July 20, 2026
“Hyper Masculinity” Influencers Arrested, Facing New And Growing Sex Crimes
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RSS Feed Miami police arrested social media stars Andrew and Tristan Tate, self described misogynists, for new sex trafficking and rape charges. British officials are seeking extradition of the brothers as these new charges bring the total number of alleged victims to seven, and the number of charges they’re facing to 59. 39-year-old Andrew, and 38-year-old Tristan are both former champion kickboxers, turned reality show contestants who have built an empire pushing hypermasculinity. They’ve been banned from most social media platforms, except for Elon Musk’s X, where Andrew Tate has more than 10 million followers.
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Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. A set of self proclaimed misogynistic brothers have been making the headlines, and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit, I am just getting up to speed on the Tate brothers, their manosphere, the unbelievable number of crimes they're accused of committing, and all of this has been going on. There have been headlines about the Tate brothers for about a decade, and I'm just getting up to speed. Were you aware of Andrew and Tristan Tate?
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Speaker 2: Who are you? You said, you're embarrassed that you're not up onto misogynists and too chauvens who are spewing this stuff out there. Don't be embarrassed. We're not supposed to understand that shit like this is even going on. Their names, Yes, have made headlines. I'm familiar with them, I am. I think I'm surprised at just with this latest round of headlines and the latest time they're being taken into custody here in the US. I think I am shocked at just how big of a movement there seems to be of people who are promoting and have an audience for folks who want the knowledge of how to go through life. Putting down women.
00:01:16
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, and that's a good way to put it. These two have made I don't even know how many millions and millions of dollars claiming to be self help guys who are trying to help other guys, and not in the way you would think. I would think, have better fitness, have better self care practices, have some better mental health. But no, they put down anyone who seeks mental health, They put down anyone who isn't a real man. And they elevate women who excuse me, they don't elevate women at all. They elevate men who put down women. They are flying in the face of basically all of this this feminine empowerment movement. They're kind of taking it back and they're acting like they're the victims and they want to help men reclaim their power and their place in the world.
00:02:07
Speaker 2: Why do they have such an audience then.
00:02:10
Speaker 1: Because apparently there are a bunch of men who feel emasculated. I don't know, is that the way to look at it.
00:02:15
Speaker 2: It is, and that that's a part of what they really do think robes They are finding an audience of young men disenfranchised for whatever reason. They think in their own minds. But they're looking for what ropes. They're looking for identity, they're looking for purpose, a sense of belonging. They're looking for strength, they're looking for respect, they are looking for power. And these guys are giving them a community where they can be like minded and go after these things. This is almost not almost, it's the basic most ridiculous, stereotypical foolishness you would ever see. First, get the money, get the card, and you get the girl. I mean, it's really all they're promoting. But the way they are suggesting going about it not just a matter of putting women down ropes. In some instances, these guys have given instruction on how to harm women if they don't behave ropes. They have an audience millions upon millions. Andrew Tait has ten point eight million followers on.
00:03:13
Speaker 1: X and you say on X because he's been banned on every other social media platform, and he had been banned on Twitter until Elon Must took it over and reinstated him. And yes, that is why I guess I said at the beginning that I was embarrassed that I really wasn't aware of these two, these brothers, and they hate they were spewing because I do think as a woman and has a mom of daughters, and certainly when you actually have a platform to not be aware that this is going on at the level it's been going on, and I was only made aware when even more arrests excuse me, they've been arrested again, but even more heinous charges have been leveled against them. You were talking about two men, two brothers, who promote hyper masculinity and yes, off instructions on how to put a woman in her place should she disobey, who have made money off of dehumanizing women. Truly, that's the best way to put it. And now for them to be charged with the worst sexual crimes you can imagine, including sex trafficking, rape, we're talking about minors. This is an international situation as well. Charges in Romania, charges in Great Britain. I think the only place here in the United States we haven't This country hasn't formally charged them, but maybe that's coming to You.
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Speaker 2: Know what, robes, There are some ditty parallels obviously here ropes. Sex trafficking fits in this one. It does unlike the one that they got ditty on ropes. These these two have been allowed you say sex trafficking. This is a classic case. It is this or the definition. Look, they have not been convicted of anything. We need to say that clearly, and we should say it, and we should repeat it several times here ropes, but they I don't know how. The other comparison they're making is Epstein that a house of cards is now kind of coming down, that they have been allowed to operate for so many years, and Ropes. Some of these accusations do go back decade decade plus. Yes, so they have been, according to prosecutors in many places up to this trafficking, abusing women for the sake of profit, actually for years and years and years. There isn't Epstein comparison. In Robes. It's apt because there are so many people on the right who were embracing these guys because of what the audience that they commanded, and also some of the same messaging they had that we sometimes see coming out of the administration, in particular.
00:05:46
Speaker 1: Maybe Anti DEI or I was going to.
00:05:49
Speaker 2: Think, you're your guy over the Hexseth with the uber masculinity right low, t that thing right there, Robes. The problem is that these guys are so influential they are creating an army of young men who are going to go out into the world and spread this and behave like this and be the option for women who are looking for good partners roapes. That is the scary part, is that we are raising a possible community and army of guys whose mindset it is to treat women in this way.
00:06:22
Speaker 1: And you know what also was concerning with you when you mentioned the Epstein connection, And Okay, I can see that, but I would even argue, if what they're being charged with is true, it may be even worse in that they were hiding in plain sight. They weren't doing things covertly, they weren't doing things behind closed doors. They were putting it all out on social media, getting likes and clicks. They've even been accused of deliberately putting out very incendiary videos to skew the algorithms they can get more followers, so they can get more clicks, so they can get more money. They were deliberately being I don't even know the word to describe it. It's beyond defensive, it's dangerous, and they were allowed to continue to operate with Really, yes, they've been charged, but what accountability has there actually been for their action.
00:07:14
Speaker 2: Isn't there a separation? I'm meant to go back to it. You said this hyper uber masculinity, and a lot of that's out there. I find this to be almost in a different category. Yes, they do promote hyper masculinity, but roads they promote a tilet of massogyny and violence. That's different from a lot of guys just out there saying, yeah, get the biggest muscles and you gotta be tough and you got I find this the little more. I don't even know if I want to call it extreme, but it's a little different from even if you have a problem with the uber masculinity. This is other level stuff.
00:07:49
Speaker 1: They're justifying rape.
00:07:51
Speaker 2: They have And this is a guy Andrew Tate, who has before promoted and said no problem being shy about saying that women were responsible if they were the ones who were sexually assaulted.
00:08:00
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's that's a fact.
