Nov. 24, 2025
Kevin Spacey Addresses Misleading Headlines. We Are Too.
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RSS Feed Actor Kevin Spacey made a compelling video addressing the headline that created more headlines that ended with “thousands” of people reaching out to him, to offer him a place to stay. Even though Spacey recently admitted in an interview with The Telegraph that he lost his home and is currently living out of suitcases in Airbnb’s and hotel rooms, it’s certainly a far cry from being homeless and living on the streets. Amy and T.J. have also been dealing with a new round of misleading headlines surrounding their recent engagement and discuss the real life impact of clickbait.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, And despite the headlines you saw, no, Kevin Spacey is not homeless. In related news, and also despite the headlines, no, Robot and I did not fake our engagement. And with that, welcome to this very personal, pissed off episode of amy and teaching. No, not pissed off. We're used to it at this point. But robes this whole Kevin Spacey back and forth, which became a back and forth we didn't know, sparked some stuff in us that we kind of laugh about. But this stuff has real impact, and Kevin Spacey.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: Noticed, and I think that's the point of this. Look. We've talked about clickbait headlines plenty over the past couple of years, but it is important to remember and I appreciate the fact that Kevin Spacey came back and clarified. We have talked about our biggest mistakes have been and not speaking up and speaking out when misinformation is handed out. So you really go through this balance in your head. I'm sure Kevin Spacey did as well. How much attention do you want to give to the clickbaity headlines, but how much space do you want to leave for other people to fill in what they mean, and so he took ownership of this. After he spoke for some time and praised the journalist who actually did the interview, but bashed the headline that the Telegraph chose to give it in front of you. Exactly the Telegraph headline is this Kevin Spacey interview homeless, canceled and crooning in Cyprus. A second headline is still exiled from Hollywood despite acquitvalent Court, the Oscar winning actor, talks about his life's latest chapter.
00:01:49
Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of people saw the headline. I don't know how many people read as deeply as we did into the story, which, of course we read the whole story. I was surprised to see him do such an in depth interview, but I thought it was interesting a lot of what he had to say. Now, so what happens here? Robes's problem is he explained, and we did an episode on talking about and gave his words. You can say homeless if you want to, technically, but that's not exactly what he was explaining.
00:02:18
Speaker 2: Yes, he says, saying that I have no home does not equate to being homeless. Actually, technically from a definition standpoint, it does, but he's talking about the colloquial way we all regard saying someone's homeless. It means they're living on the street. It means they are destitute. It means they are in need of immediate help because they cannot house themselves, they cannot shelter themselves.
00:02:45
Speaker 1: And that was the impression that the headline, at least to some, did give. But in that original article Robe he said at the time he never suggested it that that of any kind. He said, I've been bouncing around here and there.
00:02:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I'm going where the work is, and he did say that he and this he actually went on a little while ago. He went on Peers Morgan, I believe, and was very emotional saying he had to let go of his home in Baltimore and it foreclosure because he could no longer afford it. So this has been a devastating and emotional situation for him. However, he is a two time Academy Award winning actor who is still working right now, and I appreciate that he is hustling, he said, like he did in his early days, and so he can pay his bills. He's staying. In fact, to the video he put on Instagram, which we can talk about. His background is gorgeous. He's obviously staying at a very luxurious Airbnb or hotel.
00:03:41
Speaker 1: Which is where he has been in what he explained in the article. Here's the problem. One headline creates the click bait. Everybody else now jumps on that headline and wants to turn it into their own headline. Now they need to up the ante a little bit and make it sound even worse, and then somebody else picks it up to make it sound even worse. So now all you get is a whole series of stories that aren't really about what he talked about in that article. They're only about Kevin Spacey being homeless, and that went everywhere, and that is where frustration and I guess a lot of camaraderie we felt in that moment with Kevin Spacey because he came out and shut it down immediately. And like you said, Robe, you can give him credit for doing so, but what do you do about a click bait headline that he has no control over and no say it was only meant to play on people's emotions, get them worked up, get a reaction for shock value, just to click that button. As soon as you do, they've won.
