March 20, 2026
Georgia Woman Charged with Murder After Taking Abortion Pills
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RSS Feed 31-year-old Alexia Moore is behind bars charged with felony murder, after going to the hospital in pain, admitting to staff she took online abortion pills to end her pregnancy. Georgia law bans most abortions after 6 weeks, but police say Moore was between 22 and 24 weeks pregnant when she took the pills that are only meant to be taken to terminate pregnancies of 10 weeks or less. The details of this case are tough to hear, but Moore wound up giving birth to the baby girl in the hospital, who died an hour later. Now the DA must decide whether to prosecute Moore, which would make this the first time a woman would face murder charges for an abortion in the state of Georgia.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, March twenty eighth, and a woman in Georgia is sitting in jail as we speak, and she is facing charges for killing her own child through a botched self given abortion. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This is a rare and almost first of its kind potentially case. But that is what this woman is accused of doing, trying to give herself terminate her own pregnancy.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Correct, and look, this goes back to a twenty nineteen law where Georgia band most abortions once a heartbeat can be detected. In this case, you have a thirty one year old woman, her name is Alexia Moore, charged with felony murder because she online she claims purchased what would be called an abortion pill basically and tried to conduct an abortion on her own and realize pretty quickly when she got inextcresciating pain that it didn't work and she had to do something.
00:01:05
Speaker 1: And that's the reason we know it because you had to go to a hoste.
00:01:07
Speaker 2: She had to go to the emergency room. She needed to get medical attention.
00:01:10
Speaker 1: And so rolan And as awful as this is, and it sounds, she went to the hospital and gave birth, don't have that correct, And the baby only survived a short time. But she went to the hospital and gave birth, is what the prosecutors, the police right now are a lenin.
00:01:26
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is a tough story, no matter where you fall on the abortion debate, this is a tough story. So according to the arrest weren't We're getting all of our information from the court documents, but medical records are estimating that Alexi Moore was between twenty two and twenty four weeks pregnant. That's significant because most medical officials will tell you twenty four weeks is the demarcation line of viability for a fetus outside of a mother's womb. So she was They say she was within the threshold a viability, which is even more significant. She was way beyond the six weeks is the point that lawmakers are making, or at least that police were making when coming up with this felony murder charge.
00:02:12
Speaker 1: So there so two things there robes One, Yes, the law says it can't be administered after six weeks, which I understand most women don't even realize they're pregnant after six weeks a lot of times. Okay, the law is restrictive. But the other thing Robes that happened to hear with her is that the medicine she took is specifically stated it's only supposed to be taken up to a certain point, a point that she, according to the law enforcement, was way beyond.
00:02:38
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:02:38
Speaker 2: So the name of the drug, and I hope I say it right, meso prostal meso prostyal is the best way I could maybe describe it. But that is a very common abortion pill. But yes, as you point out, it's used and it's FDA approved to induce abortion during the first ten weeks of pregnancy. And yes, she seemed to be more than double that time along.
00:03:05
Speaker 1: And she took it. They say she also tried to take some pain oxycoation. Now, is your understanding she was taking that for herself or is that a part of the.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: Abort Okay, So she according to the court record, she actually told police that she got the abortion pills online and then got the opioid from a relative who had an oxycodone prescription. So, yes, she was in pain. She was experiencing extreme abdominal cramping because look, she tried to take a medicine that wasn't applicable to her medical condition in the sense that she was much further along, so this pill was not And oftentimes this pill is taken in conjunction with another pill, so it's usually a cocktail of pills.
00:03:46
Speaker 3: And look, these are.
00:03:47
Speaker 2: Things that should be administered by a physician once you've been seen by this physician and they examine you and determined this would be the best course of action. So obviously she is doing this online, doing this in a state that doesn't allow this to occur. So there were a lot of reasons why she ended up in the hospital. And yes, according to according to the court records, the fetus survived or the baby survived for an hour after she gave birth to it was a little girl.
