May 13, 2026
Hantavirus Patient Now On Life Support, As Number of Cases Grows
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RSS Feed The French woman who was medically cleared to fly home from the Hantavirus cruise ship, is now in “the final stage of supportive care” according to doctors. It is a frightening and quick turn of events, as world health officials say to expect more cases over the coming days and weeks. As of this recording, the number of suspected cases has risen to 11, with 9 confirmed cases around the world. We go over how each country is monitoring and testing passengers and any known contacts.
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Speaker 1: Folks, it is Wednesday, May thirteenth, and we wanted to give you a quick update on what's happening with the hantavirus investigation. We have increased number of cases and in one of those situations, there's a woman right now in France who is in dire even life threatening condition. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. All right, Robes, we keep getting updates every day. These are this is pretty significant. The number of cases we're talking about has gone up to eleven. We need to explain first, Robes, what the who considers an actual case. There's a reported case that then goes to a situation of being a confirmed case, but they all get lumped into being the same case. So let's start with that. Eleven cases now is what it's gone up correct.
00:00:46
Speaker 2: Nine are confirmed, eleven in total, because there are two suspected cases, and we've seen these numbers growing, the suspected cases going into the confirmed cases category, and then new suspected cases are emerging. The latest confirmed case came out of Spain, so look, the numbers are going to rise, and of significance. We heard from the World Health Organization yesterday. First of all, this always makes me nervous announcing mission accomplished. Literally they put it in writing. No they didn't, Yes they did. No, they did the banner they were yet well they put it out on X but this was in I know it was in connection to getting everyone off the ship. But I just when we hear mission accomplished and we're still in the middle of this outbreak that we're figuring out. Always just please don't tempt fate. Please don't poke fate. The bear, well, they're tempting fate.
00:01:39
Speaker 1: And it's also offensive when there's a woman on life support, right, correct, that's come on, now, Okay, we understand what they're trying to say, Robes, but everybody, this is what we've been talking about. We understand you all the doctors, you're the experts. You will understand it better than we do. But sometimes Robes, it feels like they're not taking our feelings into consideration that this is triggering.
00:01:58
Speaker 2: Yes, and this French woman who right now now, as you pointed out, is critically ill, she is on life support. Will give you the verbiage that doctors used, and it is some scary stuff. Look, this is exactly why people are on edge. You've got a woman who had been on that ship from the beginning. We don't know when she was exposed and when she got on that plane to be repatriated just a two three days ago. She was fine on the plane. She said she was feeling ill, and the doctors told her she was probably just suffering from anxiety. Hours later, she's in the intensive care unit and now she has what they call an artificial lung in a last ditch attempt to save her life. That is frightening. In a matter of hours, she went from feeling perfectly fine and being asymptomatic to now being in what they say is the final stage of supportive care.
00:02:53
Speaker 1: What's the thing? What was the flight robes? Let's they were flying them out of the Canary Islands, right, this is where she flew from. Or she flew earlier.
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Speaker 2: No, she flew from the Canario.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean, let's just geographically wait to Paris. Few hours.
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Speaker 2: It's a couple hours.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a woman that they cleared. Say, oh, you're good, and by the time she landed, she's sick. And you want us all to just take your word. I had nothing to worry about. Come on, y'all, that was pretty quick onset, and they're telling us, are they not robes that the time you're most contagious. The biggest problem is at the very beginning, when you start to show symptoms.
00:03:26
Speaker 2: When she was on that plane exactly. And look, they're saying, she has this severe form of the disease. Okay, I didn't know that there were different forms of the disease, right, And they've made it very clear that they don't know if it's mutated yet. They don't think it's mutated yet, but the operative word there is yet. So look, I understand they're trying to calm everyone's fears, but it also feels like, I think what you said is really important that it almost feels offensive given what some folks are dealing with, and certainly the fact that the world is still reeling from the COVID nine teen outbreak.
00:04:00
Speaker 1: Yes, well, just a little some. They're doctors, right, they're not mass communicators. Necessarily, everybody can't be Fauci. Right. He was good at this in the way he delivered, but we need more of that. This poor woman, And do we have an age on her?
00:04:13
Speaker 2: And now no, they haven't given any any identifying We don't know how old she is. We just know that she is a woman, and that she is a French national, and that she was fine when she got on the plane.
