June 18, 2026
Flirty Texts Force Oklahoma Pastor Out Of Congressional Race
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RSS Feed Trump backed GOP candidate Jackson Lahmeyer has dropped out of his congressional race in Oklahoma, just one day after Election Day. Lahmeyer was headed toward a runoff in November when a British tabloid printed flirty text messages between Lahmeyer and a former campaign staffer who was not his wife. Lahmeyer released a statement saying he and his wife had already dealt with the matter privately, but decided to suspend his campaign to avoid further distraction to his family and the church where he serves as pastor.
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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, June tenth, and he had a successful, a successful election night this week. That was on Tuesday. On Wednesday, he dropped out of the race altogether. Why text messages with that? Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. You just said before we went on, you kind of surprised it rose to this level, given what his alleged issue was or his misbehaving was. But yeah, election night on Tuesday, he's celebrating. Wednesday he drops out.
00:00:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was surprised.
00:00:38
Speaker 3: Just maybe we're all so jaded with so many different political scandals that seemingly pop up at least once a week. But usually we've we've had some pretty significant accusations about cheating, about salacious texts when.
00:00:53
Speaker 1: I, oh, well, Gonzales come to mind.
00:00:55
Speaker 3: Yes, right exactly, and actual cheating, actual foul behavior. And I'm not saying that what he did was okay, but it just didn't seem like it was that terrible that he was forced out of the race.
00:01:08
Speaker 2: But yeah, he.
00:01:09
Speaker 3: Flirted with a woman, it sounded like on a text message while he was married.
00:01:13
Speaker 2: He is a pastor.
00:01:15
Speaker 1: But okay, I mean, look, Luis should start with that off the top. What he did was wrong. Of course, what he did is inappropriate. Now where you put it on the scale, knock yourself out. But the point is nobody is making up for it or making any excuse for it, and he has taken responsibility himself. What we're talking about is Jackson Lawmeyer is his name, but he was until yesterday a candidate in the first congressional district in Oklahoma. He was involved in the runoff on Tuesday, excuse me, in the primary on Tuesday, he and another guy didn't get over the fifty percent threshold till now they are gonna go head to head or the plan was to then go head to head for the Republican nomination, maybe get the seat. Okay, this is where we are. The next day an article comes out in which it exposes these text messages he shared with a staffer who also happens to be a former beauty pageant contestant.
00:02:14
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe.
00:02:15
Speaker 3: He said she was cute, and he suggested perhaps that she should maybe swing by the hotel room. But nothing ever came out of it. He said, he ended all communications with her. Maybe I had a little bit of a moment where he realized maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Maybe this is the wrong thing to do, but look, he was an unbelievable supporter of President Trump to the point where he helped get him elected. I mean, he was a huge part of Trump's rise to politics, or at least rise to presidents.
00:02:47
Speaker 1: And we I think you already said what it should be noted again, He's a pastor and part of his work with Trump had to do with him being a pastor in a group he found it Robes Pastors for Trump. This is the name. This guy was very much a maga hero, at least in the President's eyes, and the President endorsed him. Yeah, they endorsed him strongly, and even Robes on Tuesday night after the election, put up a thing on his social media like he often does, the president, taking credit for like Trump endorsed candidate advances. Right, he loves putting.
00:03:22
Speaker 2: Those things up.
00:03:22
Speaker 1: So Tuesday night he was pushing and bragging about this guy. So what happened and what changed? Well, Robes apparently just it being exposed because he's as far as he and.
00:03:34
Speaker 2: His wife go, they're cool.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: They were pasted.
00:03:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were passive.
00:03:38
Speaker 3: Do we know how long ago these text messages were sent, not to put you on the spot.
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Speaker 1: But how long, how many years back?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just one of those things where yeah, you get and you're just it's always curious who had those text messages, who sent them to the tabloid, who then published them. I mean, obviously someone was trying to get him out of the.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Race, and his the woman he exchanged messages with is giving quotes out there and speaking to the media. She would be the only one correct who was in possession of said text messages. So and there's no accusation out there. And please, if you've seen something different of any criminal behavior or anything like that, harassment or assault or there's nothing like that.
