Aug. 28, 2026
Killer Mom Trial: Jurors Ask To See Key Evidence As Deliberations Reach 9 Hours And Counting
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RSS Feed We continue to be on verdict watch as 9 women and 3 men continue a second day of deliberations, with no verdict as of yet. Earlier today, Lindsay Clancy’s defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, told reporters the jurors asked to see the bag of empty pill bottles found in Clancy’s nightstand, as well as the bloody knife she used in her suicide attempt. Reddington also let the press know how Clancy was holding up, as the rest of us wait to hear word from the jury.
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Speaker 1: Hey there folks, it is Friday, August 28th, and how long does it take to come up with a verdict to decide whether or not Lindsay Clancy is guilty of killing her three kids? Apparently more than nine hours. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ at Episode Robes, that it appears as we're recording this, jury deliberations might have to start up again on Monday.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: That is where it seems to be headed at this point because we are ending or nearing the end of the day on Friday. And they have been at it for quite some time, as you pointed out. And we've only gotten one small little tiny hint of where they may be.
00:00:47
Speaker 3: And it doesn't really... show where the tea leaves are.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering where you were going with that. You said we got a hint. I was like, I can't wait for her to explain this one to me because everybody's been trying to figure it out. Yes, we had a couple of jury questions. They requested something, Robes, that was confusing even about what the question was for a little while. And then after everybody, here's what the questions and what they wanted. Robes, everybody then, for the next several hours, every commentator that was within a camera got on and tried to explain to all of us What this means.
00:01:20
Speaker 3: The truth is nobody knows.
00:01:21
Speaker 1: Nobody knows.
00:01:22
Speaker 2: Look, the general rule of thumb is the quicker the verdict, the more likely it's guilty. I mean, that is what most legal analysts would suggest. And the longer it takes, it just could show that they're carefully reviewing very... complex and conflicting reports where they have to kind of figure out who they believe or who they would prefer to rely on. And so, look, we've talked about this being a battle of the experts, but the question, or at least what the jury so far has asked for clarification on, kind of flies in the face of that.
00:02:00
Speaker 1: What is, I don't know if you have it, or you remember it, but Kevin Reddington made a mention of exactly how many exhibits they have and that they'll have available to them and they have to go through when he said when you hear heard the number it sounds like such a daunting task of stuff of course they're not they should be able to go home with this stuff over the weekend that's true they need.
00:02:21
Speaker 2: Time they need time to look through it all and look i think you and i were talking about this we went out to lunch and you said how aware are the jurors of about how much attention this is garnering How many people are closely watching this case? How many people feel passionately about this on either side of things?
00:02:44
Speaker 3: And we are pretty sure they're very aware.
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Speaker 2: Look, they've seen the crowds, the lines to come into court. They've seen the women in masses of pink showing up before court. They've seen the folks who have been dressed in white who are honoring the children's memories. They have to be aware that all eyes are on that courtroom and what they decide is going to be consequential, not just to this case, not just in their community or in the state of Massachusetts. This is something the entire nation is watching and waiting for. That has to be there's already a lot of pressure because someone's life is on the line.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: And you do feel in service to those kids who died.
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Speaker 2: But you also know that the entire country is waiting for you to decide. And Kevin Reddington, when he walked into court today, yes, told reporters, there are 290-something exhibits and five weeks of testimony. That's what they're going through. That's what they're revealing.
00:03:40
Speaker 3: 290-something exhibits.
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Speaker 2: Um....
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I guess, so you're suggesting that they, if they're aware of the intense media pressure and scrutiny on this case, that that can make them slow down and make sure they get this as right as they think they can. Exactly.
00:04:06
Speaker 2: And look, so we finally got word. Well, I shouldn't even say finally. It was pretty early on in the morning. We got word that they believed or we believed the jurors.
00:04:15
Speaker 3: Had a question.
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Speaker 2: And then how much time went by before we even actually got any indication of what that question may be?
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Speaker 3: It was some time, correct?
00:04:26
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Nobody knew what it was. This is the way it usually works in trials.
00:04:31
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:04:31
Speaker 1: We hear the jury has a question. They gather everybody back in the courtroom and the question is read out loud to the attorneys. And then they decide how to answer it. That wasn't the case. So they didn't read it. I don't know why I didn't hear an answer. And I'm not used to seeing this. So don't know why. But the attorneys went to a sidebar. So for a long time, there was just speculation about what the question or questions might have been until Kevin Reddington answered that for the reporters who were collected outside.
