Feb. 19, 2026
It's getting HOT in here with Peyton List (S3 E15 "Hot Child In The City")
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Here we go.
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Speaker 1: So they go out and then they go to Carrie's, right, because we've just seen her serving the lemonade and the cookies. They go to Carrey's and they're gonna have sex, and his mom calls, which is just so embarrassing, but she really has a valid question, did you give the dog his medice? It's entirely a valid question, It's very valid. I was like, you should have told your mom that you gave the dog the medicine, because that's really important.
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Speaker 3: This is something that is a timely issue.
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Speaker 1: We exactly exactly, but it does put a little bit of a wrinkle in there, you know, making out session or whatever. Then they go back to his house. The parents are supposedly out of town, I guess, and they smoke pot and I was trying to remember, well, wait, before they smoke pot, they play Hot Child in the City. And the thing that's really funny is that sir Jessica loves seventies music. Basically, OK, I don't know if Hot Child in the City's eighties. I don't know, but something right previous this is Siassica, It's records, and like this era is Sara Jesska, Like she plays this at work for all of us, and it really made me laugh because I think at this point in time, I don't think I realized how much this music resonated with her and how much she loved it.
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Speaker 2: But now it's really really obvious to all of us.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I can't turn on the seventies station without just being flooded with memories of Sestic you know, which I love because we're the same era.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 1: I have all memories to those songs too, but now I have memories of her enjoying those songs.
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Speaker 2: So when I.
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Speaker 1: Watched her in the thrill on her face, you know, over hot Child in the City, it's really adorable. Then he gets out his weed, which is also I don't really remember her smoking pot in the show before. I don't know, am I crazy? I don't really remember it. I mean I feel like it was certainly around, you know, but it wasn't. You weren't really seeing your characters on.
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Speaker 2: TV smoking it?
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Speaker 1: No, especially not out of like a weird bong made out of like a bottle or whatever. What the heck I mean we are back to the whole high school of it all. Yeah, it was so charming. Yeah, it's so charming and very retro like.
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Speaker 4: But it was it felt like, and this may have been like to my age at the time, but it felt a lot more risky than right today, totally a lot of places, right, that wasn't really the case back Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't the case at all back then, though, I do feel like it was prevalent, Like, oh, definitely, really prevalent, really really prevalent, just not legal, right, yes, right, definitely.
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Speaker 4: And not put on television as much unless they're doing a hippy movie about the seventies, right right, right.
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Speaker 1: Like the McConaughey movie that he's yes, like that obviously that's the point of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it was like a little walk on that side of the totally of the world. But it's pretty funny. So they get high and they're eating KFC I guess, yeah, and the parents come home they see them down below, but they're high and they act like teenagers and it's pretty funny. And Sarah was like super.
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Speaker 2: Game, which she really did it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he's very charming, this guy who apparently never acted after that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: He just career in radio took off.
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Speaker 1: His career in radio took off. I guess, we don't know. We've got to find out. We've got to find out. But they were very charming together, I thought, And it seemed like Sir Jusca was really really having a good time. So I really liked the moment his mom comes in and basically he says, Carrie brought the pot, mom, because she he tells Carrie really quickly right that they're going to ask him to leave if again because they previously asked him to leave, and so he's like, carry brought it and they push it on Carrie, and the voiceaver says something like, you know, like all women I have to you know, you know, what's the word like take responsibility or whatever. She said something like that, take responsibility for myself, and she takes the blame, but.
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Speaker 3: She also I know, it's so funny.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember anything.
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Speaker 1: I was really watching it like with just a total enjoyment, except for my part where I was like what on earth?
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Speaker 4: I was so curious to know what your your take on your your storyline was, But you don't remember it.
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Speaker 3: So many questions.
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Speaker 1: I have no memory whatsoever, Eggs, No, I do have a memory.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I lied.
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Speaker 1: I have no memory.
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Speaker 2: Of being in the therapist office.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely have a memory of when I catch a masturbating, but in my mind. And this is why you can't trust your own memory, right, But it's all we've got. I thought that comes much later. I didn't know that came like two episodes after we get married. I would have said it was fourth season or something. I thought it was when things were like totally not working, like it's shocking to me. Beautiful wedding and all the hope and then.
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Speaker 2: Things are just bad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, like we're not having sex. I was thinking that I'm going to wait a second. This never came up before, Like this wasn't.
00:05:12
Speaker 2: Well, we waited because Charlotte silly. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: She didn't She didn't have sex with him, right, she just messed around with him.
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Speaker 3: And that's why it's so immediately after the wedding.
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Speaker 1: But that's well, it's right before the wedding, So Charlotte goes she gets drunk the night before with the girls and goes over to his house and tries to seduce him. It doesn't go well, and then she's like, well, this happens, you know, she's trying to be you know whatever, and he's like, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes this happens to me. She's like, oh, sometimes I have, but they.
00:05:42
Speaker 1: Don't really like she doesn't understand the scope of what she does not, and he definitely downplays you know what I'm saying. Then at the wedding, Charlotte tells Carrie right before she walks down the.
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Speaker 2: Aisle, dray and get it out.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the big that's it's called donuts.
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Speaker 4: Don't tell I have to do my own, like phone on rewatch because I didn't see that's okay, I didn't see. Well, I didn't see the earlier seasons for that reason, but then I would watch later seasons, but I never.
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Speaker 3: Went never in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's very I'm interesting, it's very interesting.
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Speaker 2: It's really fun.
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Speaker 1: I mean I have not watched, as everyone who listens has heard me say, I have not rewatched since now until now right until yeah, and sometimes it's hard to turn the thing off, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: I didn't have any memory. I must have seen this episode more than twice, I imagine, but I didn't remember it. And probably because I was younger, I didn't remember it being so funny. I didn't like maybe I just wasn't at the level of understanding the humor.
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Speaker 3: Of sure or just the still like.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh I left out loud. Yeah, I left out loud. I left out loud a lot.
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Speaker 1: I didn't remember this episode as being good at all in my mind, which is just my own weird you know whatever.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm very judgmental obviously of us. But it's been fantastic. I mean I haven't watched one episode where I haven't thought it was fantastic. But they're just different versions of it, you know what I mean. Like sometimes they're funnier, sometimes they're more serious. Yeah, Like there's so many different and I love that about it.
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Speaker 4: When I think sometimes like your first memory of that episode, if you're like, for some reason you're like that was a bad episode or that's not one that I'm going to rewatch or is memorable, that's like what stays with you until you see it from a completely different angle for sure.
00:07:23
Speaker 1: Oh, I think when I watched it now, it's because I don't like anything that's happening in Charlotte's world, do you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Therefore, in my mind, that's a bad episode. Yes, yeah, because Charlotte's world is awful. It's really bad.
00:07:37
Speaker 3: Okay, everything is bad.
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Speaker 1: It's really bad. It's really bad. And I also think on a certain level, like, okay, so they're there, you know, Trey and Charlotte are in this therapist office. He seems like a very nice man. I do remember him. He was very nice as an actor. And he he wants us to give our private parts names, which is funny and weird. What I see is like that we're trying to find some humor in the situation, right, which of course we need to do because it's not really that funny, you know what I'm saying, right, But we've got to find a way to be funny. So I see us really trying to do that, and I see Charlotte trying to be so hopeful.
00:08:14
Speaker 2: But then I see Trey He's.
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Speaker 1: Immediately not really very open to working on it, which of course is the problem, and that's what becomes the problem because in my mind, once we started getting closer to the Trey coming, I just remember all the glorious things, right, And then I think we put something on Instagram and there was some debate about Trey and people were like I would have hung in there, and I was like, yeah, why didn't I? And they were like, oh, honey, believe us when me tell you should not have.
00:08:41
Speaker 2: And now I'm.
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Speaker 1: Seeing like, oh, they're right, they're right, because he's not really you know, you need a partner who's gonna get in there with you and work on it or work it out or discuss or something.
00:08:51
Speaker 2: He's very shut down the way.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: It's like you can't say I'm not trying if I go to the therapy with right, but once I'm in there, I'm not gonna write right. In a way, I kind of when I was watching that episode, I was thinking, I was like, Oh, the character Trey, like he is at least taking a few steps where you could have had that character just be a complete brick wall, right and trying a little bit, but only within his comfort zone that he can control, right, And that kind of being sort of may be stereotypical of a certain kind of man, grew up in a certain place time, right, right, whatever, and trying to be like, no, I need to control the situation, even though the situation is out of my control.
00:09:27
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, and he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about him, I think is that he doesn't seem controlling so much as it seems passive, right, right, He's like weirdly passive. He's shut down and passive. And in some ways that's almost worse because it's hard to be mad at right, you know what I'm saying, or you're just saying, try right, right, And I mean he's kind of trying.
00:09:46
Speaker 3: He's kind of instead of saying I will not try.
00:09:49
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely definitely. But then so then obviously I didn't remember that. This is the episode where I walk in on him in the nighttime. I think he's crying.
00:10:05
Speaker 2: Because he's making just kind of like weird.
00:10:08
Speaker 3: Noise, weird noises.
00:10:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so far wait or do I say out loud like I didn't know?
00:10:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't.
00:10:14
Speaker 3: I didn't want anything to make a cry or whatever.
00:10:17
Speaker 1: Yea, oh my god, oh so Charlotte, so Charlotte.
00:10:20
Speaker 2: And then I opened the door.
00:10:22
Speaker 1: And I do remember this because this was one of those times where they say, like, we're going to film in slow mo. Whenever they say they're going to film in slow mo, like I just feel like my breath stops, you know what I mean, because like the pressure of slow mo. Oh my god, it's so intense, because any tiny thing you do is that's it.
00:10:41
Speaker 4: That's the thing, because you're mentally trying to accommodate for slow mo. But there you're like, do I do the same speed or am I trying to do something at like three quarter speed or like what because they're.
00:10:51
Speaker 3: Already doing the slow mo. It worked, It worked, I think it's god.
00:10:56
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm always so critical.
00:10:57
Speaker 1: No, I was.
00:10:58
Speaker 4: I was laughing out loud seeing your face would like going to the magazine and then just the like the horror.
00:11:05
Speaker 1: They were doing some stuff off camera. Yes, oh my god, they were being very bad off camera, the crew and Kyle I think he well, yes, no, okay, it was maybe a little too far because I was mad. It made me mad, and I don't know that.
00:11:25
Speaker 2: Charlotte was supposed to be mad.
00:11:26
Speaker 1: I think Charlotte supposed to be like shocked, but then shock is a weird thing to play.
00:11:31
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, how do you play?
