Sept. 2, 2026
Killer Mom Trial VERDICT WATCH: Judge Sends Deadlocked "Frustrated" Jury Home After 30 Hours
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RSS Feed It’s hard to believe that after all the drama of the morning and the final “dynamite’ charge from the judge, the jury has agreed to come back on Thursday and try again. Day 6 of deliberations in the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial will begin at 9 am tomorrow morning. Reporters inside the courtroom have noted that the jurors look visibly frustrated after nearly 30 hours of deliberations, and if they can’t reach a consensus tomorrow, the judge cannot legally ask them to continue. With that in mind, it appears on Thursday we will either get a verdict, or the judge will be forced to declare a mistrial.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, September 2nd. And I know it's been a long day. But come back and try it again tomorrow. That essentially is what a judge just told 12 people who have been deliberating for almost 30 hours. And with that, welcome to this episode. Should be the last we have, at least on this case today, Rose. But many of the episodes we weren't expecting. There have been little updates recently. But we didn't get the update people have been waiting on, a verdict, babe.
00:00:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually, I'll admit, I kind of thought today we were either going to get a verdict or we were going to have a mistrial. I actually did not think that we would be going into day six of deliberations.
00:00:52
Speaker 1: Folks, there will be a day six of deliberations. And the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial after the jury came back today for a second time, Robes, and reported to this judge that they are deadlocked. That happened, remind me, at what time? I'm getting all loopy and lost.
00:01:11
Speaker 2: Around 2 p.m. this afternoon. So they went to lunch, they came back from lunch, and they sent another note that said, we remain deadlocked. And that is when Judge Sullivan decided to formally... without any explanation, read the Tui Rodriguez charge, which essentially he told the jurors to go back to expand your mind. Think about what the other person is considering. Imagine if you could put yourself in the other juror's head. And so, yes, he basically asked people to question their own... stance.
00:01:54
Speaker 1: But the other part that you really liked and made sense, they also encouraged them not to kick the can. Don't assume that they're going to be as, ah, some other jury will do this later. They'll be able to figure it out. Don't assume they're going to have any more information or any more evidence or going to be any smarter than you. That is what the instruction is, is don't kick the can down the road thinking circumstances will be different or make this easier for another 12 people.
00:02:20
Speaker 2: Don't be like members of Congress.
00:02:23
Speaker 1: This is where we are, folks, because she normally wouldn't have made that comment, but it's been a long day of staring at a seal in a courtroom in Massachusetts. We have had nothing short of five monitors on throughout the house today that keep on various live streams just keeping an eye on that courthouse. Robes, every little moment, I'm judging whether or not it moves a little bit to say, okay, they're coming back. It's been insane how we've watched this live stream today.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, and it just seems like despite a lot of activity outside the courthouse and certainly around the country with feelings and comments and everyone's got a position that they believe is the right one, but you can only imagine the same things happening inside that jury room. But what was interesting is for the first time you started hearing reporters say, let their viewers know or their readers know that yes, members of the jury for the first day actually look visibly frustrated. They have a different tone, a different tenor they're done. And so it'll be interesting when they come back tomorrow morning, when the judge said, all right, y'all basically get a good night's sleep, come back in the morning. Deliberations begin again at 9 a.m. I wonder how long they will give it because now if they come back tomorrow morning after 30 minutes, after an hour, Before lunch, and they tell the judge once again, we are deadlocked. The judge has his hands tied legally.
00:03:57
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. He can only send them back two times to deliberate after they report that they are deadlocked. Those two times are up. The only way he can send them back again is if they consent to it or if they come back out and they ask a question to which they want an answer. Other than that, and Robes, if somebody slides that bit of information to one of these jurors to say, hey, y'all, they'll go back in the morning. Y'all know we can get out of here now, right? Anytime we want to, we can end this. But Robes, I think, yes, a good night's rest, a good meal in your own home, in your own bed. They come back in the morning. After getting this Tui Rodriguez charge, are they going to research it? Are they going to look at that, see what that means? Is this going to change anything right now, Robes?
