Sept. 28, 2026
Lindsay Clancy Holdout Juror’s Attorney Says Kevin Reddington Has “Lost His Mind”
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RSS Feed The attorney for the lone holdout juror in Lindsay Clancy’s murder trial is defending his client, saying Michael Desronvil had zero doubt about his decision and has “a mountain of evidence” to back up his decision. Edward Paltzik also had a message for Clancy’s attorney, Kevin Reddington “and to the deranged individuals who think that the murder of three innocent children is okay: You will never break Michael, because Michael is indestructible." Paltzik is speaking the day before Reddington goes to court to ask for a formal investigation into the holdout juror, calling him an “obstructionist” juror.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September 28th, and we have become accustomed to hearing Lindsay Clancy's attorney do a lot of talking. Well, the attorney for the holdout juror was doing a lot of talking this morning, and he had some choice words for Mr. Reddington. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Well, this is maybe the most extensive interview we've seen with the representative for the holdout juror. Robes, is it fair to say his focus was Kevin Reddington?
00:00:32
Speaker 2: His focus was Kevin Reddington.
00:00:34
Speaker 3: Yes, he gave us an update on the holdout juror saying that he has not gone into hiding and he's continuing with his job and he's doing well. So we got a lot of information about him. But yes, the headline-grabbing... sound bites that he was giving were all directed at taking aim at Kevin Reddington.
00:00:55
Speaker 1: Some of it sounded personal. You know what he was given? He was returning probably the same type of fire that it feels like Kevin Reddington is given, where it seems, yes, there are passions, there are egos. We are talking about attorneys here. We're talking about cameras and reputations and all this stuff. But, Robe, this seems like this... It seemed... I don't know, babe. It's one thing to be defending your client, which this attorney is doing with the juror. But Rove, it seemed like this is a battle now of attorneys versus even the case to a certain degree. I don't know. I get what he's doing, but some of it, I don't like the direction this is going. Yes.
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Speaker 3: And it's like now we're hearing that potentially he wants to disbar Kevin Reddington. This is Edward Palczyk, by the way. And we've been hearing Kevin refer to him as Ed. Like they are exchanging barbs. with whatever member of the media puts a microphone in front of them. So, yes, it does seem personal.
00:01:54
Speaker 1: I don't think there was name-calling necessarily in here, but there were descriptive words that were certainly tossed Kevin Reddington's way. So this interview coming to us from Fox News had a long sit-down, and they aired about 20 minutes of it, so I assume it was much longer, but this was an extensive interview. So this attorney... Robes starts with and going after Kevin Reddington. And again, I don't know how they edited it, but not a lot of talk initially was about Michael Desronville, which is the juror's name, how he's doing and the decision he made. Yes, he was asked about it, but the attorney immediately took a turn to Kevin Reddington.
00:02:39
Speaker 3: Yes, because we know that Kevin Ruddington has filed a motion and he is looking to have.
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Speaker 2: This juror investigated.
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Speaker 3: And so he is alleging that the juror may have actually committed a crime, correct?
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Speaker 2: Perjury, etc.
00:02:53
Speaker 3: And so he goes off on Kevin Ruddington saying that is the most outrageous thing I have ever heard in almost 20 years of practicing law.
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Speaker 2: It is categorically false.
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Speaker 1: Now, strong words there, but I thought it at the time, Rose, before we had any idea who this juror was. We thought it was extraordinary that during the trial that this person is being attacked, attacked by the jurors and attacked by the attorney. And Robes, this continues that type of defense and shock. And a lot of people were. We weren't alone. I'm saying in this attorney is saying it's something. Yes, maybe it's hyperbole, maybe. But still, it's saying you're accusing him of a crime during the trial.
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Speaker 3: That's a scary prospect for anyone. Look, jury duty is already difficult. You don't get paid. You got to take time off of your life, your work, your job. Now, if you don't, if you don't agree with the rest of the jurors, or if you have a different opinion, you could be singled out and called out and attacked and doxed and threatened.
00:03:56
Speaker 2: This is scary stuff.
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Speaker 1: You just said it in a different way that made me think that most trials aren't going to be televised, my profile like this. But if you see a jury summons, like holy hell, one of these attorneys is going to start digging into my background and see all those parking tickets I had if I don't vote the right way. Robes, that's what we're talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I got accused of anything, doing anything to anyone at any point in my life, forget it. Forget whether or not I've been convicted of a crime, but if I've ever even had anyone say I did something, that's going to come back to haunt me.