00:04:57
Speaker 2: Yes, And you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. Because he actually decided to speak out, and I thought the article was wonderful, and I think he did too. He praised the journalist once again. But look, people can say what they want. He's trying to rectify a narrative already about him that most people think he was convicted of a crime. Most people think he had to pay out his accusers, and the truth is he's never been convicted of a crime, and he's never been held liable for any civil suit that was filed against him. And so he's trying to correct the record, saying, was I too Hansy a couple of times? Did I maybe make advances on people who I didn't realize were offended by them? Probably? Yes? But did I commit a crime? Am I a pariah? No? None of those things. So he was trying to set the record straight and talk about how he wanted to make a comeback and how he's trying to make a comeback, and.
00:05:48
Speaker 1: It turned into something else. It's only about this because the most important part of that story. I mean, if you didn't have that headline. I don't know if I would have plucked that out. Yeah, I don't know if I would have been laser focused in reading his interview of that being the most important thing, a significant thing that he said.
00:06:09
Speaker 2: It just spoke to where he is now financially given where he was, And I do appreciate that that is significant and that that does tell a story about what has happened to him based on allegations. But he didn't like the notion that somehow he was being equated to the homeless folks that you see on the streets of major urban areas. He's like, please do not, this is nowhere near the same thing. And I think that's where he was wanting to set the record straight. And I appreciate his video was measured. He didn't seem angry. He just wanted to set the record straight, and frankly, he's had a lot of experience having to try and do that.
00:06:48
Speaker 1: But he said he clearly took issue with that headline. Like I said, he commended the work of the actual journalists but said, it's too bad that your actual bosses have taken away from your great work by writing this misleading headline.
00:07:01
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, and he said that he was not responding to the press. I actually this is pretty funny, he said. I don't usually make it my business to correct the media. If I did, I wouldn't have time for much else. That's telling well, you can't.
00:07:17
Speaker 1: And this is another area in which we well, I will speak for me, but I think you do as well. We felt that camaraderie at least un understood what he was coming from, and that as soon as you answer a lie in a tabloid headline, you've now given them content to come back and rewrite something that. Ah, he responded to what we said, And then you give agency to the other tabloid and the other one, and the other one, well, we'll just make some shit up too, and then he'll have to respond to that. So you end up we could spend every single day responding two things that are one hundred percent falls, and you put yourself in a position to where you're constantly answering allegations that have never been made other than by someone sitting around who wants to destroy you. Yes, and get a click.
00:08:18
Speaker 2: I have an email in my inbox right now, in that very vein. And it's always been if you respond, you now give them something more to write. But I do appreciate the fact that there are moments when you need to respond. And that is where Kevin Spacey was with this, he said, and I appreciate how he wrote this, or he said this. It was a shame that the Telegraph chose to undermine the work of their own journalists by selling him out with a knowingly misleading headline for the sake of clicks.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: Click a click. This is where we are in the industry, I mean a click. We're fighting over a click. And they look, they do their research, and these things are done well. How many times today anybody listening right now, how many times have you done it? And how many times are you gonna do it? Fall for a clickbait headline. It's meant to shock. It plays on your emotions. It has to promise you that there will be surprising new content when you click into it. But so much of it roads is to play on your emotions, your anger, your disappointments, your fears, your your relationship, how it's going. It plays on what's happening in your life. Psychologically. It forces you, almost they say, sometimes to click. You can't help yourself and then once you click, you get in there and you see something that feeds that fear, feeds that anger. They call it. They say it's a dopamine hit. And the next thing you know, you want to go back, and you fall for the next one, and fall for the next one. The next thing you know, you're just you're putting We talked about this recently. If you ever want to know what people are ingesting, just pay attention to what they are putting out into the world. Just you become that the cynical. And I hate it, and I see it rose and you know, this is one. It drives me crazier than you do. And I know a lot of folks who in the public eye do better at this, and and I'm just used to it, but it drives me crazy. It's nothing. It's the worst thing in the world when somebody is saying something about you that you know to be one hundred percent false and you can do nothing about it because you know somebody out there is reading it and believes them. And that's why we lost jobs and so these things. And to hear him handle it the way he's handling I know there's another example of somebody doing it the way we should have right, and we said we promise that from now on, we will not let anybody else speak for us, and we will stand up for ourselves and our relationship when it rises to the level. We're now at the point, Robes, Where is the level? I can't tell how high of a level is. What the publication is, is it? How horrible the headline about us is? Is it? How? I don't know the bar now, because we are dealing with We've been dealing with some shit in the past week or so, I say, dealing with shit. Not really, it's just you want to set a record straight. But it's based on a completely fabricated headline story to get somebody to click.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: And it's one of those fine lines where you have to ask yourself again. I said, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. If you give too much information or you're being completely transparent, people will take that, use it against you, make fun of you, whatever, and take some of what you said and turn it into something else. But if you say nothing, if you don't give anybody any details, they'll fill them all in for you. So it's just like either, oh, you're you're telling us too much and you're wanting to be relevant, stop being so desperate. Or if you don't say anything, we'll tell you how it happened. We'll tell you what they did, We'll tell you what people think about it.