00:11:33
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a heart that's a hard one, and I remember being anxious about it. But also they had gotten a bunch of stuff paraphernalia to make the whole situation worse, you know, And they're in there, the guys on the crew. There are a bunch of young guys. I'm not going to name them. I'm going to spare them that. And Kyle, I mean, it's an uncomfortable thing, you know, Like poor Kyle.
00:11:57
Speaker 4: I mean, I was gonna say, I'm like, I would still rather be you in this show.
00:12:01
Speaker 1: Definitely, Oh my god, definitely. I mean, and Kyle is very game. Obviously he's not going to be like a prude or anything, but I mean, you know, he's been in many things previous to this, but uh, you know, it was pretty I was like, I don't remember see his and like this, like there were so many things I didn't remember, but I do remember that they were up to no good in that room. Let me tell you, so that when I did open the door, because obviously when they're shooting my side, you know, he doesn't have to be doing worse. Yeah, exact thing that you see him do on camera, and there was other there were other things involved, and I was pissed, like mad, really mad at the crew guys, really mad.
00:12:42
Speaker 4: I felt like it's so worked, though, because I thought that was Charlotte's reality, Like I thought that was intentional on your part, because it was this like frustration where you felt like you were dealing with a thing or battling a thing but you didn't have all the information and he was hiding this from you, and you like thank you.
00:12:59
Speaker 3: It made sense to me they were right.
00:13:02
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that is absolutely right, because that's true. But the thing that I think is also interesting because also I didn't really remember all of the things around it, Like I didn't remember going to therapy. I just remember the jerking off and I remember the jugs. But I also didn't remember how it ends, which is that Charlotte goes and puts her picture on the magazine and so shocking, and then she's in bed and she hears the masturbating and she's.
00:13:28
Speaker 3: Pleaase very please.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean wow, Like Charlotte, gosh, I don't remember any of this, and I am just like, uh, she's very forgiving and sweet, and he really should have tried harder to make that work out. Man, That's what I think, because that's rare. You know what I'm saying.
00:13:50
Speaker 3: He didn't give up when he saw your picture though.
00:13:52
Speaker 1: No, No, he's talking with me, he smiles, thank God, thank God, thank God. But like, I'm so curious now what's going to happen next week or whatever the next episode, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't need I don't remember, I don't know what happens, what happens, I don't know. Kyle and I kind of touched on. I had him on recently. It was really fun and he we we only vaguely remember things like that. We try and then this happens, then that happens, and there is a phase where we do have sex. So I'm like hoping that it's soon for their sake, right, for Charlotte's sake, because she just tries so hard.
00:14:23
Speaker 2: God lover.
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Speaker 4: And that's the thing I mean, I know you do what you're saying, you don't remember, like the therapy sessions, but I don't remember your character being so like, I know, somewhat assertive in those therapy sessions where they're like, give a name. She goes, I like the name of Rebecca. Like it was like, you're like, I'm I'm I'm here for the college, like I'm gonna try.
00:14:42
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean about him being passive, right, because I think when you really step back and look at Charlotte, she's very motivated for what she wants, you know, always right like soon we're going to be trying to have a baby. She's very motivated, like she's going to get what she wants. You might not see it coming right that she's going to be like that, but that.
00:15:01
Speaker 3: Almost how she is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you mistakenly presume that sometimes she might be more passive in certain situations right where.
00:15:06
Speaker 3: She's No, she is not.
00:15:08
Speaker 1: And that's why she's friends Because some of the people are like, why would she be friends with those? I'm like, well, because they're all powerful in their own way, right, you know. Right.
00:15:26
Speaker 2: So the one thing that I want to mention.
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Speaker 5: That I had one hundred person forgotten and really made me laugh so hard, is when we could do the therapist says, you need to go home and your homework is to share a sexual fantasy.
00:15:45
Speaker 3: Charlotte's fantasy. She's the very princess. Don't get the unicorn. Oh my god, that's so hard.
00:15:52
Speaker 2: And Kyle, the.
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Speaker 5: Way Kyle is looking at me is the cutest thing I might have ever seen in my life.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: And the way the writers know me is so adorable.
00:16:03
Speaker 5: Because this would totally be true and also really really makes me laugh hard, Like this is the kind of thing that makes me laugh.
00:16:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't he a pirate? Take me off here?
00:16:18
Speaker 2: But it's like.
00:16:20
Speaker 1: Those moments where you're just so thankful that you got the job you did with the writers that you have with you.
00:16:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is priceless. Yeah, it is priceless.
00:16:30
Speaker 1: I think I should take that little edit out and put it with my I've been dating since I was fifteen?
00:16:35
Speaker 2: Where is he? Moment my hair hurts?
00:16:38
Speaker 1: Those two moments I might be my favorite ever. I mean, they're up there in my own work, you know what I'm trying to say, Like I love.
00:16:44
Speaker 3: It so much. Speak level they really really do, they really do.
00:16:48
Speaker 1: And just the writing for my strength and or me being able to do it or whatever it is, it's it's priceless. It's just I'm just a very lucky, lucky.
00:16:58
Speaker 4: Actor because I look at that like describing that fantasy while looking into the eyes of another actor.
00:17:03
Speaker 3: I'm going, I don't know.
00:17:04
Speaker 4: If I do that.
00:17:05
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could make it. I don't know if i'd make it to the end, Like, I just don't just don't.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: Really, I was so excited because you're on my face, so excited I was to do it.
00:17:13
Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited because I fucking love that so much. I think i'd break, Like I just, oh my god, no, because you have to commit for you to make it funny, you know what I mean. You have to commit fully. That's Charlotte's things. She commits one hundred and ten percent, hundred and fifty percent, I mean, you know. And just Kyle's looking at me with just the such sweetness Judy mean, and he doesn't even look like he might laugh at all. No, Like it's just so sweet how he's looking at me. It's really adorable. So that might have been my favorite part of my storyline. The Judge would be on my least favorite part, and then the.
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Speaker 2: Very Princess.
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Speaker 3: It's definitely I love it. It's the Unicorn though, it's the unicorn part so good, it's so good.
00:17:59
Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, let's talk about Samantha. Now, this is your storyline. So I love when we get to see Samantha being her publicist self. I think we should have had more episodes with this. I don't know if it's because obviously I live in a world with publicists, but I just really enjoy it, you know, and I could see that she would be a very good one.
00:18:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
00:18:17
Speaker 4: I also feel like you get a little bit of differential between with her personality, like her with men or her with the girls, versus her in that space of being a publicist and being that kind of she just there's something.
00:18:30
Speaker 1: Different, which I love, which I love. That's what I love to see. I love to see that other side of herself. And I think Kat is so funny because she's just very like, I'm in charge. I'm thirteen, but I'm in charge and I'm powerful, and all of you guys.
00:18:45
Speaker 2: Are very powerful too. You know.
00:18:46
Speaker 1: That's what's so adorable about it.
00:18:49
Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt powerful.
00:18:51
Speaker 4: No, I know, my top falling off and I'm just like they're letting me stay here for a few days. No, But it's I think Kat, she just managed to do that so well, which you know that being thirteen or fourteen or whatever, of like, how do you navigate adults that you're going, I am going to make you do what I say and right going to send you guide you on the way to get around to do what I say, and that being it being particularly Samantha, yes, totally.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: It's so fascinating.
00:19:23
Speaker 3: But she does it.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: She does it so well because she does it with such ease. Yeah, you know, she just knows that she's going to get what she wants. She's not in any way struggling or trying too hard to get what she wants. She knows she's going to get it, which I love so much.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: I love so much. She's very very good.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: Obviously, kat is really incredible with whatever she's doing. But so we see we first we see Jenny and we see that she wants, you know, Samantha to be to do her pr and Samantha is not sure. And then we're she tells her you know, the money or whatever, right, Samantha's like, oh okay. And then we're at the restaurant and you guys send Dom Barrinyong over would which is really funny. And then you come over and the girls are just like so blown away by you guys. I'm not there for whatever reason, and they're just like so impressed, and they say that you're all like you're thirty, and Sir justus like Carrie's like, oh.
00:20:15
Speaker 2: They're thirteen.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's just floored, which I think is also just very very Oh and I forgot that Kat's character Jenny says, Carrie knows who Carrie is, and she says, oh, I didn't know you knew Carrie Bradshaw, and then she's fucking fabulous. I think it's all just so accurate because obviously I live with a fourteen year old, So just the fact that they know everything, you know, it's very real.
00:20:41
Speaker 2: It's very real.
00:20:42
Speaker 4: But I also, I don't know if this is sort of in my head or not, but I kind of wonder, you know, we're portraying these girls who are talking to these women of this age with this sort of like complete confidence and agency and all this stuff, and being very rude and condescending and all that stuff. But that was not reality for anyone I knew, you know, even like Kat or Meat, we would never speak to women in their thirties that way, like ever, like you would show respect, you would not do that, and.
00:21:12
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not true anymore.
00:21:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's where it's sort of like, that's the thing, very prophetic, like ahead of time or you know, you're playing these girls that would and feel entitled to behave that way towards people who are older than them.
00:21:25
Speaker 3: They're like that being I don't know that sort of.
00:21:31
Speaker 4: Like at the time, you're going, right, it's pretend, it's pretend we're not actually like doing that.
00:21:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, how you felt that's kindest.
00:21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I probably would have also felt that way obviously, because you know, yeah, for sure I was brought up with manners and whatnot.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: But yeah, you were playing a very specific specific people.
00:21:47
Speaker 1: I mean, we would sometimes be shooting on the Upper east Side and little eight year olds would come up to us and they would be not decked out in the way that you guys at thirteen were, but like on the way to that oh yeah saying yeah, and they would they would just be getting out of school or something.
00:22:02
Speaker 2: They see us filming.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh, we watched the show last week, and we'd be like what, and we would look around, like is their mother here?
00:22:08
Speaker 4: Right?
00:22:09
Speaker 2: So I would hear them and we.
00:22:10
Speaker 1: Would just be like, are you sure you should be watching that?
00:22:13
Speaker 4: Right?
00:22:14
Speaker 1: You know, we were concerned for them, but they were very sure of themselves and very much like they were our peers.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: You know, they would talk like that. Okay, yeah, I mean they were polite.
00:22:24
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that they weren't, but like it was a thing that we would encounter.
00:22:28
Speaker 3: They were not intimidated to speak their minds.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: They were not.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: They were not. They were not.
00:22:32
Speaker 1: No, they were not, and they were like we know you you know like that, And I mean, I have to say and sometimes I think this is great because obviously the world is a really complicated place.
