Nov. 24, 2025
Is Slut a Bad Word? with Not Skinny Not Fat Amanda Hirsch... (S3 E6 "Are We Sluts?")
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RSS Feed She's well known for hosting the podcast Not Skinny Not Fat, and now it's Amanda Hirsch's turn to analyze everything Sex and the City. Amanda's hot take: she loves baby Aiden but finds him annoying. The popular podcast host shares with Kristin why Miranda's loose behavior with her work phone is so risky.
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Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we have the amazing Amanda hersh She is the founder, creator, and host of Not Skinny but Not Fat, which is its whole brand, and she is here today to rewatch or Are We Sluts? Which air July sixteenth in the year two thousand and It was directed by Nicole Holofsoner written by Cindy Schupack. I like that intro because.
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Speaker 2: I feel like you personally have been on the forefront of kind of navigating this new world that we live in with what appears to be ease. So I would love just a minute, you know, kind of description like how did you build this whole brand?
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Speaker 1: Like you were so to start when you did.
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Speaker 3: I was smart, I guess, but I think it was just out of pure And this is like advice that I give people is like, my passion was so there that when I started, it wasn't even like, let me build this brand, and you know, it was like, if this is a hobby, if this is a I do this after work to fill my soul, then that's what it is. If this gets me an opportunity or a cool connection or I always thought like something good can come of this, and I just kept going and going, and this was like before TikTok or It's like, I know, how old do I sound that it's like before TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm way older than you. So you know, roll roll with it. I mean, I know you've been doing it.
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Speaker 3: By the way, you've been doing so good content wise, you deserve all the props.
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Speaker 1: I feel like you've been thank you.
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Speaker 4: I trying it.
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Speaker 2: I try, but it's not easy, right, It's not easy because for me, obviously you remember what it used to be like, I mean, you started it not seeing that fat in twenty sixteen, right, is that right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So, I mean that was It doesn't seem like that long ago.
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Speaker 2: But in some ways we're just moving so quickly now in terms of the changing and for me, I've been you know, Sex and City we started nineteen ninety eight, which is insane, right, insane, And obviously I was acting before that, and so just the amount of change that's happened and me trying to just force myself to be in the present. It's hard sometimes, you know, it's it's like huh.
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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you get into it.
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Speaker 3: I can tell that you because I think like whether or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever, it is, like you can tell when it's like okay, but she gets it, like gets it, she's in it. So you deserves the props because like even for me, when I have to like lip sync the thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh I hurting, I mean, that's the funny thing. Yet you have to find what you're comfortable with. And I definitely have people helping me, and I love them very much, and they would come, you know, with the list of ideas and I'd just be like no, no, oh no, like, you know, so stressed by it all. But once I looked at it kind of almost like an acting, you know, like a scene. You know, I have to look at it like that, and then it can be fun and like the lip syncing somehow frees me up, whereas some of the other things I'm just like, oh, so self conscious.
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Speaker 3: You know. Well, maybe it's the actor in you, you know, maybe it's like the let me get my lines, yep, let me be like on on point and on time.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 4: But back to your question, it was just a passion.
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Speaker 3: That's amazing that that that I'm so happy that it's where it's at today. But I was so naive and like go with the flow and believing that like if you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it's it was just like this really natural progression that I'm just so happy about out. But it, you know, when it started, like it like I think about even you know, your show. It's like what I started by doing was kind of watching shows and talking about that, right.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what the kernel in the beginning was like, was it just kind of like your love for what you were watching in pop culture?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like let's talk about, you know, what's going on in pop culture. But also I would like watch a show with people, so I would like film the screen talk about it. You know, that's cool and kind of that was not to give myself too much credit, but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at the time and then like flipping the camera because it was like an old you know, it wasn't trying to look pretty. It was just like filming a scene talking about it and people really as you know, because even think about rewatch podcasts, people love diving deeper talking even if they've watched the show a million times, even if you're late to it, because there are shows that I not like timely about, like oh, let's watch the show that everybody watched five years ago.
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Speaker 4: But it really build like this community of people that.
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Speaker 3: Like love to like dig in you know, yeah, and I feel like it's more people than not that like you know, all these after shows and like I said, recap pods and like let's talk about it and let's go back to it and let's so there's really like appetentunity.
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Speaker 4: For that, yeah, appetite for that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So so it grew from there, amaze. It keeps some kind of like changing and evolving. But my love for like my podcast and talking to people like you is really you know what I love because it's just so fascinating to me, you know, loving it for so many years and then getting to talk to the people that are doing it, that are in it, that lived it. Yeah, it all comes together.
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Speaker 1: I think is really fun too.
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Speaker 2: And I do love like it's a kind of a really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch. I mean, for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because I felt like all these other people were, you know, who don't have anything to do with the show, And of course that's flattering that they even want to write. But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for us to be able to kind of go back in time and talk about what it was like, because back in the day we didn't really I feel like for us, we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of what it was like. We just wanted it to live in a fantasy on the screen, right, And so like if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun, isn't it fun? We just say yes, when in fact we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night and you know what I'm saying. But people, we felt like we didn't want to necessarily like that we would seem like we were complaining if we talked about the realities of it. But I feel like now people are so much more educated about what goes into making shows and films, and you know, they're interested in the details, which I think is really cool.
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Speaker 3: We're interested, but okay, so here's my thing. I feel like sometimes we're too interesting, you know what I mean? Yeah, yea yeah, because like even now, like I love like what you're talking about personally, like the inside Baseball and breaking the fourth wall and like all of it, like give it to all to me, like I care about every last detail. But I feel like there's something to be said about, like exactly like your time of filming it how mysterious, how chic that we didn't know fucking every day? Yeah yeah, yeah, And now it's like every actor that has a fucking kissing scene needs to talk about the intimacy coordinator and we hear about it.
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Speaker 1: If you like the.
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Speaker 3: Intimation, if you use it, if you didn't use it, And then, oh, you know what.
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Speaker 4: I hate the most when like let us live in.
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Speaker 3: The fantasy that these actors are in love and like I don't care that you have a family and like a husband.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a good point, that is a really good point.
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Speaker 3: And then they go in these press tours like actors that play lovers that in the movie you're like, oh my god, they're in love, like you want to believe the sex scene, you want to live it, And then are in a interview, being like, you know, it was so technical, That's right. I love to say it was all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you think it is. You know, it's yes, And I'm like.
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Speaker 1: I are we losing something?
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Speaker 2: Are we losing something that is an integral part of the audience experience by discussing it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there is that I've thought about this because you can tell I've thought about it. Yeah, there's that that I don't love and another thing that I don't love. And I wonder how it was like when you were filming is like the paparazzi.
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Speaker 1: I think it's terrible that.
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Speaker 4: We're seeing every guest star.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing what they're wearing.
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Speaker 4: You're seeing what they're wearing.
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Speaker 1: They look mad? Are they mad at the scene? You know what I'm saying. You're seeing so many.
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Speaker 3: Kissing scenes that maybe we're not supposed to see.
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Speaker 1: So yep, No, it's out of control.
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Speaker 4: It's it really is.
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Speaker 1: It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It was out of control for us for a really long time.
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Speaker 2: But back when we were doing the original show, they were there, you know, all day long with us, but we didn't have social media, so it was which picture did the magazine buy? Right, So you might see one picture and maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would end up.
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Speaker 1: Like in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing our lines, you know, with our script on our hand, but maybe they would crop the script out so it looked like we were arguing with each other when in fact, you're just trying to remember your line, right, and then they would read into it like Kristen's mad no whatever, nonsense, you know what I'm saying, in like the lower the lower tabloids, right, But you wouldn't see the whole day, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: Now, it wouldn't circulate like it wouldn't be shared a gazillion times one magazine you.
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Speaker 4: Saw it or you did.
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Speaker 2: Right right right right now, it's the whole you're just papered. I mean, I also feel like it makes you for us, the thing that was hard. We needed to be out on the streets, right, that's part of our whole, you know, brand and reason whatever. I don't know how to put it. It's like integral to the fabric of our of our being, of our show. And yet we knew if we were out there. Everything was going to be documented, so then it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do pretend scenes to throw people off. It just became a whole other animal.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Do you think everyone's dealing with this, like everyone who's filming now on the show?
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Speaker 1: I think depends on how much experience they have with it, right, because I think for us, we did have this really long history of the PEPs being with us where we know their names and they eeded our craft services, which is.
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Speaker 2: You know, weird, but that's how it was, right, Like they were just part in a weird way, like we need their cooperation, right because like if they're in the shot, obviously that's not a good take. So we had to say like please, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, can you guys back up?
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Speaker 2: Like we need their help, and so we kind of had to deal with it in a certain way. But I don't know that everyone is used to that, right, So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't necessarily thinking about, Okay, now, blow by blow, this is going to be documented and circulated. As you said, do we want and Haway to be falling down the stairs publicly? Or whatever, or should we put that scene inside or you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: Right, we were both thinking of Devil as product too.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, And I mean we know them, you know, that's our costume designer and David Frankel is one of our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while, so I don't know if they were really aware of what they were walking into, you know what I mean, they might have been.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think on some level, I think that studios feel like it's helpful, you know.
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Speaker 3: Like getting it promoted and like yeah, exposure. Yeah, but like Devil where is proud of too? I mean I get if you're doing something, but I mean we're gonna be there, you know, like not sure you need it.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: And I also feel like so much fun is in the outfits and the interactions and you don't necessarily want to know stuff, you know.
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Speaker 4: I don't don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to know.
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Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of people feel like that. Yeah, So I don't know like how it can be avoided. But yeah, some things were lost in this craziness and some some stuff is too much. But I do love like knowing kind of what happened. I feel like I wonder if with you this is me like flipping the script.
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Speaker 1: For it, but like I expected it, but like.
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Speaker 3: If also the time away from the show and being able to rewatch it, because in it makes sense, you're working, you're this, you're that You're not able to see it from the outside, but like are you able to see from the outside now, Like damn, that was like iconic?
