Nov. 21, 2025
Former NJ Congressional Staffer FAKES Brutal, Racist Attack. The Details Are Jaw Dropping
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RSS Feed A 26-year-old former staffer to a New Jersey Congressman is facing criminal charges after faking a vicious political attack. Natalie Greene even went so far as to hire a “body modification and scarification artist” to cut lacerations all over her body complete with threatening messages. This story is so bizarre you have to hear it, to believe it.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November twenty first, and a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes, she had cuts all over her body, and someone had written on her Trump whore. She said three men did this to her. Well, federal forty authorities now say she did it to herself. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roapes. I don't know how it's possible that this young lady would be willing to do this and go through what she went through, which was pretty extreme, all for the sake.
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Speaker 2: Of what attention. I don't know. She's twenty six years old. Her name's Natalie Green.
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Speaker 3: You brought this story to my attention, and the more I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what I was reading.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, we gave kind of the basics there, which is shocking enough. The details take this to a whole new level.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way, with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and hoaxes and another count of making false statements to federal law.
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Speaker 2: Enforcement.
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Speaker 3: But when you hear what those false statements and what this hoax is it is, it's hard to get.
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Speaker 2: Your head around it. This happened in July. She called nine one one. There was a co conspirator with her. We don't know who that person.
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Speaker 3: There was another person who was with her saying they had just been attacked by three men with a gun just outside of Atlantic City.
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Speaker 2: When law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: Came upon her, she was in a wooded area, her hood, I guess, her shirt T shirt was over her head, her hands and her legs were zip tied, and the condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all over her body, on her f face, on her neck, on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.
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Speaker 1: And when you see it, folks, we say scrapes and scratches and cuts. It almost looks like a grid like she was scraped, almost like a grill, if you will. That's all over her body on what in the right side, A little bit on her face as well.
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Speaker 2: On her face.
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Speaker 3: It looked like something out of a horror movie. And I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it looks painful, it looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.
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Speaker 1: And when they found it, right, she was hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying, begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again, given robes, sometimes what we see in our politics didn't necessarily as shocking as it was seem that necessarily far fetched back in July, because the alternative would be, what that she's making it up?
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Speaker 2: Nah?
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Speaker 1: Nah?
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Speaker 3: Now when you see the condition of her body, when you see the amount of cuts she has all over her, and then specifically.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, y'all just made a mess. I just threw my glass all over the Wow.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was saying was so offensive.
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Speaker 1: Well, I can't believe somebody would do this. I turn the table over next. Sorry about that, baby, Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 3: No, so, not just the violence that was done to her body, but then yes, the messages, some of this cutting actually had words carved into her and it was Trump whoror was written on her stomach. And then we don't know there was a redacted name, but it said federal employee basically is racist. So look, she was working for a Republican congressman. And so yes, I guess if you're a police officer and you walk up on this, you think, my goodness, someone who hates Republicans, someone who is anti Trump, someone who is upset with the Republican Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken this poor staffer and and.
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Speaker 1: Abused her vicious and violent. You would you would think this was a horrific crime. And given that she's twenty six, she's young, cute girl all over social media, how could this happen to her? It was that kind of reaction at the time. I don't know at what point in the investigation their minds are even allowed to go there. How could you just not take this young woman looking at her at her word?
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Speaker 3: Initially I would I would think the police would take her at her word. And as you mentioned, she was crying, she was yelling. She said that the men, these three men had a gun. They restrained her, held her down there in the woods while they cut her. You know, it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence right there in front of you, this woman is clearly injured, why would you not believe her?
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Speaker 1: But then things start to come apart, and rose that they didn't have to do too much forensic and nowalysis to start piecing together that the story didn't sound right.
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Speaker 3: It came it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first I believe clue was from police when they found zip ties in her car that matched, like were identical to the ones that they found binding her legs and her arms the night of the attack. So they find the zip ties in her car. Then in this co conspirator who we haven't this person who was with her, we don't know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's phone, this was hilarious. They found a Google search. Man, those Google searches? Do everybody in don't they?
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Speaker 1: What was this is funny?
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Speaker 2: What was the Google search? Zip ties near me?
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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something in their phone right now right that you had that, you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosa's at ten thirty near me. I probably got something like that. Yes, this was hilarious.
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Speaker 2: Store near me?