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Speaker 2: This is frightening stuff.
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Speaker 1: That's true. Now, more from this attorney this morning saying that Kevin Reddington is clearly attacking the right of trial by jury. Kevin Reddington is off the rails. It was astonishing. It was horrifying. It was beyond the pale. He got pretty consistent in his theme of saying that what we're seeing from Kevin Reddington is not okay, not just defending your client. This is actually stuff that goes outside of what lawyers should be doing.
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Speaker 3: I feel like he's basically been describing Kevin Reddington as unhinged. That's the person he's describing. And he went on to talk about Kevin Reddington's behavior. He said, I believe Kevin Reddington, ever since the moment he learned that Michael was not going to side with him, I believe that Kevin Reddington lost his mind.
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Speaker 2: He went on to say that he's upset that he lost out on his legacy moment.
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Speaker 3: He was one vote from winning a trial that would have been a capstone of his career, and he didn't get it, and he lost his mind because of it.
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Speaker 1: This is where it gets a little personal. Maybe, is there something to that? I don't know if he knows this man at all, but he's making a direct accusation that this is personal for Kevin Reddington. This ain't got nothing to do with Clancy. This is ego. His behavior after the fact is all his ego that he lost and he can't take it. And it's causing him to act irrationally.
00:05:56
Speaker 3: And look, it's wild because obviously Kevin Reddington was aware that Ed had sat down with Fox News.
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Speaker 2: And so even before this interview came out in its totality.
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Speaker 3: he went and told Fox News, this is Kevin Reddington, I think Ed ought to learn how to go into the courtroom and articulate his position rather than the histrionic individual that's just mouthing off for the media.
00:06:19
Speaker 1: Okay, I get it, and the back and forth is going on, but Robes, I don't like that they're calling him an obstructionist. That's Kevin Reddington calling a juror an obstructionist juror because you don't like Like, are we really going to do that? Robes, if they say, hey, we are going to dig into the criminal backgrounds of every single person on this jury, we're going to pull every single questionnaire and go through every answer they gave and make sure it matches. If they tell me they're going to do it to everybody, I'll ask a question, but I'll say, fine, you're treating them equally. Robes, this isn't right.
00:06:57
Speaker 2: They're singling him out. This isn't right.
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Speaker 3: To that point, Edward Palczyk, this is, again, the attorney for the holdout juror, This is exactly what you are alluding to. He said what Kevin Reddington is doing here is setting a nightmarish precedent. And what would happen next time if it's the district attorney that didn't get his way?
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Speaker 2: That's frightening.
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Speaker 1: Yes. What if this is the district attorney? You are, what, one vote away from being possibly acquitted? What if you're one vote away? What if it's going in your favor and the district attorney has one person in there that they're pissed at? Nah, I'm going to attack that person to make sure you get convicted. What?
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: If you reverse it, it's very... It makes it all the more... Terrifying. You recognize why it's not okay.
00:07:50
Speaker 1: Like, oh, the prosecutor didn't get to convict me, but they got one person in the jury they think they can turn, so let's attack that person, get them kicked off. We wouldn't have that.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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Speaker 3: And look, he did say that he plans to, as Kevin Reddington said, hey, start arguing this in court. Well, he intends to do that. He said he was asked, do you intend to file a bar complaint? His answer was quick and... And it was, sure, he said 100%. He said, you've sworn to defend the Constitution and you get out there right after the trial and attack a juror and continue to attack the juror.
00:08:28
Speaker 2: Outside the courtroom, inside the courtroom, everywhere. Kevin Reddington is not behaving rationally anymore. This is nuts.
00:08:37
Speaker 1: Gross. They want him disbarred. Kevin Reddington is going to get, according to the lawyer, a... bar complaint based on what we saw him do in what is the trial of the year wow argue broke to disbarred for his behavior that's not a small thing what's he now you looked it up 70 what.
00:08:58
Speaker 3: Oh yeah i think he's 75 76 oh so not even early 70s right and that.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Was this this was uh this was the holdout.
00:09:06
Speaker 3: Jurors uh attorney's point he said this would have been his swan song this would have been Basically a cap.
00:09:12
Speaker 2: How did he put it?
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Speaker 1: A capstone.