00:04:22
Speaker 2: But some flirtatious yeah, some cirtatious texts.
00:04:26
Speaker 3: Who knows what the motivation was, but we all know the saying, hell hath no fury like a scorned woman or a woman scorned. So you know, look, there usually is some reason why something like this would come out.
00:04:36
Speaker 2: The timing is curious. Maybe they wanted to see her.
00:04:38
Speaker 1: It is not curious.
00:04:39
Speaker 3: I meant that sarcastically, like, obviously it's curious. It just now would come out right after he is in a runoff, right, I guess was it the day after the primary?
00:04:49
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, that was deliberate.
00:04:52
Speaker 3: So he did put out a statement because initially what happened, correct, he is in this runoff, and then the the tabloid posts the texts and then President Trump switched his endorsement.
00:05:05
Speaker 2: Did that happen?
00:05:07
Speaker 1: Now that timing was curious, as you were saying, because the President put up a post switching to the other guy. Yes, and then a short time.
00:05:15
Speaker 3: Later he drops out out because he knew if he didn't have Trump's endorsement, he had no shot of winning propably.
00:05:20
Speaker 1: And it had seem to be some coordination behind the scenes, and the President maybe knew this was coming or knew he wasn't going to stick around in the race. But yes, this was his statement after yeah, announcing that he was going to be getting out of the race.
00:05:33
Speaker 3: Yes, he said, after prayer, full consideration with my wife Kendra, and my team over the last twenty four hours, I've made the difficult decision to suspend my campaign for Congress. I do not want to be a distraction to my family, my church, and the great people of Oklahoma's first congressional district, who deserve a strong conservative voice representing them in Washington. Look, that is the noble thing to do, to step down that it would have been a distraction. He knew his wife, his family, his church would probably all be dragged through the mud given this these text messages.
00:06:07
Speaker 1: Again, maybe yes, he did the right thing after doing the wrong thing. You can, of course make all of those arguments. What do you do with these things? If his wife forgives him, the voters will decide to forgive him or not. But they won't even get a chance to decide. And some people might completely hold him to a higher standard. You're a pastor one, and now you want to be a US congressman. That is a higher standard. Even a flirtatious text message tells me you're not good enough to go to Congress. Okay, And some people make that determination. I hate it's being determined for him through a salacious narrative.
00:06:48
Speaker 2: Yes, that is.
00:06:50
Speaker 3: Tough when you see these types of things, But I do I think anyone going into office or running for office, anyone who has any skeletons in her clause, that has to assume, at least in this digital age, if someone else has access to it, you're likely going to be.
00:07:05
Speaker 2: Dragged through the mud. Period.
00:07:07
Speaker 3: That's just the way American politics works. It's the way politics work everywhere. But it is one of those moments when you make that choice, you are opening yourself up for anything and everything to come out.
00:07:18
Speaker 1: So the president, this is how he put it. After the story at least broke about the text messages, and we say his story broke, well, just sound like old news in his family though, yeah, within him and his wife.
00:07:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't seem the way he reacted, it didn't seem as though this came as any surprise to his wife.
00:07:34
Speaker 1: Man, this is how the President put it. Quote, I greatly appreciate Jackson Lahmeyer's hard work under difficult circumstances. He's always been with me and I will always be with him. But when it comes to the current congression race for Oklahoma's first congressional district, I will be supporting america First patriot, Mark Tedford. That we get. It makes sense. And he was nice to the guy on the guy's way out.
00:07:56
Speaker 2: I mean that's rare.
00:07:57
Speaker 1: He didn't have to say anything at all. He could have just said switching, but that was that. Lets you know the type of loyalty. This guy has had to Trump because he seems to have a little respect for the soldier he's been for him. He didn't have to say his name at all.
