May 8, 2026
“Holiest Man Alive” Going To Prison After Decades of Shocking Abuse
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RSS Feed 70-year-old former revered spiritual leader Daniel Savala pleaded guilty Thursday for a “pattern of sexual exploitation involving multiple victims over time.” A number of his victims crowded the courtroom yesterday to give victim impact statements. Savala is accused of grooming and abusing boys and young men beginning in the 1990s, using scripture to convince his victims to undress, saying “nudity is unity.” What’s even more disturbing about this story, church pastors continued to send children to Savala’s home for guidance even after he was convicted for child sex abuse in 2012.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, May eighth, and he is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. But a lot of questions still remain about how a man who was in a position of power on a college campus was able to get away with sexually abusing boys and young men for decades. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rhobes. It seems like this is one of those stories, right when I think about the Michigan State Doctor with these stories where these monsters, if you will, are in these positions and it goes on for decades, and then we wonder, well, how did this get get missed? This one is another just mind blowing story.
00:00:45
Speaker 2: This one is beyond anything I have ever seen before. This man's seventy year old Daniel Savalla was duped the holiest man alive. Truly, he was a revered spirit, virtual figure. People called him Papa Daniel and literally called him the holiest man alive to his face. And yeah, he was there at sam Houston State University beginning in the nineties. He began the Chai Alpha group there on campus.
00:01:15
Speaker 3: I had to look up and find out what Kayafa was. Were you familiar with this group.
00:01:19
Speaker 1: No, I've not even sure if I'd heard their name before.
00:01:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:01:22
Speaker 2: So they are basically a nationwide campus ministries group. You'll find these chapters on a lot of college campuses throughout this country. And he became basically the spiritual figure representing this chapter and had access not only to college students, but to some folks children. They people brought their children to him for guidance and allowed him to minister them. But that is not what he was doing now, according to his convictions and to his dozens and dozens accusers.
00:02:00
Speaker 1: So this was yesterday, right, he was in court that all this went down. Rose. But he is a chi Alpha, is affiliated with the Pentecostal Church, correct Assemblies of God, I think is what it is and robes. A lot of questions are going to be for them and for the university. But this was not just some thing. This was not just some random little group on campus. This is something that built and grew, that he built up, that he was considered the man at the center of that. He was there, I guess, their holy centerpiece if you will. He was their leader. Yes, in that spot. He sent other people just out to start chapters. This guy had an incredible reach for a long time. So we're trying to give that perspective about just how devastating the story is.
00:02:45
Speaker 2: It's hard to get your head around how other pastors within the Assemblies of God looked at this man, Daniel Savalla, as this supreme spiritual authority.
00:02:58
Speaker 3: That's how they're describing him.
00:03:00
Speaker 2: He was somebody who emphasized and this is where maybe a red flag should be placed up for anyone who emphasizes unquestioned obedience to spiritual leaders. That was part of his message. And this is what is so deeply concerning some of these leaders. Some of these pastors, as I mentioned, sent their own sons and that's what this one case centered around, that he was in court for yesterday, sent their own sons to his home for guidance. And I say, why would that be shocking If he was so revered and he was such a spiritual leader that people looked up to that they considered him the holiest man alive. This was a man who had a twenty twelve child sex abuse conviction in Alaska that the leaders knew about and didn't just know about, but rallied to his defense, paid his bond, paid for his lawyer and watched him plead guilty and serve a short jail sentence, and they still then allowed him to resume his mentoring and his practices even after that conviction.
00:04:07
Speaker 3: How do you get your head around that?
00:04:09
Speaker 1: I mean that they made choices and we do not understand why, and somebody's going to have to answer that question. That conviction, for remind me, Robes in twenty twelve had to do with something though that happened in the nineties. Correct, Okay, so I was doing that to set up this dude has been watched and people have been aware of him for decades. So you go back that far Robes, and you consider, like, how many there possibly could be, how many possible victims along the way. But yes, Robes, why is it even when they found out about they could have done all kinds of stuff, just said, nope, we're not going to let you work here if you're guilty not We just don't want to take that risk of putting you around young men. And you are being accused of doing something to young men. Why would you do that?
00:04:57
Speaker 2: It's wild to me to think because it was that he just convinced one adult, He convinced many many adults that he was holier than them, that he had guidance that exceeded their knowledge, and he was able to convince grown adults of this.