00:12:06
Speaker 1: So what where's the balance? Then? Where are we? We have not settled on this balance. Where's the balance for us between giving this much, this much or not much? What's the balance? We didn't plan on telling anybody about our engagement. We have been engaged a full month before anybody even noticed, or we were living our lives and what's wrong with that? I don't know. But as soon as we said, all right, somebody's about to put it, we're not going to let somebody else tell that we're engaged. So let's just do it. We had a five minute podcast just saying, hey, guys, we're engaged and moved on with our lives.
00:12:47
Speaker 2: And then what, Well, we didn't talk about the ring, we didn't talk about how you proposed, we didn't talk about when our wedding might be, and so everyone else tries to fill in the blanks with nothing.
00:13:01
Speaker 1: That's the thing you're filling in a blank based on and you all read anytime you see something that says, source close to the couple says, that is a one lie has been made of, either by some source or by that publication. It is. It's difficult to stomach that that somebody is sitting somewhere and making up a lie about you, and it's going to print it, and they can get around it by simply saying an insider says.
00:13:29
Speaker 2: Sources say sources close to the couple say. Anytime you read sources close to the couple say, it's BS.
00:13:35
Speaker 1: Or it's Sabine, or it's Analyse, or it's your parents and my parents. Nobody else's close to us.
00:13:42
Speaker 2: No, we've gotten to a place where we really don't give personal details to even close friends. Because I've always said, this is nothing against my friends, but human nature is this. Everyone always tells one person, and not even with ill intent, maybe with excite, maybe with love, maybe with just sharing something, and one person always tells one person about it. Have you ever played the game operator, By the time you get to whatever tabloid, they've heard nothing that is even anywhere close to the truth. What were you know?
00:14:17
Speaker 1: What? No, stay here, folks, we come back. I'm going to let robot go through all the things she was recently accused of related to her engagement. Some of these I just found out about myself. Stay here all right, folks, We continue now with our surprising I guess I didn't know we had so much in common with Kevin Spacey here lately. But it is to think that he came out, did this big interview talking about what his life has been like, talking about how difficult it is, and the only headline that came out of it is him saying he doesn't have his physical home anymore. He's been going to Airbnb's hotels, bouncing around where the work is in Cyprus now performing with Rodes. He's not out on the street, and he felt it was a intentionally misleading headline for them to put that in there. Actually, it was the first word he said, Kevin Spacey interview, homeless.
00:15:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the headline, and that got me to click.
00:15:23
Speaker 1: And that's the point. What the work being done today, folks, to get you to click is pretty incredible.
00:15:30
Speaker 2: You already had an idea based on what's been happening look over the last three years, but even it's ramped back up in the last few weeks since we announced our engagement the anatomy of a tabloid headline. You said, we could do a whole podcast explaining like what, because we've lived it, and look, we had been in the media. We understood a little bit. But when it happens to you, and when it is that personal and that deeply misconstrued and offensive, it takes on a whole new meeting.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: We didn't do anything like this. I didn't understand this before we got I had no idea. I had no idea it was you. I would have gone to court and said, no, they don't make up stuff and just lie. I would have sworn that that stuff didn't happen. I know better.
00:16:16
Speaker 2: Yes, Unfortunately, we learned the hard way.
00:16:19
Speaker 1: So we Yeah, we got engaged in September, right, and after that, we traveled all over the place in big crowds of people at events, and nobody said a word. Nobody said a thing about the ring, and we just went on about our day.
00:16:36
Speaker 2: We actually had discussions about it, because obviously we got engaged. I want to wear the ring. We knew if I wore the ring that there might be photographs or people asking questions, and we just I think we decided because we didn't. We didn't want to say, hey, everybody, look at our relationship. We've been trying to get away from that, and we just thought, hey, let's let this just happen organically. And so when we when some one finally, for whatever reason, it got to a tabloid, they were letting us know that they were going to out us in a sense or reveal that we were engaged.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: Which they too could have just been guessing because most of their facts are wrong, that's true. Ast of the stuff in there was completely made up.