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Speaker 4: Like that is a one thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yes, definitely.
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Speaker 2: I hate that word so much because I feel like people use it so much now.
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Speaker 3: I know, but like, but but you text on the City Diane Keaton, when I use that word for her rest and peace, I.
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Speaker 1: Was like, she is an icon Oh you know, like yes, no, that's inappropriate usage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, there are people and things that like are deserving.
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Speaker 4: But I agree with you on that too. It is overused and it is it is.
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Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason that I don't like that word so much is because even at the time, people would use it to our faces and we'd.
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Speaker 1: Just be like, ah ah, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Like during the original show and we just be like, we're too young and new to use use that word. Also, I think because we were in it right. So like, on the one hand, I think on a certain level, like we knew from the response right that things were powerful, But until you have some time and some space to look back, it's really hard to take it in, I think. So, I think for me, like the joy part part of the joy is connecting with people like yourselves and you know, fans and unlikely fans, and then also people from our show and being able to talk about what it means today, which if you had told me in nineteen ninety eight that we would be doing this, I never would have believed you, you know, in a million hundred years.
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Speaker 1: And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know, and the power of what the show was.
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Speaker 2: Like the idea of the show being about for you know, powerful women who are all different but trying to navigate you know, relationships and talking openly about it obviously a great idea Darren Starr had and Kennice bushnel. But like the fact that it hasn't been really replicated. I mean, yes, there are definitely shows similar, right like now we have I Love La or I don't know if we really think that similar, But you know what I'm saying, like Girls, you know, Insecure, I mean, I could keep going, but and I love all of those shows, and I think all of those shows have their own kind of identity and DNA, you know, but they're at least they're women's perspectives, which I love so much. You know, that's a show that I want to watch all those shows because I love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the fact that we weren't a soap opera, you know, was the thing that was different, right, Like we made a big effort not to be I don't know really even how to categorize that, but right we were trying to be a comedy and trying to tell the stories where we would go from kind of the dramatic to the comedic in a way that was not so soapy.
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Speaker 4: And like, god, only twenty three minutes, I know.
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Speaker 2: I know, when I look back on it, that part really amazes me.
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Speaker 4: It's so short.
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Speaker 3: Like I I'm interviewing, like, come somebody from a reality show today and every episode is an hour okay, wow hour of reality TV en episode okay, And then I got my homework for this, which is bested and and it was.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I feel the same when I watch it.
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Speaker 4: I was like, twenty three minutes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, like so much story, right.
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Speaker 3: And so much story Like, no wonder people are binging in now because it's freaking binge able.
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Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.
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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back, I mean, I am able to be much more objective about it, I think at the time, because the thing, the reality for us filming it was that it's twenty to twenty three minutes. But to film it was very hard because we had to do all the little scenes that would connect by the voiceover to fit right. So it was like the A storyline, B storyline, C storyline, D storyline.
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Speaker 1: We're all part of the theme.
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Speaker 2: Especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like really gelled together, right, So it's like filming an hour long show, but we don't have the time for an hour long show, especially in the beginning, and then the scenes are really short, right because she's connecting them through her voiceover.
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Speaker 1: So when people would be like, oh, it's so fun and you're on a sitcom, and.
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Speaker 2: We'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom. We're on a single camera show. That's like doing a film every week, you know, like a like a That is what made it challenging to film it, but it's also what made it great to watch it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now that you're saying that, I'm like, right, it's like in the episode even that we watched, it's like telling stories the same theme, similar theme, but like we get to see you, Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda all going through something, all in twenty three minute.
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Speaker 1: Wo I know, it is amazing to think about it.
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Speaker 2: And again I just go back to our writers and how incredibly economical and smart they were.
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Speaker 1: And also the.
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Speaker 2: Thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is the dialogue and having to really you know, the dialogue. They wanted us to be like fast, fast, fast, you know, like a old school kind of almost like Carol Lombard or I don't know how to put it, but like quick, quick, quick, quick, right, And so if we had a we didn't have one in this in this episode, but like if we had a long walk and talk with all of us, it was like very challenging, you know, because.
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Speaker 1: We had to be on it.
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Speaker 2: We had to be walking and talking in those heels and everything had to be fast, and then I would have thought when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how many moments of silence there are.
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Speaker 3: But I think that, oh, you're really like you're watching it from like so many different for sure.
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Speaker 1: For sure.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's partly why actors don't like to watch themselves, right, It is like we dissect and you know, critique everything, right, But it's nice from this perspective of time, right because I obviously cannot change my performance.
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Speaker 1: Now, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying, Like it gives you a freedom to just look at it like honestly, you know, in terms of all of the things that are working, and every once in a while think to myself, like I could.
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Speaker 1: Have been better in that scene. But whatever.
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Speaker 2: It's just that's how actors are, you know what I'm saying. But I think it's like the reason that people I think there's a couple of reasons that people still love the show, and the writing and the subject matter I think is kind of like forever interesting relationships obviously, but then I think the reason that people feel so connected to the characters are these moments of silence.
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Speaker 4: Because I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, damn it, notice show.
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Speaker 1: You'll think about it. You'll think about it.
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Speaker 2: Like, for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about this one, which is part of also why it's interesting for me to look back at the show.
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Speaker 1: There's some things I have no memory of. I remember every moment of my storyline, which we will get to, and.
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Speaker 2: It's not one of my favorites. It is my probably possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad when I look back at it as how I had remembered it, you know, of course, because I had to live it at the time. I have this dude shouting, shouting obscenities in my face.
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Speaker 1: But we'll get to that.
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Speaker 2: But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I had completely forgotten why she moved from the Upper east Side to the meatpacking district. I had not remembered that she had let one of her gentleman callers in late at night and a criminal had followed him and like robbed and beat a woman in her like an older woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this, and it was kind of sad, I thought, and also sad that they all judge her in the way her neighbors are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this. And it's interesting because I feel like she has her Samantha blushed, you know, but at the same time you can see the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet moments in the elevator.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, where she's like self conscious.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting because I don't The thing that I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom. You know, like such a powerful character and she is so free, but at the same time, she's so human, and those moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to see her face and then see her try to kind of put her cover back on, you know, like you know, how.
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Speaker 1: Dare they judge me? But at the same time you can tell it hurts.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true.
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Speaker 3: That's but I feel like that's why people, you know, connected with Samantha so much, because she is so like multi layered. Like it's not just like, oh, I like sleep with everyone and I don't care, you know. She has those moments of like feeling and feeling like she didn't care to like make out in front of the elevator guy of you know, every day of the week.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that montage is pretty hysterical.
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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I died over the elevator guy. Yeah, but yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the building judging her, Yeah, she wants out, nobody's kicking her out. She doesn't. She doesn't want to feel judged. It doesn't feel good for anyone.
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Speaker 1: No, of course, he doesn't feel good for anyone, for sure. And I like that.
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Speaker 2: And I had totally forgotten about it. I had also completely forgotten about the Miranda storyline with Steve where they discuss how many.
00:22:28
Speaker 1: People they got sex with.
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Speaker 2: And I also forgot about chlamydia. I forgot all about this stuff.
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Speaker 3: So about Steve that I did remember that. You know, your show has so many lines that are now I can never.
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Speaker 4: Say iconic again.
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Speaker 3: But sorry, sorry, No, you're right, you're right, I'm with you. So many lines that are like top you know, like ones that you will remember forever.
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Speaker 4: They're in the go in the history books.
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Speaker 3: And I have to say for me personally, and I wonder if for other people they're like what, I'm a bar time and I'm cute.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, so good.
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Speaker 4: So good.
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Speaker 3: I feel like the minute because I like you, I I kind of forgot the chlamoitya storyline everything, but the minute Steve said like what, I'm a bytender and I'm cute.
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Speaker 4: I'm like I was brought back. I was brought back.
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Speaker 3: And I was like, that's like, I mean top top twenty, Like, den't the lines that that that you remember?
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Speaker 1: And also like he's so interesting.
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Speaker 2: Steve is such an interesting character, and David does obviously just incredibly brilliant job in terms of like the way that he is within what they've written. You know, he has so many, so many emotions play on his face at so many.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't remember if he like had sex with a lot of people or not.
00:23:47
Speaker 1: Me.
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Speaker 3: Man, he could have, and it could have went each way for me. Like if you would have said you're I'm a virgin, you're the first person.
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Speaker 2: Friend, I would have been like, Steve, you know, so I thought he was going to say four, I really did.
00:24:01
Speaker 1: I really did, I really really did.
00:24:03
Speaker 4: That's where I was I was like, wait, what Steve, Steve?
00:24:07
Speaker 3: I know then so and then when he does that line, you know, it kind of comes.
00:24:13
Speaker 4: It was really good.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: It was really good.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
00:24:15
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, like he's you know, he's like one of those sweet loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend. Like it's going to be a low number, and Miranda's going to feel slutty, right, because that's the name of the episode.
00:24:28
Speaker 1: But right.
00:24:28
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was surprising when he had a like the kids say today, high body count.
00:24:34
Speaker 1: Totally high body count for Steve. Wow, yes, and for Miranda.
00:24:39
Speaker 2: So it kind of works out because for me, when I watched that whole episode, first of all, I've totally forgotten about the chlamydia.
00:24:45
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Miranda.
00:24:47
Speaker 2: You know, it's like such a kind of a nightmare thing for a woman that you go to the guynecologist and all of a sudden they're like, oh, yes, and you have.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: A sexually transmitted disease. And I'm you know how horrible.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: And she's been in this relation and with Steve for a while and then she has to call everybody, which is of course beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's David Lansbury's character who gave it to her.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: I'm so cranky.
00:25:13
Speaker 2: That's David Lansbury. Yes, remember the angry guy, like he was the shouting guy.
00:25:19
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And she calls him and he's like what, like he's really mad and she and she is Miranda.
00:25:27
Speaker 2: Is so interesting to see Miranda get like shaken by somebody.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: She stands up.