00:22:41
Speaker 2: But my daughter, who obviously is my daughter, so it's different.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: But like she has friends, there's different personalities in the friend group or whatever. But she has one friend who literally talks to me like we are the same age, you know what I'm saying. And I try to keep it going right because because sometimes it goes too far. Like one time I wanted to argue with me about whether tank tops should be tight. It was so funny because like, you know, they're so young, right anyway, don't get me started.
00:23:11
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do have to remind her.
00:23:13
Speaker 3: I was like, how long was this argument? Did you have? Went to your debate?
00:23:17
Speaker 2: Okay?
00:23:17
Speaker 1: In the car, I had taken them to Universal Halloween Horror Nights, which I certifying praise for because it was very terrifying.
00:23:24
Speaker 2: Terrifying, very terrifying. I mean, I've never been. I don't think i'll ever go again, but I had my twenties.
00:23:30
Speaker 3: Never ever happen again.
00:23:31
Speaker 1: I had to beat the chaperone, you know, because they are like adults there that are drinking. Right, So I went and it was in the car on the way home at like one in the morning, right, So like my patients had some run out and I was like, listen, I'm really old and I understand clothes, so don't argue with me about this little girl.
00:23:50
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
00:23:51
Speaker 2: I mean, but I.
00:23:52
Speaker 1: Also love the pluck and the spunk and the Yeah, they're gonna that they're you know, out there figuring things out and they're going to tell you what they think.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: And clothes matters so much, I think for certain girls at certain ages where it's totally their expression and it's how they municate.
00:24:07
Speaker 1: True, it's hard, Yeah, it's so hard as the mom.
00:24:13
Speaker 4: But I remember having friends being younger and having very different feelings towards different clothes because of what, you know.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: What they associated with.
00:24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally. Oh, let's talk about Miranda for a second. I literally no memory of this entire storyline. I think it's hysterical. I also now know there's like a theme where they get stuff stuck in her teeth because it happens again later.
00:24:37
Speaker 3: Does it?
00:24:37
Speaker 4: Yes?
00:24:38
Speaker 1: And she's so game with it one time? And I think we also write it in I can't remember it's later or later like coming. It could be in a movie, but I think it's not. But she's eating salad. She they always wanted us.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: To eat a lot.
00:24:52
Speaker 4: Salad always betrays you, exactly.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: But that's why they loved it, right, because they want it to be as real as possible. And at one point there's a point where they were like, pu on your teeth.
00:25:00
Speaker 2: I remember this.
00:25:01
Speaker 1: But we're at a coffee shop scene, right, and I think we tell her like but she doesn't have the braces like they just torture her sometimes, but of course she doesn't so relatable and she.
00:25:12
Speaker 2: Doesn't care at all.
00:25:13
Speaker 1: She has no vanity. Cynthia Nixon, no vanity whatsoever. But when she gets she goes Okay, so anyway, she I didn't remember all this, the whole backstory, the fact that she comes in like I have clicking jaw and tim j I don't remember any of this.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: It's fascinating.
00:25:29
Speaker 1: It's super fascinating and like way to jump into a storyline. Yeah, DoD, I mean, it's very very interesting.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: And so she's like, you know, this is what I have to do.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: I have to get some braces because her she's a tongue thruster, Like what does this even mean? Oh my god, I know, I don't remember a single bit of it. So then she gets the braces. They're pretty dainty compared to the braces I had eighteen million years ago, which I had like the whole silver you know.
00:25:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like everybody had retainers for that, like the pop.
00:25:58
Speaker 1: In I did eventually have, Oh you did, yeah, but not not.
00:26:02
Speaker 3: But I think the fake ones they had to use would have maybe been less right.
00:26:06
Speaker 1: No, hers look more. I think hers are a different I think we were in between types because obviously I had mine when I was ten years old, okay, long time ago, and now my daughter has them now, and now they have three D printed braces, which is very interesting.
00:26:20
Speaker 3: So they're that's definitely got to be a pop in.
00:26:23
Speaker 1: Oh no, no popping, no popping. It is glued on there. The three D brace brackets are glued on there to to actually move the teeth. The popping and popping out is not going to move your teeth, even like the invisil line is. Yeah, she could have gotten the visiline, but like, I just didn't think that the that the teen was going to be a.
00:26:39
Speaker 4: Whole thing about in missiling because I didn't do it, but a friend did it, and now it's it's very a different kind of commitment, but it is you're taking it with you to the restaurant exact might eat something later, rebrushing exactly.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: And that's why I did not get it for my for my young lady, but I got her the three D And that's kind of what what Miranda's look like. They're dainty, they're not like so super blocky and yeah big yeah, yeah, but they're still pretty prevallege.
00:27:04
Speaker 4: My generation was right when they started pushing the clear braces as a good idea, and you'd see a lot more people with the clear braces, and that just being like the new thing or the new thing that was enough people started doing it for sure.
00:27:17
Speaker 2: For sure.
00:27:17
Speaker 1: So she's got what I considered to be slightly dainty braces, but she feels like they're horrible and like she's the oldest person ever in the world to have braces and my favorite.
00:27:25
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many funny scenes here.
00:27:27
Speaker 1: Obviously when she goes on the date with the guy that you know, she meets in the cafeteria style restaurant with the rest of us, though I guess I was I there or was.
00:27:35
Speaker 2: It not there?
00:27:35
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm there. Wait, no, I am there with my wavy hair. I am there. I'm in one group scene, and that I'm not in one group scene because I think I'm at therapy or whatever, do you know what I mean? Like like now that I'm married, Unfortunately, Charlotte does not get to partake in everything, going to every kind of shad like when they go to La Charlotte does not go and it has to join them later.
00:27:53
Speaker 2: I do come, I do come.
00:27:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was really bummed out. I remember, just because obviously I already looked to your race, like wait, they're all going to.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: Go to La without Charlotte.
00:28:03
Speaker 3: This is terrible. But then they join them than, guys, I live here, I'll show up. I'll just you believe me.
00:28:09
Speaker 1: They knew, but yeah, I was just like, why are they being so mean to me?
00:28:13
Speaker 2: But I do? I do? Come join?
00:28:15
Speaker 1: So she goes on the date that they have previously met at the cafeteria style restaurant who's quite adorable, and then she has just like so much food stuck and embraces and luckily he tells her, I think that's really important. I think that if you're with someone and someone else, you know, gets food stick, that you should tell them. Like sometimes they get really mad at my kids that they haven't told me. I'll get home and I'll look at my teeth. I'll be like, you, guys, why did you not tell me?
00:28:40
Speaker 4: They were like, we didn't see I get the thing where I'm like, would you want them to tell you? Would you not want to? Like, obviously they've seen it. But then once they tell you and you fix it, You're like, they're staring at me.
00:28:51
Speaker 1: Right, But wouldn't you rather get it fixed than just go about your.
00:28:54
Speaker 4: Don't you know?
00:28:55
Speaker 3: Because I can't get out of my head after that. Oh I don't know. It's a very weird thing. Interesting.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: I would want to know.
00:29:01
Speaker 4: I get that feeling of like if someone accidentally, like walks into the bathroom.
00:29:05
Speaker 3: You know that feeling where you're like, you shouldn't feel shame.
00:29:07
Speaker 4: It's like they didn't knock, they opened the door, there was no lock on the door, right, you should not feel a certain way about it. You're like, it's an accident, yes, but you can't shake that feeling. It's the same food in your teeth feeling for me.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, Oh I would not put them on the same light. No, no, no, no, you're just like.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been caught.
00:29:23
Speaker 2: No, I've been caught.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: No. I just want to know. I don't want to just go through my day or go through the birthday party or whatever it is with the food in the mouth.
00:29:30
Speaker 2: No, don't. It's never a good it's never it's not good.
00:29:32
Speaker 1: I want someone to tell me quickly, quickly when they first see Yes, that's what I think you should do.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: Anyway, she's at this date and he tells her, which I think is really sweet.
00:29:42
Speaker 1: It does seem like she doesn't really recover, which is kind of I think what you're saying and that does make her go decide to get the braces off, but before she is the braces off. I love the scene where she's at the law firm, and I feel she's so great. Miranda as a character is so great because she just says stuff, you know that the the rest of us might think, but we don't say.
00:30:01
Speaker 2: She's with just like, I.
00:30:04
Speaker 1: Don't know, ten guys and she's presenting the brief I guess to the group and there are guys at the other end of the table laughing, kind of snickering, laughing, and she thinks it's about her braces, and so she's trying to push on but she can't. And then she goes, okay, you know, all right, you know down there at the other end of the table, let's.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: Just take a minute and get it out of your system that you're laughing at my braces.
00:30:26
Speaker 1: And they go, hobbs, we were just laughing at the typo on page three.
00:30:32
Speaker 3: So good. It's so good.
00:30:34
Speaker 4: But it's also like what you're saying, where she says the thing that she's so good about being just like say it bluntly, but she says the thing that everybody goes, I should have said this when we get home from work, they're like, what I would have liked to have said was this, But she says it like at the moment.
00:30:50
Speaker 3: She does, she's amazing, that's so cool.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is good.
00:31:05
Speaker 1: This is very funny and very accurate to now. Still too so Carrie. When Carrie's writing, she says, were Jenny Brier that's Kat Denning's character, where Jenny Brier and her friends dressed like thirty something year old women? Or were we just trying to look like teenagers? One of us was sending down Parrin young while another was touring around New York on a scooter. When you're a teenager, all you want to do is buy beer, But once you hit thirty, all you want to do is get carted. I wondered, in today's youth obsessed culture, are the women of my generation growing into mature, responsible adults or are we thirty four going on thirteen?
00:31:44
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how accurate.
00:31:46
Speaker 3: It's very accurate still.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: To today, because it is still an incredibly youth obsessed culture, probably even more so, I think.
00:31:56
Speaker 4: But I feel like you having like a daughter's fourteen see kind of exactly what today is in that in that way, Whereas I look back at that time and there was.
00:32:07
Speaker 3: A real.
00:32:09
Speaker 4: It depends on you know, what sort of childhood you're coming from, but there was like a broader, real push that it was acceptable to dress like we were dressing, and so do all this stuff while also knowing that that gets attention and like in maybe ways you're not grown enough to be receiving and understanding and all that stuff.
00:32:29
Speaker 1: Well, let's not leave out the year two thousand would be like hey day, Britney spears exactly.
00:32:34
Speaker 3: I was thinking. I was thinking that before before coming.
00:32:38
Speaker 1: It really was.
00:32:38
Speaker 4: It was of such a specific time of that being so normal and acceptable and like that's just what you did, whereas like it's been thought through a lot more, I think in.
00:32:50
Speaker 2: The last year.
