June 16, 2026
Judge Incarcerates Anna Kepner’s Step Brother, Says He Could “Snap At Any Time”
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RSS Feed 16-year-old Timothy Hudson is waking up in federal custody this morning for the first time since he was charged with the murder and sexual assault of his 18-year-old stepsister, Anna Kepner. Now that Hudson is being tried as an adult, a judge reversed his earlier decision of allowing Hudson to remain in the custody of his uncle as he awaits trial. But the judge went even further in his ruling, saying Hudson’s alleged crime “suggests a level of psychopathy and lack of remorse” that raises concerns he could snap at any time.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: Shit is Tuesday, June sixteenth, and the sixteen year old accused of sexually assaulting and killing his own stepsister on a carnival cruise has been taken into custody where he will have to stay through his trial because the judge thinks the kid might be a psychopath. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
00:00:28
Speaker 1: Robes.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: The judge as now decided he wants this kid to stay in custody, and he wrote some pretty strong words and I wasn't overstating it.
00:00:36
Speaker 1: He think the kid might be a psychopath.
00:00:38
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And this is a stunning reversal because we were surprised once he was charged as an adult that he was still allowed to go back home with his mother's brother, so his maternal uncle, and live in a home where there were young children. The prosecutors had been arguing against it from the beginning because of that, and now the judge, when you will go through his order, seems to fervently agree with prosecutors now.
00:01:08
Speaker 2: And again, this kid is sixteen years old. The story made headlines, and it has been making headlines for a month. Anna Kepner is the young lady's name. Eighteen year old who was found dead Robe. She was tucked under a bed in her cabin on a carnival cruise with her family. Body was covered by blankets and covered by life jackets. But the brother eventually was charged sixteen years old, like you said, initially as a juvenile, now as an adult. They did send him back home Robes, where he has been even since he's charged as an adult. For how long it's been two months?
00:01:41
Speaker 1: Maybe?
00:01:41
Speaker 3: Well, he was charged in February and then in April he was charged as an adult, so yeah, it's been a couple of months. He's been back living with his uncle and his family.
00:01:51
Speaker 2: So the prosecution has been requesting that this kid be held Robes. Given the nature of the crime. If he wasn't sixteen, we wouldn't expect someone accused of this, not just murder, sexual assault.
00:02:06
Speaker 1: This is some awful stuff they're describing ropes.
00:02:10
Speaker 2: I can imagine any judge letting anybody accuse of this out absolutely.
00:02:13
Speaker 3: And this is unusual because yes, it's unusual for someone this age to commit or to be accused of committing a crime so violent and so heinous against one's own family member. But it's also unusual for a teenager to be charged in federal court because this turns into a federal case because the crime reportedly happened in international water. So there's all sorts of different protocols now that they're following that maybe wouldn't be necessary if this were if this were in a state court, if this were in FLORIDASQ.
00:02:47
Speaker 4: This is a federal.
00:02:48
Speaker 3: Case, so it's unusual to have a sixteen year old be the defendant.
00:02:54
Speaker 1: So the sixteen year old.
00:02:55
Speaker 2: Now, again, this was a request put in earlier by the prosecution making an argument that they wanted the kid to be remanded. We are just now robes getting the full texts of the judge's order, and as of this morning, Tuesday morning, as of last night, the kid officially is in custody.
00:03:15
Speaker 3: Yes, he's surrendered to US Marshals on Monday, and he is officially in custody. And the prosecutor's case finally was acknowledged by the judge as clear and convincing. I believe he said beyond clear and convincing. And we can read some of what the judge put in his order, because really you have to hear it to believe that he is and uses very strong language He says, the government has established, by clear and convincing evidence that no condition or combination of conditions of release will reasonably assure the safety of the community going forward.
00:03:52
Speaker 4: That is very strong language. He said.
00:03:55
Speaker 3: The danger posed by the conduct charged here is sufficient by itself required attention. A now decreed adult defendant charged on probable cause with deliberately taking a human life and sexually assaulting his victim in the course of doing so presents a danger to himself and to others that know curfew, monitor or custodial placement can be trusted to contain.