00:04:24
Speaker 1: And she goes from being fine y'all let her get on a plane to she is fighting for her life. This always when I hear this ros people don't come off this machine, the thing that artificial lung. We used to talk about this on GMA. I remember, Doctor Ashen. It's called an ECMO machine extra corporeal membrane oxygenation. I will never forget that because this thing literally takes your blood out of your body, puts oxygen in it, and then puts your blood back in your body. Wow, it is the most sophisticated. It is the last ditch effort to save your life because your heart and your lung are not doing what they're supposed to do in your body, and you have a machine literally doing the function. That is how serious it is. So when I heard she was on this thing, my first thought was this one's gonna die.
00:05:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:05:12
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry to say.
00:05:13
Speaker 2: It, but and that's what doctors seem like they're saying right now.
00:05:16
Speaker 1: Come off of this thing. They have no other way to treat this woman if this doesn't work, you know, and.
00:05:22
Speaker 2: That needs to be remembered because what she's going through, what her family's going through, and what the folks who've been exposed are feeling they might go through next, that's real. And there's an whole article out about the danger of calm mongering. We talked about fear mongering, scare mongering. This is called calm mongering, and that's also dangerous because it doesn't feel it doesn't feel valid, and it feels almost like they're talking down to us, like we're stupid, like we're children, and it just doesn't jibe with what we're seeing. And look, it all may be true that the risk of a pandemic or a risk of this being a widespread issue is slim to none. That's fine, But for the people who are either exposed or may have been exposed or could be exposed, there needs to be some acknowledgment of the real fear and the legitimate genuine fear that's there. I just think that's got to be acknowledging.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: And so what rogues we got the sixteen Americans in Nebraska, you got two down at Emory, but then you have people robes all over the world who are in quarantine in different places. You got people in the country here in the US who came into some kind of contact. You got people on that plane with the French woman. All these people are sitting around and waiting to get sick, and waiting to see how sick, and waiting to see if they're going to die. You remember that during COVID, yes if you would get it, and you were waiting, like shit, how sick am I going to get?
00:06:50
Speaker 2: How sick am I going to get? And look, that was a fourteen day incubation period and even much much quicker than that. That's just how long we had to quarantine. Forty two days now is what scientists are saying. You have to wait. That is a very very long time, and you have to figure out when you were actually technically or possibly exposed. It's super confusing. And by the way we'll get into this, countries are doing it very differently, and frankly, when we get into who's doing what, I'd like to move to France or Spain. But the World Health Organization said this, and this is something we all need to take into consideration. With all this calm longering. The World Health Organization said quote, we would expect more cases because, as you may remember, the first case was on April sixth, and until the report was confirmed as infectious around April twenty fourth or twenty fifth, there was a lot of interaction of the passengers because of that interrupt interaction while they were still on the ship, even as they were taking some preventative measures. We would expect more cases.
00:07:53
Speaker 1: When did that statement get put you to day? Yes, okay, this is the problem. Rhodes lead with that when it first started calm mongering. They should have been shouting, hey, look these folks were mingling. They didn't. There's making a statement now, calm down. Oh yeah, all these people were mingling around each other for all those days.
00:08:14
Speaker 2: For several weeks. Come on, and then they got off a ship and mingled with people on planes and trains and automobiles, probably grocery stores.
00:08:23
Speaker 1: This is the summer for some people because when they figure out their last contact, that's when you're forty two. Whatever days start, we it's may. Oh my goodness, folks will be sitting in the house till August.
00:08:35
Speaker 2: And that's not gonna happen. And so can I also say it don't have to do that exactly, So listen to this. In the UK they are letting twenty two passengers who have been quarantined at a hospital since they arrived from the Canary Islands to go home. Brilliant today. Guess what. In Spain and France, officials have now said every person exposed to the deadly virus must quarantine for the full incubation period.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: Must must which countryes Ran and.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Spain, UK say and go home? And guess what Here In the US of A, it was announced by the National Institutes of Health yesterday passengers will not be required to stay at facilities after they are quote unquote risk assessed. And I would just like to point out that frenchwoman, before she boarded that plane was risk assessed.
00:09:25
Speaker 1: And by the time it landed they were wrong in their risk assessment. Is that not correct? Okay? That story is the scariest one of this whole scenario because they keep telling us to calm down, everything's gonna be fine, But she is the exact issue. Because somebody's gonna be at home feeling fine, and they're gonna go to Whole Foods and they're gonna start going through produce and they're gonna check out that batch of kale. Now, I don't like that. When I'm gonna sit it back down, they're gonna be out there, robes floating around. Not even I don't think they want to do harm, of course robes. But this woman a matter of hours goes from a doctor telling her you're okay to get on this flight to near death.
