Nov. 11, 2026
He's Maintained His Innocence For 25 Years; He's Set To Be Executed In The Morning
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RSS Feed Oklahoma is executing its 4th inmate of the year at 10am Thursday morning. It will be the first of two executions in one day in the U.S. with Florida breaking its own record executing its 20th inmate at 6pm ET. 70 year old Jim Pavatt was convicted for the 2001 shooting death of his girlfriend’s soon to be ex-husband, Rob Andrew. Prosecutors claimed Andrew told many people leading up to his death that his estranged wife, Brenda Andrew, finally found someone who would kill him. Brenda was also convicted for her role in the murder and is currently the only woman on death row in the state of Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, November 11th, and so far this year, 35 inmates have been executed in the United States. Yes, in 2026. And by the time you have your second cup of coffee tomorrow, it'll be up to 36. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, Another Day Robes, where we are going to see two executions on the same day in this country. And one of them is happening before folks even go to lunch.
00:00:45
Speaker 2: That's true. So the first execution of the day, scheduled for Thursday, November 12th, will take place at 10 a.m. local time in Oklahoma. And this is Oklahoma's fourth execution of the year, correct? His name is Jim Pavotte, and he's 70 years old. But this was one of the most high-profile executions murders in the state's history at least in recent memory he's been on death row or the crime i guess occurred 25 years ago but this crime had everyone talking in the oklahoma.
00:01:20
Speaker 1: City area this is this is this is a story made for one of these true crime shows it's so true it's got everything in it it's got cheating an affair it has money It has intrigue. It has exes. It has all of these stuff. Robes, it even has a manhunt involved.
00:01:40
Speaker 2: It has... Fleeing to Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes. It has all of these things in it. But Robes, it's once again, here we are. It never feels good, right? On an execution day, a double execution day we have, and we should explain. Robes, there are... The more of these we see, the more that seemed to happen in the morning. And it does bear some explanation. Hell, was it Indiana? They executed a guy at midnight.
00:02:08
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:02:09
Speaker 1: Before dawn. And there are reasons some states decide to do this. They have varying reasons. Some, in some cases, Roe, these death warrants only are open for a little while, 24 hours. So you have a limited amount of time. Some people, some states, want to start the process early in case there's a problem. In case there's an issue, we still have time to get it done. Other states, like Indiana... They were like, yeah, let's do it in the cover of darkness where people can't see this. So there are different reasons, but, Ro, it still feels odd, doesn't it?
00:02:41
Speaker 2: Like a morning execution feels strange.
00:02:43
Speaker 1: It feels weird.
00:02:44
Speaker 2: The midnight one didn't feel that odd, but the 10 a.m. does.
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Speaker 1: It feels weird. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And so Jim Pavotte, he, as we mentioned, is 70 years old, but his victim... The name was Rob Andrew. He was 39 years old. He was an advertising executive, and he was the soon-to-be ex-husband of Jim Pavot's girlfriend. Does that make sense? So Jim Pavot is dating Rob Andrew's soon-to-be ex-wife.
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Speaker 1: Brenda.
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Speaker 2: Brenda. So, Brenda and Rob are divorcing. That's already been established. Now, Jim Pavotte just so happened to be the couple's, when they were still together, insurance agent.
00:03:29
Speaker 1: I see where this is going.
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Speaker 2: He is the one who actually sold the insurance policy to the couple that ended up being... They're undoing, so to speak, and pretty much is responsible for the death of Rob Andrew because there was an $ 800, 000 life insurance policy that Jim Pavotte obviously was clearly aware of because he drew it up. I am just trying to get my head around how he and Brenda thought they were going to get away with it. Like, you know that the first people you're looking to if you're a detective is... the person you're divorcing, and couple with that the fact that you're now dating your insurance agent who created the policy. You've got, like, targets on your back from a detective standpoint. You're the first two people we're going to look at.
00:04:26
Speaker 1: I cannot think of an episode of Snapped that's more bonkers than this one.
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Speaker 2: How?
