June 27, 2026
Is OK To Punish Your Child On Social Media? Former NFL Star Is Taking Heat For It
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RSS Feed This week, former NFL player Brandon Marshall posted a video of him teaching his son a lesson for not listening. In the video you see 11-year-old Zi running at 2 am as Marshall drives along, telling him that discipline correction is good. The video sparked strong debate with many saying the public shaming is embarrassing and harmful to his son, while others applaud Marshall for teaching his son discipline.
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Saturday, June twenty seventh. Then, yes, parenting sometimes means you have to punish. But when does that cross over into abuse? Well maybe when you post the punishment online for the world to see. And that is what has a former NFL pro bowler the center of everybody's attention right now. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Rose.
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Speaker 1: There's kind of two steps here with this one. You can just question the punishment itself, and then the other hand, you question posting it.
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Speaker 3: Correct So it's about whether or not the discipline fits the crime.
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Speaker 4: So people are weighing in on that.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of folks I feel like there's a general consensus that, regardless of the answer to the aforementioned question, it's probably never okay to then put that punishment on your social media page when you have hundreds of thousands of followers, because it's as an additional public humiliation.
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Speaker 1: Is there any upside? You know, I didn't think about I was asking this question. Is that Can that be part of the punishment? Yes, I mean publishing.
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Speaker 3: Look, there are different Look I have heard you and I both had old school punishment coming up. We both got spanked until a certain age, and that was just the way it was. Obviously that's not how people operate now. But it's one of those things where there's a fine line between doing something privately and then taking whatever punishment you've given your child and making it publicly known. I know one of my friends told me her punishment was that she had to wear the same outfit to school all week, basically form of I know, right, But as a girl in middle school, that is humiliation. That's a form of public shame to me, just personally speaking, I'm all about teaching a child a lesson.
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Speaker 4: I do believe in discipline. I do. I think you have to. The caption of his post was this is my son, not my friend.
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Speaker 3: I actually really subscribe to that. Especially when they're younger. You can't try to earn their affection. You have to earn their respect, and that involves punishment. But public shame, public humiliation to me.
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Speaker 4: Is a whole other level.
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Speaker 1: Okay, something we've certainly gotten away from. But hasn't this been a part of I'm going back to the dunce cap I mean, I go back to Wow, this what we used to do. I'm trying to think of me being in school and things and ways where there was some outward display where you were humiliated, where you did have to go sit in a corner, where you did have to go do things that were shaming. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, in my elementary school, it was a Catholic elementary school in the Midwest, there was absolute flogging. There were punishments with spank My brother got a spanking. You might have to stay after school and literally do the you know, shamefully writing whatever your crime was on the chalkboard over again. I remember one of my punishments as a kid was to have to stand publicly in a corner with my nose in the corner. So, yes, not a dunce cap, but you know, shame, shame, shame. The idea was, yes, you are, you should feel bad about what you've done.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure people have gotten away from that. I'm sure if some psychologists would tell me why this is a bad idea, you'd never ever do it. However, it's not that foreign at least this part of the story that people are talking about. It maybe isn't that foreign of an idea to shame even the child, yes, for their bad behavior, I.
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Speaker 3: Would say in recent history, I would say the last generation of parents has not.
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Speaker 4: I would say as a whole.
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Speaker 3: Obviously it's a little bit different, but generally speaking, most parents have gone away from that, Yes, okay, gone away from that, certainly from any sort of physical punishment, and I think from any sort of public humiliation or shaming. It's more like you want your child to learn from it and grow from it.
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Speaker 4: And what do you feel about it?
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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of our parents and maybe even some of us are rolling our eyes because you need to just actually accept consequences. And yes, the learning can come later, the consequences need to come immediately. This all is being talked about because of a video, a video that we didn't say his name yet, right, And you can talk a little bit about who Brandon Marshall is because I'm not somebody who is. He's not a household name for me. But this guy is a big deal within the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, longtime receiver played the thirteen seasons, I believe it was. But he was a big time record setting, league leading, six time pro bowling.
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Speaker 4: That's a funny favor.
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Speaker 1: He's that kind of good. He's yes, So he had a long, long and he was a superstar in the league, and he got involved with advocacy for mental health and became a even more engage and prominent member of the NFL family because of that. So he is within that family. He's a big deal.