00:05:17
Speaker 3: Imagine what he convinced young children of.
00:05:19
Speaker 2: And we started to hear some of those details, and it came out in court yesterday, and this is just a remarkable story. So he pleaded guilty yesterday Thursday to charges that he sexually abused two young boys, and he negotiated his plea agreement. He was sentenced to thirty years in prison without the possibility of parole. Given the fact that he's seventy, he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. He showed no emotion during the court proceedings. But this case that he was pleaded guilty to is just particularly difficult to get to understand or just to hear the details.
00:05:55
Speaker 1: So I'll look it up here. Do you have the charge in front of you. There was some weird charge that is what you get charged with if it's a collection. It was a trafficking persons. There were some specific charge that they mentioned that I hadn't heard of. But it's the thing you put in there when there are so many victims, when you're accused of essentially being a groomer over time, and I had just not heard of it before. That's why I'm sorry I'm asking you about it now. Yeah, on the spot. But it was interesting that even hearing the charge helped you understand just the depth and breath of this case.
00:06:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:06:37
Speaker 2: So he admitted to one count of continuous trafficking of persons. It's a felony charge for offenders who engage in a pattern of sexual exploitation involving multiple victims over time.
00:06:52
Speaker 1: Wow, that kind of just explains the case. I've never I hadn't seen that charge that you applied was an individual, individual individual, I'd not seen that before. I just that helped bring the story, Oh.
00:07:05
Speaker 2: The scope and the breadth of what he has been convicted of in a sense, because yes, he pleaded guilty to it. But part of these charges stemmed around one of the more recent accusations. He built his ministry around his backyard sauna. If that isn't a red flag, I don't know what is.
00:07:25
Speaker 1: This is nothing else? What are we talking about?
00:07:28
Speaker 2: That he brings young boys to his backyard where he has a sauna, and then he invoked scripture to persuade these boys and these young men to undress and get into the sauna with him. His phrase was, nudity is unity. Okay, and so a pastor from Waco, So here's the deal. These Assembly of God, different franchises and churches, they would bring their sons, their children, maybe parishioners to his home to be guided. This pastor from Waco brought his own sons, ages eleven and twelve, beginning.
00:08:08
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one. Because it didn't just happen once.
00:08:11
Speaker 2: This happened multiple multiple times where the boys were instructed to undress in Savala's sauna and then he sexually abused him them excuse me, And according to authorities, the father was present and there is now a criminal case against the boy's father that is pending as well. Wanted to point that out, but this is just a recent example, and this is just beyond the.
00:08:34
Speaker 3: Pale, Like, how is this? How were people?
00:08:38
Speaker 2: How are adults convinced that this was godlike, that this was sanctioned by God, that this was allowed?
00:08:46
Speaker 1: And okay, I didn't see are there I know this one father here is facing charges, but are there is there talk that there were many more? This was an outlier if you will as far as a parent.
00:08:59
Speaker 2: Not sure what any other parents being accused, but there are certainly other potential criminal charges.
00:09:05
Speaker 3: Because this was not just Yes, of course this man was now.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: I mean when you look and you hear, and you read and you see what he did over decades, he is truly a monster. But this was a system that allowed this monster to perpetate, sorry, perpetuate his crimes. I mean, he didn't do this alone. He did this with the support and the knowledge of a lot of people. So it will be interesting to see if there are other charges against other people beyond just this father. We know that's one of them. But I believe this is a much larger investigation that is ongoing.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: So they bead lawsuits.
00:09:42
Speaker 2: Yes, there are lawsuits already now pending in several of these cases. Now, when we come back, want to talk about what happened in court yesterday, because yes, he pleaded guilty, Yes he was sentenced, but there was the opportunity for so many of his alleged victims to step forward and give victim impact statements in some of them.
00:10:05
Speaker 3: Whoo, they were powerful.
00:10:08
Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about seventy year old Daniel Savalla, also known as the holiest man alive by his followers. He has been sentenced essentially for the rest of his life after pleading guilty to a felony charge that basically said, yeah, you've spent decades harming, sexually abusing young men and boys, and you are now going to prison for the rest of your life. And we got to hear in court yesterday from some of those young men. Not only were their accusers and victims, but there were whistleblowers along the way to and many of these folks attended that hearing yesterday, and they talk about how important this conviction was because there were so many ignored warnings. There were so many of these young men asking for help. They actually had to create a website and a forum that eventually led to criminal charges where someone would pay attention to what these boys were saying.
00:11:19
Speaker 1: Did I see right that that is the thing that they're pointing to a website? Yes, that gave them space to speak. And then we see this oftentimes with these cases where one of the times a woman comes forward and all of a sudden, another woman, Oh wow, that was my experience, and it becomes a thing.
00:11:33
Speaker 3: Yep, it's too.
00:11:34
Speaker 1: Bad that that's what it took. But I don't know if it doesn't have anything to do with because it was young men. Because I mean some of these college age young men that we look at it differently and not take them seriously, or they were afraid to even come forward.
00:11:48
Speaker 3: They're too embarrassed to step forward.
00:11:50
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of young men who've been abused by another man. Maybe you know obviously so many of these men were just in there now men, I say, but they were boys the time. That might make them feel like some of their friend's family would think they're gay. Like there's so many implications why perhaps a young man would feel even more concerned or weary about stepping forward than maybe even a young girl, if that makes any sense. But one of there were a couple victim impact statements that really ooh reached me. But Joseph Cleveland, he says he was groomed and sexually abused by Savallah for a decade beginning when he was fifteen years old, and he gave his victim impact statement through tears, he was literally choking back tears.
00:12:37
Speaker 3: He called him a deceitful, evil predator.
00:12:41
Speaker 2: But this sentence. Ooh, this have chills reading it. He said, you are not the holiest man alive. You are not a guru, you are not even a man of God. You're a charlatan.
00:12:57
Speaker 1: How is this?
00:12:58
Speaker 2: I know, well he's this happened in two thousand and four. It began when he was fifteen, so we could do the.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: Math twenty years old.
00:13:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the mid thirties, thirties now, and he was able to look this man in the face who abused him for a decade from fifteen to twenty five.
00:13:15
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of kids out there like that, young men out there right now who have been impacted in ways they might not even understand. But just the guy had a type of influence and reach we didn't understand. Obviously, we didn't know who he was. But to think that a guy built himself up to be that important, that worshiped to a certain degree by people who kept quiet for decades about just atrocities he was committing. I don't know how it happens. We've seen it happen in various ways. Is one thing when you go to a doctor Robes and I just think about the Michigan State guy again, right, he's in that position of power. You're sent there, you're supposed to trust. This guy built up some kind of way of following and a trust. People had options in not trusting him, and he had to gain that in such a way that is kind of incredible. It's possible. And do I have right? He was not officially a trained and member ordained by the Pentecostal.
00:14:20
Speaker 2: Churchy that's the other crazy thing about this. Yes, he was not ordained. He didn't have any official training. I do believe that many of these folks and these other pastors believed he was I don't want to go so far as to say a prophet of God, but they certainly believed in some sort of connection he had with God that superseded the rest of them. And so for that reason, however, he was able to convince them. They gave him their trust and their most precious gifts, their children, which is just hard to imagine.
00:14:56
Speaker 3: But he convinced students.
00:14:58
Speaker 2: Now that these victims of all shared stories and shared experiences, they all say that he was able to convince them that the sexual acts he was asking them to do and that he was performing on them were a part of God's will. And he used the scripture to defend what he was doing to them. And look, you've got young kids who just are easily convinced or malleable, and they think they're doing what they're supposed to do, and it's led to a life of I mean, there were victims who spoke about having nightmares, waking up in the middle of the night, never trusting anyone. These are lifelong wounds that will never fully go away for these young men.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: I think that's roads. He quite literally used the word of God to sexually abuse boys. Yes, that's some Look, even if you're not a believer, you God can't feel good about that, no.
00:15:56
Speaker 2: And I think that's why when you have that one and calling him a deceitful, evil predator.
00:16:02
Speaker 3: There's really no other way to put it.