00:04:56
Speaker 2: Yes. So finally, we heard this. And this is, like you say, highly unusual. Usually this is all dealt with in court on the record with journalists present. But we heard from Kevin Reddington, who told reporters that the jury asked to see the knife and the.
00:05:13
Speaker 3: Bags of pill bottles.
00:05:16
Speaker 2: That he actually showed during deliberations on Friday. He actually held up that bag of empty pill bottles. I don't remember the knife part of it, but he was saying that that was clearly it was an exhibit. And so that's puzzling why the jury would want to see. Some reports are calling it the bloody knife, but that's the knife that Lindsay Clancy used when she tried to slit her wrists and slit her throat.
00:05:42
Speaker 1: No matter what they would have asked. It wouldn't have made sense to us. We were trying to piece it together, so this could mean this, this could mean that. I don't know why they would want to focus on pill bottles. You knew they were there. You knew they were empty. You knew about the bags. They were shown several times. Why?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean, I've heard the speculation and what people think and all this, as well as about the knife. Nobody knows.
00:06:08
Speaker 3: Nobody knows.
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Speaker 2: And look, those empty pill bottles in that bag were the ones that were in Lindsay Clancy's nightstand. And they're the same pill bottles that Kevin Reddington told jurors that he gave to police, that police didn't actually find them, that police didn't take it in as evidence. He's the one who found it and gave them to police. Like, you should probably know that these were in her nightstand. And then the knife, look, The only thing you could possibly think is that Lindsay Clancy, obviously, we heard from the prosecution, trying to minimize her suicide attempt. So are they trying to figure out whether or not they believe Lindsay Clancy was serious when she slit her wrists and her throat?
00:06:53
Speaker 1: So how big and bad of a knife was it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, that they want to see, did she just pull something that she knew would only create superficial wounds, or was this a big, sharp knife that she would have been confident.
00:07:07
Speaker 3: Could have killed her.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Do you have any operating or anything you're thinking about?
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Speaker 1: The knife. She jumped out a window. But let me see. I don't really, babe. I have no idea what that discussion could have been. Maybe there is a fight that erupted in that jury room over whether or not this was a serious attempt. How do we even know she tried to really kill herself or slash her throat? I bet the knife wasn't even blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we should get the knife in here.
00:07:35
Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Robes.
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Speaker 3: Who knows?
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Speaker 1: Because that part of her suicide attempt, Robes, they spent a little time on it. Kept hearing superficial wounds. We heard that. So maybe it did play in that way. I don't know. Why not?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:07:52
Speaker 1: Babe, why not ask to see pictures of the wounds? Why not? All kinds of stuff. It wasn't a butter knife. Nobody's suggesting that, are they? No, no.
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Speaker 2: And there was blood all over the master bedroom. That was testified to by police, by Patrick Clancy himself. So that's really not at issue. She drew blood from this knife. It was sharp enough to cut her skin.
00:08:11
Speaker 1: But of course.
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Speaker 2: But not that deep where it would have been life-threatening.
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Speaker 3: And then the empty pill bottles thing is really confusing to me because....
00:08:20
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're looking for. If they wanted to know the names of the different prescriptions that were in her nightstand.
00:08:27
Speaker 1: Think that was it?
00:08:28
Speaker 2: Well, that would just be easily, wouldn't you be able to see that in a transcript? Wouldn't you be able to see that?
00:08:33
Speaker 1: They're not reading, going through and reading all the pill bottle labels. No idea. It's so puzzling.
00:08:41
Speaker 3: And I can't even imagine.
00:08:42
Speaker 2: So we also, yeah, it's just, everyone wants to just get a morsel to try and understand maybe which way the jury is leaning and, which way, where their mindset may be. But clearly nine hours and counting is certainly a decent amount of time for a jury to be deliberating.
00:08:59
Speaker 3: And look, you're up against a weekend.
00:09:01
Speaker 2: That is typically motivating for jurors because especially think about this group that have been listening to some of the most gutting testimony any jury has ever heard before.
00:09:11
Speaker 3: And they've been sitting there for five weeks. You would think they'd be.