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Speaker 3: You pulled that just right out of your brain. I actually had written it down, you nail. At thirteen seasons in the NFL, he holds the league record for the most receptions in a single game, that's twenty one catches. He owns the Denver Broncos single game reception record with eighteen.
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Speaker 4: So yes, he was a big deal.
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Speaker 3: Just wanted to kind of like give anyone listening, if you're like me, some perspective as to who this guy is.
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Speaker 4: So he posts on.
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Speaker 3: Instagram this week a video of his eleven year old son Z and he is running in the middle of the night and you see Marshall driving slowly next to him giving him orders like a coach would give a kid.
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Speaker 4: And we have the audio actually, because so how long is the video?
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Speaker 1: This one's only about a minute, but the thing he posted goes two and a half minutes or something plus. But yeah, he's just slowly and to visualize, just imagine seeing a ten year old even seven year old kid right outside the window. It is black and Brandon Marshall is shooting. You don't see Brandon, but he's shooting the video right outside the window, and the clearly the car is going really slowly. The kid is barely running. It's not even a fast walk at times, and he's trying to get him to speed up. But he says, it's at two in the morning, and this is what it sounded like.
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Speaker 2: Discipline, correction is good even two in the morning. We run. You know, I'm gonna put my hands on you, but I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you be up to be a leader, to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me.
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Speaker 5: Run. Run, let's go. If you don't start running, we're gonna go three miles. So you better start running because you don't know when I'm gonna tell you to stop.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to listen. We run, We work two in the morning. Let's go.
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Speaker 3: All right, What is your initial impression as a father saying those things to his son with him running alongside him at two o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: You know what I didn't. I'll be honest with you, I didn't mind almost a bit of it. I almost didn't mind a bit of it, I understand, and it's worthy of a debate or a question or an interest. A question is probably the more thing. Get curious about him and his family and his background and how he grew up, and why get curious, but to get critical of him and how he goes about it. It might not be my way and the way I go about it, But I don't even have much in the way of criticizing how this guy decides to discipline his kid. We don't know exactly what the kid did, how many times it's been an issue like this. Punishment might fit the crime for all we know, So there's some questions there. But I think just generally speaking, when you hear someone say you made a eleven year old kid run at two in the morning, that to most people would sound inappropriate.
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Speaker 3: Correct, But I have to say I'm with you when I watched him, and I saw the love and the reason, Like you could just tell this as a father who cared about how his kid turned out, and it's not some horrific thing to have to have a kid run. The kid was not running that fast, and I actually was thinking, look, my kids might see this video and say, Mom, you weren't too much further away from this, like they're look, I didn't record them and I didn't post it, and we can have a conversation about that. But I will be transparent here and say that just in my kids wanted to join in some very adventurous activities with me, and I said, if you do that, you have to be trained. And they wanted to be you know, just kids not really working for something. And so I had to push them and I had to bark at them, and I had to get tough with them to make them run, to get them conditioned to do this thing they said they wanted to do.
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Speaker 4: So I actually, look.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't a punishment, but I have pushed my kids through pain and pass pain where they were angry at me, and I thought, God, am I being am?
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Speaker 4: I Is this too much? Have I crossed the line?
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Speaker 1: That's coaching?
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Speaker 3: You know what?
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Speaker 1: I get that that's coaching. What he was doing was parenting. It did seem different. It seemed like he was teaching him a life lesson, not an athletic one. You're right, so, and I don't mind robes I did. I didn't look at the kid and feel like he was being abused physically. I felt like he was being punished by sleep being taken away. That was the most difficult part. Maybe it was wasn't a school night. I don't know, but I could see why just on the surface, and I see why folks would immediately want to take issue but robes. But we got to this is where I have a very hard time. Even I have a problem with somebody's parenting, you will never hear me question it publicly. You are correct, but part of the steel robes we have to understand different backgrounds, different families, different upbringings, and different challenges to where there might be something he needs to teach his kid. You never thought you need to teach yours exactly.