00:17:15
Speaker 2: They already had stuff about our wedding that were like hilariously wrong.
00:17:19
Speaker 1: So I'm quite frankly I wonder if they were just guessing as well with the time, because people have guessed over the past two years. Who said it was imminent like a year.
00:17:29
Speaker 2: Ago, yeah exactly, and people thought we were already married. There was all sorts of stuff, but anyway, we decided we settled on, hey, we'll just make it really quick, we'll acknowledge it, we'll own the announcement ourselves, but we can keep our details private. We're not trying to say everybody, look at us, and here are all the wonderful things that are happening in our lives. We just wanted to be on the record with it, to own it ourselves after everything we've been through. So we left out all of the details deliberately because they're our private details.
00:17:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just the podcast was fine minutes. This wasn't a big thing. When we're talking about everything, we just want to say, hey, on the record, that was supposed to be it, and we want to go back about our day.
00:18:10
Speaker 2: Lol. So yes, finally a photographer found us and we were walking down the street and they got a picture of the ring that you proposed to me with. And the headlines are ridiculous, but they all involved me doing something wrong, and we saw this happening. If we were smiling, we were flaunting our relationship. If we were laughing, we were laughing in the faces of the people we hurt. If we were looking cold or serious, we were fighting. Like you can't do anything right. They find a way to take whatever they see and make it negative. And so when it came to the ring, all of the headlines were that I was flaunting my massive engagement ring. I was showing off my huge rock. Then there were the headlines that we were staging an engagement for our career revival. Then I actually have a request to respond to something about the fact that I got my own ring for myself because I want it to be engaged. And it goes on and on and on, and we can laugh. But these things get picked up when you Google. It's the first thing that comes up. And yes, there are plenty of people who will believe all of those things that we're we're using something that's deeply personal for ourselves as a PR campaign and it's all negative and it's sad.
00:19:43
Speaker 1: I ask anybody listening to just take just take stock, and I mean just take a moment when you were about to click on those things and just consider this. Why is it that you need it to be negative? Why do you need it to be somebody else's pain? Why do you need somebody else to be doing wrong? Why do you need a villain? And I say, I didn't know the stuff about the ring, but the idea of you flaunting, showing off, what were the other words you said were.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: Using, well, flaunting, show and flashes. I'm flashing, I'm showing off, I'm flaunting you.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: All the flashing and flaunting in the picture. We literally walked three blocks to La Pan to Kotadien to get salads and walked right back home. If that is flaunting, showing off, throwing in somebody's face, that is a very good example, Rhoades, that you are told that you did something wrong by walking outside. Yep, that's all you did, and it then gets passed along to somebody else as you are now a bitch an asshole of a woman who shows off, and it's all I'm connected to this too, but it just that is what we mean. Folks. We literally walked three blocks to get salads and they told you that we're showing off and flaunting. We did a five minute podcast to say we're engaged, and now we're told we've faked and we've staged, and now we're trying a huge career thing over a goddamn five minute podcast. Folks, If you want sympathy, and you want heart and tears and sincerity and family, if you want to come around about us, then we damn sure would tell you what happened with our engagement because it was fucking beautiful, and how our kids were involved, and how our families were involved all God, we should have taken pictures posted them everywhere it would have been gorgeous and that have been beautiful. But folks, we are just trying to live our lives and have a good time doing some news along the way, and that's kind of it. That's kind of it. I'm sorry that you feel the way you feel about us based on a lie you were told by a tabloid. I'm not gonna keep screaming the facts about what happened at the beginning of our relationship. I just you can't keep doing that. But I maybe, Robes, I'll apologize to you, and maybe this is the time I should dedicate and say publicly that I'll do this differently. I don't declare enough publicly how much I love you. I don't hoot and holler and scream from the mountaintops and posts about the woman I am engaged to because I'm worried about how somebody else might take that shit. You post it, they're gonna take talk shit. You don't post it, They're gonna talk shit. So why not just own the fact, sweetheart, I am in love with you, and I apologize for not being as loud about it publicly as I should be over some bullshit clickbait potential. So that's all I got to say. Fucking story.