00:25:31
Speaker 2: Do you remember she's on the phone, she's like rolling the calls of all the guys, and you know, he's like what you know, so mean right away, and she stands up because she has like a physical memory of him just yelling at her. I don't know if you remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two, and she kind of turns into like a she's like waiting on him like a like a trad wife or something, do you know what I mean? Like she's like just trying to keep him calm because he just shouts at everybody.
00:25:57
Speaker 1: It's super interesting.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: He he's like, yeah, I had it.
00:26:05
Speaker 4: You know.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: He doesn't even didn't call her like completely inconsiderate jerk.
00:26:09
Speaker 3: It made me laugh that it made me laugh that she called him from her law firm.
00:26:16
Speaker 4: Office phone to his like whatever he does.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: I think he's office or he's a finance Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:23
Speaker 3: He looks financing, he looks like I feel like those are the moments because you were saying before, like the show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know, like in the way that like even this episode, like I don't think there's anything about it that that really couldn't apply to today.
00:26:40
Speaker 4: You know.
00:26:40
Speaker 3: She could like with like wanting to sleep with somebody, them waiting, you being all of that, feeling like a slut. STDs haven't gone away. Yeah, so but like the but then you're like office phone and office phone would never happen today, you know what I mean.
00:26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
00:27:01
Speaker 2: And also just the phones in general, like when Samantha's on that old fashioned phone.
00:27:05
Speaker 4: What I know. It's a funny. I just actually posted the other day.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: I had this like flashback that like I used to call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid, you know, yeah, and like how embarrassing for my mom that all day were three girls like I'm calling my other sisters, calling my other sister, and we'd call for anything like we want, like filter the calls and everyone was like, oh my god, yes, like we used to call our parents' office, you know, and and if it couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary, was it, whatever it was, it was like hi, and it was It's just a different time. And I feel like, now, even if you have an office phone, you're not making personal.
00:27:49
Speaker 4: Calls off that phone. Now. Definitely, I'm not making STD related calls off.
00:27:54
Speaker 1: That definitely, definitely.
00:27:56
Speaker 2: I just had a moment that I thought of and just like that, when I'm trying to sell the painting to Sam Smith and Rock calls over something really minor, and I'm like, I'm trying to sell paint into Sam Smith, and I'm like, why are you calling me? Like I thought someone died, you know, I'm in a panic because they're like Charlotte, you know, Roxton the call, and it was very much a throwback to how it used to be, which is interesting to think about because now we would just text.
00:28:23
Speaker 3: Right now, we would just text, yep, and you would probably text about the c Yeah, you for sure would text about the chlamythia.
00:28:31
Speaker 1: Because you'd be too embarrassed to call.
00:28:33
Speaker 3: I know, I wonder listen I'm not in the dating world, so I'm I I probably don't have the you know, the knowledge, but like do people do that, Like they get an STD and they.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: You know, it's their question next. Yeah, I don't know. Do they go through their rolodex or their like app they saying right, did I swife less?
00:28:53
Speaker 2: Right?
00:28:53
Speaker 4: Or who did I listen?
00:28:55
Speaker 3: It is you know, there is a stigma around it, but it is embarrassing. And what I love about Miranda in this and just like shows you about Miranda, Like she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so cool about it. Like if you need to watch an instructional video on how to like handle telling a partner like yes slap on this episode. Yeah yeah, because the way she tells Steve and like is so cool. I agree, he said a non issue and then it's like take care, like you go test it out, make sure you're okay.
00:29:29
Speaker 4: Like I was like I would have sex with her.
00:29:32
Speaker 3: With the chlamittee in that moment because she was like so freakin' cool about it.
00:29:37
Speaker 2: I agree, And he's so childish about it. It's one of those moments where she has to be the mom which is interesting because he's like now now I don't want to go, and she's like, no, you have to go. She's like, you know, talking to your child, like you have to go. And he's like, but why you already have it? And he said, she says, because then you'll just give it back to me, like she has to explain, you know, be by. But I also, I mean, it's interesting. It's hard not to think about where we know those characters go, right, because obviously so much happens with Steven Miranda as the years go on, and it's all so good, Like you know, the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops in my head, like so many different things pop in my head when I'm watching them, and I think it's the through line of their characters is so it holds so true, you know, even with all the different situations they find themselves in as the years go along. And I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about, like how hard it would be to stay you know, completely centered in who those characters are and what they've been through for all these years.
00:30:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, like as actors, right yeah, yeah, yeah, right, how.
00:30:57
Speaker 4: Do you do that? How do you like transform back? Into.
00:31:02
Speaker 1: I mean you click in.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: As an actor, you just click back in, you know what I'm saying, Like like there's like a muscle memory type of a of a situation that comes over you. But I think that the reason that we can click back in is because the writers have held the truth and written it honestly to where you don't have to think, like, wait.
00:31:22
Speaker 1: Is this would I do this? Would I not do this?
00:31:25
Speaker 2: Like like certainly for Harry and Charlotte, you know it's I would never even it just lives, it has like its own life, you know what I mean.
00:31:34
Speaker 3: The only person that I don't know about that that I that didn't that that like I feel like even today seeing him in that episode, Aiden, tell me tell me?
00:31:50
Speaker 4: Sorry? Can I can? I tell you my thoughts?
00:31:52
Speaker 1: Of course that's why we're here, Okay, Okay.
00:31:55
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:31:56
Speaker 3: It's like I missed that Aiden, and I missed that knock and it just like it wasn't the same Aiden.
00:32:01
Speaker 4: And then just like that, Oh really do you feel that I do?
00:32:05
Speaker 3: But like here are two options, like yeah, obviously, like I witnessed my mom getting older, Like people get older, they change, their personalities can change, they can become more, you know of like certain qualities in them can can become exacerbated.
00:32:22
Speaker 4: Like nothing.
00:32:23
Speaker 3: He has to be the same guy, right, but like damn young Aiden.
00:32:28
Speaker 1: Young Aiden, dreamy.
00:32:31
Speaker 3: Like dreamy, the nook, the like romantic, the peat, like it all worked, you know, like it was, it all worked. And in this episode, by the way, in this episode he was a little annoying, like young Aiden, So.
00:32:55
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you feel because obviously I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it. Like when I see John Corbet's little babyface.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: I mean it really it.
00:33:07
Speaker 2: Was such a baby, such a baby and like so incredibly adorable, and it just kind of.
00:33:15
Speaker 1: Brings home to me, like the.
00:33:19
Speaker 2: Length that we've all been working together in like so much like a flood of emotion, you know, when I see the little babyface and I love it so much and I'm trying to get him to come on the pod and I haven't succeeded yet, but fingers crossed because we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I hate right, but I feel I feel unsure because I don't feel like I've got an objectivity on and just like that's Aiden, right, because we're still kind of I'm not haven't processed a having you know, but I know what you're saying, And let me ask you the question that comes to my mind A couple a couple of things, because when I was watching this particular aid in episode, I was thinking that there's a like a controlling element of him.
00:34:01
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying kind.
00:34:03
Speaker 2: Of that.
00:34:05
Speaker 3: Does kind of remain right throughout right? You know, I'm saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, Okay, love the nook, love the like vibes, yeah, but did not love.
00:34:19
Speaker 4: You're right, Oh my god, this goes deep.
00:34:22
Speaker 1: Right, But we didn't think this back in the day, did we. I don't think we thought that.
00:34:27
Speaker 3: We thought it was like big bad Aiden good? How did she do this to like good Aiden? And then there was that episode of him being super annoying with like the construction that got us.
00:34:39
Speaker 1: Like a little annoying, yes, yes.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: But not like annoyed enough where we would like turn on him, right, I think we just turned on him in and and just like that, like we it didn't happen in Texan City. Just like that, we started to like ask questions, but no, here he was like, excuse me, sir, why is it your decision by yourself?
00:35:02
Speaker 4: Like when you're gonna penetrate.
00:35:04
Speaker 1: Interesting right the bath?
00:35:07
Speaker 3: If he didn't get in that bath, I know, let me tell you if. Because again we talked about not remembering, right, so I'm watching like not remembering did he get in the bath or does he leave her there like a loser in the bath?
00:35:21
Speaker 4: Like by the way Carrie does.
00:35:23
Speaker 3: She has these moments where she's you know, she goes with the flow, you know, she gives into whatever the man wants, a little too much.
00:35:31
Speaker 1: Well because she doubts herself.
00:35:33
Speaker 2: My reading of that was that because of the Big situation, she inherently has a question of like maybe I really do need to just do something different, right, like because Big went so badly, you know, when there hasn't really been anybody like great since then or whatever, right that I can remember at least, so probably not, you know what I'm saying, Like there's Jon bon Jovi or whatever, like weird things have happened been since Big, you know. And so then I think, just as a woman, you start to think like, well, maybe I should just do something totally.
00:36:06
Speaker 3: Different, right, Maybe I should get in the bath by myself and he's like at the door. But another thing that annoyed me that he said because he got in the bath, so that's good. But another thing that as again a woman, I don't know how I would feel. And I wonder how like women that are single and like are in the mix right.
00:36:26
Speaker 4: Now would feel.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: But when he said to her like, the next time I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody that I care about.
00:36:33
Speaker 4: I know you're like, so.
00:36:34
Speaker 3: Then you're deducing, Like okay, then you don't care about me? Yeah, yeah, And then he follows up with and I think I can get to caring about you.
00:36:44
Speaker 1: I know it was strange. I know it was strange by the way.
00:36:48
Speaker 3: I don't know, like Carrie doesn't have an ego, but I would literally die.
00:36:52
Speaker 4: I'd be like, what do you mean You're not in love with me after a week? You know what I mean?
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Like I do, I do know what you mean?
00:36:58
Speaker 2: I think that I'm I'm single. I wouldn't really describe myself as in the mix, but I am single, right, so certainly as a woman. When I was watching it, I also didn't remember any of this right, so I was unclear on what was actually going to happen.