00:08:03
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about with these guys who rose. We go through the back and forth. Uh what Britain romania in US? Okay, it's the kind of how the route and if you all are familiar and again I broke don't and I get what you're saying. You say, I'm embarrassed. I it wasn't aware, Bro, I don't know. I wouldn't believe you if you told me, yes, that somebody's out there spewing that they have a massive audience that even the White House was willing to listen to. I didn't know that.
00:08:32
Speaker 1: Yes, So we're talking about thirty nine year old Andrew Tate, his brother of thirty eight year old Tristan Tate. They were both kickboxing champions, correct.
00:08:40
Speaker 2: I thought just the older brother, I know baby brother did.
00:08:42
Speaker 1: I saw a baby brother was too, So they both have this masculine prowess. They've been kickboxing champions, they both in reality TV.
00:08:53
Speaker 2: Did you get the sense that we as all you see about them that the older brother seemed to be more of the ring leader.
00:08:59
Speaker 1: Seem to be got most charges against him too.
00:09:01
Speaker 2: And like overwhelmingly Yes, as well as it seems, but it always seems like baby brother's just kind of in the background a little bit. He's always standing right there, but it's the brother who's on the microphone, who's holding cord. And I don't know, it seems like this was a situation that big brother had a lot of.
00:09:16
Speaker 1: Influence leading, yes, leading him down the wrong path. But little brother's only one year younger, so he doesn't really have a lot to hang his hat on in terms of hey, I was just doing what my big brother told me to do, but yes he was. Actually Andrew Tait had already been known and was widely known as this kickboxing champion. He gets on big brother UK and has removed pretty quickly, kind of like what we've seen in Love Island here, because yes, a video emerged of him hitting a woman with a belt.
00:09:44
Speaker 2: Did you see this video?
00:09:46
Speaker 1: I didn't look at it because I didn't want to watch it. But there was also another one where he was making a woman count how many bruises he gave her.
00:09:54
Speaker 2: Yes, and to your like, you said, so this sounds familiar because we just went through it several times with Love Island. Folks the United States are certainly familiar with this. But yes, this is way worse. Yeah, and you know what the other one, what's your name? Frankie Taylor?
00:10:07
Speaker 1: Frankie Taylor, Paul with that video that came.
00:10:10
Speaker 2: Out, this was now rose and now I'll be embarrassed. I watched the video this morning.
00:10:17
Speaker 1: And see I couldn't bring myself to do it. I just I didn't want.
00:10:20
Speaker 2: To click on it, so I'm sorry I did.
00:10:22
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Please tell us what you saw? Are your thoughts on it?
00:10:25
Speaker 2: It's weird, but he claims it was consensual. And this is a woman and yes, her bear butt. He's on top of her in his dingy room on a bed and has a belt and spanking her robes and I look, they claimed it was consensual, but he was plucked off the show, pulled him off the show at the time. But robes that made him at excuse me, I shouldn't say a star, but it made him famous.
00:10:47
Speaker 1: It elevated him, yes, which is so disturbing. So a video that one like that, where you think would destroy someone or cancel someone. No, it gave him a platform to showcase that very same thing. And the scary thing is that millions of young, disenfranchised young men said hell, yeah, I want some more of that.
00:11:10
Speaker 2: So I mean, how much of that is just they're looking at it because it's extreme? You got to be extreme online these days? Or is I think it's more than that. I think folks would agree it's more than that. Roal. He's found an audience his messaging is working, and people are young men are liking what they're hearing and they want some of it or more of it. How many are they implementing it? Or is this just entertainment? Do young men no different, no better?
00:11:36
Speaker 1: At a certain point, when do you know better? I mean you like I don't know you talk about you've joked about in a very different way that you didn't become emotionally intelligent until your mid thirties, right late late thirties. Okay, Well, these guys are thirty nine and thirty eight, but they're influencing young men. We're talking teenagers, men in their twenties, men who are searching and looking and look, when we see the volatility and the violence in the world, let's be honest, when we think about school shooters, when we think about terror attacks, we're talking about young men in their twenties. So this is a highly susceptible group of folks who are looking for leadership, looking for direction, and instead of getting it from maybe someone like their pastor or someone who they can look up to, who can lead them down the right path, these guys are exacting scary and massive and dangerous influence. And the fact that they're still I mean, I know right now they're behind bars, But my god, what took so long? If what they're being accused of is true, it is disgusting that they not only did, if they did it what they're accused of doing, but broadcasted to the world and wanted to teach other men to behave like they do. Yes, that is, and how is that possible?
00:12:50
Speaker 2: They are entrepreneurs and rogues. It's why I always say, man, if there's so many people I see out there, criminals, wow, that is really impressive. If you were able to use your powers for good, my good, like there is. They built an empire. They built influence, Robes, and they have a voice in a worldwide conversation. And they built that from nothing. But they built it on porn. They actually built what was the article's name. They built an empire on abuse. They built an empire on abusing women. That is true, Robes, they made their initial fortune. This started what in the early twenty tens. They said, they started a porn business. And then when they were taking these young women, I say taking, but these women were on live webcam and they were being paid money. These guys built a fortune. Now, Robes you hear that, Okay, fine, you're not into porn, not yourself out, but you.
00:13:47
Speaker 1: Understand if it's adult everywhere, it's all consensual.
00:13:50
Speaker 2: But this now goes along Robes. It makes sense with so many of the chargers they're facing having to do with sex trafficking, with sex trafficking. Now they have faced sex trafficking charges from Romania to Britain. Now they're again arrested in the US to be sent back to Great Britain. But Robes, so many the allegations fall in line to make it seem like they have coursed and been influencing young women and do sex acts and porn without necessarily the women's understanding.
00:14:20
Speaker 1: Course is the word the worst, and one as young as fifteen, I believe in one of the charges.
00:14:24
Speaker 2: Because to have had sex with that fifteen years.
00:14:27
Speaker 1: Yes, and look we're talking the recent round of charges. I believe the total count as of this recording that these two brothers are facing together fifty nine charges in Great Britain alone, in Great Britain alone in Romania. They haven't gotten their act together enough to actually formally charge them, but they were under suspicion. They were under house arrest oh, they charged them.
00:14:50
Speaker 2: They were thrown out because because that was paperwork probably validated. Then they're going to go back and redo it. And then they were supposed to be stuck there, and that's where we get into some White House or administration connection. They were not even they weren't even supposed to leave Romania, and somebody swooped in and saved them. Will somebody that in just a second.
00:15:10
Speaker 1: But we have to claim them because they actually have dual citizenship. Citizenship they are they were born here in America. They were raised mostly in England, correct outside of London, but they're American too, and so they were free to come here once Romania lifted that to your house arrest. I don't know if it was It wasn't a sentence, but it was some sort of country arrest.
00:15:35
Speaker 2: They weren't supposed to travel.
