March 3, 2026
Hillary Pounds The Table. Bill Keeps His Cool. In 9 hours of Almost Nothing.
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RSS Feed The videos of Bill and Hillary Clinton testifying before the House committee investigating Jeffery Epstein were released late yesterday. Most media outlets are playing the moment Hillary Clinton loses her cool, pounds the table and leaves her seat after finding out Congresswoman Lauren Boebert secretly took her picture and posted it online. But the remainder of the depositions show the Clinton’s answering repeated questions ranging from relevant to absurd and to insulting at times. We learn how Bill Clinton met Epstein , how Clinton explains the hot tub photo released in the files, and whether he thinks Donald Trump should testify. His answer may surprise you.
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00:00:11
Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Tuesday, March third. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are all waking up talking about the Clinton tapes. Yes, those nine hours of testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton in front of that House committee talking about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Those videos have been released.
00:00:34
Speaker 1: And the big headline everyone is focused on, because the video is probably the most exciting out of all the nine hours that journalists have been pouring over, is Hillary Clinton losing her cool. I wouldn't call it unhinged as we heard it described, but she did get visibly frustrated multiple times, answering the same questions over and over.
00:00:57
Speaker 3: Do you call it visibly? I call it justifiably alutely she's in this and all this set up. Look, she had every right to do more than she did. She should have stormed out of that. She'd have flipped the table over and I would have said, Okay, I know a lot of people on the other side. This is Hillary Clinton. This is typical she's up there line. This is just doing that's the line. But folks, this was supposed to be something fair that was negotiated. We heard about this moment. We're seeing it on video, and quite frankly, it's not a whole lot that came out of this. So I think a lot of people are focusing on that.
00:01:27
Speaker 1: Thing exactly, and the point being, this is supposed to be information gathering, This is supposed to shed light on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And truly it was what the Clintons thought it was going to be, and I think what most people will acknowledge it was when they see these videos. This was about political theater and nothing else. This wasn't about getting to the bottom of it.
00:01:51
Speaker 2: I did think it was.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: Interesting though, that Bill Clinton when he got up there and testified. Yes, he reiterated that Hillary should not have been subpoena period, but he said that he understood why he was called a testify. He said, I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him, and you have a right to ask those questions. I thought that was extremely an exceptionally fair of the former president.
00:02:15
Speaker 3: It makes sense. Yes, I knew the guy, she didn't. Yeah, he made that mentioning look. Plenty of folks on both sides came out and were complimentary to him for showing up and answering every question.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we'll begin with Hillary Clinton's testimony.
00:02:30
Speaker 2: She went up first, and certainly that is the video though.
00:02:33
Speaker 1: That is what you're going to be seeing when you turn on the television today or you go online.
00:02:38
Speaker 2: It's going to be Hillary.
00:02:38
Speaker 1: Clinton getting frustrated multiple times, and they kept asking her about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was was that a tactic on their part because she has made it very clear multiple times she said, I am so tired of answering that question. If you have won scintilla of evidence to the contrary, put it forward. I've never been to his island, period. I have never been in his homes, his office, is his anything. I don't know how many times you have to say the same thing over and over and over again.
00:03:11
Speaker 3: This is all just a waste of time. She didn't say anything that all of them didn't know already going in. It only takes one of them on a thirty member committee, thirty plus member committee, only one needs to ask that question. They didn't have anything to ask. They ran out of things. That's fine, but she didn't say anything new. She certainly didn't. Bill Clinton might have given some insights that we didn't know. But Hillary Clinton, it's just it feels. I didn't even call it political theater. There wasn't even enough theater. It's nine hours and the only thing you're going to see on TV today, folks, is this clip running of her pounding the table, getting upset, getting up, walking out, Because that was the moment that Lauren Bobert of Colorado, Republican congresswoman posted a picture, and that was the moment that it all went down, and that's what people were curious to see. What roads It lasted a matter of seconds, yes, out of nine hours of testimony.
00:04:05
Speaker 1: And clearly that is what Congresswoman Bobert was hoping.
00:04:08
Speaker 2: What happen?
00:04:08
Speaker 1: She was pushing her and so Yes takes a picture of her without her knowing it. They find out it's published. Hillary Clinton finds out about it, and this is the clip you'll hear. She says, I'm done with this. If you guys are doing that, I am done. You can hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior. And that is when Lauren Bobert, you can hear her in the video saying I did post one and Clinton says, oh for heaven's sake, and that's when she pounds the table, she gets up, and she leaves for thirty minutes. And that is when we now know, or we heard at the time. The Clintons and Hillary Clinton and her team then reiterated that they wanted this hearing open to the public period.
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Speaker 3: Not happening, not going to happen. And this was the whole point. This would have been a really boring live hearing to watch. It really was. I mean, the stuff the exercise with Ller Clinton was just it was an exercise. Someone will say, yes, got her on the record, and this needed to be done, and that's fine, but the where at war and the government is partially shut down. Okay, they find it's important for the victims. If I'm trying robes, I'm trying to give some space for someone sincerely wanting her to come before this committee because they thought she could add to an investigation that's going to give healing enclosure to the victims of the Epstein controversy. Really, somebody thought that, okay, that's.
00:05:33
Speaker 1: Fine, and you know, to your really so we have Representative Nancy Mace, who we have interviewed and we have sat down with out of South Carolina, who has made it very clear that she is a victim's advocate, that she too is a victim of sexual assault. But she asked Hillary she went there, She said, when you saw your husband in these photos with young women being massaged, what went through your mind?
00:05:54
Speaker 3: That was a lolo?