00:37:14
Speaker 1: You know. I just remember that there was like a series of fantastic outfits that she wears, do you know what I mean, Like the skirt that's like slit, you know, like her whole leg and showed like that.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: Was hot, by the way, that really hot hot makeouts in they give it to like Carrie, like the makeouts because so many times, I, like I told you, I get into things. So I'll watch shows and I'll really look at the kissing. Yeah, and I'm a perv no, but and I'll be like, I want to see the chemistry, Like I want to believe that it's hot. So first of all, their kissing chemistry is there, and then yeah, his hand goes up that slitted the jeweled skirt or what else is so beautiful and it really goes up in there and it looks supernatural.
00:38:00
Speaker 1: So natural.
00:38:01
Speaker 2: Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of amazing because also the big chemistry is obviously amazing. So I do think that that is you know, Sarah Jessica just being so fucking good. Yeah, Like when I look back, I mean, I tell you, I'm amazed at literally all of us, but like they're just so good.
00:38:26
Speaker 1: My co stars my people. They're so good. It is so rewarding to watch.
00:38:31
Speaker 2: And I think also because you're in it, right, and we're just all trying to you know, like we get through the hours of working till sunrise and you know, like trying to figure out what we're gonna wear to the things, and you know what I'm saying, there's so much going on right that you don't get to really appreciate each other's work in a way. So it's really nice to see. And I mean John Corbett incredibly good, like so good because the fact that he can say these things. Because I also was like, wait, what You're going to care about her?
00:38:59
Speaker 4: Like, oh, like I really think I can. Yeah, one way, I know, I know.
00:39:07
Speaker 1: I was also thrown off and I felt like for her.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is me projecting, it definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know, when the chemistry is so good, right, you kind of can't you know, really think that straight, you know what I'm saying. And I feel because she's she's so confused, like when he's not there, She's like, wait a minute, what am I doing?
00:39:29
Speaker 1: What is happening? What is actually happening?
00:39:31
Speaker 2: Right, which I definitely have felt so many times myself too, Like when you're not in the presence of the person and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does not make sense.
00:39:40
Speaker 1: Why am I doing this?
00:39:41
Speaker 4: Right?
00:39:41
Speaker 2: But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there, you're just like, yes, I want to do this, whatever it is, it's going to work out because I think the vibe, you know, is so powerful.
00:39:51
Speaker 4: But then he ruins the vibe you know.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: But then but then he like cuts the vibe every time because of this new vie he does.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: He does, but I think she is so not used to that that she doesn't even really know what to do. And I feel like, in some ways, and if you think about Big, Big had all the power, right, and so it was like her trying all the time to kind of express herself and connect and get more out of him, you know, that continual thing that you get into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this is changing, but I don't know if it is. Where you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I get them to talk about their feelings?
00:40:27
Speaker 1: It's so impossible.
00:40:28
Speaker 2: And then here's aiden who seems, you know, to be so much more transparent, right, but then is also kind of withholding in a different way. So I feel like that must be something that Carrie is drawn to.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: I wonder if like you do a f well you're doing like a rewatch rewatch, but if yeah, if we would see Aiden in kind of a different lens from the get and see all these things in him that maybe come out a little bit more later when he's older and kids at everything. But we do know that there are moments where he gets really jelly, where he like forces his way into moving in together, where he you know, is can't look past the big stuff, which makes sense. Yeah, but it was really nice to see baby John and the way he is, like just as an actor, so good at like those moments of the insane chemistry and the moments of just like telling her the most like annoying, like devastating thing in the moment, but in this like cute way of like I'm gonna go home.
00:41:40
Speaker 4: You know, I know, I know.
00:41:42
Speaker 1: It's so strange.
00:41:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting Evan early morning, Like the way he says it is just so you know, it's not like an whole guy who's like I can't gotta go waking up, but just the way he says it is like so disappointing, and you're like, but why you know totally And then and then it begs the question like which is the whole episode of? And then Carrie asks herself, Wait, why was I thinking that we needed to have sex after less than a week and a half?
00:42:10
Speaker 1: Like she like the right, which I feel like that.
00:42:14
Speaker 2: And I haven't really done the apps, but I know a bunch of people who have, and luckily know a bunch of younger people, and I ask them questions like what is the norm now?
00:42:24
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the norm is?
00:42:26
Speaker 2: And someone someone said to me, a guy was telling me about this this girl that he really liked and he'd known her like he was not an app situation. He'd been introduced by I think his uncle that she wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like what, Like that was so much He was like, Wow, you're really vetting this?
00:42:51
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
00:42:53
Speaker 3: But the thing is like, are we talking about this or are we just letting? Like cause like with the Carrie and Naden thing, it's like it's hot, it's heavy, it's there, Just do it, like who cares?
00:43:05
Speaker 4: Like what the thing is that you're doing. I don't know.
00:43:08
Speaker 3: To me, it feels like, why are we putting so much pressure on like that act?
00:43:14
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
00:43:15
Speaker 1: I do know what you mean, like is there a time?
00:43:18
Speaker 3: Because I know I follow some like you know, influencers do some dating advice, and I'll see girls asking them questions like when or how, and I just wonder, like can things that just be like based on the vibe and the chemistry.
00:43:34
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent, one hundred percent, but I also feel these.
00:43:37
Speaker 1: Are questions that will never go.
00:43:39
Speaker 3: Away exactly, which is why it's so good. But the three dinner dates kills me, Like what if after three dinner dates you see that like you know, he's a turn off and he like has boogers all the time. I don't know, then you're still having the sex, because.
00:43:55
Speaker 2: What happened in this particular situation was that it was I think also really different for him, and I think sometimes there's something.
00:44:04
Speaker 1: To be said. Let's say, like.
00:44:06
Speaker 2: If you look at Carrie right, who's obviously like possibly just the hottest person you know on the planet. Probably she gets what she wants all the time. Meaning in terms of the initial beginning of relationships right, not obviously ultimately as we know from big but like this guy that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to getting what he wants, is my main point. So I think the fact that this woman who was a little older than him and they didn't meet on the app right, like it was a much more kind of old fashioned type situation. The fact that she actually held herself back, I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh, this is different.
00:44:44
Speaker 4: That may happen.
00:44:45
Speaker 3: That's that's what is so interesting, Like it's I feel like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct and if the chemistry is there, and if it's all happening, then why why not why like stop yourself if that's what you want. But then there also is this other element of we do know that playing games kind of.
00:45:05
Speaker 1: Works, right unfortunately, yes.
00:45:08
Speaker 3: Like kind but yes it kind of works to be like a little hard to get but not whatever that is, and it kind of works to like hold off and make them want it more than give it up. But oh my god, that is so confusing also, like how do you how do you compute it all together?
00:45:27
Speaker 1: But maybe that's what Aiden's doing but.
00:45:30
Speaker 3: Then you can say, maybe there is the person for you that you don't have to play the games with and that's like you're a person.
00:45:39
Speaker 4: But that's what I want to believe that.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I want to believe it to Amanda, let's go with that. I like the games.
00:45:44
Speaker 2: I've never been good at the games. The games in my mind are just less.
00:45:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like, maybe there's like the person for you that you can just be you.
00:45:55
Speaker 1: Yes, they'll be them, Yes, like you'll let it be organic and let.
00:45:59
Speaker 3: It be organic and you don't have to pretend and they don't have to pretend. And that's what I want to That's what I want to believe.
00:46:06
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Let's go with it.
00:46:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder, like when I was watching Aiden, I I don't know if we're going to find out more about him. I feel like for a long time we we don't really.
00:46:18
Speaker 1: Right, Like we just know how he is with Carrie.
00:46:21
Speaker 2: Is coming where we find out that they're friends Steve and Aid.
00:46:25
Speaker 4: And then they open the.
00:46:26
Speaker 2: Bar yep, which is all really interesting and I'd also forgotten all of that. But it kind of I like it and I want to know more, Like I kind of want to know more about the men.
00:46:36
Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm saying.
00:46:38
Speaker 3: You know, when you talk about the show for someone, I need to rewatch it too. But and we have those lines like the Steve one. There's like a line that's so random, but to me it applies to like I think I've said it like.
00:46:53
Speaker 4: Five times in the last month.
00:46:54
Speaker 3: Wow, And I say it often, and I feel like other people could get this. So there's the episode ware and this is just like a random throwbag. There was an episode where okay, so Big starts dating.
00:47:09
Speaker 4: What was his wife's name?
00:47:11
Speaker 3: Right starts I think, wait, was she the model that he was in love with?
00:47:15
Speaker 4: No? No, yeah, no, the model.
00:47:18
Speaker 3: There was a model that he was in love with where he was calling Carrie about her. Oh no, do you remember this? There was a model that he loved. No, he was calling Carry about and he would be like Carrie, call Carry like the middle the night. He's like, the problem is I can't reach her. She can reach me, but I can't reach her. Oh no, no, don't remember. And then he goes to the cabin with Aiden.
00:47:42
Speaker 4: We're not there yet.
00:47:43
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet.
00:47:44
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Interesting.
00:47:46
Speaker 3: So jealous of whoever does this recap with you because that the cabin episode, oh so good, yaya when you get to the cabin.
00:47:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll help me back on.
00:47:58
Speaker 4: Okay, call me back with the cabin episode and we'll get I.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Remember the cabin episode being like beyond good. All right, we're having so much fun talking to Amanda that we're going to make a part two. Please join us later in the week on Are You a Charlotte
Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? Today we have the amazing Amanda hersh She is the founder, creator, and host of Not Skinny but Not Fat, which is its whole brand, and she is here today to rewatch or Are We Sluts? Which air July sixteenth in the year two thousand and It was directed by Nicole Holofsoner written by Cindy Schupack. I like that intro because.
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Speaker 2: I feel like you personally have been on the forefront of kind of navigating this new world that we live in with what appears to be ease. So I would love just a minute, you know, kind of description like how did you build this whole brand?
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Speaker 1: Like you were so to start when you did.
