Nov. 10, 2025
Ghislaine Maxwell Applying for a Sentence Commutation As Democrats Detail VIP Treatment That Makes Maxwell “More of a Guest at a Trump Hotel Than a Federal Prisoner”
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RSS Feed The House Judiciary committee sent a letter to President Trump today demanding answers about special treatment of Ghislaine Maxwell after receiving what they call “whistleblower” information about Maxwell’s time at FPC Bryant, aka “Club Fed.” The letter accuses Trump of a quid pro quo agreement with Maxwell and urges the president not grant any form of clemency to “an unrepentant sex offender.”
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Monday, November tenth. The Epstein saga continues. The latest bombshell, Gallaine Maxwell is getting to play with puppies in prison. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I start with that. That is a part of a long, strongly worded letter in which folks are demanding answers from President Trump about why Glain Maxwell is chilling in prison.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one way to put it.
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Speaker 3: The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter of demands to President Trump, and it all is based on this new evidence they say they got from a whistleblower, but certainly a specific email that they say they intercepted that Glaine sent her attorney saying essentially, yes, she is preparing pieces of evidence and certainly getting ready to add asked to formally ask President Trump to commute her sentence. So Congress is saying, wait a minute, before you even consider this, we need to question you about what we're hearing is going on at FPC Federal Prison Camp Bryant these days.
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Speaker 1: That might mean they're essentially flat out saying and the line is in there flat out saying, why is she getting special privileges? And directly, I think, continuating that she's getting them because she's covering something up for you, mister president.
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Speaker 3: You actually pointed this part of the letter out, and we will get into excerpts of the letter, and they are they are bombshells, truly. But this was the headline that you saw, You said, Robes, did you read? This is what Representative Jamie Raskin, who's the leading Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, who signed this letter. This was kind of like the big accusation to President Trump. What information is miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in order to receive such outlandishly favorable treatment as a federal prisoner and convicted sex offender.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how much of this is really somebody trying to get to the bottom of this? How much of this is politics? But this just once again shows rogues when we think one part of the story has been put to rest, I didn't. Where does this come from? A whistle blower out of nowhere? This story is just another further evidence that no one will ever be satisfied with any resolution to this.
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Speaker 3: Story correct because everyone feels like they aren't getting the truth. There isn't any true transparency, and everyone is suspicious about underhanded deals going on behind the scenes. So according to this whistle blower information that House Democrats say they have. One of the ones that stood out to me. They said within the halls of FPC Bryant, a top official at the facility, has complained that he is quote sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch.
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Speaker 2: That was in a letter to the Resident.
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Speaker 1: From the head of the House Judiciary Committee. Ranking member right of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this to the President of the United States, say, hey, we need some answers because this guy over here working at this prison said he's tired of being Glaiine Maxwell's bitch. So we need to hear what's going on. This is where we are.
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Speaker 2: You can't make that up.
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Speaker 1: This is where we are.
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Speaker 3: Like that actually was in a letter sent to the President today. But among the whistleblower claims are these that Gahlaine Maxwell's meals have been customized and prepared by Federal prison camp staff and then personally delivered to her in her cell.
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Speaker 2: By longtime federal employees.
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Speaker 1: Have you heard anything. Have you heard any response as to why, because they might think some of this all right, there is a safety issue. We want to keep her away from the general population kind of a thing. Is there any defense being made like.
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Speaker 3: That, Well, not directly yet to these specific claims, but in general, anytime there have been complaints, that has been the response that her safety is an issue, that everything is being done to ensure Glene Maxwell's safety and the safety of the other prisoners.
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Speaker 2: So everyone's safety is what is being considered.
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Speaker 1: But the way he put it there with the meals, it's like it's it's more that she sounds like she's being like she has a chef there.
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Speaker 3: It sounds like she's getting filet mignon and truffle fries, probably with the glass of sauvignon blanc.
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Speaker 1: But he made it sound really bad, correct.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: The other allegation from this whistleblower is that when miss Maxwell wants to arrange a private meeting with visitors, including members of her family, the warden personally arranged it for her and then provided a special cordoned off area for visitors to arrive, as well as an assortment of snacks and refreshments for guests.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they sound very hospitable there at at the prison. I hear her has a good reputation for being one of the finest that we have.
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Speaker 3: Again this, I don't know about the assortment of snacks and refreshments assortments he did.