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Speaker 3: A capstone on a long career. This would have been the win he could have hung his hat on. And he wanted it so bad and he didn't get it.
00:09:23
Speaker 1: I don't know what he knows about Kevin Reddington. And that might be a mean or completely made up thing, accusation to make. But I could also see it. So much of the passion we saw, though, Robes, was not about him wanting a win or a capstone in a career. A lot of people gave him credit for, look at how much he is passionately defending Lindsay Clancy.
00:09:46
Speaker 2: Yes, and bringing up.
00:09:50
Speaker 3: This idea that we need to take women's mental health more seriously, certainly postpartum mental health more seriously, and that this was the system that failed her. It wasn't that she... necessarily is responsible for it. It's that the folks around her who saw she was suffering, who knew she had a mental health condition, they're the reasons why it ended in the murders of three young children.
00:10:11
Speaker 1: He is applauding. I mean, Kevin Reddington was celebrated, right, as this champion. Yes. And I think a lot of parts of the trial, you could argue that. And Robes, we were complimentary as hell of Kevin Reddington throughout his performance. Just was. Passion. Performance, even. Robes and how he went about it. When he started attacking this juror, I think Tones, at least ours did, like, what is happening here? It didn't feel right. It didn't feel good.
00:10:39
Speaker 2: It was disappointing.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: It was, and this shouldn't be the way the system is because we're fighting so hard over this and we disagree so much about what should have happened to this lady. But the attorney wasn't done. Stay here. We'll let you hear the update about his client. Yes, the holdout juror updates about where he is, what he's doing, if he's working, and also how his faith played into his decision-making in that deliberation room.
00:11:14
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ.
00:11:16
Speaker 3: We just heard Edward Palczyk, the attorney for the holdout juror Michael Desronville, sit down with Fox and go through a very detailed reasoning why he thinks Kevin Reddington has lost his mind, why he's going to be filing a bar complaint against the attorney. But he also shed some light on how Michael Desronville is doing now that he's been outed, and he did... out himself in a sense. We know that Kevin Reddington kept referring to him as a he. There were only three men on the jury, but Michael did step forward and he is reiterating that Michael had zero doubt. This whole notion that, and this whole reason why we're going to have a hearing on Tuesday is to say that he somehow perjured himself or he He had reasonable doubt and he still refused to go along with the rest of the jurors. No, his attorney is saying he had zero doubt that that was mischaracterized.
00:12:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you said a second, baby, who who was the first? I mean, he said his name, but who was his name out there? It wasn't before the whole Gayle King thing, right? No, it was the black guy.
00:12:27
Speaker 3: And now we knew it was not only a man. Now we know it's a black man. So he went ahead and said, OK, it's me.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
00:12:34
Speaker 2: Like, let's just, like, cut to the chase.
00:12:35
Speaker 1: You got me.
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Speaker 2: It's me.
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Speaker 1: Twelve people sitting in the jury box.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One black guy.
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be hard to figure out.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: So, look, he talked about his client's decision.
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Speaker 3: He said the reality is that it's 11 to 1 because one brave, heroic man said this is wrong. So he's describing his client as a hero. And, yes, he's been described as a holdout juror. But he took great offense to the fact that he's been called the obstructionist juror.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: And I would too, Robes. That's a, that is PR. You're spreading a word that this guy didn't vote how he wanted to. He actually did something wrong. He did something illegal even in there. And that's why Lindsay Clancy can't get out of prison. That is why she's not getting the help. Robes, that's a PR move. Labeling, labeling people, labeling, labeling. That says something so different. And I think that is so wrong. Robes, the guy made a decision. Whatever his decision is, the damn legal system allows for it. Babe, that's all.
00:13:36
Speaker 2: It's true.
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Speaker 1: Obstructionist juror.
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Speaker 3: Ugh. And to the point where he has been doxxed, his client has been doxxed, they've pulled up, and I'm sure many of you have seen the headlines saying that he had domestic violence charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, and those charges were dropped. He had a nephew also make some allegations against him, but all this stuff is coming up.
00:13:55
Speaker 2: His lawyer said he is the most peaceful man... who is not capable of violence.
00:14:00
Speaker 3: So that some of these allegations were unfairly brought up, dredged up in the media and completely false have never, he's never been convicted. And so his client has certainly suffered solely because he disagreed with the other jurors.