00:16:04
Speaker 2: There were at least eight other accusers in that room now, and by the way, that's where the lawsuits and there are criminal filings. There is more to come in this case. The good news is and the district attorney in this case said, here's the deal. He is never ever going to get out of prison, and thank God for that. But we just want to hop on and let you know what happened. In that courtroom yesterday. Certainly, it's always important for these stories to get out so that people remember that there are evil people in the world and that part of their ability to do what they do is that people turned to blind eye or they made excuses, and we should believe people when they show us who they are. All Right with that, everyone, thank you for listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
00:16:47
Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, May eighth, and he is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. But a lot of questions still remain about how a man who was in a position of power on a college campus was able to get away with sexually abusing boys and young men for decades. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rhobes. It seems like this is one of those stories, right when I think about the Michigan State Doctor with these stories where these monsters, if you will, are in these positions and it goes on for decades, and then we wonder, well, how did this get get missed? This one is another just mind blowing story.
00:00:45
Speaker 2: This one is beyond anything I have ever seen before. This man's seventy year old Daniel Savalla was duped the holiest man alive. Truly, he was a revered spirit, virtual figure. People called him Papa Daniel and literally called him the holiest man alive to his face. And yeah, he was there at sam Houston State University beginning in the nineties. He began the Chai Alpha group there on campus.
00:01:15
Speaker 3: I had to look up and find out what Kayafa was. Were you familiar with this group.
00:01:19
Speaker 1: No, I've not even sure if I'd heard their name before.
00:01:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:01:22
Speaker 2: So they are basically a nationwide campus ministries group. You'll find these chapters on a lot of college campuses throughout this country. And he became basically the spiritual figure representing this chapter and had access not only to college students, but to some folks children. They people brought their children to him for guidance and allowed him to minister them. But that is not what he was doing now, according to his convictions and to his dozens and dozens accusers.
00:02:00
Speaker 1: So this was yesterday, right, he was in court that all this went down. Rose. But he is a chi Alpha, is affiliated with the Pentecostal Church, correct Assemblies of God, I think is what it is and robes. A lot of questions are going to be for them and for the university. But this was not just some thing. This was not just some random little group on campus. This is something that built and grew, that he built up, that he was considered the man at the center of that. He was there, I guess, their holy centerpiece if you will. He was their leader. Yes, in that spot. He sent other people just out to start chapters. This guy had an incredible reach for a long time. So we're trying to give that perspective about just how devastating the story is.
00:02:45
Speaker 2: It's hard to get your head around how other pastors within the Assemblies of God looked at this man, Daniel Savalla, as this supreme spiritual authority.
00:02:58
Speaker 3: That's how they're describing him.
00:03:00
Speaker 2: He was somebody who emphasized and this is where maybe a red flag should be placed up for anyone who emphasizes unquestioned obedience to spiritual leaders. That was part of his message. And this is what is so deeply concerning some of these leaders. Some of these pastors, as I mentioned, sent their own sons and that's what this one case centered around, that he was in court for yesterday, sent their own sons to his home for guidance. And I say, why would that be shocking If he was so revered and he was such a spiritual leader that people looked up to that they considered him the holiest man alive. This was a man who had a twenty twelve child sex abuse conviction in Alaska that the leaders knew about and didn't just know about, but rallied to his defense, paid his bond, paid for his lawyer and watched him plead guilty and serve a short jail sentence, and they still then allowed him to resume his mentoring and his practices even after that conviction.
00:04:07
Speaker 3: How do you get your head around that?
00:04:09
Speaker 1: I mean that they made choices and we do not understand why, and somebody's going to have to answer that question. That conviction, for remind me, Robes in twenty twelve had to do with something though that happened in the nineties. Correct, Okay, so I was doing that to set up this dude has been watched and people have been aware of him for decades. So you go back that far Robes, and you consider, like, how many there possibly could be, how many possible victims along the way. But yes, Robes, why is it even when they found out about they could have done all kinds of stuff, just said, nope, we're not going to let you work here if you're guilty not We just don't want to take that risk of putting you around young men. And you are being accused of doing something to young men. Why would you do that?
00:04:57
Speaker 2: It's wild to me to think because it was that he just convinced one adult, He convinced many many adults that he was holier than them, that he had guidance that exceeded their knowledge, and he was able to convince grown adults of this.
00:05:17
Speaker 3: Imagine what he convinced young children of.
