Feb. 14, 2026
Judge Shocks Courtroom, Gives Au Pair Maximum Prison Time
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RSS Feed The judge in the au pair affair murder trial went against the prosecution and its star witness, sentencing Au pair Juliana Maghaleas to 10 years in prison. Maghaleas testified against her former boss and lover, Brendan Banfield, securing his conviction, thinking she was securing her freedom. The judge had other plans, and some harsh words for the 25-year-old, telling her she should spend the rest of her life in prison for the murder of Joe Ryan.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Saturday, February fourteenth, and what a development in the so called O Pair affair murder trial. The old pair who made a sweet deal with prosecutors. Well, the judge just ripped up that sweet deal. She is not going free. In fact, she's going to prison for a long time. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rhobes. I did not see this one coming.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: Neither did I, and in fact, we had been obviously, if you all have been following our feed, you have been following this murder trial. We are talking about Brendan Banfield and his O pair turned lover. We are talking about Juliana maclays. They were both I mean, he was found guilty and she admitted guilt to conspiring to kill his wife Christine, and in doing so they lured a man over to the home to pin the murder on him and come out looking like heroes so they could live happily. Ever after, so Juliana Mogoles decides to go ahead and cooperate with the prosecution. She testified against Brendan Banfield, which led to a guilty verdict and boom her sentencing hearing. She's supposed to get out of jail free. Now. The prosecutors agreed to say, hey, we will give you your sentence as time served and you'll be on your way back home to Brazil if you testify for us.
00:01:25
Speaker 1: Boom. That was the deal. And frankly, you and I and a lot of people had a problem with this case in that it was his word against hers her word. She had very much an incentive to lie, to say whatever she wanted so she could get out of jail free. That was the deal deal with the prosecutors. You turn state's witness, testify for us, and we will let you off scott free with a she has a manslaughter conviction. But the prosecutor said, cut this deal with you, no jail time. That's what they've been preaching for months and throughout the entire trial.
00:01:58
Speaker 2: It didn't seem fair. You and I both thought it was pretty awful, And as a juror, I was thinking that might weigh in on their decision as to whether or not they even believed.
00:02:07
Speaker 1: Her, because she shot the fatal blow right.
00:02:09
Speaker 2: And she admitted to She admitted to actually shooting Joe Ryan, the man they lure to Brendan Banfield's home, and she delivered the fatal gunshot wound and she admitted it, and I believe the forensics verified that she essentially killed him.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: So here we are. Brendan Banfield got convicted a couple of weeks ago. He's going to jail the rest of his life. No possibility of parole, we were told. At the end of that trial, the prosecutors asked, judge, is Juliana good to go? Can she be released? Judges like, knock yourself out and do what you want with her. However, a little detail was missed is that you still have to formalize this process. A prosecutor can say whatever a prosecutor wants and make whatever deal a prosecutor wants, but the judge is the one who has to officially sign off on it. This judge, it was not on board.
00:02:56
Speaker 2: Wow, when we found out this news, our job both dropped because we covered this trial every single day and so this was not something we expected. But the judge in this case, yes, she went against the prosecution's recommendation and she gave Juliana Maglays the maximum possible sentence for manslaughter ten years plus a two another two years of a suspended sentence. So Juliana Magulays is not going home to Brazil. She is staying exactly where she's been since eight months after those murders.
00:03:30
Speaker 1: This is a hell of a development in this case. And Rhodes, I think as a juror, you might have looked at it a little differently if you knew this woman was already going to prison for ten years and has now shown up to testify.
00:03:42
Speaker 2: Oh, it would have absolutely changed what I thought of her testimony knowing that, And would she have testified though if she had known that, or would she have taken her chances with her trial. It's very interesting, but here the judge, what the judge did is one thing which was shocking. What the judge said to her, I think I think probably felt very satisfying to the families of the victims, and they certainly spoke afterwards too. So there's a lot to get to. But first off, the judge gave the list of reasons why why she decided to go against the prosecution's sweetheart deal. She said up until sentencing, Juliana offered no remorse. She said, when Christine Banfield yelled to her to call nine one one, she did not when Joe Ryan began to move after Brendan Banfield shot him in the head, he was not dead. She shot him in the chest to make sure he was dead. Those were the three reasons she said, you are not getting out of jail.