00:04:19
Speaker 1: It was a baby girl at this point, right, that's a good way to I mean, Robes, you said it. We're not talking about a fetus, We're talking about a baby, and we're talking about now an issue. This is not this is no longer a case. And there are some folks out there who absolutely think these laws are atrocious. But Robes, you get to that point, you are talking about they argue a human being, you're talking about a human being who is now whose life has been terminated intentionally. This even goes beyond right, I know, there's debate about when heartbeats and when life actually begins. Yeah, this is a this is an awful one day.
00:04:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's tough because and look, this is a big deal because if the prosecutors decide to go forward with this case, this would be the first case of a woman being prosecuted for murder for terminating a pregnancy in this state of Georgia. Now, other states have charged women who've had abortions with murder or even attempted murder, but few, if any, of those prosecutions have advanced outside of the initial charges being brought. So a lot of folks are looking at this case because, yes, as you pointed out, Alexia Moore right now as we are recording this is sitting in prison. She has been in prison since the beginning of this month. She has a hearing scheduled for Monday. But this is something that a lot of folks are looking to see what is.
00:05:38
Speaker 3: Going to happen going forward.
00:05:39
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the twenty nineteen law on the books in the state of Georgia.
00:05:43
Speaker 3: Of course, in twenty twenty two, we know that Roe v.
00:05:44
Speaker 2: Wade was overturned, so that's all been established, but there hasn't really been a follow through in terms of seeing police and then prosecutors pursue cases against women who still attempt or are successful at having abortions.
00:06:00
Speaker 1: I can remember the organization that did the count, and you might have it on your sheet there in front of you. But we have seen in the past couple of years and the hundreds women have been all over the country charge I believe it was around two hundred.
00:06:11
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ten women at least yeah have been charged with crimes related to their pregnancies, is how they put it. And they say mostly with drug related charges. But that you know, we've seen hundreds of women, but nothing at this level where you actually are now facing a felony murder charge for this woman. And look, there are some details coming out about what happened in that hospital. She said that she told the nurses, I know my infant is suffering because I am the one who did the abortion.
00:06:43
Speaker 3: I want her to die.
00:06:45
Speaker 2: That is a direct quote from the court records that that is what Alexia Moore told the nursing staff when she got to the hospital.
00:06:53
Speaker 1: You're wrong, there's I have so many questions. It just I mean, she knew she was pregnant, When does she make the decision? Why does she decide to do it this late? That something changed even in her life. She thought the circumstances were going to be one thing, and it turns out she wasn't going to have the support or the job or something. Don't know what happened the rodes. I'm looking at the it it was hard to keep up. I'm trying to see what her options were. Where do you go? All the states kind that are surrounding her either have bands or you can't get one after six weeks. I don't know those robes. There aren't a lot of places where you look at twenty that is not the robes. I mean, now it's getting a little trickier in this conversation.
00:07:35
Speaker 2: I have chills just thinking about it, because, yes, the abortion debate, a lot of folks have very strong positions, either for or against, But there are a lot of people who are in the middle ground, saying, well, you know, if it was the case of incest or rape, you know, then there should be more options threat to a mother's life. Almost everyone, there are a few outliers agree that that would be an exception, that almost everybody would be for choosing the mother's life versus the fetus's life. But then you've got this area where even beyond a heartbeat, you've got viability. And so I remember when I was pregnant, it was this threshold to get to. If I could get to twenty four weeks, I could kind of breathe a sigh of relief. Not that you have a guaranteed outcome that your child would survive anything, but when you're pregnant, you're always worried about making sure you get past twenty four weeks because that is when an infant can survive in most circumstances outside of the mother's womb. So if this thirty one year old, her name's Alexia Moore again, if she was at twenty four weeks, that's tough, and she took abortion pills a that is it's just hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine what was going on in her body, what was happening to that fetus. And that's why this case has resulted with the charges it's resulted in did they.
00:08:58
Speaker 1: Get more of a range. We're saying, here was it they did they estimate do they have more pysiicals?
