March 11, 2026
Former NFL Player Accused of Using ChatGPT To Cover Up “Sinister” Murder
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RSS Feed Tennessee prosecutors say former NFL Linebacker, 31-year-old Darron Lee, viciously beat and stabbed his fiancé to death and then asked ChatGPT how to cover up the crime scene. In a preliminary hearing, prosecutors told the judge they believe the victim suffered for multiple days, beaten and stabbed, while Lee asked the bot what to do and what to say to authorities before eventually calling 9-1-1.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks. Sit is Wednesday, March eleventh, and he is a former Ohio State superstar, a former first round draft pick. He even has a Super Bowl ring with the Kansas City Chiefs. But right now, this former NFL linebacker is sitting in jail charged with first degree murder and his accomplice, according to prosecutors chat GPT, And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. The crime itself is heinous's hell you throw in this chat GPT element of it Rose. We cover a lot of stories, a lot of crime stories, a lot going on right now. This one is wild.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 3: It's one of those headlines that stops you because, yes, the details of this crime, which we will get into, that prosecutors are alleging, is horrific. But to think that now, with technology at everyone's availability, people and the accusation is this particular man and his name is Darren Lee, use chat GPT to try and cover up the crime, cover up the crime scene, ask what to say for a nine to one one call, literally getting instructions on how to evade or avoid getting arrested and being convicted.
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Speaker 1: First of all, that's just stupid at this point. If you don't think that's going to be tracked down, aren't we I didn't think about it too, you were just talking. We have covered a lot of trials where someone's Google search history becomes an issue. Isn't this just that? But we have AI Now normally he would have been typing this.
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Speaker 3: Stuff, right, he's taken it and brought it to a new level. Now he's not just Google searching articles. No, he's actually asking a bot to help him.
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Speaker 2: And the way you put it.
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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it like this, but actually as an accomplice after the fact, people can be charged for trying to help someone cover up a crime. He literally, according to police, used a bot and artificial intelligence to try and help him cover up the crime.
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Speaker 1: And we should always, as we should say, innocent until proven guilty. Right now, Darren Lee is innocent. Even though Darren Lee is sitting in a jail in Tennessee. This happened right outside of Chattanooga. He is sitting in jail in Tennessee. He had a hearing yesterday in which we got a lot more detail. And that's why the story has now been making a renewed run through the headlines. But Rose. He's thirty one years old, arrested for this murder that happened last month, we should say, but he is sitting. He will not be getting out of prison before his tryout. Now, this guy, a lot of people might not know his name off the top of your head, but he played in the Sugar Bowl in twenty fifteen and he was the defensive MVP. Wow tells you anything. Wow. Okay, if you played at Ohio State, first of all, you're a big deal. You star in that game, you're a big deal. Your first round draft pick, you're a big deal. Now, he didn't have a great NFL career, only ended up playing three or four years for three different teams, and one of those teams Robes was the Kansas City Chiefs. He was on their roster in twenty twenty. Didn't play in that game and he was inactive, but as a member of the roster, you get a Super Bowl ring. So the guy, look, you make it to these levels, you're a stud at what you do. But here he is now facing a first remurder charge and the charge of tampering with and fabricating evidence. Now we get to the crime here, Robes it look, don't know what happened in that house, but they describe a scene in which this young lady.
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Speaker 3: Suffered, suffered, and that is the part that is just so disturbing. The prosecutor put it like this, This scent chills up and down my spine. There are crime scenes and then there are crime scenes like this. The autopsy showed that his fiance, Gabriella Perpetuo, she was twenty nine years old, had a stab wound to her abdomen, a bite mark on her shoulder, bruising to her head, two black eyes with heavy swelling, dried blood on her face and neck, and they describe a house with glass shattered, the entire home seems upended, and blood in different rooms, including going up this stairwell.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a horrific scene to walk into.
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Speaker 1: Do they suggest that this might if she might have suffered over days.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they believe it could have gone on.
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Speaker 3: They believe she could have been beaten and killed slowly over a two day period while he was communicating with chat gpt SO.