00:23:14
Speaker 2: And you know what I feel like. That is a beautiful way to drop the mic and just to remind everybody that these are all real people with real problems, real beauty, real love, real feelings and what you click on and how people write these stories matter. So thank you so much for listening to us, and baby, I love you and I am proud to be your fiancee and can't wait to marry you. And with that everyone, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, And despite the headlines you saw, no, Kevin Spacey is not homeless. In related news, and also despite the headlines, no, Robot and I did not fake our engagement. And with that, welcome to this very personal, pissed off episode of amy and teaching. No, not pissed off. We're used to it at this point. But robes this whole Kevin Spacey back and forth, which became a back and forth we didn't know, sparked some stuff in us that we kind of laugh about. But this stuff has real impact, and Kevin Spacey.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: Noticed, and I think that's the point of this. Look. We've talked about clickbait headlines plenty over the past couple of years, but it is important to remember and I appreciate the fact that Kevin Spacey came back and clarified. We have talked about our biggest mistakes have been and not speaking up and speaking out when misinformation is handed out. So you really go through this balance in your head. I'm sure Kevin Spacey did as well. How much attention do you want to give to the clickbaity headlines, but how much space do you want to leave for other people to fill in what they mean, and so he took ownership of this. After he spoke for some time and praised the journalist who actually did the interview, but bashed the headline that the Telegraph chose to give it in front of you. Exactly the Telegraph headline is this Kevin Spacey interview homeless, canceled and crooning in Cyprus. A second headline is still exiled from Hollywood despite acquitvalent Court, the Oscar winning actor, talks about his life's latest chapter.
00:01:49
Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of people saw the headline. I don't know how many people read as deeply as we did into the story, which, of course we read the whole story. I was surprised to see him do such an in depth interview, but I thought it was interesting a lot of what he had to say. Now, so what happens here? Robes's problem is he explained, and we did an episode on talking about and gave his words. You can say homeless if you want to, technically, but that's not exactly what he was explaining.
00:02:18
Speaker 2: Yes, he says, saying that I have no home does not equate to being homeless. Actually, technically from a definition standpoint, it does, but he's talking about the colloquial way we all regard saying someone's homeless. It means they're living on the street. It means they are destitute. It means they are in need of immediate help because they cannot house themselves, they cannot shelter themselves.
00:02:45
Speaker 1: And that was the impression that the headline, at least to some, did give. But in that original article Robe he said at the time he never suggested it that that of any kind. He said, I've been bouncing around here and there.
00:02:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I'm going where the work is, and he did say that he and this he actually went on a little while ago. He went on Peers Morgan, I believe, and was very emotional saying he had to let go of his home in Baltimore and it foreclosure because he could no longer afford it. So this has been a devastating and emotional situation for him. However, he is a two time Academy Award winning actor who is still working right now, and I appreciate that he is hustling, he said, like he did in his early days, and so he can pay his bills. He's staying. In fact, to the video he put on Instagram, which we can talk about. His background is gorgeous. He's obviously staying at a very luxurious Airbnb or hotel.
00:03:41
Speaker 1: Which is where he has been in what he explained in the article. Here's the problem. One headline creates the click bait. Everybody else now jumps on that headline and wants to turn it into their own headline. Now they need to up the ante a little bit and make it sound even worse, and then somebody else picks it up to make it sound even worse. So now all you get is a whole series of stories that aren't really about what he talked about in that article. They're only about Kevin Spacey being homeless, and that went everywhere, and that is where frustration and I guess a lot of camaraderie we felt in that moment with Kevin Spacey because he came out and shut it down immediately. And like you said, Robe, you can give him credit for doing so, but what do you do about a click bait headline that he has no control over and no say it was only meant to play on people's emotions, get them worked up, get a reaction for shock value, just to click that button. As soon as you do, they've won.
00:04:57
Speaker 2: Yes, And you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. Because he actually decided to speak out, and I thought the article was wonderful, and I think he did too. He praised the journalist once again. But look, people can say what they want. He's trying to rectify a narrative already about him that most people think he was convicted of a crime. Most people think he had to pay out his accusers, and the truth is he's never been convicted of a crime, and he's never been held liable for any civil suit that was filed against him. And so he's trying to correct the record, saying, was I too Hansy a couple of times? Did I maybe make advances on people who I didn't realize were offended by them? Probably? Yes? But did I commit a crime? Am I a pariah? No? None of those things. So he was trying to set the record straight and talk about how he wanted to make a comeback and how he's trying to make a comeback, and.