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Speaker 3: I was smart, I guess, but I think it was just out of pure And this is like advice that I give people is like, my passion was so there that when I started, it wasn't even like, let me build this brand, and you know, it was like, if this is a hobby, if this is a I do this after work to fill my soul, then that's what it is. If this gets me an opportunity or a cool connection or I always thought like something good can come of this, and I just kept going and going, and this was like before TikTok or It's like, I know, how old do I sound that it's like before TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm way older than you. So you know, roll roll with it. I mean, I know you've been doing it.
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Speaker 3: By the way, you've been doing so good content wise, you deserve all the props.
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Speaker 1: I feel like you've been thank you.
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Speaker 4: I trying it.
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Speaker 2: I try, but it's not easy, right, It's not easy because for me, obviously you remember what it used to be like, I mean, you started it not seeing that fat in twenty sixteen, right, is that right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: So, I mean that was It doesn't seem like that long ago.
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Speaker 2: But in some ways we're just moving so quickly now in terms of the changing and for me, I've been you know, Sex and City we started nineteen ninety eight, which is insane, right, insane, And obviously I was acting before that, and so just the amount of change that's happened and me trying to just force myself to be in the present. It's hard sometimes, you know, it's it's like huh.
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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you get into it.
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Speaker 3: I can tell that you because I think like whether or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever, it is, like you can tell when it's like okay, but she gets it, like gets it, she's in it. So you deserves the props because like even for me, when I have to like lip sync the thing.
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Speaker 2: Oh I hurting, I mean, that's the funny thing. Yet you have to find what you're comfortable with. And I definitely have people helping me, and I love them very much, and they would come, you know, with the list of ideas and I'd just be like no, no, oh no, like, you know, so stressed by it all. But once I looked at it kind of almost like an acting, you know, like a scene. You know, I have to look at it like that, and then it can be fun and like the lip syncing somehow frees me up, whereas some of the other things I'm just like, oh, so self conscious.
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Speaker 3: You know. Well, maybe it's the actor in you, you know, maybe it's like the let me get my lines, yep, let me be like on on point and on time.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 4: But back to your question, it was just a passion.
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Speaker 3: That's amazing that that that I'm so happy that it's where it's at today. But I was so naive and like go with the flow and believing that like if you keep doing something that you love, something good will come of it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it's it was just like this really natural progression that I'm just so happy about out. But it, you know, when it started, like it like I think about even you know, your show. It's like what I started by doing was kind of watching shows and talking about that, right.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what the kernel in the beginning was like, was it just kind of like your love for what you were watching in pop culture?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like let's talk about, you know, what's going on in pop culture. But also I would like watch a show with people, so I would like film the screen talk about it. You know, that's cool and kind of that was not to give myself too much credit, but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at the time and then like flipping the camera because it was like an old you know, it wasn't trying to look pretty. It was just like filming a scene talking about it and people really as you know, because even think about rewatch podcasts, people love diving deeper talking even if they've watched the show a million times, even if you're late to it, because there are shows that I not like timely about, like oh, let's watch the show that everybody watched five years ago.
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Speaker 4: But it really build like this community of people that.
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Speaker 3: Like love to like dig in you know, yeah, and I feel like it's more people than not that like you know, all these after shows and like I said, recap pods and like let's talk about it and let's go back to it and let's so there's really like appetentunity.
00:05:25
Speaker 4: For that, yeah, appetite for that.
00:05:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So so it grew from there, amaze. It keeps some kind of like changing and evolving. But my love for like my podcast and talking to people like you is really you know what I love because it's just so fascinating to me, you know, loving it for so many years and then getting to talk to the people that are doing it, that are in it, that lived it. Yeah, it all comes together.
00:05:51
Speaker 1: I think is really fun too.
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Speaker 2: And I do love like it's a kind of a really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch. I mean, for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because I felt like all these other people were, you know, who don't have anything to do with the show, And of course that's flattering that they even want to write. But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for us to be able to kind of go back in time and talk about what it was like, because back in the day we didn't really I feel like for us, we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of what it was like. We just wanted it to live in a fantasy on the screen, right, And so like if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun, isn't it fun? We just say yes, when in fact we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night and you know what I'm saying. But people, we felt like we didn't want to necessarily like that we would seem like we were complaining if we talked about the realities of it. But I feel like now people are so much more educated about what goes into making shows and films, and you know, they're interested in the details, which I think is really cool.
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Speaker 3: We're interested, but okay, so here's my thing. I feel like sometimes we're too interesting, you know what I mean? Yeah, yea yeah, because like even now, like I love like what you're talking about personally, like the inside Baseball and breaking the fourth wall and like all of it, like give it to all to me, like I care about every last detail. But I feel like there's something to be said about, like exactly like your time of filming it how mysterious, how chic that we didn't know fucking every day? Yeah yeah, yeah, And now it's like every actor that has a fucking kissing scene needs to talk about the intimacy coordinator and we hear about it.
00:07:40
Speaker 1: If you like the.
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Speaker 3: Intimation, if you use it, if you didn't use it, And then, oh, you know what.
00:07:44
Speaker 4: I hate the most when like let us live in.
00:07:46
Speaker 3: The fantasy that these actors are in love and like I don't care that you have a family and like a husband.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a good point, that is a really good point.
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Speaker 3: And then they go in these press tours like actors that play lovers that in the movie you're like, oh my god, they're in love, like you want to believe the sex scene, you want to live it, And then are in a interview, being like, you know, it was so technical, That's right. I love to say it was all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you think it is. You know, it's yes, And I'm like.
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Speaker 1: I are we losing something?
00:08:23
Speaker 2: Are we losing something that is an integral part of the audience experience by discussing it?
00:08:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there is that I've thought about this because you can tell I've thought about it. Yeah, there's that that I don't love and another thing that I don't love. And I wonder how it was like when you were filming is like the paparazzi.
00:08:44
Speaker 1: I think it's terrible that.
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Speaker 4: We're seeing every guest star.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing what they're wearing.
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Speaker 4: You're seeing what they're wearing.
00:08:52
Speaker 1: They look mad? Are they mad at the scene? You know what I'm saying. You're seeing so many.
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Speaker 3: Kissing scenes that maybe we're not supposed to see.
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Speaker 1: So yep, No, it's out of control.
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Speaker 4: It's it really is.
00:09:05
Speaker 1: It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It was out of control for us for a really long time.
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Speaker 2: But back when we were doing the original show, they were there, you know, all day long with us, but we didn't have social media, so it was which picture did the magazine buy? Right, So you might see one picture and maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would end up.
00:09:30
Speaker 1: Like in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing our lines, you know, with our script on our hand, but maybe they would crop the script out so it looked like we were arguing with each other when in fact, you're just trying to remember your line, right, and then they would read into it like Kristen's mad no whatever, nonsense, you know what I'm saying, in like the lower the lower tabloids, right, But you wouldn't see the whole day, you know what I mean.
00:09:54
Speaker 3: Now, it wouldn't circulate like it wouldn't be shared a gazillion times one magazine you.
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Speaker 4: Saw it or you did.
00:10:01
Speaker 2: Right right right right now, it's the whole you're just papered. I mean, I also feel like it makes you for us, the thing that was hard. We needed to be out on the streets, right, that's part of our whole, you know, brand and reason whatever. I don't know how to put it. It's like integral to the fabric of our of our being, of our show. And yet we knew if we were out there. Everything was going to be documented, so then it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do pretend scenes to throw people off. It just became a whole other animal.
00:10:36
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Do you think everyone's dealing with this, like everyone who's filming now on the show?
00:10:42
Speaker 1: I think depends on how much experience they have with it, right, because I think for us, we did have this really long history of the PEPs being with us where we know their names and they eeded our craft services, which is.
00:10:55
Speaker 2: You know, weird, but that's how it was, right, Like they were just part in a weird way, like we need their cooperation, right because like if they're in the shot, obviously that's not a good take. So we had to say like please, you.
00:11:08
Speaker 1: Know, can you guys back up?
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Speaker 2: Like we need their help, and so we kind of had to deal with it in a certain way. But I don't know that everyone is used to that, right, So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't necessarily thinking about, Okay, now, blow by blow, this is going to be documented and circulated. As you said, do we want and Haway to be falling down the stairs publicly? Or whatever, or should we put that scene inside or you know what I'm saying.
00:11:35
Speaker 4: Right, we were both thinking of Devil as product too.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, And I mean we know them, you know, that's our costume designer and David Frankel is one of our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while, so I don't know if they were really aware of what they were walking into, you know what I mean, they might have been.
00:11:53
Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think on some level, I think that studios feel like it's helpful, you know.
00:12:01
Speaker 3: Like getting it promoted and like yeah, exposure. Yeah, but like Devil where is proud of too? I mean I get if you're doing something, but I mean we're gonna be there, you know, like not sure you need it.
00:12:12
Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: And I also feel like so much fun is in the outfits and the interactions and you don't necessarily want to know stuff, you know.
00:12:22
Speaker 4: I don't don't.
00:12:23
Speaker 1: I don't want to know.
00:12:24
Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of people feel like that. Yeah, So I don't know like how it can be avoided. But yeah, some things were lost in this craziness and some some stuff is too much. But I do love like knowing kind of what happened. I feel like I wonder if with you this is me like flipping the script.
00:12:44
Speaker 1: For it, but like I expected it, but like.
00:12:48
Speaker 3: If also the time away from the show and being able to rewatch it, because in it makes sense, you're working, you're this, you're that You're not able to see it from the outside, but like are you able to see from the outside now, Like damn, that was like iconic?
00:13:02
Speaker 4: Like that is a one thing.
00:13:05
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yes, definitely.
00:13:07
Speaker 2: I hate that word so much because I feel like people use it so much now.
00:13:11
Speaker 3: I know, but like, but but you text on the City Diane Keaton, when I use that word for her rest and peace, I.
00:13:17
Speaker 1: Was like, she is an icon Oh you know, like yes, no, that's inappropriate usage.
00:13:22
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, there are people and things that like are deserving.