00:04:31
Speaker 1: Rose, who? Any spouse that dies, the first suspect... Is the spouse.
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Speaker 2: Especially when you're going through a divorce. Okay.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
00:04:40
Speaker 1: First person you're going to look at is the spouse.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:04:42
Speaker 1: And then if the spouse is actually divorcing you, that looks worse. And then if that spouse that's divorcing you is also involved in an extramarital affair. Robes, all of those things. Oh, yeah. And by the way, there's an insurance policy. Robes, this makes no sense. How in God? You just said it. How in God's name? And look, most criminals don't think they're ever going to get caught.
00:05:05
Speaker 2: They think they're smarter than the detectives, I guess.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the dumbest plots I have heard.
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Speaker 2: It's actually asinine. So this happened on November 20th, 2001. And Rob, because they're in the middle of a divorce, is going to Brenda's home to pick up the kids. But Brenda says, hey, I've got an issue with my hot water heater or whatever it was. She said the pilot light was going out, correct? Correct. So Rob, being the nice guy that he is, decides to try to help her out and relight a pilot light.
00:05:42
Speaker 1: In the garage. In the garage. We've all been there. You had a house. You know how that goes. You go in the garage, hot water heater, some work to be done. You get the scene.
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Speaker 2: Next thing you know, Brenda is calling 911. And she says, we're in the garage. It's me and my husband. He's got blood all over him. He apparently is shot by, she claims, two masked men who came into their garage. She even has a, I guess what they've described as a superficial wound from one of those bullets. It grazed her, basically, so to speak. And so, yes, we've now got another very well-known... it's not a plot twist, but cover story, alibi, whatever, whatever. When you're the one who's murdered somebody, what do you do? You call 911 and you say, there's been an intruder. They were masked. We've seen this play out so much.
00:06:39
Speaker 1: Everybody listening has seen this play out. Everybody listening has seen this episode of whatever show, true crime show you were watching. Robes, police show up and there's a woman with a superficial wound to her arm, who says, two masked men just broke in and they killed my husband. They didn't take anything. And they didn't kill me, a witness. Okay, so that's the story. That's what police are walking into. Then, afterwards, Robes, I can't even believe some of these details.
00:07:14
Speaker 3: How is it possible that Brenda... Her two children and her new boyfriend, the insurance agent, leave town before her soon-to-be ex-husband and the father of her children's funeral after he was murdered by, she claims, masked men.
00:07:39
Speaker 2: Why would you leave? And she didn't just leave town. She left the country. Rope.
00:07:46
Speaker 1: Rope, are you kidding me? At this point, they're fleeing. They're not trying to act as if.
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Speaker 2: They must have understood at that point that they were the prime suspects.
00:07:55
Speaker 1: Before the funeral even started. Robes, that's almost a confirmation of your guilt.
00:08:02
Speaker 2: To me, that is a confirmation of your guilt. There's no other reason why you would leave the country and not take your children to their own father's funeral.
00:08:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough, baby. So these folks are on the. As you love to say, go ahead, say it. On the lam. Yes, for three months. Three months search goes on. And the only way they weren't just caught or found, I should say, robes, they were trying to get back to the U.S.
00:08:27
Speaker 2: Do you understand why they were trying to get back in the U.S.? Because if you made it to Mexico and you're laying low for three months, right? Why even risk trying to get back into the country?
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Speaker 1: Your life is here. Your family is here. Your familiarity is here. Your friends are here. Your finance is here. Your ability to make money is here. Your language is here. Robes, you can only hang out so long in Mexico on the land without money. And from what I can tell, I guess I'm assuming here, they didn't get that 800 grand. Right, I assume they didn't get that money.
00:09:00
Speaker 2: It actually went, it officially went to the children.
00:09:03
Speaker 1: Good.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: It took some legal wrangling.
00:09:04
Speaker 1: Oh, thank God.