00:09:13
Speaker 2: Motivated to come to some sort of consensus and to get back to their lives, to to leave this heaviness and this trial behind and at least get a new start.
00:09:24
Speaker 3: Got to get.
00:09:26
Speaker 1: This one right, though. That is true. I know folks are in a hurry, and we have seen, wasn't the Diddy trial going up against the 4th of July weekend or something? We've seen this before. I don't know if somebody keeps tabs on this, but I don't remember a whole lot of times I was waiting on a jury to come back on a Monday. It just doesn't feel like that. Kind of is what happened. But Robes, if we hear that they want to go past their regular time, that means they got something cooking. Especially on a Friday.
00:09:59
Speaker 3: Exactly.
00:10:00
Speaker 2: So we've been kind of watching the clock because we have seen this jury typically, I mean, pretty regularly. The judge was actually, I can't think of one day where they stayed late. We've definitely seen judges do that in other cases. But in this particular court, we've seen.
00:10:16
Speaker 3: this.
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Judge break pretty consistently around 4 PM Eastern time. And even yesterday, the jury got the, got the case, uh, just before lunch.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: Correct. And they did not go past. I mean, they, they stopped at Quentin time.
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Speaker 2: They didn't really stay much later at all, which I think a lot of people read into that.
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Speaker 3: They may, they must not be even close.
00:10:37
Speaker 1: Which is expected after all this. I would. Yes. But, but Rose folks are predicting. We don't know days a week. Obviously, nobody knows, but Robes, I would understand if this takes a week. I would understand if we look at the middle of next week and we're still waiting on a verdict. Robes, this is a lot of stuff. I mean, I don't even know how you would begin to start breaking it down to eliminate things. What do you take off the table? Okay, not guilty. That one's off the table. So we got four options. Is not guilty by reason of insanity a legit option? That has to be yes. Is manslaughter legit?
00:11:14
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:15
Speaker 1: Yes. First degree, yes. You got to work through all the elements of these crimes.
00:11:21
Speaker 2: The only verdict possibilities that I think, and I would imagine this would be what most people would believe, that.
00:11:28
Speaker 3: Would seem like.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Highly improbable, if not impossible, would be just not guilty or second degree murder.
00:11:35
Speaker 3: Neither one of those two really make a lot of sense in this case.
00:11:38
Speaker 2: It seems like they would almost certainly be going between first-degree murder, manslaughter, or not guilty by reason of insanity. Those are the three I would think that seem to fit this case. It would be hard to imagine you could fit into the second-degree murder or the just flat-out not guilty category.
00:11:56
Speaker 1: Obviously not guilty is not happening. I have a difficult... For a jury that has been crying for weeks... I find it very difficult to think 12 of them are going to agree to first-degree murder and send her to prison for the rest of her life with no parole. Sweetheart, that's a very tall task just on emotion, not on all the evidence. And they heard every bit of it. Robes, I just, the percentages on that are low to me.
00:12:32
Speaker 3: You make a very good point.
00:12:34
Speaker 2: There were jurors crying throughout this trial, but there were several jurors that reporters noted were crying during Kevin Reddington's closing arguments. So look, they've been crying for five weeks here and there.
00:12:51
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what that means?
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Speaker 2: They're invested, emotionally invested, and certainly they feel the pressure of to get it right. So to have that emotion, now bring that in with 12 people who might be feeling very different emotions about very different things, whoo, that's going to be a tough one.
00:13:07
Speaker 1: Well, that's how the jurors might be feeling, but how is Lindsay Clancy feeling today? Well, her lawyer, Kevin Reddington, let us know. We continue here on day, I guess this is the first full day, Robes, of Verdict Watch. Yesterday was a half day, but it looks like at this point, unless they decide to go a little late tonight, and we will hop back on if anything else happens, but it looks like the jury is going to call it and come back on Monday and go through the week. Yes, we might have two days. And, Robes, have you seen as well the stuff I've seen online people Even after an hour, two hours, I can't believe these idiots haven't come back with a guilty verdict yet. What's taking so long?