00:04:44
Speaker 1: It's incredible that the judge can look at it this way and that the prosecutor's prosecution looked at it another way, like you did all of this stuff, but we as prosecutors are willing to let you go because we want this other guy so badly. That's the justice system. It works like that. You go after the bigger fish and the one most responsible, but rodes the judge. I know this is awful for her, but I think this looks awful for the prosecution.
00:05:09
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it does too. And the judge actually admonished Juliana when she was given her sentence. She said, let's get it straight. You do not deserve anything other than incarceration and a life of reflection on what you have done to the victim and his family. May it weigh heavily on your soul. You do not deserve anything other than life in prison. So the judge, if she had her way, she made it very clear she would have sent Juliana Magalais to prison for the rest of her life period.
00:05:41
Speaker 1: This is the most I can do, and I'm hitting you with it. This was remarkable, and a lot of people will probably tell you this was the right thing.
00:05:48
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel it in my bones. It was the right thing. You said the same thing yesterday when we found out. You said this feels right.
00:05:55
Speaker 1: It does, and nothing about it. It all felt icky. The deal that was made, why she was doing it, the whole Netflix deal, the producers and gonna make a movie, and just her testimony, she didn't come off. Even if everything she said was correct and true, she still was not at the right messenger for it.
00:06:15
Speaker 2: She didn't seem remorseful at all, to the judge's point. Throughout that entire testimony, she seemed annoyed and irritated, and even in her back and forth love letters with Brendan Banfield, it was all about her and their love. It had nothing to do with any sadness of remorse about what happened to these two people. So interestingly enough, Juliana did get to speak to the victim's families and she was very emotional, but again was not emotional when she was testifying in that courtroom under oath during the trial, but at sentencing she said, with tears and sobs, I know my remorse cannot bring you peace. This next sentence got me. I want to hear your reaction to this. She then said to the victims' families, I hope you can sum day understand that I really did not believe his plan would actually happened.
00:07:06
Speaker 1: What this is top That's awful, Okay, that's that's just don't say it terrible. That's terrible. That's not taking responsibility. And there were so many You had so many opportunities, over so much time to stop. So that's that doesn't She's trying.
00:07:24
Speaker 2: She cares that the family thinks that she didn't really want to do it. What that's where your head is right now, in defense of your intentions. That is scary. So then she also Juliana said this to the judge, trying to again defend herself. I lost myself in a relationship and left my morals and values behind.
00:07:48
Speaker 1: Did you see the video? By chance?
00:07:49
Speaker 2: I didn't see the video.
00:07:50
Speaker 1: I'm curious how this came off. We just weren't able to get this up in front of us. I'm curious how that came off because on paper it comes off terribly.
00:07:57
Speaker 2: Oh, it comes off terribly. But listen to what the judge said back to Juliana after she's literally this was a back and forth. So Juliana says, I lost myself in a relationship, Judge, I left my morals and values behind. Judge. She's trying to get the judge to agree to the sentencing. The judge says this to Juliana, you were texting and speaking to Joseph Ryan, encouraging him to bring a knife and ultimately through the phone conversation getting his consent, knowing all along you were bringing him to his death.
00:08:29
Speaker 1: That's a good clap back, if you will. To your statement just doesn't fly. You are luring a man. You are literally luring a man, and it's the whole story is awful. But this was a button to this story that again, I'm never a happy in some case like this, but it just didn't feel satisfactory. When he was going to prison and the prosecutors were telling us she was going home to Brazil, it just didn't feel right. This, at least some semblance of justice gets closer with this.
00:09:04
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, And so when we come back. We're going to tell you what the victims' families said to Juliana. They were able to actually Joe Ryan's mom and An were actually able to directly speak to her, and will tell you why the family of Christine Banfield did not get that same opportunity. Right.
00:09:32
Speaker 1: We continue here on Amy and TJ with the pretty shocking development that the O Pair and the Old Pair affair trial after making a sweetheart deal with prosecutors to get no jail time, judge refused to sign off on that and sentenced her to ten years in Prison's Victim impact statements are so important in these cases. Yes, they can have an impact on what the judge does, but Robes, this is their one moment. They've sat for years. This the murder was twenty twenty e twenty twenty three, it's twenty twenty six. They've been waiting for finality in all this. Well, I am so glad that so much focus was on Joe Ryan.