00:15:36
Speaker 1: Okay, but they got They made their way to Miami and that is where they have been arrested recently. But my god, what happens next is certainly going to be interesting because there are a lot of different possibilities.
00:15:50
Speaker 2: They have always maintained, we'll say it again, maintained they are innocent of all charges they have faced around the world at this point denied them all but the late here and this is a long list. So what happened in the latest round here Robes and they're back in the US and the British want them back, but they have charged them now with a whole new slew And you always said that the big brother is the one that's kind of out front. He is facing some severe chargers were Robes, and they stack up much more severely and just in number, so much more than his brother.
00:16:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to get your head around these charges. But we'll go over the latest ones right now. But in these incidents, as you mentioned, did start back in twenty ten.
00:16:34
Speaker 2: Correct, twenty seventeen of his latest round.
00:16:37
Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Tait is now being charged with seven counts of rape, three counts of sex trafficking, three counts of assault, nineteen more charges relating to sexual images of children and extreme pornography. So we're talking about child porn now.
00:16:55
Speaker 2: I was I told you I watched that video earlier. I was not brave enough to google what they meant because they put it in Brinth's extreme pornogat. Now what is that I did not google that one?
00:17:07
Speaker 1: I don't want to google it either, but we can imagine, and I'm sure none of us actually want to have any of that in our head. Now, his brother, Tristan Tait, who again is a year younger, faces two new charges of rape, one count of sexual assault, and three counts of sex trafficking. But these are charges all in Great Britain.
00:17:25
Speaker 2: And before these are the latest ones, Okay, before that, the ones that went back to twenty twelve to twenty fifteen, rape, bodily harm, human trafficking and controlling prostitution. That is where they now, with the combined robes, they have fifty nine charges between those two cases. This looks awful. They are innocent, we always say, Robes. I'll stop. They are innocent men until otherwise proven. But this stuff has been stacking up. It goes back to twenty ten. This is fifteen plus years that they have counts of rape, numbling it numbering in the double digits.
00:17:58
Speaker 1: I mean, that does rival Jeffrey Epstein. That does rival some of the worst sexual predators in this world ever documented in history. And they profited off of it. They have a following because of it. That's what distinguishes this case, and that's what makes this to me so much more frightening than anything we've seen before because of the influence they've had and they are now as tell me know, if tell me, let me know if you think any differently. Are they being martyred here now that they're going to now be potentially facing all of these charges, going to be thrown in court, possibly thrown behind bars for the rest of their lives, will they be martyred? Will it almost enlivened their followers that they've amassed over these decades.
00:18:45
Speaker 2: Martyred robes? So you made me immediately think to a what was it?
00:18:52
Speaker 1: Was it?
00:18:53
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior? Eric Trump?
00:18:54
Speaker 1: Well, Donald Trump Junior with.
00:18:56
Speaker 2: The comment when they were in Romania, that tells you maybe all you need to know. Now we haven't heard anything new from the administration after this latest round of charges, but Romes there were times when they were being charged in Romania where which one was the.
00:19:13
Speaker 1: So Andrew Tate and Romania. By the way, we should mention what those charges were because they were specific as well correct. They had charges of coercion, coersing women in sex acts porn, accused of rape and having sex with the minor. That was Andrew with the fifteen year old.
00:19:28
Speaker 2: That was all from Romania, and while he was being held in Romania not allowed to leave, he got words of support. Correct, that's no other way to interpret what that was. He said, I can't remember which son.
00:19:42
Speaker 1: It was, it was it was Donald Trump Junior.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior spoke up in pretty definitive terms about what he thought about this guy being accused of rape, sex with the minor and coursing women into sex acts in pornography. His feeling was it's insane.
00:20:00
Speaker 1: Was the word to use the fact that they were arrested and being charged was quote unquote by Donald Trump Junior, insanity. And that's what he tells you what you need to know. And there is concern. Now we've already seen folks wondering whether or not our Secretary of State Mark or Rubio will actually extradite these brothers. But look, there's a lot of questions about what sort of support they may or may not have from the Trump administration. It's been widely all the headlines suggests that the Tate brothers are huge supporters of Donald Trump and the Trump administration and have been supporters of his campaign. And you pointed this out earlier. If you look at who their followers are and who a lot of folks are within the MAGA community, the far right who are just vehemently in support of President Trump and his policies. There is overlap between those two slices of society. Is the best way for me to put it right? I mean, I'm trying to be as politically correct as I possible. Don't want to offend anybody because just because you're mega and just because you support Trump doesn't mean that you are a part of the Manosphere or you in any way condone what these brothers have been putting out there.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: That is true.
00:21:11
Speaker 1: That's and I want to make sure we point that out.
00:21:14
Speaker 2: Also, just because you're a member of this Manosphere thing doesn't mean you're a member of MAGA. So we don't want to offend anybody crew.
00:21:21
Speaker 1: That's wow. I hadn't even thought about it from that perspective, But okay, now that you can point that out, fair.
00:21:26
Speaker 2: We don't offend anybody. But yes, your point, they became a big deal because when you have, like you said, Robes, they have that much influence over that particular group. Tucker Carlson flew to Romania to interview this guy, Candice Owens flew to Romania to interview this guy they wanted to when they were in the midst of all these charges, with all this going on. Robes and that Tucker Carlson interview, I think it got a hundred million views. Probably did think it did.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: And that's why he went over there to interview them, and that's why Candice Owens went over there to interview them.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: That's the thing that is why they're influential because you've got folks clamoring to be a part of that community. They want access to who these guys have, so that, yes, does make folks like Donald Trump Junior look at this maybe differently. There are plenty of reports. New York Times has done some reporting about a relationship that Andrew Tate has with Baron Trump, of all people, who was a fan of Andrew Tates, and they have actually been on facetimes together ropes. So how just how big and significant that relationship is we don't know. However, we have gotten some significant, big time reporting from the New York Times about that relationship and the fact that maybe the Tate brothers would not even be out of Romania had it not been for President Donald Trump, and.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: We continue our conversation about Andrew and Tristan Tate, two names that I frankly did not know up until recent headlines. And man, I wish I had known about them soon or this is the kind of story. These are the type of influencers that are dangerous that we all, especially us women and especially folks raising young women, need to know and understand and be aware of. That's where I am actually angry at myself as a parent to not even recognize, Yes, we know this stuff is out there, but I didn't know to what extent. I didn't know that power these brothers had, the influence these brothers had, and the fact that they've been allowed to continue to operate for decades upon decades. And yes, they haven't been convicted of their crimes, but we can convict them on their words, and we can convict them on what we've heard directly from them, what we've seen from them, what they've bragged about, and what they've tried to convince other men to go out and do and become and behave. That's a problem that we can condemn because we've seen it. This isn't We don't need a courtroom. We don't need a set of jurors to determine that these folks are guilty of spreading hate and of inciting dangerous acts against women.