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Speaker 1: And that's look the we all. I'm surprised we've done stories and I know a lot of these companies are starting to get lawsuits and whatnot when it comes to I think we've been covering suicides, correct, right, kids, I think what we've been saying, will ask a chat GPT how do I what should I do? And the thing actually suggests.
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Speaker 2: Harm way is to kill yourself.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so yes, they need to get that worked out. We're seeing it used and rose we're going to see this more, are we not?
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness? Yes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't even know how to use this type of technology, but it seems like everyone under the age of forty does.
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Speaker 2: And typically it's used.
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Speaker 3: For good to actually learn new skills, or to figure out what's going on, or to get some perspective.
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Speaker 1: For shortcut on your homework assignment.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: In fact, my daughter was telling me because I was trying to understand how to read something. She's like, just take a picture of it, upload it to chat GBT and it will tell you what it means. What are you actually talking about? I had no idea you could do these things. Yes, so it's mostly used for good, right, but wow, this is a glaring example of how it could be used for something horrific that wouldn't even cross my mind.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like here robes be hoo. Are we getting to these chat GPT messages with which they did share in court the scene at the house you were just describing, robes, a lot of it. They said it was clear that somebody tried to clean it up, so a lot of the blood you're describing. You couldn't see what the naked and they said, once you went and then put those lights on it, bloods everywhere, Like it was hardly a room in the house. It didn't have blood, that's what they said. Damn Rose and I watched somewhat with they had his bodycam video. That's gonna be tough to get around.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it is, so we'll get into this.
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Speaker 3: It is so fascinating to see what he put into chat GPT as to what he should do, what he should say. And then you've got the bodycam footage that you just mentioned where we actually hear what he tells.
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Speaker 1: Police, which is crazy given the scene they describe. That's gonna be that video is gonna be played and that you could see that trial. You can see that trial happening playing out right now, and it's overwhelming the stuff they have against him right now. But again, innocent until proven guilty. But rolled in court yesterday. They started sharing some of these messages and it started, they say, before she died. So what is your understanding here he is premeditated? Had he started the process? Are they suggesting? Or he was just starting to ask questions ahead of time, getting ready to kill her.
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Speaker 2: They don't know, that's the truth, they said.
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Speaker 3: They don't know how it all happened and when it all happened. But they're trying to piece together from the forensic evidence in the house and certainly from her autopsy to these real time messages between Lee and Chad GPT, and they're trying to put it all together. In fact, they're taking it so much evidence they have they're actually sending this to a grand jury to get the exact indictments and to proceed that way because there is just so much information. But we know that one of his first questions to chat GPT was don't know what to do right now? Fiance did her crazy thing again and now she's messed up. I wake up and she has two swollen eyes. He puts in parentheses. I didn't do anything self inflicted. She stabbed herself, slit her eye. I don't know, but but she isn't waking up or responding what do I do?
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Speaker 1: What's going through anybody's mind to ask chat GPT that, given what the scene was at that house, You start like, what is on a person's mind? Is he really think he's going to fool some body by typing in himself that she has self inflicted? Does he think he's covering his tracks?
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Speaker 3: I think he thinks he is laying the groundwork for a defense that he didn't know what to do, and so he's actually already denying doing anything in a search question with chat GPT, and somehow he thinks putting in parentheses I didn't do anything self inflicted would be a good defense.
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Speaker 1: Isn't this again the first one? Don't? They say they believe this one was out or he did this before she died.
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Speaker 3: On this one, they think it's possible, which is awful to think about her suffering. And then he said what should I tell my friend? Because he was implying that was he was asking for a friend. I mean, it almost seems like.
00:09:04
Speaker 1: I know that none of this is funny, but that is absolute hilarious.
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Speaker 2: There's a reason why we say asking for a friend.
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Speaker 1: Just because I don't want you to think it's me exactly. We say it all the time. He's doing this is that's silly.
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Speaker 3: It's not funny, but it's laughable laughing, and that's the point. He says, what should I tell my friend to handle someone non responsive but wants to call the police.
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Speaker 2: He's lost, This makes no sense. You call nine one one, You call nine one one.