00:09:05
Speaker 2: But that insurance money actually did go to the children who, by the way, weren't fully able to receive it or use it until their 35th birthday. So there was actually some... Some stopgaps put in place to actually protect them from themselves, actually, at that point. But I guess at this point now, they would be probably up for getting the money because this happened 25 years ago. I don't know the exact ages of the kids, but they were young enough.
00:09:30
Speaker 1: That's a relief to hear.
00:09:32
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:09:33
Speaker 1: So the couple of the killers... Did not get this money. That's something at least. Yes.
00:09:39
Speaker 2: And the other part of this story that we failed to mention, but it's an important part of the story.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: Well, okay. You kind of giggled. This isn't funny. People are dead and there's an execution, but this is ridiculous.
00:09:49
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:09:50
Speaker 1: So I already know what you're about to say.
00:09:51
Speaker 2: You know where I'm going with this, right? So you actually already have Rob Andrew. He was already telling people that he... his life was in jeopardy. He actually showed folks that his brake lines were cut. So he finds out, like I believe, was it the month before his actual murder? He comes to realize that his brake line's were cut. Somebody wanted him to get in a horrific car accident. He said, he told people that he knew his wife was trying to find somebody to kill him. And it turns out she eventually did. It was the man that she was dating, but he was aware he, can you imagine knowing or believing probably that your soon to be ex-wife was was trying.
00:10:47
Speaker 1: To kill you how do you sleep at night how do you sleep at night yeah but yeah this was going on he was aware a month said something was.
00:10:55
Speaker 2: Coming right yes he said yeah he said my wife is trying to find somebody who will kill me for her like he knew it and here's the other thing that's another interesting part of this and it should be noted That Jim Pavotte has maintained his innocence this entire time.
00:11:15
Speaker 1: Worth noting.
00:11:16
Speaker 2: For 25 years.
00:11:17
Speaker 1: Worth noting.
00:11:17
Speaker 2: He has denied shooting Rob Andrew. He has denied being a part of the plot to kill Rob Andrew. He has maintained his innocence and he has never wavered.
00:11:30
Speaker 1: Ain't a court, ain't a judge or a jury given any credence to his claim.
00:11:37
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
00:11:38
Speaker 1: Not at all. Robes, I don't know how they thought they were going to... What is his age now?
00:11:44
Speaker 2: He's 70 years old now. So he was 45 at the time of the murder. And look, I thought it was pretty interesting because in a letter to the pardon and parole board, because he was denied clemency about a month ago.
00:11:58
Speaker 1: It was close.
00:11:59
Speaker 2: Yes, it was three to two, correct? Rob Andrews' brothers told the parole board that their parents... who ended up raising the children. His parents are now passed away, Rob and his parents, but they raised his children. They said, we would let the laws of the state of Oklahoma decide their fate because vengeance is not ours. Our brother is gone, and we cannot change that. But they did describe what his absence meant to the children, to their parents, and to their family. But I do think it's worth noting they were not pushing... for the death sentence. They were saying, hey, you know what? You all do what you're going to do, but vengeance is not ours. And the death of this man doesn't change the outcome.
00:12:53
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated, Robes, you know that, to hear from the families of the victims of these death row inmates and to see how they feel about it. And you know what, Robes, haven't we seen over time that they might feel some way immediately after two years after the conviction, 20 years afterwards, it can change.
00:13:11
Speaker 2: It can change. But I just thought that was cool that they were not pushing for him to die. And look, he is not the only one scheduled to die. Yes, we know that Pavad is scheduled to die tomorrow, but his accomplice and the former wife of Rob Andrew, Brenda Andrew, Yeah, she is the only woman, we will tell you about it, in this state on death row. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. We are looking at another execution in Oklahoma. This one's set for 10 a.m. local time. James or Jim Pavot. I'm seeing 70 or 72. Actually, his age is changing around, but he is in his 70s. And, yes, he has been on death row for more than two decades, but so has his former girlfriend and cohort in all of this. Andrew Robb's soon-to-be, I guess now I guess officially his ex-wife, Brenda, She is also on death row. She's 62 years old, and she is the only female in the state of Oklahoma on death row. It blows my mind because, look, these two were already separated. Andrew and Brenda were already separated. They were going through a divorce. She was leaving him. She had a new boyfriend. She had a new life set up.