00:04:45
Speaker 2: It's anyone's guess. I think most people, if you are watching any of the television coverage of this, and they have plenty of legal analysts, former prosecutors, former trial lawyers, and it's funny because most of them, yes, I do believe are of the belief that this is going to end in a mistrial. But every now and then you'll get some sunny, you know, I remember when we thought it was all over and then they came back on the sixth day and they reached a verdict and there were only two holdouts and the jurors later told us how... The foreperson was able to convince the two holdouts, whatever it is. So look, yes. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it probable? Probably not. And I think that's where most people, if you are listening to folks who know a lot more than we do and have a lot more experience with how juries tend to act, although there's no way to predict, it seems like more and more people are now of the belief this is going to end in a mistrial. But my goodness, the level of attention, the media grows each and every day. And as long as This deadlock continues. It's almost as if people have gotten more interested because it speaks to just how tough of a call this case is.
00:05:57
Speaker 1: You were just saying right after we watched the jury come back out and get sent home, we immediately started watching cable news coverage and hearing analysts talk about it. And the first two we listened to, the one said, yeah, this is going to be a mistrial. It's probably going to be tomorrow morning. First thing in the morning. We're going to have to wrap this up. Yeah. We switched over to another lady. She said the exact opposite. This does not mean.
00:06:25
Speaker 2: It's over.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:06:26
Speaker 2: They could come back with a verdict. First thing in the morning. So we started laughing. Yeah, so wherever you are flipping the channel, whoever you're listening to, you're going to hear a completely different take on what they think might happen. And the truth is, they could all be right. I mean, we just don't know. The honest answer is, nobody knows. And we've heard Kevin Reddington come out of court each and every day, and he is mobbed. Like, honestly, I have not seen a throng of media quite like this in a long time, but he is... absolutely the center of attention there must be i don't know 20 30 cameras and reporters all surrounding him as he walks slowly ever so slowly to his vehicle coming out of court today.
00:07:11
Speaker 1: We've done this and seen this a lot this is a mob scene like i've not quite seen.
00:07:17
Speaker 2: It's madness The level of interest is truly remarkable at this point. And look, he has been a straight shooter throughout. He has, folks, he's a polarizing guy. Some people think he might have been too aggressive, too maybe even rude at times when he was taking down certain witnesses for the prosecution. But I think a lot of folks, especially if you have any sort of empathy towards Lindsey Clancy, they're looking at him as a protective father figure who is trying to create that empathy and that understanding and bring to attention the massive deficit we have in knowledge about postpartum women's issues.
00:07:57
Speaker 1: That is worthy. Where else can you convince anybody to have this conversation? How many times have we had plenty of the challenges you have sometimes in the newsroom in getting a story covered? Robes, you walk in there talking about women's mental health after they have a baby, nobody's going to put that feature on.
00:08:13
Speaker 2: Oh, that's too sad. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to listen to that while they're eating their Cheerios.
00:08:17
Speaker 1: This is in our face. We have to deal with this now. And that is worth it. Robes, no matter what the outcome of this is, if nobody comes out of this thinking that we need to do something different, that we need to pay attention. Robes, this has been eye-opening. So, look, I give him credit in that regard. Nonetheless, babe.
00:08:37
Speaker 2: Yes. And we've heard him come out of court because yes, he is asked by reporters just about everything, but he has consistently been talking about how Lindsay Clancy is sad. She's scared. And today the camera panned on her several times when the jury was coming back in. We obviously are only in court when the judge is getting either a note from the jury or if he is, yes, telling them to go back and continue to deliberate. But even like her body language, Kevin Reddington's body language, who we see all the time, it almost looks like they are so exhausted. And it's a reminder, when you are in limbo, when you are waiting, when you don't know what's going to happen, when you are completely powerless, that is oftentimes the most exhausting part of an entire ordeal. It's the in-between. It's the not knowing.
00:09:28
Speaker 1: Robes, this guy, and we're paying attention. You're seeing here, Robes, I'm I'm listening to you in one ear and listening to Kevin Reddington in the other as he's walking out talking to reporters. The thing of note, he's saying that he was asked if he thinks the jurors look frustrated. He said, I think they look amazing. And he left it at that.
00:09:46
Speaker 2: Really?
00:09:46
Speaker 1: I mean, he made no judgment of it. Someone just asked him, if there's a mistrial, when could you be ready to try this case again? He said, next week. That 75 you said he is?