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Speaker 3: But this is what chat GBT doesn't say to call nine one one. It says, okay, but this is serious, but you can and then this is redacted protect everyone. Here's exactly what to tell your friend, step by step and when it was interesting, he said, but wants to call the police.
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Speaker 2: He corrects the question.
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Speaker 3: He asks CHATGBT and says, doesn't want to call police. So, now piecing it all together, Darren Lee is asking Chad GPT, what should I tell my friend to handle someone non responsive but doesn't want to.
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Speaker 2: Call the police.
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want to call the police if you find someone non responsivees.
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Speaker 1: All that what you're saying makes sense. We've been watching a lot of cases and I struggle sometimes with circumstantial evidence. Right, I'm like, it's hard to put somebody in jail. The rest of their lives if there's not a smoking gun, right, But I've had lawyers tell me and you are more so good about explaining it and being on board with circumstantial evidence. This is one of those cases where it is so overwhelming from a circumstantial standpoint, robes he is laying out to everyone based on our common sense that he's guilty.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: He's asking Chad, He's asking GEP chat GP two. Sorry, I can't even talk, asking chat GPT if stab wound like puncture punctures can be explained from hitting anything like, he's asking for a way to describe her stab wounds without it actually coming from someone stabbing, Like, could you get a stab wound from any other way?
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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting chat GPT trying to give him answers on some of this stuff.
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Speaker 2: They did.
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Speaker 3: Chat GBT said, yes, it can happen. Can a slip and fall cause puncture wounds? Yes, but usually only under specific conditions.
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Speaker 2: What can it look like?
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Speaker 3: And he was saying the chat GBT said bottom line, yes, falls can produce puncture appearing wounds. They usually don't look like clean knife stabs.
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Speaker 2: So then it asks Lee to say.
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Speaker 3: Where on the body, how many punctures, depth, and size, what objects were nearby, literally trying to create a scenario in which he could say something of than a knife or him stabbing her could have created the wounds that were on her body.
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Speaker 1: These messages are are They are wild? And you know, I have another question. When you talk to jet chat GPT, can you always do it just voice or do you have to type?
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Speaker 3: Oh? I think you can do voice on your phone. Oh you can do both. Yes, because he even asks if when he asks where or when chat I say he when chat GPT asks where the stab wounds were, he wrote middle gut and side hip middle gut.
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Speaker 2: I just oh God, yes.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, stay here. We'll also tell you. Yes, we heard plenty about what chat GPT said. We heard a lot about what Darren Lee said, but I guess Robes certainly from me. One of the most powerful things we heard in court came from the judge in describing what happened in that house and this crime. Stay here, we continue here on Amy and TJ and Robes. It feels a little bizarre to have any smile of any kind, But we were just going over before we were coming back here. You're about to go through some of the body cam stuff we have from the police officers of the day of Darren Lee's arrest and robes the responses he was giving to why that house looked the way it looked again a scene of absolute horror, stuff, broken blood everywhere. The answers he was given robes are ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: They are ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: They actually got I think they're more laughable than even the.
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Speaker 2: Chat GPT questions he was asking.
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Speaker 3: So yes, police finally arrive after he finally calls nine one one and the deputy. You can hear the deputy on the bodycam footage asking Darren Lee what is with all.
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Speaker 2: The broken stuff in there?
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Speaker 3: And his response is, and I am quoting him, glad glasses shattered because she had left the window open and so when it got warm and when we reheated the house, it just like exploded. So I was cleaning that up, that was long before. I was just going to sleep. I thought she was going to come down and finish it up, find a dustpan. But I come back down and then this is what happened.
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Speaker 1: Do we need to call a scientist? Is that even physically possible?
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Speaker 2: Never heard of that before, never covered a case like that.
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Speaker 3: In my life, an explosion usually comes from a gas leak or something that dramatic.
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Speaker 1: But is his attorney going to try to do an experiment in the defense and improve Why that? How that's possible in a house? What made me think about it because it's happened to me before with the dishwasher? Is that what he's talking about? You know, when you do your dishes and it's still hot in there and still steaming, and you open it before it's ready and cooled off, and some cool air gets in there and maybe a glass or crack. Is that what he was getting?
