to the Santa Barbara shooting and they referred to Roger. Like they said, I'm going to pull an ER one of these days.
00:29:39
Speaker 4: That's positive.
00:29:40
Speaker 3: Of what is happening sometimes in these incel chat rooms. And yes, there was one in Toronto and one in Tallahassee that were directly tied back to this, uh, Elliot Roger rampage.
00:29:52
Speaker 4: And so yes, they can.
00:29:54
Speaker 3: Actually specifically tie two more shootings to that one.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: So, folks, have it on your radar, and I know a lot of the news coverage is, hey, there's a looks-maxer. He's been arrested and charged with rape, and you go, ooh, ooh, some pretty boy. This is a whole new world that I do not understand fully, but it is worth digging into a little more than just one guy.
00:30:21
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:30:23
Speaker 1: One influencer robes. It's a lot more to it than that.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: And unfortunately for people who do follow him, again, he's posting like crazy online as of this recording. He claims, his attorney claims, he hasn't been served with any papers yet. So he's not behind bars. He's not in any sort of custody right now. I don't really understand that part of the story, but he is posting, defending himself, much like the Tate brothers.
00:30:48
Speaker 4: It's all lies.
00:30:49
Speaker 3: People don't like our message. They're making it up. They're creating charges that are false and unfair. So it's the same drumbeat. It's the same mantra that they're against us because they don't like what we're doing. They don't like how powerful we've become.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: But hey, at the same time, he believes he's a 100% innocent man, and he is right now in.
00:31:11
Speaker 1: The eyes of our justice system, Robes.
00:31:13
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to make sure we got on the record and put this one on your radar, folks. We always appreciate you spending some time with us.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: I'm TJ. That's Robes. We'll see you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, and a lot of y'all have heard the story by now.
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Speaker 2: Prominent looks-maxing influencer has been charged with rape.
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Speaker 1: Folks, that is just the beginning of this story.
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Speaker 2: And with that, welcome. I'm TJ, that's Robes, and we are learning a lot here. Robes, we're learning a lot because, first of all, I wasn't sure what looks-maxing was, and I certainly wasn't sure exactly who clavicular... I didn't know what exactly. Seen his name in some headlines. But Robes, that's just scratching the surface of this story. What's blown your mind away most that you have learned about this subculture in reading up on this story?
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Speaker 3: First of all, just that it exists, first of all and foremost. But it seems on its face to be about looks. Obviously, looks maxing.
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Speaker 4: So you think, okay, these are just some vain.
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Speaker 3: kids who are trying to look hot to get women, right?
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Speaker 4: But it is so much more than that.
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Speaker 3: It is so much more deviant and scary and frightening than that. And the fact that there's this whole subculture that is actually linked back to school shooters, the connections with violence, with misogyny, with racism, with eugenics, white supremacy. I mean, this is so much more than it appears on the face of it. And If you don't know, which we weren't that aware of it, we need to be aware because this is something that should be on everyone's radar.
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Speaker 2: I was quick to be dismissive because it's almost funny and cute to the point of ridiculousness. Some dude who actually calls himself clavicular. Like even that idea, like these nuts doing their thing online, whatever, fine. The idea of look-smaxing, it does sound vain. So, okay, there's guys out there. There's a couple of guys who are, a couple of guys. There's a community of guys who are into how they look. That was my extent of it, babe.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a playful thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh, those guys, maybe it's not my thing, but they're into how they look to an extreme.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought that was it. I thought that's all looks max.
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Speaker 3: I figured the harm was done to themselves, to their own body, that they weren't necessarily doing harm to others or had no intent of harming others.
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Speaker 4: I was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Uh, yes, we were wrong.
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Speaker 2: So, uh, folks, first of all, this 20 year old, uh, clavicular, uh, he has gained quite a following online robes and he has been at this for many, many years. But at this point at this looks maxing thing, but just here recently, uh, A lot of you may have seen the news. His name is everywhere because he has been charged with rape for an incident that allegedly took place at his family home in Massachusetts last year. And we'll get into some of these details, but it has to do with a 17-year-old girl. The charge includes supplying alcohol to someone under the age and rape robes.