00:32:52
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, yes, in some ways, yes, like we saw kind of the damage and now I think there's a lot more awareness. Like the way that we talked about women's bodies, things that people were put through back then culturally horrible, right, But at the same time, I love Serena Carpenter so much, and she's luckily older than Brittany was, but like her music is so sexualized and like how she dresses.
00:33:17
Speaker 2: I mean, have you have you.
00:33:18
Speaker 3: Seen I've seen?
00:33:20
Speaker 1: Oh god, it like I yeah, I'm up on all the stuff you're up on the Yahna. I love her and she's very empowered. Like it's not like she's a victim in any way, right, No, no, no, she's very powerful. She's a tiny, tiny, little five foot thing and she's just like a little powerhouse. But it's so sexualized. My son loves her. He does not know what she's sang in her songs. Thank god, he's seven. Okay, so no one explained this to him. No one explained to him what she's talking about.
00:33:46
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like good bops. You know what I'm saying, right, But if you listen to the.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: Words, it's it's it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff.
00:33:54
Speaker 4: Right.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: But so like, I feel like the music industry in particular is still really just the hot bit of strangeness in terms of the people who are successful seem to be pushed to the women I should say who are successful seem to be pushed somehow. I don't know if they're pushed or they choose it into this very sexualized presentation and performance style and.
00:34:18
Speaker 4: The other thing thing, I don't actually know what the truth of any of it is, except my perception of it, which was like the Britney spears of the Cristiaguilar, like all that time and stuff that came out.
00:34:29
Speaker 3: Like my perception of it was they were heavily encouraged, if not pushed to.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: I felt the same way. I don't know the truth.
00:34:37
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
00:34:38
Speaker 4: I look at a lot of the pop I guess we call it pop stars now, and it feels like they have more agency.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: I like it too, and they're not as young.
00:34:45
Speaker 1: I think there's that, right, Like that's a win no matter what, right, because that at that age is so terrifying, right, like terrifying. But I also feel like, as a parent, you have to make this huge effort to keep your children as young as possible for as long as possible, which is super hard in the world that we live in, right, It's just really really hard. And then you also have to let them be themselves. And then you have to let them develop, you know, in the way that they're developing.
00:35:12
Speaker 2: But it's rough.
00:35:13
Speaker 1: But like like just and there are I think social media in some ways also has a lot of negatives, but then sometimes it can have positives, like there's so many women talking about what we all went through in the nineties, right, right, like talking about how rough it was like with the low cut, and the magazines were all critical of everybody's body at every moment. You know what I'm saying. I was on a different talk show and I walked out. I had never been on the talk show. It was a later night one.
00:35:37
Speaker 2: Right, like not as big a hit, and I walk out.
00:35:40
Speaker 1: They play the entry music, which is why I hate to hear the title credit. Oh, I have so much anxiety about our music because I had so many weird experiences to it.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: I walk out.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: You know, people are cheering really nice. I get there and he goes, so, you guys are the new Golden Girls, And I mean I was probably thirty three or thirty four winning this to me right, And I was like, can I just leave now?
00:36:05
Speaker 4: I feel like what you're saying is not like a group of women that other women want to watch.
00:36:09
Speaker 3: I feel like that's not what you're saying.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: Like you're insulting me.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: And then on the same episode I'm just remembering this, he asked me if size matters, and I was.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Like, why why.
00:36:22
Speaker 1: Are you just going to torture us now? Like are we just going to be tortured? And like there was no preemptive like no one told me like that you're walking into me or told me or said like, oh yeah, he's gonna want to ask you a bunch of.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: Weird things, do you know what I mean?
00:36:37
Speaker 4: And he's going to try to meet one of the girls at lunch and no, he was going to try to be like a provoctan you know, provocateur, sorry, provocateur.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: He's going to be welcome to my mind.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: Everyone talking follow Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: Wait today and oh oh a very important question, kayton Ner, Are you a Charlotte?
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I want I want to ask you what that means?
00:37:03
Speaker 4: So it means whatever you think it means, because I was wondering if people think of it in different ways, like is it more personality or how you react to things?
00:37:11
Speaker 3: Is it more like world she comes from? Or like is it job? Is it? There's all those different things.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this is the joy of playing a character for so long. Right, people have their own idea of what or who she is, and it may be my idea, but it might not be like, I'm not gonna make you think about a certain way.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: How strange is it to feel like you're like, yeah, but I was her, but someone else interprets it totally differently, even though I lived in it.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: I'm so used to it.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think as an actor, you you want that, right, Like, you're trying to.
00:37:39
Speaker 2: Play a character that's going to connect to people, and it's going.
00:37:42
Speaker 1: To connect to people based on their own living, their own experience, right, So you don't know what that's going to be. I think the odd thing is that we've been playing them so long that you have now thirty years of experience of people talking to you about her, right, So that is interesting and unusual, but it's great. Yeah, because people say so many different things and they'll remember what.
00:38:02
Speaker 3: It means for them. Yeah.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: The biggest thing I would say would be do you believe in love?
00:38:08
Speaker 3: I do?
00:38:08
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
00:38:10
Speaker 1: You are you super loyal?
00:38:13
Speaker 3: I think so? I hope my friends, I'm sure you are that. I'm sure you are.
00:38:18
Speaker 2: Are you a good cheerleader?
00:38:20
Speaker 3: I try to be?
00:38:21
Speaker 2: Yeah?
00:38:21
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
00:38:24
Speaker 3: What else you guys?
00:38:25
Speaker 2: Do you like white flowers? I do?
00:38:28
Speaker 3: I like my favorite is like white and green together.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: Nice, me too, love white and I love white and green so much?
00:38:35
Speaker 2: Are you?
00:38:36
Speaker 3: I know nothing about art.
00:38:38
Speaker 1: That's where I'm not people that would be like down the list. Okay, I'm saying, yeah, it's not something that.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: People harp on.
00:38:44
Speaker 1: I love that about her, that she loves art yright. I love that about her, but it's certainly not top of the mind. I think there is a traditional quality to Charlotte that I don't personally share.
00:38:57
Speaker 3: But that's where I might kind of differentiate.
00:38:59
Speaker 4: However, I was exposed to a lot of girls with that kind of upbringing, so I can understand.
00:39:05
Speaker 3: It, sure, but it's not. Yeah, I don't right perfect, But I.
00:39:08
Speaker 1: Mean the other thing is you can be anyone you want to be, or you can be different parts of different people or whatever, you know what I mean. Like people think of Miranda as being you know, super smart, powerful, ambitious, calls it like it is, you know, like cut to the chase.
00:39:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly cynical.
00:39:25
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: I kind of walked away from like where I left off or something and watching where whatever Miranda's character had gone through up at that point, I was like, she is like quietly, very very.
00:39:37
Speaker 3: Compassionate and empathetic and.
00:39:39
Speaker 2: Like, oh, definitely, you know, getting these.
00:39:41
Speaker 3: Like things that you're going.
00:39:42
Speaker 4: Oh, it kind of goes against with the presumption of the successful female lawyer.
00:39:47
Speaker 3: You know at that time that's great. Must have like not been or.
00:39:50
Speaker 2: That's so great.
00:39:51
Speaker 4: But I remember being like, yeah, God, would I be able to be that understanding and like how she handles like her long term relationships and all that stuff where you're pretty understanding. Yeah, though in later years maybe not.
00:40:05
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not caught up. Maybe I'm not caught up.
00:40:07
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:40:08
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not.
00:40:09
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to be objective sometimes about the other ones. And then Carrie, you would say, I would think, like, she's creative, she's a writer, she's always thinking, she's wondering about everything. Obviously, I think I'm the least.
00:40:21
Speaker 4: Strangely, I think I'm the least. I remember because that question, that question came up a lot, like before the show even ended.
00:40:28
Speaker 3: I remember when people were watching it, like which one are you?
00:40:30
Speaker 4: Yes, And every girl would try to, you know, figure out which one she was, and always kind of being in this like not like that.
00:40:37
Speaker 3: But I'm a little bit like that and whatever.
00:40:39
Speaker 4: It's a carry thing. Everybody wanted. Everybody was like, I think I'm a Carrie, Like they're not a Carrie.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: You're not you know what I mean? I do?
00:40:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I always looked at like the carry things. She's like, she's the person we're going on the journey with in the essence that she's narrated, although everybody over the of course of the years probably says, well, no, I'm a Charlotte and I'm a I.
00:40:59
Speaker 2: Mean Rand, different feelings at different times too.
00:41:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but feeling like I was the least maybe the least like Samantha, but like just how her her sort of like her creativity or exploration is outward, Yes, and that being part of what's so enjoyable to watch.
00:41:17
Speaker 2: Yes for sure, for sure.
00:41:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:41:20
Speaker 2: So you're a mix, You're a mixed.
00:41:22
Speaker 3: I'm a Charlotte, Miranda, a door sprinkle of some other things.
00:41:26
Speaker 2: Love it, love it, love it, love it.
00:41:29
Speaker 1: Hayton, Liz, so much fun, So nice to have you, and you are just a beautiful woman, grown up so wonderfully.
00:41:39
Speaker 2: Congratulations.
00:41:41
Speaker 4: Thirteen years old was a while ago, I mean it really is, but it's been so cool to look back, but.
00:41:45
Speaker 1: It's amazing that you could have been in that world of being a model actor at thirteen and grown up like a normal person.
00:41:53
Speaker 3: Well normal as relative, of course.
00:41:56
Speaker 2: But you're here with me.
00:41:58
Speaker 1: You're very thoughtful, you know you.
00:42:01
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm impressed. Thank you, You're welcome.
00:42:05
Speaker 1: I do think there is that weird preconception that everyone who was doing those kinds of you know, performance type things at that age was damaged in some way by it.
00:42:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
00:42:19
Speaker 4: In some cases it's it's true, but when in other cases it's actually like I look at a lot of the people that were in the professional world that time when people bring up, oh, you need the people you knew when you were young, because they'll understand all that stuff. But I look at those kids that were professional kids are going we really do like that.
00:42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker 3: But some of them made it, some of them made it out.
00:42:42
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:42:42
Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
00:42:43
Speaker 1: I'm so glad because I don't think it was easy, but I think it has a lot to do Also, like you said, your mom was with you all the time.
00:42:48
Speaker 2: I think that's obviously so super important.
00:42:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you much.
00:42:54
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte? Part two?
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Here we go.
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Speaker 1: So they go out and then they go to Carrie's, right, because we've just seen her serving the lemonade and the cookies. They go to Carrey's and they're gonna have sex, and his mom calls, which is just so embarrassing, but she really has a valid question, did you give the dog his medice? It's entirely a valid question, It's very valid. I was like, you should have told your mom that you gave the dog the medicine, because that's really important.