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Speaker 4: I and people have brought that up.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into the comments in a moment, but I actually just wanted to also put out this thought. Here's Brandon Marshall. He has three kids. He's divorced from their mom. It was a twelve year marriage. So he's got three kids and z is a part of a twins Z and ZIGGI, eleven year old twins. And he has another son, Zoe, who's seven. Look, this is a man who cares about his kids. He's divorced, he could walk away, he could do a lot of things a lot of dads do. He is in his kid's life and he cares and I appreciate it. So I just think that should be noted. This is a man who is invested in his kid's outcome.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole because that was about to. But it's why can't we applaud Yeah? Right, it's the first thing we do. Right. We see this, this this athlete, this black father, fathering hard yep, and he gets criticized. Ah, we should ask ourselves sometimes why we view things through whatever lens that you may have. Again, somebody might be out there and again, Rose, now I would take more of a conversation about him posting it now that Okay, that's a different one.
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Speaker 4: I agree with.
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Speaker 1: That's a different conversation.
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Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: So how about that When we come back, we will get into what most people were saying in their comments, and it's actually really interesting where they take issue with what Marshall did. And my favorite part of this whole story might be Marshall's clap back to some of the comments and what he told People Magazine when they asked him about the controversy, and welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We're talking about former NFL star Brandon Marshall disciplining his child and posting his form of punishment online for all to comment on. Yes, he had his eleven year old son's e out running at two am because he wasn't listening. I mean, that's the best we can gather from the video. And look, Brandon Marshall stands by it. He said, look, I am not my son's friend, I am his father. And yes, he did get a lot of reaction. I think it's fair to say this has become quite the controversy and people have very different thoughts on not only his decision to discipline his son in this way, but his decision to then post the video of the punishment. Yes, I do, I do so here's one of the first ones. You should never discipline a child with embarrassment. It messes up their mental health state. Kids are people too. This is so lame. It didn't need to be public. If this is how you wanted to discipline, that's fine. You did this to show off on the internet. I hope you take this down and I read some of your comments.
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Speaker 4: Learn how to.
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Speaker 3: Take constructive criticism, my guy, Most of us aren't trying to.
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Speaker 4: Hurt you, just giving good feedback.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the back and forth and how much stuff? Right, I got some of that the stuff he's responding with.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, so someone else wrote y'all acting like this is hurting his son. He's teaching correcting behaviors before the streets do.
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Speaker 1: Now. That's uh, that's spoken like a black person.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I you know what.
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Speaker 1: That's he's teaching him the lesson before the streets do.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: I was about to say something else, Go.
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Speaker 4: Ahead, keep on all right? How about this? This was another one in support.
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Speaker 3: Did this same thing with my nephew every time he lacked discipline. He graduated with a three point sixty five GPA, became an All American best defensive player in Florida. Now plays at DAU and thanks me for days like this, So saying keep.
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Speaker 4: Going this is good. Kids need this sometimes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the kids some kids don't we know, don't we teach and punish kids differently based on write their background? How much they need, how much you might need to raise your voice to this one versus that all kinds of stuff. Bro, Yeah, I don't know. It's tough to criticize anybody's parenting. It's just that's that's just one of those things baby, you don't touch because you just don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, this next person, well they waited in differently. They said, this, sir is whack and embarrassing. I have four young men, all whom I had to discipline at some point, but I never embarrassed my children, especially in this era. This has gone viral, so the amount of jokes and laughs from his peers he has gotten could shatter his confidence.
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Speaker 4: Kings.
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Speaker 3: Real kings move with a stern but fair hand and always protect the kingdom.
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Speaker 4: This is completely not needed. But do what you do.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And you said what you said. I mean, so you put something out there, then you open yourself up to criticism, so you have to be willing to take it when it comes. I get that.
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Speaker 3: I just and a lot of people said, hey, he'll thank this for you later. I think what I got here, thank you.
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Speaker 1: For this later. Yes, you said it in one of those weird things. I say, I'll thank this for you later.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I said, he'll sorry. They said, he'll thank you for it later.
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Speaker 3: But I think for me what I read mostly was people upset that he posted it, but look so okay. So so, when someone made a comment about how he should be running with his son, not riding in a car next to him, Marshall wrote this back, I just had a procedure on my back.
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Speaker 4: I can't run.
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Speaker 3: But if you know me, you know I'm going to lead from the front of all rooms. And then when someone else commented this is a family business, not an Instagram business, he said, that's.