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Speaker 2: I'm literally quoting the letter.
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Speaker 3: I am not taking any liberties when I talk about this specifically. So look, I understand this specially cordon off area, perhaps because again of safety issues. Okay, I don't know about the snacks. Here's another allegation. Miss Maxwell's guests were permitted to bring computers, an unprecedented action by the warden given the security risk and potential for Miss Maxwell to use a computer to conduct unmonitored communications with the outside world.
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Speaker 1: Now I hear that as a pretty big no no. Again said these are his allegations with Okay, that one could be solid, And you asked the question, why is she being allowed to do it if everybody else is not correct?
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Speaker 2: Here is another allegation.
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Speaker 3: When the phone lines went down for other inmates at the camp, Miss Maxwell provided specific instructions about exactly which BOP personnel her contact should call and how those BOP personnel would then connect to relay the call to Miss Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she sounds resourceful to me. Bretty, y'all couldn't figure out how to deal with this when the phones went down, is what it sounds like. But again, how is she able to know what to do how to do it the exact she has a point to person.
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Speaker 3: Yes, there is a point in which I don't know if at one point in this letter they said that Miss Maxwell treats the Warden as her personal secretary, like her personal assistant, and that is how the warden actually acts as if she is an assistant to Miss Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Can't be treated that way. She must be performing and acting that way. She's the one in charge. That's the Are these things true about the warden? I don't know if does she have an answer to She would have to have an answer as to why she is possibly behaving in such a way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, oh right, Okay, so the next one was exactly what I was just was just kind of paraphrasing. But here's the exact wording. When Miss Maxwell wanted to review and edit documents quickly, she essentially used Warden Hall as her personal secretary and administrative assistant. Miss Maxwell's correspondence would email documents directly to the Warden, who would provide them to Miss Maxwell, who would then review and edit them and then provide them back to the warden to scan and provide to the original center for other inmates. Simple mail can just take weeks to arrive and is frequently lost.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear answers to that, and I'm curious. Yes, I am curious myself, Congressman rasking about that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, now here to your puppies.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the puppies.
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Speaker 3: An inmate who trains puppies to become service dogs was instructed to provide one to Maxwell for a time so she could play with the puppy, even though neither inmates nor staff are ordinarily allowed to pet the service dogs in training.
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Speaker 1: I went back to where we think the privilege is that Glenne Maxwell got to pet a puppy, But you have another inmate who gets the privilege of training puppies as a job. So I don't know what's happening there.
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Speaker 3: I'm not It's unclear to me as well. There is a puppy trainer, but apparently not a puppy petter.
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Speaker 1: You can't pet the puppies.
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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to pet the puppy because they're being trained to be service animals.
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Speaker 1: You know, I bet if we had more service. I mean more what they call them a therapy dog. We haven't played hospitals and places like that. How would those work in prisons?
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Speaker 3: I agree if I would think that would be something that both pets and prisoners could benefit from.
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Speaker 1: But again, here we are talking about this is the privilege that the others don't get.
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Speaker 3: So that's that's the issue at hand. Yes, and then here is another accusation. When miss Maxwell wanted to go to the prison exercise area, she was personally escorted their hours after hours by prison guards so she could work out by herself and was allowed to enjoy recreation time in staff only areas. Again, they could point to safety issues.
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Speaker 1: But i' he put this out there. Does he want real answers or is he found another way to tie President Trump get more headlines about Trump Epstein with the very clear message being she is getting this because she is hiding something for him. Is it seems to be if you're cynical and just say, hey, that's politics, and of course this is what's happening. I don't know how big of a deal some of this stuff is the accusation.
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Speaker 3: I guess the accusations don't seem so outrageous or so outlandish, but the point being, I mean, look, the wording that was used in Raskin's letter is very incendiary. This top flight luxury service has reached such a point of absurdity, and you know, just dot dot dot dot dot. But saying that these luxuries and these amenities have not been afforded to any other inmates other than Glaine Maxwell, and.
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Speaker 1: That is a problem. If the most is she not the most vicious and would be the most dangerous inmate at this prison.
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Speaker 2: She absolutely is the only non violent offender, So yes, only violent.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, she is the only violent offender in a otherwise non violent prison.