00:10:08
Speaker 2: I agree in this because it wasn't during the trial. And let's just point out again we're assuming that most of you all followed along with us reporting on this trial, but not only did Brendan Banfield in his trial say he didn't kill Christine or Joe for the reasons why anyone said they did. They also, Brendan's theory or Brendan's narrative made it seem as though Joe Ryan was some sadistic fiend who came over with a knife in this violent sex act and stabbed Christine Banfield for no apparent reason other than pure sadistical joy. I mean, that would have to be the implication. So not only did he malign Joe Ryan, he also maligned Christine Banfield and made it seem like she also had deviant sexual needs and that she had had affairs. None of that was proven. So his convictions say he killed these two and then he tried to kill their reputations to defend him. So imagine you're the family members. You've lost your loved ones, and you have this murderer telling the world that your beloved family member was a horrible person. It was evil, evil, evil evil, and.
00:11:19
Speaker 1: We get it. But we didn't hear a whole lot about Joe Ryan, his background, what he was about, what he liked, or he just wasn't the focus of the trial and victim impact statements. His family showed up and I'm and I was happy to see that we got to hear more about him and hear from them, because we really didn't. And he was the one guy in this whole thing that had nothing to do with any of it.
00:11:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was such an innocent I mean it was so was Christine was an innocent victim. But he really had nothing to do with this family or any of it. So his mother, dear dre Fisher, actually appeared via video call, and she talked about how the Christmas tree that was up still up when he died, is still up in her house. She hasn't taken it down. She has his urn and his ashes underneath the tree and she says good morning to him every morning. I mean that is Oh, that's heartbreaking, she said. I can never unhear Joe's cries after he was shot, the cries of a dying man. Joe didn't deserve to be used and thrown away and treated as utterly disposable. She says to the judge, thank you for listening and weighing the trail of pain and loss that Juliana left in the wake of her calculated murder. That is significant and members of Christine Banfield's family. Of course, that's Brendan's wife. They attended the hearing, they were there in person in Fairfax County, but they were not permitted to speak because the manslaughter charge applied only to Joe Ryan's killing. So Juliana Maglay's were only pleaded guilty to killing Joe Ryan. That's who she admitted to killing, So she wasn't charged with anything to do with Christine Vanfield, so her family wasn't allowed to actually speak at the hearing.
00:13:00
Speaker 1: But consider that Robes. It's tough, but they're saying that Christine's Banfield's family is not a victim of Juliana Marglelaz. I know that's technically what it is, but that's that is hard to stomach.
00:13:13
Speaker 2: Because Juliana had such a personal relationship with Chris Christine. I mean, that was clear throughout the trial from both Juliana and from Brendan, So it's even that's a tough one. But after sentencing, Ryan's mom actually spoke up again, and I thought she was reacting to the judge's decision because when she was speaking, obviously she did not know what the judge was going to decide. Her reaction is is moving. She said I couldn't be happier about the judgment. It won't bring my son back, Joseph Ryan, but it proves to the world that he had value and that he was not disposable. He was loved by many, He was loved by me. He was a good man, and he was a great son. I don't need to forgive her. I just need to move on and know my son's memory is intact. I thought that was so important because his memory got decimated.
00:14:04
Speaker 1: He was discarded. He was nothing to these people. We're actually going to bring a stranger in to kill him so that we can frame him for killing somebody else. He was thrown Oh, he was trash. He was nothing to these people. And to think his family had to experience that for the past three years. It was that part. And I know what happened to Christine's awful. What happened to both of them was awful. But he was the one that just was an innocent bystander is something, and that it's not even on the street got caught up in gunfire or some acts. He was specifically targeted for death and framing.
00:14:43
Speaker 2: That's so evil, evil to.
00:14:47
Speaker 1: Do with anything. So this was this case. It was fascinating from start to finish, and I didn't know it was going to continue to be fascinating.