00:13:59
Speaker 2: And that just goes to show you the passion. And people feel very strongly. They're either on Lindsay Clancy's side and feeling empathy towards her and wanting her to get mental health help. And then there's the other side that says, lock her up for the rest of her life. This woman is a monster. So if we're seeing that on the outside and we're seeing people forcefully and emotionally put this out there online and they feel that passionately and they haven't been sitting in that courtroom... that's probably exactly what's playing out in that jury room right now.
00:14:34
Speaker 3: And look, I was just looking it up.
00:14:36
Speaker 2: There's no official average length for a jury to deliberate in a criminal trial, but they do say standard, like most the typical three.
00:14:45
Speaker 3: Hours to 10 hours.
00:14:47
Speaker 2: And that reads, if you think about most juries, that's like a standard typical amount of time. Look, This is almost certainly, I mean, unless they shock us, it's almost certainly going to go past that standard time. And I don't think that that should be shocking. I do think if you look at just how divided people are online, why wouldn't the jury be divided?
00:15:06
Speaker 1: Of course they are. You've got a diverse group of folks in there, just like the rest of the country, and they How heated? How passionate? Is it as passionate in there as it is out here?
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Speaker 3: I would think it would be. Because to your point, if you've got jurors crying, they care. They care deeply.
00:15:21
Speaker 2: If you are moved enough to feel something like that, that intensely, you are going to have very strong feelings about what you think should happen to Lindsay Clancy.
00:15:32
Speaker 3: Period.
00:15:33
Speaker 1: And how is she doing? Kevin Reddington was asked about it today and just simply said she He added a word today, Robes, I don't think he used when he was asked about this the other day. Sad. So she is sad and scared today. You can imagine that reads, that makes sense. But how is she really doing? Will we ever get to know who this woman really is? I don't know. I've only heard her described, Robes, and she was described in two very different ways.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and it's just which.
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Speaker 2: version of her do you believe and could she do you have space what's the verdict if you think she could be all of the above right but again to reporters just desperate for any clue or any information when when we heard kevin reddington say that lindsey clancy was very sad and scared someone said why what that that and so kevin reddington as you might imagine responded what would you be scared of.
00:16:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, going to prison for the rest of her life, I'm sure.
00:16:36
Speaker 1: Again, plenty to think there's nothing to talk about here. That, of course, she should. Yeah, it's... We wait. Folks, we wanted to hop on and give this update now. If there's anything else that does happen tonight, we will hop back on. But at least at this point, it's not official as of this recording, but it is very close to quitting time, as you just said, Rhodes, for these jurors. And they might be back at this on Monday. We appreciate you going along with us in all this conversation. And they have been heavy and they have been hard and they have been emotional. But we appreciate you sticking with us for it. We'll stay on it.
Speaker 1: Hey there folks, it is Friday, August 28th, and how long does it take to come up with a verdict to decide whether or not Lindsay Clancy is guilty of killing her three kids? Apparently more than nine hours. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ at Episode Robes, that it appears as we're recording this, jury deliberations might have to start up again on Monday.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: That is where it seems to be headed at this point because we are ending or nearing the end of the day on Friday. And they have been at it for quite some time, as you pointed out. And we've only gotten one small little tiny hint of where they may be.
00:00:47
Speaker 3: And it doesn't really... show where the tea leaves are.
00:00:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering where you were going with that. You said we got a hint. I was like, I can't wait for her to explain this one to me because everybody's been trying to figure it out. Yes, we had a couple of jury questions. They requested something, Robes, that was confusing even about what the question was for a little while. And then after everybody, here's what the questions and what they wanted. Robes, everybody then, for the next several hours, every commentator that was within a camera got on and tried to explain to all of us What this means.
00:01:20
Speaker 3: The truth is nobody knows.
00:01:21
Speaker 1: Nobody knows.
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Speaker 2: Look, the general rule of thumb is the quicker the verdict, the more likely it's guilty. I mean, that is what most legal analysts would suggest. And the longer it takes, it just could show that they're carefully reviewing very... complex and conflicting reports where they have to kind of figure out who they believe or who they would prefer to rely on. And so, look, we've talked about this being a battle of the experts, but the question, or at least what the jury so far has asked for clarification on, kind of flies in the face of that.
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Speaker 1: What is, I don't know if you have it, or you remember it, but Kevin Reddington made a mention of exactly how many exhibits they have and that they'll have available to them and they have to go through when he said when you hear heard the number it sounds like such a daunting task of stuff of course they're not they should be able to go home with this stuff over the weekend that's true they need.