00:10:09
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's exhibit A. And I'm sorry that is going to stick with us and it should. Let me ask you this, Does this make you feel better?
00:10:16
Speaker 1: Though?
00:10:17
Speaker 2: Doctor Maara JOHNA Broadhurst from this Nebraska facility where sixteen of the passengers are here.
00:10:22
Speaker 1: Was her quote machine the press conversation.
00:10:25
Speaker 2: Yes, guy, I want to emphasize, but this came yesterday, Tuesday. I want to emphasize because this is when they announced that folks were going to be able to elect We're going to be allowed to go home and self isolate. She said. I want to emphasize that every individual who has had an exposure to this virus is very well aware that symptom monitoring is very important, and that being able to access appropriate care with the appropriate infection prevention and control precautions is very important. She's saying, they all know what they're supposed to do. They know to check their temperatures twice a day, they know they need to stay near a facility where they could immediately be given care or tested. Does that make you feel any better? They've been well educated about what they should do and what they should not do.
00:11:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are usually good about following exactly doctor's orders. Yeah, sure, it's fine, Okay, fine, I know Robs, they know what they're doing and it's and we're supposed to trust them. I'm just we are we're playing a role in this as well, Robes as the public and how we behave during all this. They're telling us not to change behavior. They're telling us don't worry about a thing. I just the messaging Robes is to and it is man Fauci. We were scared as hell during COVID. We did not miss that dude speaking at a podium when it was him. If he has the stage, he's answering questions, he was direct, he was I found him to be honest and open and direct, and even Robes, if you didn't like what he was saying, he was delivering it inserting. Yes, he was good at communication. But Robes, there were nine damn people sitting up on the stage the other day giving us nine different responses something. How many times you have to see you know what, just to piggyback on that, you know, to follow up on what my colleague said. No, shut up, I need one person to tell me what's going on.
00:12:08
Speaker 2: And here's the deal. Now, when we come back, we'll talk about But we've got seven different countries with several different protocols, and then you got states, fifty states, not all those states, but you got multiple states here in the United States dealing not only with passengers coming home in the coming days, but the folks that came to contact with before they came home. There are so many different competing plans and monitoring and sets of rules and regulations. It is confusing and concerning, and frankly, we need someone to unify us. I agree with you. When we come back, we'll talk about what everybody is doing to try and contain the haunt of virus. Welcome back to Amy and TJ, where we are talking about this constantly evolving story as the world is trying to keep hauntavirus at bay for it to not spread beyond what we already know. But the numbers are growing, not significantly, but each day we're getting new cases, new confirmed cases, new reported cases. So we're now at eleven right now, and we've been talking about this French woman who is critically ill, who is on life support, and this is just one of those deeply concerning cases where she was fine when she boarded that plane on Sunday, was it? And now doctors say she is in the final stages of supportive care. Woo, that cannot be lost. That story cannot be lost on anyone.
00:13:38
Speaker 1: When they pull that out. That means we have no other options. They have no other way to treat this woman. There was no next thing. She is in bad shape. And I just wonder how old she is. I wonder if this is going to be a thing. We don't have the age on the German nationally we have died.
00:13:53
Speaker 2: Either, so we only know the Dutch couples sixty nine and seventy.
00:13:56
Speaker 1: Remind me how old was Gene Hackmans's wife. She was in our sixties or something she was.
00:14:01
Speaker 2: I believe she was much younger than Gene Hackman, but I think she was in her early mid sixties. But she seemed and looked as though she were the picture of health. I mean, she did not look like some elderly woman who hadn't taken care of herself, so it wasn't it didn't seem like that was the case for her. But look in the Nebraska facility again sixteen still there one who tested mildly positive is in a biocontainment unit still but exhibiting no symptoms, which is interesting. And in Atlanta there should be noted the person who was exhibiting symptoms. This was a couple. One of them was exhibiting symptoms. That person tested negative. So look, these folks can be heading home soon. That's the way they are describing this, and as we mentioned in the UK, they're already on their way home today now. They also did say that any of those passengers who are currently in Nebraska or at Emory in Atlanta, they can stay if they want, and they're being encouraged to stay. You think most of them are going to want to go home?
00:15:02
Speaker 1: What would you do?
00:15:03
Speaker 2: You? You know what? I think obviously you'd want to go home. I'd probably stay for a little while though, maybe stay for like a week, and then I'd probably want to go home. Yeah, what would you do?
00:15:14
Speaker 1: I'm staying? How many days we.
00:15:17
Speaker 3: Get forty two, sweetheart, I'm staying. I just need a computer, a little equipment, podcasting. I do not forty percent death rate. I Am not going to be away from the best.
00:15:33
Speaker 1: You're giving me access to the best doctors and the best facility for what I might have. I'll stick around.
00:15:39
Speaker 2: Maybe I go home to Atlanta to my parents, like really close to Emory.
00:15:42
Speaker 1: Emory's club. Still, that's a drive. I'm staying on site. Quite frankly, so are they'd be trying to kick me out. They like TJ. It's been ninety two days, it's time to go.
00:15:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. No, But and to each their own. And I think some probably will stay. That makes a lot of sense. But for those who do go back, it is a little concerning. I have to say, I don't know. We're just getting trickles and drips and drabs from state to state about which state is doing what in terms of contact tracing. But a couple states stood out here in the United States, Kansas hadn't heard about them for a while, but now they say they are monitoring three residents who had quote high risk exposure to someone with a confirmed case of the ANDES virus. They say they were in close contact with an infected person who was showing symptoms while traveling. So Kansas now has got folks now starting their forty two day yes, three of them, and they say they aren't symptomatic right now, but that is of note, that was a new development. But all three exposed to the same And then Washington State, two residents sat next to an ill cruise ship passenger who tested positive for the virus on an airplane, and another was a passenger on the ship itself. That that person is in Nebraska currently. But so Washington State now has two people who it's not just you were in close contact with someone who was exhibiting symptoms who tested positive. So you've got several people now adding to the other states that are already monitoring contact Tracy.
00:17:11
Speaker 1: And you just say they're only monitoring the people that were sitting next to Yes, yes, what about the person sitting in front of behind caddy corner across the aisle. I mean, it's scary, I think about it. I'm just use the example of a first class cabin. Those are smaller. Everybody in a first class cabin, based on their rules, fifteen minutes, six feet that's an entire cabin.
00:17:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I get overwhelmed when you start trying to put together what state is doing what, who was exposed to whom, and who's admitting it, who's explaining it, who's saying where they were and how long they were there for. It's just a lot of it is self reporting, a lot of it is your memory or I just it makes me nervous. France, it's funny. They feel like they I wouldn't think of them as being like on top of things. Just they're kind of se l've you know, we just kind of get they eat, drink and be merry and they make love not war. But I have to tell you everything coming out of France it seems very regimended, like it's impressive, and just the fact that they say, Nope, no one's going home to self isolate. We're keeping our eye on this. And then they put out a press release just a short while ago saying we've already identified twenty two contact tracing cases. We are testing and rigorously monitoring all of them. So maybe it's just their language, but everything I'm reading from France feels like I kind of want to go there. I feel safe in Paris.
00:18:33
Speaker 1: We will be there soon enough. But I mean, it's se lave when it comes to fashion and cuisine and cigarettes, not when it comes to a virus. Yes, like we're chill on.
00:18:43
Speaker 4: Something, but I was, I don't know, And maybe, like I said, it might just be the way they're saying things, but somehow they're making me feel more comfortable about how they're handling things.
00:18:54
Speaker 2: Even Spain too as well. Yeah, I just feel like we're kind of all over the place. And maybe that's not the case, but it just feels like that from the reporting and the fact that we do have so many different local jurisdictions that can handle cases as they see fit. I don't know the CDC is trying to get ahead of it. Obviously, we're not involved with the World Health Organization anymore, so it's just there's a lot of competing voices, a lot of competing headlines, and a lot of different protocols, and.
00:19:25
Speaker 1: Look, gro maybe they are. Obviously we hope they're correct, and we would have to lean on that idea. The chances are this isn't going to turn into what the last thing turned into. Correct, but we're concerned and there's legitimate reason for it, and it seems like so many doctors are telling us there's not a legitimate reason for it based on what they know, but not based on what we experience very recently.
00:19:47
Speaker 2: That's a really good way to put it.
00:19:49
Speaker 1: I just wish a little more.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: That's a little bit.
00:19:51
Speaker 1: They're doing their job. They got bigger things to worry about, of course, but that's the thing, and it this is just a fascinating story.
00:19:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously it's not as contagious, it's not going to spread as quickly, and we all get that, but it's a lot more deadly and that's what's so deeply concerning. So we will continue to monitor the latest developments for you, but we always appreciate you listening to us. I made me robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you very very soon.
Speaker 1: Folks, it is Wednesday, May thirteenth, and we wanted to give you a quick update on what's happening with the hantavirus investigation. We have increased number of cases and in one of those situations, there's a woman right now in France who is in dire even life threatening condition. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. All right, Robes, we keep getting updates every day. These are this is pretty significant. The number of cases we're talking about has gone up to eleven. We need to explain first, Robes, what the who considers an actual case. There's a reported case that then goes to a situation of being a confirmed case, but they all get lumped into being the same case. So let's start with that. Eleven cases now is what it's gone up correct.
00:00:46
Speaker 2: Nine are confirmed, eleven in total, because there are two suspected cases, and we've seen these numbers growing, the suspected cases going into the confirmed cases category, and then new suspected cases are emerging. The latest confirmed case came out of Spain, so look, the numbers are going to rise, and of significance. We heard from the World Health Organization yesterday. First of all, this always makes me nervous announcing mission accomplished. Literally they put it in writing. No they didn't, Yes they did. No, they did the banner they were yet well they put it out on X but this was in I know it was in connection to getting everyone off the ship. But I just when we hear mission accomplished and we're still in the middle of this outbreak that we're figuring out. Always just please don't tempt fate. Please don't poke fate. The bear, well, they're tempting fate.
00:01:39
Speaker 1: And it's also offensive when there's a woman on life support, right, correct, that's come on, now, Okay, we understand what they're trying to say, Robes, but everybody, this is what we've been talking about. We understand you all the doctors, you're the experts. You will understand it better than we do. But sometimes Robes, it feels like they're not taking our feelings into consideration that this is triggering.
00:01:58
Speaker 2: Yes, and this French woman who right now now, as you pointed out, is critically ill, she is on life support. Will give you the verbiage that doctors used, and it is some scary stuff. Look, this is exactly why people are on edge. You've got a woman who had been on that ship from the beginning. We don't know when she was exposed and when she got on that plane to be repatriated just a two three days ago. She was fine on the plane. She said she was feeling ill, and the doctors told her she was probably just suffering from anxiety. Hours later, she's in the intensive care unit and now she has what they call an artificial lung in a last ditch attempt to save her life. That is frightening. In a matter of hours, she went from feeling perfectly fine and being asymptomatic to now being in what they say is the final stage of supportive care.
00:02:53
Speaker 1: What's the thing? What was the flight robes? Let's they were flying them out of the Canary Islands, right, this is where she flew from. Or she flew earlier.
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Speaker 2: No, she flew from the Canario.
00:03:02
Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean, let's just geographically wait to Paris. Few hours.
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Speaker 2: It's a couple hours.
00:03:07
Speaker 1: We are talking about a woman that they cleared. Say, oh, you're good, and by the time she landed, she's sick. And you want us all to just take your word. I had nothing to worry about. Come on, y'all, that was pretty quick onset, and they're telling us, are they not robes that the time you're most contagious. The biggest problem is at the very beginning, when you start to show symptoms.
00:03:26
Speaker 2: When she was on that plane exactly. And look, they're saying, she has this severe form of the disease. Okay, I didn't know that there were different forms of the disease, right, And they've made it very clear that they don't know if it's mutated yet. They don't think it's mutated yet, but the operative word there is yet. So look, I understand they're trying to calm everyone's fears, but it also feels like, I think what you said is really important that it almost feels offensive given what some folks are dealing with, and certainly the fact that the world is still reeling from the COVID nine teen outbreak.
00:04:00
Speaker 1: Yes, well, just a little some. They're doctors, right, they're not mass communicators. Necessarily, everybody can't be Fauci. Right. He was good at this in the way he delivered, but we need more of that. This poor woman, And do we have an age on her?
00:04:13
Speaker 2: And now no, they haven't given any any identifying We don't know how old she is. We just know that she is a woman, and that she is a French national, and that she was fine when she got on the plane.
00:04:24
Speaker 1: And she goes from being fine y'all let her get on a plane to she is fighting for her life. This always when I hear this ros people don't come off this machine, the thing that artificial lung. We used to talk about this on GMA. I remember, Doctor Ashen. It's called an ECMO machine extra corporeal membrane oxygenation. I will never forget that because this thing literally takes your blood out of your body, puts oxygen in it, and then puts your blood back in your body. Wow, it is the most sophisticated. It is the last ditch effort to save your life because your heart and your lung are not doing what they're supposed to do in your body, and you have a machine literally doing the function. That is how serious it is. So when I heard she was on this thing, my first thought was this one's gonna die.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry to say.
00:05:13
Speaker 2: It, but and that's what doctors seem like they're saying right now.
00:05:16
Speaker 1: Come off of this thing. They have no other way to treat this woman if this doesn't work, you know, and.
00:05:22
Speaker 2: That needs to be remembered because what she's going through, what her family's going through, and what the folks who've been exposed are feeling they might go through next, that's real. And there's an whole article out about the danger of calm mongering. We talked about fear mongering, scare mongering. This is called calm mongering, and that's also dangerous because it doesn't feel it doesn't feel valid, and it feels almost like they're talking down to us, like we're stupid, like we're children, and it just doesn't jibe with what we're seeing. And look, it all may be true that the risk of a pandemic or a risk of this being a widespread issue is slim to none. That's fine, But for the people who are either exposed or may have been exposed or could be exposed, there needs to be some acknowledgment of the real fear and the legitimate genuine fear that's there. I just think that's got to be acknowledging.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: And so what rogues we got the sixteen Americans in Nebraska, you got two down at Emory, but then you have people robes all over the world who are in quarantine in different places. You got people in the country here in the US who came into some kind of contact. You got people on that plane with the French woman. All these people are sitting around and waiting to get sick, and waiting to see how sick, and waiting to see if they're going to die. You remember that during COVID, yes if you would get it, and you were waiting, like shit, how sick am I going to get?
00:06:50
Speaker 2: How sick am I going to get? And look, that was a fourteen day incubation period and even much much quicker than that. That's just how long we had to quarantine. Forty two days now is what scientists are saying. You have to wait. That is a very very long time, and you have to figure out when you were actually technically or possibly exposed. It's super confusing. And by the way we'll get into this, countries are doing it very differently, and frankly, when we get into who's doing what, I'd like to move to France or Spain. But the World Health Organization said this, and this is something we all need to take into consideration. With all this calm longering. The World Health Organization said quote, we would expect more cases because, as you may remember, the first case was on April sixth, and until the report was confirmed as infectious around April twenty fourth or twenty fifth, there was a lot of interaction of the passengers because of that interrupt interaction while they were still on the ship, even as they were taking some preventative measures. We would expect more cases.
00:07:53
Speaker 1: When did that statement get put you to day? Yes, okay, this is the problem. Rhodes lead with that when it first started calm mongering. They should have been shouting, hey, look these folks were mingling. They didn't. There's making a statement now, calm down. Oh yeah, all these people were mingling around each other for all those days.
00:08:14
Speaker 2: For several weeks. Come on, and then they got off a ship and mingled with people on planes and trains and automobiles, probably grocery stores.
00:08:23
Speaker 1: This is the summer for some people because when they figure out their last contact, that's when you're forty two. Whatever days start, we it's may. Oh my goodness, folks will be sitting in the house till August.
00:08:35
Speaker 2: And that's not gonna happen. And so can I also say it don't have to do that exactly, So listen to this. In the UK they are letting twenty two passengers who have been quarantined at a hospital since they arrived from the Canary Islands to go home. Brilliant today. Guess what. In Spain and France, officials have now said every person exposed to the deadly virus must quarantine for the full incubation period.
00:09:00
Speaker 1: Must must which countryes Ran and.
00:09:03
Speaker 2: Spain, UK say and go home? And guess what Here In the US of A, it was announced by the National Institutes of Health yesterday passengers will not be required to stay at facilities after they are quote unquote risk assessed. And I would just like to point out that frenchwoman, before she boarded that plane was risk assessed.
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Speaker 1: And by the time it landed they were wrong in their risk assessment. Is that not correct? Okay? That story is the scariest one of this whole scenario because they keep telling us to calm down, everything's gonna be fine, But she is the exact issue. Because somebody's gonna be at home feeling fine, and they're gonna go to Whole Foods and they're gonna start going through produce and they're gonna check out that batch of kale. Now, I don't like that. When I'm gonna sit it back down, they're gonna be out there, robes floating around. Not even I don't think they want to do harm, of course robes. But this woman a matter of hours goes from a doctor telling her you're okay to get on this flight to near death.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's exhibit A. And I'm sorry that is going to stick with us and it should. Let me ask you this, Does this make you feel better?
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Speaker 1: Though?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Maara JOHNA Broadhurst from this Nebraska facility where sixteen of the passengers are here.
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Speaker 1: Was her quote machine the press conversation.
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Speaker 2: Yes, guy, I want to emphasize, but this came yesterday, Tuesday. I want to emphasize because this is when they announced that folks were going to be able to elect We're going to be allowed to go home and self isolate. She said. I want to emphasize that every individual who has had an exposure to this virus is very well aware that symptom monitoring is very important, and that being able to access appropriate care with the appropriate infection prevention and control precautions is very important. She's saying, they all know what they're supposed to do. They know to check their temperatures twice a day, they know they need to stay near a facility where they could immediately be given care or tested. Does that make you feel any better? They've been well educated about what they should do and what they should not do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are usually good about following exactly doctor's orders. Yeah, sure, it's fine, Okay, fine, I know Robs, they know what they're doing and it's and we're supposed to trust them. I'm just we are we're playing a role in this as well, Robes as the public and how we behave during all this. They're telling us not to change behavior. They're telling us don't worry about a thing. I just the messaging Robes is to and it is man Fauci. We were scared as hell during COVID. We did not miss that dude speaking at a podium when it was him. If he has the stage, he's answering questions, he was direct, he was I found him to be honest and open and direct, and even Robes, if you didn't like what he was saying, he was delivering it inserting. Yes, he was good at communication. But Robes, there were nine damn people sitting up on the stage the other day giving us nine different responses something. How many times you have to see you know what, just to piggyback on that, you know, to follow up on what my colleague said. No, shut up, I need one person to tell me what's going on.
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Speaker 2: And here's the deal. Now, when we come back, we'll talk about But we've got seven different countries with several different protocols, and then you got states, fifty states, not all those states, but you got multiple states here in the United States dealing not only with passengers coming home in the coming days, but the folks that came to contact with before they came home. There are so many different competing plans and monitoring and sets of rules and regulations. It is confusing and concerning, and frankly, we need someone to unify us. I agree with you. When we come back, we'll talk about what everybody is doing to try and contain the haunt of virus. Welcome back to Amy and TJ, where we are talking about this constantly evolving story as the world is trying to keep hauntavirus at bay for it to not spread beyond what we already know. But the numbers are growing, not significantly, but each day we're getting new cases, new confirmed cases, new reported cases. So we're now at eleven right now, and we've been talking about this French woman who is critically ill, who is on life support, and this is just one of those deeply concerning cases where she was fine when she boarded that plane on Sunday, was it? And now doctors say she is in the final stages of supportive care. Woo, that cannot be lost. That story cannot be lost on anyone.
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Speaker 1: When they pull that out. That means we have no other options. They have no other way to treat this woman. There was no next thing. She is in bad shape. And I just wonder how old she is. I wonder if this is going to be a thing. We don't have the age on the German nationally we have died.
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Speaker 2: Either, so we only know the Dutch couples sixty nine and seventy.
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Speaker 1: Remind me how old was Gene Hackmans's wife. She was in our sixties or something she was.
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Speaker 2: I believe she was much younger than Gene Hackman, but I think she was in her early mid sixties. But she seemed and looked as though she were the picture of health. I mean, she did not look like some elderly woman who hadn't taken care of herself, so it wasn't it didn't seem like that was the case for her. But look in the Nebraska facility again sixteen still there one who tested mildly positive is in a biocontainment unit still but exhibiting no symptoms, which is interesting. And in Atlanta there should be noted the person who was exhibiting symptoms. This was a couple. One of them was exhibiting symptoms. That person tested negative. So look, these folks can be heading home soon. That's the way they are describing this, and as we mentioned in the UK, they're already on their way home today now. They also did say that any of those passengers who are currently in Nebraska or at Emory in Atlanta, they can stay if they want, and they're being encouraged to stay. You think most of them are going to want to go home?
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Speaker 1: What would you do?