00:14:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
00:14:45
Speaker 1: Money, money, money, money, money. Greed, baby.
00:14:47
Speaker 2: And for $ 800, 000... They both ended up on death row. And yes, while Jim is going to die tomorrow, Brenda, I don't know. We don't have an.
00:15:00
Speaker 1: Execution date set. Don't know if it'll ever be set. She's still going through. She's had some very recent legal wranglings. She is lost, ultimately, and it still stands. But Robe, there was some back and forth with her sentence. It still stands. She's still on death row. But she's done some recent legal wrangling. But, Robe, this is one of those cases situations why what's the delay no well in this case if they both got the exact same sentence man these things should be if we got two executions tomorrow let these be the two why is she being spared and possibly how many years just i'm saying in the interest of justice and what we're talking about is what what are we doing I think it's.
00:15:46
Speaker 2: A fair question to ask. And look, I don't know, would anyone be upset if the two of them ended up in the death row or the execution chamber together? At the same time. Go ahead. Put those needles in at the same time. Have them die at the same time. I don't know who would argue against that. Because, yes, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is Jim Pavot being executed tomorrow? And why is Brenda Andrew still on death row looking to see another day?
00:16:15
Speaker 1: Again, another day. She could be seeing another month, another year. She could be seeing another decade. We don't know. They have not set an execution date. There is no way of knowing. Whatever governor decides to sign it, she might be there indefinitely. Robes, help me here with the reminder. Krista Pike was the first in 200 years, as far as women in Tennessee, to be executed. As far as the country goes, Robes, there was a trans person in what year? 21, I believe. Before that, do I have it right? Was it 2015?
00:16:50
Speaker 2: It was something like that. It's been, it had been... more than 10 years i believe since a woman a biological woman was yes was sent to the death chamber and i say that because obviously krista pike did not die but we have not seen a woman executed in more than a decade.
00:17:11
Speaker 1: So there's no reason to think that this one would be moved up that she's going to be executed anytime soon and how old is krista pike uh 50. 50, I believe. This woman's 62?
00:17:23
Speaker 2: 62.
00:17:24
Speaker 1: What is the country going to feel about a woman who's 65? Who's 70, Robes? If they try to execute her later. Even 62. Think of the 62-year-old women you know in your life. Robes! How old was she when, where we go, 20 years? She was early 40s, wasn't she?
00:17:41
Speaker 2: Yes, because I know that she's been on death row since 2004. And she is... 22 years. Yes.
00:17:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's early 40s, baby. That's a different woman and a different monster in your mind, at least, than a 62-year-old lady. Well, if she gets to 65 and 70, and we should mention, ropes, Gallup poll, last month, October, first time since 1971, we do not have a majority of Americans in favor of the death penalty. Obviously, Krista Pyke. Has something to do with that. Is that not right?
00:18:18
Speaker 2: I would think it would have to have had an impact just to see what happened and just how hard it was to even read about, think about, hear about. And honestly, Krista Pike might have been the best thing that ever happened to Brenda Andrews if she doesn't want to die, which we often find to be the case no matter what. How terrible the conditions might be on death row or behind bars, nobody wants to die. Or at least most people do not want to die, and they will fight to see another hour, let alone another day. And Krista Pike's debacle in Tennessee may have bought Brenda Andrews a lot of time, if not plenty of time.
00:18:56
Speaker 1: We have been saying it, and now the Gallup poll, we feel validated. We cover death penalties and death row executions more than most. We've been saying for months, something. The death penalty is having a moment in this country. Yes, with Krista Pike, but that peak Hexeth shit about the live stream, it turns you off to the death penalty. Those two things, very high profile, no matter who you are, you're turned off. We're going to shoot a guy on the live stream who's in a wheelchair, and there's a woman we tortured.