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Speaker 2: Time they need time to look through it all and look i think you and i were talking about this we went out to lunch and you said how aware are the jurors of about how much attention this is garnering How many people are closely watching this case? How many people feel passionately about this on either side of things?
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Speaker 3: And we are pretty sure they're very aware.
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Speaker 2: Look, they've seen the crowds, the lines to come into court. They've seen the women in masses of pink showing up before court. They've seen the folks who have been dressed in white who are honoring the children's memories. They have to be aware that all eyes are on that courtroom and what they decide is going to be consequential, not just to this case, not just in their community or in the state of Massachusetts. This is something the entire nation is watching and waiting for. That has to be there's already a lot of pressure because someone's life is on the line.
00:03:20
Speaker 3: And you do feel in service to those kids who died.
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Speaker 2: But you also know that the entire country is waiting for you to decide. And Kevin Reddington, when he walked into court today, yes, told reporters, there are 290-something exhibits and five weeks of testimony. That's what they're going through. That's what they're revealing.
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Speaker 3: 290-something exhibits.
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Speaker 2: Um....
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I guess, so you're suggesting that they, if they're aware of the intense media pressure and scrutiny on this case, that that can make them slow down and make sure they get this as right as they think they can. Exactly.
00:04:06
Speaker 2: And look, so we finally got word. Well, I shouldn't even say finally. It was pretty early on in the morning. We got word that they believed or we believed the jurors.
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Speaker 3: Had a question.
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Speaker 2: And then how much time went by before we even actually got any indication of what that question may be?
00:04:23
Speaker 3: It was some time, correct?
00:04:26
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Nobody knew what it was. This is the way it usually works in trials.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
00:04:31
Speaker 1: We hear the jury has a question. They gather everybody back in the courtroom and the question is read out loud to the attorneys. And then they decide how to answer it. That wasn't the case. So they didn't read it. I don't know why I didn't hear an answer. And I'm not used to seeing this. So don't know why. But the attorneys went to a sidebar. So for a long time, there was just speculation about what the question or questions might have been until Kevin Reddington answered that for the reporters who were collected outside.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So finally, we heard this. And this is, like you say, highly unusual. Usually this is all dealt with in court on the record with journalists present. But we heard from Kevin Reddington, who told reporters that the jury asked to see the knife and the.
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Speaker 3: Bags of pill bottles.
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Speaker 2: That he actually showed during deliberations on Friday. He actually held up that bag of empty pill bottles. I don't remember the knife part of it, but he was saying that that was clearly it was an exhibit. And so that's puzzling why the jury would want to see. Some reports are calling it the bloody knife, but that's the knife that Lindsay Clancy used when she tried to slit her wrists and slit her throat.
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Speaker 1: No matter what they would have asked. It wouldn't have made sense to us. We were trying to piece it together, so this could mean this, this could mean that. I don't know why they would want to focus on pill bottles. You knew they were there. You knew they were empty. You knew about the bags. They were shown several times. Why?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean, I've heard the speculation and what people think and all this, as well as about the knife. Nobody knows.
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Speaker 3: Nobody knows.
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Speaker 2: And look, those empty pill bottles in that bag were the ones that were in Lindsay Clancy's nightstand. And they're the same pill bottles that Kevin Reddington told jurors that he gave to police, that police didn't actually find them, that police didn't take it in as evidence. He's the one who found it and gave them to police. Like, you should probably know that these were in her nightstand. And then the knife, look, The only thing you could possibly think is that Lindsay Clancy, obviously, we heard from the prosecution, trying to minimize her suicide attempt. So are they trying to figure out whether or not they believe Lindsay Clancy was serious when she slit her wrists and her throat?
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Speaker 1: So how big and bad of a knife was it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, that they want to see, did she just pull something that she knew would only create superficial wounds, or was this a big, sharp knife that she would have been confident.
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Speaker 3: Could have killed her.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Do you have any operating or anything you're thinking about?
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Speaker 1: The knife. She jumped out a window. But let me see. I don't really, babe. I have no idea what that discussion could have been. Maybe there is a fight that erupted in that jury room over whether or not this was a serious attempt. How do we even know she tried to really kill herself or slash her throat? I bet the knife wasn't even blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we should get the knife in here.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Robes.