00:24:20
Speaker 2: Okay, well, how are you? How are we? How is anybody gonna convince his ten point eight million followers on X that what you're saying is right and not what he's saying. I say that somewhat sarcastically, but that's the challenge, Robes. If you have he's got an army to think that anybody is like it would be a follower of these things. Women belong to.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: Men, and that is absolutely what he says.
00:24:50
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, how can I go to if any one of those ten point eight million believe that? I don't even know where to start. I don't know how to start.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: They's overwhelming. Look, and it's so interesting when I say it, because I keep seeing like social media influencers. Don't you think of just like fun girls taking selfies and showing you the best beauty products out there? I don't think of someone encouraging and listing how to make control women, basically control women to do whatever it is that you want them to do, because it's your right as a man. I don't know how to counter that, because if you give someone power who feels powerless, that's intoxicating as hell. And you're telling them it's their right, it's their natural born right. And then what the rest of the world, all these what do they call it, guyno something, all these feminazis out there, all these women want to tell you otherwise. Will We're here to re empower you, to put you in your rightful place, to put you on the throne you deserve. That is hard to combat when someone's giving you that and telling you you deserve it, and you were born into that right.
00:26:00
Speaker 2: So where you want to start, Like, where do we even start?
00:26:04
Speaker 1: We'll add the trumps to the situation.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: And it's my pulsation, I just where do you start? Because yes, the administration, even I guess we should go, in particular with the with the Defense Department Roy, they promote this uber masculine broie we will blow shit up attitude. I'm not making that up. And that is not a that's not a criticism. That's just a statement of fact of how they've gone about promoting. And yes, this whole idea estrogen, estrogen, testosterone testing, don't.
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Get that mixed up man woo. That probably discussing you must have low t just the fact that your brain can tell your mouth to say that.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Right, I need to go in for some testing one about forty eight now. But ro just that idea that you that is literally telling men you're not man enough to be in the military. This is what we do now. So these guys have a platform. So if that's coming from the administration, we shouldn't be surprised, Robes that the administration seemed to have an interest in the Tate Brothers Romania. People can't figure it out for the life of them. How these dudes left Romania. They were there. They were supposed to be under like you said, house arrest of some kind. But they weren't supposed to leave the country. They weren't supposed to be able to travel. Lo and behold, they made their way.
00:27:20
Speaker 1: To Florida private jet.
00:27:22
Speaker 2: Yes, when did they land this year? They got there when it was this year? Right, it was last year.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: It was either late last year or early this year.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: Just got back to the US and Robes they there is reporting by the New York Times. They did an extensive article about the connection between the Trump administration and the Tate brothers, and absolutely, they say prosecutors over in Romania are pissed that this was a diplomatic intervention the likes of which we should not be seeing. And it was scary to think that these two that the President of the United States, So the administration is the accusation, stepped in and convinced the romaaning inferior officials to lift that ban on the travel, and as soon as they did, they got the hell out of there. They have text messages robes. The New York Times reporting that show Andrew Tate texting someone don't know who's on the other end, saying I'll be out soon. The Trump administration is on top of it. Another one. We're saying, yeah, I think it'll be fine. It's just Trump needs to see us in Miami. Robes. He's texting this to people who never thinking this is going to get out Robes. It is scary to watch what is happening right now with these guys. And the scariest part, whatever happened, I mean they have according to these indicted robes, they have victims upon victims all over the world. It appears at this point, absolutely so whatever happens to them is one thing. But I do think Robes they are giving us something very important and sounding alarm bells. We have got to pay attention to these tape brothers and what they represent.
00:29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you've said this. When it comes to racism, it's you know, the overt racists are one thing, and we have to deal with them because they do spawn so much hate. And then it's the it's the covert ones that are even scarier. But when you have overt overt racism and that's not even corrected, and you and this is misogyny, but it's also racism. Correct this is all about white male dominant.
00:29:37
Speaker 2: Oh there's some anti Semitic stuff thrown in there as well, because.
00:29:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out, yes, it's mostly against women, but it also is absolutely being deemed as racist, misogynists, you name it. It's basically, if you weren't white, and you aren't a male, you should have no say because they are the superior beings period.
00:29:55
Speaker 2: And if you're not rich, don't have a great car, don't have a good body, right, they're just promoting this thing. And so for me, ro I understand what you're saying. You when you said embarrassed, I was alarmed, Like, I didn't know this stuff is going on. We see their names in the headline. We've covered their names and headlines a couple of times. Robes. I did not know this is a thing. Ropes a big thing. So I'm thinking about a seventeen year old boy, a fifteen year old boy, a middle school or a college junior, looking for identity, looking to be strong, looking to be a man. We were talking about this the other day, Rose about how in the dating shows, men don't know how to react when their feelings get hurt, their hearts get broken, because they lash out. That's how we're trained to do. We are being They're being trained in a way I didn't even know is out there.
00:30:45
Speaker 1: You know, it's so frightening because I just think about all of these millions of followers who we don't know who they are. But what happens when the next time a girl rejects them? What happens when the next time a woman makes him feel stupid? You know, like you've talked talked about extensively, that men don't have necessarily or aren't given the tools necessarily to emotionally and maturely react to things. This takes things to a whole other level that is frightening beyond belief. And then to think that it has ties to some of the policy or at least the mindset has ties to some of the policy changes we're seeing in this administration. It's something we all need to be paying attention to as fathers, as mothers, as humans, that women shouldn't just be upset about this. Men, the men who love them, should be upset about this. This is disturbing and alarming, and in a way, I'm so grateful that this is coming out now. Should I can be more aware of it, because yes, we've heard manosphere, and I've heard toxic masculinity and hyper masculinism, and I've heard all of these phrases and we've done podcasts on them. I haven't thought of them as something inherently dangerous to the point where women's lives are at stake. And it does feel like this when you start to read the scope of this, what they've been putting out there, as long as they've been putting out there, and the support they've been getting along the way, this is beyond frightening.
00:32:21
Speaker 2: Is there any parent that would want their young child must go a young man, young boy to follow a guy who calls himself the king of toxic masculinity. Is there any way you would say to your son, Yeah, that's cool. This is what the guy calls himself. He calls himself a misogynist. There is no way. I don't need to look into that person's background before I know that's not somebody you want your young man growing up to be like So Robes, this is a warning that needs to be passed along. Yes, young women, but first and foremost to young men.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: You are correct.