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Speaker 2: No one who is there committed a violent action.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then for every victim, for every victim's family to think that this woman is one got the privilege of going to this place, he says, now is getting there and living a life even better than some people on the outside are. That is a that's injustice. So yeah, it's legit. I would like to hear answers as well.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so what they are demanding among other things, but the big demand that Congress, or at least the Democrats at the House Judiciary Committee are demanding from the president.
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Speaker 2: They want to speak.
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Speaker 3: To it's deputy sorry, Deputy Attorney General Todd Lunch. They want to hear directly from him. They want him to be on the record, sworn in and hear directly whether or not there was anything promised to Glaine Maxwell for sitting down with him for those nine hours. And they claim repeat lies and then go on to lavish praise on President Trump that.
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Speaker 1: Part of the letter, how much I can pull the letter up of that note up quickly enough, But they're flat out saying that this was a up just so she could get on the record and exonerate you, mister president. That's right, that this was the point of this sit down, was that to her to go out of her way to exit. They use that word right, exonerate you, mister president.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 3: So he said, have you directed mister Blanche or anyone else in your administration to provide miss Maxwell with that transfer to the prison camp, favorable and preferential treatment in prison, or special accommodations for her communications and interaction with her family and the outside world. They are saying, this looks like a quid pro quo, and we want mister Blanche on the record testifying before our committee, so we can ask him these pointed questions about what you told him to do and about what he did.
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Speaker 1: Well he ever get in front of them, I don't know, but I know the last time a DOJ official got in front of a committee on Capitol Hill, well, it went explosively. That was PAMBONDI yes, right, So this is his deputy. I can't imagine her deputy. I can imagine him getting up there, and he'll be well versed in how to handle him.
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Speaker 2: Here's the deal.
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Speaker 3: Democrats do not have the power right now because they are not in power. They are not in the majority to subpoena witnesses or hold formal hearings. So they would have to get a Republican of Republicans to want to pursue this as well. That seems highly unlikely, But there have been Republicans who have also been on this side of things and want answers from the Trump administration, and have demanded answers from the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1: I hold my breath.
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Speaker 3: Their big issue, though, is this news and the actual email I have it in front of me, which is Glaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 2: Specifically acknowledging, and this is a big deal.
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Speaker 3: For the first time that she is officially putting in that commutation application. So the subject line to her attorney was commutation application, and in the emails she said, I am struggling to keep it all together as it is big and there are so many attachment. So it's clear she has been spending time in prison preparing some sort of document, some sort of file that is supposed to go to President Trump for consideration for commutation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be that's not a headline to me. Of course, I would assume she's doing everything she possibly can to get out of prison. I assume there's a formal request. You don't just put it out and have your lawyer go on TV. There's something that needs to be reviewed and taken into consideration, and I'm sure there's an equation even they plug all this stuff into So that's not a surprise. I don't know why anybody's shocked or upset, or maybe they're trying to make sure the President shuts this down immediately before the application he begins in.
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Speaker 3: So when we come back, we will talk about what Democrats we said, what they demanded. On one hand, they want to hear from Todd Blanche they want him to testify in front of their committee. But they're also asking something very specific from President Trump. And they're not asking, they're demanding. Then, and continuing our conversation around the House Judiciary letter sent to President Trump today making some serious accusations and making some significant demands, Representative Raskin said and reiterated this about Glaine Maxwell. He said, let's remember here, Gallaine Maxwell was convicted by a jury of for peers, he says, for some of the most harrowing conduct criminalized by our laws. And he said, and he brings up Virginia Giufrey because he points out that Gallainne Maxwell has denied being a part of any of this. She's denied witnessing any criminal activity, so she has admitted nothing. But this is and I actually didn't realize this. In Virginia's latest book that just came out posthumously, this is how she described Gallainne Maxwell. Gallaine Maxwell is a monster. She's worse than Epstein. She did things even worse than Epstein did. She was vicious, she was.
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Speaker 1: Evil, and we can't follow up with her because of what she experienced. What April, she took her own life. This was in Australia. What was her How old was she again?
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Speaker 2: She was I believe forty one years old? Oh yes, oh no, she was in her forties absolutely when this started. She was fourteen when Gallainne Maxwell met her.
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Speaker 1: So she has an experience and I don't know how we don't listen to her, and so we're hearing those words, we can't follow up and the only person who has all the all the details now is in a prison and playing her cards. It seems. It really does seem like I haven't put that together till this moment. But along the way she seems to be orchestrating a lot, and it seems to be short of her freedom. She seems to beginning as much as she can short of out.