00:04:20
Speaker 2: There reminded me of some of the language the judge had of. Frankly, the other big trial we watched was Diddy, and I remember he asked and asked and asked. He was willing to put up the fifty million dollar house, any monitor you want, bring in any security team, and the judge said, there ain't nothing you get offer, based on your behavior and why we're here that would make.
00:04:41
Speaker 1: Me feel comfortable. You're not a threat to the community.
00:04:44
Speaker 2: This judge, the kid is sixteen, got two adults in the house looking after him. He said, there ain't nothing I can do that makes me feel like I'm not putting a menace back out there on the street.
00:04:53
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it.
00:04:54
Speaker 3: If Timothy Hudson is guilty of what he is being charged with, he committed a brazen sexual assault and murder with his family on board this same ship as him. That is beyond bold. Everybody safe, right, And no one suggested he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So for him to be capable of that knowing his parents, his grandparents, his siblings were sleeping just steps away, that's frightening.
00:05:27
Speaker 1: And they've had him in the house with two their.
00:05:29
Speaker 3: Younger Yes, I have chills from head to toe imagining what that uncle was thinking, feeling okay, to the point where the judge, and we'll get into it, gets into language basically saying what the hell like, how could I allow this sixteen year old near children sleeping? And then you have to ask, how could how could the parents of those children have been okay with that unless for some reason they believe he's innocent.
00:05:57
Speaker 2: And they want to believe, they want to believe he's a good kid, they want to believe they could just have a positive influence on this kid, and their hearts probably in the right place. But my goodness, Robe, the judge makes some very good points. If someone with no history is capable in a moment of that, then we have no idea what he could do in the next moment, the next moment, the next I mean, agreed, agreed, That makes perfect sense. You talk about the clean criminal history. The judge even references that because typically that would work in a defendant's favor to potentially be able to be out of jail awaiting trial. But the judge goes on to say a clean history is reassuring only if it predicts future conduct, and an offense of this gravity allegedly committed without antecedent warning excuse me, without antecedent warning signs undermines the predictive comfort that a clean record usually provides compliance with conditions for a period of months while the most serious charges were pending and the defendant was unnotice that his liberty depended on good behavior is likewise of limitive probative value as to how he would behave over the longer and more uncertain road to trial. He makes excellent points here. The point is it works exactly in your favor. It scares the hell out of me that you don't have a record of anything, and then you were accused of this. Yeah, that makes sense. We didn't see this coming. We have no idea what's coming.
00:07:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one saw it coming obviously. Anna Keepner was given the opportunity to sleep in multiple rooms. I think the family it had grandparents, parents, and then kids, and they had so they had three rooms on the cruise ship. And even her grandparents said they offered her the ability to stay in their room. The parents, I believe, had two of the siblings in their room, or at least one of them. So she chose to stay with her stepbrother. She did not fear. I think that's a very fair thing to say. She did not fear sleeping in a cabin with Timothy.
00:07:59
Speaker 4: Huh.
00:08:00
Speaker 2: And there of another boy there with them, right, a younger.
00:08:04
Speaker 3: Yep, a younger sibling, And so she wasn't afraid. The parents had no concern because I will tell you, when you have especially step brothers and stepsisters and different genders, it's uncomfortable.
00:08:15
Speaker 4: When you have an.
00:08:16
Speaker 3: Eighteen year old girl and a sixteen year old boy. They have to change clothes, they have to There are just some things and they're not look they aren't blood relatives, and they were fairly new step siblings. They had only been I think a family so to speak, where the marriage for a little over a year. Even if that, I don't think it had been a year. So that's already uncomfortable. So she had to feel really safe with him and really okay with him to share a room with him at that age, And that speaks to just the deep concern this judge is referencing. But I think this last bit was the most damning of them all. So the judge said, Hudson's alleged crime quote suggests a level of psychopathy and the lack of remorse that by itself raises a serious concern that Hudson can snap at any time, despite the well meaning and serious efforts of his caretakers to make sure that doesn't happen. Woo, and he references the kids in the uncle's house. He says the natural response removing him from contact with vulnerable household members points to detention, not a condition short of it.