00:05:55
Speaker 1: How is that getting to to the heart of the Epstein investigation.
00:05:58
Speaker 3: It's fine if she thoughts this that was a low blow. Was it was almost mean? That was tough man. And I'm trying to give Nancy may some space here as well, robes that she thought this was a sincere or meaningful question or even a relevant one to ask about Hillary Clinton's emotion in seeing the photos. That helps us help the victims in what way? I don't know.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: To me, that was the most glaring example of exactly what this was all about. And by the way, Clinton, Hillary Clinton has answered plenty of questions like that over the years. She just said, I'm not going to speculate, so she didn't take debit.
00:06:39
Speaker 2: That was good to see.
00:06:40
Speaker 1: I personally thought it was one of the lowest moments. Was Lauren Bobert not just taking the photo, but then asking her about Pizzagate and for any of you who don't know what Pizzagate is, you can sum it up like this, this fairly ridiculous online conspiracy theory that somehow got legs that actually created an incident that Clinton Hillary Clinton was a part of some child sex ring operating out of a DC pizzeria basement. And so to see the former Secretary of State, the former First Lady, the former New York senator actually have to talk about Pizzagate saying it was totally made up, an outrageous allegation that ended up hurting a number of people, caused a deranged young man to show up with an assault rifle and shoot up a local pizzeria. I actually thought it was irresponsible of Lauren Bobert to bring it up, given that there are some people out there who truly believe this and have actually caused harm because of it.
00:07:38
Speaker 3: Well, that's why it's not, in her mind, in other people's minds, irresponsible, because there are people out there who believe this, and she might be one of them, and that's fine. There are people who are listening who said who will never ever believe a word that comes out of the Clinton's mouth, including that Pizzagate is absurd and it's never obviously, what proven, where has that ever been? It's not It's just something that went crazy online, and it's made it to a congressional deposition with the former first Lady, former senator of former Secretary of State under oath and I'm going to ask you about some wild online theory. Fine, she thinks that helps the Epstein victims in some way.
00:08:19
Speaker 1: Okay, I did think it was interesting. Hillary Clinton went much further than her husband did on whether or not she thought President Trump should also be compelled to testify, because that is among some of what came out of this. At least there was President said in a lot of folks minds, and there are plenty of Democrats who want to see President Trump subpoened in this investigation or in these hearings. And she had this to say about President Trump, the President of the United States is not above the law and should be in a setting like this answering questions under oath, as should others who are prominently featured in the files, and especially the group that is featured after two thousand and eight. She makes a very valid point also, so again in that way, why am I here?
00:09:04
Speaker 2: Why am I being asked.
00:09:05
Speaker 1: Questions about my emotions behind seeing photos.
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Speaker 2: I think we all I think it.
00:09:11
Speaker 1: Was very obvious why she was there after we saw the video.
00:09:14
Speaker 3: Because they want to help the victims heal. Okay, that's why, yes, of course, all right, Hillary Clinton is the key to their healing.
00:09:23
Speaker 1: So while Hillary Clinton literally had nothing to offer and said she had nothing to offer the committee in terms of any sort of information towards this investigation, Bill Clinton, as he pointed out, potentially did and so he did sit down. And by the way, the first time a former president was compelled to testify before a congressional committee.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: And look, he testified.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: We've heard this before that he never saw he never heard Jeffrey Epstein talk about sex. He never saw any massages with young girls. And I thought this was interesting. He said he didn't find him creepy, but he found him odd.
00:09:59
Speaker 3: That's that actually makes sense. That it's almost impossible or unfathomable that what we now know about him was going on while he was running in circles and coming off completely normal. And I guess this is something we know about pedophiles. They have a way of being able to present themselves as perfectly normal. But this guy was able to fool folks who aren't fooled that easily by bullshitters, if you will. But no, that's to hear. Yeah, he's an odd guy, but nothing crazy. And that's a good point, Robes about this was all pre conviction Epstein. Trump was in the orbit during that time and after that time a little bit, was it not? Yes, okay, so yeah you would, you could easily. I don't care who you are, Robes, that's just in front of you. Easy argument that Trump should even have been called before Clinton.
00:10:53
Speaker 1: You could argue absolutely, and there are plenty well, all Democrats have been clamoring for that.
00:10:58
Speaker 2: So when we come back, we're going to talk.
00:11:00
Speaker 1: I thought this was really fascinating how Bill Clinton first met Epstein, why he became friendly with him, and what he thinks about President Trump, because he actually differed from his wife Hillary on answering that question.
00:11:16
Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone.
00:11:26
Speaker 1: As we continue to talk about these video tapes that have just been released of Hillary and Bill Clinton testifying before the House Oversight Committee on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, Hillary got a little feisty.
00:11:39
Speaker 2: She left for.
00:11:40
Speaker 1: About thirty minutes after that picture was released and posted against all House rules, and yeah, she lost her cool a couple of times. She was visibly frustrated. And a lot of people say rightfully, justifiably. So now Bill Clinton kept his cool. Not to be surprised by that, certainly has had his fair share of depositions.
00:12:02
Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting.
00:12:04
Speaker 1: We learned how he first met Jeffrey Epstein through his former Treasury secretary Larry Summers, who's.
00:12:11
Speaker 3: Got all kinds of problems these days, right.
00:12:13
Speaker 2: We've heard his name quite a bit, of course.
00:12:15
Speaker 1: He just he had removed himself from much of his public life and just in the last week or so, stepped down from Harvard, which was a very prestigious probably one of the most prestigious positions you could have as a tenured professor there at Harvard.