00:05:48
Speaker 1: It turned into something else. It's only about this because the most important part of that story. I mean, if you didn't have that headline. I don't know if I would have plucked that out. Yeah, I don't know if I would have been laser focused in reading his interview of that being the most important thing, a significant thing that he said.
00:06:09
Speaker 2: It just spoke to where he is now financially given where he was, And I do appreciate that that is significant and that that does tell a story about what has happened to him based on allegations. But he didn't like the notion that somehow he was being equated to the homeless folks that you see on the streets of major urban areas. He's like, please do not, this is nowhere near the same thing. And I think that's where he was wanting to set the record straight. And I appreciate his video was measured. He didn't seem angry. He just wanted to set the record straight, and frankly, he's had a lot of experience having to try and do that.
00:06:48
Speaker 1: But he said he clearly took issue with that headline. Like I said, he commended the work of the actual journalists but said, it's too bad that your actual bosses have taken away from your great work by writing this misleading headline.
00:07:01
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, and he said that he was not responding to the press. I actually this is pretty funny, he said. I don't usually make it my business to correct the media. If I did, I wouldn't have time for much else. That's telling well, you can't.
00:07:17
Speaker 1: And this is another area in which we well, I will speak for me, but I think you do as well. We felt that camaraderie at least un understood what he was coming from, and that as soon as you answer a lie in a tabloid headline, you've now given them content to come back and rewrite something that. Ah, he responded to what we said, And then you give agency to the other tabloid and the other one, and the other one, well, we'll just make some shit up too, and then he'll have to respond to that. So you end up we could spend every single day responding two things that are one hundred percent falls, and you put yourself in a position to where you're constantly answering allegations that have never been made other than by someone sitting around who wants to destroy you. Yes, and get a click.
00:08:18
Speaker 2: I have an email in my inbox right now, in that very vein. And it's always been if you respond, you now give them something more to write. But I do appreciate the fact that there are moments when you need to respond. And that is where Kevin Spacey was with this, he said, and I appreciate how he wrote this, or he said this. It was a shame that the Telegraph chose to undermine the work of their own journalists by selling him out with a knowingly misleading headline for the sake of clicks.
00:08:51
Speaker 1: Click a click. This is where we are in the industry, I mean a click. We're fighting over a click. And they look, they do their research, and these things are done well. How many times today anybody listening right now, how many times have you done it? And how many times are you gonna do it? Fall for a clickbait headline. It's meant to shock. It plays on your emotions. It has to promise you that there will be surprising new content when you click into it. But so much of it roads is to play on your emotions, your anger, your disappointments, your fears, your your relationship, how it's going. It plays on what's happening in your life. Psychologically. It forces you, almost they say, sometimes to click. You can't help yourself and then once you click, you get in there and you see something that feeds that fear, feeds that anger. They call it. They say it's a dopamine hit. And the next thing you know, you want to go back, and you fall for the next one, and fall for the next one. The next thing you know, you're just you're putting We talked about this recently. If you ever want to know what people are ingesting, just pay attention to what they are putting out into the world. Just you become that the cynical. And I hate it, and I see it rose and you know, this is one. It drives me crazier than you do. And I know a lot of folks who in the public eye do better at this, and and I'm just used to it, but it drives me crazy. It's nothing. It's the worst thing in the world when somebody is saying something about you that you know to be one hundred percent false and you can do nothing about it because you know somebody out there is reading it and believes them. And that's why we lost jobs and so these things. And to hear him handle it the way he's handling I know there's another example of somebody doing it the way we should have right, and we said we promise that from now on, we will not let anybody else speak for us, and we will stand up for ourselves and our relationship when it rises to the level. We're now at the point, Robes, Where is the level? I can't tell how high of a level is. What the publication is, is it? How horrible the headline about us is? Is it? How? I don't know the bar now, because we are dealing with We've been dealing with some shit in the past week or so, I say, dealing with shit. Not really, it's just you want to set a record straight. But it's based on a completely fabricated headline story to get somebody to click.