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Speaker 3: Who knows?
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Speaker 1: Because that part of her suicide attempt, Robes, they spent a little time on it. Kept hearing superficial wounds. We heard that. So maybe it did play in that way. I don't know. Why not?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Babe, why not ask to see pictures of the wounds? Why not? All kinds of stuff. It wasn't a butter knife. Nobody's suggesting that, are they? No, no.
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Speaker 2: And there was blood all over the master bedroom. That was testified to by police, by Patrick Clancy himself. So that's really not at issue. She drew blood from this knife. It was sharp enough to cut her skin.
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Speaker 1: But of course.
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Speaker 2: But not that deep where it would have been life-threatening.
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Speaker 3: And then the empty pill bottles thing is really confusing to me because....
00:08:20
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're looking for. If they wanted to know the names of the different prescriptions that were in her nightstand.
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Speaker 1: Think that was it?
00:08:28
Speaker 2: Well, that would just be easily, wouldn't you be able to see that in a transcript? Wouldn't you be able to see that?
00:08:33
Speaker 1: They're not reading, going through and reading all the pill bottle labels. No idea. It's so puzzling.
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Speaker 3: And I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 2: So we also, yeah, it's just, everyone wants to just get a morsel to try and understand maybe which way the jury is leaning and, which way, where their mindset may be. But clearly nine hours and counting is certainly a decent amount of time for a jury to be deliberating.
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Speaker 3: And look, you're up against a weekend.
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Speaker 2: That is typically motivating for jurors because especially think about this group that have been listening to some of the most gutting testimony any jury has ever heard before.
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Speaker 3: And they've been sitting there for five weeks. You would think they'd be.
00:09:13
Speaker 2: Motivated to come to some sort of consensus and to get back to their lives, to to leave this heaviness and this trial behind and at least get a new start.
00:09:24
Speaker 3: Got to get.
00:09:26
Speaker 1: This one right, though. That is true. I know folks are in a hurry, and we have seen, wasn't the Diddy trial going up against the 4th of July weekend or something? We've seen this before. I don't know if somebody keeps tabs on this, but I don't remember a whole lot of times I was waiting on a jury to come back on a Monday. It just doesn't feel like that. Kind of is what happened. But Robes, if we hear that they want to go past their regular time, that means they got something cooking. Especially on a Friday.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: So we've been kind of watching the clock because we have seen this jury typically, I mean, pretty regularly. The judge was actually, I can't think of one day where they stayed late. We've definitely seen judges do that in other cases. But in this particular court, we've seen.
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Speaker 3: this.
00:10:16
Speaker 2: Judge break pretty consistently around 4 PM Eastern time. And even yesterday, the jury got the, got the case, uh, just before lunch.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: Correct. And they did not go past. I mean, they, they stopped at Quentin time.
00:10:29
Speaker 2: They didn't really stay much later at all, which I think a lot of people read into that.
00:10:34
Speaker 3: They may, they must not be even close.
00:10:37
Speaker 1: Which is expected after all this. I would. Yes. But, but Rose folks are predicting. We don't know days a week. Obviously, nobody knows, but Robes, I would understand if this takes a week. I would understand if we look at the middle of next week and we're still waiting on a verdict. Robes, this is a lot of stuff. I mean, I don't even know how you would begin to start breaking it down to eliminate things. What do you take off the table? Okay, not guilty. That one's off the table. So we got four options. Is not guilty by reason of insanity a legit option? That has to be yes. Is manslaughter legit?
00:11:14
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:11:15
Speaker 1: Yes. First degree, yes. You got to work through all the elements of these crimes.
00:11:21
Speaker 2: The only verdict possibilities that I think, and I would imagine this would be what most people would believe, that.
00:11:28
Speaker 3: Would seem like.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Highly improbable, if not impossible, would be just not guilty or second degree murder.
00:11:35
Speaker 3: Neither one of those two really make a lot of sense in this case.
00:11:38
Speaker 2: It seems like they would almost certainly be going between first-degree murder, manslaughter, or not guilty by reason of insanity. Those are the three I would think that seem to fit this case. It would be hard to imagine you could fit into the second-degree murder or the just flat-out not guilty category.