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Speaker 3: Of prison right now, that's right, And in fact, look, we over the weekend had another podcast because some of her personal emails since she's been moved to this cushy federal prison camp called Club fed by a lot of folks because that's just how nice it is compared to other facilities in the area.
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Speaker 2: But we and you can go back.
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Speaker 3: It's actually a fascinating episode from over the weekend where we read all of the emails that some of which were procured by the House Judiciary Committee, the same committee that is now issuing this letter to President Trump. But NBC News also got their hands on some of these emails. So we go through all of them, but they go into a lot of details. She is admitting, she's not admitting getting preferential treatment, but she's admitting how nice it is where she is, and how happy she is where she is.
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Speaker 1: And compared to what she was experiencing somewhere else. This makes perfect sense. But again we I'm trying to make sure we're not dumping on the federal officials of any kind. They didn't design some luxury prison for celebrities. This just happens to be here, and it's a low security place, so it seems like they're almost walking around and some kind of relative trust is given to them as they walk around.
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Speaker 2: They're not violent criminals, Okay, so why call it criminals?
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Speaker 1: Yes, so it is different, It is different different, and certainly for someone who is a convicted sex offen they're doing hard time. Yeah, you are surprised that they're allowing me to have a.
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Speaker 3: Puppy, Okay, yes, and so and so to that point, this is how Raskin summed it up in what they are asking of the president, He said, you should not grant any form of clemency to this convicted and unrepentant sex offender. Your administration should not be providing her with room service, that's what he calls it, with puppies to play with, with federal law enforcement officials waiting on her every need, or with any special treatment or institutional privilege at all. It is indisputable that the order to treat miss Maxwell as an honored guest rather than a federal prisoner has come from the highest levels. Although you could reassure America today by telling us that miss Maxwell's treatment has been orchestrated by a renegade faction within the Bureau of Prisons and that you're ordering an investigation, he's saying, if it isn't you, then it's someone else, and let's go ahead and figure out who that is.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Let's work together on this president, Let's.
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Speaker 3: Find a way to come together and figure out what's behind this preferential treatment. But yes, he said that miss Maxwell has been treated more as a guest at a Trump hotel than a federal prisoner, and a child sex offender.
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Speaker 1: Really brought it home there. I guess. I know you have to write like that. It's supposed to be clever. It's not impressive. What I'm saying is we get it. And I think it is not justice for this woman to be given preferential treatment as a convicted sex affict. She shouldn't be treated any differently from any other prisoner. I think that's fair.
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Speaker 3: That's fair, but it's also questionable. Should she even be in the prison she's.
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Speaker 1: In And here's the thing, I don't know why she's there.
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Speaker 2: And there's been no explanation given, never.
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Speaker 1: Did any are even apologetic, just f oh well, nothing to say. The prison can say, yeah, we don't make comments on how we transfer for we don't talk about it. Why we have no idea how she went from doing an interview over two days to getting moved. Wasn't it the same weekend?
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Speaker 3: It was within days? Yeah, within days. And so there are demands now for answers which have not yet come. And it's been pointed out by nearly every outlet that's covered this story today and in the stories beforehand, it is absolutely true that President Trump has never once said that he was not considering pardoning Glenne Maxwell. He has always left that door open.
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Speaker 1: I mean he has he closed the door on any of them that he asked about. He didn't close it on did he did he?
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Speaker 2: Nope?
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Speaker 1: Did he did?
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Speaker 3: He?
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I cannot believe. I just did he did?
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Speaker 3: He did?
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Speaker 1: He didn't close the door on Diddy?
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Speaker 3: Did he?
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Speaker 1: Not believe? I just said that.
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Speaker 3: You know what, it's some heavy material here, so I don't mind a little bit of a laugh here. But yes, So the letter says this, the time has come to cease any koy or sly answers about granting clemency to a convicted child sex predator.
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Speaker 2: I am demanding answers.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think by Raskin Representative Raskin demanding answers that were suddenly going to get answers from President Trump. But let's see if we hear some response. There usually is a response, usually a koy sly one.
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Speaker 1: Certainly after such a strongly worded letter. This is the one that's going to get him. Trump's not going to be able to withstand just how strongly worded this letter was.
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Speaker 2: So we wait, and we will wait.