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Speaker 2: And it's one of those fine lines where you have to ask yourself again. I said, you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. If you give too much information or you're being completely transparent, people will take that, use it against you, make fun of you, whatever, and take some of what you said and turn it into something else. But if you say nothing, if you don't give anybody any details, they'll fill them all in for you. So it's just like either, oh, you're you're telling us too much and you're wanting to be relevant, stop being so desperate. Or if you don't say anything, we'll tell you how it happened. We'll tell you what they did, We'll tell you what people think about it.
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Speaker 1: So what where's the balance? Then? Where are we? We have not settled on this balance. Where's the balance for us between giving this much, this much or not much? What's the balance? We didn't plan on telling anybody about our engagement. We have been engaged a full month before anybody even noticed, or we were living our lives and what's wrong with that? I don't know. But as soon as we said, all right, somebody's about to put it, we're not going to let somebody else tell that we're engaged. So let's just do it. We had a five minute podcast just saying, hey, guys, we're engaged and moved on with our lives.
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Speaker 2: And then what, Well, we didn't talk about the ring, we didn't talk about how you proposed, we didn't talk about when our wedding might be, and so everyone else tries to fill in the blanks with nothing.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing you're filling in a blank based on and you all read anytime you see something that says, source close to the couple says, that is a one lie has been made of, either by some source or by that publication. It is. It's difficult to stomach that that somebody is sitting somewhere and making up a lie about you, and it's going to print it, and they can get around it by simply saying an insider says.
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Speaker 2: Sources say sources close to the couple say. Anytime you read sources close to the couple say, it's BS.
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Speaker 1: Or it's Sabine, or it's Analyse, or it's your parents and my parents. Nobody else's close to us.
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Speaker 2: No, we've gotten to a place where we really don't give personal details to even close friends. Because I've always said, this is nothing against my friends, but human nature is this. Everyone always tells one person, and not even with ill intent, maybe with excite, maybe with love, maybe with just sharing something, and one person always tells one person about it. Have you ever played the game operator, By the time you get to whatever tabloid, they've heard nothing that is even anywhere close to the truth. What were you know?
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Speaker 1: What? No, stay here, folks, we come back. I'm going to let robot go through all the things she was recently accused of related to her engagement. Some of these I just found out about myself. Stay here all right, folks, We continue now with our surprising I guess I didn't know we had so much in common with Kevin Spacey here lately. But it is to think that he came out, did this big interview talking about what his life has been like, talking about how difficult it is, and the only headline that came out of it is him saying he doesn't have his physical home anymore. He's been going to Airbnb's hotels, bouncing around where the work is in Cyprus now performing with Rodes. He's not out on the street, and he felt it was a intentionally misleading headline for them to put that in there. Actually, it was the first word he said, Kevin Spacey interview, homeless.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the headline, and that got me to click.
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Speaker 1: And that's the point. What the work being done today, folks, to get you to click is pretty incredible.
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Speaker 2: You already had an idea based on what's been happening look over the last three years, but even it's ramped back up in the last few weeks since we announced our engagement the anatomy of a tabloid headline. You said, we could do a whole podcast explaining like what, because we've lived it, and look, we had been in the media. We understood a little bit. But when it happens to you, and when it is that personal and that deeply misconstrued and offensive, it takes on a whole new meeting.
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Speaker 1: We didn't do anything like this. I didn't understand this before we got I had no idea. I had no idea it was you. I would have gone to court and said, no, they don't make up stuff and just lie. I would have sworn that that stuff didn't happen. I know better.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Unfortunately, we learned the hard way.
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Speaker 1: So we Yeah, we got engaged in September, right, and after that, we traveled all over the place in big crowds of people at events, and nobody said a word. Nobody said a thing about the ring, and we just went on about our day.
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Speaker 2: We actually had discussions about it, because obviously we got engaged. I want to wear the ring. We knew if I wore the ring that there might be photographs or people asking questions, and we just I think we decided because we didn't. We didn't want to say, hey, everybody, look at our relationship. We've been trying to get away from that, and we just thought, hey, let's let this just happen organically. And so when we when some one finally, for whatever reason, it got to a tabloid, they were letting us know that they were going to out us in a sense or reveal that we were engaged.
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Speaker 1: Which they too could have just been guessing because most of their facts are wrong, that's true. Ast of the stuff in there was completely made up.
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Speaker 2: They already had stuff about our wedding that were like hilariously wrong.