00:09:03
Speaker 2: They had to estimate between twenty two and twenty four weeks. That was the range they gave it a too. And look, even when you're pregnant, they always give you a range. They're not always exactly sure how far along you are. But that's pretty specific, and that is right on the line of where very a medical argument could be made that that fetus had a chance at surviving outside of the mother's womb. And look, she's not only being charged with felony murder, she's also facing drug charges because of the oxy codone that she had in her system as well. And upon the toxicology reports from the baby girl, they did detect oxy codone in her blood, So that is also part of the charges or among the charges that this woman is facing right now. And this was also just interesting. This is what they put in the court documents. The fetus was quote a human being who was born alive and survived for one hour. Under Georgia law, the victim became a person at the moment of birth.
00:10:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes take me out of any debate about abortion rights in this country. That just makes sense to most people. But is that not common sense? A child was born, that child was breathing, Yes, that child was alive, that child had a heartbeat, and that child died because of the behavior of the mother. I don't know, we'll see, I don't we don't have we don't know for sure. She has been arrested and charged by police in that local municipality, But state officials are going to have to make a call on this. So will they go through with this?
00:10:39
Speaker 2: Yes, well, look on Monday, she has a hearing and the DA will then have to decide whether or not he wants to prosecute. But in Georgia, according to all the reports I've seen, he's going to need to first get an indictment from a grand jury, which I think makes a lot of sense. So you've got a jury of your peers listening to all the evidence, reviewing state law, and deciding whether or not to go forward with this felony murder charge along with some of the other charges. So that is likely going to the process. That is likely going to be the process going forward. But when we come back, we're going to tell you where Americans stand on this issue. This is a very divisive, obviously politically charged issue, and just how many arrests have been made in this country since Roe v. Wade was overturned in twenty twenty two. And and welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about a bell Weather case potentially in the state of Georgia, where a thirty one year old woman, Alexia Moore is sitting behind bars today. She is charged right now with felony murder after she attempted and abortion officials estimate she was between twenty two and twenty four weeks pregnant. She took a pill that she got from online from an online resource that is meant to be an abortion pill, but only for pregnancies ten weeks and under. Ultimately the baby girl was delivered and she died about an hour later. And now prosecutors are determining whether or not to pursue this case. But right now more is behind bars. And look, this is the last poll. The economists in Yugo did a poll a few years ago about where Americans stand on prosecuting women who either have an abortion or attempt an abortion, and whether or not they should be prosecuted. In the states where it is illegal. And are you surprised by this? Nineteen percent said a woman who has had an abortion that violates state law should be charged with murder, should be period. Yes, that's it's not quite a quarter of Americans, but that's a that's a pretty high number.
00:13:03
Speaker 3: Higher than I would have thought.
00:13:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I was. I thought it might have been might have been higher for some reason. I was, I don't know it. I was expected to be higher. And I guess ropes when it comes to this. There are so many circumstances I think need to be considered. And maybe that is where because people their circumstances, their home life, their relationships there in finance, all these things kind of play into I mean, how young lady was raised, what she was surrounded by, the example she had, All of this stuff I think should factor in in some way, and it shouldn't just be a blanket charging with murder.
00:13:42
Speaker 2: Yes, And there's like you pointed this out before we went to break there was a lot we don't know about this. I was wondering, just as a woman, as a human, if this law hadn't been on the books in Georgia, if Roe v. Wade had not been overturned in twenty twenty two. Would she have saw remedy for being pregnant earlier? Would she have felt comfortable going to an abortion clinic right away or going to her doctor and getting an abortion pill right away as soon as she found out she was pregnant? Did she wait because she didn't know what to do, because she didn't have a lot of options. Then she panicked, she went online, tried to see what she could do on her own. I mean, this is all possible that that could have been contributing to her decision to do what she did as late as she did it.
00:14:30
Speaker 3: We just don't know.
00:14:31
Speaker 1: We don't And but it's the details and the reading of that police report pretty horrific stuff.
00:14:38
Speaker 2: It's tough, it's tough to stomach, and you know, you were saying, there are so many there's so many cases where this is in the gray area. Interestingly, twenty six percent of Americans polled said they were unsure whether or not they thought a woman should be prosecuted with murder charges, and the overwhelming number fifty four percent of Americans said that a woman should not be charged with murder if she has an abortion in a state that says it's against the law. And that's interesting because, look, the point being is the whole purpose of having a law is to enforce it. What's the point of having a law if it isn't enforceable. And so far up until this we really haven't seen the law that so many laws that we've seen passed in multiple states, and certainly federally it's an issue as well, we haven't really seen the follow through the enforcement of some of these laws that have been voted into being.