00:14:16
Speaker 1: That's important. He didn't just say, and we hear a lot of lawyers do that. Sometimes my client's never been convicted. He's never, he didn't just say that. He said, these things did not happen. He said, these allegations are actually false that came up. Well, that's, That's a strong statement in defense.
00:14:30
Speaker 2: Yes, and he also went on to talk about how he is a man of God.
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Speaker 3: He said his Catholic faith gives him a strong moral foundation. People have been incited by Kevin Reddington's rhetoric. It is only the fact that Michael is a man of God, a man of faith, who places his faith in Jesus Christ. He said that is how he is getting through. This is how he is surviving because of his faith.
00:14:55
Speaker 1: And I wonder... how much, he was a little careful in how he, but I was wondering how much his Catholic faith played into the decision making. Talk about a moral foundation. You're not supposed to, no, you're not supposed to make a decision based strictly on your faith and not evidence, but I'd like to hear more about how it did play a factor in him making that call because Robes, he calls him a hero. He says he's the only one, what is it here? My message to Kevin Reddington and the deranged individuals who think that the murder of three innocent children is okay, you will never break Michael. I mean, they're just different opinions, deranged individuals who think that the murder of innocent three children was okay. Nobody thinks that.
00:15:35
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that.
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Speaker 1: Nobody. It's just a matter of how responsible. We can't agree on how responsible we think Lindsay Clancy is for those deaths.
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Speaker 3: Yes. And he also went on to say and call Lindsay Clancy demonic. This isn't the first time he said it, but when he started, when he went down that path, the host, Kaylee is her name, correct? She interrupted him because she knew she didn't want to get into any sort of legal trouble.
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Speaker 2: She said, well, she hasn't been convicted of a crime yet.
00:16:01
Speaker 3: But yes, he had some very strong language to describe Lindsay Clancy. And, you know, he, He's not said it once. He said it multiple times. And he and Michael believe that she belongs behind bars.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: And, Roams, I don't know how far we'll go tomorrow in getting an answer. A big day in this case. Lindsay Clancy will be back in court along with the prosecutors, along with her attorney, Kevin Reddington, to take a look at these motions, Roams, about this juror, about a possible mistrial, about possibly defamation. Double Jeopardy. They have a lot to discuss. I don't know how long the thing is going to go tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: It's unclear because, yes, they want an investigation into the juror. They want charges dropped. There are all sorts of asks by the defense. And so we don't know if this is going to be an hour-long hearing, if it's going to be an hours-long hearing, and if we're going to get any sort of ruling or judgment in the matter. So we shall see, but it will be an interesting day in court. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September 28th, and we have become accustomed to hearing Lindsay Clancy's attorney do a lot of talking. Well, the attorney for the holdout juror was doing a lot of talking this morning, and he had some choice words for Mr. Reddington. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Well, this is maybe the most extensive interview we've seen with the representative for the holdout juror. Robes, is it fair to say his focus was Kevin Reddington?
00:00:32
Speaker 2: His focus was Kevin Reddington.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he gave us an update on the holdout juror saying that he has not gone into hiding and he's continuing with his job and he's doing well. So we got a lot of information about him. But yes, the headline-grabbing... sound bites that he was giving were all directed at taking aim at Kevin Reddington.
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Speaker 1: Some of it sounded personal. You know what he was given? He was returning probably the same type of fire that it feels like Kevin Reddington is given, where it seems, yes, there are passions, there are egos. We are talking about attorneys here. We're talking about cameras and reputations and all this stuff. But, Robe, this seems like this... It seemed... I don't know, babe. It's one thing to be defending your client, which this attorney is doing with the juror. But Rove, it seemed like this is a battle now of attorneys versus even the case to a certain degree. I don't know. I get what he's doing, but some of it, I don't like the direction this is going. Yes.
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Speaker 3: And it's like now we're hearing that potentially he wants to disbar Kevin Reddington. This is Edward Palczyk, by the way. And we've been hearing Kevin refer to him as Ed. Like they are exchanging barbs. with whatever member of the media puts a microphone in front of them. So, yes, it does seem personal.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there was name-calling necessarily in here, but there were descriptive words that were certainly tossed Kevin Reddington's way. So this interview coming to us from Fox News had a long sit-down, and they aired about 20 minutes of it, so I assume it was much longer, but this was an extensive interview. So this attorney... Robes starts with and going after Kevin Reddington. And again, I don't know how they edited it, but not a lot of talk initially was about Michael Desronville, which is the juror's name, how he's doing and the decision he made. Yes, he was asked about it, but the attorney immediately took a turn to Kevin Reddington.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because we know that Kevin Ruddington has filed a motion and he is looking to have.