00:19:33
Speaker 2: That had, what, 10 needles in her arms, had two what we thought were lethal doses of petobarbital. She nearly died but didn't quite die. She was on a ventilator. I mean, it's just awful to think about a situation like that. None of us. want that repeated, whether you're pro death penalty or not. I don't think anyone would want that to happen to another human being.
00:19:57
Speaker 1: Regardless of their crime. We're having a moment.
00:20:00
Speaker 2: But Jim Pavot looks like he is headed to that death chamber in the morning. Of course, please always, You can wake up with us at 6 a.m. Eastern time, starting at 6 a.m. Eastern time. We will have our morning run up and we will get you up to speed on any new developments. And of course, we will follow the happenings there in Oklahoma in the morning. So in the meantime, we always appreciate you listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
00:20:23
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, November 11th, and so far this year, 35 inmates have been executed in the United States. Yes, in 2026. And by the time you have your second cup of coffee tomorrow, it'll be up to 36. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, Another Day Robes, where we are going to see two executions on the same day in this country. And one of them is happening before folks even go to lunch.
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Speaker 2: That's true. So the first execution of the day, scheduled for Thursday, November 12th, will take place at 10 a.m. local time in Oklahoma. And this is Oklahoma's fourth execution of the year, correct? His name is Jim Pavotte, and he's 70 years old. But this was one of the most high-profile executions murders in the state's history at least in recent memory he's been on death row or the crime i guess occurred 25 years ago but this crime had everyone talking in the oklahoma.
00:01:20
Speaker 1: City area this is this is this is a story made for one of these true crime shows it's so true it's got everything in it it's got cheating an affair it has money It has intrigue. It has exes. It has all of these stuff. Robes, it even has a manhunt involved.
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Speaker 2: It has... Fleeing to Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yes. It has all of these things in it. But Robes, it's once again, here we are. It never feels good, right? On an execution day, a double execution day we have, and we should explain. Robes, there are... The more of these we see, the more that seemed to happen in the morning. And it does bear some explanation. Hell, was it Indiana? They executed a guy at midnight.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Before dawn. And there are reasons some states decide to do this. They have varying reasons. Some, in some cases, Roe, these death warrants only are open for a little while, 24 hours. So you have a limited amount of time. Some people, some states, want to start the process early in case there's a problem. In case there's an issue, we still have time to get it done. Other states, like Indiana... They were like, yeah, let's do it in the cover of darkness where people can't see this. So there are different reasons, but, Ro, it still feels odd, doesn't it?
00:02:41
Speaker 2: Like a morning execution feels strange.
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Speaker 1: It feels weird.
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Speaker 2: The midnight one didn't feel that odd, but the 10 a.m. does.
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Speaker 1: It feels weird. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And so Jim Pavotte, he, as we mentioned, is 70 years old, but his victim... The name was Rob Andrew. He was 39 years old. He was an advertising executive, and he was the soon-to-be ex-husband of Jim Pavot's girlfriend. Does that make sense? So Jim Pavot is dating Rob Andrew's soon-to-be ex-wife.
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Speaker 1: Brenda.
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Speaker 2: Brenda. So, Brenda and Rob are divorcing. That's already been established. Now, Jim Pavotte just so happened to be the couple's, when they were still together, insurance agent.
00:03:29
Speaker 1: I see where this is going.
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Speaker 2: He is the one who actually sold the insurance policy to the couple that ended up being... They're undoing, so to speak, and pretty much is responsible for the death of Rob Andrew because there was an $ 800, 000 life insurance policy that Jim Pavotte obviously was clearly aware of because he drew it up. I am just trying to get my head around how he and Brenda thought they were going to get away with it. Like, you know that the first people you're looking to if you're a detective is... the person you're divorcing, and couple with that the fact that you're now dating your insurance agent who created the policy. You've got, like, targets on your back from a detective standpoint. You're the first two people we're going to look at.
00:04:26
Speaker 1: I cannot think of an episode of Snapped that's more bonkers than this one.
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Speaker 2: How?
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Speaker 1: Rose, who? Any spouse that dies, the first suspect... Is the spouse.
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Speaker 2: Especially when you're going through a divorce. Okay.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: First person you're going to look at is the spouse.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And then if the spouse is actually divorcing you, that looks worse. And then if that spouse that's divorcing you is also involved in an extramarital affair. Robes, all of those things. Oh, yeah. And by the way, there's an insurance policy. Robes, this makes no sense. How in God? You just said it. How in God's name? And look, most criminals don't think they're ever going to get caught.
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Speaker 2: They think they're smarter than the detectives, I guess.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the dumbest plots I have heard.
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Speaker 2: It's actually asinine. So this happened on November 20th, 2001. And Rob, because they're in the middle of a divorce, is going to Brenda's home to pick up the kids. But Brenda says, hey, I've got an issue with my hot water heater or whatever it was. She said the pilot light was going out, correct? Correct. So Rob, being the nice guy that he is, decides to try to help her out and relight a pilot light.
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Speaker 1: In the garage. In the garage. We've all been there. You had a house. You know how that goes. You go in the garage, hot water heater, some work to be done. You get the scene.
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Speaker 2: Next thing you know, Brenda is calling 911. And she says, we're in the garage. It's me and my husband. He's got blood all over him. He apparently is shot by, she claims, two masked men who came into their garage. She even has a, I guess what they've described as a superficial wound from one of those bullets. It grazed her, basically, so to speak. And so, yes, we've now got another very well-known... it's not a plot twist, but cover story, alibi, whatever, whatever. When you're the one who's murdered somebody, what do you do? You call 911 and you say, there's been an intruder. They were masked. We've seen this play out so much.
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Speaker 1: Everybody listening has seen this play out. Everybody listening has seen this episode of whatever show, true crime show you were watching. Robes, police show up and there's a woman with a superficial wound to her arm, who says, two masked men just broke in and they killed my husband. They didn't take anything. And they didn't kill me, a witness. Okay, so that's the story. That's what police are walking into. Then, afterwards, Robes, I can't even believe some of these details.
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Speaker 3: How is it possible that Brenda... Her two children and her new boyfriend, the insurance agent, leave town before her soon-to-be ex-husband and the father of her children's funeral after he was murdered by, she claims, masked men.
00:07:39
Speaker 2: Why would you leave? And she didn't just leave town. She left the country. Rope.
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Speaker 1: Rope, are you kidding me? At this point, they're fleeing. They're not trying to act as if.
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Speaker 2: They must have understood at that point that they were the prime suspects.
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Speaker 1: Before the funeral even started. Robes, that's almost a confirmation of your guilt.
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Speaker 2: To me, that is a confirmation of your guilt. There's no other reason why you would leave the country and not take your children to their own father's funeral.
00:08:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough, baby. So these folks are on the. As you love to say, go ahead, say it. On the lam. Yes, for three months. Three months search goes on. And the only way they weren't just caught or found, I should say, robes, they were trying to get back to the U.S.
00:08:27
Speaker 2: Do you understand why they were trying to get back in the U.S.? Because if you made it to Mexico and you're laying low for three months, right? Why even risk trying to get back into the country?
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Speaker 1: Your life is here. Your family is here. Your familiarity is here. Your friends are here. Your finance is here. Your ability to make money is here. Your language is here. Robes, you can only hang out so long in Mexico on the land without money. And from what I can tell, I guess I'm assuming here, they didn't get that 800 grand. Right, I assume they didn't get that money.
00:09:00
Speaker 2: It actually went, it officially went to the children.
00:09:03
Speaker 1: Good.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: It took some legal wrangling.
00:09:04
Speaker 1: Oh, thank God.
00:09:05
Speaker 2: But that insurance money actually did go to the children who, by the way, weren't fully able to receive it or use it until their 35th birthday. So there was actually some... Some stopgaps put in place to actually protect them from themselves, actually, at that point. But I guess at this point now, they would be probably up for getting the money because this happened 25 years ago. I don't know the exact ages of the kids, but they were young enough.
00:09:30
Speaker 1: That's a relief to hear.
00:09:32
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:09:33
Speaker 1: So the couple of the killers... Did not get this money. That's something at least. Yes.
00:09:39
Speaker 2: And the other part of this story that we failed to mention, but it's an important part of the story.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: Well, okay. You kind of giggled. This isn't funny. People are dead and there's an execution, but this is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So I already know what you're about to say.
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Speaker 2: You know where I'm going with this, right? So you actually already have Rob Andrew. He was already telling people that he... his life was in jeopardy. He actually showed folks that his brake lines were cut. So he finds out, like I believe, was it the month before his actual murder? He comes to realize that his brake line's were cut. Somebody wanted him to get in a horrific car accident. He said, he told people that he knew his wife was trying to find somebody to kill him. And it turns out she eventually did. It was the man that she was dating, but he was aware he, can you imagine knowing or believing probably that your soon to be ex-wife was was trying.
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Speaker 1: To kill you how do you sleep at night how do you sleep at night yeah but yeah this was going on he was aware a month said something was.
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Speaker 2: Coming right yes he said yeah he said my wife is trying to find somebody who will kill me for her like he knew it and here's the other thing that's another interesting part of this and it should be noted That Jim Pavotte has maintained his innocence this entire time.
00:11:15
Speaker 1: Worth noting.
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Speaker 2: For 25 years.
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Speaker 1: Worth noting.
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Speaker 2: He has denied shooting Rob Andrew. He has denied being a part of the plot to kill Rob Andrew. He has maintained his innocence and he has never wavered.
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Speaker 1: Ain't a court, ain't a judge or a jury given any credence to his claim.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
00:11:38
Speaker 1: Not at all. Robes, I don't know how they thought they were going to... What is his age now?
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Speaker 2: He's 70 years old now. So he was 45 at the time of the murder. And look, I thought it was pretty interesting because in a letter to the pardon and parole board, because he was denied clemency about a month ago.
00:11:58
Speaker 1: It was close.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was three to two, correct? Rob Andrews' brothers told the parole board that their parents... who ended up raising the children. His parents are now passed away, Rob and his parents, but they raised his children. They said, we would let the laws of the state of Oklahoma decide their fate because vengeance is not ours. Our brother is gone, and we cannot change that. But they did describe what his absence meant to the children, to their parents, and to their family. But I do think it's worth noting they were not pushing... for the death sentence. They were saying, hey, you know what? You all do what you're going to do, but vengeance is not ours. And the death of this man doesn't change the outcome.
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Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated, Robes, you know that, to hear from the families of the victims of these death row inmates and to see how they feel about it. And you know what, Robes, haven't we seen over time that they might feel some way immediately after two years after the conviction, 20 years afterwards, it can change.
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Speaker 2: It can change. But I just thought that was cool that they were not pushing for him to die. And look, he is not the only one scheduled to die. Yes, we know that Pavad is scheduled to die tomorrow, but his accomplice and the former wife of Rob Andrew, Brenda Andrew, Yeah, she is the only woman, we will tell you about it, in this state on death row. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. We are looking at another execution in Oklahoma. This one's set for 10 a.m. local time. James or Jim Pavot. I'm seeing 70 or 72. Actually, his age is changing around, but he is in his 70s. And, yes, he has been on death row for more than two decades, but so has his former girlfriend and cohort in all of this. Andrew Robb's soon-to-be, I guess now I guess officially his ex-wife, Brenda, She is also on death row. She's 62 years old, and she is the only female in the state of Oklahoma on death row. It blows my mind because, look, these two were already separated. Andrew and Brenda were already separated. They were going through a divorce. She was leaving him. She had a new boyfriend. She had a new life set up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
00:14:45
Speaker 1: Money, money, money, money, money. Greed, baby.
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Speaker 2: And for $ 800, 000... They both ended up on death row. And yes, while Jim is going to die tomorrow, Brenda, I don't know. We don't have an.
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Speaker 1: Execution date set. Don't know if it'll ever be set. She's still going through. She's had some very recent legal wranglings. She is lost, ultimately, and it still stands. But Robe, there was some back and forth with her sentence. It still stands. She's still on death row. But she's done some recent legal wrangling. But, Robe, this is one of those cases situations why what's the delay no well in this case if they both got the exact same sentence man these things should be if we got two executions tomorrow let these be the two why is she being spared and possibly how many years just i'm saying in the interest of justice and what we're talking about is what what are we doing I think it's.
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Speaker 2: A fair question to ask. And look, I don't know, would anyone be upset if the two of them ended up in the death row or the execution chamber together? At the same time. Go ahead. Put those needles in at the same time. Have them die at the same time. I don't know who would argue against that. Because, yes, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Why is Jim Pavot being executed tomorrow? And why is Brenda Andrew still on death row looking to see another day?
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Speaker 1: Again, another day. She could be seeing another month, another year. She could be seeing another decade. We don't know. They have not set an execution date. There is no way of knowing. Whatever governor decides to sign it, she might be there indefinitely. Robes, help me here with the reminder. Krista Pike was the first in 200 years, as far as women in Tennessee, to be executed. As far as the country goes, Robes, there was a trans person in what year? 21, I believe. Before that, do I have it right? Was it 2015?
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Speaker 2: It was something like that. It's been, it had been... more than 10 years i believe since a woman a biological woman was yes was sent to the death chamber and i say that because obviously krista pike did not die but we have not seen a woman executed in more than a decade.
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Speaker 1: So there's no reason to think that this one would be moved up that she's going to be executed anytime soon and how old is krista pike uh 50. 50, I believe. This woman's 62?
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Speaker 2: 62.
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Speaker 1: What is the country going to feel about a woman who's 65? Who's 70, Robes? If they try to execute her later. Even 62. Think of the 62-year-old women you know in your life. Robes! How old was she when, where we go, 20 years? She was early 40s, wasn't she?
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Speaker 2: Yes, because I know that she's been on death row since 2004. And she is... 22 years. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's early 40s, baby. That's a different woman and a different monster in your mind, at least, than a 62-year-old lady. Well, if she gets to 65 and 70, and we should mention, ropes, Gallup poll, last month, October, first time since 1971, we do not have a majority of Americans in favor of the death penalty. Obviously, Krista Pyke. Has something to do with that. Is that not right?
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Speaker 2: I would think it would have to have had an impact just to see what happened and just how hard it was to even read about, think about, hear about. And honestly, Krista Pike might have been the best thing that ever happened to Brenda Andrews if she doesn't want to die, which we often find to be the case no matter what. How terrible the conditions might be on death row or behind bars, nobody wants to die. Or at least most people do not want to die, and they will fight to see another hour, let alone another day. And Krista Pike's debacle in Tennessee may have bought Brenda Andrews a lot of time, if not plenty of time.
00:18:56
Speaker 1: We have been saying it, and now the Gallup poll, we feel validated. We cover death penalties and death row executions more than most. We've been saying for months, something. The death penalty is having a moment in this country. Yes, with Krista Pike, but that peak Hexeth shit about the live stream, it turns you off to the death penalty. Those two things, very high profile, no matter who you are, you're turned off. We're going to shoot a guy on the live stream who's in a wheelchair, and there's a woman we tortured.
00:19:33
Speaker 2: That had, what, 10 needles in her arms, had two what we thought were lethal doses of petobarbital. She nearly died but didn't quite die. She was on a ventilator. I mean, it's just awful to think about a situation like that. None of us. want that repeated, whether you're pro death penalty or not. I don't think anyone would want that to happen to another human being.
00:19:57
Speaker 1: Regardless of their crime. We're having a moment.
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Speaker 2: But Jim Pavot looks like he is headed to that death chamber in the morning. Of course, please always, You can wake up with us at 6 a.m. Eastern time, starting at 6 a.m. Eastern time. We will have our morning run up and we will get you up to speed on any new developments. And of course, we will follow the happenings there in Oklahoma in the morning. So in the meantime, we always appreciate you listening to us, everyone. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.