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Speaker 3: Zipize what restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of those those are our Google searches, food and beverages, not zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most incredible evidence, the most damning evidence.
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Speaker 2: Was on her phone, so she followed up.
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Speaker 3: She went back to the FBI and said, you know, I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered. She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI agent that after this attack where police found her bound and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work. So see, she's still under attack, she's fearing for her life. And so of course the FBI said, let's take a look at your phone. Let's see who's sending you these vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this young lady Green and someone with the job title of modification scarification artist.
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Speaker 1: Scarification is that?
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Speaker 2: Yes there?
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Speaker 3: So I actually did a deep dive on a Google search on what a modification scarification artist is and what they do, and so they find these messages between the two and a scarification artist are Apparently this is something that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient cultural practice, so people have actually they go into business where they use techniques to cut, scratch, or brand people, so they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that people do for designs for cultural reasons.
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Speaker 2: But yes, you can hire someone to scar.
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Speaker 1: You but this was specifically and what was the first part You said scarification in something? What was the first thing?
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Speaker 3: It was a body modification scarification artists.
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Speaker 1: Okay, when I first heard that, I thought this was someone who worked in Hollywood, like this would be some kind of an artist. But you're saying, I didn't see anything that suggested that. But this is not that.
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Speaker 2: No, this is like.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's similar to what we would consider a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin. So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars. And so they found this back and forth between Green and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt. Green actually paid this artist five hundred dollars to scar her body, and she actually provided the exact like, she gave her a map of how she wanted her cuts and lash rations and scars to go in a predetermined area. She had it all planned out. I didn't know you could hire somebody to.
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Speaker 2: Do this to you.
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Speaker 1: Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that this is even a thing. And I just it's just I imagine it's a painful process.
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Speaker 1: Well what she at least from the pictures, it looks like she's going to be scarred for life. She has like she's been maimed.
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Speaker 2: That was the attention.
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Speaker 1: But she looked like, this is a twenty six year olly, young woman. Why would you put why would you do that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of We don't know, because I have nothing I read suggested a motive. At least the federal authorities didn't say we believe she did this for this reason or anything, so you were left to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She has scarred herself for life.
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Speaker 2: It's and I'm actually surprised. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a legal, bonafide profession to be a body modification scarification artist, But I wonder is there any sort of responsibility on the artist's part if someone asks you to do something pretty horrific to your body? Is there any sort of standard or practice that you have to consider before or check someone's mental health, or check someone's.
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Speaker 2: You know, just to just say, okay, I get.
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Speaker 1: A tattoo when you're drunk.
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Pay me five hundred dollars and I'll scar your whole body.
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Speaker 2: That's just wild to me that this exists.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to write and do for something like this. Is it you make licensing? I'm very curious if you can be and should be licensed to do something.
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Speaker 3: When you see these pictures, I'm just imagining, and I'm not putting this profession into any negative light, but I'm just thinking as a human being doing that to someone who's asking.
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Speaker 2: You to do it to them. What what was that like?
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Speaker 3: When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about. This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on her box. Oh yeah, this is like it looks as if she was the victim of a brutal attack.
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Speaker 1: You asked no questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in and here's the money. This is what I want. Okay, knock yourself out. But this is it's I don't know. And again, the congressman that she worked for, I mean, he's come out. They don't have it in the official documents right when they're as far as the court documents, but he's come out and mentioned it. Everybody knows who it is, right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And in fact, when we come back, we will tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about this situation and the charges that her client is being charged with, and we will tell you what the man who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey Congressman, Republican Congressman Jeff Andrew, what he had to say about her arrest. Continuing our conversation about this wild story out of New Jersey, a twenty six year old former congressional staffer arrested and charged after sure she paid someone who is in business to be a body modification scarification artist to basically make it look as though she was brutally and viciously attacked, targeted for being or working with a Republican congressman. She went to great lengths, paid a significant amount of money to literally be tortured and then try to pass it off to police as a brutal attack and the motive.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody mention one, at least the authorities, what the motive might have been. You can only imagine here. This was an attention seeking to an extreme level. And I obviously you hear something like this, and you think about the story our Chicago several years ago with Justice Smlette, and I say that now, I thought about it. Of course when the story came up, and I'm reading through articles, I'm scrolling down, and sure enough, off to the side, all those algorithms that put up stories about Jesse's Smallette, it's all over. So yeah, they're making the connection.