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Speaker 3: We will watch, and we will pass on any new information to all of you, but thank you so much for listening to us. Every one on Mami roboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 1: Here Snake ran
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Monday, November tenth. The Epstein saga continues. The latest bombshell, Gallaine Maxwell is getting to play with puppies in prison. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I start with that. That is a part of a long, strongly worded letter in which folks are demanding answers from President Trump about why Glain Maxwell is chilling in prison.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one way to put it.
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Speaker 3: The House Judiciary Committee sent a letter of demands to President Trump, and it all is based on this new evidence they say they got from a whistleblower, but certainly a specific email that they say they intercepted that Glaine sent her attorney saying essentially, yes, she is preparing pieces of evidence and certainly getting ready to add asked to formally ask President Trump to commute her sentence. So Congress is saying, wait a minute, before you even consider this, we need to question you about what we're hearing is going on at FPC Federal Prison Camp Bryant these days.
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Speaker 1: That might mean they're essentially flat out saying and the line is in there flat out saying, why is she getting special privileges? And directly, I think, continuating that she's getting them because she's covering something up for you, mister president.
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Speaker 3: You actually pointed this part of the letter out, and we will get into excerpts of the letter, and they are they are bombshells, truly. But this was the headline that you saw, You said, Robes, did you read? This is what Representative Jamie Raskin, who's the leading Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, who signed this letter. This was kind of like the big accusation to President Trump. What information is miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in order to receive such outlandishly favorable treatment as a federal prisoner and convicted sex offender.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how much of this is really somebody trying to get to the bottom of this? How much of this is politics? But this just once again shows rogues when we think one part of the story has been put to rest, I didn't. Where does this come from? A whistle blower out of nowhere? This story is just another further evidence that no one will ever be satisfied with any resolution to this.
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Speaker 3: Story correct because everyone feels like they aren't getting the truth. There isn't any true transparency, and everyone is suspicious about underhanded deals going on behind the scenes. So according to this whistle blower information that House Democrats say they have. One of the ones that stood out to me. They said within the halls of FPC Bryant, a top official at the facility, has complained that he is quote sick of having to be Maxwell's bitch.
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Speaker 2: That was in a letter to the Resident.
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Speaker 1: From the head of the House Judiciary Committee. Ranking member right of the House Judiciary Committee wrote this to the President of the United States, say, hey, we need some answers because this guy over here working at this prison said he's tired of being Glaiine Maxwell's bitch. So we need to hear what's going on. This is where we are.
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Speaker 2: You can't make that up.
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Speaker 1: This is where we are.
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Speaker 3: Like that actually was in a letter sent to the President today. But among the whistleblower claims are these that Gahlaine Maxwell's meals have been customized and prepared by Federal prison camp staff and then personally delivered to her in her cell.
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Speaker 2: By longtime federal employees.
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Speaker 1: Have you heard anything. Have you heard any response as to why, because they might think some of this all right, there is a safety issue. We want to keep her away from the general population kind of a thing. Is there any defense being made like.
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Speaker 3: That, Well, not directly yet to these specific claims, but in general, anytime there have been complaints, that has been the response that her safety is an issue, that everything is being done to ensure Glene Maxwell's safety and the safety of the other prisoners.
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Speaker 2: So everyone's safety is what is being considered.
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Speaker 1: But the way he put it there with the meals, it's like it's it's more that she sounds like she's being like she has a chef there.
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Speaker 3: It sounds like she's getting filet mignon and truffle fries, probably with the glass of sauvignon blanc.
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Speaker 1: But he made it sound really bad, correct.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: The other allegation from this whistleblower is that when miss Maxwell wants to arrange a private meeting with visitors, including members of her family, the warden personally arranged it for her and then provided a special cordoned off area for visitors to arrive, as well as an assortment of snacks and refreshments for guests.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they sound very hospitable there at at the prison. I hear her has a good reputation for being one of the finest that we have.
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Speaker 3: Again this, I don't know about the assortment of snacks and refreshments assortments he did.
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Speaker 2: I'm literally quoting the letter.
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Speaker 3: I am not taking any liberties when I talk about this specifically. So look, I understand this specially cordon off area, perhaps because again of safety issues. Okay, I don't know about the snacks. Here's another allegation. Miss Maxwell's guests were permitted to bring computers, an unprecedented action by the warden given the security risk and potential for Miss Maxwell to use a computer to conduct unmonitored communications with the outside world.