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Speaker 1: And this is a young.
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Speaker 2: Lady who at least according to her, she was too drunk to even try to give consent. So that is, by definition, a sexual assault.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And his real name, by the way, is Braden Peters. You mentioned he's 20 years old. And yes, he is from New Jersey. And he starts talking about... Across the river, right? Yeah, across the river from Hoboken, right? As a teen, I believe at the age of 14. Granted, that was only six years ago, the fact that he's 20. But Started injecting himself with steroids that he got online, basically. Fat dissolvers. Trying to change the way he looked because he felt like he wasn't physically attractive to the opposite sex.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Robes, you said he was 14. It was only six years ago.
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Speaker 2: True. But the thing of that to me is that a 14-year-old got into this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, what is happening online? What a lot of these... communities and subcultures.
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Speaker 2: He got into what a 14-year-old is buying fat dissolvers and steroids because at that point, at 14, he was so, I guess, unhappy with the way he looked that he wanted to become something else. And I guess we have options out there that will help you do that.
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Speaker 3: What's sad is at 14 and you're a boy, you haven't even gone through puberty yet. So what they're doing to their bodies and the permanent damage and changes that they're making. And it goes beyond just steroids, testosterone, fat dissolvers. There are actually hammers involved where they actually crush their own bones, their own facial bones to try and change how their faces look.
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Speaker 4: This is beyond scary.
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Speaker 2: Um, this is, he is now the face of, and I guess some people would tell you he's the pretty face of, and he will tell you he's the pretty face of, he is the most prominent person out there in this looks maxing culture. And it's not safe. It's not cute. It's not vain. Um, part of it, yes, robes has to do with hygiene.
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Speaker 3: Hygiene.
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Speaker 1: A nice haircut. These are the products you should use. Even makeup. You could throw that in there. Ropes, that's different.
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Speaker 4: That's benign.
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Speaker 1: But I thought that's what it was.
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Speaker 4: So did I.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was looks. You're into yourself.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Yep.
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Speaker 1: I thought that's all.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was like tan maxing or, you know, they've got all these other little cute names on TikTok for doing things, perhaps to the extreme, but all in good fun to try and look better, look chic or have a better Instagram selfie.
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Speaker 4: That is what we thought the extent of it was.
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Speaker 2: But no, to your point, yes, looks maxing, it does include all that stuff. But another element of it has to do with the extremes. Rogues has to do with injecting your face with certain non-FDA approved chemicals. It has to do with two, I guess the most dramatic thing they talk about, Robes, is literally changing the structure of your face and not through, as you just described. And Robes, it's hard to imagine anybody doing this to himself. But changing your face structure, not by going to a doctor, but by breaking your own bones. You break the bones in your face and they've said folks have used hammers to do so And then what.
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Speaker 1: Robes are supposed to.
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Speaker 4: Chisel your face.
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Speaker 1: And it grows back like that?
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know, but the fact that they're experimenting on their faces, that are still growing, by the way, as young teens, and how would you even know? Like, a plastic surgeon wouldn't do that. I mean, I can't even get into how much that gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Speaker 2: So this guy, clavicular, Brayden Peters, is the face of that He has been doing this stuff to himself for years, Robes, and the name clavicular even has to do, they put so much emphasis on the clavicle. And if you have a longer one or wider one, you're better looking because then you have the potential, right, to get that Adonis shape with a wide clavicle.
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Speaker 1: And that's why he calls himself clavicular based on that. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And if you see his body, he posts these pictures where he actually looks like a human triangle reversed. I mean, he looks like an elite swimmer, almost, the way he's created.
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Speaker 4: This body that he has.
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Speaker 1: He still looks like a kid to me.