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Speaker 2: And his motive.
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Speaker 3: Look, not that it was ever a sound one or an okay one, but it was so he could get more money. He was looking to basically create sympathy, and he was in the middle of negotiating a contract, and he thought by becoming perhaps the victim of some politically motivated crime, that there would be a groundswell of support for him and he could get more money in his contract.
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Speaker 1: Guess at least the motive we were given. Okay, that makes some sense. We have heard nothing about this, when yet, what this could mean?
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Speaker 2: What her attorney had to say. This is what she said.
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Speaker 3: Following these charges being filed. At the age of twenty six, my client served her community, working full time to assist the constituents of the congressman with loyalty and fidelity. She did that while being a full time student. Under the law, she has presumed innocent and reserves all of her defenses for presentation.
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Speaker 2: In a court of law.
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Speaker 1: We got nothing, right now, we got nothing.
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Speaker 2: And we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save it for court.
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Speaker 3: But just remember she was a full time student and working on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey. So she's otherwise a good person and a hard working person who maybe lost her way.
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Speaker 1: Sympathy for a student and for a public servant, yes, yes, but you tell by that if there was something more here, he would come out forcefully. These facts are not correct, Michael, or even she's had a mental breakdown, he would say something.
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Speaker 3: Please give her some grace, exactly now, in terms of potential mental breakdown. We did also hear from Representative Andrew's office who basically in some way alluded to this. This is what their official statement was, knowing that this young woman did work for them. We are deeply saddened by yesterday's news, and while Natalie is no longer associated with the Congressman's government office, our thoughts and prayers are with her. We hope she is getting the care she needs.
00:14:48
Speaker 1: I mean I mean that could be physical care, that could be mental care, but I do I mean there's I don't know. I take a beat. I would love to hear from this girl and what she's been going through and what her life has been life, Why she got to such a place that she thought this was an option. This took a lot of planning, This took a lot of pain. This wasn't just a silly little something or make a bad decision. This was really thought. She had a lot of moments and times to go, nah, I don't want to do this.
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Speaker 3: And the other yes, agreed with all of that. That isn't something that was a rash decision or you know, kind of a spur of the moment thing.
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Speaker 2: She had to research this garification artist. She had to somehow.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those details are. The other thing that's glaring to me that I'm hoping we'll get some more clarity on this other person, this co conspirator. So it's one thing if you're having some sort of an issue where you decide premeditated to do all of these things. This other person you would hope would be a voice of reason or at least a sounding ward or someone who could say, wait, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And certainly not let me help you do this. That's that's another wrinkle in this that I have yet to iron out.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That person has not been arrested, has not been identified exactly. Okay, so we say a co conspirator because obviously somebody had to tie her up and somebody called nine to one one. Yes, that's more than just let me grab some zip ties for you.
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Speaker 3: And perhaps you know how these things work in criminal cases, maybe that person will be the you know, the number one witness to this, and they'll be able to build the case against her, And so they might not file charges against that person because they'll use that person in testimony against Green.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Before I know she's I don't know, man, I give this young lady. I'm reserving and I just want to give her such a break because there's something just feel there's a desperation, something going on in her life that they're that's not that's more than a matter of simple all we talk about social media all the time. If people want instant fame and attention, and how do you geut go about getting it? Sounds this is more than just a This isn't a plea for attention. This is a craft for help. It seems it is, but it's.
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Speaker 3: Also it's also a crime and I and I point that out because the valuable resources that were taken away from something meaningful and actually needed in the community were then given to her who created this elaborate hope. So you know, money was spent, time was wasted, and perhaps resources were misdirected when they could have been used somewhere else. It and people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime, but actually that's not the case when you look and see what goes into someone making a false police report and making people believe that they've been harmed, where there is a search that goes on for these three unidentified men who were on a terror and you know, tortured this young woman. So a lot of a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of wasted.
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Speaker 2: Effort was spent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had better shit to do, Yes, yes, and do this by you're right, you understand right, and talking about the resources, but also the breach for the public, because there are people who had real concern for her when all this happened, so concern for her now for different reasons. But yeah, she needs to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she is facing a maximum of ten years behind bars and up to five hundred thousand dollars if convicted.
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Speaker 2: So we'll follow this.