00:00:37
Speaker 3: This is something that is a timely issue.
00:00:39
Speaker 1: We exactly exactly, but it does put a little bit of a wrinkle in there, you know, making out session or whatever. Then they go back to his house. The parents are supposedly out of town, I guess, and they smoke pot and I was trying to remember, well, wait, before they smoke pot, they play Hot Child in the City. And the thing that's really funny is that sir Jessica loves seventies music. Basically, OK, I don't know if Hot Child in the City's eighties. I don't know, but something right previous this is Siassica, It's records, and like this era is Sara Jesska, Like she plays this at work for all of us, and it really made me laugh because I think at this point in time, I don't think I realized how much this music resonated with her and how much she loved it.
00:01:25
Speaker 2: But now it's really really obvious to all of us.
00:01:27
Speaker 1: In fact, I can't turn on the seventies station without just being flooded with memories of Sestic you know, which I love because we're the same era.
00:01:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
00:01:35
Speaker 1: I have all memories to those songs too, but now I have memories of her enjoying those songs.
00:01:40
Speaker 2: So when I.
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Speaker 1: Watched her in the thrill on her face, you know, over hot Child in the City, it's really adorable. Then he gets out his weed, which is also I don't really remember her smoking pot in the show before. I don't know, am I crazy? I don't really remember it. I mean I feel like it was certainly around, you know, but it wasn't. You weren't really seeing your characters on.
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Speaker 2: TV smoking it?
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Speaker 1: No, especially not out of like a weird bong made out of like a bottle or whatever. What the heck I mean we are back to the whole high school of it all. Yeah, it was so charming. Yeah, it's so charming and very retro like.
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Speaker 4: But it was it felt like, and this may have been like to my age at the time, but it felt a lot more risky than right today, totally a lot of places, right, that wasn't really the case back Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't the case at all back then, though, I do feel like it was prevalent, Like, oh, definitely, really prevalent, really really prevalent, just not legal, right, yes, right, definitely.
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Speaker 4: And not put on television as much unless they're doing a hippy movie about the seventies, right right, right.
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Speaker 1: Like the McConaughey movie that he's yes, like that obviously that's the point of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it was like a little walk on that side of the totally of the world. But it's pretty funny. So they get high and they're eating KFC I guess, yeah, and the parents come home they see them down below, but they're high and they act like teenagers and it's pretty funny. And Sarah was like super.
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Speaker 2: Game, which she really did it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he's very charming, this guy who apparently never acted after that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know, I don't know.
00:03:24
Speaker 3: He just career in radio took off.
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Speaker 1: His career in radio took off. I guess, we don't know. We've got to find out. We've got to find out. But they were very charming together, I thought, And it seemed like Sir Jusca was really really having a good time. So I really liked the moment his mom comes in and basically he says, Carrie brought the pot, mom, because she he tells Carrie really quickly right that they're going to ask him to leave if again because they previously asked him to leave, and so he's like, carry brought it and they push it on Carrie, and the voiceaver says something like, you know, like all women I have to you know, you know, what's the word like take responsibility or whatever. She said something like that, take responsibility for myself, and she takes the blame, but.
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Speaker 3: She also I know, it's so funny.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember anything.
00:04:13
Speaker 1: I was really watching it like with just a total enjoyment, except for my part where I was like what on earth?
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Speaker 4: I was so curious to know what your your take on your your storyline was, But you don't remember it.
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Speaker 3: So many questions.
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Speaker 1: I have no memory whatsoever, Eggs, No, I do have a memory.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I lied.
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Speaker 1: I have no memory.
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Speaker 2: Of being in the therapist office.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely have a memory of when I catch a masturbating, but in my mind. And this is why you can't trust your own memory, right, But it's all we've got. I thought that comes much later. I didn't know that came like two episodes after we get married. I would have said it was fourth season or something. I thought it was when things were like totally not working, like it's shocking to me. Beautiful wedding and all the hope and then.
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Speaker 2: Things are just bad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, like we're not having sex. I was thinking that I'm going to wait a second. This never came up before, Like this wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Well, we waited because Charlotte silly. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: She didn't She didn't have sex with him, right, she just messed around with him.
00:05:20
Speaker 3: And that's why it's so immediately after the wedding.
00:05:23
Speaker 1: But that's well, it's right before the wedding, So Charlotte goes she gets drunk the night before with the girls and goes over to his house and tries to seduce him. It doesn't go well, and then she's like, well, this happens, you know, she's trying to be you know whatever, and he's like, yeah.
00:05:38
Speaker 2: Sometimes this happens to me. She's like, oh, sometimes I have, but they.
00:05:42
Speaker 1: Don't really like she doesn't understand the scope of what she does not, and he definitely downplays you know what I'm saying. Then at the wedding, Charlotte tells Carrie right before she walks down the.
00:05:52
Speaker 2: Aisle, dray and get it out.
00:05:54
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the big that's it's called donuts.
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Speaker 4: Don't tell I have to do my own, like phone on rewatch because I didn't see that's okay, I didn't see. Well, I didn't see the earlier seasons for that reason, but then I would watch later seasons, but I never.
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Speaker 3: Went never in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's very I'm interesting, it's very interesting.
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Speaker 2: It's really fun.
00:06:14
Speaker 1: I mean I have not watched, as everyone who listens has heard me say, I have not rewatched since now until now right until yeah, and sometimes it's hard to turn the thing off, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: I didn't have any memory. I must have seen this episode more than twice, I imagine, but I didn't remember it. And probably because I was younger, I didn't remember it being so funny. I didn't like maybe I just wasn't at the level of understanding the humor.
00:06:41
Speaker 3: Of sure or just the still like.
00:06:44
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh I left out loud. Yeah, I left out loud. I left out loud a lot.
00:06:49
Speaker 1: I didn't remember this episode as being good at all in my mind, which is just my own weird you know whatever.
00:06:56
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: I'm very judgmental obviously of us. But it's been fantastic. I mean I haven't watched one episode where I haven't thought it was fantastic. But they're just different versions of it, you know what I mean. Like sometimes they're funnier, sometimes they're more serious. Yeah, Like there's so many different and I love that about it.
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Speaker 4: When I think sometimes like your first memory of that episode, if you're like, for some reason you're like that was a bad episode or that's not one that I'm going to rewatch or is memorable, that's like what stays with you until you see it from a completely different angle for sure.
00:07:23
Speaker 1: Oh, I think when I watched it now, it's because I don't like anything that's happening in Charlotte's world, do you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Therefore, in my mind, that's a bad episode. Yes, yeah, because Charlotte's world is awful. It's really bad.
00:07:37
Speaker 3: Okay, everything is bad.
00:07:38
Speaker 1: It's really bad. It's really bad. And I also think on a certain level, like, okay, so they're there, you know, Trey and Charlotte are in this therapist office. He seems like a very nice man. I do remember him. He was very nice as an actor. And he he wants us to give our private parts names, which is funny and weird. What I see is like that we're trying to find some humor in the situation, right, which of course we need to do because it's not really that funny, you know what I'm saying, right, But we've got to find a way to be funny. So I see us really trying to do that, and I see Charlotte trying to be so hopeful.
00:08:14
Speaker 2: But then I see Trey He's.
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Speaker 1: Immediately not really very open to working on it, which of course is the problem, and that's what becomes the problem because in my mind, once we started getting closer to the Trey coming, I just remember all the glorious things, right, And then I think we put something on Instagram and there was some debate about Trey and people were like I would have hung in there, and I was like, yeah, why didn't I? And they were like, oh, honey, believe us when me tell you should not have.
00:08:41
Speaker 2: And now I'm.
00:08:42
Speaker 1: Seeing like, oh, they're right, they're right, because he's not really you know, you need a partner who's gonna get in there with you and work on it or work it out or discuss or something.
00:08:51
Speaker 2: He's very shut down the way.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: It's like you can't say I'm not trying if I go to the therapy with right, but once I'm in there, I'm not gonna write right. In a way, I kind of when I was watching that episode, I was thinking, I was like, Oh, the character Trey, like he is at least taking a few steps where you could have had that character just be a complete brick wall, right and trying a little bit, but only within his comfort zone that he can control, right, And that kind of being sort of may be stereotypical of a certain kind of man, grew up in a certain place time, right, right, whatever, and trying to be like, no, I need to control the situation, even though the situation is out of my control.
00:09:27
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, and he doesn't.
00:09:29
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about him, I think is that he doesn't seem controlling so much as it seems passive, right, right, He's like weirdly passive. He's shut down and passive. And in some ways that's almost worse because it's hard to be mad at right, you know what I'm saying, or you're just saying, try right, right, And I mean he's kind of trying.
00:09:46
Speaker 3: He's kind of instead of saying I will not try.
00:09:49
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely definitely. But then so then obviously I didn't remember that. This is the episode where I walk in on him in the nighttime. I think he's crying.
00:10:05
Speaker 2: Because he's making just kind of like weird.
00:10:08
Speaker 3: Noise, weird noises.
00:10:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so far wait or do I say out loud like I didn't know?
00:10:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't.
00:10:14
Speaker 3: I didn't want anything to make a cry or whatever.
00:10:17
Speaker 1: Yea, oh my god, oh so Charlotte, so Charlotte.
00:10:20
Speaker 2: And then I opened the door.
00:10:22
Speaker 1: And I do remember this because this was one of those times where they say, like, we're going to film in slow mo. Whenever they say they're going to film in slow mo, like I just feel like my breath stops, you know what I mean, because like the pressure of slow mo. Oh my god, it's so intense, because any tiny thing you do is that's it.
00:10:41
Speaker 4: That's the thing, because you're mentally trying to accommodate for slow mo. But there you're like, do I do the same speed or am I trying to do something at like three quarter speed or like what because they're.
00:10:51
Speaker 3: Already doing the slow mo. It worked, It worked, I think it's god.
00:10:56
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm always so critical.
00:10:57
Speaker 1: No, I was.
00:10:58
Speaker 4: I was laughing out loud seeing your face would like going to the magazine and then just the like the horror.
00:11:05
Speaker 1: They were doing some stuff off camera. Yes, oh my god, they were being very bad off camera, the crew and Kyle I think he well, yes, no, okay, it was maybe a little too far because I was mad. It made me mad, and I don't know that.
00:11:25
Speaker 2: Charlotte was supposed to be mad.
00:11:26
Speaker 1: I think Charlotte supposed to be like shocked, but then shock is a weird thing to play.
00:11:31
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, how do you play?