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Speaker 4: But he does.
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Speaker 3: He has this baby face, and then he has this body. I don't know how he did it exactly. I mean, he goes through some of this stuff, but it doesn't look natural.
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Speaker 2: Because it's not, Rose. He's been talked about at times he had in his past.
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Speaker 1: He has used meth as an appetite suppressant. Matt, that's an extreme.
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Speaker 2: That's not I'm just doing drugs because I want to get high. Robes, everything is in line with and for the purpose of improving your looks.
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Speaker 3: Ooh.
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Speaker 1: Is that.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, we said he has a baby face and pretty boy this and that. Well, these charges and this accusation is pretty heinous, Robes. This is a young lady, and it sounds like a lot of young women follow him around, are willing to do a lot of stuff because they want to build their own social media presence. platforms and their own profiles and he has some online clout so this young lady at least the way the story goes from last year 17 years old sounded like she was in pursuit of some of that she was happy to be a part of his.
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Speaker 3: Life yes she actually said when she told police and the police report that she went to his home willingly on cape cod she mentioned his grandmother and his mother were there and she was going to do this live stream willingly with him because yeah she was trying to Increase her social media following because she, too, was a budding influencer and that he she claims forced him forced her, excuse me, to drink vodka, but say it was water and say she was 18 on camera when she was actually 17. And so then he claimed she claims that he then had sex with her. when the live stream finished, correct, and that she woke up the next morning with him on top of her having sex with her again.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so again, this is a young lady, all of this. She did not give consent, and by definition, by rule, that is considered a sexual assault. This is the same young lady who filed a lawsuit against him down in Florida. That had to do initially, Rose, with him injecting something in her face against her.
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Speaker 3: And this took place reportedly after the alleged rape that she met up with him again in Miami.
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Speaker 4: And because she was with some of.
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Speaker 3: Her girlfriends and there was a group of folks, she said she felt safe and still saw the opportunity to, again, increase her social media influences. So he convinced her, she claims, to allow him to inject fat-dissolving, some sort of fat-dissolving substance into her face, which she said left marks on her face, and did this all on a live stream?
00:10:32
Speaker 1: What happens there, Robes? You know his attorney is going to and already has attacked that. But what does that do?
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Speaker 2: We see so many of these cases where the first thing, well, if he raped you, if this was your... assault her, why would you go to have drinks with him again? Why would you go interact with him again? Why would you send him that email or have a nice message?
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Speaker 3: Well, and to that point, Clavicular has already, as of this recording just a few hours ago, in his own defense, posting her texts to him that would have occurred after this alleged rape, saying basically that she likes him and she's not going to lie. And she was kind of fishing around to see if they could hang. doesn't have to be on social media, just private. And in his, what he put up there, his text back was like, I'm kind of busy right now. So his claim is, I rejected her, she's angry, and this is her revenge. And that is how he is shaping this.
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Speaker 1: Haven't we seen that plenty of times before?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: But then this is what happens now, Robes, is she is going to get attacked, certainly by his attorney, but by who else in the public who will not believe her, who will not say her story is legit because she wanted something. Why does she keep coming back? You weren't scared of him if you actually think he raped you. This story, we hear it so often, and what do we end up doing with it, Robes? Because right now, this young lady did want something from him, did she not?
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Speaker 3: She did, and she even told police that she was willing to be in his presence, willing to go back to his room with him, because she was hoping to increase her social media influence for sure. And she admits that, but she claims she did not give consent. She was served alcohol under age and that she did not give consent because we should point out. And they've pointed out when I say they, his team, that the age of consent in the state of Massachusetts is 16. So whether she said she was 18 when she was 17 or not, they're claiming it's not against the law.
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Speaker 4: To have sex with someone who is 16 years old. However, she claims she.
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Speaker 3: Did not give consent and could not give consent because she was intoxicated, heavily intoxicated.
00:12:50
Speaker 1: What's that fight, that legal fight?