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Speaker 3: It is a bizarre one certainly got our attention today and we hope you enjoyed listening to this and again we'll stay on top of this and all the other wacky stories of the week. This has been Wow. I know we've said this a lot, but this has been a hell of a news week. So we appreciate you hanging with us. Everybody. I made ROVOC alongside TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November twenty first, and a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes, she had cuts all over her body, and someone had written on her Trump whore. She said three men did this to her. Well, federal forty authorities now say she did it to herself. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roapes. I don't know how it's possible that this young lady would be willing to do this and go through what she went through, which was pretty extreme, all for the sake.
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Speaker 2: Of what attention. I don't know. She's twenty six years old. Her name's Natalie Green.
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Speaker 3: You brought this story to my attention, and the more I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what I was reading.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, we gave kind of the basics there, which is shocking enough. The details take this to a whole new level.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way, with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and hoaxes and another count of making false statements to federal law.
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Speaker 2: Enforcement.
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Speaker 3: But when you hear what those false statements and what this hoax is it is, it's hard to get.
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Speaker 2: Your head around it. This happened in July. She called nine one one. There was a co conspirator with her. We don't know who that person.
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Speaker 3: There was another person who was with her saying they had just been attacked by three men with a gun just outside of Atlantic City.
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Speaker 2: When law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: Came upon her, she was in a wooded area, her hood, I guess, her shirt T shirt was over her head, her hands and her legs were zip tied, and the condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all over her body, on her f face, on her neck, on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.
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Speaker 1: And when you see it, folks, we say scrapes and scratches and cuts. It almost looks like a grid like she was scraped, almost like a grill, if you will. That's all over her body on what in the right side, A little bit on her face as well.
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Speaker 2: On her face.
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Speaker 3: It looked like something out of a horror movie. And I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it looks painful, it looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.
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Speaker 1: And when they found it, right, she was hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying, begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again, given robes, sometimes what we see in our politics didn't necessarily as shocking as it was seem that necessarily far fetched back in July, because the alternative would be, what that she's making it up?
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Speaker 2: Nah?
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Speaker 1: Nah?
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Speaker 3: Now when you see the condition of her body, when you see the amount of cuts she has all over her, and then specifically.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, y'all just made a mess. I just threw my glass all over the Wow.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was saying was so offensive.
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Speaker 1: Well, I can't believe somebody would do this. I turn the table over next. Sorry about that, baby, Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 3: No, so, not just the violence that was done to her body, but then yes, the messages, some of this cutting actually had words carved into her and it was Trump whoror was written on her stomach. And then we don't know there was a redacted name, but it said federal employee basically is racist. So look, she was working for a Republican congressman. And so yes, I guess if you're a police officer and you walk up on this, you think, my goodness, someone who hates Republicans, someone who is anti Trump, someone who is upset with the Republican Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken this poor staffer and and.
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Speaker 1: Abused her vicious and violent. You would you would think this was a horrific crime. And given that she's twenty six, she's young, cute girl all over social media, how could this happen to her? It was that kind of reaction at the time. I don't know at what point in the investigation their minds are even allowed to go there. How could you just not take this young woman looking at her at her word?
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Speaker 3: Initially I would I would think the police would take her at her word. And as you mentioned, she was crying, she was yelling. She said that the men, these three men had a gun. They restrained her, held her down there in the woods while they cut her. You know, it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence right there in front of you, this woman is clearly injured, why would you not believe her?
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Speaker 1: But then things start to come apart, and rose that they didn't have to do too much forensic and nowalysis to start piecing together that the story didn't sound right.
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Speaker 3: It came it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first I believe clue was from police when they found zip ties in her car that matched, like were identical to the ones that they found binding her legs and her arms the night of the attack. So they find the zip ties in her car. Then in this co conspirator who we haven't this person who was with her, we don't know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's phone, this was hilarious. They found a Google search. Man, those Google searches? Do everybody in don't they?
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Speaker 1: What was this is funny?
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Speaker 2: What was the Google search? Zip ties near me?
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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something in their phone right now right that you had that, you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosa's at ten thirty near me. I probably got something like that. Yes, this was hilarious.
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Speaker 2: Store near me?
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Speaker 3: Zipize what restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of those those are our Google searches, food and beverages, not zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most incredible evidence, the most damning evidence.
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Speaker 2: Was on her phone, so she followed up.