00:33:05
Speaker 2: Watch out for this. This is not manliness, This is not masculinity. This is not manhood. This is bullshit that gets promoted and pushed. Maybe Robes he just started out because he wanted to build a following. Who knows if he's just playing a character, Robes, or if this is who he is. But some of these allegations, Robes, somebody's been saying the same thing about him for twenty years. It's hard to believe that that's just a coincidence. Robes. There is a consistency in what people have been saying about these two for damn near twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when someone shows you who they are and tells you who they are. This isn't even about somebody John to say, he's not what it seems or it appears. No, he's doubling down and saying that's exactly who I am. And I like what you just said. Yes, I guess I was internalizing it, thinking mothers need to be aware. Women need to be aware, but my god fathers need to be aware. And we all need to be talking to our young men and making sure they're not being unduly influenced by people who are putting out this kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, folks, we'll continue to educate ourselves. But yes, we have to admit this is not one just the details and just how widespread this stuff is. It's not something we were up on as much as we are now. But we always appreciate you spending a little time with us. Talk soon,
Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. A set of self proclaimed misogynistic brothers have been making the headlines, and I'm kind of embarrassed to admit, I am just getting up to speed on the Tate brothers, their manosphere, the unbelievable number of crimes they're accused of committing, and all of this has been going on. There have been headlines about the Tate brothers for about a decade, and I'm just getting up to speed. Were you aware of Andrew and Tristan Tate?
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Speaker 2: Who are you? You said, you're embarrassed that you're not up onto misogynists and too chauvens who are spewing this stuff out there. Don't be embarrassed. We're not supposed to understand that shit like this is even going on. Their names, Yes, have made headlines. I'm familiar with them, I am. I think I'm surprised at just with this latest round of headlines and the latest time they're being taken into custody here in the US. I think I am shocked at just how big of a movement there seems to be of people who are promoting and have an audience for folks who want the knowledge of how to go through life. Putting down women.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, and that's a good way to put it. These two have made I don't even know how many millions and millions of dollars claiming to be self help guys who are trying to help other guys, and not in the way you would think. I would think, have better fitness, have better self care practices, have some better mental health. But no, they put down anyone who seeks mental health, They put down anyone who isn't a real man. And they elevate women who excuse me, they don't elevate women at all. They elevate men who put down women. They are flying in the face of basically all of this this feminine empowerment movement. They're kind of taking it back and they're acting like they're the victims and they want to help men reclaim their power and their place in the world.
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Speaker 2: Why do they have such an audience then.
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Speaker 1: Because apparently there are a bunch of men who feel emasculated. I don't know, is that the way to look at it.
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Speaker 2: It is, and that that's a part of what they really do think robes They are finding an audience of young men disenfranchised for whatever reason. They think in their own minds. But they're looking for what ropes. They're looking for identity, they're looking for purpose, a sense of belonging. They're looking for strength, they're looking for respect, they are looking for power. And these guys are giving them a community where they can be like minded and go after these things. This is almost not almost, it's the basic most ridiculous, stereotypical foolishness you would ever see. First, get the money, get the card, and you get the girl. I mean, it's really all they're promoting. But the way they are suggesting going about it not just a matter of putting women down ropes. In some instances, these guys have given instruction on how to harm women if they don't behave ropes. They have an audience millions upon millions. Andrew Tait has ten point eight million followers on.
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Speaker 1: X and you say on X because he's been banned on every other social media platform, and he had been banned on Twitter until Elon Must took it over and reinstated him. And yes, that is why I guess I said at the beginning that I was embarrassed that I really wasn't aware of these two, these brothers, and they hate they were spewing because I do think as a woman and has a mom of daughters, and certainly when you actually have a platform to not be aware that this is going on at the level it's been going on, and I was only made aware when even more arrests excuse me, they've been arrested again, but even more heinous charges have been leveled against them. You were talking about two men, two brothers, who promote hyper masculinity and yes, off instructions on how to put a woman in her place should she disobey, who have made money off of dehumanizing women. Truly, that's the best way to put it. And now for them to be charged with the worst sexual crimes you can imagine, including sex trafficking, rape, we're talking about minors. This is an international situation as well. Charges in Romania, charges in Great Britain. I think the only place here in the United States we haven't This country hasn't formally charged them, but maybe that's coming to You.
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Speaker 2: Know what, robes, There are some ditty parallels obviously here ropes. Sex trafficking fits in this one. It does unlike the one that they got ditty on ropes. These these two have been allowed you say sex trafficking. This is a classic case. It is this or the definition. Look, they have not been convicted of anything. We need to say that clearly, and we should say it, and we should repeat it several times here ropes, but they I don't know how. The other comparison they're making is Epstein that a house of cards is now kind of coming down, that they have been allowed to operate for so many years, and Ropes. Some of these accusations do go back decade decade plus. Yes, so they have been, according to prosecutors in many places up to this trafficking, abusing women for the sake of profit, actually for years and years and years. There isn't Epstein comparison. In Robes. It's apt because there are so many people on the right who were embracing these guys because of what the audience that they commanded, and also some of the same messaging they had that we sometimes see coming out of the administration, in particular.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Anti DEI or I was going to.
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Speaker 2: Think, you're your guy over the Hexseth with the uber masculinity right low, t that thing right there, Robes. The problem is that these guys are so influential they are creating an army of young men who are going to go out into the world and spread this and behave like this and be the option for women who are looking for good partners roapes. That is the scary part, is that we are raising a possible community and army of guys whose mindset it is to treat women in this way.
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Speaker 1: And you know what also was concerning with you when you mentioned the Epstein connection, And Okay, I can see that, but I would even argue, if what they're being charged with is true, it may be even worse in that they were hiding in plain sight. They weren't doing things covertly, they weren't doing things behind closed doors. They were putting it all out on social media, getting likes and clicks. They've even been accused of deliberately putting out very incendiary videos to skew the algorithms they can get more followers, so they can get more clicks, so they can get more money. They were deliberately being I don't even know the word to describe it. It's beyond defensive, it's dangerous, and they were allowed to continue to operate with Really, yes, they've been charged, but what accountability has there actually been for their action.
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Speaker 2: Isn't there a separation? I'm meant to go back to it. You said this hyper uber masculinity, and a lot of that's out there. I find this to be almost in a different category. Yes, they do promote hyper masculinity, but roads they promote a tilet of massogyny and violence. That's different from a lot of guys just out there saying, yeah, get the biggest muscles and you gotta be tough and you got I find this the little more. I don't even know if I want to call it extreme, but it's a little different from even if you have a problem with the uber masculinity. This is other level stuff.
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Speaker 1: They're justifying rape.
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Speaker 2: They have And this is a guy Andrew Tate, who has before promoted and said no problem being shy about saying that women were responsible if they were the ones who were sexually assaulted.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's that's a fact.