00:08:11
Speaker 3: It's I still am kind of from you're right, And so that was a big nod to him and perhaps maybe his ability to come back maybe next election cycle, after he's done his work and he's gone to therapy or done whatever it is people do to rehabilitate themselves. But look, President Trump and so many other politicians, I'm just amazed, have survived far worse than some sortatious texts. So it's just interesting that this one undid him.
00:08:37
Speaker 1: We read you the statement he said or announcing that he was getting out of the race. But stay here, we're gonna go back to the statement he initially made after the article came out. He was singing a much different tune.
00:08:50
Speaker 3: Stay here, Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about a Republican candidate who was forced to drop out of the race for Congress in Oklahoma. We're talking about Jackson Lawmackmeyer. He's a pastor, a MAGA supporter, a huge fan of Trump's, and Trump is a huge fan of his. However, he apparently could not survive this texting scandal.
00:09:24
Speaker 2: Is that what we're calling it?
00:09:25
Speaker 3: Where some flirtatious texts that he apparently sent to an ex staffer were made public the night after the day after he did well in his primary and was set to run off in a runoff election.
00:09:39
Speaker 2: Excuse me for that congressional seat. And now he has dropped out of the race.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: Uh, Like you said, Rob, we've seen people behaving much worse. Don't know if there should be a sliding scale. It all goes into the same basket. But this is the guy who's not accused of having an affair. This is the guy who exchanged messages. Now how unwanted they were, there seemed to be an ongoing back and forth between the two of them, So it's not even right. So the accusation you're texting, you're texting sweet nothings to somebody who's not your wife. That's a no no, that's the end of it. The voters won't get to decide whether or not they forgive him for that because he's chosen to step out because I guess Robes to your point, his wife, his family is church, gonna have to deal with this for the next several months of the campaign.
00:10:24
Speaker 2: That's tough.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: And once you know what it feels like to have your name and the headlines like that, and your family being talked about by folks, that's just some that's just untenable for a lot of people. And if he could make it go away by dropping out, maybe you know, who knows, maybe his wife wanted him to at this point, she's that's a lot of unnecessary negativity if you've already moved past it, And that's what he talked about.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: Already moved past and already went through it. Yeah, Robes, that's difficult in a relationship, Barry. I mean she's already been through. Now she's got a publicly so and who knows how he's going to be received. Come at his.
00:11:00
Speaker 2: Church, yeah, where he is the master.
00:11:03
Speaker 3: Right. So his initial statement, this was immediately after the text messages were published, he said, this matter was already dealt with privately between me and my wife Kendra, through counsel and prayer with God and spiritual advisors. I own crossing a boundary line through text messaging. I also ended all communication. The British tabloid tried to paint me out in a way, which is not the case.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: That's frustrating.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: I mean Robzad's I don't know. There are folks who say, yes, everything in your life, everything you've done wrong, should be exposed. Nothing is private, it should be out there. But you know, these things have consequences for the fodder has consequences for family. Yeah, it's just a clickable story, a headline grabbing story, and it's supposed to be salacious. And if he made whatever mistake, look if his wife can forgive him, I would at least listen.
00:12:09
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and look, we have stand by your man. We have just seen this exact scenario. But actually, like I said, far worse scenario play out in American politics time and time again.
00:12:20
Speaker 2: Some people survive it, some people don't.
00:12:22
Speaker 3: But when your wife stands by you and you've worked through it, it sounds like, yes, they did get outside help, they had spiritual advisors, they had counseling, They got through it to the other side. Then to have to rehash it all again in front of everybody, that's just that's tough.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: Well, we have to find some line of unforgivable, and it seems like that line is not a really high bar you find out anything that someone has ever done wrong, if they accidentally kicked the dog. Once you're over, yeah, you're finished because of things like this Robes. The man messed up that. We're all on the record with that. Yes, he messed up. Should it does he should he have to go through this with his family because he messed up.
00:13:11
Speaker 2: I'm someone who doesn't think. So.