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Speaker 3: She went back to the FBI and said, you know, I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered. She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI agent that after this attack where police found her bound and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work. So see, she's still under attack, she's fearing for her life. And so of course the FBI said, let's take a look at your phone. Let's see who's sending you these vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this young lady Green and someone with the job title of modification scarification artist.
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Speaker 1: Scarification is that?
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Speaker 2: Yes there?
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Speaker 3: So I actually did a deep dive on a Google search on what a modification scarification artist is and what they do, and so they find these messages between the two and a scarification artist are Apparently this is something that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient cultural practice, so people have actually they go into business where they use techniques to cut, scratch, or brand people, so they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that people do for designs for cultural reasons.
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Speaker 2: But yes, you can hire someone to scar.
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Speaker 1: You but this was specifically and what was the first part You said scarification in something? What was the first thing?
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Speaker 3: It was a body modification scarification artists.
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Speaker 1: Okay, when I first heard that, I thought this was someone who worked in Hollywood, like this would be some kind of an artist. But you're saying, I didn't see anything that suggested that. But this is not that.
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Speaker 2: No, this is like.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's similar to what we would consider a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin. So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars. And so they found this back and forth between Green and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt. Green actually paid this artist five hundred dollars to scar her body, and she actually provided the exact like, she gave her a map of how she wanted her cuts and lash rations and scars to go in a predetermined area. She had it all planned out. I didn't know you could hire somebody to.
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Speaker 2: Do this to you.
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Speaker 1: Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that this is even a thing. And I just it's just I imagine it's a painful process.
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Speaker 1: Well what she at least from the pictures, it looks like she's going to be scarred for life. She has like she's been maimed.
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Speaker 2: That was the attention.
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Speaker 1: But she looked like, this is a twenty six year olly, young woman. Why would you put why would you do that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of We don't know, because I have nothing I read suggested a motive. At least the federal authorities didn't say we believe she did this for this reason or anything, so you were left to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She has scarred herself for life.
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Speaker 2: It's and I'm actually surprised. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a legal, bonafide profession to be a body modification scarification artist, But I wonder is there any sort of responsibility on the artist's part if someone asks you to do something pretty horrific to your body? Is there any sort of standard or practice that you have to consider before or check someone's mental health, or check someone's.
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Speaker 2: You know, just to just say, okay, I get.
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Speaker 1: A tattoo when you're drunk.
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Pay me five hundred dollars and I'll scar your whole body.
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Speaker 2: That's just wild to me that this exists.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to write and do for something like this. Is it you make licensing? I'm very curious if you can be and should be licensed to do something.
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Speaker 3: When you see these pictures, I'm just imagining, and I'm not putting this profession into any negative light, but I'm just thinking as a human being doing that to someone who's asking.
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Speaker 2: You to do it to them. What what was that like?
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Speaker 3: When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about. This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on her box. Oh yeah, this is like it looks as if she was the victim of a brutal attack.
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Speaker 1: You asked no questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in and here's the money. This is what I want. Okay, knock yourself out. But this is it's I don't know. And again, the congressman that she worked for, I mean, he's come out. They don't have it in the official documents right when they're as far as the court documents, but he's come out and mentioned it. Everybody knows who it is, right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And in fact, when we come back, we will tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about this situation and the charges that her client is being charged with, and we will tell you what the man who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey Congressman, Republican Congressman Jeff Andrew, what he had to say about her arrest. Continuing our conversation about this wild story out of New Jersey, a twenty six year old former congressional staffer arrested and charged after sure she paid someone who is in business to be a body modification scarification artist to basically make it look as though she was brutally and viciously attacked, targeted for being or working with a Republican congressman. She went to great lengths, paid a significant amount of money to literally be tortured and then try to pass it off to police as a brutal attack and the motive.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody mention one, at least the authorities, what the motive might have been. You can only imagine here. This was an attention seeking to an extreme level. And I obviously you hear something like this, and you think about the story our Chicago several years ago with Justice Smlette, and I say that now, I thought about it. Of course when the story came up, and I'm reading through articles, I'm scrolling down, and sure enough, off to the side, all those algorithms that put up stories about Jesse's Smallette, it's all over. So yeah, they're making the connection.
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Speaker 2: And his motive.
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Speaker 3: Look, not that it was ever a sound one or an okay one, but it was so he could get more money. He was looking to basically create sympathy, and he was in the middle of negotiating a contract, and he thought by becoming perhaps the victim of some politically motivated crime, that there would be a groundswell of support for him and he could get more money in his contract.