00:09:26
Speaker 2: That's all we can do to protect people, because we don't know what he's capable of. Yes, everybody is innocent until proven guilty, but judges have a different responsibility right now, he has the responsibility to err on the side of protecting the public given all he's seen. And Robe is a sixteen year old with no signs, And what they're describing is who is capable of that? And to think of a monster ten year old with no history just does that overnight? What is going on with this kid?
00:09:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, while on a beautiful full cruise vacation with his family days before Thanksgiving. It's it's a dream for most kids.
00:10:07
Speaker 2: But still that role, Well, how do you think you're gonna get away with this? You're you're bunking with her, and you're you bizarre. You can't snap out of whatever you were in to realize this is a no win.
00:10:18
Speaker 3: Like what is Yeah, that is he wasn't gonna get away with it, obviously. I would think almost everyone at a certain age, especially knows there are cameras everywhere. You can see who went in, who went out. Obviously she was going to be found. I mean, this is just it. It's bizarre and deeply concerning, and it sounds like the judge made a very sound decision. When we come back, we're gonna tell you what Timothy Hudson's own mom has said about his detention, and we'll talk about what's next for Timothy Hudson. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about Timothy Hudson, who is waking up for the first time since he has been charged with the murder and sexual assault of his stepsister. He is waking up behind bars. He is in federal custody. He surrendered to US marshals on Monday after a judge reversed his initial order and said, Nope, you cannot be in your uncle's home with family members awaiting trial. You are dangerous to yourself to this community, and you must be behind bars. And so he is now being treated like the adult he is charged as in this heinous crime that he's accused of. But Timothy Hudson's mom, you know, I guess I didn't realize this, but she signed this joint statement along with her husband. So Anna Kepner's father and Timothy Hudson's mother put out a joint statement and they both expressed outrage that Timothy Hudson was allowed to go live with her brother. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, isn't that interesting? Though her brother wanted him to live with them. His own mother did not.
00:12:15
Speaker 2: Look, who knows what the dynamics of that family and that relationship are, what the uncle's relationship might be with the kid, and maybe things he can help in some way, But it's behind the scenes.
00:12:25
Speaker 1: It's a mess something. Yeah it's a mess, but.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: She but it does It is telling that the mom herself.
00:12:31
Speaker 4: Wants him behind bars. Here's the actual statement.
00:12:33
Speaker 3: It says, at this time, it is deeply painful and disturbing to our family that the person responsible is able to walk freely. This reality adds to our grief and outrage. It is devastating to know that while we live every day with the loss of our child, the individual responsible has not yet been fully held accountable. I find that statement and look, he was written by both Anna Kepner's father and Timothy Hudson's mother. But to refer to him as just this unknown being or it sounds like some outside evil or some other person's child who's committed a heinous crime against their child. It was very clinical and strange to I thought it was strangely worded. Yeah, maybe they just can't say his name.
00:13:19
Speaker 2: It was a joint I mean, this was several of them. What do you call them the individual who who? And again it's a joint statement, so maybe somebody didn't necessarily feel what would you want to call this person your son or family member?
00:13:33
Speaker 1: Timothy?
00:13:34
Speaker 4: What would you want to would thh even his initials?
00:13:37
Speaker 3: But it was just strange the way they described him and almost disassociated him from their family, And that seems like how they may be operating. But you know, I was reading in this court order because the prosecution obviously was continuing to lay out its case to the judge to make this ruling to keep Timothy Hudson behind bars.
00:13:58
Speaker 4: But I don't know that I had heard this detail before.
00:14:01
Speaker 3: So they know that Hudson, Timothy Hudson, and Anna Keepner were alone in the cabin from seven to fifty one pm to eleven twenty one pm on the night she died, and her Apple Watch actually stopped working during this time, so prosecutors say they pretty much know the time, the exact time of her death because her heart rate stopped on her Apple Watch. How crazy is that they know he was there and they know she was there when her heart stopped. I mean that Apple watch, that technology. I had not had you heard that detail yet? Oh?