00:14:54
Speaker 2: I know this was this was a shocking ending, but I think you know it was the right ending for everyone. And by the way, Joe Ryan's mom and Christine Banfield's family will all be at Banfield sentencing. They will get a chance to speak up. Both of them will get to speak at that sentencing hearing which is happening on May eighth. Brendan Banfield facing life in prison without the possibility of parole. That will not be a shocking ending. But to hear these families finally get their say, to get to say what they want to Brendan and what they want to say to the judge. It's an important part of closure. Again, it doesn't bring back any of these victims, but it does give the family some sense of closure and a real sense of justice. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. We always appreciate you. I Amy Robuck alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Saturday, February fourteenth, and what a development in the so called O Pair affair murder trial. The old pair who made a sweet deal with prosecutors. Well, the judge just ripped up that sweet deal. She is not going free. In fact, she's going to prison for a long time. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rhobes. I did not see this one coming.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: Neither did I, and in fact, we had been obviously, if you all have been following our feed, you have been following this murder trial. We are talking about Brendan Banfield and his O pair turned lover. We are talking about Juliana maclays. They were both I mean, he was found guilty and she admitted guilt to conspiring to kill his wife Christine, and in doing so they lured a man over to the home to pin the murder on him and come out looking like heroes so they could live happily. Ever after, so Juliana Mogoles decides to go ahead and cooperate with the prosecution. She testified against Brendan Banfield, which led to a guilty verdict and boom her sentencing hearing. She's supposed to get out of jail free. Now. The prosecutors agreed to say, hey, we will give you your sentence as time served and you'll be on your way back home to Brazil if you testify for us.
00:01:25
Speaker 1: Boom. That was the deal. And frankly, you and I and a lot of people had a problem with this case in that it was his word against hers her word. She had very much an incentive to lie, to say whatever she wanted so she could get out of jail free. That was the deal deal with the prosecutors. You turn state's witness, testify for us, and we will let you off scott free with a she has a manslaughter conviction. But the prosecutor said, cut this deal with you, no jail time. That's what they've been preaching for months and throughout the entire trial.
00:01:58
Speaker 2: It didn't seem fair. You and I both thought it was pretty awful, And as a juror, I was thinking that might weigh in on their decision as to whether or not they even believed.
00:02:07
Speaker 1: Her, because she shot the fatal blow right.
00:02:09
Speaker 2: And she admitted to She admitted to actually shooting Joe Ryan, the man they lure to Brendan Banfield's home, and she delivered the fatal gunshot wound and she admitted it, and I believe the forensics verified that she essentially killed him.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: So here we are. Brendan Banfield got convicted a couple of weeks ago. He's going to jail the rest of his life. No possibility of parole, we were told. At the end of that trial, the prosecutors asked, judge, is Juliana good to go? Can she be released? Judges like, knock yourself out and do what you want with her. However, a little detail was missed is that you still have to formalize this process. A prosecutor can say whatever a prosecutor wants and make whatever deal a prosecutor wants, but the judge is the one who has to officially sign off on it. This judge, it was not on board.
00:02:56
Speaker 2: Wow, when we found out this news, our job both dropped because we covered this trial every single day and so this was not something we expected. But the judge in this case, yes, she went against the prosecution's recommendation and she gave Juliana Maglays the maximum possible sentence for manslaughter ten years plus a two another two years of a suspended sentence. So Juliana Magulays is not going home to Brazil. She is staying exactly where she's been since eight months after those murders.
00:03:30
Speaker 1: This is a hell of a development in this case. And Rhodes, I think as a juror, you might have looked at it a little differently if you knew this woman was already going to prison for ten years and has now shown up to testify.
00:03:42
Speaker 2: Oh, it would have absolutely changed what I thought of her testimony knowing that, And would she have testified though if she had known that, or would she have taken her chances with her trial. It's very interesting, but here the judge, what the judge did is one thing which was shocking. What the judge said to her, I think I think probably felt very satisfying to the families of the victims, and they certainly spoke afterwards too. So there's a lot to get to. But first off, the judge gave the list of reasons why why she decided to go against the prosecution's sweetheart deal. She said up until sentencing, Juliana offered no remorse. She said, when Christine Banfield yelled to her to call nine one one, she did not when Joe Ryan began to move after Brendan Banfield shot him in the head, he was not dead. She shot him in the chest to make sure he was dead. Those were the three reasons she said, you are not getting out of jail.
00:04:44
Speaker 1: It's incredible that the judge can look at it this way and that the prosecutor's prosecution looked at it another way, like you did all of this stuff, but we as prosecutors are willing to let you go because we want this other guy so badly. That's the justice system. It works like that. You go after the bigger fish and the one most responsible, but rodes the judge. I know this is awful for her, but I think this looks awful for the prosecution.