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Speaker 1: Guess at least the motive we were given. Okay, that makes some sense. We have heard nothing about this, when yet, what this could mean?
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Speaker 2: What her attorney had to say. This is what she said.
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Speaker 3: Following these charges being filed. At the age of twenty six, my client served her community, working full time to assist the constituents of the congressman with loyalty and fidelity. She did that while being a full time student. Under the law, she has presumed innocent and reserves all of her defenses for presentation.
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Speaker 2: In a court of law.
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Speaker 1: We got nothing, right now, we got nothing.
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Speaker 2: And we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save it for court.
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Speaker 3: But just remember she was a full time student and working on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey. So she's otherwise a good person and a hard working person who maybe lost her way.
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Speaker 1: Sympathy for a student and for a public servant, yes, yes, but you tell by that if there was something more here, he would come out forcefully. These facts are not correct, Michael, or even she's had a mental breakdown, he would say something.
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Speaker 3: Please give her some grace, exactly now, in terms of potential mental breakdown. We did also hear from Representative Andrew's office who basically in some way alluded to this. This is what their official statement was, knowing that this young woman did work for them. We are deeply saddened by yesterday's news, and while Natalie is no longer associated with the Congressman's government office, our thoughts and prayers are with her. We hope she is getting the care she needs.
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Speaker 1: I mean I mean that could be physical care, that could be mental care, but I do I mean there's I don't know. I take a beat. I would love to hear from this girl and what she's been going through and what her life has been life, Why she got to such a place that she thought this was an option. This took a lot of planning, This took a lot of pain. This wasn't just a silly little something or make a bad decision. This was really thought. She had a lot of moments and times to go, nah, I don't want to do this.
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Speaker 3: And the other yes, agreed with all of that. That isn't something that was a rash decision or you know, kind of a spur of the moment thing.
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Speaker 2: She had to research this garification artist. She had to somehow.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those details are. The other thing that's glaring to me that I'm hoping we'll get some more clarity on this other person, this co conspirator. So it's one thing if you're having some sort of an issue where you decide premeditated to do all of these things. This other person you would hope would be a voice of reason or at least a sounding ward or someone who could say, wait, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And certainly not let me help you do this. That's that's another wrinkle in this that I have yet to iron out.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That person has not been arrested, has not been identified exactly. Okay, so we say a co conspirator because obviously somebody had to tie her up and somebody called nine to one one. Yes, that's more than just let me grab some zip ties for you.
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Speaker 3: And perhaps you know how these things work in criminal cases, maybe that person will be the you know, the number one witness to this, and they'll be able to build the case against her, And so they might not file charges against that person because they'll use that person in testimony against Green.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Before I know she's I don't know, man, I give this young lady. I'm reserving and I just want to give her such a break because there's something just feel there's a desperation, something going on in her life that they're that's not that's more than a matter of simple all we talk about social media all the time. If people want instant fame and attention, and how do you geut go about getting it? Sounds this is more than just a This isn't a plea for attention. This is a craft for help. It seems it is, but it's.
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Speaker 3: Also it's also a crime and I and I point that out because the valuable resources that were taken away from something meaningful and actually needed in the community were then given to her who created this elaborate hope. So you know, money was spent, time was wasted, and perhaps resources were misdirected when they could have been used somewhere else. It and people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime, but actually that's not the case when you look and see what goes into someone making a false police report and making people believe that they've been harmed, where there is a search that goes on for these three unidentified men who were on a terror and you know, tortured this young woman. So a lot of a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of wasted.
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Speaker 2: Effort was spent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had better shit to do, Yes, yes, and do this by you're right, you understand right, and talking about the resources, but also the breach for the public, because there are people who had real concern for her when all this happened, so concern for her now for different reasons. But yeah, she needs to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she is facing a maximum of ten years behind bars and up to five hundred thousand dollars if convicted.
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Speaker 2: So we'll follow this.
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Speaker 3: It is a bizarre one certainly got our attention today and we hope you enjoyed listening to this and again we'll stay on top of this and all the other wacky stories of the week. This has been Wow. I know we've said this a lot, but this has been a hell of a news week. So we appreciate you hanging with us. Everybody. I made ROVOC alongside TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.