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Speaker 2: You? You know what? I think obviously you'd want to go home. I'd probably stay for a little while though, maybe stay for like a week, and then I'd probably want to go home. Yeah, what would you do?
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Speaker 1: I'm staying? How many days we.
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Speaker 3: Get forty two, sweetheart, I'm staying. I just need a computer, a little equipment, podcasting. I do not forty percent death rate. I Am not going to be away from the best.
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Speaker 1: You're giving me access to the best doctors and the best facility for what I might have. I'll stick around.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I go home to Atlanta to my parents, like really close to Emory.
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Speaker 1: Emory's club. Still, that's a drive. I'm staying on site. Quite frankly, so are they'd be trying to kick me out. They like TJ. It's been ninety two days, it's time to go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. No, But and to each their own. And I think some probably will stay. That makes a lot of sense. But for those who do go back, it is a little concerning. I have to say, I don't know. We're just getting trickles and drips and drabs from state to state about which state is doing what in terms of contact tracing. But a couple states stood out here in the United States, Kansas hadn't heard about them for a while, but now they say they are monitoring three residents who had quote high risk exposure to someone with a confirmed case of the ANDES virus. They say they were in close contact with an infected person who was showing symptoms while traveling. So Kansas now has got folks now starting their forty two day yes, three of them, and they say they aren't symptomatic right now, but that is of note, that was a new development. But all three exposed to the same And then Washington State, two residents sat next to an ill cruise ship passenger who tested positive for the virus on an airplane, and another was a passenger on the ship itself. That that person is in Nebraska currently. But so Washington State now has two people who it's not just you were in close contact with someone who was exhibiting symptoms who tested positive. So you've got several people now adding to the other states that are already monitoring contact Tracy.
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Speaker 1: And you just say they're only monitoring the people that were sitting next to Yes, yes, what about the person sitting in front of behind caddy corner across the aisle. I mean, it's scary, I think about it. I'm just use the example of a first class cabin. Those are smaller. Everybody in a first class cabin, based on their rules, fifteen minutes, six feet that's an entire cabin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I get overwhelmed when you start trying to put together what state is doing what, who was exposed to whom, and who's admitting it, who's explaining it, who's saying where they were and how long they were there for. It's just a lot of it is self reporting, a lot of it is your memory or I just it makes me nervous. France, it's funny. They feel like they I wouldn't think of them as being like on top of things. Just they're kind of se l've you know, we just kind of get they eat, drink and be merry and they make love not war. But I have to tell you everything coming out of France it seems very regimended, like it's impressive, and just the fact that they say, Nope, no one's going home to self isolate. We're keeping our eye on this. And then they put out a press release just a short while ago saying we've already identified twenty two contact tracing cases. We are testing and rigorously monitoring all of them. So maybe it's just their language, but everything I'm reading from France feels like I kind of want to go there. I feel safe in Paris.
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Speaker 1: We will be there soon enough. But I mean, it's se lave when it comes to fashion and cuisine and cigarettes, not when it comes to a virus. Yes, like we're chill on.
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Speaker 4: Something, but I was, I don't know, And maybe, like I said, it might just be the way they're saying things, but somehow they're making me feel more comfortable about how they're handling things.
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Speaker 2: Even Spain too as well. Yeah, I just feel like we're kind of all over the place. And maybe that's not the case, but it just feels like that from the reporting and the fact that we do have so many different local jurisdictions that can handle cases as they see fit. I don't know the CDC is trying to get ahead of it. Obviously, we're not involved with the World Health Organization anymore, so it's just there's a lot of competing voices, a lot of competing headlines, and a lot of different protocols, and.
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Speaker 1: Look, gro maybe they are. Obviously we hope they're correct, and we would have to lean on that idea. The chances are this isn't going to turn into what the last thing turned into. Correct, but we're concerned and there's legitimate reason for it, and it seems like so many doctors are telling us there's not a legitimate reason for it based on what they know, but not based on what we experience very recently.
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Speaker 2: That's a really good way to put it.
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Speaker 1: I just wish a little more.
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Speaker 2: That's a little bit.
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Speaker 1: They're doing their job. They got bigger things to worry about, of course, but that's the thing, and it this is just a fascinating story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously it's not as contagious, it's not going to spread as quickly, and we all get that, but it's a lot more deadly and that's what's so deeply concerning. So we will continue to monitor the latest developments for you, but we always appreciate you listening to us. I made me robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you very very soon.