00:05:09
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it does too. And the judge actually admonished Juliana when she was given her sentence. She said, let's get it straight. You do not deserve anything other than incarceration and a life of reflection on what you have done to the victim and his family. May it weigh heavily on your soul. You do not deserve anything other than life in prison. So the judge, if she had her way, she made it very clear she would have sent Juliana Magalais to prison for the rest of her life period.
00:05:41
Speaker 1: This is the most I can do, and I'm hitting you with it. This was remarkable, and a lot of people will probably tell you this was the right thing.
00:05:48
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel it in my bones. It was the right thing. You said the same thing yesterday when we found out. You said this feels right.
00:05:55
Speaker 1: It does, and nothing about it. It all felt icky. The deal that was made, why she was doing it, the whole Netflix deal, the producers and gonna make a movie, and just her testimony, she didn't come off. Even if everything she said was correct and true, she still was not at the right messenger for it.
00:06:15
Speaker 2: She didn't seem remorseful at all, to the judge's point. Throughout that entire testimony, she seemed annoyed and irritated, and even in her back and forth love letters with Brendan Banfield, it was all about her and their love. It had nothing to do with any sadness of remorse about what happened to these two people. So interestingly enough, Juliana did get to speak to the victim's families and she was very emotional, but again was not emotional when she was testifying in that courtroom under oath during the trial, but at sentencing she said, with tears and sobs, I know my remorse cannot bring you peace. This next sentence got me. I want to hear your reaction to this. She then said to the victims' families, I hope you can sum day understand that I really did not believe his plan would actually happened.
00:07:06
Speaker 1: What this is top That's awful, Okay, that's that's just don't say it terrible. That's terrible. That's not taking responsibility. And there were so many You had so many opportunities, over so much time to stop. So that's that doesn't She's trying.
00:07:24
Speaker 2: She cares that the family thinks that she didn't really want to do it. What that's where your head is right now, in defense of your intentions. That is scary. So then she also Juliana said this to the judge, trying to again defend herself. I lost myself in a relationship and left my morals and values behind.
00:07:48
Speaker 1: Did you see the video? By chance?
00:07:49
Speaker 2: I didn't see the video.
00:07:50
Speaker 1: I'm curious how this came off. We just weren't able to get this up in front of us. I'm curious how that came off because on paper it comes off terribly.
00:07:57
Speaker 2: Oh, it comes off terribly. But listen to what the judge said back to Juliana after she's literally this was a back and forth. So Juliana says, I lost myself in a relationship, Judge, I left my morals and values behind. Judge. She's trying to get the judge to agree to the sentencing. The judge says this to Juliana, you were texting and speaking to Joseph Ryan, encouraging him to bring a knife and ultimately through the phone conversation getting his consent, knowing all along you were bringing him to his death.
00:08:29
Speaker 1: That's a good clap back, if you will. To your statement just doesn't fly. You are luring a man. You are literally luring a man, and it's the whole story is awful. But this was a button to this story that again, I'm never a happy in some case like this, but it just didn't feel satisfactory. When he was going to prison and the prosecutors were telling us she was going home to Brazil, it just didn't feel right. This, at least some semblance of justice gets closer with this.
00:09:04
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, And so when we come back. We're going to tell you what the victims' families said to Juliana. They were able to actually Joe Ryan's mom and An were actually able to directly speak to her, and will tell you why the family of Christine Banfield did not get that same opportunity. Right.
00:09:32
Speaker 1: We continue here on Amy and TJ with the pretty shocking development that the O Pair and the Old Pair affair trial after making a sweetheart deal with prosecutors to get no jail time, judge refused to sign off on that and sentenced her to ten years in Prison's Victim impact statements are so important in these cases. Yes, they can have an impact on what the judge does, but Robes, this is their one moment. They've sat for years. This the murder was twenty twenty e twenty twenty three, it's twenty twenty six. They've been waiting for finality in all this. Well, I am so glad that so much focus was on Joe Ryan.