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Speaker 4: That's a tough one, though. Anyone knows.
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Speaker 3: And look, if the DA has chosen to pursue charges, they must feel like this is something they could potentially win. Because I believe it's pretty well documented and anyone in law enforcement or in a prosecutor's office will tell you that this exact type of crime is one of the most difficult to prosecute because it boils down to he said, she said. So Robes, this.
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Speaker 1: Guy, I don't, We don't know him.
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Speaker 2: And right now he's an innocent man until otherwise proven by or convicted, unsaid by a jury.
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Speaker 1: But Robes, I don't, like I was dismissive.
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Speaker 2: Let's take for a second the rape allegation off the table and let's just stick with looks maxing and this guy. This is dangerous and it's scary the way that we have now looked into it because it's tied to a subculture of men misogynistic guys who actually blame women for their problems in the world, for them not being able to get dates, for them not being successful, and so on and so forth, Robes. This is not just some silly ha-ha trend. People are coming up into this subculture from another sub-subculture, Robes, Of pretty terrifying characters. Do you have that line in front of you? You gave me a line earlier about people think these guys think it's reverse.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: What was that line?
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Speaker 4: It's reverse rape. So incel is incels, right? This is this group. Have you ever heard of incels? I had not. You asked me this morning if I had. Nope.
00:14:45
Speaker 1: You Google it.
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Speaker 4: Anyone listening right now or watching right now, please.
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Speaker 3: Google incels and it's going to scare the heck out of you. Especially I would argue if you're a woman or have a daughter, because if this is happening, this movement is growing and now we're calling it looks maxing. But if it's based in this incel ideology, here's what it is. They believe this is the theme of incels that the current sexual marketplace gives women too much freedom to to choose their own partners. And they say that the men that they choose aren't incels. And so they believe they're being deprived of their sexual birthright. So they're saying that women who deny.
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Speaker 4: Sexual birthright.
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Speaker 3: Yes. So women who are denying these men sex, it's a form of, and they are committing what they deem reverse rape. And they say reverse rape is just as dangerous and just as harmful as actual rape. So a woman who says, I don't want to have sex with you because I'm not physically attracted to you, that's reverse rape. And it does damage and harm. And it's just as bad as real rape. That is what they believe. So their rejection, instead of saying.
00:16:07
Speaker 3: That's her right not to be sexually attracted to me, not to want to have sex.
00:16:11
Speaker 4: No. They're committing an act against you.
00:16:15
Speaker 1: Because the man has the right.
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Speaker 4: You're a victim if you are denied sex by a woman. Isn't that scary?
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Speaker 2: And if you all don't believe what she just said, like, Google it. I had no idea. In the cell is a combination of two words. Involuntarily celibate. involuntarily celibate. They're saying here they want to be having sex.
00:16:43
Speaker 4: But they're being denied the right, their birthright, by women.
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Speaker 2: So, how do we get from there to looks maxing? Because those guys, there are some of those guys who just rage online. They have these communities like secret little places and chat rooms and websites they go to and hashtags they use because a lot of Social media companies have been cutting down on this type of behavior.
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Speaker 1: It's misogynistic. And yes, it's warped or very close to violence.
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Speaker 3: I was going to say, isn't it inciting violence or encouraging violence?
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Speaker 2: And it has been connected to a very violent couple of events. We'll tell you about that in just a second. But robes, if you have this angry group of guys, they're mad at women. A lot of them stay in that. A lot of them act out. A lot of them continue to talk this way. But then some of them graduate. They graduate to this next subculture into where they say, you know what? I am not going to stick around down there with the losers who can't get a girl. I am going to do the thing that is necessary to get money, to get power, to get women.
00:17:55
Speaker 1: I need to be good looking.
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Speaker 4: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: Because the incels believe that 80% of women will only date the top 20% of men who look.
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Speaker 4: A certain way.