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Speaker 4: Your way, not my way.
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Speaker 3: So he kept He went back and responded to a lot of this criticism. But my favorite of what he had to say was People magazine asked him to respond to all the negative reaction, all the folks coming at him.
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Speaker 4: Here was his response.
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Speaker 3: I would like to add that I'll be sleeping on a yacht for the next week in the French riviera. Oh and Jesus is good.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like that. I didn't like that.
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Speaker 4: Y'all mind your business.
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Speaker 3: But look, he did put it out there, and it look is there a way in which you could see he wasn't just trying to get attention for himself or say look at me and see what I'm doing. Could it be that he actually was trying to show a strong black man leading a young black man down the right path.
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Speaker 1: And that's just the thing and what he's run into. People are deciding what path that should be for that young black man. Who are we to decide other than his dad? And I just I do not, I have no I try to find a way to criticize him for this, and I just I just can't. I wonder, robes, and we're in a different age of social media. Does this for us feel like something that maybe it doesn't feel like to the kid. Does the kid maybe think it's cute? Does the kid maybe robes in this new era, maybe this ain't a big deal. We think the kids being shamed because it's going viral. Maybe the kid is like, has no idea or doesn't care, or thinks it's cool, or has a different mindset about social media than we ever did.
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Speaker 4: I just don't know that's so true.
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Speaker 3: And look to Brandon Marshall, I have to say I do feel a little bit of a kindred spirit because yes, I didn't put anything up on social media about me disciplining my children. But when I did publicly discipline my children, which I did when they misbehaved in public, I.
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Speaker 4: Had Ava stand up in a corner at a restaurant.
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Speaker 3: I had Analysco stand up against a building and sit there with her nose up to the building for five minutes to calm down because she was misbehaving. I had people walk by me and tell me that I was crushing the spirit of my child and I should be ashamed of myself. I had people commenting on me disciplining my children in public. But I am of belief that when a child misbehaves, especially at a certain age, they need to be disciplined immediately. They don't know when you have a lapse of time. They don't even connect the bad act with a consequence.
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Speaker 4: So that's just how I operate.
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Speaker 3: But I have been chastised and publicly shamed to my face by New Yorkers.
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Speaker 4: God love them.
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Speaker 3: They always have an opinion when I discipline my child, and I remember I said to one of them, you'll thank me for this later because my child is going to be a well intentioned, well mannered part of society. So you're welcome and please keep walking. But I do kind of feel like that for Brandon Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I do, yes, it's I don't know what I don't know. It's just this is another one of those things where I just give somebody a little space and a little grace. It's okay, and he's doing something a little different. Maybe be curious about what he's doing and why he's doing it, versus just being immediately wanting to criticize him for doing it.
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Speaker 4: That's all right.
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Speaker 3: Showing a kid there are consequences, and showing a child that they can push past pain and they're stronger than they think.
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Speaker 1: That part. I do love.
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Speaker 4: These are all good things.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that that even comes close to child abuse. And by the way, I love that he's showcasing this and maybe saying to other parents, you know what, you can actually call your kids on their stuff and they'll actually rise up to the occasion. You get what you expect in life and especially from your kids. I applaud his message. I'm just going to go out and say it. I think I have no problem with what Brandon Marshall is.
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Speaker 1: And again, based on the information we have, we don't know this guy personally. Nope, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We're just taking what the information we have and the conversation that's going on.
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Speaker 3: Okay, just yesterday and we're wrapping up here, but think about it. We were out to dinner last night outside beautiful night.
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Speaker 1: Oh my lord.
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Speaker 3: Parents let their kids run a monk these almost damaging property, ringing bells, disrupting the peace, screaming, and they're completely ignoring their children. And so to me, those parents should be called out on social media, not Brandon Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I say those kids were public nuisance. Yes they were. It was embarrassing at the type of parenting we saw. And again we can say this now because we don't nobody knows the parents were talking about, so it was correct, but they were almost You talk about abuse, yea, those kids were jumping up and down on city bike stands that if one slip that kids emergency room abuse, yes, and I would testify against that parent.