00:10:08
Speaker 2: I agree in this because it wasn't during the trial. And let's just point out again we're assuming that most of you all followed along with us reporting on this trial, but not only did Brendan Banfield in his trial say he didn't kill Christine or Joe for the reasons why anyone said they did. They also, Brendan's theory or Brendan's narrative made it seem as though Joe Ryan was some sadistic fiend who came over with a knife in this violent sex act and stabbed Christine Banfield for no apparent reason other than pure sadistical joy. I mean, that would have to be the implication. So not only did he malign Joe Ryan, he also maligned Christine Banfield and made it seem like she also had deviant sexual needs and that she had had affairs. None of that was proven. So his convictions say he killed these two and then he tried to kill their reputations to defend him. So imagine you're the family members. You've lost your loved ones, and you have this murderer telling the world that your beloved family member was a horrible person. It was evil, evil, evil evil, and.
00:11:19
Speaker 1: We get it. But we didn't hear a whole lot about Joe Ryan, his background, what he was about, what he liked, or he just wasn't the focus of the trial and victim impact statements. His family showed up and I'm and I was happy to see that we got to hear more about him and hear from them, because we really didn't. And he was the one guy in this whole thing that had nothing to do with any of it.
00:11:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was such an innocent I mean it was so was Christine was an innocent victim. But he really had nothing to do with this family or any of it. So his mother, dear dre Fisher, actually appeared via video call, and she talked about how the Christmas tree that was up still up when he died, is still up in her house. She hasn't taken it down. She has his urn and his ashes underneath the tree and she says good morning to him every morning. I mean that is Oh, that's heartbreaking, she said. I can never unhear Joe's cries after he was shot, the cries of a dying man. Joe didn't deserve to be used and thrown away and treated as utterly disposable. She says to the judge, thank you for listening and weighing the trail of pain and loss that Juliana left in the wake of her calculated murder. That is significant and members of Christine Banfield's family. Of course, that's Brendan's wife. They attended the hearing, they were there in person in Fairfax County, but they were not permitted to speak because the manslaughter charge applied only to Joe Ryan's killing. So Juliana Maglay's were only pleaded guilty to killing Joe Ryan. That's who she admitted to killing, So she wasn't charged with anything to do with Christine Vanfield, so her family wasn't allowed to actually speak at the hearing.
00:13:00
Speaker 1: But consider that Robes. It's tough, but they're saying that Christine's Banfield's family is not a victim of Juliana Marglelaz. I know that's technically what it is, but that's that is hard to stomach.
00:13:13
Speaker 2: Because Juliana had such a personal relationship with Chris Christine. I mean, that was clear throughout the trial from both Juliana and from Brendan, So it's even that's a tough one. But after sentencing, Ryan's mom actually spoke up again, and I thought she was reacting to the judge's decision because when she was speaking, obviously she did not know what the judge was going to decide. Her reaction is is moving. She said I couldn't be happier about the judgment. It won't bring my son back, Joseph Ryan, but it proves to the world that he had value and that he was not disposable. He was loved by many, He was loved by me. He was a good man, and he was a great son. I don't need to forgive her. I just need to move on and know my son's memory is intact. I thought that was so important because his memory got decimated.
00:14:04
Speaker 1: He was discarded. He was nothing to these people. We're actually going to bring a stranger in to kill him so that we can frame him for killing somebody else. He was thrown Oh, he was trash. He was nothing to these people. And to think his family had to experience that for the past three years. It was that part. And I know what happened to Christine's awful. What happened to both of them was awful. But he was the one that just was an innocent bystander is something, and that it's not even on the street got caught up in gunfire or some acts. He was specifically targeted for death and framing.
00:14:43
Speaker 2: That's so evil, evil to.
00:14:47
Speaker 1: Do with anything. So this was this case. It was fascinating from start to finish, and I didn't know it was going to continue to be fascinating.
00:14:54
Speaker 2: I know this was this was a shocking ending, but I think you know it was the right ending for everyone. And by the way, Joe Ryan's mom and Christine Banfield's family will all be at Banfield sentencing. They will get a chance to speak up. Both of them will get to speak at that sentencing hearing which is happening on May eighth. Brendan Banfield facing life in prison without the possibility of parole. That will not be a shocking ending. But to hear these families finally get their say, to get to say what they want to Brendan and what they want to say to the judge. It's an important part of closure. Again, it doesn't bring back any of these victims, but it does give the family some sense of closure and a real sense of justice. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. We always appreciate you. I Amy Robuck alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.