00:13:25
Speaker 4: But I agree with you on that too. It is overused and it is it is.
00:13:29
Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason that I don't like that word so much is because even at the time, people would use it to our faces and we'd.
00:13:36
Speaker 1: Just be like, ah ah, you know what I'm saying.
00:13:38
Speaker 2: Like during the original show and we just be like, we're too young and new to use use that word. Also, I think because we were in it right. So like, on the one hand, I think on a certain level, like we knew from the response right that things were powerful, But until you have some time and some space to look back, it's really hard to take it in, I think. So, I think for me, like the joy part part of the joy is connecting with people like yourselves and you know, fans and unlikely fans, and then also people from our show and being able to talk about what it means today, which if you had told me in nineteen ninety eight that we would be doing this, I never would have believed you, you know, in a million hundred years.
00:14:24
Speaker 1: And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know, and the power of what the show was.
00:14:29
Speaker 2: Like the idea of the show being about for you know, powerful women who are all different but trying to navigate you know, relationships and talking openly about it obviously a great idea Darren Starr had and Kennice bushnel. But like the fact that it hasn't been really replicated. I mean, yes, there are definitely shows similar, right like now we have I Love La or I don't know if we really think that similar, But you know what I'm saying, like Girls, you know, Insecure, I mean, I could keep going, but and I love all of those shows, and I think all of those shows have their own kind of identity and DNA, you know, but they're at least they're women's perspectives, which I love so much. You know, that's a show that I want to watch all those shows because I love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the fact that we weren't a soap opera, you know, was the thing that was different, right, Like we made a big effort not to be I don't know really even how to categorize that, but right we were trying to be a comedy and trying to tell the stories where we would go from kind of the dramatic to the comedic in a way that was not so soapy.
00:15:48
Speaker 4: And like, god, only twenty three minutes, I know.
00:15:52
Speaker 2: I know, when I look back on it, that part really amazes me.
00:15:56
Speaker 4: It's so short.
00:15:57
Speaker 3: Like I I'm interviewing, like, come somebody from a reality show today and every episode is an hour okay, wow hour of reality TV en episode okay, And then I got my homework for this, which is bested and and it was.
00:16:15
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I feel the same when I watch it.
00:16:19
Speaker 4: I was like, twenty three minutes.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, like so much story, right.
00:16:26
Speaker 3: And so much story Like, no wonder people are binging in now because it's freaking binge able.
00:16:31
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.
00:16:33
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back, I mean, I am able to be much more objective about it, I think at the time, because the thing, the reality for us filming it was that it's twenty to twenty three minutes. But to film it was very hard because we had to do all the little scenes that would connect by the voiceover to fit right. So it was like the A storyline, B storyline, C storyline, D storyline.
00:17:00
Speaker 1: We're all part of the theme.
00:17:01
Speaker 2: Especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like really gelled together, right, So it's like filming an hour long show, but we don't have the time for an hour long show, especially in the beginning, and then the scenes are really short, right because she's connecting them through her voiceover.
00:17:19
Speaker 1: So when people would be like, oh, it's so fun and you're on a sitcom, and.
00:17:23
Speaker 2: We'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom. We're on a single camera show. That's like doing a film every week, you know, like a like a That is what made it challenging to film it, but it's also what made it great to watch it.
00:17:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that you're saying that, I'm like, right, it's like in the episode even that we watched, it's like telling stories the same theme, similar theme, but like we get to see you, Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda all going through something, all in twenty three minute.
00:18:00
Speaker 1: Wo I know, it is amazing to think about it.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: And again I just go back to our writers and how incredibly economical and smart they were.
00:18:09
Speaker 1: And also the.
00:18:10
Speaker 2: Thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is the dialogue and having to really you know, the dialogue. They wanted us to be like fast, fast, fast, you know, like a old school kind of almost like Carol Lombard or I don't know how to put it, but like quick, quick, quick, quick, right, And so if we had a we didn't have one in this in this episode, but like if we had a long walk and talk with all of us, it was like very challenging, you know, because.
00:18:33
Speaker 1: We had to be on it.
00:18:34
Speaker 2: We had to be walking and talking in those heels and everything had to be fast, and then I would have thought when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how many moments of silence there are.
00:18:45
Speaker 3: But I think that, oh, you're really like you're watching it from like so many different for sure.
00:18:51
Speaker 1: For sure.
00:18:51
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's partly why actors don't like to watch themselves, right, It is like we dissect and you know, critique everything, right, But it's nice from this perspective of time, right because I obviously cannot change my performance.
00:19:05
Speaker 1: Now, do you know what I mean?
00:19:06
Speaker 2: Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying, Like it gives you a freedom to just look at it like honestly, you know, in terms of all of the things that are working, and every once in a while think to myself, like I could.
00:19:17
Speaker 1: Have been better in that scene. But whatever.
00:19:19
Speaker 2: It's just that's how actors are, you know what I'm saying. But I think it's like the reason that people I think there's a couple of reasons that people still love the show, and the writing and the subject matter I think is kind of like forever interesting relationships obviously, but then I think the reason that people feel so connected to the characters are these moments of silence.
00:19:41
Speaker 4: Because I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, damn it, notice show.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: You'll think about it. You'll think about it.
00:19:47
Speaker 2: Like, for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about this one, which is part of also why it's interesting for me to look back at the show.
00:19:55
Speaker 1: There's some things I have no memory of. I remember every moment of my storyline, which we will get to, and.
00:20:00
Speaker 2: It's not one of my favorites. It is my probably possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad when I look back at it as how I had remembered it, you know, of course, because I had to live it at the time. I have this dude shouting, shouting obscenities in my face.
00:20:21
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that.
00:20:22
Speaker 2: But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I had completely forgotten why she moved from the Upper east Side to the meatpacking district. I had not remembered that she had let one of her gentleman callers in late at night and a criminal had followed him and like robbed and beat a woman in her like an older woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this, and it was kind of sad, I thought, and also sad that they all judge her in the way her neighbors are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this. And it's interesting because I feel like she has her Samantha blushed, you know, but at the same time you can see the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet moments in the elevator.
00:21:07
Speaker 4: And yeah, where she's like self conscious.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting because I don't The thing that I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom. You know, like such a powerful character and she is so free, but at the same time, she's so human, and those moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to see her face and then see her try to kind of put her cover back on, you know, like you know, how.
00:21:32
Speaker 1: Dare they judge me? But at the same time you can tell it hurts.
00:21:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true.
00:21:38
Speaker 3: That's but I feel like that's why people, you know, connected with Samantha so much, because she is so like multi layered. Like it's not just like, oh, I like sleep with everyone and I don't care, you know. She has those moments of like feeling and feeling like she didn't care to like make out in front of the elevator guy of you know, every day of the week.
00:21:58
Speaker 1: But yeah, that montage is pretty hysterical.
00:22:01
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I died over the elevator guy. Yeah, but yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the building judging her, Yeah, she wants out, nobody's kicking her out. She doesn't. She doesn't want to feel judged. It doesn't feel good for anyone.
00:22:18
Speaker 1: No, of course, he doesn't feel good for anyone, for sure. And I like that.
00:22:22
Speaker 2: And I had totally forgotten about it. I had also completely forgotten about the Miranda storyline with Steve where they discuss how many.
00:22:28
Speaker 1: People they got sex with.
00:22:30
Speaker 2: And I also forgot about chlamydia. I forgot all about this stuff.
00:22:33
Speaker 3: So about Steve that I did remember that. You know, your show has so many lines that are now I can never.
00:22:41
Speaker 4: Say iconic again.
00:22:42
Speaker 3: But sorry, sorry, No, you're right, you're right, I'm with you. So many lines that are like top you know, like ones that you will remember forever.
00:22:52
Speaker 4: They're in the go in the history books.
00:22:54
Speaker 3: And I have to say for me personally, and I wonder if for other people they're like what, I'm a bar time and I'm cute.
00:23:01
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, so good.
00:23:03
Speaker 4: So good.
00:23:05
Speaker 3: I feel like the minute because I like you, I I kind of forgot the chlamoitya storyline everything, but the minute Steve said like what, I'm a bytender and I'm cute.
00:23:15
Speaker 4: I'm like I was brought back. I was brought back.
00:23:17
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's like, I mean top top twenty, Like, den't the lines that that that you remember?
00:23:24
Speaker 1: And also like he's so interesting.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: Steve is such an interesting character, and David does obviously just incredibly brilliant job in terms of like the way that he is within what they've written. You know, he has so many, so many emotions play on his face at so many.
00:23:44
Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't remember if he like had sex with a lot of people or not.
00:23:47
Speaker 1: Me.
00:23:48
Speaker 3: Man, he could have, and it could have went each way for me. Like if you would have said you're I'm a virgin, you're the first person.
00:23:54
Speaker 2: Friend, I would have been like, Steve, you know, so I thought he was going to say four, I really did.
00:24:01
Speaker 1: I really did, I really really did.
00:24:03
Speaker 4: That's where I was I was like, wait, what Steve, Steve?
00:24:07
Speaker 3: I know then so and then when he does that line, you know, it kind of comes.
00:24:13
Speaker 4: It was really good.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: It was really good.
00:24:15
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
00:24:15
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, like he's you know, he's like one of those sweet loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend. Like it's going to be a low number, and Miranda's going to feel slutty, right, because that's the name of the episode.
00:24:28
Speaker 1: But right.
00:24:28
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was surprising when he had a like the kids say today, high body count.
00:24:34
Speaker 1: Totally high body count for Steve. Wow, yes, and for Miranda.
00:24:39
Speaker 2: So it kind of works out because for me, when I watched that whole episode, first of all, I've totally forgotten about the chlamydia.
00:24:45
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Miranda.
00:24:47
Speaker 2: You know, it's like such a kind of a nightmare thing for a woman that you go to the guynecologist and all of a sudden they're like, oh, yes, and you have.