00:09:57
Speaker 2: He's 75 years old. old.
00:10:01
Speaker 1: He said it calmly, quiet, next week. Could do this next week. It's just, there is something about him that people, I don't know how polarizing he is. He's relatable to a great degree.
00:10:13
Speaker 2: Well, you and I both like him. You and I have both been in awe of him. So we wouldn't know I mean, we've read and he's acknowledged that, yes, he understands some people think that he's protecting a baby killer. But and we've oh, my gosh, goodness. Andrea Yates, attorney, has talked about the difference in public opinion now between when he was representing Andrea Yates. He said he has death threats on his family. Like it was actually a frightening endeavor to defend Andrea Yates 25 years ago, whereas today we're literally seeing Kevin Reddington be treated like a rock star.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: He absolutely is. Even most of the people, I say most, but I don't know, Robes, if it's half or half or not, but so many of them out there who have their cameras up, who are in there in the throngs of reporters as well, are also supporters of his. And as they're asking questions, if he gets a challenging question from a mainstream reporter, there'll be someone else that'll yell out, you're doing great.
00:11:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:11:14
Speaker 1: He has just reached that kind of status. So what happens now? What happens in the morning? How long will it be? How long will it take? Is he really just giving them robes, a chance to clear their head? Do you think he sent them home just to rest on it?
00:11:28
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:28
Speaker 1: How did he look to you, the judge?
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Everyone looks exhausted.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: They look defeated.
00:11:31
Speaker 2: Everyone looks defeated. Everyone looks exhausted. Everyone looks afraid that they know where this is headed.
00:11:41
Speaker 1: Which is a mistrial.
00:11:42
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:42
Speaker 1: Yes. I don't know. Again, can you have seen anything wrong? Can you remind me? Did they? Are they allowed to poll the jury if there's a mistrial?
00:11:54
Speaker 2: I can look that up because I don't know. And I do think that we have gotten word before in past trials when they weren't able to reach a consensus. We get to find out after the fact just how close or how far apart they were. But I will have to look that up. to give you the answer.
00:12:09
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, folks, we are now getting close to 30 hours in this trial of deliberations. We will remind you of other trials and now just how close this one is getting to some of the longest deliberations we have seen in some of the highest profile criminal trials. All right, folks, we continue here on Amy and TJ. Just moments ago, judge came out, told the jury in the Lindsay Clancy trial that they should go home for the night, go home for the night and come back tomorrow, which will be day six, day six of deliberations in this trial. Yes, the jury got this case robes last Thursday.
00:12:58
Speaker 2: No.
00:12:59
Speaker 1: Last Thursday. We thought this would be done by the weekend, even.
00:13:03
Speaker 2: We actually had appointments on Monday and Tuesday, and we were telling the people we were supposed to meet, you know what, it's probably not going to come to this, but if the jury's still out, we won't be able to meet you out, we'll have to make the meeting a Zoom. And we actually thought... we're probably going to have a verdict and we've had to rearrange most of our week because we can't be far away from a television or a microphone. If this thing all of a sudden comes down, which of course, when it comes to a jury, anything's possible. So it's remarkable. We could never, we certainly did. We knew it was going to take a little while. I didn't expect them to come back in an hour or two, but certainly day six. And in terms of what we find out, it, It just depends. If a mistrial is caused by a deadlock jury, which that would be the case in this one, the foreperson may tell the judge the numerical split, but obviously they don't say which jurors voted which way. Now, after the trial is done and over, if this ends in a mistrial... the jurors are allowed, if they so choose, to voluntarily give interviews. And you can only imagine that this is going to be a highly sought-after jury in terms of interviews.
00:14:17
Speaker 1: So we're allowed to know the split, but just not who voted which way. Correct.
00:14:21
Speaker 2: So, yes, that does appear to be the case. And that does make sense. You would never want these two right here are the reasons why. These are the ones. Right. Or this person or those three, however the split is. But I would find it fascinating. just to know what the split was. And I also would find it fascinating to know what the split was along gender lines. Just curious, but that would be signaling or singling out. Since there were only three men and six women, that probably is not fair, but that would be fascinating.