00:15:35
Speaker 1: Some of them are kind of, if not new, newly allowed, meaning that like the one in Georgia, it was just sitting there kind of dormant until the Supreme Court mate its decision, and once they overturned Robie Wade, all these laws automatically just went into place on the books, and this was one of them. Now this is going to be the first test of it. I'm really curious to see what they're going to do in Georgia, what the state prosecutor is going to do, What is the state going to demand, because when you hear the details of this story, it might be difficult for a prosecutor who might have to run for something down the road to justify not charging a woman. Once people hear these details, which are just no matter what your human being, baby, that's it's tough to stomach this.
00:16:23
Speaker 2: This one was tough and if you make a good point, if there was any case to actually follow through and prosecute it, it might be this one.
00:16:33
Speaker 3: This one is a really tough one.
00:16:35
Speaker 2: And just thinking about the feet of suffering, thinking about you know, what that little girl might have actually felt, or what that baby went through by her taking those pills.
00:16:49
Speaker 1: Say that what that baby felt, what that baby went through, but what that baby could have been, but the baby could have become who that baby could have become rights, that's a human being. That as an awful story. The circumstances, I'm sure they are very heartbreaking as well when you probably look into this young woman's background and why she ended up in this desperate place. But Bavid, yeah, this is and some people have come out already. I mean, to be expected, those folks who are abortion rights advocates, I suppose just immediately came out in defense and saying she shouldn't be charged with murder. It sounds so punitive. Robes. Woman's just just wanted to find a place for an abortion and now she's charged with murder. Is how some people will hear. Absolutely that's a shame. But then some of the details you hear and you're then you go the other way.
00:17:42
Speaker 2: This is a tough one. We will be watching it as so many other states. You know, so many of the other states are going to be watching this case to see not only what the DA decides to do, but then what the outcome will be ultimately for this woman. But this, I'm sure, unfortunately, will not be the last case like this. We will continue to follow this as something certainly to watch in the meantime that we do appreciate you listening to us, every one. I made me roboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, March twenty eighth, and a woman in Georgia is sitting in jail as we speak, and she is facing charges for killing her own child through a botched self given abortion. With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This is a rare and almost first of its kind potentially case. But that is what this woman is accused of doing, trying to give herself terminate her own pregnancy.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Correct, and look, this goes back to a twenty nineteen law where Georgia band most abortions once a heartbeat can be detected. In this case, you have a thirty one year old woman, her name is Alexia Moore, charged with felony murder because she online she claims purchased what would be called an abortion pill basically and tried to conduct an abortion on her own and realize pretty quickly when she got inextcresciating pain that it didn't work and she had to do something.
00:01:05
Speaker 1: And that's the reason we know it because you had to go to a hoste.
00:01:07
Speaker 2: She had to go to the emergency room. She needed to get medical attention.
00:01:10
Speaker 1: And so rolan And as awful as this is, and it sounds, she went to the hospital and gave birth, don't have that correct, And the baby only survived a short time. But she went to the hospital and gave birth, is what the prosecutors, the police right now are a lenin.
00:01:26
Speaker 2: Yes, So this is a tough story, no matter where you fall on the abortion debate, this is a tough story. So according to the arrest weren't We're getting all of our information from the court documents, but medical records are estimating that Alexi Moore was between twenty two and twenty four weeks pregnant. That's significant because most medical officials will tell you twenty four weeks is the demarcation line of viability for a fetus outside of a mother's womb. So she was They say she was within the threshold a viability, which is even more significant. She was way beyond the six weeks is the point that lawmakers are making, or at least that police were making when coming up with this felony murder charge.