00:24:54
Speaker 1: A sexually transmitted disease. And I'm you know how horrible.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: And she's been in this relation and with Steve for a while and then she has to call everybody, which is of course beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's David Lansbury's character who gave it to her.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: I'm so cranky.
00:25:13
Speaker 2: That's David Lansbury. Yes, remember the angry guy, like he was the shouting guy.
00:25:19
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And she calls him and he's like what, like he's really mad and she and she is Miranda.
00:25:27
Speaker 2: Is so interesting to see Miranda get like shaken by somebody.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: She stands up.
00:25:31
Speaker 2: Do you remember she's on the phone, she's like rolling the calls of all the guys, and you know, he's like what you know, so mean right away, and she stands up because she has like a physical memory of him just yelling at her. I don't know if you remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two, and she kind of turns into like a she's like waiting on him like a like a trad wife or something, do you know what I mean? Like she's like just trying to keep him calm because he just shouts at everybody.
00:25:57
Speaker 1: It's super interesting.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: He he's like, yeah, I had it.
00:26:05
Speaker 4: You know.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: He doesn't even didn't call her like completely inconsiderate jerk.
00:26:09
Speaker 3: It made me laugh that it made me laugh that she called him from her law firm.
00:26:16
Speaker 4: Office phone to his like whatever he does.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: I think he's office or he's a finance Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:23
Speaker 3: He looks financing, he looks like I feel like those are the moments because you were saying before, like the show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know, like in the way that like even this episode, like I don't think there's anything about it that that really couldn't apply to today.
00:26:40
Speaker 4: You know.
00:26:40
Speaker 3: She could like with like wanting to sleep with somebody, them waiting, you being all of that, feeling like a slut. STDs haven't gone away. Yeah, so but like the but then you're like office phone and office phone would never happen today, you know what I mean.
00:26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
00:27:01
Speaker 2: And also just the phones in general, like when Samantha's on that old fashioned phone.
00:27:05
Speaker 4: What I know. It's a funny. I just actually posted the other day.
00:27:11
Speaker 3: I had this like flashback that like I used to call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid, you know, yeah, and like how embarrassing for my mom that all day were three girls like I'm calling my other sisters, calling my other sister, and we'd call for anything like we want, like filter the calls and everyone was like, oh my god, yes, like we used to call our parents' office, you know, and and if it couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary, was it, whatever it was, it was like hi, and it was It's just a different time. And I feel like, now, even if you have an office phone, you're not making personal.
00:27:49
Speaker 4: Calls off that phone. Now. Definitely, I'm not making STD related calls off.
00:27:54
Speaker 1: That definitely, definitely.
00:27:56
Speaker 2: I just had a moment that I thought of and just like that, when I'm trying to sell the painting to Sam Smith and Rock calls over something really minor, and I'm like, I'm trying to sell paint into Sam Smith, and I'm like, why are you calling me? Like I thought someone died, you know, I'm in a panic because they're like Charlotte, you know, Roxton the call, and it was very much a throwback to how it used to be, which is interesting to think about because now we would just text.
00:28:23
Speaker 3: Right now, we would just text, yep, and you would probably text about the c Yeah, you for sure would text about the chlamythia.
00:28:31
Speaker 1: Because you'd be too embarrassed to call.
00:28:33
Speaker 3: I know, I wonder listen I'm not in the dating world, so I'm I I probably don't have the you know, the knowledge, but like do people do that, Like they get an STD and they.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: You know, it's their question next. Yeah, I don't know. Do they go through their rolodex or their like app they saying right, did I swife less?
00:28:53
Speaker 2: Right?
00:28:53
Speaker 4: Or who did I listen?
00:28:55
Speaker 3: It is you know, there is a stigma around it, but it is embarrassing. And what I love about Miranda in this and just like shows you about Miranda, Like she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so cool about it. Like if you need to watch an instructional video on how to like handle telling a partner like yes slap on this episode. Yeah yeah, because the way she tells Steve and like is so cool. I agree, he said a non issue and then it's like take care, like you go test it out, make sure you're okay.
00:29:29
Speaker 4: Like I was like I would have sex with her.
00:29:32
Speaker 3: With the chlamittee in that moment because she was like so freakin' cool about it.
00:29:37
Speaker 2: I agree, And he's so childish about it. It's one of those moments where she has to be the mom which is interesting because he's like now now I don't want to go, and she's like, no, you have to go. She's like, you know, talking to your child, like you have to go. And he's like, but why you already have it? And he said, she says, because then you'll just give it back to me, like she has to explain, you know, be by. But I also, I mean, it's interesting. It's hard not to think about where we know those characters go, right, because obviously so much happens with Steven Miranda as the years go on, and it's all so good, Like you know, the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops in my head, like so many different things pop in my head when I'm watching them, and I think it's the through line of their characters is so it holds so true, you know, even with all the different situations they find themselves in as the years go along. And I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about, like how hard it would be to stay you know, completely centered in who those characters are and what they've been through for all these years.
00:30:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, like as actors, right yeah, yeah, yeah, right, how.
00:30:57
Speaker 4: Do you do that? How do you like transform back? Into.
00:31:02
Speaker 1: I mean you click in.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: As an actor, you just click back in, you know what I'm saying, Like like there's like a muscle memory type of a of a situation that comes over you. But I think that the reason that we can click back in is because the writers have held the truth and written it honestly to where you don't have to think, like, wait.
00:31:22
Speaker 1: Is this would I do this? Would I not do this?
00:31:25
Speaker 2: Like like certainly for Harry and Charlotte, you know it's I would never even it just lives, it has like its own life, you know what I mean.
00:31:34
Speaker 3: The only person that I don't know about that that I that didn't that that like I feel like even today seeing him in that episode, Aiden, tell me tell me?
00:31:50
Speaker 4: Sorry? Can I can? I tell you my thoughts?
00:31:52
Speaker 1: Of course that's why we're here, Okay, Okay.
00:31:55
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:31:56
Speaker 3: It's like I missed that Aiden, and I missed that knock and it just like it wasn't the same Aiden.
00:32:01
Speaker 4: And then just like that, Oh really do you feel that I do?
00:32:05
Speaker 3: But like here are two options, like yeah, obviously, like I witnessed my mom getting older, Like people get older, they change, their personalities can change, they can become more, you know of like certain qualities in them can can become exacerbated.
00:32:22
Speaker 4: Like nothing.
00:32:23
Speaker 3: He has to be the same guy, right, but like damn young Aiden.
00:32:28
Speaker 1: Young Aiden, dreamy.
00:32:31
Speaker 3: Like dreamy, the nook, the like romantic, the peat, like it all worked, you know, like it was, it all worked. And in this episode, by the way, in this episode he was a little annoying, like young Aiden, So.
00:32:55
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you feel because obviously I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it. Like when I see John Corbet's little babyface.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: I mean it really it.
00:33:07
Speaker 2: Was such a baby, such a baby and like so incredibly adorable, and it just kind of.
00:33:15
Speaker 1: Brings home to me, like the.
00:33:19
Speaker 2: Length that we've all been working together in like so much like a flood of emotion, you know, when I see the little babyface and I love it so much and I'm trying to get him to come on the pod and I haven't succeeded yet, but fingers crossed because we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I hate right, but I feel I feel unsure because I don't feel like I've got an objectivity on and just like that's Aiden, right, because we're still kind of I'm not haven't processed a having you know, but I know what you're saying, And let me ask you the question that comes to my mind A couple a couple of things, because when I was watching this particular aid in episode, I was thinking that there's a like a controlling element of him.
00:34:01
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying kind.
00:34:03
Speaker 2: Of that.
00:34:05
Speaker 3: Does kind of remain right throughout right? You know, I'm saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, Okay, love the nook, love the like vibes, yeah, but did not love.
00:34:19
Speaker 4: You're right, Oh my god, this goes deep.
00:34:22
Speaker 1: Right, But we didn't think this back in the day, did we. I don't think we thought that.
00:34:27
Speaker 3: We thought it was like big bad Aiden good? How did she do this to like good Aiden? And then there was that episode of him being super annoying with like the construction that got us.
00:34:39
Speaker 1: Like a little annoying, yes, yes.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: But not like annoyed enough where we would like turn on him, right, I think we just turned on him in and and just like that, like we it didn't happen in Texan City. Just like that, we started to like ask questions, but no, here he was like, excuse me, sir, why is it your decision by yourself?
00:35:02
Speaker 4: Like when you're gonna penetrate.
00:35:04
Speaker 1: Interesting right the bath?
00:35:07
Speaker 3: If he didn't get in that bath, I know, let me tell you if. Because again we talked about not remembering, right, so I'm watching like not remembering did he get in the bath or does he leave her there like a loser in the bath?
00:35:21
Speaker 4: Like by the way Carrie does.
00:35:23
Speaker 3: She has these moments where she's you know, she goes with the flow, you know, she gives into whatever the man wants, a little too much.
00:35:31
Speaker 1: Well because she doubts herself.
00:35:33
Speaker 2: My reading of that was that because of the Big situation, she inherently has a question of like maybe I really do need to just do something different, right, like because Big went so badly, you know, when there hasn't really been anybody like great since then or whatever, right that I can remember at least, so probably not, you know what I'm saying, Like there's Jon bon Jovi or whatever, like weird things have happened been since Big, you know. And so then I think, just as a woman, you start to think like, well, maybe I should just do something totally.
00:36:06
Speaker 3: Different, right, Maybe I should get in the bath by myself and he's like at the door. But another thing that annoyed me that he said because he got in the bath, so that's good. But another thing that as again a woman, I don't know how I would feel. And I wonder how like women that are single and like are in the mix right.
00:36:26
Speaker 4: Now would feel.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: But when he said to her like, the next time I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody that I care about.
00:36:33
Speaker 4: I know you're like, so.
00:36:34
Speaker 3: Then you're deducing, Like okay, then you don't care about me? Yeah, yeah, And then he follows up with and I think I can get to caring about you.
00:36:44
Speaker 1: I know it was strange. I know it was strange by the way.