00:11:33
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a heart that's a hard one, and I remember being anxious about it. But also they had gotten a bunch of stuff paraphernalia to make the whole situation worse, you know, And they're in there, the guys on the crew. There are a bunch of young guys. I'm not going to name them. I'm going to spare them that. And Kyle, I mean, it's an uncomfortable thing, you know, Like poor Kyle.
00:11:57
Speaker 4: I mean, I was gonna say, I'm like, I would still rather be you in this show.
00:12:01
Speaker 1: Definitely, Oh my god, definitely. I mean, and Kyle is very game. Obviously he's not going to be like a prude or anything, but I mean, you know, he's been in many things previous to this, but uh, you know, it was pretty I was like, I don't remember see his and like this, like there were so many things I didn't remember, but I do remember that they were up to no good in that room. Let me tell you, so that when I did open the door, because obviously when they're shooting my side, you know, he doesn't have to be doing worse. Yeah, exact thing that you see him do on camera, and there was other there were other things involved, and I was pissed, like mad, really mad at the crew guys, really mad.
00:12:42
Speaker 4: I felt like it's so worked, though, because I thought that was Charlotte's reality, Like I thought that was intentional on your part, because it was this like frustration where you felt like you were dealing with a thing or battling a thing but you didn't have all the information and he was hiding this from you, and you like thank you.
00:12:59
Speaker 3: It made sense to me they were right.
00:13:02
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that is absolutely right, because that's true. But the thing that I think is also interesting because also I didn't really remember all of the things around it, Like I didn't remember going to therapy. I just remember the jerking off and I remember the jugs. But I also didn't remember how it ends, which is that Charlotte goes and puts her picture on the magazine and so shocking, and then she's in bed and she hears the masturbating and she's.
00:13:28
Speaker 3: Pleaase very please.
00:13:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean wow, Like Charlotte, gosh, I don't remember any of this, and I am just like, uh, she's very forgiving and sweet, and he really should have tried harder to make that work out. Man, That's what I think, because that's rare. You know what I'm saying.
00:13:50
Speaker 3: He didn't give up when he saw your picture though.
00:13:52
Speaker 1: No, No, he's talking with me, he smiles, thank God, thank God, thank God. But like, I'm so curious now what's going to happen next week or whatever the next episode, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't need I don't remember, I don't know what happens, what happens, I don't know. Kyle and I kind of touched on. I had him on recently. It was really fun and he we we only vaguely remember things like that. We try and then this happens, then that happens, and there is a phase where we do have sex. So I'm like hoping that it's soon for their sake, right, for Charlotte's sake, because she just tries so hard.
00:14:23
Speaker 2: God lover.
00:14:24
Speaker 4: And that's the thing I mean, I know you do what you're saying, you don't remember, like the therapy sessions, but I don't remember your character being so like, I know, somewhat assertive in those therapy sessions where they're like, give a name. She goes, I like the name of Rebecca. Like it was like, you're like, I'm I'm I'm here for the college, like I'm gonna try.
00:14:42
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean about him being passive, right, because I think when you really step back and look at Charlotte, she's very motivated for what she wants, you know, always right like soon we're going to be trying to have a baby. She's very motivated, like she's going to get what she wants. You might not see it coming right that she's going to be like that, but that.
00:15:01
Speaker 3: Almost how she is.
00:15:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mistakenly presume that sometimes she might be more passive in certain situations right where.
00:15:06
Speaker 3: She's No, she is not.
00:15:08
Speaker 1: And that's why she's friends Because some of the people are like, why would she be friends with those? I'm like, well, because they're all powerful in their own way, right, you know. Right.
00:15:26
Speaker 2: So the one thing that I want to mention.
00:15:28
Speaker 5: That I had one hundred person forgotten and really made me laugh so hard, is when we could do the therapist says, you need to go home and your homework is to share a sexual fantasy.
00:15:45
Speaker 3: Charlotte's fantasy. She's the very princess. Don't get the unicorn. Oh my god, that's so hard.
00:15:52
Speaker 2: And Kyle, the.
00:15:53
Speaker 5: Way Kyle is looking at me is the cutest thing I might have ever seen in my life.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: And the way the writers know me is so adorable.
00:16:03
Speaker 5: Because this would totally be true and also really really makes me laugh hard, Like this is the kind of thing that makes me laugh.
00:16:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't he a pirate? Take me off here?
00:16:18
Speaker 2: But it's like.
00:16:20
Speaker 1: Those moments where you're just so thankful that you got the job you did with the writers that you have with you.
00:16:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is priceless. Yeah, it is priceless.
00:16:30
Speaker 1: I think I should take that little edit out and put it with my I've been dating since I was fifteen?
00:16:35
Speaker 2: Where is he? Moment my hair hurts?
00:16:38
Speaker 1: Those two moments I might be my favorite ever. I mean, they're up there in my own work, you know what I'm trying to say, Like I love.
00:16:44
Speaker 3: It so much. Speak level they really really do, they really do.
00:16:48
Speaker 1: And just the writing for my strength and or me being able to do it or whatever it is, it's it's priceless. It's just I'm just a very lucky, lucky.
00:16:58
Speaker 4: Actor because I look at that like describing that fantasy while looking into the eyes of another actor.
00:17:03
Speaker 3: I'm going, I don't know.
00:17:04
Speaker 4: If I do that.
00:17:05
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could make it. I don't know if i'd make it to the end, Like, I just don't just don't.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: Really, I was so excited because you're on my face, so excited I was to do it.
00:17:13
Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
00:17:14
Speaker 1: I'm very excited because I fucking love that so much. I think i'd break, Like I just, oh my god, no, because you have to commit for you to make it funny, you know what I mean. You have to commit fully. That's Charlotte's things. She commits one hundred and ten percent, hundred and fifty percent, I mean, you know. And just Kyle's looking at me with just the such sweetness Judy mean, and he doesn't even look like he might laugh at all. No, Like it's just so sweet how he's looking at me. It's really adorable. So that might have been my favorite part of my storyline. The Judge would be on my least favorite part, and then the.
00:17:48
Speaker 2: Very Princess.
00:17:50
Speaker 3: It's definitely I love it. It's the Unicorn though, it's the unicorn part so good, it's so good.
00:17:59
Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, let's talk about Samantha. Now, this is your storyline. So I love when we get to see Samantha being her publicist self. I think we should have had more episodes with this. I don't know if it's because obviously I live in a world with publicists, but I just really enjoy it, you know, and I could see that she would be a very good one.
00:18:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
00:18:17
Speaker 4: I also feel like you get a little bit of differential between with her personality, like her with men or her with the girls, versus her in that space of being a publicist and being that kind of she just there's something.
00:18:30
Speaker 1: Different, which I love, which I love. That's what I love to see. I love to see that other side of herself. And I think Kat is so funny because she's just very like, I'm in charge. I'm thirteen, but I'm in charge and I'm powerful, and all of you guys.
00:18:45
Speaker 2: Are very powerful too. You know.
00:18:46
Speaker 1: That's what's so adorable about it.
00:18:49
Speaker 2: I don't know if you felt powerful.
00:18:51
Speaker 4: No, I know, my top falling off and I'm just like they're letting me stay here for a few days. No, But it's I think Kat, she just managed to do that so well, which you know that being thirteen or fourteen or whatever, of like, how do you navigate adults that you're going, I am going to make you do what I say and right going to send you guide you on the way to get around to do what I say, and that being it being particularly Samantha, yes, totally.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: It's so fascinating.
00:19:23
Speaker 3: But she does it.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: She does it so well because she does it with such ease. Yeah, you know, she just knows that she's going to get what she wants. She's not in any way struggling or trying too hard to get what she wants. She knows she's going to get it, which I love so much.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: I love so much. She's very very good.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: Obviously, kat is really incredible with whatever she's doing. But so we see we first we see Jenny and we see that she wants, you know, Samantha to be to do her pr and Samantha is not sure. And then we're she tells her you know, the money or whatever, right, Samantha's like, oh okay. And then we're at the restaurant and you guys send Dom Barrinyong over would which is really funny. And then you come over and the girls are just like so blown away by you guys. I'm not there for whatever reason, and they're just like so impressed, and they say that you're all like you're thirty, and Sir justus like Carrie's like, oh.
00:20:15
Speaker 2: They're thirteen.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's just floored, which I think is also just very very Oh and I forgot that Kat's character Jenny says, Carrie knows who Carrie is, and she says, oh, I didn't know you knew Carrie Bradshaw, and then she's fucking fabulous. I think it's all just so accurate because obviously I live with a fourteen year old, So just the fact that they know everything, you know, it's very real.
00:20:41
Speaker 2: It's very real.
00:20:42
Speaker 4: But I also, I don't know if this is sort of in my head or not, but I kind of wonder, you know, we're portraying these girls who are talking to these women of this age with this sort of like complete confidence and agency and all this stuff, and being very rude and condescending and all that stuff. But that was not reality for anyone I knew, you know, even like Kat or Meat, we would never speak to women in their thirties that way, like ever, like you would show respect, you would not do that, and.
00:21:12
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not true anymore.
00:21:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's where it's sort of like, that's the thing, very prophetic, like ahead of time or you know, you're playing these girls that would and feel entitled to behave that way towards people who are older than them.
00:21:25
Speaker 3: They're like that being I don't know that sort of.
00:21:31
Speaker 4: Like at the time, you're going, right, it's pretend, it's pretend we're not actually like doing that.
00:21:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, how you felt that's kindest.
00:21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I probably would have also felt that way obviously, because you know, yeah, for sure I was brought up with manners and whatnot.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: But yeah, you were playing a very specific specific people.
00:21:47
Speaker 1: I mean, we would sometimes be shooting on the Upper east Side and little eight year olds would come up to us and they would be not decked out in the way that you guys at thirteen were, but like on the way to that oh yeah saying yeah, and they would they would just be getting out of school or something.
00:22:02
Speaker 2: They see us filming.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh, we watched the show last week, and we'd be like what, and we would look around, like is their mother here?
00:22:08
Speaker 4: Right?
00:22:09
Speaker 2: So I would hear them and we.
00:22:10
Speaker 1: Would just be like, are you sure you should be watching that?
00:22:13
Speaker 4: Right?
00:22:14
Speaker 1: You know, we were concerned for them, but they were very sure of themselves and very much like they were our peers.
00:22:20
Speaker 2: You know, they would talk like that. Okay, yeah, I mean they were polite.
00:22:24
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that they weren't, but like it was a thing that we would encounter.
00:22:28
Speaker 3: They were not intimidated to speak their minds.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: They were not.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: They were not. They were not.
00:22:32
Speaker 1: No, they were not, and they were like we know you you know like that, And I mean, I have to say and sometimes I think this is great because obviously the world is a really complicated place.