00:12:30
Speaker 3: But hey, I can work here for the rest of my life. Harvard wants me with them until I die. You don't give up that job. That's like executive producer of sixty minutes, remember that guy. Yes, it's one of those things.
00:12:42
Speaker 1: These are positions that people don't leave voluntarily. Yes, so it was back to Larry Summers. But this is what Bill Clinton had to say about Summers. He said Summers was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars to brain research, and he was information hungry and he wanted to spend some time talking to me about economics and politics.
00:13:06
Speaker 2: So he told him that.
00:13:07
Speaker 1: He said that, Larry Summer said, hey, he's got this massive airplane. He'll take you, your staff, your secret service detail, anybody else you want to bring on the trips to set up a global network to provide life saving AIDS medicine to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
00:13:22
Speaker 2: So Bill Clinton said, hey, I was you.
00:13:24
Speaker 1: Know, he was basically given the stamp of approval by someone he trusted. But he said he became pretty quickly over a period of time that it seemed as though Epstein wasn't as interested in the philanthropic endeavors that Clinton was taking on, and so he kind of just removed himself from the situation.
00:13:43
Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear that even the president of former resident of the United States appreciates the hookup. Oh that was interesting to me, Like we all have been in that position before. We hang in with somebody. Oh you got the car, Oh you got this oh, you got the house up in Montauks. We can roll to hear the president said, he as if this made life easier on him because someone provided him a service. Now it's the former president. Taxpayer money and this and that and what's left over and how much money had in the bank. Flying private is expensive.
00:14:15
Speaker 2: It's very expensive.
00:14:16
Speaker 3: Okay, so this guy is offering I thought that was interesting to put whatever aside and to let this new guy into your orbit because he had a plane. This is how Jeffrey Epstein did this. He dangled millions, and he dangled opportunity, he dangled planes, he dangled islands. He did all this stuff, and people fell.
00:14:36
Speaker 1: For and yeah, and you know what, he dangled credibility because of that, because enough people fell for it. When you're a prominent or wealthy or powerful person and you see other wealthy, powerful, prominent people around this guy, that's kind of like street cred You don't even need to do a background check because maybe you assume everyone else already has.
00:14:55
Speaker 3: Summers was his commerce secretary or was he it was his secretary treasure Sorry, yeah, yes.
00:15:02
Speaker 1: And so then, of course, as you might imagine, Bill Clinton had to answer for some of the photos that had been released, and so there was that hot tub, just the one that's.
00:15:10
Speaker 3: Come on now, you said photos. There's only one one photo.
00:15:12
Speaker 2: Massage in an airport by an unknown woman.
00:15:14
Speaker 3: I didn't see the airport.
00:15:15
Speaker 2: And then there's the hot tub. He said.
00:15:16
Speaker 1: Obviously he did nothing sexual. He said he didn't know the women. He said they were all over eighteen. He was in Brunei, and he said he was at the pool, he was tired, secret service was there and he went to bed afterwards.
00:15:28
Speaker 2: End of story.
00:15:29
Speaker 3: But he also explained, you're only seeing He said, it was a big pool with a bunch of people in it, and there's just one angleage shot and it looks like those are the only two. It is not the case at all, although that wasn't He explained that photo in a way that has not been explained.
00:15:42
Speaker 2: Yes, and think about it.
00:15:43
Speaker 1: I don't know you don't like hot tubs, but I have been at a hotel and gotten into a hot tub, and there have been other people in the hot tub with me and could have taken a photo at an angle that looked like I was sitting. You know, That's that is understandable for anyone who has been in a hotel hot.
00:16:00
Speaker 3: Wow, that's so I need to wait for a picture of you coming out with some guy who is he.
00:16:06
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening, but yes, just saying the massage in the airport, I thought it was interesting. He said his neck had spasmed and that one of the women offered to help.
00:16:16
Speaker 2: This is a quote from him.
00:16:17
Speaker 1: The problem I remember from that trip was my neck had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered to help, and I let them help. So that's how he described this massage.
00:16:27
Speaker 3: That's the only answer I heard that I could kind of go okay, man, but still it's believable, and that, yes, you had a neck spasm. Should you allow some other woman you don't know, and that your wife doesn't know, to put her hands on you outside of a massage of therapy business.
00:16:51
Speaker 2: You're gonna have.
00:16:52
Speaker 1: To answer to your wife for sure if that photo comes out, but if you're president, maybe to other.
00:16:57
Speaker 3: Folks answer to her. He still shouldn't have to answer to it committee under Oh for it.
00:17:01
Speaker 2: I hear you.
00:17:02
Speaker 1: What did you think about his exchange with Nancy Mays about this deposition in twenty sixteen, where Epstein allegedly told a victim that the former president likes them young, and then Nancy Mayce makes a reference to Monica Lewinsky.
00:17:17
Speaker 3: Again, it wasn't we talked about, Oh yeah, the low blow. So yes, this was the other unnecessary meant to embarrass. And this would have been the moment if this was on live television, this would have been the moment that a bunch of networks would have played over and over and over again. If she feels that this helps the victims in some way, what was she trying to get at? I don't know, and don't know what. Then Nancy May's herd oo. But yeah, that was how that gets us to where we are trying to get in this investigation where all of this stuff, what nine hours, ten hours worth of depositions? How much closer did we move to justice or healing for the victim?
00:17:52
Speaker 1: Seriously, I would say we didn't move, not even an inch, not even an inch. Now on Glene Maxwell, I thought this was also interesting. He acknowledged a friendship and he said, I think that this thing was really hard for me when it came out, because you know, we had been friendly with Glaine. I was sad, but it was terrible what she did, and she has to be punished.