00:13:12
Speaker 3: There are certain things, Yes, I think we need to know. And I appreciate when someone owns what they did wrong, talks about it, and learns from it. And I think that's part of the process of life. And anyone who acts as if they don't live in a glass house, that's hilarious to me. So I just I appreciate people who own things, people who move through things, who learn things and are there now saying here I am, and here's what happened. I actually think that's something to be applauded. We all make mistakes, we all do things we shouldn't. People who can own it and learn from it, I think are people who I would listen to.
00:13:46
Speaker 2: Now, obviously he's a pastor.
00:13:48
Speaker 3: He was a huge part of this evangelical movement supporting President trumpins so maybe when you talk about morality and you've now had a glaring misstep, maybe that's just too difficult given the position you're in and given the message you've been sending to other folks about what's right and what's wrong as a pastor.
00:14:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds us our pastors ain't perfect. Right. We can start naming those who've had scandals and been in jail and whatever else, but ah, but the kindra right.
00:14:18
Speaker 3: Yes, we hope that they can continue to heal and maybe getting out of the public spotlight is exactly what they needed. Just wanted to put this on your radar, everybody. We always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
00:14:31
Speaker 2: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, June tenth, and he had a successful, a successful election night this week. That was on Tuesday. On Wednesday, he dropped out of the race altogether. Why text messages with that? Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. You just said before we went on, you kind of surprised it rose to this level, given what his alleged issue was or his misbehaving was. But yeah, election night on Tuesday, he's celebrating. Wednesday he drops out.
00:00:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was surprised.
00:00:38
Speaker 3: Just maybe we're all so jaded with so many different political scandals that seemingly pop up at least once a week. But usually we've we've had some pretty significant accusations about cheating, about salacious texts when.
00:00:53
Speaker 1: I, oh, well, Gonzales come to mind.
00:00:55
Speaker 3: Yes, right exactly, and actual cheating, actual foul behavior. And I'm not saying that what he did was okay, but it just didn't seem like it was that terrible that he was forced out of the race.
00:01:08
Speaker 2: But yeah, he.
00:01:09
Speaker 3: Flirted with a woman, it sounded like on a text message while he was married.
00:01:13
Speaker 2: He is a pastor.
00:01:15
Speaker 1: But okay, I mean, look, Luis should start with that off the top. What he did was wrong. Of course, what he did is inappropriate. Now where you put it on the scale, knock yourself out. But the point is nobody is making up for it or making any excuse for it, and he has taken responsibility himself. What we're talking about is Jackson Lawmeyer is his name, but he was until yesterday a candidate in the first congressional district in Oklahoma. He was involved in the runoff on Tuesday, excuse me, in the primary on Tuesday, he and another guy didn't get over the fifty percent threshold till now they are gonna go head to head or the plan was to then go head to head for the Republican nomination, maybe get the seat. Okay, this is where we are. The next day an article comes out in which it exposes these text messages he shared with a staffer who also happens to be a former beauty pageant contestant.
00:02:14
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe.
00:02:15
Speaker 3: He said she was cute, and he suggested perhaps that she should maybe swing by the hotel room. But nothing ever came out of it. He said, he ended all communications with her. Maybe I had a little bit of a moment where he realized maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Maybe this is the wrong thing to do, but look, he was an unbelievable supporter of President Trump to the point where he helped get him elected. I mean, he was a huge part of Trump's rise to politics, or at least rise to presidents.
00:02:47
Speaker 1: And we I think you already said what it should be noted again, He's a pastor and part of his work with Trump had to do with him being a pastor in a group he found it Robes Pastors for Trump. This is the name. This guy was very much a maga hero, at least in the President's eyes, and the President endorsed him. Yeah, they endorsed him strongly, and even Robes on Tuesday night after the election, put up a thing on his social media like he often does, the president, taking credit for like Trump endorsed candidate advances. Right, he loves putting.
00:03:22
Speaker 2: Those things up.
00:03:22
Speaker 1: So Tuesday night he was pushing and bragging about this guy. So what happened and what changed? Well, Robes apparently just it being exposed because he's as far as he and.
00:03:34
Speaker 2: His wife go, they're cool.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: They were pasted.
00:03:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were passive.