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Speaker 3: So they will only lavish their attention or give sex to men who are either extremely good looking or extremely wealthy. And so that leaves the remaining 80% of men, including incels, without a partner because us women will only have sex with the top 20% of men who are the rich, hot ones.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and they don't take this out on the men.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: They don't direct it towards those successful guys. No, no, no, no, no. It's the women.
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Speaker 2: So incels might stay down there in that sub-subculture doing this thing and in their chat rooms, but some graduate out roads and they start doing what Braden Peters started to do when he was 14 and not feeling like he was good-looking enough. he started messing with his appearance. He started robes to change everything about him, and he thinks that leads to success. So now, if you have the look-smaxers, robes, we have guys with the same mentality, the same mindset and thought about women, about looks. They're the same dangerous mindset, a lot of them, and that part makes look-smaxing not something that's cute. It's not cute. It's not funny. And I did not realize Robes until we did this deep dive of what we're dealing with and what we're talking about. And some of the accusations, he's an innocent man. But Robes, he spends time going around, a lot of his success, judging. He goes out live on the street, judges a woman head to toe in how she looks.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: Does this thing called mogging. You see that?
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Speaker 2: Where he literally just walks up to another random man on the street and stands next to him to show by comparison how unattractive that man is. Robes, there is some mean, vile stuff connected to what sounds like this fun, looks-maxing trend. Uh-uh, we need to pay a little bit of attention to this.
00:20:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, he likes to use the N-word.
00:20:12
Speaker 1: That has been a part of his thing as well.
00:20:15
Speaker 4: You can't be black and be a looks-maxer?
00:20:18
Speaker 2: No, it's been connected, and that's another part. We haven't even talked about robes. The controversy is tied to what?
00:20:24
Speaker 1: Eugenics.
00:20:25
Speaker 2: The idea that there is a perfect and ideal or a preferred appearance.
00:20:31
Speaker 4: White supremacy?
00:20:32
Speaker 1: And it ain't black skin. It is black. Not.
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Speaker 3: I believe in Miami, wasn't he seen dancing to Ye's Heil Hitler song?
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Speaker 4: He unabashedly.
00:20:42
Speaker 1: Which Tate brother was he with? It was him?
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Speaker 2: One of the.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
00:20:45
Speaker 1: I can't remember which Tate brother. And the right wing guy. They were together. Oh, God.
00:20:50
Speaker 3: They're all in the same group. They're all in the same mindset. And they're all now accused of the same type of criminal behavior.
00:20:59
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
00:21:00
Speaker 1: The manosphere. All this stuff is connected to the manosphere.
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Speaker 3: Ropes.
00:21:07
Speaker 1: I did, babe.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: I thought, I don't know, some 22-year-old guy is following and he's got a whole hair and a beauty routine.
00:21:16
Speaker 4: Babe, that's what I thought it was too.
00:21:17
Speaker 1: I really thought it was that. The best haircut, maybe trying to work out.
00:21:21
Speaker 4: I thought it was like gym tan, like that kind of a thing.
00:21:24
Speaker 3: The Jersey Shore guys kind of started it with how to look good for the girls.
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Speaker 4: That is what I 100% thought it was. The Jersey Shore guys. That's what I thought looks good.
00:21:34
Speaker 3: Maxing was like i get it go to the gym work out don't eat carbs uh tan you know wear whatever i mean the tightest t-shirt you can find to show off your pecs okay yes that's what i thought looks maxing was and.
00:21:48
Speaker 1: Those guys you can smile at.
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Speaker 3: They're fun you can laugh they're sweet they like women then you don't think anything no ill of it it's just it is not that.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: It's not that. What do we do with it now, Rogues, when we hear about looks maxing? Because there are plenty of people who are running to this guy's defense.
00:22:16
Speaker 4: They don't want to be a victim anymore.