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Speaker 3: You have this conversation and I said, wow, do those parents want to tempt having to go to a New York City emergency room on a Friday night because their kids are one like millimeter away from literally going away in an ambulance right now. So yes, I those are the types of people were probably commenting on Brandon Marshall because they're appalled that he would dare discipline his child. Anyway, just wanted to hop on and have that fun conversation everybody.
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Saturday, June twenty seventh. Then, yes, parenting sometimes means you have to punish. But when does that cross over into abuse? Well maybe when you post the punishment online for the world to see. And that is what has a former NFL pro bowler the center of everybody's attention right now. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 2: Rose.
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Speaker 1: There's kind of two steps here with this one. You can just question the punishment itself, and then the other hand, you question posting it.
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Speaker 3: Correct So it's about whether or not the discipline fits the crime.
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Speaker 4: So people are weighing in on that.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of folks I feel like there's a general consensus that, regardless of the answer to the aforementioned question, it's probably never okay to then put that punishment on your social media page when you have hundreds of thousands of followers, because it's as an additional public humiliation.
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Speaker 1: Is there any upside? You know, I didn't think about I was asking this question. Is that Can that be part of the punishment? Yes, I mean publishing.
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Speaker 3: Look, there are different Look I have heard you and I both had old school punishment coming up. We both got spanked until a certain age, and that was just the way it was. Obviously that's not how people operate now. But it's one of those things where there's a fine line between doing something privately and then taking whatever punishment you've given your child and making it publicly known. I know one of my friends told me her punishment was that she had to wear the same outfit to school all week, basically form of I know, right, But as a girl in middle school, that is humiliation. That's a form of public shame to me, just personally speaking, I'm all about teaching a child a lesson.
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Speaker 4: I do believe in discipline. I do. I think you have to. The caption of his post was this is my son, not my friend.
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Speaker 3: I actually really subscribe to that. Especially when they're younger. You can't try to earn their affection. You have to earn their respect, and that involves punishment. But public shame, public humiliation to me.
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Speaker 4: Is a whole other level.
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Speaker 1: Okay, something we've certainly gotten away from. But hasn't this been a part of I'm going back to the dunce cap I mean, I go back to Wow, this what we used to do. I'm trying to think of me being in school and things and ways where there was some outward display where you were humiliated, where you did have to go sit in a corner, where you did have to go do things that were shaming. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, in my elementary school, it was a Catholic elementary school in the Midwest, there was absolute flogging. There were punishments with spank My brother got a spanking. You might have to stay after school and literally do the you know, shamefully writing whatever your crime was on the chalkboard over again. I remember one of my punishments as a kid was to have to stand publicly in a corner with my nose in the corner. So, yes, not a dunce cap, but you know, shame, shame, shame. The idea was, yes, you are, you should feel bad about what you've done.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure people have gotten away from that. I'm sure if some psychologists would tell me why this is a bad idea, you'd never ever do it. However, it's not that foreign at least this part of the story that people are talking about. It maybe isn't that foreign of an idea to shame even the child, yes, for their bad behavior, I.
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Speaker 3: Would say in recent history, I would say the last generation of parents has not.
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Speaker 4: I would say as a whole.
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Speaker 3: Obviously it's a little bit different, but generally speaking, most parents have gone away from that, Yes, okay, gone away from that, certainly from any sort of physical punishment, and I think from any sort of public humiliation or shaming. It's more like you want your child to learn from it and grow from it.
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Speaker 4: And what do you feel about it?
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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of our parents and maybe even some of us are rolling our eyes because you need to just actually accept consequences. And yes, the learning can come later, the consequences need to come immediately. This all is being talked about because of a video, a video that we didn't say his name yet, right, And you can talk a little bit about who Brandon Marshall is because I'm not somebody who is. He's not a household name for me. But this guy is a big deal within the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, longtime receiver played the thirteen seasons, I believe it was. But he was a big time record setting, league leading, six time pro bowling.
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Speaker 4: That's a funny favor.
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Speaker 1: He's that kind of good. He's yes, So he had a long, long and he was a superstar in the league, and he got involved with advocacy for mental health and became a even more engage and prominent member of the NFL family because of that. So he is within that family. He's a big deal.
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Speaker 3: You pulled that just right out of your brain. I actually had written it down, you nail. At thirteen seasons in the NFL, he holds the league record for the most receptions in a single game, that's twenty one catches. He owns the Denver Broncos single game reception record with eighteen.
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Speaker 4: So yes, he was a big deal.
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Speaker 3: Just wanted to kind of like give anyone listening, if you're like me, some perspective as to who this guy is.
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Speaker 4: So he posts on.
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Speaker 3: Instagram this week a video of his eleven year old son Z and he is running in the middle of the night and you see Marshall driving slowly next to him giving him orders like a coach would give a kid.
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Speaker 4: And we have the audio actually, because so how long is the video?
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Speaker 1: This one's only about a minute, but the thing he posted goes two and a half minutes or something plus. But yeah, he's just slowly and to visualize, just imagine seeing a ten year old even seven year old kid right outside the window. It is black and Brandon Marshall is shooting. You don't see Brandon, but he's shooting the video right outside the window, and the clearly the car is going really slowly. The kid is barely running. It's not even a fast walk at times, and he's trying to get him to speed up. But he says, it's at two in the morning, and this is what it sounded like.
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Speaker 2: Discipline, correction is good even two in the morning. We run. You know, I'm gonna put my hands on you, but I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you be up to be a leader, to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me.
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Speaker 5: Run. Run, let's go. If you don't start running, we're gonna go three miles. So you better start running because you don't know when I'm gonna tell you to stop.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to listen. We run, We work two in the morning. Let's go.
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Speaker 3: All right, What is your initial impression as a father saying those things to his son with him running alongside him at two o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: You know what I didn't. I'll be honest with you, I didn't mind almost a bit of it. I almost didn't mind a bit of it, I understand, and it's worthy of a debate or a question or an interest. A question is probably the more thing. Get curious about him and his family and his background and how he grew up, and why get curious, but to get critical of him and how he goes about it. It might not be my way and the way I go about it, But I don't even have much in the way of criticizing how this guy decides to discipline his kid. We don't know exactly what the kid did, how many times it's been an issue like this. Punishment might fit the crime for all we know, So there's some questions there. But I think just generally speaking, when you hear someone say you made a eleven year old kid run at two in the morning, that to most people would sound inappropriate.
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Speaker 3: Correct, But I have to say I'm with you when I watched him, and I saw the love and the reason, Like you could just tell this as a father who cared about how his kid turned out, and it's not some horrific thing to have to have a kid run. The kid was not running that fast, and I actually was thinking, look, my kids might see this video and say, Mom, you weren't too much further away from this, like they're look, I didn't record them and I didn't post it, and we can have a conversation about that. But I will be transparent here and say that just in my kids wanted to join in some very adventurous activities with me, and I said, if you do that, you have to be trained. And they wanted to be you know, just kids not really working for something. And so I had to push them and I had to bark at them, and I had to get tough with them to make them run, to get them conditioned to do this thing they said they wanted to do.
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Speaker 4: So I actually, look.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't a punishment, but I have pushed my kids through pain and pass pain where they were angry at me, and I thought, God, am I being am?
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Speaker 4: I Is this too much? Have I crossed the line?
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Speaker 1: That's coaching?
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Speaker 3: You know what?
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Speaker 1: I get that that's coaching. What he was doing was parenting. It did seem different. It seemed like he was teaching him a life lesson, not an athletic one. You're right, so, and I don't mind robes I did. I didn't look at the kid and feel like he was being abused physically. I felt like he was being punished by sleep being taken away. That was the most difficult part. Maybe it was wasn't a school night. I don't know, but I could see why just on the surface, and I see why folks would immediately want to take issue but robes. But we got to this is where I have a very hard time. Even I have a problem with somebody's parenting, you will never hear me question it publicly. You are correct, but part of the steel robes we have to understand different backgrounds, different families, different upbringings, and different challenges to where there might be something he needs to teach his kid. You never thought you need to teach yours exactly.
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Speaker 4: I and people have brought that up.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into the comments in a moment, but I actually just wanted to also put out this thought. Here's Brandon Marshall. He has three kids. He's divorced from their mom. It was a twelve year marriage. So he's got three kids and z is a part of a twins Z and ZIGGI, eleven year old twins. And he has another son, Zoe, who's seven. Look, this is a man who cares about his kids. He's divorced, he could walk away, he could do a lot of things a lot of dads do. He is in his kid's life and he cares and I appreciate it. So I just think that should be noted. This is a man who is invested in his kid's outcome.
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole because that was about to. But it's why can't we applaud Yeah? Right, it's the first thing we do. Right. We see this, this this athlete, this black father, fathering hard yep, and he gets criticized. Ah, we should ask ourselves sometimes why we view things through whatever lens that you may have. Again, somebody might be out there and again, Rose, now I would take more of a conversation about him posting it now that Okay, that's a different one.
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Speaker 4: I agree with.
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Speaker 1: That's a different conversation.
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Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: So how about that When we come back, we will get into what most people were saying in their comments, and it's actually really interesting where they take issue with what Marshall did. And my favorite part of this whole story might be Marshall's clap back to some of the comments and what he told People Magazine when they asked him about the controversy, and welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We're talking about former NFL star Brandon Marshall disciplining his child and posting his form of punishment online for all to comment on. Yes, he had his eleven year old son's e out running at two am because he wasn't listening. I mean, that's the best we can gather from the video. And look, Brandon Marshall stands by it. He said, look, I am not my son's friend, I am his father. And yes, he did get a lot of reaction. I think it's fair to say this has become quite the controversy and people have very different thoughts on not only his decision to discipline his son in this way, but his decision to then post the video of the punishment. Yes, I do, I do so here's one of the first ones. You should never discipline a child with embarrassment. It messes up their mental health state. Kids are people too. This is so lame. It didn't need to be public. If this is how you wanted to discipline, that's fine. You did this to show off on the internet. I hope you take this down and I read some of your comments.
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Speaker 4: Learn how to.
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Speaker 3: Take constructive criticism, my guy, Most of us aren't trying to.
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Speaker 4: Hurt you, just giving good feedback.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the back and forth and how much stuff? Right, I got some of that the stuff he's responding with.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, so someone else wrote y'all acting like this is hurting his son. He's teaching correcting behaviors before the streets do.
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Speaker 1: Now. That's uh, that's spoken like a black person.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I you know what.
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Speaker 1: That's he's teaching him the lesson before the streets do.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: I was about to say something else, Go.
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Speaker 4: Ahead, keep on all right? How about this? This was another one in support.
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Speaker 3: Did this same thing with my nephew every time he lacked discipline. He graduated with a three point sixty five GPA, became an All American best defensive player in Florida. Now plays at DAU and thanks me for days like this, So saying keep.
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Speaker 4: Going this is good. Kids need this sometimes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the kids some kids don't we know, don't we teach and punish kids differently based on write their background? How much they need, how much you might need to raise your voice to this one versus that all kinds of stuff. Bro, Yeah, I don't know. It's tough to criticize anybody's parenting. It's just that's that's just one of those things baby, you don't touch because you just don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, this next person, well they waited in differently. They said, this, sir is whack and embarrassing. I have four young men, all whom I had to discipline at some point, but I never embarrassed my children, especially in this era. This has gone viral, so the amount of jokes and laughs from his peers he has gotten could shatter his confidence.
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Speaker 4: Kings.
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Speaker 3: Real kings move with a stern but fair hand and always protect the kingdom.
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Speaker 4: This is completely not needed. But do what you do.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And you said what you said. I mean, so you put something out there, then you open yourself up to criticism, so you have to be willing to take it when it comes. I get that.
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Speaker 3: I just and a lot of people said, hey, he'll thank this for you later. I think what I got here, thank you.
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Speaker 1: For this later. Yes, you said it in one of those weird things. I say, I'll thank this for you later.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I said, he'll sorry. They said, he'll thank you for it later.
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Speaker 3: But I think for me what I read mostly was people upset that he posted it, but look so okay. So so, when someone made a comment about how he should be running with his son, not riding in a car next to him, Marshall wrote this back, I just had a procedure on my back.
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Speaker 4: I can't run.
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Speaker 3: But if you know me, you know I'm going to lead from the front of all rooms. And then when someone else commented this is a family business, not an Instagram business, he said, that's.
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Speaker 4: Your way, not my way.
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Speaker 3: So he kept He went back and responded to a lot of this criticism. But my favorite of what he had to say was People magazine asked him to respond to all the negative reaction, all the folks coming at him.
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Speaker 4: Here was his response.
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Speaker 3: I would like to add that I'll be sleeping on a yacht for the next week in the French riviera. Oh and Jesus is good.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like that. I didn't like that.
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Speaker 4: Y'all mind your business.
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Speaker 3: But look, he did put it out there, and it look is there a way in which you could see he wasn't just trying to get attention for himself or say look at me and see what I'm doing. Could it be that he actually was trying to show a strong black man leading a young black man down the right path.
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Speaker 1: And that's just the thing and what he's run into. People are deciding what path that should be for that young black man. Who are we to decide other than his dad? And I just I do not, I have no I try to find a way to criticize him for this, and I just I just can't. I wonder, robes, and we're in a different age of social media. Does this for us feel like something that maybe it doesn't feel like to the kid. Does the kid maybe think it's cute? Does the kid maybe robes in this new era, maybe this ain't a big deal. We think the kids being shamed because it's going viral. Maybe the kid is like, has no idea or doesn't care, or thinks it's cool, or has a different mindset about social media than we ever did.
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Speaker 4: I just don't know that's so true.
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Speaker 3: And look to Brandon Marshall, I have to say I do feel a little bit of a kindred spirit because yes, I didn't put anything up on social media about me disciplining my children. But when I did publicly discipline my children, which I did when they misbehaved in public, I.
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Speaker 4: Had Ava stand up in a corner at a restaurant.
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Speaker 3: I had Analysco stand up against a building and sit there with her nose up to the building for five minutes to calm down because she was misbehaving. I had people walk by me and tell me that I was crushing the spirit of my child and I should be ashamed of myself. I had people commenting on me disciplining my children in public. But I am of belief that when a child misbehaves, especially at a certain age, they need to be disciplined immediately. They don't know when you have a lapse of time. They don't even connect the bad act with a consequence.
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Speaker 4: So that's just how I operate.
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Speaker 3: But I have been chastised and publicly shamed to my face by New Yorkers.
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Speaker 4: God love them.
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Speaker 3: They always have an opinion when I discipline my child, and I remember I said to one of them, you'll thank me for this later because my child is going to be a well intentioned, well mannered part of society. So you're welcome and please keep walking. But I do kind of feel like that for Brandon Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I do, yes, it's I don't know what I don't know. It's just this is another one of those things where I just give somebody a little space and a little grace. It's okay, and he's doing something a little different. Maybe be curious about what he's doing and why he's doing it, versus just being immediately wanting to criticize him for doing it.
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Speaker 4: That's all right.
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Speaker 3: Showing a kid there are consequences, and showing a child that they can push past pain and they're stronger than they think.
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Speaker 1: That part. I do love.
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Speaker 4: These are all good things.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that that even comes close to child abuse. And by the way, I love that he's showcasing this and maybe saying to other parents, you know what, you can actually call your kids on their stuff and they'll actually rise up to the occasion. You get what you expect in life and especially from your kids. I applaud his message. I'm just going to go out and say it. I think I have no problem with what Brandon Marshall is.
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Speaker 1: And again, based on the information we have, we don't know this guy personally. Nope, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. We're just taking what the information we have and the conversation that's going on.
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Speaker 3: Okay, just yesterday and we're wrapping up here, but think about it. We were out to dinner last night outside beautiful night.
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Speaker 1: Oh my lord.
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Speaker 3: Parents let their kids run a monk these almost damaging property, ringing bells, disrupting the peace, screaming, and they're completely ignoring their children. And so to me, those parents should be called out on social media, not Brandon Marshall.
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Speaker 1: I say those kids were public nuisance. Yes they were. It was embarrassing at the type of parenting we saw. And again we can say this now because we don't nobody knows the parents were talking about, so it was correct, but they were almost You talk about abuse, yea, those kids were jumping up and down on city bike stands that if one slip that kids emergency room abuse, yes, and I would testify against that parent.
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Speaker 3: You have this conversation and I said, wow, do those parents want to tempt having to go to a New York City emergency room on a Friday night because their kids are one like millimeter away from literally going away in an ambulance right now. So yes, I those are the types of people were probably commenting on Brandon Marshall because they're appalled that he would dare discipline his child. Anyway, just wanted to hop on and have that fun conversation everybody.
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