00:18:15
Speaker 2: But he wouldn't say.
00:18:15
Speaker 1: He said it wasn't for him to say whether or not she should be pardoned. But I thought that was a genuine response. He wasn't trying to act as though they were barely friends, or they weren't friends, or he hardly knew her. He said that it was it made him sad, and I thought that was a genuine answer.
00:18:33
Speaker 3: What now do you do with that? Right? He was smart not to answer the other question because that would have been a headline. Trump or Clinton realize Glene Maxwell should be pardoned or should not be pardoned, both of those who have made headline. That's not my call. He left it that that was good political Bill Clinton in that moment. So, yeah, he gave a real answer that didn't give you a whole lot of ways to come back at him. Yep, I knew her, YEP, I knew her fairly well, Yeah, it kind of so when I found out about what she was up to. End of story, Yeah, I.
00:19:04
Speaker 2: Can't really take that anywhere.
00:19:06
Speaker 1: And the last point, and on that same line of thinking, he was I didn't think about the fact that, yes, if he had answered either way, that would have been a headline, and he knew it, so he gave a noncommittal answer. I hadn't even considered that that was strategic, but that.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense.
00:19:22
Speaker 1: And it probably is the same with what he had to say about President Trump, because we mentioned Hillary Clinton made it very clear she thinks President Trump should be compelled to testify. Bill Clinton said something different. He said, that's for you to decide. But he did know him well, so we kind of left a little breadcrumbing, and then when he got pushed further on it, he said, well, he'd be on my list. I just think that he was very statesman like when he said that, Oh.
00:19:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he look Glaine Maxwell is one thing when she gave her testimony or interviews and things, she said that she didn't see Trump do anything wrong. I thought Bill Clinton vouched for Trump. He did in a way that now that when we talked about headlines, I was asking you, what was the biggest thing that came out. Now that I'm sitting here and talking about it, I think that might have been huge, including huge for Trump. He probably wasn't expecting that, but Bill Clinton seemed to crazy the sounds and forgive the language, a character witness of sorts for Donald Trump and this whole thing. I was surprised by that.
00:20:21
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny because I was surprised.
00:20:23
Speaker 1: A few days earlier before the testimony, we heard Trump say he didn't think or he felt bad for Bill Clinton. He didn't think that he should have to be testifying. So it was like there was a little friendship going on back and forth behind the scenes between Bill Clinton and President Trump. But he did also shed a little light into his understanding of why President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein ultimately fell out. We know that Trump has claimed that it was because he was creepy and poaching girls from mar al Lago, but Bill Clinton testified that Trump fell out with Epstein over a real estate deal. He said they both wanted the same land or the same house, or the same something, and they fell out over that.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: And that's a very different story than what Trump tells.
00:21:05
Speaker 3: But they fell out. But again, Clinton even said he had a conversation or two with Trump about it and about Epstein, and nothing really came out of it. Didn't think I was very surprised. No excuse me, I shouldn't say that. It almost seemed like it seemed to ought to have Clinton and Trump on the same team, not that they need to or even have an incentive to defend each other, but this is a very exclusive club of former presidents first of all, and now we got former presidents involved with Epstein. That's an even smaller club. And these two have insights and I think one of the most ropes. There are people out there arguing about what Trump knew, what he didn't know, and said he should be in jail, and others saying he didn't know anything. I think one of the best witnesses for Trump has been Bill Clinton because of who he is, certainly and because of what he knows, and for him to be under oath and almost vouch for Trump in a life out of what Trump has been saying publicly, that was fascinating.
00:22:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein.
00:22:07
Speaker 3: Investigation and have that on a Bingo cad.
00:22:11
Speaker 1: Well, the transcripts are still to come they and by the way, this video some of it was redacted. The transcripts have to be approved by both the Clintons, but people will be expecting that as well, because you know, journalists spent long, long hours into the night going through these tapes trying to see if there was any big, big, huge moment, and really and truly, it was just Hillary Clinton upset over that photo being released. And that's about the biggest firework that happened in nine hours of testimony.
00:22:42
Speaker 3: But it's too bad, and this is what you know, what, damn it worlds. That's a shame that too often we all of us look at these hearings and we're looking for what fireworks instead of actual information that's going to further something along. And it happened once again. It's just this time the fireworks weren't live for all of us to see. And now we're looking at the depositions. It's nothing to it, really because nobody's fighting and arguing and yelling. That's too bad. This is not what this was about. I haven't seen reaction, have you yet from any of the Epstein survivors and the Epstein victims?
00:23:13
Speaker 2: You know what I haven't.
00:23:13
Speaker 1: And that's a really good point because it would be interesting to see what they had to say about this, because this exercise yes and yes, and the point being that there was nothing new that advanced this investigation based on what Hillary and Bill had to say.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: I do think it was important.
00:23:28
Speaker 1: I actually do think it was important that Bill Clinton.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: I'm glad he testified. I'm glad that he testified under oath.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I think maybe for the Clintons, you may laugh when I say this, maybe they can finally put this behind them after having done this.