00:14:51
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know. I'm curious to know who the holdouts are, if there is some breakdown gender-wise in there. I'm curious. But now, Robes, we didn't think we were going to get this far when we first started talking about this and other juries... Karen Reed. This has now gone longer than the Karen Reed case. Her most recent, the recent retrial, that was 22 hours and five days, and that was a mistrial.
00:15:14
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:15:15
Speaker 1: 22 hours and five days. Casey Anthony had blown past that one. That one was 10 hours, two days. Scott Peterson, eight hours. OJ Simpson, famously, we know, was four hours. Derek Chauvin, 10 hours over two days. Now, Rogue didn't think we were going to get close, but we're creeping up on The Michael Jackson jury took 32 hours over seven days, and he was acquitted.
00:15:38
Speaker 2: And he was acquitted.
00:15:40
Speaker 1: He was acquitted. 32 hours over seven days. Jeffrey Dahmer was 10 hours. George Zimmer went 16 hours over two days. And then Andrea Yates, 12 hours over three days, just to give you some kind of an idea. Robes, we couldn't believe the day that things kept coming, but the thing we were waiting to come still hasn't come.
00:16:01
Speaker 2: I still can't believe that they haven't asked a question.
00:16:04
Speaker 1: No.
00:16:04
Speaker 2: That's what's really confusing to me because I'm imagining if I'm just going to say the split is eight, four, right. And you've got the four people who are not coming over in order to try and get the four people to come over. I would ask questions that might make them be like, that would be thought provoking about what their holdup is. And I would, I would just try to, be pushing that to feel like they were getting some sort of, or we were getting some sort of reinforcement. I would try to be thinking along those lines, thinking maybe some sort of interaction with the judge could help either alleviate their concerns, but we don't know what the issue is. We don't know what the holdup is. We don't know how frustrated they are with each other. Things could be nasty in there and we don't know.
00:16:53
Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean it's not an evidentiary issue? They don't need a point of clarity on law. They have everything they need. They're arguing in there over what then, babe? Moral judgments? Their personal stances? Is there really a debate in there going on over? I am, babe, to no question of five days.
00:17:13
Speaker 2: Not one.
00:17:14
Speaker 1: Not one. I'm blown away. So, folks, we wanted to hop on and give you this update. There have been plenty of updates today. They seem to be small, but they are significant in this case. There will be a sixth day of deliberation, the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial.
00:17:29
Speaker 2: In the morning.
00:17:31
Speaker 1: We're keeping a close eye. We appreciate you all following along with us. We are on it. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, September 2nd. And I know it's been a long day. But come back and try it again tomorrow. That essentially is what a judge just told 12 people who have been deliberating for almost 30 hours. And with that, welcome to this episode. Should be the last we have, at least on this case today, Rose. But many of the episodes we weren't expecting. There have been little updates recently. But we didn't get the update people have been waiting on, a verdict, babe.
00:00:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually, I'll admit, I kind of thought today we were either going to get a verdict or we were going to have a mistrial. I actually did not think that we would be going into day six of deliberations.
00:00:52
Speaker 1: Folks, there will be a day six of deliberations. And the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial after the jury came back today for a second time, Robes, and reported to this judge that they are deadlocked. That happened, remind me, at what time? I'm getting all loopy and lost.
00:01:11
Speaker 2: Around 2 p.m. this afternoon. So they went to lunch, they came back from lunch, and they sent another note that said, we remain deadlocked. And that is when Judge Sullivan decided to formally... without any explanation, read the Tui Rodriguez charge, which essentially he told the jurors to go back to expand your mind. Think about what the other person is considering. Imagine if you could put yourself in the other juror's head. And so, yes, he basically asked people to question their own... stance.
00:01:54
Speaker 1: But the other part that you really liked and made sense, they also encouraged them not to kick the can. Don't assume that they're going to be as, ah, some other jury will do this later. They'll be able to figure it out. Don't assume they're going to have any more information or any more evidence or going to be any smarter than you. That is what the instruction is, is don't kick the can down the road thinking circumstances will be different or make this easier for another 12 people.
00:02:20
Speaker 2: Don't be like members of Congress.