00:14:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some more and more of these cases that we've seen were over they're being solved and time of death and not just tracking where somebody might have been, but what was their heart rate at the time, how active were they They've been cases where people think an attack has took place then because that person's heart rate was so worked up. It These things are kind of amazing, But they know an exact death robes. The evidence now that included just adds up. I don't know. I would I want to hear what defense they're gonna get.
00:15:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what could they possibly say?
00:15:09
Speaker 3: My only thought was that I don't know if they were going to try to say she came on to him and he panicked and or he they had sex and she said she was going to tell. But even still, it's still I don't know how he could try to say he did. He's going to have to try to give a reason, and self defense is the only reason you can give. Correct, there is no other defense for murder.
00:15:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, then explain the sexual assault.
00:15:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's impossible.
00:15:35
Speaker 1: She's an eighteen year old girl. Oh yet you can't.
00:15:38
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're going to do.
00:15:39
Speaker 3: Also, in the autopsy and This is part of what the judge talked about, just the cruel the cruelty of what he did. And I think we've discussed this before, but the autopsies that it took anywhere from three to five minutes for him to strangle her to asphyxiate her.
00:15:54
Speaker 4: That is an eternity.
00:15:57
Speaker 3: Imagine just put your watch on and just let three minutes go by where someone is struggling for their life and you are like putting on the incredible force to try. And that is you say. I know the judge used the word snapped. We don't know when he'll snap next, but my god, he stayed snapped for quite some time. Oh it's not like you have a gun and you fire it and you just know. This is an extended, brutal way to kill someone.
00:16:25
Speaker 2: And again there was a sexual assault.
00:16:28
Speaker 4: In the middle before she died.
00:16:31
Speaker 2: Throw that into this went on for a while. And didn't the little brother say he couldn't get into the room. Yeah, so he couldn't get in or something for a while. And I don't know what they're going to come up with to say, but insanity.
00:16:43
Speaker 4: Do you know what?
00:16:44
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that, But you're right, that's probably what they're going to go for. That wouldn't be That's one of the hardest defenses, yes, to prove, and look, it seems as though, as you pointed out, as the judge pointed out, he had no prior issues, so that's going to be difficult to explain. But his trial is set for September, and he will be in custody until his trial date and will continue to follow any developments that may happen before we get to court. But until then, we always appreciate you listening to us.
00:17:15
Speaker 4: Everyone. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside DJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: Shit is Tuesday, June sixteenth, and the sixteen year old accused of sexually assaulting and killing his own stepsister on a carnival cruise has been taken into custody where he will have to stay through his trial because the judge thinks the kid might be a psychopath. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
00:00:28
Speaker 1: Robes.
00:00:28
Speaker 2: The judge as now decided he wants this kid to stay in custody, and he wrote some pretty strong words and I wasn't overstating it.
00:00:36
Speaker 1: He think the kid might be a psychopath.
00:00:38
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And this is a stunning reversal because we were surprised once he was charged as an adult that he was still allowed to go back home with his mother's brother, so his maternal uncle, and live in a home where there were young children. The prosecutors had been arguing against it from the beginning because of that, and now the judge, when you will go through his order, seems to fervently agree with prosecutors now.
00:01:08
Speaker 2: And again, this kid is sixteen years old. The story made headlines, and it has been making headlines for a month. Anna Kepner is the young lady's name. Eighteen year old who was found dead Robe. She was tucked under a bed in her cabin on a carnival cruise with her family. Body was covered by blankets and covered by life jackets. But the brother eventually was charged sixteen years old, like you said, initially as a juvenile, now as an adult. They did send him back home Robes, where he has been even since he's charged as an adult. For how long it's been two months?
00:01:41
Speaker 1: Maybe?
00:01:41
Speaker 3: Well, he was charged in February and then in April he was charged as an adult, so yeah, it's been a couple of months. He's been back living with his uncle and his family.
00:01:51
Speaker 2: So the prosecution has been requesting that this kid be held Robes. Given the nature of the crime. If he wasn't sixteen, we wouldn't expect someone accused of this, not just murder, sexual assault.