00:23:44
Speaker 3: I don't know what else you can ask these folks for. He's under oath, and every republic who has every incentive to get this guy through everything about Epstein, they could come up with at him, and he walks away, really Robes looking the same he did as he did when he walked in. I don't know anything else. He explained a few other things. He explained a picture which didn't make it worse. It made me go, oh, okay, because the picture looks bad. Yes it does, and without the context. But some people say, oh, he's just lying. That's not That's fine. But Robes, what else do you want to do? What do we do now? Keep digging through the files. There's his name again, Keep digging, keep digging. Okay, But that's why I want to hear from the victims and what they think about this now what they think about Clinton? Now moving forward, do we need to now move on to the next thing and the next name? Who is that? Because what's the biggest name outside of this one, Robes, it's Trump. Maybe they could get Summers in there, Maybe they could get.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get Andrew in there. I know there's been conversations about the former Prince.
00:24:50
Speaker 3: Okay, I think you need to pipe down, pipsqueak.
00:24:56
Speaker 1: We will, of course continue to follow all of the developments out of this House Oversight Committee see who they can compel to testify next. But with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. I'm made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. Look for Morning run coming up in just a bit. We always appreciate you. Have a great day.
Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Tuesday, March third. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are all waking up talking about the Clinton tapes. Yes, those nine hours of testimony by Bill and Hillary Clinton in front of that House committee talking about the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Those videos have been released.
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Speaker 1: And the big headline everyone is focused on, because the video is probably the most exciting out of all the nine hours that journalists have been pouring over, is Hillary Clinton losing her cool. I wouldn't call it unhinged as we heard it described, but she did get visibly frustrated multiple times, answering the same questions over and over.
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Speaker 3: Do you call it visibly? I call it justifiably alutely she's in this and all this set up. Look, she had every right to do more than she did. She should have stormed out of that. She'd have flipped the table over and I would have said, Okay, I know a lot of people on the other side. This is Hillary Clinton. This is typical she's up there line. This is just doing that's the line. But folks, this was supposed to be something fair that was negotiated. We heard about this moment. We're seeing it on video, and quite frankly, it's not a whole lot that came out of this. So I think a lot of people are focusing on that.
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Speaker 1: Thing exactly, and the point being, this is supposed to be information gathering, This is supposed to shed light on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And truly it was what the Clintons thought it was going to be, and I think what most people will acknowledge it was when they see these videos. This was about political theater and nothing else. This wasn't about getting to the bottom of it.
00:01:51
Speaker 2: I did think it was.
00:01:52
Speaker 1: Interesting though, that Bill Clinton when he got up there and testified. Yes, he reiterated that Hillary should not have been subpoena period, but he said that he understood why he was called a testify. He said, I think you should have called me. I did take those plane trips with him, and you have a right to ask those questions. I thought that was extremely an exceptionally fair of the former president.
00:02:15
Speaker 3: It makes sense. Yes, I knew the guy, she didn't. Yeah, he made that mentioning look. Plenty of folks on both sides came out and were complimentary to him for showing up and answering every question.
00:02:26
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we'll begin with Hillary Clinton's testimony.
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Speaker 2: She went up first, and certainly that is the video though.
00:02:33
Speaker 1: That is what you're going to be seeing when you turn on the television today or you go online.
00:02:38
Speaker 2: It's going to be Hillary.
00:02:38
Speaker 1: Clinton getting frustrated multiple times, and they kept asking her about Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was was that a tactic on their part because she has made it very clear multiple times she said, I am so tired of answering that question. If you have won scintilla of evidence to the contrary, put it forward. I've never been to his island, period. I have never been in his homes, his office, is his anything. I don't know how many times you have to say the same thing over and over and over again.
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Speaker 3: This is all just a waste of time. She didn't say anything that all of them didn't know already going in. It only takes one of them on a thirty member committee, thirty plus member committee, only one needs to ask that question. They didn't have anything to ask. They ran out of things. That's fine, but she didn't say anything new. She certainly didn't. Bill Clinton might have given some insights that we didn't know. But Hillary Clinton, it's just it feels. I didn't even call it political theater. There wasn't even enough theater. It's nine hours and the only thing you're going to see on TV today, folks, is this clip running of her pounding the table, getting upset, getting up, walking out, Because that was the moment that Lauren Bobert of Colorado, Republican congresswoman posted a picture, and that was the moment that it all went down, and that's what people were curious to see. What roads It lasted a matter of seconds, yes, out of nine hours of testimony.
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Speaker 1: And clearly that is what Congresswoman Bobert was hoping.
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Speaker 2: What happen?
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Speaker 1: She was pushing her and so Yes takes a picture of her without her knowing it. They find out it's published. Hillary Clinton finds out about it, and this is the clip you'll hear. She says, I'm done with this. If you guys are doing that, I am done. You can hold me in contempt from now until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior. And that is when Lauren Bobert, you can hear her in the video saying I did post one and Clinton says, oh for heaven's sake, and that's when she pounds the table, she gets up, and she leaves for thirty minutes. And that is when we now know, or we heard at the time. The Clintons and Hillary Clinton and her team then reiterated that they wanted this hearing open to the public period.
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Speaker 3: Not happening, not going to happen. And this was the whole point. This would have been a really boring live hearing to watch. It really was. I mean, the stuff the exercise with Ller Clinton was just it was an exercise. Someone will say, yes, got her on the record, and this needed to be done, and that's fine, but the where at war and the government is partially shut down. Okay, they find it's important for the victims. If I'm trying robes, I'm trying to give some space for someone sincerely wanting her to come before this committee because they thought she could add to an investigation that's going to give healing enclosure to the victims of the Epstein controversy. Really, somebody thought that, okay, that's.
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Speaker 1: Fine, and you know, to your really so we have Representative Nancy Mace, who we have interviewed and we have sat down with out of South Carolina, who has made it very clear that she is a victim's advocate, that she too is a victim of sexual assault. But she asked Hillary she went there, She said, when you saw your husband in these photos with young women being massaged, what went through your mind?