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Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about with these guys who rose. We go through the back and forth. Uh what Britain romania in US? Okay, it's the kind of how the route and if you all are familiar and again I broke don't and I get what you're saying. You say, I'm embarrassed. I it wasn't aware, Bro, I don't know. I wouldn't believe you if you told me, yes, that somebody's out there spewing that they have a massive audience that even the White House was willing to listen to. I didn't know that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, So we're talking about thirty nine year old Andrew Tate, his brother of thirty eight year old Tristan Tate. They were both kickboxing champions, correct.
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Speaker 2: I thought just the older brother, I know baby brother did.
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Speaker 1: I saw a baby brother was too, So they both have this masculine prowess. They've been kickboxing champions, they both in reality TV.
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Speaker 2: Did you get the sense that we as all you see about them that the older brother seemed to be more of the ring leader.
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Speaker 1: Seem to be got most charges against him too.
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Speaker 2: And like overwhelmingly Yes, as well as it seems, but it always seems like baby brother's just kind of in the background a little bit. He's always standing right there, but it's the brother who's on the microphone, who's holding cord. And I don't know, it seems like this was a situation that big brother had a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Influence leading, yes, leading him down the wrong path. But little brother's only one year younger, so he doesn't really have a lot to hang his hat on in terms of hey, I was just doing what my big brother told me to do, but yes he was. Actually Andrew Tait had already been known and was widely known as this kickboxing champion. He gets on big brother UK and has removed pretty quickly, kind of like what we've seen in Love Island here, because yes, a video emerged of him hitting a woman with a belt.
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Speaker 2: Did you see this video?
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Speaker 1: I didn't look at it because I didn't want to watch it. But there was also another one where he was making a woman count how many bruises he gave her.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and to your like, you said, so this sounds familiar because we just went through it several times with Love Island. Folks the United States are certainly familiar with this. But yes, this is way worse. Yeah, and you know what the other one, what's your name? Frankie Taylor?
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Speaker 1: Frankie Taylor, Paul with that video that came.
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Speaker 2: Out, this was now rose and now I'll be embarrassed. I watched the video this morning.
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Speaker 1: And see I couldn't bring myself to do it. I just I didn't want.
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Speaker 2: To click on it, so I'm sorry I did.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Please tell us what you saw? Are your thoughts on it?
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Speaker 2: It's weird, but he claims it was consensual. And this is a woman and yes, her bear butt. He's on top of her in his dingy room on a bed and has a belt and spanking her robes and I look, they claimed it was consensual, but he was plucked off the show, pulled him off the show at the time. But robes that made him at excuse me, I shouldn't say a star, but it made him famous.
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Speaker 1: It elevated him, yes, which is so disturbing. So a video that one like that, where you think would destroy someone or cancel someone. No, it gave him a platform to showcase that very same thing. And the scary thing is that millions of young, disenfranchised young men said hell, yeah, I want some more of that.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, how much of that is just they're looking at it because it's extreme? You got to be extreme online these days? Or is I think it's more than that. I think folks would agree it's more than that. Roal. He's found an audience his messaging is working, and people are young men are liking what they're hearing and they want some of it or more of it. How many are they implementing it? Or is this just entertainment? Do young men no different, no better?
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Speaker 1: At a certain point, when do you know better? I mean you like I don't know you talk about you've joked about in a very different way that you didn't become emotionally intelligent until your mid thirties, right late late thirties. Okay, Well, these guys are thirty nine and thirty eight, but they're influencing young men. We're talking teenagers, men in their twenties, men who are searching and looking and look, when we see the volatility and the violence in the world, let's be honest, when we think about school shooters, when we think about terror attacks, we're talking about young men in their twenties. So this is a highly susceptible group of folks who are looking for leadership, looking for direction, and instead of getting it from maybe someone like their pastor or someone who they can look up to, who can lead them down the right path, these guys are exacting scary and massive and dangerous influence. And the fact that they're still I mean, I know right now they're behind bars, But my god, what took so long? If what they're being accused of is true, it is disgusting that they not only did, if they did it what they're accused of doing, but broadcasted to the world and wanted to teach other men to behave like they do. Yes, that is, and how is that possible?
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Speaker 2: They are entrepreneurs and rogues. It's why I always say, man, if there's so many people I see out there, criminals, wow, that is really impressive. If you were able to use your powers for good, my good, like there is. They built an empire. They built influence, Robes, and they have a voice in a worldwide conversation. And they built that from nothing. But they built it on porn. They actually built what was the article's name. They built an empire on abuse. They built an empire on abusing women. That is true, Robes, they made their initial fortune. This started what in the early twenty tens. They said, they started a porn business. And then when they were taking these young women, I say taking, but these women were on live webcam and they were being paid money. These guys built a fortune. Now, Robes you hear that, Okay, fine, you're not into porn, not yourself out, but you.
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Speaker 1: Understand if it's adult everywhere, it's all consensual.
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Speaker 2: But this now goes along Robes. It makes sense with so many of the chargers they're facing having to do with sex trafficking, with sex trafficking. Now they have faced sex trafficking charges from Romania to Britain. Now they're again arrested in the US to be sent back to Great Britain. But Robes, so many the allegations fall in line to make it seem like they have coursed and been influencing young women and do sex acts and porn without necessarily the women's understanding.
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Speaker 1: Course is the word the worst, and one as young as fifteen, I believe in one of the charges.
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Speaker 2: Because to have had sex with that fifteen years.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and look we're talking the recent round of charges. I believe the total count as of this recording that these two brothers are facing together fifty nine charges in Great Britain alone, in Great Britain alone in Romania. They haven't gotten their act together enough to actually formally charge them, but they were under suspicion. They were under house arrest oh, they charged them.
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Speaker 2: They were thrown out because because that was paperwork probably validated. Then they're going to go back and redo it. And then they were supposed to be stuck there, and that's where we get into some White House or administration connection. They were not even they weren't even supposed to leave Romania, and somebody swooped in and saved them. Will somebody that in just a second.
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Speaker 1: But we have to claim them because they actually have dual citizenship. Citizenship they are they were born here in America. They were raised mostly in England, correct outside of London, but they're American too, and so they were free to come here once Romania lifted that to your house arrest. I don't know if it was It wasn't a sentence, but it was some sort of country arrest.
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Speaker 2: They weren't supposed to travel.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but they got They made their way to Miami and that is where they have been arrested recently. But my god, what happens next is certainly going to be interesting because there are a lot of different possibilities.
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Speaker 2: They have always maintained, we'll say it again, maintained they are innocent of all charges they have faced around the world at this point denied them all but the late here and this is a long list. So what happened in the latest round here Robes and they're back in the US and the British want them back, but they have charged them now with a whole new slew And you always said that the big brother is the one that's kind of out front. He is facing some severe chargers were Robes, and they stack up much more severely and just in number, so much more than his brother.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to get your head around these charges. But we'll go over the latest ones right now. But in these incidents, as you mentioned, did start back in twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: Correct, twenty seventeen of his latest round.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Tait is now being charged with seven counts of rape, three counts of sex trafficking, three counts of assault, nineteen more charges relating to sexual images of children and extreme pornography. So we're talking about child porn now.