00:22:18
Speaker 3: And isn't it so much easier instead of when you're rejected, instead of saying, you know, maybe I can improve myself or be the best version of myself. No, it goes to another extreme of blaming the woman for not wanting you. and for denying you what you're owed and due, which is sexual pleasure, and then going to extreme measures to look super hot. But it's not to find a partner or to ride off into the sunset with a woman.
00:22:48
Speaker 4: No, it's to control women. It's to be in charge.
00:22:51
Speaker 3: It's to tell everyone else what to do so that you're no longer, not just not a victim, but that you are now in power.
00:23:00
Speaker 4: And it's scary.
00:23:01
Speaker 3: This is not this is not changing for the better or changing.
00:23:07
Speaker 4: To look good or to, like I said, look for a wife. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is about power.
00:23:14
Speaker 3: And it almost feels like it's about revenge, revenge against every woman who turned you down. And now every woman you're going to meet is going to pay the price for how that made you feel.
00:23:26
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how, why the influence is here. Um, But we talk about the Tate brothers. We have a guy like this. Robes, what are young men going to be here in the next five, ten years? Do we have guys coming up, thinking this way, following this stuff, and getting in their minds that women are possessions, women are not partners, that you have a right to this, this, or this?
00:23:56
Speaker 1: I mean, this is... How is that going to show up?
00:24:00
Speaker 3: Well, I think you see this in the most vulnerable of men or young boys even at this point who feel powerless, who feel like they don't have a voice. And suddenly someone's telling them, I'll give you a voice.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: I'll give you power. And by the way, it's not your fault. It's her fault.
00:24:19
Speaker 3: And if you can blame someone else for how you feel, that is so intoxicating.
00:24:26
Speaker 4: And that is what is going on.
00:24:28
Speaker 2: Babe, did you realize? I don't know if you meant to do that. You just described politics. You just described political or presidential campaigns. You tell somebody it's their fault that you're having the problem you're having.
00:24:41
Speaker 3: And you demonize the other people. You lift up this group of folks who feel marginalized. And oftentimes you do see, I mean, who are the school shooters? And we'll get to the school shooting ties. But they are usually.
00:24:55
Speaker 3: Young, white, angry teenagers who feel like they've been bullied or not included.
00:25:04
Speaker 4: They feel alone.
00:25:06
Speaker 3: You mentioned loners, but it's because they feel isolated. They don't feel like they belong. And this group of men, these looks maxers or these incels, make them feel like they belong, make them feel like they're not alone, but for all the wrong reasons.
00:25:20
Speaker 4: And yes, the common.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: Enemy thing is exactly what People do who want to manipulate others.
00:25:27
Speaker 4: And make them feel like they're powerful.
00:25:29
Speaker 2: And the looks maxers and incels. Looks maxers will actually get offended if you associate them with incels.
00:25:37
Speaker 3: Really?
00:25:38
Speaker 1: Because.
00:25:38
Speaker 4: They're no longer incels. They've graduated.
00:25:41
Speaker 2: They're losers down there. But the culture of looks maxing certainly came from that. Clavicular in particular.
00:25:48
Speaker 1: Walked out. Did I just rhyme and not mean to? Clavicular in particular. I didn't mean to do that.
00:25:54
Speaker 4: You did. You were a poet and didn't know it.
00:25:56
Speaker 2: I can't believe that didn't come out before now. But yes, he did an interview with 60 Minutes Australia, walked out of it when they came up to the incel questions.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:26:08
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: Tone changed.
00:26:09
Speaker 4: Touched a nerve. Trigger.
00:26:11
Speaker 2: Tone changed. Mood changed. And really the only thing he gave was incels. Why would I want to be any part of that?
00:26:18
Speaker 1: I'm out of that. I get the girls. Like he immediately... You see his tone change.
00:26:23
Speaker 2: You learn so much about him in this little 15-second clip that I'm going to make sure I show it to you. And you're going to go, oh, wow, I wish I had seen that before we recorded the episode. You get a feel for him.
00:26:33
Speaker 4: You just hit a nerve, and there's a reason why.