00:02:12
Speaker 1: So there so two things there robes One, Yes, the law says it can't be administered after six weeks, which I understand most women don't even realize they're pregnant after six weeks a lot of times. Okay, the law is restrictive. But the other thing Robes that happened to hear with her is that the medicine she took is specifically stated it's only supposed to be taken up to a certain point, a point that she, according to the law enforcement, was way beyond.
00:02:38
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:02:38
Speaker 2: So the name of the drug, and I hope I say it right, meso prostal meso prostyal is the best way I could maybe describe it. But that is a very common abortion pill. But yes, as you point out, it's used and it's FDA approved to induce abortion during the first ten weeks of pregnancy. And yes, she seemed to be more than double that time along.
00:03:05
Speaker 1: And she took it. They say she also tried to take some pain oxycoation. Now, is your understanding she was taking that for herself or is that a part of the.
00:03:13
Speaker 2: Abort Okay, So she according to the court record, she actually told police that she got the abortion pills online and then got the opioid from a relative who had an oxycodone prescription. So, yes, she was in pain. She was experiencing extreme abdominal cramping because look, she tried to take a medicine that wasn't applicable to her medical condition in the sense that she was much further along, so this pill was not And oftentimes this pill is taken in conjunction with another pill, so it's usually a cocktail of pills.
00:03:46
Speaker 3: And look, these are.
00:03:47
Speaker 2: Things that should be administered by a physician once you've been seen by this physician and they examine you and determined this would be the best course of action. So obviously she is doing this online, doing this in a state that doesn't allow this to occur. So there were a lot of reasons why she ended up in the hospital. And yes, according to according to the court records, the fetus survived or the baby survived for an hour after she gave birth to it was a little girl.
00:04:19
Speaker 1: It was a baby girl at this point, right, that's a good way to I mean, Robes, you said it. We're not talking about a fetus, We're talking about a baby, and we're talking about now an issue. This is not this is no longer a case. And there are some folks out there who absolutely think these laws are atrocious. But Robes, you get to that point, you are talking about they argue a human being, you're talking about a human being who is now whose life has been terminated intentionally. This even goes beyond right, I know, there's debate about when heartbeats and when life actually begins. Yeah, this is a this is an awful one day.
00:04:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's tough because and look, this is a big deal because if the prosecutors decide to go forward with this case, this would be the first case of a woman being prosecuted for murder for terminating a pregnancy in this state of Georgia. Now, other states have charged women who've had abortions with murder or even attempted murder, but few, if any, of those prosecutions have advanced outside of the initial charges being brought. So a lot of folks are looking at this case because, yes, as you pointed out, Alexia Moore right now as we are recording this is sitting in prison. She has been in prison since the beginning of this month. She has a hearing scheduled for Monday. But this is something that a lot of folks are looking to see what is.
00:05:38
Speaker 3: Going to happen going forward.
00:05:39
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the twenty nineteen law on the books in the state of Georgia.
00:05:43
Speaker 3: Of course, in twenty twenty two, we know that Roe v.
00:05:44
Speaker 2: Wade was overturned, so that's all been established, but there hasn't really been a follow through in terms of seeing police and then prosecutors pursue cases against women who still attempt or are successful at having abortions.
00:06:00
Speaker 1: I can remember the organization that did the count, and you might have it on your sheet there in front of you. But we have seen in the past couple of years and the hundreds women have been all over the country charge I believe it was around two hundred.
00:06:11
Speaker 2: Two hundred and ten women at least yeah have been charged with crimes related to their pregnancies, is how they put it. And they say mostly with drug related charges. But that you know, we've seen hundreds of women, but nothing at this level where you actually are now facing a felony murder charge for this woman. And look, there are some details coming out about what happened in that hospital. She said that she told the nurses, I know my infant is suffering because I am the one who did the abortion.
00:06:43
Speaker 3: I want her to die.
00:06:45
Speaker 2: That is a direct quote from the court records that that is what Alexia Moore told the nursing staff when she got to the hospital.