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Speaker 2: This juror investigated.
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Speaker 3: And so he is alleging that the juror may have actually committed a crime, correct?
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Speaker 2: Perjury, etc.
00:02:53
Speaker 3: And so he goes off on Kevin Ruddington saying that is the most outrageous thing I have ever heard in almost 20 years of practicing law.
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Speaker 2: It is categorically false.
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Speaker 1: Now, strong words there, but I thought it at the time, Rose, before we had any idea who this juror was. We thought it was extraordinary that during the trial that this person is being attacked, attacked by the jurors and attacked by the attorney. And Robes, this continues that type of defense and shock. And a lot of people were. We weren't alone. I'm saying in this attorney is saying it's something. Yes, maybe it's hyperbole, maybe. But still, it's saying you're accusing him of a crime during the trial.
00:03:34
Speaker 3: That's a scary prospect for anyone. Look, jury duty is already difficult. You don't get paid. You got to take time off of your life, your work, your job. Now, if you don't, if you don't agree with the rest of the jurors, or if you have a different opinion, you could be singled out and called out and attacked and doxed and threatened.
00:03:56
Speaker 2: This is scary stuff.
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Speaker 1: You just said it in a different way that made me think that most trials aren't going to be televised, my profile like this. But if you see a jury summons, like holy hell, one of these attorneys is going to start digging into my background and see all those parking tickets I had if I don't vote the right way. Robes, that's what we're talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I got accused of anything, doing anything to anyone at any point in my life, forget it. Forget whether or not I've been convicted of a crime, but if I've ever even had anyone say I did something, that's going to come back to haunt me.
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Speaker 2: This is frightening stuff.
00:04:29
Speaker 1: That's true. Now, more from this attorney this morning saying that Kevin Reddington is clearly attacking the right of trial by jury. Kevin Reddington is off the rails. It was astonishing. It was horrifying. It was beyond the pale. He got pretty consistent in his theme of saying that what we're seeing from Kevin Reddington is not okay, not just defending your client. This is actually stuff that goes outside of what lawyers should be doing.
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Speaker 3: I feel like he's basically been describing Kevin Reddington as unhinged. That's the person he's describing. And he went on to talk about Kevin Reddington's behavior. He said, I believe Kevin Reddington, ever since the moment he learned that Michael was not going to side with him, I believe that Kevin Reddington lost his mind.
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Speaker 2: He went on to say that he's upset that he lost out on his legacy moment.
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Speaker 3: He was one vote from winning a trial that would have been a capstone of his career, and he didn't get it, and he lost his mind because of it.
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Speaker 1: This is where it gets a little personal. Maybe, is there something to that? I don't know if he knows this man at all, but he's making a direct accusation that this is personal for Kevin Reddington. This ain't got nothing to do with Clancy. This is ego. His behavior after the fact is all his ego that he lost and he can't take it. And it's causing him to act irrationally.
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Speaker 3: And look, it's wild because obviously Kevin Reddington was aware that Ed had sat down with Fox News.
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Speaker 2: And so even before this interview came out in its totality.
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Speaker 3: he went and told Fox News, this is Kevin Reddington, I think Ed ought to learn how to go into the courtroom and articulate his position rather than the histrionic individual that's just mouthing off for the media.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it, and the back and forth is going on, but Robes, I don't like that they're calling him an obstructionist. That's Kevin Reddington calling a juror an obstructionist juror because you don't like Like, are we really going to do that? Robes, if they say, hey, we are going to dig into the criminal backgrounds of every single person on this jury, we're going to pull every single questionnaire and go through every answer they gave and make sure it matches. If they tell me they're going to do it to everybody, I'll ask a question, but I'll say, fine, you're treating them equally. Robes, this isn't right.
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Speaker 2: They're singling him out. This isn't right.
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Speaker 3: To that point, Edward Palczyk, this is, again, the attorney for the holdout juror, This is exactly what you are alluding to. He said what Kevin Reddington is doing here is setting a nightmarish precedent. And what would happen next time if it's the district attorney that didn't get his way?
00:07:16
Speaker 2: That's frightening.