00:26:35
Speaker 3: Because that's where his insecurity, all of this is born from insecurity. Now you just called out the insecurity, and it's exposed now. and anger comes out, or defensiveness comes out. That is what a trigger is, and that tells you all you need to know about him.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: But we've mentioned Roves, and folks might think it was a stretch to connect this to any violence, real-world violence, or to think anything like looks-maxing could result in violence. But Roves and a lot of people, I know you will remember it, a shooting in 2014. Now, I don't remember incel being associated with this guy, but it absolutely was. 2014, this guy was angry, Rose, we remember, because he couldn't get a girl. This guy in that shooting in 2014 at UC Santa Barbara, Elliot Roger, killed six people, injured another 14 in a shooting. He had long writings and manifestos online, and in particular, Rose, He was a part of this incel community to the point he was even applauded in some of these subcultures and saying, hell yeah, look at what they do to you. Look at what they force you into. Look at what they push you to do. Robes, that guy was directly associated with.
00:28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, he posted that manifesto and a video, correct? Right before he went out on his shooting rampage. But yes, he blamed women for his unhappiness. He referred to himself as the supreme gentleman. And yeah, he absolutely then unfortunately inspired other men in this incel group because they're like, look at him. He went out with a bang. He He made his point known. He exacted his revenge. But yes, it's about creating this idea of women being the common enemy.
00:28:39
Speaker 1: We are not.
00:28:42
Speaker 2: No one should ever make a suggestion that just because somebody is a follower of clavicular that they're going to end up taking out any violence on anybody.
00:28:54
Speaker 1: Or sexually assaulting anybody. No.
00:28:57
Speaker 2: But what we are saying and what plenty have pointed out, Robes, is that these subcultures can be dangerous. Yes. It can be dangerous to the person participating in it. And then those folks can, Robes, and have shown to have particular tendencies.
00:29:13
Speaker 4: And they can inspire people.
00:29:16
Speaker 3: This is a vulnerable group of people who feel marginalized, who feel powerless. Now you've got someone who does something that... That makes a name for themselves and suddenly they get an idea or they want to do it too. There were at least two other shootings that were directly tied to the Santa Barbara shooting and they referred to Roger. Like they said, I'm going to pull an ER one of these days.
00:29:39
Speaker 4: That's positive.
00:29:40
Speaker 3: Of what is happening sometimes in these incel chat rooms. And yes, there was one in Toronto and one in Tallahassee that were directly tied back to this, uh, Elliot Roger rampage.
00:29:52
Speaker 4: And so yes, they can.
00:29:54
Speaker 3: Actually specifically tie two more shootings to that one.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: So, folks, have it on your radar, and I know a lot of the news coverage is, hey, there's a looks-maxer. He's been arrested and charged with rape, and you go, ooh, ooh, some pretty boy. This is a whole new world that I do not understand fully, but it is worth digging into a little more than just one guy.
00:30:21
Speaker 3: Okay.
00:30:23
Speaker 1: One influencer robes. It's a lot more to it than that.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: And unfortunately for people who do follow him, again, he's posting like crazy online as of this recording. He claims, his attorney claims, he hasn't been served with any papers yet. So he's not behind bars. He's not in any sort of custody right now. I don't really understand that part of the story, but he is posting, defending himself, much like the Tate brothers.
00:30:48
Speaker 4: It's all lies.
00:30:49
Speaker 3: People don't like our message. They're making it up. They're creating charges that are false and unfair. So it's the same drumbeat. It's the same mantra that they're against us because they don't like what we're doing. They don't like how powerful we've become.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: But hey, at the same time, he believes he's a 100% innocent man, and he is right now in.
00:31:11
Speaker 1: The eyes of our justice system, Robes.
00:31:13
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to make sure we got on the record and put this one on your radar, folks. We always appreciate you spending some time with us.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: I'm TJ. That's Robes. We'll see you soon.