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Speaker 1: Now I hear that as a pretty big no no. Again said these are his allegations with Okay, that one could be solid, And you asked the question, why is she being allowed to do it if everybody else is not correct?
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Speaker 2: Here is another allegation.
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Speaker 3: When the phone lines went down for other inmates at the camp, Miss Maxwell provided specific instructions about exactly which BOP personnel her contact should call and how those BOP personnel would then connect to relay the call to Miss Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she sounds resourceful to me. Bretty, y'all couldn't figure out how to deal with this when the phones went down, is what it sounds like. But again, how is she able to know what to do how to do it the exact she has a point to person.
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Speaker 3: Yes, there is a point in which I don't know if at one point in this letter they said that Miss Maxwell treats the Warden as her personal secretary, like her personal assistant, and that is how the warden actually acts as if she is an assistant to Miss Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Can't be treated that way. She must be performing and acting that way. She's the one in charge. That's the Are these things true about the warden? I don't know if does she have an answer to She would have to have an answer as to why she is possibly behaving in such a way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, oh right, Okay, so the next one was exactly what I was just was just kind of paraphrasing. But here's the exact wording. When Miss Maxwell wanted to review and edit documents quickly, she essentially used Warden Hall as her personal secretary and administrative assistant. Miss Maxwell's correspondence would email documents directly to the Warden, who would provide them to Miss Maxwell, who would then review and edit them and then provide them back to the warden to scan and provide to the original center for other inmates. Simple mail can just take weeks to arrive and is frequently lost.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear answers to that, and I'm curious. Yes, I am curious myself, Congressman rasking about that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, now here to your puppies.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the puppies.
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Speaker 3: An inmate who trains puppies to become service dogs was instructed to provide one to Maxwell for a time so she could play with the puppy, even though neither inmates nor staff are ordinarily allowed to pet the service dogs in training.
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Speaker 1: I went back to where we think the privilege is that Glenne Maxwell got to pet a puppy, But you have another inmate who gets the privilege of training puppies as a job. So I don't know what's happening there.
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Speaker 3: I'm not It's unclear to me as well. There is a puppy trainer, but apparently not a puppy petter.
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Speaker 1: You can't pet the puppies.
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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to pet the puppy because they're being trained to be service animals.
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Speaker 1: You know, I bet if we had more service. I mean more what they call them a therapy dog. We haven't played hospitals and places like that. How would those work in prisons?
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Speaker 3: I agree if I would think that would be something that both pets and prisoners could benefit from.
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Speaker 1: But again, here we are talking about this is the privilege that the others don't get.
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Speaker 3: So that's that's the issue at hand. Yes, and then here is another accusation. When miss Maxwell wanted to go to the prison exercise area, she was personally escorted their hours after hours by prison guards so she could work out by herself and was allowed to enjoy recreation time in staff only areas. Again, they could point to safety issues.
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Speaker 1: But i' he put this out there. Does he want real answers or is he found another way to tie President Trump get more headlines about Trump Epstein with the very clear message being she is getting this because she is hiding something for him. Is it seems to be if you're cynical and just say, hey, that's politics, and of course this is what's happening. I don't know how big of a deal some of this stuff is the accusation.
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Speaker 3: I guess the accusations don't seem so outrageous or so outlandish, but the point being, I mean, look, the wording that was used in Raskin's letter is very incendiary. This top flight luxury service has reached such a point of absurdity, and you know, just dot dot dot dot dot. But saying that these luxuries and these amenities have not been afforded to any other inmates other than Glaine Maxwell, and.
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Speaker 1: That is a problem. If the most is she not the most vicious and would be the most dangerous inmate at this prison.
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Speaker 2: She absolutely is the only non violent offender, So yes, only violent.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, she is the only violent offender in a otherwise non violent prison.
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Speaker 2: No one who is there committed a violent action.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then for every victim, for every victim's family to think that this woman is one got the privilege of going to this place, he says, now is getting there and living a life even better than some people on the outside are. That is a that's injustice. So yeah, it's legit. I would like to hear answers as well.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so what they are demanding among other things, but the big demand that Congress, or at least the Democrats at the House Judiciary Committee are demanding from the president.
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Speaker 2: They want to speak.
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Speaker 3: To it's deputy sorry, Deputy Attorney General Todd Lunch. They want to hear directly from him. They want him to be on the record, sworn in and hear directly whether or not there was anything promised to Glaine Maxwell for sitting down with him for those nine hours. And they claim repeat lies and then go on to lavish praise on President Trump that.