00:11:56
Speaker 1: Obviously not guilty is not happening. I have a difficult... For a jury that has been crying for weeks... I find it very difficult to think 12 of them are going to agree to first-degree murder and send her to prison for the rest of her life with no parole. Sweetheart, that's a very tall task just on emotion, not on all the evidence. And they heard every bit of it. Robes, I just, the percentages on that are low to me.
00:12:32
Speaker 3: You make a very good point.
00:12:34
Speaker 2: There were jurors crying throughout this trial, but there were several jurors that reporters noted were crying during Kevin Reddington's closing arguments. So look, they've been crying for five weeks here and there.
00:12:51
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what that means?
00:12:52
Speaker 2: They're invested, emotionally invested, and certainly they feel the pressure of to get it right. So to have that emotion, now bring that in with 12 people who might be feeling very different emotions about very different things, whoo, that's going to be a tough one.
00:13:07
Speaker 1: Well, that's how the jurors might be feeling, but how is Lindsay Clancy feeling today? Well, her lawyer, Kevin Reddington, let us know. We continue here on day, I guess this is the first full day, Robes, of Verdict Watch. Yesterday was a half day, but it looks like at this point, unless they decide to go a little late tonight, and we will hop back on if anything else happens, but it looks like the jury is going to call it and come back on Monday and go through the week. Yes, we might have two days. And, Robes, have you seen as well the stuff I've seen online people Even after an hour, two hours, I can't believe these idiots haven't come back with a guilty verdict yet. What's taking so long?
00:13:59
Speaker 2: And that just goes to show you the passion. And people feel very strongly. They're either on Lindsay Clancy's side and feeling empathy towards her and wanting her to get mental health help. And then there's the other side that says, lock her up for the rest of her life. This woman is a monster. So if we're seeing that on the outside and we're seeing people forcefully and emotionally put this out there online and they feel that passionately and they haven't been sitting in that courtroom... that's probably exactly what's playing out in that jury room right now.
00:14:34
Speaker 3: And look, I was just looking it up.
00:14:36
Speaker 2: There's no official average length for a jury to deliberate in a criminal trial, but they do say standard, like most the typical three.
00:14:45
Speaker 3: Hours to 10 hours.
00:14:47
Speaker 2: And that reads, if you think about most juries, that's like a standard typical amount of time. Look, This is almost certainly, I mean, unless they shock us, it's almost certainly going to go past that standard time. And I don't think that that should be shocking. I do think if you look at just how divided people are online, why wouldn't the jury be divided?
00:15:06
Speaker 1: Of course they are. You've got a diverse group of folks in there, just like the rest of the country, and they How heated? How passionate? Is it as passionate in there as it is out here?
00:15:16
Speaker 3: I would think it would be. Because to your point, if you've got jurors crying, they care. They care deeply.
00:15:21
Speaker 2: If you are moved enough to feel something like that, that intensely, you are going to have very strong feelings about what you think should happen to Lindsay Clancy.
00:15:32
Speaker 3: Period.
00:15:33
Speaker 1: And how is she doing? Kevin Reddington was asked about it today and just simply said she He added a word today, Robes, I don't think he used when he was asked about this the other day. Sad. So she is sad and scared today. You can imagine that reads, that makes sense. But how is she really doing? Will we ever get to know who this woman really is? I don't know. I've only heard her described, Robes, and she was described in two very different ways.
00:16:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:16:04
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's just which.
00:16:06
Speaker 2: version of her do you believe and could she do you have space what's the verdict if you think she could be all of the above right but again to reporters just desperate for any clue or any information when when we heard kevin reddington say that lindsey clancy was very sad and scared someone said why what that that and so kevin reddington as you might imagine responded what would you be scared of.
00:16:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, going to prison for the rest of her life, I'm sure.
00:16:36
Speaker 1: Again, plenty to think there's nothing to talk about here. That, of course, she should. Yeah, it's... We wait. Folks, we wanted to hop on and give this update now. If there's anything else that does happen tonight, we will hop back on. But at least at this point, it's not official as of this recording, but it is very close to quitting time, as you just said, Rhodes, for these jurors. And they might be back at this on Monday. We appreciate you going along with us in all this conversation. And they have been heavy and they have been hard and they have been emotional. But we appreciate you sticking with us for it. We'll stay on it.