00:05:19
Speaker 2: And we started to hear some of those details, and it came out in court yesterday, and this is just a remarkable story. So he pleaded guilty yesterday Thursday to charges that he sexually abused two young boys, and he negotiated his plea agreement. He was sentenced to thirty years in prison without the possibility of parole. Given the fact that he's seventy, he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. He showed no emotion during the court proceedings. But this case that he was pleaded guilty to is just particularly difficult to get to understand or just to hear the details.
00:05:55
Speaker 1: So I'll look it up here. Do you have the charge in front of you. There was some weird charge that is what you get charged with if it's a collection. It was a trafficking persons. There were some specific charge that they mentioned that I hadn't heard of. But it's the thing you put in there when there are so many victims, when you're accused of essentially being a groomer over time, and I had just not heard of it before. That's why I'm sorry I'm asking you about it now. Yeah, on the spot. But it was interesting that even hearing the charge helped you understand just the depth and breath of this case.
00:06:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:06:37
Speaker 2: So he admitted to one count of continuous trafficking of persons. It's a felony charge for offenders who engage in a pattern of sexual exploitation involving multiple victims over time.
00:06:52
Speaker 1: Wow, that kind of just explains the case. I've never I hadn't seen that charge that you applied was an individual, individual individual, I'd not seen that before. I just that helped bring the story, Oh.
00:07:05
Speaker 2: The scope and the breadth of what he has been convicted of in a sense, because yes, he pleaded guilty to it. But part of these charges stemmed around one of the more recent accusations. He built his ministry around his backyard sauna. If that isn't a red flag, I don't know what is.
00:07:25
Speaker 1: This is nothing else? What are we talking about?
00:07:28
Speaker 2: That he brings young boys to his backyard where he has a sauna, and then he invoked scripture to persuade these boys and these young men to undress and get into the sauna with him. His phrase was, nudity is unity. Okay, and so a pastor from Waco, So here's the deal. These Assembly of God, different franchises and churches, they would bring their sons, their children, maybe parishioners to his home to be guided. This pastor from Waco brought his own sons, ages eleven and twelve, beginning.
00:08:08
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one. Because it didn't just happen once.
00:08:11
Speaker 2: This happened multiple multiple times where the boys were instructed to undress in Savala's sauna and then he sexually abused him them excuse me, And according to authorities, the father was present and there is now a criminal case against the boy's father that is pending as well. Wanted to point that out, but this is just a recent example, and this is just beyond the.
00:08:34
Speaker 3: Pale, Like, how is this? How were people?
00:08:38
Speaker 2: How are adults convinced that this was godlike, that this was sanctioned by God, that this was allowed?
00:08:46
Speaker 1: And okay, I didn't see are there I know this one father here is facing charges, but are there is there talk that there were many more? This was an outlier if you will as far as a parent.
00:08:59
Speaker 2: Not sure what any other parents being accused, but there are certainly other potential criminal charges.
00:09:05
Speaker 3: Because this was not just Yes, of course this man was now.
00:09:10
Speaker 2: I mean when you look and you hear, and you read and you see what he did over decades, he is truly a monster. But this was a system that allowed this monster to perpetate, sorry, perpetuate his crimes. I mean, he didn't do this alone. He did this with the support and the knowledge of a lot of people. So it will be interesting to see if there are other charges against other people beyond just this father. We know that's one of them. But I believe this is a much larger investigation that is ongoing.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: So they bead lawsuits.
00:09:42
Speaker 2: Yes, there are lawsuits already now pending in several of these cases. Now, when we come back, want to talk about what happened in court yesterday, because yes, he pleaded guilty, Yes he was sentenced, but there was the opportunity for so many of his alleged victims to step forward and give victim impact statements in some of them.
00:10:05
Speaker 3: Whoo, they were powerful.
00:10:08
Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about seventy year old Daniel Savalla, also known as the holiest man alive by his followers. He has been sentenced essentially for the rest of his life after pleading guilty to a felony charge that basically said, yeah, you've spent decades harming, sexually abusing young men and boys, and you are now going to prison for the rest of your life. And we got to hear in court yesterday from some of those young men. Not only were their accusers and victims, but there were whistleblowers along the way to and many of these folks attended that hearing yesterday, and they talk about how important this conviction was because there were so many ignored warnings. There were so many of these young men asking for help. They actually had to create a website and a forum that eventually led to criminal charges where someone would pay attention to what these boys were saying.