00:22:41
Speaker 2: But my daughter, who obviously is my daughter, so it's different.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: But like she has friends, there's different personalities in the friend group or whatever. But she has one friend who literally talks to me like we are the same age, you know what I'm saying. And I try to keep it going right because because sometimes it goes too far. Like one time I wanted to argue with me about whether tank tops should be tight. It was so funny because like, you know, they're so young, right anyway, don't get me started.
00:23:11
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do have to remind her.
00:23:13
Speaker 3: I was like, how long was this argument? Did you have? Went to your debate?
00:23:17
Speaker 2: Okay?
00:23:17
Speaker 1: In the car, I had taken them to Universal Halloween Horror Nights, which I certifying praise for because it was very terrifying.
00:23:24
Speaker 2: Terrifying, very terrifying. I mean, I've never been. I don't think i'll ever go again, but I had my twenties.
00:23:30
Speaker 3: Never ever happen again.
00:23:31
Speaker 1: I had to beat the chaperone, you know, because they are like adults there that are drinking. Right, So I went and it was in the car on the way home at like one in the morning, right, So like my patients had some run out and I was like, listen, I'm really old and I understand clothes, so don't argue with me about this little girl.
00:23:50
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
00:23:51
Speaker 2: I mean, but I.
00:23:52
Speaker 1: Also love the pluck and the spunk and the Yeah, they're gonna that they're you know, out there figuring things out and they're going to tell you what they think.
00:24:00
Speaker 4: And clothes matters so much, I think for certain girls at certain ages where it's totally their expression and it's how they municate.
00:24:07
Speaker 1: True, it's hard, Yeah, it's so hard as the mom.
00:24:13
Speaker 4: But I remember having friends being younger and having very different feelings towards different clothes because of what, you know.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: What they associated with.
00:24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally. Oh, let's talk about Miranda for a second. I literally no memory of this entire storyline. I think it's hysterical. I also now know there's like a theme where they get stuff stuck in her teeth because it happens again later.
00:24:37
Speaker 3: Does it?
00:24:37
Speaker 4: Yes?
00:24:38
Speaker 1: And she's so game with it one time? And I think we also write it in I can't remember it's later or later like coming. It could be in a movie, but I think it's not. But she's eating salad. She they always wanted us.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: To eat a lot.
00:24:52
Speaker 4: Salad always betrays you, exactly.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: But that's why they loved it, right, because they want it to be as real as possible. And at one point there's a point where they were like, pu on your teeth.
00:25:00
Speaker 2: I remember this.
00:25:01
Speaker 1: But we're at a coffee shop scene, right, and I think we tell her like but she doesn't have the braces like they just torture her sometimes, but of course she doesn't so relatable and she.
00:25:12
Speaker 2: Doesn't care at all.
00:25:13
Speaker 1: She has no vanity. Cynthia Nixon, no vanity whatsoever. But when she gets she goes Okay, so anyway, she I didn't remember all this, the whole backstory, the fact that she comes in like I have clicking jaw and tim j I don't remember any of this.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: It's fascinating.
00:25:29
Speaker 1: It's super fascinating and like way to jump into a storyline. Yeah, DoD, I mean, it's very very interesting.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: And so she's like, you know, this is what I have to do.
00:25:37
Speaker 1: I have to get some braces because her she's a tongue thruster, Like what does this even mean? Oh my god, I know, I don't remember a single bit of it. So then she gets the braces. They're pretty dainty compared to the braces I had eighteen million years ago, which I had like the whole silver you know.
00:25:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I feel like everybody had retainers for that, like the pop.
00:25:58
Speaker 1: In I did eventually have, Oh you did, yeah, but not not.
00:26:02
Speaker 3: But I think the fake ones they had to use would have maybe been less right.
00:26:06
Speaker 1: No, hers look more. I think hers are a different I think we were in between types because obviously I had mine when I was ten years old, okay, long time ago, and now my daughter has them now, and now they have three D printed braces, which is very interesting.
00:26:20
Speaker 3: So they're that's definitely got to be a pop in.
00:26:23
Speaker 1: Oh no, no popping, no popping. It is glued on there. The three D brace brackets are glued on there to to actually move the teeth. The popping and popping out is not going to move your teeth, even like the invisil line is. Yeah, she could have gotten the visiline, but like, I just didn't think that the that the teen was going to be a.
00:26:39
Speaker 4: Whole thing about in missiling because I didn't do it, but a friend did it, and now it's it's very a different kind of commitment, but it is you're taking it with you to the restaurant exact might eat something later, rebrushing exactly.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: And that's why I did not get it for my for my young lady, but I got her the three D And that's kind of what what Miranda's look like. They're dainty, they're not like so super blocky and yeah big yeah, yeah, but they're still pretty prevallege.
00:27:04
Speaker 4: My generation was right when they started pushing the clear braces as a good idea, and you'd see a lot more people with the clear braces, and that just being like the new thing or the new thing that was enough people started doing it for sure.
00:27:17
Speaker 2: For sure.
00:27:17
Speaker 1: So she's got what I considered to be slightly dainty braces, but she feels like they're horrible and like she's the oldest person ever in the world to have braces and my favorite.
00:27:25
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many funny scenes here.
00:27:27
Speaker 1: Obviously when she goes on the date with the guy that you know, she meets in the cafeteria style restaurant with the rest of us, though I guess I was I there or was.
00:27:35
Speaker 2: It not there?
00:27:35
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm there. Wait, no, I am there with my wavy hair. I am there. I'm in one group scene, and that I'm not in one group scene because I think I'm at therapy or whatever, do you know what I mean? Like like now that I'm married, Unfortunately, Charlotte does not get to partake in everything, going to every kind of shad like when they go to La Charlotte does not go and it has to join them later.
00:27:53
Speaker 2: I do come, I do come.
00:27:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was really bummed out. I remember, just because obviously I already looked to your race, like wait, they're all going to.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: Go to La without Charlotte.
00:28:03
Speaker 3: This is terrible. But then they join them than, guys, I live here, I'll show up. I'll just you believe me.
00:28:09
Speaker 1: They knew, but yeah, I was just like, why are they being so mean to me?
00:28:13
Speaker 2: But I do? I do? Come join?
00:28:15
Speaker 1: So she goes on the date that they have previously met at the cafeteria style restaurant who's quite adorable, and then she has just like so much food stuck and embraces and luckily he tells her, I think that's really important. I think that if you're with someone and someone else, you know, gets food stick, that you should tell them. Like sometimes they get really mad at my kids that they haven't told me. I'll get home and I'll look at my teeth. I'll be like, you, guys, why did you not tell me?
00:28:40
Speaker 4: They were like, we didn't see I get the thing where I'm like, would you want them to tell you? Would you not want to? Like, obviously they've seen it. But then once they tell you and you fix it, You're like, they're staring at me.
00:28:51
Speaker 1: Right, But wouldn't you rather get it fixed than just go about your.
00:28:54
Speaker 4: Don't you know?
00:28:55
Speaker 3: Because I can't get out of my head after that. Oh I don't know. It's a very weird thing. Interesting.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: I would want to know.
00:29:01
Speaker 4: I get that feeling of like if someone accidentally, like walks into the bathroom.
00:29:05
Speaker 3: You know that feeling where you're like, you shouldn't feel shame.
00:29:07
Speaker 4: It's like they didn't knock, they opened the door, there was no lock on the door, right, you should not feel a certain way about it. You're like, it's an accident, yes, but you can't shake that feeling. It's the same food in your teeth feeling for me.
00:29:17
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, Oh I would not put them on the same light. No, no, no, no, you're just like.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been caught.
00:29:23
Speaker 2: No, I've been caught.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: No. I just want to know. I don't want to just go through my day or go through the birthday party or whatever it is with the food in the mouth.
00:29:30
Speaker 2: No, don't. It's never a good it's never it's not good.
00:29:32
Speaker 1: I want someone to tell me quickly, quickly when they first see Yes, that's what I think you should do.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: Anyway, she's at this date and he tells her, which I think is really sweet.
00:29:42
Speaker 1: It does seem like she doesn't really recover, which is kind of I think what you're saying and that does make her go decide to get the braces off, but before she is the braces off. I love the scene where she's at the law firm, and I feel she's so great. Miranda as a character is so great because she just says stuff, you know that the the rest of us might think, but we don't say.
00:30:01
Speaker 2: She's with just like, I.
00:30:04
Speaker 1: Don't know, ten guys and she's presenting the brief I guess to the group and there are guys at the other end of the table laughing, kind of snickering, laughing, and she thinks it's about her braces, and so she's trying to push on but she can't. And then she goes, okay, you know, all right, you know down there at the other end of the table, let's.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: Just take a minute and get it out of your system that you're laughing at my braces.
00:30:26
Speaker 1: And they go, hobbs, we were just laughing at the typo on page three.
00:30:32
Speaker 3: So good. It's so good.
00:30:34
Speaker 4: But it's also like what you're saying, where she says the thing that she's so good about being just like say it bluntly, but she says the thing that everybody goes, I should have said this when we get home from work, they're like, what I would have liked to have said was this, But she says it like at the moment.
00:30:50
Speaker 3: She does, she's amazing, that's so cool.
00:30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is good.
00:31:05
Speaker 1: This is very funny and very accurate to now. Still too so Carrie. When Carrie's writing, she says, were Jenny Brier that's Kat Denning's character, where Jenny Brier and her friends dressed like thirty something year old women? Or were we just trying to look like teenagers? One of us was sending down Parrin young while another was touring around New York on a scooter. When you're a teenager, all you want to do is buy beer, But once you hit thirty, all you want to do is get carted. I wondered, in today's youth obsessed culture, are the women of my generation growing into mature, responsible adults or are we thirty four going on thirteen?
00:31:44
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how accurate.
00:31:46
Speaker 3: It's very accurate still.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: To today, because it is still an incredibly youth obsessed culture, probably even more so, I think.
00:31:56
Speaker 4: But I feel like you having like a daughter's fourteen see kind of exactly what today is in that in that way, Whereas I look back at that time and there was.
00:32:07
Speaker 3: A real.
00:32:09
Speaker 4: It depends on you know, what sort of childhood you're coming from, but there was like a broader, real push that it was acceptable to dress like we were dressing, and so do all this stuff while also knowing that that gets attention and like in maybe ways you're not grown enough to be receiving and understanding and all that stuff.
00:32:29
Speaker 1: Well, let's not leave out the year two thousand would be like hey day, Britney spears exactly.
00:32:34
Speaker 3: I was thinking. I was thinking that before before coming.
00:32:38
Speaker 1: It really was.