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Speaker 2: I was I told you I watched that video earlier. I was not brave enough to google what they meant because they put it in Brinth's extreme pornogat. Now what is that I did not google that one?
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Speaker 1: I don't want to google it either, but we can imagine, and I'm sure none of us actually want to have any of that in our head. Now, his brother, Tristan Tait, who again is a year younger, faces two new charges of rape, one count of sexual assault, and three counts of sex trafficking. But these are charges all in Great Britain.
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Speaker 2: And before these are the latest ones, Okay, before that, the ones that went back to twenty twelve to twenty fifteen, rape, bodily harm, human trafficking and controlling prostitution. That is where they now, with the combined robes, they have fifty nine charges between those two cases. This looks awful. They are innocent, we always say, Robes. I'll stop. They are innocent men until otherwise proven. But this stuff has been stacking up. It goes back to twenty ten. This is fifteen plus years that they have counts of rape, numbling it numbering in the double digits.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that does rival Jeffrey Epstein. That does rival some of the worst sexual predators in this world ever documented in history. And they profited off of it. They have a following because of it. That's what distinguishes this case, and that's what makes this to me so much more frightening than anything we've seen before because of the influence they've had and they are now as tell me know, if tell me, let me know if you think any differently. Are they being martyred here now that they're going to now be potentially facing all of these charges, going to be thrown in court, possibly thrown behind bars for the rest of their lives, will they be martyred? Will it almost enlivened their followers that they've amassed over these decades.
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Speaker 2: Martyred robes? So you made me immediately think to a what was it?
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Speaker 1: Was it?
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior? Eric Trump?
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Speaker 1: Well, Donald Trump Junior with.
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Speaker 2: The comment when they were in Romania, that tells you maybe all you need to know. Now we haven't heard anything new from the administration after this latest round of charges, but Romes there were times when they were being charged in Romania where which one was the.
00:19:13
Speaker 1: So Andrew Tate and Romania. By the way, we should mention what those charges were because they were specific as well correct. They had charges of coercion, coersing women in sex acts porn, accused of rape and having sex with the minor. That was Andrew with the fifteen year old.
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Speaker 2: That was all from Romania, and while he was being held in Romania not allowed to leave, he got words of support. Correct, that's no other way to interpret what that was. He said, I can't remember which son.
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Speaker 1: It was, it was it was Donald Trump Junior.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior spoke up in pretty definitive terms about what he thought about this guy being accused of rape, sex with the minor and coursing women into sex acts in pornography. His feeling was it's insane.
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Speaker 1: Was the word to use the fact that they were arrested and being charged was quote unquote by Donald Trump Junior, insanity. And that's what he tells you what you need to know. And there is concern. Now we've already seen folks wondering whether or not our Secretary of State Mark or Rubio will actually extradite these brothers. But look, there's a lot of questions about what sort of support they may or may not have from the Trump administration. It's been widely all the headlines suggests that the Tate brothers are huge supporters of Donald Trump and the Trump administration and have been supporters of his campaign. And you pointed this out earlier. If you look at who their followers are and who a lot of folks are within the MAGA community, the far right who are just vehemently in support of President Trump and his policies. There is overlap between those two slices of society. Is the best way for me to put it right? I mean, I'm trying to be as politically correct as I possible. Don't want to offend anybody because just because you're mega and just because you support Trump doesn't mean that you are a part of the Manosphere or you in any way condone what these brothers have been putting out there.
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Speaker 2: That is true.
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Speaker 1: That's and I want to make sure we point that out.
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Speaker 2: Also, just because you're a member of this Manosphere thing doesn't mean you're a member of MAGA. So we don't want to offend anybody crew.
00:21:21
Speaker 1: That's wow. I hadn't even thought about it from that perspective, But okay, now that you can point that out, fair.
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Speaker 2: We don't offend anybody. But yes, your point, they became a big deal because when you have, like you said, Robes, they have that much influence over that particular group. Tucker Carlson flew to Romania to interview this guy, Candice Owens flew to Romania to interview this guy they wanted to when they were in the midst of all these charges, with all this going on. Robes and that Tucker Carlson interview, I think it got a hundred million views. Probably did think it did.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: And that's why he went over there to interview them, and that's why Candice Owens went over there to interview them.
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Speaker 2: That's the thing that is why they're influential because you've got folks clamoring to be a part of that community. They want access to who these guys have, so that, yes, does make folks like Donald Trump Junior look at this maybe differently. There are plenty of reports. New York Times has done some reporting about a relationship that Andrew Tate has with Baron Trump, of all people, who was a fan of Andrew Tates, and they have actually been on facetimes together ropes. So how just how big and significant that relationship is we don't know. However, we have gotten some significant, big time reporting from the New York Times about that relationship and the fact that maybe the Tate brothers would not even be out of Romania had it not been for President Donald Trump, and.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: We continue our conversation about Andrew and Tristan Tate, two names that I frankly did not know up until recent headlines. And man, I wish I had known about them soon or this is the kind of story. These are the type of influencers that are dangerous that we all, especially us women and especially folks raising young women, need to know and understand and be aware of. That's where I am actually angry at myself as a parent to not even recognize, Yes, we know this stuff is out there, but I didn't know to what extent. I didn't know that power these brothers had, the influence these brothers had, and the fact that they've been allowed to continue to operate for decades upon decades. And yes, they haven't been convicted of their crimes, but we can convict them on their words, and we can convict them on what we've heard directly from them, what we've seen from them, what they've bragged about, and what they've tried to convince other men to go out and do and become and behave. That's a problem that we can condemn because we've seen it. This isn't We don't need a courtroom. We don't need a set of jurors to determine that these folks are guilty of spreading hate and of inciting dangerous acts against women.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, how are you? How are we? How is anybody gonna convince his ten point eight million followers on X that what you're saying is right and not what he's saying. I say that somewhat sarcastically, but that's the challenge, Robes. If you have he's got an army to think that anybody is like it would be a follower of these things. Women belong to.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: Men, and that is absolutely what he says.
00:24:50
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, how can I go to if any one of those ten point eight million believe that? I don't even know where to start. I don't know how to start.
00:25:00
Speaker 1: They's overwhelming. Look, and it's so interesting when I say it, because I keep seeing like social media influencers. Don't you think of just like fun girls taking selfies and showing you the best beauty products out there? I don't think of someone encouraging and listing how to make control women, basically control women to do whatever it is that you want them to do, because it's your right as a man. I don't know how to counter that, because if you give someone power who feels powerless, that's intoxicating as hell. And you're telling them it's their right, it's their natural born right. And then what the rest of the world, all these what do they call it, guyno something, all these feminazis out there, all these women want to tell you otherwise. Will We're here to re empower you, to put you in your rightful place, to put you on the throne you deserve. That is hard to combat when someone's giving you that and telling you you deserve it, and you were born into that right.