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Speaker 1: So I'm quite frankly I wonder if they were just guessing as well with the time, because people have guessed over the past two years. Who said it was imminent like a year.
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Speaker 2: Ago, yeah exactly, and people thought we were already married. There was all sorts of stuff, but anyway, we decided we settled on, hey, we'll just make it really quick, we'll acknowledge it, we'll own the announcement ourselves, but we can keep our details private. We're not trying to say everybody, look at us, and here are all the wonderful things that are happening in our lives. We just wanted to be on the record with it, to own it ourselves after everything we've been through. So we left out all of the details deliberately because they're our private details.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just the podcast was fine minutes. This wasn't a big thing. When we're talking about everything, we just want to say, hey, on the record, that was supposed to be it, and we want to go back about our day.
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Speaker 2: Lol. So yes, finally a photographer found us and we were walking down the street and they got a picture of the ring that you proposed to me with. And the headlines are ridiculous, but they all involved me doing something wrong, and we saw this happening. If we were smiling, we were flaunting our relationship. If we were laughing, we were laughing in the faces of the people we hurt. If we were looking cold or serious, we were fighting. Like you can't do anything right. They find a way to take whatever they see and make it negative. And so when it came to the ring, all of the headlines were that I was flaunting my massive engagement ring. I was showing off my huge rock. Then there were the headlines that we were staging an engagement for our career revival. Then I actually have a request to respond to something about the fact that I got my own ring for myself because I want it to be engaged. And it goes on and on and on, and we can laugh. But these things get picked up when you Google. It's the first thing that comes up. And yes, there are plenty of people who will believe all of those things that we're we're using something that's deeply personal for ourselves as a PR campaign and it's all negative and it's sad.
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Speaker 1: I ask anybody listening to just take just take stock, and I mean just take a moment when you were about to click on those things and just consider this. Why is it that you need it to be negative? Why do you need it to be somebody else's pain? Why do you need somebody else to be doing wrong? Why do you need a villain? And I say, I didn't know the stuff about the ring, but the idea of you flaunting, showing off, what were the other words you said were.
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Speaker 2: Using, well, flaunting, show and flashes. I'm flashing, I'm showing off, I'm flaunting you.
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Speaker 1: All the flashing and flaunting in the picture. We literally walked three blocks to La Pan to Kotadien to get salads and walked right back home. If that is flaunting, showing off, throwing in somebody's face, that is a very good example, Rhoades, that you are told that you did something wrong by walking outside. Yep, that's all you did, and it then gets passed along to somebody else as you are now a bitch an asshole of a woman who shows off, and it's all I'm connected to this too, but it just that is what we mean. Folks. We literally walked three blocks to get salads and they told you that we're showing off and flaunting. We did a five minute podcast to say we're engaged, and now we're told we've faked and we've staged, and now we're trying a huge career thing over a goddamn five minute podcast. Folks, If you want sympathy, and you want heart and tears and sincerity and family, if you want to come around about us, then we damn sure would tell you what happened with our engagement because it was fucking beautiful, and how our kids were involved, and how our families were involved all God, we should have taken pictures posted them everywhere it would have been gorgeous and that have been beautiful. But folks, we are just trying to live our lives and have a good time doing some news along the way, and that's kind of it. That's kind of it. I'm sorry that you feel the way you feel about us based on a lie you were told by a tabloid. I'm not gonna keep screaming the facts about what happened at the beginning of our relationship. I just you can't keep doing that. But I maybe, Robes, I'll apologize to you, and maybe this is the time I should dedicate and say publicly that I'll do this differently. I don't declare enough publicly how much I love you. I don't hoot and holler and scream from the mountaintops and posts about the woman I am engaged to because I'm worried about how somebody else might take that shit. You post it, they're gonna take talk shit. You don't post it, They're gonna talk shit. So why not just own the fact, sweetheart, I am in love with you, and I apologize for not being as loud about it publicly as I should be over some bullshit clickbait potential. So that's all I got to say. Fucking story.
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Speaker 2: And you know what I feel like. That is a beautiful way to drop the mic and just to remind everybody that these are all real people with real problems, real beauty, real love, real feelings and what you click on and how people write these stories matter. So thank you so much for listening to us, and baby, I love you and I am proud to be your fiancee and can't wait to marry you. And with that everyone, thank you for listening. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.