00:32:38
Speaker 4: It was of such a specific time of that being so normal and acceptable and like that's just what you did, whereas like it's been thought through a lot more, I think in.
00:32:50
Speaker 2: The last year.
00:32:52
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, yes, in some ways, yes, like we saw kind of the damage and now I think there's a lot more awareness. Like the way that we talked about women's bodies, things that people were put through back then culturally horrible, right, But at the same time, I love Serena Carpenter so much, and she's luckily older than Brittany was, but like her music is so sexualized and like how she dresses.
00:33:17
Speaker 2: I mean, have you have you.
00:33:18
Speaker 3: Seen I've seen?
00:33:20
Speaker 1: Oh god, it like I yeah, I'm up on all the stuff you're up on the Yahna. I love her and she's very empowered. Like it's not like she's a victim in any way, right, No, no, no, she's very powerful. She's a tiny, tiny, little five foot thing and she's just like a little powerhouse. But it's so sexualized. My son loves her. He does not know what she's sang in her songs. Thank god, he's seven. Okay, so no one explained this to him. No one explained to him what she's talking about.
00:33:46
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
00:33:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like good bops. You know what I'm saying, right, But if you listen to the.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: Words, it's it's it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff.
00:33:54
Speaker 4: Right.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: But so like, I feel like the music industry in particular is still really just the hot bit of strangeness in terms of the people who are successful seem to be pushed to the women I should say who are successful seem to be pushed somehow. I don't know if they're pushed or they choose it into this very sexualized presentation and performance style and.
00:34:18
Speaker 4: The other thing thing, I don't actually know what the truth of any of it is, except my perception of it, which was like the Britney spears of the Cristiaguilar, like all that time and stuff that came out.
00:34:29
Speaker 3: Like my perception of it was they were heavily encouraged, if not pushed to.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: I felt the same way. I don't know the truth.
00:34:37
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
00:34:38
Speaker 4: I look at a lot of the pop I guess we call it pop stars now, and it feels like they have more agency.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: I like it too, and they're not as young.
00:34:45
Speaker 1: I think there's that, right, Like that's a win no matter what, right, because that at that age is so terrifying, right, like terrifying. But I also feel like, as a parent, you have to make this huge effort to keep your children as young as possible for as long as possible, which is super hard in the world that we live in, right, It's just really really hard. And then you also have to let them be themselves. And then you have to let them develop, you know, in the way that they're developing.
00:35:12
Speaker 2: But it's rough.
00:35:13
Speaker 1: But like like just and there are I think social media in some ways also has a lot of negatives, but then sometimes it can have positives, like there's so many women talking about what we all went through in the nineties, right, right, like talking about how rough it was like with the low cut, and the magazines were all critical of everybody's body at every moment. You know what I'm saying. I was on a different talk show and I walked out. I had never been on the talk show. It was a later night one.
00:35:37
Speaker 2: Right, like not as big a hit, and I walk out.
00:35:40
Speaker 1: They play the entry music, which is why I hate to hear the title credit. Oh, I have so much anxiety about our music because I had so many weird experiences to it.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: I walk out.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: You know, people are cheering really nice. I get there and he goes, so, you guys are the new Golden Girls, And I mean I was probably thirty three or thirty four winning this to me right, And I was like, can I just leave now?
00:36:05
Speaker 4: I feel like what you're saying is not like a group of women that other women want to watch.
00:36:09
Speaker 3: I feel like that's not what you're saying.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: Like you're insulting me.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: And then on the same episode I'm just remembering this, he asked me if size matters, and I was.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Like, why why.
00:36:22
Speaker 1: Are you just going to torture us now? Like are we just going to be tortured? And like there was no preemptive like no one told me like that you're walking into me or told me or said like, oh yeah, he's gonna want to ask you a bunch of.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: Weird things, do you know what I mean?
00:36:37
Speaker 4: And he's going to try to meet one of the girls at lunch and no, he was going to try to be like a provoctan you know, provocateur, sorry, provocateur.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: He's going to be welcome to my mind.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: Everyone talking follow Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: Wait today and oh oh a very important question, kayton Ner, Are you a Charlotte?
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I want I want to ask you what that means?
00:37:03
Speaker 4: So it means whatever you think it means, because I was wondering if people think of it in different ways, like is it more personality or how you react to things?
00:37:11
Speaker 3: Is it more like world she comes from? Or like is it job? Is it? There's all those different things.
00:37:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this is the joy of playing a character for so long. Right, people have their own idea of what or who she is, and it may be my idea, but it might not be like, I'm not gonna make you think about a certain way.
00:37:28
Speaker 4: How strange is it to feel like you're like, yeah, but I was her, but someone else interprets it totally differently, even though I lived in it.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: I'm so used to it.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think as an actor, you you want that, right, Like, you're trying to.
00:37:39
Speaker 2: Play a character that's going to connect to people, and it's going.
00:37:42
Speaker 1: To connect to people based on their own living, their own experience, right, So you don't know what that's going to be. I think the odd thing is that we've been playing them so long that you have now thirty years of experience of people talking to you about her, right, So that is interesting and unusual, but it's great. Yeah, because people say so many different things and they'll remember what.
00:38:02
Speaker 3: It means for them. Yeah.
00:38:03
Speaker 1: The biggest thing I would say would be do you believe in love?
00:38:08
Speaker 3: I do?
00:38:08
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
00:38:10
Speaker 1: You are you super loyal?
00:38:13
Speaker 3: I think so? I hope my friends, I'm sure you are that. I'm sure you are.
00:38:18
Speaker 2: Are you a good cheerleader?
00:38:20
Speaker 3: I try to be?
00:38:21
Speaker 2: Yeah?
00:38:21
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
00:38:24
Speaker 3: What else you guys?
00:38:25
Speaker 2: Do you like white flowers? I do?
00:38:28
Speaker 3: I like my favorite is like white and green together.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: Nice, me too, love white and I love white and green so much?
00:38:35
Speaker 2: Are you?
00:38:36
Speaker 3: I know nothing about art.
00:38:38
Speaker 1: That's where I'm not people that would be like down the list. Okay, I'm saying, yeah, it's not something that.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: People harp on.
00:38:44
Speaker 1: I love that about her, that she loves art yright. I love that about her, but it's certainly not top of the mind. I think there is a traditional quality to Charlotte that I don't personally share.
00:38:57
Speaker 3: But that's where I might kind of differentiate.
00:38:59
Speaker 4: However, I was exposed to a lot of girls with that kind of upbringing, so I can understand.
00:39:05
Speaker 3: It, sure, but it's not. Yeah, I don't right perfect, But I.
00:39:08
Speaker 1: Mean the other thing is you can be anyone you want to be, or you can be different parts of different people or whatever, you know what I mean. Like people think of Miranda as being you know, super smart, powerful, ambitious, calls it like it is, you know, like cut to the chase.
00:39:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly cynical.
00:39:25
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: I kind of walked away from like where I left off or something and watching where whatever Miranda's character had gone through up at that point, I was like, she is like quietly, very very.
00:39:37
Speaker 3: Compassionate and empathetic and.
00:39:39
Speaker 2: Like, oh, definitely, you know, getting these.
00:39:41
Speaker 3: Like things that you're going.
00:39:42
Speaker 4: Oh, it kind of goes against with the presumption of the successful female lawyer.
00:39:47
Speaker 3: You know at that time that's great. Must have like not been or.
00:39:50
Speaker 2: That's so great.
00:39:51
Speaker 4: But I remember being like, yeah, God, would I be able to be that understanding and like how she handles like her long term relationships and all that stuff where you're pretty understanding. Yeah, though in later years maybe not.
00:40:05
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not caught up. Maybe I'm not caught up.
00:40:07
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:40:08
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not.
00:40:09
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to be objective sometimes about the other ones. And then Carrie, you would say, I would think, like, she's creative, she's a writer, she's always thinking, she's wondering about everything. Obviously, I think I'm the least.
00:40:21
Speaker 4: Strangely, I think I'm the least. I remember because that question, that question came up a lot, like before the show even ended.
00:40:28
Speaker 3: I remember when people were watching it, like which one are you?
00:40:30
Speaker 4: Yes, And every girl would try to, you know, figure out which one she was, and always kind of being in this like not like that.
00:40:37
Speaker 3: But I'm a little bit like that and whatever.
00:40:39
Speaker 4: It's a carry thing. Everybody wanted. Everybody was like, I think I'm a Carrie, Like they're not a Carrie.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: You're not you know what I mean? I do?
00:40:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I always looked at like the carry things. She's like, she's the person we're going on the journey with in the essence that she's narrated, although everybody over the of course of the years probably says, well, no, I'm a Charlotte and I'm a I.
00:40:59
Speaker 2: Mean Rand, different feelings at different times too.
00:41:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but feeling like I was the least maybe the least like Samantha, but like just how her her sort of like her creativity or exploration is outward, Yes, and that being part of what's so enjoyable to watch.
00:41:17
Speaker 2: Yes for sure, for sure.
00:41:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:41:20
Speaker 2: So you're a mix, You're a mixed.
00:41:22
Speaker 3: I'm a Charlotte, Miranda, a door sprinkle of some other things.
00:41:26
Speaker 2: Love it, love it, love it, love it.
00:41:29
Speaker 1: Hayton, Liz, so much fun, So nice to have you, and you are just a beautiful woman, grown up so wonderfully.
00:41:39
Speaker 2: Congratulations.
00:41:41
Speaker 4: Thirteen years old was a while ago, I mean it really is, but it's been so cool to look back, but.
00:41:45
Speaker 1: It's amazing that you could have been in that world of being a model actor at thirteen and grown up like a normal person.
00:41:53
Speaker 3: Well normal as relative, of course.
00:41:56
Speaker 2: But you're here with me.
00:41:58
Speaker 1: You're very thoughtful, you know you.
00:42:01
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm impressed. Thank you, You're welcome.
00:42:05
Speaker 1: I do think there is that weird preconception that everyone who was doing those kinds of you know, performance type things at that age was damaged in some way by it.
00:42:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
00:42:19
Speaker 4: In some cases it's it's true, but when in other cases it's actually like I look at a lot of the people that were in the professional world that time when people bring up, oh, you need the people you knew when you were young, because they'll understand all that stuff. But I look at those kids that were professional kids are going we really do like that.
00:42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:40
Speaker 3: But some of them made it, some of them made it out.
00:42:42
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:42:42
Speaker 2: I'm so glad.
00:42:43
Speaker 1: I'm so glad because I don't think it was easy, but I think it has a lot to do Also, like you said, your mom was with you all the time.
00:42:48
Speaker 2: I think that's obviously so super important.
00:42:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you much.
00:42:54
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody