July 28, 2026
Idaho Student Murderer Now Says He’s Innocent Of Quadruple Homicide, Wants Trial
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RSS Feed The man who pleaded guilty last summer of the brutal campus killings of four Idaho college students, now claims he was coerced into pleading guilty for the crimes. Bryan Kohberger, who is currently serving four life sentences, filed a handwritten petition to the court on Monday asking for a trial, after he claims he was forced by his attorneys into making a false plea to avoid death row. It’s unclear if a court will consider Kohberger’s request, given in his plea deal, where he waived all rights to appeal “any and all issues” in the case.
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it's Tuesday, July twenty eighth. He is serving four life sentences for the Idaho student murders. But now he says he is innocent and he wants a trial, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This was a shocker that kind of goes along with the shocker he gave us when he pled guilty in the first place. Right, what is going on with Brian Coberger.
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Speaker 2: It's very confusing because if you'll remember, upon his arrest, he was vehemently denying having anything to do with these murders. His court appointed attorneys were mounting a defense, and he had said from the beginning, I am innocent, I did not do this. And then all of a sudden boom and it took everyone's breath away. Everyone was shocked when he he did guilty, and I believe two weeks of the trial, Yeah, so nobody was expecting him to suddenly plead guilty. But frankly, the victims' families who had been through helen back were grateful that they were being spared a trial, and that was one silver lining. They had their sentencing day where they gave their victim impact statements. They told him what they thought of him, and they were able They thought to put this to rest.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Obviously there are appeals and things that happened throughout the years, but this was a moment where they felt like, Okay, justice has been served, I can actually now start healing, look for peace.
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Speaker 3: And now this shocker.
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Speaker 1: This is one Robes that was supposed to be over for the families because in pleading guilty and making the plea, the death penalty was taken off the table. He made a deal, and in doing so, he waived his rights, all rights to all appeals in the future. The family should have been able to sleep well every single night for the rest of their lives knowing they don't have to deal with this dude anymore.
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Speaker 3: Robes.
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Speaker 1: He has now said not only that I want some new legal peel or some legal process, he is standing up and saying I am innocent.
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Speaker 3: Robes.
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Speaker 1: This has got to be tearing and pissing the family off.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is revictimizing those poor parents who I think every single parent out there, especially anyone with college aid students. This story sent like shivers down your spine to your very core.
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Speaker 3: This is a worst case.
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Speaker 2: Scenario for any parent to think that their kids off in a college campus, in a house right off campus, could have some evildoer come in and just murder nearly everyone in that home.
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Speaker 3: It was just a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: And so yes, finally putting this to bed to now have to relive it, to now have to see this. This Brian Koberger's name and face all over the news and over the headlines, like that's painful every time you see his face, every time you read his name. And now that he's saying he's innocent, this is significant. He's claiming right that he was duped basically.
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Speaker 1: By his own lawyers, by the ones who are supposed to be helping him. That is a foundation of this petition he has now filed. He filed it on Monday, and it was in handwriting because he is not being represented right now, so he had to write out his own petition. We have seen the thing. We will let you hear what he wrote. It is not that long. But he is asking Robes for a trial. I'll keep stopping short of saying a new trial. He never got a trial in the first place. We never got there. So now he wants to go duke it out in court, roped and understanding the death penalty would be on the table.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, he's okay with that.
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Speaker 2: He's fine to face the potential of a death sentence in order to prove his innocence. He says he had yes, poor legal representation, and he literally says he was coerced into taking a plea deal because basically his attorneys scared him into doing so.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see if this flies. But this is a high bar for him. Will explain in a second why this is such a high bar. It is possible, Rose was not very likely that anybody's going to listen and he's actually going to get a trial. But the petition itself, it's it's very poor handwriting.
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Speaker 3: Did you see it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's chicken scratch.
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Speaker 3: That's a good way to describe it. In pencil?
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Speaker 2: Was it?
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Speaker 3: I believe it was.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Maybe you don't have access to pens in prison. I can understand why.
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Speaker 1: So it's a So this is it from start to finish. Here it's only an introductory couple of lines, and then he explains what happened. But he starts with it is hereby declare that during attorney client discussions, most of which included all members of the Brian C. Coburger's immediate family. Petitioner was convinced to falsely confess to capital murder and felony burglary by coercion, disinformation, false promises, and withholding exculpatory discovery. The following is material to the inception of the plea.
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Speaker 3: ROMs.
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Speaker 1: That's a strong start. Uh, it's got my attention. Wait a minute, what well, wasn't sculpatory?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't He also looking he was in the middle of getting his PhD in criminology, So look, he might not be a lawyer, but I do think he does have some exceptional knowledge into at least cases. And it sounds as even how he wrote this, it sounds very legal, It sounds very proper. But yes, it sounds like, holy hell, there's more to the story than we didn't know before.
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Speaker 1: He goes on here to say, as he's making these points, the following that our material to the plea, he said. One counsel's failure to inform petitioner of exculpatory discovery received during plea discussions, namely clumps of un known hair found in Ethan Chapin's hands, as well as a failure of further inquiry. He's saying one of the victims had somebody else's hair in his hand.
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Speaker 3: He talked about that in his New York Times article.
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Speaker 2: He did an interview with the New York Times and he said, yes, there apparently was at least a hair or some hair found in one of the victim's hands that was never tested, and so he was claiming that that was something that could perhaps prove his innocence or point to another intruder.
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Speaker 1: That sounds kind of familiar in a lot of k I guess we cover a lot of death row cases and it's always something at the end, something was never tested. It could belong to somebody else, So maybe we'll see. He continues to say. Petitioner was convinced that actual guilt was not an important factor in considering plea acceptance, death row was imminent, and advised to lie. Petitioner was to gain a legal victory in entering a false plea.
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Speaker 2: Does that makes sense, Yeah, he's claiming that his lawyers told him, Hey, you're literally going to be on death row, like you are gonna be convicted, and so if you just lie and plead guilty and say you did this, you will.
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Speaker 3: It's a victory.
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Speaker 2: It's the only victory you're going to be able to get, because that way you'll be able to stay off death row and have a better situation, because look, the evidence is bad against you right now, it's not looking good and so basically your only options are death row or not death row.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what he's claiming.
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Speaker 2: He was led to believe that by lying, that was the only legal victory he could possibly get.
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Speaker 1: He follows up with his last bit saying, a gross Miths representation of and promises regarding what a life sentence would immediately afford petitioner and a Grossmiths representation of death row in Idaho, including an elaborate, fabricated story of councils horrific experience touring an actual eight by death row cell. Huh, he is saying, they scared me so much about death row that I.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and he's saying that that fabricated story in all of these threats and scary stories about death row all were communicated to petitioner and his family allegedly by IDoc through council, thus constitute constituting sorry, thus constituting threats and promises made to induce a plea agreement.
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Speaker 3: So yes, he's saying he's threatened.
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Speaker 2: He was threatened to, and he was promised things in order to get him to lie.
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Speaker 1: But he was promised what nicer accommodations in prison.
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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me. But doesn't the judge always ask the defendant before, when he's standing there under oath, before they accept a plea agreement or certainly a guilty plea, do you understand has anyone made any promises to you? Doesn't the judge go through this list and ask the defendant these questions and they are under oath and expected to answer honestly.
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Speaker 1: Do I said? I think it said? It's like nine or ten times that the judge asked that question. We have seen this a lot at the end of trials. The judge makes sure this doesn't come up later and asks redundant after redundant question to make sure. And Brian Coberger answered the judge exactly like he was supposed to end up where he is. He asked the million times, has anybody cursed you into this? Have you done this intelligently? Free will? As anyone offered you anything, da da all the stuff, he answered all of it. Robes. The judge didn't miss a question or stip, of course he didn't. But he's saying, hey, if folks will remembers you mentioned how parents the concern for parents about safety on a college campus rose when this happened. There were concerns all over the country. Before he was caught. There were weeks of is someone stalking the students there in Idaho? But parents and campuses all over the country were scared to death because it happened in early November, November thirteenth or something like that. He wasn't caught until December.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sometime, there was about a month. November thirteenth, twenty twenty two was the crime in Moscow, Idaho. By the way, this was a campus that hadn't had a death on it in nearly a decade. So look, a lot of folks, yes, who have their kids on college campuses, and so many kids mine included, have these houses right outside of campus with a bunch of kids, boys and girls.
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Speaker 3: You feel safe.
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Speaker 2: These kids aren't locking their doors, They're not behaving the way perhaps you would if you were the adult in the room. Making sure things are safe and locked, and so yeah, they were coming in and out, they were partying, they were having fun as college kids.
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Speaker 3: Tend to do.
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Speaker 2: So this is frightening as hell for parents thinking there was a murderer on the loose in that area. College campuses all throughout that area. So yeah, this was scary stuff and a reminder to kids that even though it's rare, there are folks out there who commit crimes like this. And yes, when he was caught, a collective sigh of relief was experienced throughout this country.
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Speaker 1: The theory part of his was that, I guess afterwards I realized he had no connection to these folks. They could not at all find it. I think they found that maybe that he had eaten at the same restaurant they had once, but not the same time, just happened to be in the building.
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Speaker 2: One of the victims was I believe, a server or a waitress, I believe, and so his phone was at the same place of her employment a couple of times, but they were never able to make any connection beyond that happenstance. You've got a small college campus, so look, he didn't go to school there, but he went to school nearby. So look at the other thing that was so creepy about this. There were six roommates in that home. Four of them were killed, two others were left unharmed. They were and the two that were left unharmed were on the first floor. You would always think that would be the most vulnerable. It was the folks who were upstairs who were stabbed and killed. But they even reported seeing like a shadowy f you're hearing some noise, But they were all drinking, They had all been out partying. They slept it off till the next morning. They didn't even know anything was wrong until much later the next morning. But the horror of hearing like they were even texting back and forth, the two who survived, saying did you hear that? Like that sounded kind of crazy, But it's kids in college, and kids are acting loud and crazy when they're coming home from a bar.
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Speaker 3: And that's what they attributed the noise to.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Robes. I don't know those two. It's to think, Robes, what happened to your loved ones, your friends in the house. For Robes to think of, why in God's name am I still here? Why didn't that happen to me, Oh in this house. That's I don't know how they're doing and dealing with that right now, but now they're having to do and deal with this once again. Will they have to get dragged back into court? Stay here, will remind you about the last time many of these victims, many of these family members were in court, what they had to say, and we'll also remind you what was not said by Brian Colberg.
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Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone, as we discuss a pretty pretty huge headline that no one saw coming, the fact that the Idaho confessed murderer, or at least the one who pleaded guilty to the Idaho murders, Brian Coberger, is now saying he's innocent, that he was coerced into making those guilty pleas for killing four college students in late twenty twenty two November of twenty twenty two, and it took weeks for police to actually even figure out who this guy was. Because a random act of violence like this with no connection to suspects.
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Speaker 3: Is serial killer kind of.
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Speaker 2: This is not easy to necessarily draw a connection between an unknown subject who has no connection to the victims, But they were able to find some DNA on a knife, the fact that he had bought a knife they could confirm the same type of knife just a few weeks earlier. And the car, the description of his car matched the description of the car that had been seen multiple times around that home.
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Speaker 3: It looked as though he were casing out the joint, so to speak. But they had.
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Speaker 1: Some evidence there against him, but they didn't have to go through trial. It spared a lot of people. It spared family members of the four victims. It spared the two roommates of those victims from having to go sit through days, weeks, maybe months of testimony and trial. So Robes, it was a relief that they got their moments. It was last summer. I believe it was, Robes. We knew. Did it go over more than one day?
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Speaker 2: That I don't remember, but I remember that it was just the some of the most powerful victim impact statements we have ever heard.
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Speaker 1: That is sentencing and this is how it goes. And he sat and didn't react or anything. But Robes, I remember that day just that we took the time and we sat and we paid attention. We listened to those statements, and yes, some of those those family member Robes they let him have it that day. They were waiting to just let it all out, and all that emotion came out that day Robes, and that was supposed to be the end of it. But one thing they walked out of Robes without having is an understanding of why Brian Colberger had a chance to speak, he chose not to.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and even President Trump wanted the judge to basically keep this plea agreement from moving forward until or unless he gave a motive. Everyone wanted him either to find, not even apologize, but to explain why these four victims, Why Madison, why Zana, why Ethan, why Kayley? Why go after these people who you have no known relationship or beef with?
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Speaker 3: Why them? Why now?
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Speaker 2: And despite all the push and all the pleas for him to give a reason, he refused, And the judge didn't make that a condition of the plea agreement, which a lot of people were upset about, because the judge could have done that. The judge could have said, this does not move forward unless you give us an explanation, so he never had to explain himself.
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Speaker 1: I wonder though a judge could have said, I don't know if that does that legally. Hold up, I'm so curious. Can you compel somebody right? That was for the prosecutor in the midst of negotiation to ensure that was on the table.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point.
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Speaker 1: It's a contract negotiation. That's a good anything else, and they should have if that was paramount and important, Boom should have slapped it on the table first.
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Speaker 2: This is what you're going to have to do, exactly, And so instead you had family members being able to Yes, you're never supposed to directly address the defendant, but at least they threw the judge called him a sociopath, a psychopath, a murderer. They talked about just how he has disgusted this community, that hell will be waiting. I mean, they had some vicious words for him, and he sat there and he listened to it unemotionally, as was described by everyone.
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Speaker 1: So we are didn't see one reaction from him in court of a twitch of any kind in this guy. But now we might. Will we see him again in a courtroom in a fight over this case. We do not know. Robes. I don't see anywhere where anyone thinks there's a high degree of probability that this is going to be successful, but we've seen a lot of weird things.
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Speaker 2: Legally, Yeah, it is strange knowing that he signed off on and waived all of his rights to appeal any and all issues in this case. How do you get around that? Now, we've obviously seen how our justice system works, and there's usually a loophole here there somewhere, And he is actively seeking an attorney correct right now, He did this so far pro se, but he has asked for an attorney, and so yes, we shall see if an attorney we'll be able to come up with a good enough reason, and I don't know what they might be for him to enter into another round or at least continue to fight for what he claims is his right to a trial, one that he completely and already gave up and waived with his plea deal.
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Speaker 3: So we will keep our eye on this.
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Speaker 2: We certainly hope for the victim's family's sake that this hopefully will be over before too long. But we know how our justice system works and sometimes it is slow, But we will keep.
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Speaker 3: Our eye on this.
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Speaker 2: We always appreciate you listening to us everyone. I made me roback alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to him
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it's Tuesday, July twenty eighth. He is serving four life sentences for the Idaho student murders. But now he says he is innocent and he wants a trial, and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This was a shocker that kind of goes along with the shocker he gave us when he pled guilty in the first place. Right, what is going on with Brian Coberger.
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Speaker 2: It's very confusing because if you'll remember, upon his arrest, he was vehemently denying having anything to do with these murders. His court appointed attorneys were mounting a defense, and he had said from the beginning, I am innocent, I did not do this. And then all of a sudden boom and it took everyone's breath away. Everyone was shocked when he he did guilty, and I believe two weeks of the trial, Yeah, so nobody was expecting him to suddenly plead guilty. But frankly, the victims' families who had been through helen back were grateful that they were being spared a trial, and that was one silver lining. They had their sentencing day where they gave their victim impact statements. They told him what they thought of him, and they were able They thought to put this to rest.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Obviously there are appeals and things that happened throughout the years, but this was a moment where they felt like, Okay, justice has been served, I can actually now start healing, look for peace.
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Speaker 3: And now this shocker.
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Speaker 1: This is one Robes that was supposed to be over for the families because in pleading guilty and making the plea, the death penalty was taken off the table. He made a deal, and in doing so, he waived his rights, all rights to all appeals in the future. The family should have been able to sleep well every single night for the rest of their lives knowing they don't have to deal with this dude anymore.
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Speaker 3: Robes.
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Speaker 1: He has now said not only that I want some new legal peel or some legal process, he is standing up and saying I am innocent.
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Speaker 3: Robes.
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Speaker 1: This has got to be tearing and pissing the family off.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is revictimizing those poor parents who I think every single parent out there, especially anyone with college aid students. This story sent like shivers down your spine to your very core.
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Speaker 3: This is a worst case.
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Speaker 2: Scenario for any parent to think that their kids off in a college campus, in a house right off campus, could have some evildoer come in and just murder nearly everyone in that home.
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Speaker 3: It was just a nightmare.
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Speaker 2: And so yes, finally putting this to bed to now have to relive it, to now have to see this. This Brian Koberger's name and face all over the news and over the headlines, like that's painful every time you see his face, every time you read his name. And now that he's saying he's innocent, this is significant. He's claiming right that he was duped basically.
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Speaker 1: By his own lawyers, by the ones who are supposed to be helping him. That is a foundation of this petition he has now filed. He filed it on Monday, and it was in handwriting because he is not being represented right now, so he had to write out his own petition. We have seen the thing. We will let you hear what he wrote. It is not that long. But he is asking Robes for a trial. I'll keep stopping short of saying a new trial. He never got a trial in the first place. We never got there. So now he wants to go duke it out in court, roped and understanding the death penalty would be on the table.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, he's okay with that.
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Speaker 2: He's fine to face the potential of a death sentence in order to prove his innocence. He says he had yes, poor legal representation, and he literally says he was coerced into taking a plea deal because basically his attorneys scared him into doing so.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see if this flies. But this is a high bar for him. Will explain in a second why this is such a high bar. It is possible, Rose was not very likely that anybody's going to listen and he's actually going to get a trial. But the petition itself, it's it's very poor handwriting.
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Speaker 3: Did you see it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's chicken scratch.
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Speaker 3: That's a good way to describe it. In pencil?
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Speaker 2: Was it?
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Speaker 3: I believe it was.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Maybe you don't have access to pens in prison. I can understand why.
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Speaker 1: So it's a So this is it from start to finish. Here it's only an introductory couple of lines, and then he explains what happened. But he starts with it is hereby declare that during attorney client discussions, most of which included all members of the Brian C. Coburger's immediate family. Petitioner was convinced to falsely confess to capital murder and felony burglary by coercion, disinformation, false promises, and withholding exculpatory discovery. The following is material to the inception of the plea.
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Speaker 3: ROMs.
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Speaker 1: That's a strong start. Uh, it's got my attention. Wait a minute, what well, wasn't sculpatory?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't He also looking he was in the middle of getting his PhD in criminology, So look, he might not be a lawyer, but I do think he does have some exceptional knowledge into at least cases. And it sounds as even how he wrote this, it sounds very legal, It sounds very proper. But yes, it sounds like, holy hell, there's more to the story than we didn't know before.
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Speaker 1: He goes on here to say, as he's making these points, the following that our material to the plea, he said. One counsel's failure to inform petitioner of exculpatory discovery received during plea discussions, namely clumps of un known hair found in Ethan Chapin's hands, as well as a failure of further inquiry. He's saying one of the victims had somebody else's hair in his hand.
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Speaker 3: He talked about that in his New York Times article.
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Speaker 2: He did an interview with the New York Times and he said, yes, there apparently was at least a hair or some hair found in one of the victim's hands that was never tested, and so he was claiming that that was something that could perhaps prove his innocence or point to another intruder.
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Speaker 1: That sounds kind of familiar in a lot of k I guess we cover a lot of death row cases and it's always something at the end, something was never tested. It could belong to somebody else, So maybe we'll see. He continues to say. Petitioner was convinced that actual guilt was not an important factor in considering plea acceptance, death row was imminent, and advised to lie. Petitioner was to gain a legal victory in entering a false plea.
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Speaker 2: Does that makes sense, Yeah, he's claiming that his lawyers told him, Hey, you're literally going to be on death row, like you are gonna be convicted, and so if you just lie and plead guilty and say you did this, you will.
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Speaker 3: It's a victory.
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Speaker 2: It's the only victory you're going to be able to get, because that way you'll be able to stay off death row and have a better situation, because look, the evidence is bad against you right now, it's not looking good and so basically your only options are death row or not death row.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what he's claiming.
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Speaker 2: He was led to believe that by lying, that was the only legal victory he could possibly get.
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Speaker 1: He follows up with his last bit saying, a gross Miths representation of and promises regarding what a life sentence would immediately afford petitioner and a Grossmiths representation of death row in Idaho, including an elaborate, fabricated story of councils horrific experience touring an actual eight by death row cell. Huh, he is saying, they scared me so much about death row that I.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and he's saying that that fabricated story in all of these threats and scary stories about death row all were communicated to petitioner and his family allegedly by IDoc through council, thus constitute constituting sorry, thus constituting threats and promises made to induce a plea agreement.
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Speaker 3: So yes, he's saying he's threatened.
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Speaker 2: He was threatened to, and he was promised things in order to get him to lie.
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Speaker 1: But he was promised what nicer accommodations in prison.
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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me. But doesn't the judge always ask the defendant before, when he's standing there under oath, before they accept a plea agreement or certainly a guilty plea, do you understand has anyone made any promises to you? Doesn't the judge go through this list and ask the defendant these questions and they are under oath and expected to answer honestly.
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Speaker 1: Do I said? I think it said? It's like nine or ten times that the judge asked that question. We have seen this a lot at the end of trials. The judge makes sure this doesn't come up later and asks redundant after redundant question to make sure. And Brian Coberger answered the judge exactly like he was supposed to end up where he is. He asked the million times, has anybody cursed you into this? Have you done this intelligently? Free will? As anyone offered you anything, da da all the stuff, he answered all of it. Robes. The judge didn't miss a question or stip, of course he didn't. But he's saying, hey, if folks will remembers you mentioned how parents the concern for parents about safety on a college campus rose when this happened. There were concerns all over the country. Before he was caught. There were weeks of is someone stalking the students there in Idaho? But parents and campuses all over the country were scared to death because it happened in early November, November thirteenth or something like that. He wasn't caught until December.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sometime, there was about a month. November thirteenth, twenty twenty two was the crime in Moscow, Idaho. By the way, this was a campus that hadn't had a death on it in nearly a decade. So look, a lot of folks, yes, who have their kids on college campuses, and so many kids mine included, have these houses right outside of campus with a bunch of kids, boys and girls.
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Speaker 3: You feel safe.
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Speaker 2: These kids aren't locking their doors, They're not behaving the way perhaps you would if you were the adult in the room. Making sure things are safe and locked, and so yeah, they were coming in and out, they were partying, they were having fun as college kids.
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Speaker 3: Tend to do.
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Speaker 2: So this is frightening as hell for parents thinking there was a murderer on the loose in that area. College campuses all throughout that area. So yeah, this was scary stuff and a reminder to kids that even though it's rare, there are folks out there who commit crimes like this. And yes, when he was caught, a collective sigh of relief was experienced throughout this country.
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Speaker 1: The theory part of his was that, I guess afterwards I realized he had no connection to these folks. They could not at all find it. I think they found that maybe that he had eaten at the same restaurant they had once, but not the same time, just happened to be in the building.
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Speaker 2: One of the victims was I believe, a server or a waitress, I believe, and so his phone was at the same place of her employment a couple of times, but they were never able to make any connection beyond that happenstance. You've got a small college campus, so look, he didn't go to school there, but he went to school nearby. So look at the other thing that was so creepy about this. There were six roommates in that home. Four of them were killed, two others were left unharmed. They were and the two that were left unharmed were on the first floor. You would always think that would be the most vulnerable. It was the folks who were upstairs who were stabbed and killed. But they even reported seeing like a shadowy f you're hearing some noise, But they were all drinking, They had all been out partying. They slept it off till the next morning. They didn't even know anything was wrong until much later the next morning. But the horror of hearing like they were even texting back and forth, the two who survived, saying did you hear that? Like that sounded kind of crazy, But it's kids in college, and kids are acting loud and crazy when they're coming home from a bar.
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Speaker 3: And that's what they attributed the noise to.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Robes. I don't know those two. It's to think, Robes, what happened to your loved ones, your friends in the house. For Robes to think of, why in God's name am I still here? Why didn't that happen to me, Oh in this house. That's I don't know how they're doing and dealing with that right now, but now they're having to do and deal with this once again. Will they have to get dragged back into court? Stay here, will remind you about the last time many of these victims, many of these family members were in court, what they had to say, and we'll also remind you what was not said by Brian Colberg.
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Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone, as we discuss a pretty pretty huge headline that no one saw coming, the fact that the Idaho confessed murderer, or at least the one who pleaded guilty to the Idaho murders, Brian Coberger, is now saying he's innocent, that he was coerced into making those guilty pleas for killing four college students in late twenty twenty two November of twenty twenty two, and it took weeks for police to actually even figure out who this guy was. Because a random act of violence like this with no connection to suspects.
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Speaker 3: Is serial killer kind of.
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Speaker 2: This is not easy to necessarily draw a connection between an unknown subject who has no connection to the victims, But they were able to find some DNA on a knife, the fact that he had bought a knife they could confirm the same type of knife just a few weeks earlier. And the car, the description of his car matched the description of the car that had been seen multiple times around that home.
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Speaker 3: It looked as though he were casing out the joint, so to speak. But they had.
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Speaker 1: Some evidence there against him, but they didn't have to go through trial. It spared a lot of people. It spared family members of the four victims. It spared the two roommates of those victims from having to go sit through days, weeks, maybe months of testimony and trial. So Robes, it was a relief that they got their moments. It was last summer. I believe it was, Robes. We knew. Did it go over more than one day?
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Speaker 2: That I don't remember, but I remember that it was just the some of the most powerful victim impact statements we have ever heard.
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Speaker 1: That is sentencing and this is how it goes. And he sat and didn't react or anything. But Robes, I remember that day just that we took the time and we sat and we paid attention. We listened to those statements, and yes, some of those those family member Robes they let him have it that day. They were waiting to just let it all out, and all that emotion came out that day Robes, and that was supposed to be the end of it. But one thing they walked out of Robes without having is an understanding of why Brian Colberger had a chance to speak, he chose not to.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and even President Trump wanted the judge to basically keep this plea agreement from moving forward until or unless he gave a motive. Everyone wanted him either to find, not even apologize, but to explain why these four victims, Why Madison, why Zana, why Ethan, why Kayley? Why go after these people who you have no known relationship or beef with?
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Speaker 3: Why them? Why now?
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Speaker 2: And despite all the push and all the pleas for him to give a reason, he refused, And the judge didn't make that a condition of the plea agreement, which a lot of people were upset about, because the judge could have done that. The judge could have said, this does not move forward unless you give us an explanation, so he never had to explain himself.
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Speaker 1: I wonder though a judge could have said, I don't know if that does that legally. Hold up, I'm so curious. Can you compel somebody right? That was for the prosecutor in the midst of negotiation to ensure that was on the table.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point.
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Speaker 1: It's a contract negotiation. That's a good anything else, and they should have if that was paramount and important, Boom should have slapped it on the table first.
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Speaker 2: This is what you're going to have to do, exactly, And so instead you had family members being able to Yes, you're never supposed to directly address the defendant, but at least they threw the judge called him a sociopath, a psychopath, a murderer. They talked about just how he has disgusted this community, that hell will be waiting. I mean, they had some vicious words for him, and he sat there and he listened to it unemotionally, as was described by everyone.
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Speaker 1: So we are didn't see one reaction from him in court of a twitch of any kind in this guy. But now we might. Will we see him again in a courtroom in a fight over this case. We do not know. Robes. I don't see anywhere where anyone thinks there's a high degree of probability that this is going to be successful, but we've seen a lot of weird things.
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Speaker 2: Legally, Yeah, it is strange knowing that he signed off on and waived all of his rights to appeal any and all issues in this case. How do you get around that? Now, we've obviously seen how our justice system works, and there's usually a loophole here there somewhere, And he is actively seeking an attorney correct right now, He did this so far pro se, but he has asked for an attorney, and so yes, we shall see if an attorney we'll be able to come up with a good enough reason, and I don't know what they might be for him to enter into another round or at least continue to fight for what he claims is his right to a trial, one that he completely and already gave up and waived with his plea deal.
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Speaker 3: So we will keep our eye on this.
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Speaker 2: We certainly hope for the victim's family's sake that this hopefully will be over before too long. But we know how our justice system works and sometimes it is slow, But we will keep.
00:18:49
Speaker 3: Our eye on this.
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Speaker 2: We always appreciate you listening to us everyone. I made me roback alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to him