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Speaker 3: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: I guess you're right. I never even thought about that.
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Speaker 1: That's the only thing he can.
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Speaker 2: He must have chat gpt that as well.
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Speaker 1: It's so hot in here, then he got cold, then he got hot again.
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Speaker 2: Class explodes the whole house.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then when they asked him on the body cam why his fiance was lying unconscious on the living room floor in the condition she was in here was his direct quote.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I thought she would have said something, but I have no idea. I was upstairs.
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Speaker 1: He's he's he's innocent until proven guilty. So againdity interruptly, Oh, is this just a preliminary No maybe not.
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Speaker 2: No, no, because it's a preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 3: From my understanding, is now the next thing that happens is while he is he wasn't given bond, as you pointed out, he will be behind bars, but they are actually giving this all to a grand jury to get the specific indictments because is right now. The DA said, given this case and what they've seen, they are considering pursuing the death penalty, so he may go from having a Super Bowl ring to literally sitting on death row.
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Speaker 2: In a matter of a few years.
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Speaker 1: It's a thirty one year old man, young man still and right now innocent man. Rose The thing that got me in listening to the judge, the judge, after hearing all this stuff, look a lot of people and listening to us, now what might be going ooof Well, obviously the judge knows more than we do, is going through this stuff more than we have. But this, the quote from the judge, kind of brought it home for me, saying, quote, I'm even more convinced now that the offense was especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel, and that it involved torture or physical abuse beyond that necessary to produce death. Robes that the level of violence we're talking about is personal and vicious and angry in a way that Robes is beyond an accident or wanting even somebody dead. Well, this stuff they describe is awful, and the judge looking at it is like, you did not need to do all this to kill somebody.
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Speaker 3: I know. The DA described the crime scene as a different level of sinister. That's not a word you hear often, even in some of the worst cases we have covered and we have looked at and listened to in court. Sinister speaks to a whole other level of evil and violence, and that is what prosecutors and now even the judge who's had a chance to look at it, believe that is what happened in this case.
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Speaker 2: So we of course will.
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Speaker 3: Be following this one for you in the meantime, though, thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate it. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
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Speaker 1: The Ketcher PA
Speaker 1: Hey, folks. Sit is Wednesday, March eleventh, and he is a former Ohio State superstar, a former first round draft pick. He even has a Super Bowl ring with the Kansas City Chiefs. But right now, this former NFL linebacker is sitting in jail charged with first degree murder and his accomplice, according to prosecutors chat GPT, And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. The crime itself is heinous's hell you throw in this chat GPT element of it Rose. We cover a lot of stories, a lot of crime stories, a lot going on right now. This one is wild.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 3: It's one of those headlines that stops you because, yes, the details of this crime, which we will get into, that prosecutors are alleging, is horrific. But to think that now, with technology at everyone's availability, people and the accusation is this particular man and his name is Darren Lee, use chat GPT to try and cover up the crime, cover up the crime scene, ask what to say for a nine to one one call, literally getting instructions on how to evade or avoid getting arrested and being convicted.
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Speaker 1: First of all, that's just stupid at this point. If you don't think that's going to be tracked down, aren't we I didn't think about it too, you were just talking. We have covered a lot of trials where someone's Google search history becomes an issue. Isn't this just that? But we have AI Now normally he would have been typing this.
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Speaker 3: Stuff, right, he's taken it and brought it to a new level. Now he's not just Google searching articles. No, he's actually asking a bot to help him.
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Speaker 2: And the way you put it.
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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it like this, but actually as an accomplice after the fact, people can be charged for trying to help someone cover up a crime. He literally, according to police, used a bot and artificial intelligence to try and help him cover up the crime.