00:26:00
Speaker 2: So where you want to start, Like, where do we even start?
00:26:04
Speaker 1: We'll add the trumps to the situation.
00:26:06
Speaker 2: And it's my pulsation, I just where do you start? Because yes, the administration, even I guess we should go, in particular with the with the Defense Department Roy, they promote this uber masculine broie we will blow shit up attitude. I'm not making that up. And that is not a that's not a criticism. That's just a statement of fact of how they've gone about promoting. And yes, this whole idea estrogen, estrogen, testosterone testing, don't.
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Get that mixed up man woo. That probably discussing you must have low t just the fact that your brain can tell your mouth to say that.
00:26:42
Speaker 2: Right, I need to go in for some testing one about forty eight now. But ro just that idea that you that is literally telling men you're not man enough to be in the military. This is what we do now. So these guys have a platform. So if that's coming from the administration, we shouldn't be surprised, Robes that the administration seemed to have an interest in the Tate Brothers Romania. People can't figure it out for the life of them. How these dudes left Romania. They were there. They were supposed to be under like you said, house arrest of some kind. But they weren't supposed to leave the country. They weren't supposed to be able to travel. Lo and behold, they made their way.
00:27:20
Speaker 1: To Florida private jet.
00:27:22
Speaker 2: Yes, when did they land this year? They got there when it was this year? Right, it was last year.
00:27:29
Speaker 1: It was either late last year or early this year.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: Just got back to the US and Robes they there is reporting by the New York Times. They did an extensive article about the connection between the Trump administration and the Tate brothers, and absolutely, they say prosecutors over in Romania are pissed that this was a diplomatic intervention the likes of which we should not be seeing. And it was scary to think that these two that the President of the United States, So the administration is the accusation, stepped in and convinced the romaaning inferior officials to lift that ban on the travel, and as soon as they did, they got the hell out of there. They have text messages robes. The New York Times reporting that show Andrew Tate texting someone don't know who's on the other end, saying I'll be out soon. The Trump administration is on top of it. Another one. We're saying, yeah, I think it'll be fine. It's just Trump needs to see us in Miami. Robes. He's texting this to people who never thinking this is going to get out Robes. It is scary to watch what is happening right now with these guys. And the scariest part, whatever happened, I mean they have according to these indicted robes, they have victims upon victims all over the world. It appears at this point, absolutely so whatever happens to them is one thing. But I do think Robes they are giving us something very important and sounding alarm bells. We have got to pay attention to these tape brothers and what they represent.
00:29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you've said this. When it comes to racism, it's you know, the overt racists are one thing, and we have to deal with them because they do spawn so much hate. And then it's the it's the covert ones that are even scarier. But when you have overt overt racism and that's not even corrected, and you and this is misogyny, but it's also racism. Correct this is all about white male dominant.
00:29:37
Speaker 2: Oh there's some anti Semitic stuff thrown in there as well, because.
00:29:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out, yes, it's mostly against women, but it also is absolutely being deemed as racist, misogynists, you name it. It's basically, if you weren't white, and you aren't a male, you should have no say because they are the superior beings period.
00:29:55
Speaker 2: And if you're not rich, don't have a great car, don't have a good body, right, they're just promoting this thing. And so for me, ro I understand what you're saying. You when you said embarrassed, I was alarmed, Like, I didn't know this stuff is going on. We see their names in the headline. We've covered their names and headlines a couple of times. Robes. I did not know this is a thing. Ropes a big thing. So I'm thinking about a seventeen year old boy, a fifteen year old boy, a middle school or a college junior, looking for identity, looking to be strong, looking to be a man. We were talking about this the other day, Rose about how in the dating shows, men don't know how to react when their feelings get hurt, their hearts get broken, because they lash out. That's how we're trained to do. We are being They're being trained in a way I didn't even know is out there.
00:30:45
Speaker 1: You know, it's so frightening because I just think about all of these millions of followers who we don't know who they are. But what happens when the next time a girl rejects them? What happens when the next time a woman makes him feel stupid? You know, like you've talked talked about extensively, that men don't have necessarily or aren't given the tools necessarily to emotionally and maturely react to things. This takes things to a whole other level that is frightening beyond belief. And then to think that it has ties to some of the policy or at least the mindset has ties to some of the policy changes we're seeing in this administration. It's something we all need to be paying attention to as fathers, as mothers, as humans, that women shouldn't just be upset about this. Men, the men who love them, should be upset about this. This is disturbing and alarming, and in a way, I'm so grateful that this is coming out now. Should I can be more aware of it, because yes, we've heard manosphere, and I've heard toxic masculinity and hyper masculinism, and I've heard all of these phrases and we've done podcasts on them. I haven't thought of them as something inherently dangerous to the point where women's lives are at stake. And it does feel like this when you start to read the scope of this, what they've been putting out there, as long as they've been putting out there, and the support they've been getting along the way, this is beyond frightening.
00:32:21
Speaker 2: Is there any parent that would want their young child must go a young man, young boy to follow a guy who calls himself the king of toxic masculinity. Is there any way you would say to your son, Yeah, that's cool. This is what the guy calls himself. He calls himself a misogynist. There is no way. I don't need to look into that person's background before I know that's not somebody you want your young man growing up to be like So Robes, this is a warning that needs to be passed along. Yes, young women, but first and foremost to young men.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: You are correct.
00:33:05
Speaker 2: Watch out for this. This is not manliness, This is not masculinity. This is not manhood. This is bullshit that gets promoted and pushed. Maybe Robes he just started out because he wanted to build a following. Who knows if he's just playing a character, Robes, or if this is who he is. But some of these allegations, Robes, somebody's been saying the same thing about him for twenty years. It's hard to believe that that's just a coincidence. Robes. There is a consistency in what people have been saying about these two for damn near twenty eight.
00:33:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when someone shows you who they are and tells you who they are. This isn't even about somebody John to say, he's not what it seems or it appears. No, he's doubling down and saying that's exactly who I am. And I like what you just said. Yes, I guess I was internalizing it, thinking mothers need to be aware. Women need to be aware, but my god fathers need to be aware. And we all need to be talking to our young men and making sure they're not being unduly influenced by people who are putting out this kind of thing.
00:34:14
Speaker 2: All right, well, folks, we'll continue to educate ourselves. But yes, we have to admit this is not one just the details and just how widespread this stuff is. It's not something we were up on as much as we are now. But we always appreciate you spending a little time with us. Talk soon,