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Speaker 3: That was a lolo?
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Speaker 1: How is that getting to to the heart of the Epstein investigation.
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Speaker 3: It's fine if she thoughts this that was a low blow. Was it was almost mean? That was tough man. And I'm trying to give Nancy may some space here as well, robes that she thought this was a sincere or meaningful question or even a relevant one to ask about Hillary Clinton's emotion in seeing the photos. That helps us help the victims in what way? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: To me, that was the most glaring example of exactly what this was all about. And by the way, Clinton, Hillary Clinton has answered plenty of questions like that over the years. She just said, I'm not going to speculate, so she didn't take debit.
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Speaker 2: That was good to see.
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Speaker 1: I personally thought it was one of the lowest moments. Was Lauren Bobert not just taking the photo, but then asking her about Pizzagate and for any of you who don't know what Pizzagate is, you can sum it up like this, this fairly ridiculous online conspiracy theory that somehow got legs that actually created an incident that Clinton Hillary Clinton was a part of some child sex ring operating out of a DC pizzeria basement. And so to see the former Secretary of State, the former First Lady, the former New York senator actually have to talk about Pizzagate saying it was totally made up, an outrageous allegation that ended up hurting a number of people, caused a deranged young man to show up with an assault rifle and shoot up a local pizzeria. I actually thought it was irresponsible of Lauren Bobert to bring it up, given that there are some people out there who truly believe this and have actually caused harm because of it.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's why it's not, in her mind, in other people's minds, irresponsible, because there are people out there who believe this, and she might be one of them, and that's fine. There are people who are listening who said who will never ever believe a word that comes out of the Clinton's mouth, including that Pizzagate is absurd and it's never obviously, what proven, where has that ever been? It's not It's just something that went crazy online, and it's made it to a congressional deposition with the former first Lady, former senator of former Secretary of State under oath and I'm going to ask you about some wild online theory. Fine, she thinks that helps the Epstein victims in some way.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I did think it was interesting. Hillary Clinton went much further than her husband did on whether or not she thought President Trump should also be compelled to testify, because that is among some of what came out of this. At least there was President said in a lot of folks minds, and there are plenty of Democrats who want to see President Trump subpoened in this investigation or in these hearings. And she had this to say about President Trump, the President of the United States is not above the law and should be in a setting like this answering questions under oath, as should others who are prominently featured in the files, and especially the group that is featured after two thousand and eight. She makes a very valid point also, so again in that way, why am I here?
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Speaker 2: Why am I being asked.
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Speaker 1: Questions about my emotions behind seeing photos.
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Speaker 2: I think we all I think it.
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Speaker 1: Was very obvious why she was there after we saw the video.
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Speaker 3: Because they want to help the victims heal. Okay, that's why, yes, of course, all right, Hillary Clinton is the key to their healing.
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Speaker 1: So while Hillary Clinton literally had nothing to offer and said she had nothing to offer the committee in terms of any sort of information towards this investigation, Bill Clinton, as he pointed out, potentially did and so he did sit down. And by the way, the first time a former president was compelled to testify before a congressional committee.
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Speaker 2: And look, he testified.
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Speaker 1: We've heard this before that he never saw he never heard Jeffrey Epstein talk about sex. He never saw any massages with young girls. And I thought this was interesting. He said he didn't find him creepy, but he found him odd.
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Speaker 3: That's that actually makes sense. That it's almost impossible or unfathomable that what we now know about him was going on while he was running in circles and coming off completely normal. And I guess this is something we know about pedophiles. They have a way of being able to present themselves as perfectly normal. But this guy was able to fool folks who aren't fooled that easily by bullshitters, if you will. But no, that's to hear. Yeah, he's an odd guy, but nothing crazy. And that's a good point, Robes about this was all pre conviction Epstein. Trump was in the orbit during that time and after that time a little bit, was it not? Yes, okay, so yeah you would, you could easily. I don't care who you are, Robes, that's just in front of you. Easy argument that Trump should even have been called before Clinton.
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Speaker 1: You could argue absolutely, and there are plenty well, all Democrats have been clamoring for that.
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Speaker 2: So when we come back, we're going to talk.
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Speaker 1: I thought this was really fascinating how Bill Clinton first met Epstein, why he became friendly with him, and what he thinks about President Trump, because he actually differed from his wife Hillary on answering that question.
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Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone.
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Speaker 1: As we continue to talk about these video tapes that have just been released of Hillary and Bill Clinton testifying before the House Oversight Committee on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, Hillary got a little feisty.
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Speaker 2: She left for.
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Speaker 1: About thirty minutes after that picture was released and posted against all House rules, and yeah, she lost her cool a couple of times. She was visibly frustrated. And a lot of people say rightfully, justifiably. So now Bill Clinton kept his cool. Not to be surprised by that, certainly has had his fair share of depositions.
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Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting.
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Speaker 1: We learned how he first met Jeffrey Epstein through his former Treasury secretary Larry Summers, who's.
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Speaker 3: Got all kinds of problems these days, right.
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Speaker 2: We've heard his name quite a bit, of course.
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Speaker 1: He just he had removed himself from much of his public life and just in the last week or so, stepped down from Harvard, which was a very prestigious probably one of the most prestigious positions you could have as a tenured professor there at Harvard.
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Speaker 3: But hey, I can work here for the rest of my life. Harvard wants me with them until I die. You don't give up that job. That's like executive producer of sixty minutes, remember that guy. Yes, it's one of those things.