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Speaker 1: And we should always, as we should say, innocent until proven guilty. Right now, Darren Lee is innocent. Even though Darren Lee is sitting in a jail in Tennessee. This happened right outside of Chattanooga. He is sitting in jail in Tennessee. He had a hearing yesterday in which we got a lot more detail. And that's why the story has now been making a renewed run through the headlines. But Rose. He's thirty one years old, arrested for this murder that happened last month, we should say, but he is sitting. He will not be getting out of prison before his tryout. Now, this guy, a lot of people might not know his name off the top of your head, but he played in the Sugar Bowl in twenty fifteen and he was the defensive MVP. Wow tells you anything. Wow. Okay, if you played at Ohio State, first of all, you're a big deal. You star in that game, you're a big deal. Your first round draft pick, you're a big deal. Now, he didn't have a great NFL career, only ended up playing three or four years for three different teams, and one of those teams Robes was the Kansas City Chiefs. He was on their roster in twenty twenty. Didn't play in that game and he was inactive, but as a member of the roster, you get a Super Bowl ring. So the guy, look, you make it to these levels, you're a stud at what you do. But here he is now facing a first remurder charge and the charge of tampering with and fabricating evidence. Now we get to the crime here, Robes it look, don't know what happened in that house, but they describe a scene in which this young lady.
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Speaker 3: Suffered, suffered, and that is the part that is just so disturbing. The prosecutor put it like this, This scent chills up and down my spine. There are crime scenes and then there are crime scenes like this. The autopsy showed that his fiance, Gabriella Perpetuo, she was twenty nine years old, had a stab wound to her abdomen, a bite mark on her shoulder, bruising to her head, two black eyes with heavy swelling, dried blood on her face and neck, and they describe a house with glass shattered, the entire home seems upended, and blood in different rooms, including going up this stairwell.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a horrific scene to walk into.
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Speaker 1: Do they suggest that this might if she might have suffered over days.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they believe it could have gone on.
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Speaker 3: They believe she could have been beaten and killed slowly over a two day period while he was communicating with chat gpt SO.
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Speaker 1: And that's look the we all. I'm surprised we've done stories and I know a lot of these companies are starting to get lawsuits and whatnot when it comes to I think we've been covering suicides, correct, right, kids, I think what we've been saying, will ask a chat GPT how do I what should I do? And the thing actually suggests.
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Speaker 2: Harm way is to kill yourself.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so yes, they need to get that worked out. We're seeing it used and rose we're going to see this more, are we not?
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness? Yes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't even know how to use this type of technology, but it seems like everyone under the age of forty does.
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Speaker 2: And typically it's used.
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Speaker 3: For good to actually learn new skills, or to figure out what's going on, or to get some perspective.
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Speaker 1: For shortcut on your homework assignment.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: In fact, my daughter was telling me because I was trying to understand how to read something. She's like, just take a picture of it, upload it to chat GBT and it will tell you what it means. What are you actually talking about? I had no idea you could do these things. Yes, so it's mostly used for good, right, but wow, this is a glaring example of how it could be used for something horrific that wouldn't even cross my mind.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like here robes be hoo. Are we getting to these chat GPT messages with which they did share in court the scene at the house you were just describing, robes, a lot of it. They said it was clear that somebody tried to clean it up, so a lot of the blood you're describing. You couldn't see what the naked and they said, once you went and then put those lights on it, bloods everywhere, Like it was hardly a room in the house. It didn't have blood, that's what they said. Damn Rose and I watched somewhat with they had his bodycam video. That's gonna be tough to get around.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it is, so we'll get into this.
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Speaker 3: It is so fascinating to see what he put into chat GPT as to what he should do, what he should say. And then you've got the bodycam footage that you just mentioned where we actually hear what he tells.
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Speaker 1: Police, which is crazy given the scene they describe. That's gonna be that video is gonna be played and that you could see that trial. You can see that trial happening playing out right now, and it's overwhelming the stuff they have against him right now. But again, innocent until proven guilty. But rolled in court yesterday. They started sharing some of these messages and it started, they say, before she died. So what is your understanding here he is premeditated? Had he started the process? Are they suggesting? Or he was just starting to ask questions ahead of time, getting ready to kill her.
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Speaker 2: They don't know, that's the truth, they said.