00:02:23
Speaker 1: This is where we are, folks, because she normally wouldn't have made that comment, but it's been a long day of staring at a seal in a courtroom in Massachusetts. We have had nothing short of five monitors on throughout the house today that keep on various live streams just keeping an eye on that courthouse. Robes, every little moment, I'm judging whether or not it moves a little bit to say, okay, they're coming back. It's been insane how we've watched this live stream today.
00:02:54
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, and it just seems like despite a lot of activity outside the courthouse and certainly around the country with feelings and comments and everyone's got a position that they believe is the right one, but you can only imagine the same things happening inside that jury room. But what was interesting is for the first time you started hearing reporters say, let their viewers know or their readers know that yes, members of the jury for the first day actually look visibly frustrated. They have a different tone, a different tenor they're done. And so it'll be interesting when they come back tomorrow morning, when the judge said, all right, y'all basically get a good night's sleep, come back in the morning. Deliberations begin again at 9 a.m. I wonder how long they will give it because now if they come back tomorrow morning after 30 minutes, after an hour, Before lunch, and they tell the judge once again, we are deadlocked. The judge has his hands tied legally.
00:03:57
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. He can only send them back two times to deliberate after they report that they are deadlocked. Those two times are up. The only way he can send them back again is if they consent to it or if they come back out and they ask a question to which they want an answer. Other than that, and Robes, if somebody slides that bit of information to one of these jurors to say, hey, y'all, they'll go back in the morning. Y'all know we can get out of here now, right? Anytime we want to, we can end this. But Robes, I think, yes, a good night's rest, a good meal in your own home, in your own bed. They come back in the morning. After getting this Tui Rodriguez charge, are they going to research it? Are they going to look at that, see what that means? Is this going to change anything right now, Robes?
00:04:45
Speaker 2: It's anyone's guess. I think most people, if you are watching any of the television coverage of this, and they have plenty of legal analysts, former prosecutors, former trial lawyers, and it's funny because most of them, yes, I do believe are of the belief that this is going to end in a mistrial. But every now and then you'll get some sunny, you know, I remember when we thought it was all over and then they came back on the sixth day and they reached a verdict and there were only two holdouts and the jurors later told us how... The foreperson was able to convince the two holdouts, whatever it is. So look, yes. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it probable? Probably not. And I think that's where most people, if you are listening to folks who know a lot more than we do and have a lot more experience with how juries tend to act, although there's no way to predict, it seems like more and more people are now of the belief this is going to end in a mistrial. But my goodness, the level of attention, the media grows each and every day. And as long as This deadlock continues. It's almost as if people have gotten more interested because it speaks to just how tough of a call this case is.
00:05:57
Speaker 1: You were just saying right after we watched the jury come back out and get sent home, we immediately started watching cable news coverage and hearing analysts talk about it. And the first two we listened to, the one said, yeah, this is going to be a mistrial. It's probably going to be tomorrow morning. First thing in the morning. We're going to have to wrap this up. Yeah. We switched over to another lady. She said the exact opposite. This does not mean.
00:06:25
Speaker 2: It's over.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:06:26
Speaker 2: They could come back with a verdict. First thing in the morning. So we started laughing. Yeah, so wherever you are flipping the channel, whoever you're listening to, you're going to hear a completely different take on what they think might happen. And the truth is, they could all be right. I mean, we just don't know. The honest answer is, nobody knows. And we've heard Kevin Reddington come out of court each and every day, and he is mobbed. Like, honestly, I have not seen a throng of media quite like this in a long time, but he is... absolutely the center of attention there must be i don't know 20 30 cameras and reporters all surrounding him as he walks slowly ever so slowly to his vehicle coming out of court today.
00:07:11
Speaker 1: We've done this and seen this a lot this is a mob scene like i've not quite seen.
00:07:17
Speaker 2: It's madness The level of interest is truly remarkable at this point. And look, he has been a straight shooter throughout. He has, folks, he's a polarizing guy. Some people think he might have been too aggressive, too maybe even rude at times when he was taking down certain witnesses for the prosecution. But I think a lot of folks, especially if you have any sort of empathy towards Lindsey Clancy, they're looking at him as a protective father figure who is trying to create that empathy and that understanding and bring to attention the massive deficit we have in knowledge about postpartum women's issues.