00:02:06
Speaker 1: This is some awful stuff they're describing ropes.
00:02:10
Speaker 2: I can imagine any judge letting anybody accuse of this out absolutely.
00:02:13
Speaker 3: And this is unusual because yes, it's unusual for someone this age to commit or to be accused of committing a crime so violent and so heinous against one's own family member. But it's also unusual for a teenager to be charged in federal court because this turns into a federal case because the crime reportedly happened in international water. So there's all sorts of different protocols now that they're following that maybe wouldn't be necessary if this were if this were in a state court, if this were in FLORIDASQ.
00:02:47
Speaker 4: This is a federal.
00:02:48
Speaker 3: Case, so it's unusual to have a sixteen year old be the defendant.
00:02:54
Speaker 1: So the sixteen year old.
00:02:55
Speaker 2: Now, again, this was a request put in earlier by the prosecution making an argument that they wanted the kid to be remanded. We are just now robes getting the full texts of the judge's order, and as of this morning, Tuesday morning, as of last night, the kid officially is in custody.
00:03:15
Speaker 3: Yes, he's surrendered to US Marshals on Monday, and he is officially in custody. And the prosecutor's case finally was acknowledged by the judge as clear and convincing. I believe he said beyond clear and convincing. And we can read some of what the judge put in his order, because really you have to hear it to believe that he is and uses very strong language He says, the government has established, by clear and convincing evidence that no condition or combination of conditions of release will reasonably assure the safety of the community going forward.
00:03:52
Speaker 4: That is very strong language. He said.
00:03:55
Speaker 3: The danger posed by the conduct charged here is sufficient by itself required attention. A now decreed adult defendant charged on probable cause with deliberately taking a human life and sexually assaulting his victim in the course of doing so presents a danger to himself and to others that know curfew, monitor or custodial placement can be trusted to contain.
00:04:20
Speaker 2: There reminded me of some of the language the judge had of. Frankly, the other big trial we watched was Diddy, and I remember he asked and asked and asked. He was willing to put up the fifty million dollar house, any monitor you want, bring in any security team, and the judge said, there ain't nothing you get offer, based on your behavior and why we're here that would make.
00:04:41
Speaker 1: Me feel comfortable. You're not a threat to the community.
00:04:44
Speaker 2: This judge, the kid is sixteen, got two adults in the house looking after him. He said, there ain't nothing I can do that makes me feel like I'm not putting a menace back out there on the street.
00:04:53
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it.
00:04:54
Speaker 3: If Timothy Hudson is guilty of what he is being charged with, he committed a brazen sexual assault and murder with his family on board this same ship as him. That is beyond bold. Everybody safe, right, And no one suggested he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs. So for him to be capable of that knowing his parents, his grandparents, his siblings were sleeping just steps away, that's frightening.
00:05:27
Speaker 1: And they've had him in the house with two their.
00:05:29
Speaker 3: Younger Yes, I have chills from head to toe imagining what that uncle was thinking, feeling okay, to the point where the judge, and we'll get into it, gets into language basically saying what the hell like, how could I allow this sixteen year old near children sleeping? And then you have to ask, how could how could the parents of those children have been okay with that unless for some reason they believe he's innocent.
00:05:57
Speaker 2: And they want to believe, they want to believe he's a good kid, they want to believe they could just have a positive influence on this kid, and their hearts probably in the right place. But my goodness, Robe, the judge makes some very good points. If someone with no history is capable in a moment of that, then we have no idea what he could do in the next moment, the next moment, the next I mean, agreed, agreed, That makes perfect sense. You talk about the clean criminal history. The judge even references that because typically that would work in a defendant's favor to potentially be able to be out of jail awaiting trial. But the judge goes on to say a clean history is reassuring only if it predicts future conduct, and an offense of this gravity allegedly committed without antecedent warning excuse me, without antecedent warning signs undermines the predictive comfort that a clean record usually provides compliance with conditions for a period of months while the most serious charges were pending and the defendant was unnotice that his liberty depended on good behavior is likewise of limitive probative value as to how he would behave over the longer and more uncertain road to trial. He makes excellent points here. The point is it works exactly in your favor. It scares the hell out of me that you don't have a record of anything, and then you were accused of this. Yeah, that makes sense. We didn't see this coming. We have no idea what's coming.