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Speaker 1: Part of the letter, how much I can pull the letter up of that note up quickly enough, But they're flat out saying that this was a up just so she could get on the record and exonerate you, mister president. That's right, that this was the point of this sit down, was that to her to go out of her way to exit. They use that word right, exonerate you, mister president.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 3: So he said, have you directed mister Blanche or anyone else in your administration to provide miss Maxwell with that transfer to the prison camp, favorable and preferential treatment in prison, or special accommodations for her communications and interaction with her family and the outside world. They are saying, this looks like a quid pro quo, and we want mister Blanche on the record testifying before our committee, so we can ask him these pointed questions about what you told him to do and about what he did.
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Speaker 1: Well he ever get in front of them, I don't know, but I know the last time a DOJ official got in front of a committee on Capitol Hill, well, it went explosively. That was PAMBONDI yes, right, So this is his deputy. I can't imagine her deputy. I can imagine him getting up there, and he'll be well versed in how to handle him.
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Speaker 2: Here's the deal.
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Speaker 3: Democrats do not have the power right now because they are not in power. They are not in the majority to subpoena witnesses or hold formal hearings. So they would have to get a Republican of Republicans to want to pursue this as well. That seems highly unlikely, But there have been Republicans who have also been on this side of things and want answers from the Trump administration, and have demanded answers from the Trump administration.
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Speaker 1: I hold my breath.
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Speaker 3: Their big issue, though, is this news and the actual email I have it in front of me, which is Glaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 2: Specifically acknowledging, and this is a big deal.
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Speaker 3: For the first time that she is officially putting in that commutation application. So the subject line to her attorney was commutation application, and in the emails she said, I am struggling to keep it all together as it is big and there are so many attachment. So it's clear she has been spending time in prison preparing some sort of document, some sort of file that is supposed to go to President Trump for consideration for commutation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be that's not a headline to me. Of course, I would assume she's doing everything she possibly can to get out of prison. I assume there's a formal request. You don't just put it out and have your lawyer go on TV. There's something that needs to be reviewed and taken into consideration, and I'm sure there's an equation even they plug all this stuff into So that's not a surprise. I don't know why anybody's shocked or upset, or maybe they're trying to make sure the President shuts this down immediately before the application he begins in.
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Speaker 3: So when we come back, we will talk about what Democrats we said, what they demanded. On one hand, they want to hear from Todd Blanche they want him to testify in front of their committee. But they're also asking something very specific from President Trump. And they're not asking, they're demanding. Then, and continuing our conversation around the House Judiciary letter sent to President Trump today making some serious accusations and making some significant demands, Representative Raskin said and reiterated this about Glaine Maxwell. He said, let's remember here, Gallaine Maxwell was convicted by a jury of for peers, he says, for some of the most harrowing conduct criminalized by our laws. And he said, and he brings up Virginia Giufrey because he points out that Gallainne Maxwell has denied being a part of any of this. She's denied witnessing any criminal activity, so she has admitted nothing. But this is and I actually didn't realize this. In Virginia's latest book that just came out posthumously, this is how she described Gallainne Maxwell. Gallaine Maxwell is a monster. She's worse than Epstein. She did things even worse than Epstein did. She was vicious, she was.
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Speaker 1: Evil, and we can't follow up with her because of what she experienced. What April, she took her own life. This was in Australia. What was her How old was she again?
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Speaker 2: She was I believe forty one years old? Oh yes, oh no, she was in her forties absolutely when this started. She was fourteen when Gallainne Maxwell met her.
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Speaker 1: So she has an experience and I don't know how we don't listen to her, and so we're hearing those words, we can't follow up and the only person who has all the all the details now is in a prison and playing her cards. It seems. It really does seem like I haven't put that together till this moment. But along the way she seems to be orchestrating a lot, and it seems to be short of her freedom. She seems to beginning as much as she can short of out.
00:16:05
Speaker 3: Of prison right now, that's right, And in fact, look, we over the weekend had another podcast because some of her personal emails since she's been moved to this cushy federal prison camp called Club fed by a lot of folks because that's just how nice it is compared to other facilities in the area.
00:16:23
Speaker 2: But we and you can go back.