00:07:57
Speaker 1: That is worthy. Where else can you convince anybody to have this conversation? How many times have we had plenty of the challenges you have sometimes in the newsroom in getting a story covered? Robes, you walk in there talking about women's mental health after they have a baby, nobody's going to put that feature on.
00:08:13
Speaker 2: Oh, that's too sad. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to listen to that while they're eating their Cheerios.
00:08:17
Speaker 1: This is in our face. We have to deal with this now. And that is worth it. Robes, no matter what the outcome of this is, if nobody comes out of this thinking that we need to do something different, that we need to pay attention. Robes, this has been eye-opening. So, look, I give him credit in that regard. Nonetheless, babe.
00:08:37
Speaker 2: Yes. And we've heard him come out of court because yes, he is asked by reporters just about everything, but he has consistently been talking about how Lindsay Clancy is sad. She's scared. And today the camera panned on her several times when the jury was coming back in. We obviously are only in court when the judge is getting either a note from the jury or if he is, yes, telling them to go back and continue to deliberate. But even like her body language, Kevin Reddington's body language, who we see all the time, it almost looks like they are so exhausted. And it's a reminder, when you are in limbo, when you are waiting, when you don't know what's going to happen, when you are completely powerless, that is oftentimes the most exhausting part of an entire ordeal. It's the in-between. It's the not knowing.
00:09:28
Speaker 1: Robes, this guy, and we're paying attention. You're seeing here, Robes, I'm I'm listening to you in one ear and listening to Kevin Reddington in the other as he's walking out talking to reporters. The thing of note, he's saying that he was asked if he thinks the jurors look frustrated. He said, I think they look amazing. And he left it at that.
00:09:46
Speaker 2: Really?
00:09:46
Speaker 1: I mean, he made no judgment of it. Someone just asked him, if there's a mistrial, when could you be ready to try this case again? He said, next week. That 75 you said he is?
00:09:57
Speaker 2: He's 75 years old. old.
00:10:01
Speaker 1: He said it calmly, quiet, next week. Could do this next week. It's just, there is something about him that people, I don't know how polarizing he is. He's relatable to a great degree.
00:10:13
Speaker 2: Well, you and I both like him. You and I have both been in awe of him. So we wouldn't know I mean, we've read and he's acknowledged that, yes, he understands some people think that he's protecting a baby killer. But and we've oh, my gosh, goodness. Andrea Yates, attorney, has talked about the difference in public opinion now between when he was representing Andrea Yates. He said he has death threats on his family. Like it was actually a frightening endeavor to defend Andrea Yates 25 years ago, whereas today we're literally seeing Kevin Reddington be treated like a rock star.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: He absolutely is. Even most of the people, I say most, but I don't know, Robes, if it's half or half or not, but so many of them out there who have their cameras up, who are in there in the throngs of reporters as well, are also supporters of his. And as they're asking questions, if he gets a challenging question from a mainstream reporter, there'll be someone else that'll yell out, you're doing great.
00:11:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:11:14
Speaker 1: He has just reached that kind of status. So what happens now? What happens in the morning? How long will it be? How long will it take? Is he really just giving them robes, a chance to clear their head? Do you think he sent them home just to rest on it?
00:11:28
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:28
Speaker 1: How did he look to you, the judge?
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Everyone looks exhausted.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: They look defeated.
00:11:31
Speaker 2: Everyone looks defeated. Everyone looks exhausted. Everyone looks afraid that they know where this is headed.
00:11:41
Speaker 1: Which is a mistrial.
00:11:42
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:42
Speaker 1: Yes. I don't know. Again, can you have seen anything wrong? Can you remind me? Did they? Are they allowed to poll the jury if there's a mistrial?
00:11:54
Speaker 2: I can look that up because I don't know. And I do think that we have gotten word before in past trials when they weren't able to reach a consensus. We get to find out after the fact just how close or how far apart they were. But I will have to look that up. to give you the answer.
00:12:09
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, folks, we are now getting close to 30 hours in this trial of deliberations. We will remind you of other trials and now just how close this one is getting to some of the longest deliberations we have seen in some of the highest profile criminal trials. All right, folks, we continue here on Amy and TJ. Just moments ago, judge came out, told the jury in the Lindsay Clancy trial that they should go home for the night, go home for the night and come back tomorrow, which will be day six, day six of deliberations in this trial. Yes, the jury got this case robes last Thursday.