00:07:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one saw it coming obviously. Anna Keepner was given the opportunity to sleep in multiple rooms. I think the family it had grandparents, parents, and then kids, and they had so they had three rooms on the cruise ship. And even her grandparents said they offered her the ability to stay in their room. The parents, I believe, had two of the siblings in their room, or at least one of them. So she chose to stay with her stepbrother. She did not fear. I think that's a very fair thing to say. She did not fear sleeping in a cabin with Timothy.
00:07:59
Speaker 4: Huh.
00:08:00
Speaker 2: And there of another boy there with them, right, a younger.
00:08:04
Speaker 3: Yep, a younger sibling, And so she wasn't afraid. The parents had no concern because I will tell you, when you have especially step brothers and stepsisters and different genders, it's uncomfortable.
00:08:15
Speaker 4: When you have an.
00:08:16
Speaker 3: Eighteen year old girl and a sixteen year old boy. They have to change clothes, they have to There are just some things and they're not look they aren't blood relatives, and they were fairly new step siblings. They had only been I think a family so to speak, where the marriage for a little over a year. Even if that, I don't think it had been a year. So that's already uncomfortable. So she had to feel really safe with him and really okay with him to share a room with him at that age, And that speaks to just the deep concern this judge is referencing. But I think this last bit was the most damning of them all. So the judge said, Hudson's alleged crime quote suggests a level of psychopathy and the lack of remorse that by itself raises a serious concern that Hudson can snap at any time, despite the well meaning and serious efforts of his caretakers to make sure that doesn't happen. Woo, and he references the kids in the uncle's house. He says the natural response removing him from contact with vulnerable household members points to detention, not a condition short of it.
00:09:26
Speaker 2: That's all we can do to protect people, because we don't know what he's capable of. Yes, everybody is innocent until proven guilty, but judges have a different responsibility right now, he has the responsibility to err on the side of protecting the public given all he's seen. And Robe is a sixteen year old with no signs, And what they're describing is who is capable of that? And to think of a monster ten year old with no history just does that overnight? What is going on with this kid?
00:09:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, while on a beautiful full cruise vacation with his family days before Thanksgiving. It's it's a dream for most kids.
00:10:07
Speaker 2: But still that role, Well, how do you think you're gonna get away with this? You're you're bunking with her, and you're you bizarre. You can't snap out of whatever you were in to realize this is a no win.
00:10:18
Speaker 3: Like what is Yeah, that is he wasn't gonna get away with it, obviously. I would think almost everyone at a certain age, especially knows there are cameras everywhere. You can see who went in, who went out. Obviously she was going to be found. I mean, this is just it. It's bizarre and deeply concerning, and it sounds like the judge made a very sound decision. When we come back, we're gonna tell you what Timothy Hudson's own mom has said about his detention, and we'll talk about what's next for Timothy Hudson. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about Timothy Hudson, who is waking up for the first time since he has been charged with the murder and sexual assault of his stepsister. He is waking up behind bars. He is in federal custody. He surrendered to US marshals on Monday after a judge reversed his initial order and said, Nope, you cannot be in your uncle's home with family members awaiting trial. You are dangerous to yourself to this community, and you must be behind bars. And so he is now being treated like the adult he is charged as in this heinous crime that he's accused of. But Timothy Hudson's mom, you know, I guess I didn't realize this, but she signed this joint statement along with her husband. So Anna Kepner's father and Timothy Hudson's mother put out a joint statement and they both expressed outrage that Timothy Hudson was allowed to go live with her brother. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, isn't that interesting? Though her brother wanted him to live with them. His own mother did not.
00:12:15
Speaker 2: Look, who knows what the dynamics of that family and that relationship are, what the uncle's relationship might be with the kid, and maybe things he can help in some way, But it's behind the scenes.