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Speaker 3: It's actually a fascinating episode from over the weekend where we read all of the emails that some of which were procured by the House Judiciary Committee, the same committee that is now issuing this letter to President Trump. But NBC News also got their hands on some of these emails. So we go through all of them, but they go into a lot of details. She is admitting, she's not admitting getting preferential treatment, but she's admitting how nice it is where she is, and how happy she is where she is.
00:16:51
Speaker 1: And compared to what she was experiencing somewhere else. This makes perfect sense. But again we I'm trying to make sure we're not dumping on the federal officials of any kind. They didn't design some luxury prison for celebrities. This just happens to be here, and it's a low security place, so it seems like they're almost walking around and some kind of relative trust is given to them as they walk around.
00:17:16
Speaker 2: They're not violent criminals, Okay, so why call it criminals?
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Speaker 1: Yes, so it is different, It is different different, and certainly for someone who is a convicted sex offen they're doing hard time. Yeah, you are surprised that they're allowing me to have a.
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Speaker 3: Puppy, Okay, yes, and so and so to that point, this is how Raskin summed it up in what they are asking of the president, He said, you should not grant any form of clemency to this convicted and unrepentant sex offender. Your administration should not be providing her with room service, that's what he calls it, with puppies to play with, with federal law enforcement officials waiting on her every need, or with any special treatment or institutional privilege at all. It is indisputable that the order to treat miss Maxwell as an honored guest rather than a federal prisoner has come from the highest levels. Although you could reassure America today by telling us that miss Maxwell's treatment has been orchestrated by a renegade faction within the Bureau of Prisons and that you're ordering an investigation, he's saying, if it isn't you, then it's someone else, and let's go ahead and figure out who that is.
00:18:28
Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Let's work together on this president, Let's.
00:18:31
Speaker 3: Find a way to come together and figure out what's behind this preferential treatment. But yes, he said that miss Maxwell has been treated more as a guest at a Trump hotel than a federal prisoner, and a child sex offender.
00:18:47
Speaker 1: Really brought it home there. I guess. I know you have to write like that. It's supposed to be clever. It's not impressive. What I'm saying is we get it. And I think it is not justice for this woman to be given preferential treatment as a convicted sex affict. She shouldn't be treated any differently from any other prisoner. I think that's fair.
00:19:05
Speaker 3: That's fair, but it's also questionable. Should she even be in the prison she's.
00:19:08
Speaker 1: In And here's the thing, I don't know why she's there.
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Speaker 2: And there's been no explanation given, never.
00:19:14
Speaker 1: Did any are even apologetic, just f oh well, nothing to say. The prison can say, yeah, we don't make comments on how we transfer for we don't talk about it. Why we have no idea how she went from doing an interview over two days to getting moved. Wasn't it the same weekend?
00:19:31
Speaker 3: It was within days? Yeah, within days. And so there are demands now for answers which have not yet come. And it's been pointed out by nearly every outlet that's covered this story today and in the stories beforehand, it is absolutely true that President Trump has never once said that he was not considering pardoning Glenne Maxwell. He has always left that door open.
00:19:58
Speaker 1: I mean he has he closed the door on any of them that he asked about. He didn't close it on did he did he?
00:20:02
Speaker 2: Nope?
00:20:02
Speaker 1: Did he did?
00:20:03
Speaker 3: He?
00:20:03
Speaker 1: Sorry, I cannot believe. I just did he did?
00:20:05
Speaker 3: He did?
00:20:05
Speaker 1: He didn't close the door on Diddy?
00:20:07
Speaker 3: Did he?
00:20:07
Speaker 1: Not believe? I just said that.
00:20:10
Speaker 3: You know what, it's some heavy material here, so I don't mind a little bit of a laugh here. But yes, So the letter says this, the time has come to cease any koy or sly answers about granting clemency to a convicted child sex predator.
00:20:24
Speaker 2: I am demanding answers.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think by Raskin Representative Raskin demanding answers that were suddenly going to get answers from President Trump. But let's see if we hear some response. There usually is a response, usually a koy sly one.
00:20:40
Speaker 1: Certainly after such a strongly worded letter. This is the one that's going to get him. Trump's not going to be able to withstand just how strongly worded this letter was.
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Speaker 2: So we wait, and we will wait.
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Speaker 3: We will watch, and we will pass on any new information to all of you, but thank you so much for listening to us. Every one on Mami roboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 1: Here Snake ran