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Speaker 1: Yes. What if this is the district attorney? You are, what, one vote away from being possibly acquitted? What if you're one vote away? What if it's going in your favor and the district attorney has one person in there that they're pissed at? Nah, I'm going to attack that person to make sure you get convicted. What?
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: If you reverse it, it's very... It makes it all the more... Terrifying. You recognize why it's not okay.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh, the prosecutor didn't get to convict me, but they got one person in the jury they think they can turn, so let's attack that person, get them kicked off. We wouldn't have that.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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Speaker 3: And look, he did say that he plans to, as Kevin Reddington said, hey, start arguing this in court. Well, he intends to do that. He said he was asked, do you intend to file a bar complaint? His answer was quick and... And it was, sure, he said 100%. He said, you've sworn to defend the Constitution and you get out there right after the trial and attack a juror and continue to attack the juror.
00:08:28
Speaker 2: Outside the courtroom, inside the courtroom, everywhere. Kevin Reddington is not behaving rationally anymore. This is nuts.
00:08:37
Speaker 1: Gross. They want him disbarred. Kevin Reddington is going to get, according to the lawyer, a... bar complaint based on what we saw him do in what is the trial of the year wow argue broke to disbarred for his behavior that's not a small thing what's he now you looked it up 70 what.
00:08:58
Speaker 3: Oh yeah i think he's 75 76 oh so not even early 70s right and that.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Was this this was uh this was the holdout.
00:09:06
Speaker 3: Jurors uh attorney's point he said this would have been his swan song this would have been Basically a cap.
00:09:12
Speaker 2: How did he put it?
00:09:13
Speaker 1: A capstone.
00:09:13
Speaker 3: A capstone on a long career. This would have been the win he could have hung his hat on. And he wanted it so bad and he didn't get it.
00:09:23
Speaker 1: I don't know what he knows about Kevin Reddington. And that might be a mean or completely made up thing, accusation to make. But I could also see it. So much of the passion we saw, though, Robes, was not about him wanting a win or a capstone in a career. A lot of people gave him credit for, look at how much he is passionately defending Lindsay Clancy.
00:09:46
Speaker 2: Yes, and bringing up.
00:09:50
Speaker 3: This idea that we need to take women's mental health more seriously, certainly postpartum mental health more seriously, and that this was the system that failed her. It wasn't that she... necessarily is responsible for it. It's that the folks around her who saw she was suffering, who knew she had a mental health condition, they're the reasons why it ended in the murders of three young children.
00:10:11
Speaker 1: He is applauding. I mean, Kevin Reddington was celebrated, right, as this champion. Yes. And I think a lot of parts of the trial, you could argue that. And Robes, we were complimentary as hell of Kevin Reddington throughout his performance. Just was. Passion. Performance, even. Robes and how he went about it. When he started attacking this juror, I think Tones, at least ours did, like, what is happening here? It didn't feel right. It didn't feel good.
00:10:39
Speaker 2: It was disappointing.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: It was, and this shouldn't be the way the system is because we're fighting so hard over this and we disagree so much about what should have happened to this lady. But the attorney wasn't done. Stay here. We'll let you hear the update about his client. Yes, the holdout juror updates about where he is, what he's doing, if he's working, and also how his faith played into his decision-making in that deliberation room.
00:11:14
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ.
00:11:16
Speaker 3: We just heard Edward Palczyk, the attorney for the holdout juror Michael Desronville, sit down with Fox and go through a very detailed reasoning why he thinks Kevin Reddington has lost his mind, why he's going to be filing a bar complaint against the attorney. But he also shed some light on how Michael Desronville is doing now that he's been outed, and he did... out himself in a sense. We know that Kevin Reddington kept referring to him as a he. There were only three men on the jury, but Michael did step forward and he is reiterating that Michael had zero doubt. This whole notion that, and this whole reason why we're going to have a hearing on Tuesday is to say that he somehow perjured himself or he He had reasonable doubt and he still refused to go along with the rest of the jurors. No, his attorney is saying he had zero doubt that that was mischaracterized.
00:12:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you said a second, baby, who who was the first? I mean, he said his name, but who was his name out there? It wasn't before the whole Gayle King thing, right? No, it was the black guy.
00:12:27
Speaker 3: And now we knew it was not only a man. Now we know it's a black man. So he went ahead and said, OK, it's me.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
00:12:34
Speaker 2: Like, let's just, like, cut to the chase.
00:12:35
Speaker 1: You got me.