00:06:53
Speaker 1: You're wrong, there's I have so many questions. It just I mean, she knew she was pregnant, When does she make the decision? Why does she decide to do it this late? That something changed even in her life. She thought the circumstances were going to be one thing, and it turns out she wasn't going to have the support or the job or something. Don't know what happened the rodes. I'm looking at the it it was hard to keep up. I'm trying to see what her options were. Where do you go? All the states kind that are surrounding her either have bands or you can't get one after six weeks. I don't know those robes. There aren't a lot of places where you look at twenty that is not the robes. I mean, now it's getting a little trickier in this conversation.
00:07:35
Speaker 2: I have chills just thinking about it, because, yes, the abortion debate, a lot of folks have very strong positions, either for or against, But there are a lot of people who are in the middle ground, saying, well, you know, if it was the case of incest or rape, you know, then there should be more options threat to a mother's life. Almost everyone, there are a few outliers agree that that would be an exception, that almost everybody would be for choosing the mother's life versus the fetus's life. But then you've got this area where even beyond a heartbeat, you've got viability. And so I remember when I was pregnant, it was this threshold to get to. If I could get to twenty four weeks, I could kind of breathe a sigh of relief. Not that you have a guaranteed outcome that your child would survive anything, but when you're pregnant, you're always worried about making sure you get past twenty four weeks because that is when an infant can survive in most circumstances outside of the mother's womb. So if this thirty one year old, her name's Alexia Moore again, if she was at twenty four weeks, that's tough, and she took abortion pills a that is it's just hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine what was going on in her body, what was happening to that fetus. And that's why this case has resulted with the charges it's resulted in did they.
00:08:58
Speaker 1: Get more of a range. We're saying, here was it they did they estimate do they have more pysiicals?
00:09:03
Speaker 2: They had to estimate between twenty two and twenty four weeks. That was the range they gave it a too. And look, even when you're pregnant, they always give you a range. They're not always exactly sure how far along you are. But that's pretty specific, and that is right on the line of where very a medical argument could be made that that fetus had a chance at surviving outside of the mother's womb. And look, she's not only being charged with felony murder, she's also facing drug charges because of the oxy codone that she had in her system as well. And upon the toxicology reports from the baby girl, they did detect oxy codone in her blood, So that is also part of the charges or among the charges that this woman is facing right now. And this was also just interesting. This is what they put in the court documents. The fetus was quote a human being who was born alive and survived for one hour. Under Georgia law, the victim became a person at the moment of birth.
00:10:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes take me out of any debate about abortion rights in this country. That just makes sense to most people. But is that not common sense? A child was born, that child was breathing, Yes, that child was alive, that child had a heartbeat, and that child died because of the behavior of the mother. I don't know, we'll see, I don't we don't have we don't know for sure. She has been arrested and charged by police in that local municipality, But state officials are going to have to make a call on this. So will they go through with this?
00:10:39
Speaker 2: Yes, well, look on Monday, she has a hearing and the DA will then have to decide whether or not he wants to prosecute. But in Georgia, according to all the reports I've seen, he's going to need to first get an indictment from a grand jury, which I think makes a lot of sense. So you've got a jury of your peers listening to all the evidence, reviewing state law, and deciding whether or not to go forward with this felony murder charge along with some of the other charges. So that is likely going to the process. That is likely going to be the process going forward. But when we come back, we're going to tell you where Americans stand on this issue. This is a very divisive, obviously politically charged issue, and just how many arrests have been made in this country since Roe v. Wade was overturned in twenty twenty two. And and welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about a bell Weather case potentially in the state of Georgia, where a thirty one year old woman, Alexia Moore is sitting behind bars today. She is charged right now with felony murder after she attempted and abortion officials estimate she was between twenty two and twenty four weeks pregnant. She took a pill that she got from online from an online resource that is meant to be an abortion pill, but only for pregnancies ten weeks and under. Ultimately the baby girl was delivered and she died about an hour later. And now prosecutors are determining whether or not to pursue this case. But right now more is behind bars. And look, this is the last poll. The economists in Yugo did a poll a few years ago about where Americans stand on prosecuting women who either have an abortion or attempt an abortion, and whether or not they should be prosecuted. In the states where it is illegal. And are you surprised by this? Nineteen percent said a woman who has had an abortion that violates state law should be charged with murder, should be period. Yes, that's it's not quite a quarter of Americans, but that's a that's a pretty high number.