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Speaker 3: They don't know how it all happened and when it all happened. But they're trying to piece together from the forensic evidence in the house and certainly from her autopsy to these real time messages between Lee and Chad GPT, and they're trying to put it all together. In fact, they're taking it so much evidence they have they're actually sending this to a grand jury to get the exact indictments and to proceed that way because there is just so much information. But we know that one of his first questions to chat GPT was don't know what to do right now? Fiance did her crazy thing again and now she's messed up. I wake up and she has two swollen eyes. He puts in parentheses. I didn't do anything self inflicted. She stabbed herself, slit her eye. I don't know, but but she isn't waking up or responding what do I do?
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Speaker 1: What's going through anybody's mind to ask chat GPT that, given what the scene was at that house, You start like, what is on a person's mind? Is he really think he's going to fool some body by typing in himself that she has self inflicted? Does he think he's covering his tracks?
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Speaker 3: I think he thinks he is laying the groundwork for a defense that he didn't know what to do, and so he's actually already denying doing anything in a search question with chat GPT, and somehow he thinks putting in parentheses I didn't do anything self inflicted would be a good defense.
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Speaker 1: Isn't this again the first one? Don't? They say they believe this one was out or he did this before she died.
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Speaker 3: On this one, they think it's possible, which is awful to think about her suffering. And then he said what should I tell my friend? Because he was implying that was he was asking for a friend. I mean, it almost seems like.
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Speaker 1: I know that none of this is funny, but that is absolute hilarious.
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Speaker 2: There's a reason why we say asking for a friend.
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Speaker 1: Just because I don't want you to think it's me exactly. We say it all the time. He's doing this is that's silly.
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Speaker 3: It's not funny, but it's laughable laughing, and that's the point. He says, what should I tell my friend to handle someone non responsive but wants to call the police.
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Speaker 2: He's lost, This makes no sense. You call nine one one, You call nine one one.
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Speaker 3: But this is what chat GBT doesn't say to call nine one one. It says, okay, but this is serious, but you can and then this is redacted protect everyone. Here's exactly what to tell your friend, step by step and when it was interesting, he said, but wants to call the police.
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Speaker 2: He corrects the question.
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Speaker 3: He asks CHATGBT and says, doesn't want to call police. So, now piecing it all together, Darren Lee is asking Chad GPT, what should I tell my friend to handle someone non responsive but doesn't want to.
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Speaker 2: Call the police.
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want to call the police if you find someone non responsivees.
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Speaker 1: All that what you're saying makes sense. We've been watching a lot of cases and I struggle sometimes with circumstantial evidence. Right, I'm like, it's hard to put somebody in jail. The rest of their lives if there's not a smoking gun, right, But I've had lawyers tell me and you are more so good about explaining it and being on board with circumstantial evidence. This is one of those cases where it is so overwhelming from a circumstantial standpoint, robes he is laying out to everyone based on our common sense that he's guilty.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: He's asking Chad, He's asking GEP chat GP two. Sorry, I can't even talk, asking chat GPT if stab wound like puncture punctures can be explained from hitting anything like, he's asking for a way to describe her stab wounds without it actually coming from someone stabbing, Like, could you get a stab wound from any other way?
00:11:24
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting chat GPT trying to give him answers on some of this stuff.
00:11:28
Speaker 2: They did.
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Speaker 3: Chat GBT said, yes, it can happen. Can a slip and fall cause puncture wounds? Yes, but usually only under specific conditions.
00:11:37
Speaker 2: What can it look like?
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Speaker 3: And he was saying the chat GBT said bottom line, yes, falls can produce puncture appearing wounds. They usually don't look like clean knife stabs.
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Speaker 2: So then it asks Lee to say.
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Speaker 3: Where on the body, how many punctures, depth, and size, what objects were nearby, literally trying to create a scenario in which he could say something of than a knife or him stabbing her could have created the wounds that were on her body.
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Speaker 1: These messages are are They are wild? And you know, I have another question. When you talk to jet chat GPT, can you always do it just voice or do you have to type?
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Speaker 3: Oh? I think you can do voice on your phone. Oh you can do both. Yes, because he even asks if when he asks where or when chat I say he when chat GPT asks where the stab wounds were, he wrote middle gut and side hip middle gut.
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Speaker 2: I just oh God, yes.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, stay here. We'll also tell you. Yes, we heard plenty about what chat GPT said. We heard a lot about what Darren Lee said, but I guess Robes certainly from me. One of the most powerful things we heard in court came from the judge in describing what happened in that house and this crime. Stay here, we continue here on Amy and TJ and Robes. It feels a little bizarre to have any smile of any kind, But we were just going over before we were coming back here. You're about to go through some of the body cam stuff we have from the police officers of the day of Darren Lee's arrest and robes the responses he was giving to why that house looked the way it looked again a scene of absolute horror, stuff, broken blood everywhere. The answers he was given robes are ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: They are ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: They actually got I think they're more laughable than even the.
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Speaker 2: Chat GPT questions he was asking.
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Speaker 3: So yes, police finally arrive after he finally calls nine one one and the deputy. You can hear the deputy on the bodycam footage asking Darren Lee what is with all.
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Speaker 2: The broken stuff in there?
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Speaker 3: And his response is, and I am quoting him, glad glasses shattered because she had left the window open and so when it got warm and when we reheated the house, it just like exploded. So I was cleaning that up, that was long before. I was just going to sleep. I thought she was going to come down and finish it up, find a dustpan. But I come back down and then this is what happened.
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Speaker 1: Do we need to call a scientist? Is that even physically possible?
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Speaker 2: Never heard of that before, never covered a case like that.
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Speaker 3: In my life, an explosion usually comes from a gas leak or something that dramatic.
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Speaker 1: But is his attorney going to try to do an experiment in the defense and improve Why that? How that's possible in a house? What made me think about it because it's happened to me before with the dishwasher? Is that what he's talking about? You know, when you do your dishes and it's still hot in there and still steaming, and you open it before it's ready and cooled off, and some cool air gets in there and maybe a glass or crack. Is that what he was getting?
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Speaker 3: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: I guess you're right. I never even thought about that.
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Speaker 1: That's the only thing he can.
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Speaker 2: He must have chat gpt that as well.
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Speaker 1: It's so hot in here, then he got cold, then he got hot again.
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Speaker 2: Class explodes the whole house.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then when they asked him on the body cam why his fiance was lying unconscious on the living room floor in the condition she was in here was his direct quote.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I thought she would have said something, but I have no idea. I was upstairs.
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Speaker 1: He's he's he's innocent until proven guilty. So againdity interruptly, Oh, is this just a preliminary No maybe not.
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Speaker 2: No, no, because it's a preliminary hearing.
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Speaker 3: From my understanding, is now the next thing that happens is while he is he wasn't given bond, as you pointed out, he will be behind bars, but they are actually giving this all to a grand jury to get the specific indictments because is right now. The DA said, given this case and what they've seen, they are considering pursuing the death penalty, so he may go from having a Super Bowl ring to literally sitting on death row.
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Speaker 2: In a matter of a few years.
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Speaker 1: It's a thirty one year old man, young man still and right now innocent man. Rose The thing that got me in listening to the judge, the judge, after hearing all this stuff, look a lot of people and listening to us, now what might be going ooof Well, obviously the judge knows more than we do, is going through this stuff more than we have. But this, the quote from the judge, kind of brought it home for me, saying, quote, I'm even more convinced now that the offense was especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel, and that it involved torture or physical abuse beyond that necessary to produce death. Robes that the level of violence we're talking about is personal and vicious and angry in a way that Robes is beyond an accident or wanting even somebody dead. Well, this stuff they describe is awful, and the judge looking at it is like, you did not need to do all this to kill somebody.
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Speaker 3: I know. The DA described the crime scene as a different level of sinister. That's not a word you hear often, even in some of the worst cases we have covered and we have looked at and listened to in court. Sinister speaks to a whole other level of evil and violence, and that is what prosecutors and now even the judge who's had a chance to look at it, believe that is what happened in this case.
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Speaker 2: So we of course will.
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Speaker 3: Be following this one for you in the meantime, though, thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate it. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon.
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