00:12:58
Speaker 2: No.
00:12:59
Speaker 1: Last Thursday. We thought this would be done by the weekend, even.
00:13:03
Speaker 2: We actually had appointments on Monday and Tuesday, and we were telling the people we were supposed to meet, you know what, it's probably not going to come to this, but if the jury's still out, we won't be able to meet you out, we'll have to make the meeting a Zoom. And we actually thought... we're probably going to have a verdict and we've had to rearrange most of our week because we can't be far away from a television or a microphone. If this thing all of a sudden comes down, which of course, when it comes to a jury, anything's possible. So it's remarkable. We could never, we certainly did. We knew it was going to take a little while. I didn't expect them to come back in an hour or two, but certainly day six. And in terms of what we find out, it, It just depends. If a mistrial is caused by a deadlock jury, which that would be the case in this one, the foreperson may tell the judge the numerical split, but obviously they don't say which jurors voted which way. Now, after the trial is done and over, if this ends in a mistrial... the jurors are allowed, if they so choose, to voluntarily give interviews. And you can only imagine that this is going to be a highly sought-after jury in terms of interviews.
00:14:17
Speaker 1: So we're allowed to know the split, but just not who voted which way. Correct.
00:14:21
Speaker 2: So, yes, that does appear to be the case. And that does make sense. You would never want these two right here are the reasons why. These are the ones. Right. Or this person or those three, however the split is. But I would find it fascinating. just to know what the split was. And I also would find it fascinating to know what the split was along gender lines. Just curious, but that would be signaling or singling out. Since there were only three men and six women, that probably is not fair, but that would be fascinating.
00:14:51
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know. I'm curious to know who the holdouts are, if there is some breakdown gender-wise in there. I'm curious. But now, Robes, we didn't think we were going to get this far when we first started talking about this and other juries... Karen Reed. This has now gone longer than the Karen Reed case. Her most recent, the recent retrial, that was 22 hours and five days, and that was a mistrial.
00:15:14
Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: 22 hours and five days. Casey Anthony had blown past that one. That one was 10 hours, two days. Scott Peterson, eight hours. OJ Simpson, famously, we know, was four hours. Derek Chauvin, 10 hours over two days. Now, Rogue didn't think we were going to get close, but we're creeping up on The Michael Jackson jury took 32 hours over seven days, and he was acquitted.
00:15:38
Speaker 2: And he was acquitted.
00:15:40
Speaker 1: He was acquitted. 32 hours over seven days. Jeffrey Dahmer was 10 hours. George Zimmer went 16 hours over two days. And then Andrea Yates, 12 hours over three days, just to give you some kind of an idea. Robes, we couldn't believe the day that things kept coming, but the thing we were waiting to come still hasn't come.
00:16:01
Speaker 2: I still can't believe that they haven't asked a question.
00:16:04
Speaker 1: No.
00:16:04
Speaker 2: That's what's really confusing to me because I'm imagining if I'm just going to say the split is eight, four, right. And you've got the four people who are not coming over in order to try and get the four people to come over. I would ask questions that might make them be like, that would be thought provoking about what their holdup is. And I would, I would just try to, be pushing that to feel like they were getting some sort of, or we were getting some sort of reinforcement. I would try to be thinking along those lines, thinking maybe some sort of interaction with the judge could help either alleviate their concerns, but we don't know what the issue is. We don't know what the holdup is. We don't know how frustrated they are with each other. Things could be nasty in there and we don't know.
00:16:53
Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean it's not an evidentiary issue? They don't need a point of clarity on law. They have everything they need. They're arguing in there over what then, babe? Moral judgments? Their personal stances? Is there really a debate in there going on over? I am, babe, to no question of five days.
00:17:13
Speaker 2: Not one.
00:17:14
Speaker 1: Not one. I'm blown away. So, folks, we wanted to hop on and give you this update. There have been plenty of updates today. They seem to be small, but they are significant in this case. There will be a sixth day of deliberation, the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial.
00:17:29
Speaker 2: In the morning.
00:17:31
Speaker 1: We're keeping a close eye. We appreciate you all following along with us. We are on it. Talk to you soon.