00:11:19
Speaker 1: Did I see right that that is the thing that they're pointing to a website? Yes, that gave them space to speak. And then we see this oftentimes with these cases where one of the times a woman comes forward and all of a sudden, another woman, Oh wow, that was my experience, and it becomes a thing.
00:11:33
Speaker 3: Yep, it's too.
00:11:34
Speaker 1: Bad that that's what it took. But I don't know if it doesn't have anything to do with because it was young men. Because I mean some of these college age young men that we look at it differently and not take them seriously, or they were afraid to even come forward.
00:11:48
Speaker 3: They're too embarrassed to step forward.
00:11:50
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of young men who've been abused by another man. Maybe you know obviously so many of these men were just in there now men, I say, but they were boys the time. That might make them feel like some of their friend's family would think they're gay. Like there's so many implications why perhaps a young man would feel even more concerned or weary about stepping forward than maybe even a young girl, if that makes any sense. But one of there were a couple victim impact statements that really ooh reached me. But Joseph Cleveland, he says he was groomed and sexually abused by Savallah for a decade beginning when he was fifteen years old, and he gave his victim impact statement through tears, he was literally choking back tears.
00:12:37
Speaker 3: He called him a deceitful, evil predator.
00:12:41
Speaker 2: But this sentence. Ooh, this have chills reading it. He said, you are not the holiest man alive. You are not a guru, you are not even a man of God. You're a charlatan.
00:12:57
Speaker 1: How is this?
00:12:58
Speaker 2: I know, well he's this happened in two thousand and four. It began when he was fifteen, so we could do the.
00:13:03
Speaker 1: Math twenty years old.
00:13:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the mid thirties, thirties now, and he was able to look this man in the face who abused him for a decade from fifteen to twenty five.
00:13:15
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of kids out there like that, young men out there right now who have been impacted in ways they might not even understand. But just the guy had a type of influence and reach we didn't understand. Obviously, we didn't know who he was. But to think that a guy built himself up to be that important, that worshiped to a certain degree by people who kept quiet for decades about just atrocities he was committing. I don't know how it happens. We've seen it happen in various ways. Is one thing when you go to a doctor Robes and I just think about the Michigan State guy again, right, he's in that position of power. You're sent there, you're supposed to trust. This guy built up some kind of way of following and a trust. People had options in not trusting him, and he had to gain that in such a way that is kind of incredible. It's possible. And do I have right? He was not officially a trained and member ordained by the Pentecostal.
00:14:20
Speaker 2: Churchy that's the other crazy thing about this. Yes, he was not ordained. He didn't have any official training. I do believe that many of these folks and these other pastors believed he was I don't want to go so far as to say a prophet of God, but they certainly believed in some sort of connection he had with God that superseded the rest of them. And so for that reason, however, he was able to convince them. They gave him their trust and their most precious gifts, their children, which is just hard to imagine.
00:14:56
Speaker 3: But he convinced students.
00:14:58
Speaker 2: Now that these victims of all shared stories and shared experiences, they all say that he was able to convince them that the sexual acts he was asking them to do and that he was performing on them were a part of God's will. And he used the scripture to defend what he was doing to them. And look, you've got young kids who just are easily convinced or malleable, and they think they're doing what they're supposed to do, and it's led to a life of I mean, there were victims who spoke about having nightmares, waking up in the middle of the night, never trusting anyone. These are lifelong wounds that will never fully go away for these young men.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: I think that's roads. He quite literally used the word of God to sexually abuse boys. Yes, that's some Look, even if you're not a believer, you God can't feel good about that, no.
00:15:56
Speaker 2: And I think that's why when you have that one and calling him a deceitful, evil predator.
00:16:02
Speaker 3: There's really no other way to put it.
00:16:04
Speaker 2: There were at least eight other accusers in that room now, and by the way, that's where the lawsuits and there are criminal filings. There is more to come in this case. The good news is and the district attorney in this case said, here's the deal. He is never ever going to get out of prison, and thank God for that. But we just want to hop on and let you know what happened. In that courtroom yesterday. Certainly, it's always important for these stories to get out so that people remember that there are evil people in the world and that part of their ability to do what they do is that people turned to blind eye or they made excuses, and we should believe people when they show us who they are. All Right with that, everyone, thank you for listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
00:16:47
Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.