00:12:36
Speaker 2: It's me.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: Twelve people sitting in the jury box.
00:12:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:12:40
Speaker 1: One black guy.
00:12:41
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be hard to figure out.
00:12:42
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:12:43
Speaker 2: So, look, he talked about his client's decision.
00:12:45
Speaker 3: He said the reality is that it's 11 to 1 because one brave, heroic man said this is wrong. So he's describing his client as a hero. And, yes, he's been described as a holdout juror. But he took great offense to the fact that he's been called the obstructionist juror.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: And I would too, Robes. That's a, that is PR. You're spreading a word that this guy didn't vote how he wanted to. He actually did something wrong. He did something illegal even in there. And that's why Lindsay Clancy can't get out of prison. That is why she's not getting the help. Robes, that's a PR move. Labeling, labeling people, labeling, labeling. That says something so different. And I think that is so wrong. Robes, the guy made a decision. Whatever his decision is, the damn legal system allows for it. Babe, that's all.
00:13:36
Speaker 2: It's true.
00:13:37
Speaker 1: Obstructionist juror.
00:13:39
Speaker 3: Ugh. And to the point where he has been doxxed, his client has been doxxed, they've pulled up, and I'm sure many of you have seen the headlines saying that he had domestic violence charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, and those charges were dropped. He had a nephew also make some allegations against him, but all this stuff is coming up.
00:13:55
Speaker 2: His lawyer said he is the most peaceful man... who is not capable of violence.
00:14:00
Speaker 3: So that some of these allegations were unfairly brought up, dredged up in the media and completely false have never, he's never been convicted. And so his client has certainly suffered solely because he disagreed with the other jurors.
00:14:16
Speaker 1: That's important. He didn't just say, and we hear a lot of lawyers do that. Sometimes my client's never been convicted. He's never, he didn't just say that. He said, these things did not happen. He said, these allegations are actually false that came up. Well, that's, That's a strong statement in defense.
00:14:30
Speaker 2: Yes, and he also went on to talk about how he is a man of God.
00:14:33
Speaker 3: He said his Catholic faith gives him a strong moral foundation. People have been incited by Kevin Reddington's rhetoric. It is only the fact that Michael is a man of God, a man of faith, who places his faith in Jesus Christ. He said that is how he is getting through. This is how he is surviving because of his faith.
00:14:55
Speaker 1: And I wonder... how much, he was a little careful in how he, but I was wondering how much his Catholic faith played into the decision making. Talk about a moral foundation. You're not supposed to, no, you're not supposed to make a decision based strictly on your faith and not evidence, but I'd like to hear more about how it did play a factor in him making that call because Robes, he calls him a hero. He says he's the only one, what is it here? My message to Kevin Reddington and the deranged individuals who think that the murder of three innocent children is okay, you will never break Michael. I mean, they're just different opinions, deranged individuals who think that the murder of innocent three children was okay. Nobody thinks that.
00:15:35
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks that.
00:15:36
Speaker 1: Nobody. It's just a matter of how responsible. We can't agree on how responsible we think Lindsay Clancy is for those deaths.
00:15:44
Speaker 3: Yes. And he also went on to say and call Lindsay Clancy demonic. This isn't the first time he said it, but when he started, when he went down that path, the host, Kaylee is her name, correct? She interrupted him because she knew she didn't want to get into any sort of legal trouble.
00:15:58
Speaker 2: She said, well, she hasn't been convicted of a crime yet.
00:16:01
Speaker 3: But yes, he had some very strong language to describe Lindsay Clancy. And, you know, he, He's not said it once. He said it multiple times. And he and Michael believe that she belongs behind bars.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: And, Roams, I don't know how far we'll go tomorrow in getting an answer. A big day in this case. Lindsay Clancy will be back in court along with the prosecutors, along with her attorney, Kevin Reddington, to take a look at these motions, Roams, about this juror, about a possible mistrial, about possibly defamation. Double Jeopardy. They have a lot to discuss. I don't know how long the thing is going to go tomorrow.
00:16:40
Speaker 3: It's unclear because, yes, they want an investigation into the juror. They want charges dropped. There are all sorts of asks by the defense. And so we don't know if this is going to be an hour-long hearing, if it's going to be an hours-long hearing, and if we're going to get any sort of ruling or judgment in the matter. So we shall see, but it will be an interesting day in court. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.