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Speaker 1: These are positions that people don't leave voluntarily. Yes, so it was back to Larry Summers. But this is what Bill Clinton had to say about Summers. He said Summers was calling because a man named Jeffrey Epstein who had made a substantial commitment of several million dollars to brain research, and he was information hungry and he wanted to spend some time talking to me about economics and politics.
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Speaker 2: So he told him that.
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Speaker 1: He said that, Larry Summer said, hey, he's got this massive airplane. He'll take you, your staff, your secret service detail, anybody else you want to bring on the trips to set up a global network to provide life saving AIDS medicine to as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 2: So Bill Clinton said, hey, I was you.
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Speaker 1: Know, he was basically given the stamp of approval by someone he trusted. But he said he became pretty quickly over a period of time that it seemed as though Epstein wasn't as interested in the philanthropic endeavors that Clinton was taking on, and so he kind of just removed himself from the situation.
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Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear that even the president of former resident of the United States appreciates the hookup. Oh that was interesting to me, Like we all have been in that position before. We hang in with somebody. Oh you got the car, Oh you got this oh, you got the house up in Montauks. We can roll to hear the president said, he as if this made life easier on him because someone provided him a service. Now it's the former president. Taxpayer money and this and that and what's left over and how much money had in the bank. Flying private is expensive.
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Speaker 2: It's very expensive.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so this guy is offering I thought that was interesting to put whatever aside and to let this new guy into your orbit because he had a plane. This is how Jeffrey Epstein did this. He dangled millions, and he dangled opportunity, he dangled planes, he dangled islands. He did all this stuff, and people fell.
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Speaker 1: For and yeah, and you know what, he dangled credibility because of that, because enough people fell for it. When you're a prominent or wealthy or powerful person and you see other wealthy, powerful, prominent people around this guy, that's kind of like street cred You don't even need to do a background check because maybe you assume everyone else already has.
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Speaker 3: Summers was his commerce secretary or was he it was his secretary treasure Sorry, yeah, yes.
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Speaker 1: And so then, of course, as you might imagine, Bill Clinton had to answer for some of the photos that had been released, and so there was that hot tub, just the one that's.
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Speaker 3: Come on now, you said photos. There's only one one photo.
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Speaker 2: Massage in an airport by an unknown woman.
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Speaker 3: I didn't see the airport.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the hot tub. He said.
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Speaker 1: Obviously he did nothing sexual. He said he didn't know the women. He said they were all over eighteen. He was in Brunei, and he said he was at the pool, he was tired, secret service was there and he went to bed afterwards.
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Speaker 2: End of story.
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Speaker 3: But he also explained, you're only seeing He said, it was a big pool with a bunch of people in it, and there's just one angleage shot and it looks like those are the only two. It is not the case at all, although that wasn't He explained that photo in a way that has not been explained.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and think about it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know you don't like hot tubs, but I have been at a hotel and gotten into a hot tub, and there have been other people in the hot tub with me and could have taken a photo at an angle that looked like I was sitting. You know, That's that is understandable for anyone who has been in a hotel hot.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's so I need to wait for a picture of you coming out with some guy who is he.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening, but yes, just saying the massage in the airport, I thought it was interesting. He said his neck had spasmed and that one of the women offered to help.
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Speaker 2: This is a quote from him.
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Speaker 1: The problem I remember from that trip was my neck had spasmed and I was in pain. So they offered to help, and I let them help. So that's how he described this massage.
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Speaker 3: That's the only answer I heard that I could kind of go okay, man, but still it's believable, and that, yes, you had a neck spasm. Should you allow some other woman you don't know, and that your wife doesn't know, to put her hands on you outside of a massage of therapy business.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna have.
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Speaker 1: To answer to your wife for sure if that photo comes out, but if you're president, maybe to other.
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Speaker 3: Folks answer to her. He still shouldn't have to answer to it committee under Oh for it.
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Speaker 2: I hear you.
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Speaker 1: What did you think about his exchange with Nancy Mays about this deposition in twenty sixteen, where Epstein allegedly told a victim that the former president likes them young, and then Nancy Mayce makes a reference to Monica Lewinsky.
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Speaker 3: Again, it wasn't we talked about, Oh yeah, the low blow. So yes, this was the other unnecessary meant to embarrass. And this would have been the moment if this was on live television, this would have been the moment that a bunch of networks would have played over and over and over again. If she feels that this helps the victims in some way, what was she trying to get at? I don't know, and don't know what. Then Nancy May's herd oo. But yeah, that was how that gets us to where we are trying to get in this investigation where all of this stuff, what nine hours, ten hours worth of depositions? How much closer did we move to justice or healing for the victim?
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Speaker 1: Seriously, I would say we didn't move, not even an inch, not even an inch. Now on Glene Maxwell, I thought this was also interesting. He acknowledged a friendship and he said, I think that this thing was really hard for me when it came out, because you know, we had been friendly with Glaine. I was sad, but it was terrible what she did, and she has to be punished.
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Speaker 2: But he wouldn't say.
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Speaker 1: He said it wasn't for him to say whether or not she should be pardoned. But I thought that was a genuine response. He wasn't trying to act as though they were barely friends, or they weren't friends, or he hardly knew her. He said that it was it made him sad, and I thought that was a genuine answer.
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Speaker 3: What now do you do with that? Right? He was smart not to answer the other question because that would have been a headline. Trump or Clinton realize Glene Maxwell should be pardoned or should not be pardoned, both of those who have made headline. That's not my call. He left it that that was good political Bill Clinton in that moment. So, yeah, he gave a real answer that didn't give you a whole lot of ways to come back at him. Yep, I knew her, YEP, I knew her fairly well, Yeah, it kind of so when I found out about what she was up to. End of story, Yeah, I.