00:36:48
Speaker 3: I don't know, like Carrie doesn't have an ego, but I would literally die.
00:36:52
Speaker 4: I'd be like, what do you mean You're not in love with me after a week? You know what I mean?
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Like I do, I do know what you mean?
00:36:58
Speaker 2: I think that I'm I'm single. I wouldn't really describe myself as in the mix, but I am single, right, so certainly as a woman. When I was watching it, I also didn't remember any of this right, so I was unclear on what was actually going to happen.
00:37:14
Speaker 1: You know. I just remember that there was like a series of fantastic outfits that she wears, do you know what I mean, Like the skirt that's like slit, you know, like her whole leg and showed like that.
00:37:25
Speaker 3: Was hot, by the way, that really hot hot makeouts in they give it to like Carrie, like the makeouts because so many times, I, like I told you, I get into things. So I'll watch shows and I'll really look at the kissing. Yeah, and I'm a perv no, but and I'll be like, I want to see the chemistry, Like I want to believe that it's hot. So first of all, their kissing chemistry is there, and then yeah, his hand goes up that slitted the jeweled skirt or what else is so beautiful and it really goes up in there and it looks supernatural.
00:38:00
Speaker 1: So natural.
00:38:01
Speaker 2: Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of amazing because also the big chemistry is obviously amazing. So I do think that that is you know, Sarah Jessica just being so fucking good. Yeah, Like when I look back, I mean, I tell you, I'm amazed at literally all of us, but like they're just so good.
00:38:26
Speaker 1: My co stars my people. They're so good. It is so rewarding to watch.
00:38:31
Speaker 2: And I think also because you're in it, right, and we're just all trying to you know, like we get through the hours of working till sunrise and you know, like trying to figure out what we're gonna wear to the things, and you know what I'm saying, there's so much going on right that you don't get to really appreciate each other's work in a way. So it's really nice to see. And I mean John Corbett incredibly good, like so good because the fact that he can say these things. Because I also was like, wait, what You're going to care about her?
00:38:59
Speaker 4: Like, oh, like I really think I can. Yeah, one way, I know, I know.
00:39:07
Speaker 1: I was also thrown off and I felt like for her.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is me projecting, it definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know, when the chemistry is so good, right, you kind of can't you know, really think that straight, you know what I'm saying. And I feel because she's she's so confused, like when he's not there, She's like, wait a minute, what am I doing?
00:39:29
Speaker 1: What is happening? What is actually happening?
00:39:31
Speaker 2: Right, which I definitely have felt so many times myself too, Like when you're not in the presence of the person and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does not make sense.
00:39:40
Speaker 1: Why am I doing this?
00:39:41
Speaker 4: Right?
00:39:41
Speaker 2: But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there, you're just like, yes, I want to do this, whatever it is, it's going to work out because I think the vibe, you know, is so powerful.
00:39:51
Speaker 4: But then he ruins the vibe you know.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: But then but then he like cuts the vibe every time because of this new vie he does.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: He does, but I think she is so not used to that that she doesn't even really know what to do. And I feel like, in some ways, and if you think about Big, Big had all the power, right, and so it was like her trying all the time to kind of express herself and connect and get more out of him, you know, that continual thing that you get into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this is changing, but I don't know if it is. Where you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I get them to talk about their feelings?
00:40:27
Speaker 1: It's so impossible.
00:40:28
Speaker 2: And then here's aiden who seems, you know, to be so much more transparent, right, but then is also kind of withholding in a different way. So I feel like that must be something that Carrie is drawn to.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: I wonder if like you do a f well you're doing like a rewatch rewatch, but if yeah, if we would see Aiden in kind of a different lens from the get and see all these things in him that maybe come out a little bit more later when he's older and kids at everything. But we do know that there are moments where he gets really jelly, where he like forces his way into moving in together, where he you know, is can't look past the big stuff, which makes sense. Yeah, but it was really nice to see baby John and the way he is, like just as an actor, so good at like those moments of the insane chemistry and the moments of just like telling her the most like annoying, like devastating thing in the moment, but in this like cute way of like I'm gonna go home.
00:41:40
Speaker 4: You know, I know, I know.
00:41:42
Speaker 1: It's so strange.
00:41:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting Evan early morning, Like the way he says it is just so you know, it's not like an whole guy who's like I can't gotta go waking up, but just the way he says it is like so disappointing, and you're like, but why you know totally And then and then it begs the question like which is the whole episode of? And then Carrie asks herself, Wait, why was I thinking that we needed to have sex after less than a week and a half?
00:42:10
Speaker 1: Like she like the right, which I feel like that.
00:42:14
Speaker 2: And I haven't really done the apps, but I know a bunch of people who have, and luckily know a bunch of younger people, and I ask them questions like what is the norm now?
00:42:24
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the norm is?
00:42:26
Speaker 2: And someone someone said to me, a guy was telling me about this this girl that he really liked and he'd known her like he was not an app situation. He'd been introduced by I think his uncle that she wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like what, Like that was so much He was like, Wow, you're really vetting this?
00:42:51
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
00:42:53
Speaker 3: But the thing is like, are we talking about this or are we just letting? Like cause like with the Carrie and Naden thing, it's like it's hot, it's heavy, it's there, Just do it, like who cares?
00:43:05
Speaker 4: Like what the thing is that you're doing. I don't know.
00:43:08
Speaker 3: To me, it feels like, why are we putting so much pressure on like that act?
00:43:14
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
00:43:15
Speaker 1: I do know what you mean, like is there a time?
00:43:18
Speaker 3: Because I know I follow some like you know, influencers do some dating advice, and I'll see girls asking them questions like when or how, and I just wonder, like can things that just be like based on the vibe and the chemistry.
00:43:34
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent, one hundred percent, but I also feel these.
00:43:37
Speaker 1: Are questions that will never go.
00:43:39
Speaker 3: Away exactly, which is why it's so good. But the three dinner dates kills me, Like what if after three dinner dates you see that like you know, he's a turn off and he like has boogers all the time. I don't know, then you're still having the sex, because.
00:43:55
Speaker 2: What happened in this particular situation was that it was I think also really different for him, and I think sometimes there's something.
00:44:04
Speaker 1: To be said. Let's say, like.
00:44:06
Speaker 2: If you look at Carrie right, who's obviously like possibly just the hottest person you know on the planet. Probably she gets what she wants all the time. Meaning in terms of the initial beginning of relationships right, not obviously ultimately as we know from big but like this guy that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to getting what he wants, is my main point. So I think the fact that this woman who was a little older than him and they didn't meet on the app right, like it was a much more kind of old fashioned type situation. The fact that she actually held herself back, I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh, this is different.
00:44:44
Speaker 4: That may happen.
00:44:45
Speaker 3: That's that's what is so interesting, Like it's I feel like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct and if the chemistry is there, and if it's all happening, then why why not why like stop yourself if that's what you want. But then there also is this other element of we do know that playing games kind of.
00:45:05
Speaker 1: Works, right unfortunately, yes.
00:45:08
Speaker 3: Like kind but yes it kind of works to be like a little hard to get but not whatever that is, and it kind of works to like hold off and make them want it more than give it up. But oh my god, that is so confusing also, like how do you how do you compute it all together?
00:45:27
Speaker 1: But maybe that's what Aiden's doing but.
00:45:30
Speaker 3: Then you can say, maybe there is the person for you that you don't have to play the games with and that's like you're a person.
00:45:39
Speaker 4: But that's what I want to believe that.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I want to believe it to Amanda, let's go with that. I like the games.
00:45:44
Speaker 2: I've never been good at the games. The games in my mind are just less.
00:45:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like, maybe there's like the person for you that you can just be you.
00:45:55
Speaker 1: Yes, they'll be them, Yes, like you'll let it be organic and let.
00:45:59
Speaker 3: It be organic and you don't have to pretend and they don't have to pretend. And that's what I want to That's what I want to believe.
00:46:06
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Let's go with it.
00:46:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder, like when I was watching Aiden, I I don't know if we're going to find out more about him. I feel like for a long time we we don't really.
00:46:18
Speaker 1: Right, Like we just know how he is with Carrie.
00:46:21
Speaker 2: Is coming where we find out that they're friends Steve and Aid.
00:46:25
Speaker 4: And then they open the.
00:46:26
Speaker 2: Bar yep, which is all really interesting and I'd also forgotten all of that. But it kind of I like it and I want to know more, Like I kind of want to know more about the men.
00:46:36
Speaker 1: Now you know what I'm saying.
00:46:38
Speaker 3: You know, when you talk about the show for someone, I need to rewatch it too. But and we have those lines like the Steve one. There's like a line that's so random, but to me it applies to like I think I've said it like.
00:46:53
Speaker 4: Five times in the last month.
00:46:54
Speaker 3: Wow, And I say it often, and I feel like other people could get this. So there's the episode ware and this is just like a random throwbag. There was an episode where okay, so Big starts dating.
00:47:09
Speaker 4: What was his wife's name?
00:47:11
Speaker 3: Right starts I think, wait, was she the model that he was in love with?
00:47:15
Speaker 4: No? No, yeah, no, the model.
00:47:18
Speaker 3: There was a model that he was in love with where he was calling Carrie about her. Oh no, do you remember this? There was a model that he loved. No, he was calling Carry about and he would be like Carrie, call Carry like the middle the night. He's like, the problem is I can't reach her. She can reach me, but I can't reach her. Oh no, no, don't remember. And then he goes to the cabin with Aiden.
00:47:42
Speaker 4: We're not there yet.
00:47:43
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet.
00:47:44
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Interesting.
00:47:46
Speaker 3: So jealous of whoever does this recap with you because that the cabin episode, oh so good, yaya when you get to the cabin.
00:47:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll help me back on.
00:47:58
Speaker 4: Okay, call me back with the cabin episode and we'll get I.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Remember the cabin episode being like beyond good. All right, we're having so much fun talking to Amanda that we're going to make a part two. Please join us later in the week on Are You a Charlotte