00:13:03
Speaker 3: Higher than I would have thought.
00:13:04
Speaker 1: Oh, I was. I thought it might have been might have been higher for some reason. I was, I don't know it. I was expected to be higher. And I guess ropes when it comes to this. There are so many circumstances I think need to be considered. And maybe that is where because people their circumstances, their home life, their relationships there in finance, all these things kind of play into I mean, how young lady was raised, what she was surrounded by, the example she had, All of this stuff I think should factor in in some way, and it shouldn't just be a blanket charging with murder.
00:13:42
Speaker 2: Yes, And there's like you pointed this out before we went to break there was a lot we don't know about this. I was wondering, just as a woman, as a human, if this law hadn't been on the books in Georgia, if Roe v. Wade had not been overturned in twenty twenty two. Would she have saw remedy for being pregnant earlier? Would she have felt comfortable going to an abortion clinic right away or going to her doctor and getting an abortion pill right away as soon as she found out she was pregnant? Did she wait because she didn't know what to do, because she didn't have a lot of options. Then she panicked, she went online, tried to see what she could do on her own. I mean, this is all possible that that could have been contributing to her decision to do what she did as late as she did it.
00:14:30
Speaker 3: We just don't know.
00:14:31
Speaker 1: We don't And but it's the details and the reading of that police report pretty horrific stuff.
00:14:38
Speaker 2: It's tough, it's tough to stomach, and you know, you were saying, there are so many there's so many cases where this is in the gray area. Interestingly, twenty six percent of Americans polled said they were unsure whether or not they thought a woman should be prosecuted with murder charges, and the overwhelming number fifty four percent of Americans said that a woman should not be charged with murder if she has an abortion in a state that says it's against the law. And that's interesting because, look, the point being is the whole purpose of having a law is to enforce it. What's the point of having a law if it isn't enforceable. And so far up until this we really haven't seen the law that so many laws that we've seen passed in multiple states, and certainly federally it's an issue as well, we haven't really seen the follow through the enforcement of some of these laws that have been voted into being.
00:15:35
Speaker 1: Some of them are kind of, if not new, newly allowed, meaning that like the one in Georgia, it was just sitting there kind of dormant until the Supreme Court mate its decision, and once they overturned Robie Wade, all these laws automatically just went into place on the books, and this was one of them. Now this is going to be the first test of it. I'm really curious to see what they're going to do in Georgia, what the state prosecutor is going to do, What is the state going to demand, because when you hear the details of this story, it might be difficult for a prosecutor who might have to run for something down the road to justify not charging a woman. Once people hear these details, which are just no matter what your human being, baby, that's it's tough to stomach this.
00:16:23
Speaker 2: This one was tough and if you make a good point, if there was any case to actually follow through and prosecute it, it might be this one.
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Speaker 3: This one is a really tough one.
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Speaker 2: And just thinking about the feet of suffering, thinking about you know, what that little girl might have actually felt, or what that baby went through by her taking those pills.
00:16:49
Speaker 1: Say that what that baby felt, what that baby went through, but what that baby could have been, but the baby could have become who that baby could have become rights, that's a human being. That as an awful story. The circumstances, I'm sure they are very heartbreaking as well when you probably look into this young woman's background and why she ended up in this desperate place. But Bavid, yeah, this is and some people have come out already. I mean, to be expected, those folks who are abortion rights advocates, I suppose just immediately came out in defense and saying she shouldn't be charged with murder. It sounds so punitive. Robes. Woman's just just wanted to find a place for an abortion and now she's charged with murder. Is how some people will hear. Absolutely that's a shame. But then some of the details you hear and you're then you go the other way.
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Speaker 2: This is a tough one. We will be watching it as so many other states. You know, so many of the other states are going to be watching this case to see not only what the DA decides to do, but then what the outcome will be ultimately for this woman. But this, I'm sure, unfortunately, will not be the last case like this. We will continue to follow this as something certainly to watch in the meantime that we do appreciate you listening to us, every one. I made me roboch alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.