00:12:25
Speaker 1: It's a mess something. Yeah it's a mess, but.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: She but it does It is telling that the mom herself.
00:12:31
Speaker 4: Wants him behind bars. Here's the actual statement.
00:12:33
Speaker 3: It says, at this time, it is deeply painful and disturbing to our family that the person responsible is able to walk freely. This reality adds to our grief and outrage. It is devastating to know that while we live every day with the loss of our child, the individual responsible has not yet been fully held accountable. I find that statement and look, he was written by both Anna Kepner's father and Timothy Hudson's mother. But to refer to him as just this unknown being or it sounds like some outside evil or some other person's child who's committed a heinous crime against their child. It was very clinical and strange to I thought it was strangely worded. Yeah, maybe they just can't say his name.
00:13:19
Speaker 2: It was a joint I mean, this was several of them. What do you call them the individual who who? And again it's a joint statement, so maybe somebody didn't necessarily feel what would you want to call this person your son or family member?
00:13:33
Speaker 1: Timothy?
00:13:34
Speaker 4: What would you want to would thh even his initials?
00:13:37
Speaker 3: But it was just strange the way they described him and almost disassociated him from their family, And that seems like how they may be operating. But you know, I was reading in this court order because the prosecution obviously was continuing to lay out its case to the judge to make this ruling to keep Timothy Hudson behind bars.
00:13:58
Speaker 4: But I don't know that I had heard this detail before.
00:14:01
Speaker 3: So they know that Hudson, Timothy Hudson, and Anna Keepner were alone in the cabin from seven to fifty one pm to eleven twenty one pm on the night she died, and her Apple Watch actually stopped working during this time, so prosecutors say they pretty much know the time, the exact time of her death because her heart rate stopped on her Apple Watch. How crazy is that they know he was there and they know she was there when her heart stopped. I mean that Apple watch, that technology. I had not had you heard that detail yet? Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some more and more of these cases that we've seen were over they're being solved and time of death and not just tracking where somebody might have been, but what was their heart rate at the time, how active were they They've been cases where people think an attack has took place then because that person's heart rate was so worked up. It These things are kind of amazing, But they know an exact death robes. The evidence now that included just adds up. I don't know. I would I want to hear what defense they're gonna get.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what what could they possibly say?
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Speaker 3: My only thought was that I don't know if they were going to try to say she came on to him and he panicked and or he they had sex and she said she was going to tell. But even still, it's still I don't know how he could try to say he did. He's going to have to try to give a reason, and self defense is the only reason you can give. Correct, there is no other defense for murder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, then explain the sexual assault.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's impossible.
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Speaker 1: She's an eighteen year old girl. Oh yet you can't.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what they're going to do.
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Speaker 3: Also, in the autopsy and This is part of what the judge talked about, just the cruel the cruelty of what he did. And I think we've discussed this before, but the autopsies that it took anywhere from three to five minutes for him to strangle her to asphyxiate her.
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Speaker 4: That is an eternity.
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Speaker 3: Imagine just put your watch on and just let three minutes go by where someone is struggling for their life and you are like putting on the incredible force to try. And that is you say. I know the judge used the word snapped. We don't know when he'll snap next, but my god, he stayed snapped for quite some time. Oh it's not like you have a gun and you fire it and you just know. This is an extended, brutal way to kill someone.
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Speaker 2: And again there was a sexual assault.
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Speaker 4: In the middle before she died.
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Speaker 2: Throw that into this went on for a while. And didn't the little brother say he couldn't get into the room. Yeah, so he couldn't get in or something for a while. And I don't know what they're going to come up with to say, but insanity.
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Speaker 4: Do you know what?
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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that, But you're right, that's probably what they're going to go for. That wouldn't be That's one of the hardest defenses, yes, to prove, and look, it seems as though, as you pointed out, as the judge pointed out, he had no prior issues, so that's going to be difficult to explain. But his trial is set for September, and he will be in custody until his trial date and will continue to follow any developments that may happen before we get to court. But until then, we always appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 4: Everyone. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside DJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.