00:19:04
Speaker 2: Can't really take that anywhere.
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Speaker 1: And the last point, and on that same line of thinking, he was I didn't think about the fact that, yes, if he had answered either way, that would have been a headline, and he knew it, so he gave a noncommittal answer. I hadn't even considered that that was strategic, but that.
00:19:21
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 1: And it probably is the same with what he had to say about President Trump, because we mentioned Hillary Clinton made it very clear she thinks President Trump should be compelled to testify. Bill Clinton said something different. He said, that's for you to decide. But he did know him well, so we kind of left a little breadcrumbing, and then when he got pushed further on it, he said, well, he'd be on my list. I just think that he was very statesman like when he said that, Oh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he look Glaine Maxwell is one thing when she gave her testimony or interviews and things, she said that she didn't see Trump do anything wrong. I thought Bill Clinton vouched for Trump. He did in a way that now that when we talked about headlines, I was asking you, what was the biggest thing that came out. Now that I'm sitting here and talking about it, I think that might have been huge, including huge for Trump. He probably wasn't expecting that, but Bill Clinton seemed to crazy the sounds and forgive the language, a character witness of sorts for Donald Trump and this whole thing. I was surprised by that.
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Speaker 2: You know, It's funny because I was surprised.
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Speaker 1: A few days earlier before the testimony, we heard Trump say he didn't think or he felt bad for Bill Clinton. He didn't think that he should have to be testifying. So it was like there was a little friendship going on back and forth behind the scenes between Bill Clinton and President Trump. But he did also shed a little light into his understanding of why President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein ultimately fell out. We know that Trump has claimed that it was because he was creepy and poaching girls from mar al Lago, but Bill Clinton testified that Trump fell out with Epstein over a real estate deal. He said they both wanted the same land or the same house, or the same something, and they fell out over that.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: And that's a very different story than what Trump tells.
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Speaker 3: But they fell out. But again, Clinton even said he had a conversation or two with Trump about it and about Epstein, and nothing really came out of it. Didn't think I was very surprised. No excuse me, I shouldn't say that. It almost seemed like it seemed to ought to have Clinton and Trump on the same team, not that they need to or even have an incentive to defend each other, but this is a very exclusive club of former presidents first of all, and now we got former presidents involved with Epstein. That's an even smaller club. And these two have insights and I think one of the most ropes. There are people out there arguing about what Trump knew, what he didn't know, and said he should be in jail, and others saying he didn't know anything. I think one of the best witnesses for Trump has been Bill Clinton because of who he is, certainly and because of what he knows, and for him to be under oath and almost vouch for Trump in a life out of what Trump has been saying publicly, that was fascinating.
00:22:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill Clinton might have been the best thing that ever happened to President Trump when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 3: Investigation and have that on a Bingo cad.
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Speaker 1: Well, the transcripts are still to come they and by the way, this video some of it was redacted. The transcripts have to be approved by both the Clintons, but people will be expecting that as well, because you know, journalists spent long, long hours into the night going through these tapes trying to see if there was any big, big, huge moment, and really and truly, it was just Hillary Clinton upset over that photo being released. And that's about the biggest firework that happened in nine hours of testimony.
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Speaker 3: But it's too bad, and this is what you know, what, damn it worlds. That's a shame that too often we all of us look at these hearings and we're looking for what fireworks instead of actual information that's going to further something along. And it happened once again. It's just this time the fireworks weren't live for all of us to see. And now we're looking at the depositions. It's nothing to it, really because nobody's fighting and arguing and yelling. That's too bad. This is not what this was about. I haven't seen reaction, have you yet from any of the Epstein survivors and the Epstein victims?
00:23:13
Speaker 2: You know what I haven't.
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Speaker 1: And that's a really good point because it would be interesting to see what they had to say about this, because this exercise yes and yes, and the point being that there was nothing new that advanced this investigation based on what Hillary and Bill had to say.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: I do think it was important.
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Speaker 1: I actually do think it was important that Bill Clinton.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad he testified. I'm glad that he testified under oath.
00:23:34
Speaker 1: I think maybe for the Clintons, you may laugh when I say this, maybe they can finally put this behind them after having done this.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what else you can ask these folks for. He's under oath, and every republic who has every incentive to get this guy through everything about Epstein, they could come up with at him, and he walks away, really Robes looking the same he did as he did when he walked in. I don't know anything else. He explained a few other things. He explained a picture which didn't make it worse. It made me go, oh, okay, because the picture looks bad. Yes it does, and without the context. But some people say, oh, he's just lying. That's not That's fine. But Robes, what else do you want to do? What do we do now? Keep digging through the files. There's his name again, Keep digging, keep digging. Okay, But that's why I want to hear from the victims and what they think about this now what they think about Clinton? Now moving forward, do we need to now move on to the next thing and the next name? Who is that? Because what's the biggest name outside of this one, Robes, it's Trump. Maybe they could get Summers in there, Maybe they could get.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get Andrew in there. I know there's been conversations about the former Prince.
00:24:50
Speaker 3: Okay, I think you need to pipe down, pipsqueak.
00:24:56
Speaker 1: We will, of course continue to follow all of the developments out of this House Oversight Committee see who they can compel to testify next. But with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. I'm made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. Look for Morning run coming up in just a bit. We always appreciate you. Have a great day.