00:03:38
Speaker 3: Do we know how long ago these text messages were sent, not to put you on the spot.
00:03:41
Speaker 1: But how long, how many years back?
00:03:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just one of those things where yeah, you get and you're just it's always curious who had those text messages, who sent them to the tabloid, who then published them. I mean, obviously someone was trying to get him out of the.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Race, and his the woman he exchanged messages with is giving quotes out there and speaking to the media. She would be the only one correct who was in possession of said text messages. So and there's no accusation out there. And please, if you've seen something different of any criminal behavior or anything like that, harassment or assault or there's nothing like that.
00:04:22
Speaker 2: But some flirtatious yeah, some cirtatious texts.
00:04:26
Speaker 3: Who knows what the motivation was, but we all know the saying, hell hath no fury like a scorned woman or a woman scorned. So you know, look, there usually is some reason why something like this would come out.
00:04:36
Speaker 2: The timing is curious. Maybe they wanted to see her.
00:04:38
Speaker 1: It is not curious.
00:04:39
Speaker 3: I meant that sarcastically, like, obviously it's curious. It just now would come out right after he is in a runoff, right, I guess was it the day after the primary?
00:04:49
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, that was deliberate.
00:04:52
Speaker 3: So he did put out a statement because initially what happened, correct, he is in this runoff, and then the the tabloid posts the texts and then President Trump switched his endorsement.
00:05:05
Speaker 2: Did that happen?
00:05:07
Speaker 1: Now that timing was curious, as you were saying, because the President put up a post switching to the other guy. Yes, and then a short time.
00:05:15
Speaker 3: Later he drops out out because he knew if he didn't have Trump's endorsement, he had no shot of winning propably.
00:05:20
Speaker 1: And it had seem to be some coordination behind the scenes, and the President maybe knew this was coming or knew he wasn't going to stick around in the race. But yes, this was his statement after yeah, announcing that he was going to be getting out of the race.
00:05:33
Speaker 3: Yes, he said, after prayer, full consideration with my wife Kendra, and my team over the last twenty four hours, I've made the difficult decision to suspend my campaign for Congress. I do not want to be a distraction to my family, my church, and the great people of Oklahoma's first congressional district, who deserve a strong conservative voice representing them in Washington. Look, that is the noble thing to do, to step down that it would have been a distraction. He knew his wife, his family, his church would probably all be dragged through the mud given this these text messages.
00:06:07
Speaker 1: Again, maybe yes, he did the right thing after doing the wrong thing. You can, of course make all of those arguments. What do you do with these things? If his wife forgives him, the voters will decide to forgive him or not. But they won't even get a chance to decide. And some people might completely hold him to a higher standard. You're a pastor one, and now you want to be a US congressman. That is a higher standard. Even a flirtatious text message tells me you're not good enough to go to Congress. Okay, And some people make that determination. I hate it's being determined for him through a salacious narrative.
00:06:48
Speaker 2: Yes, that is.
00:06:50
Speaker 3: Tough when you see these types of things, But I do I think anyone going into office or running for office, anyone who has any skeletons in her clause, that has to assume, at least in this digital age, if someone else has access to it, you're likely going to be.
00:07:05
Speaker 2: Dragged through the mud. Period.
00:07:07
Speaker 3: That's just the way American politics works. It's the way politics work everywhere. But it is one of those moments when you make that choice, you are opening yourself up for anything and everything to come out.
00:07:18
Speaker 1: So the president, this is how he put it. After the story at least broke about the text messages, and we say his story broke, well, just sound like old news in his family though, yeah, within him and his wife.
00:07:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't seem the way he reacted, it didn't seem as though this came as any surprise to his wife.
00:07:34
Speaker 1: Man, this is how the President put it. Quote, I greatly appreciate Jackson Lahmeyer's hard work under difficult circumstances. He's always been with me and I will always be with him. But when it comes to the current congression race for Oklahoma's first congressional district, I will be supporting america First patriot, Mark Tedford. That we get. It makes sense. And he was nice to the guy on the guy's way out.
00:07:56
Speaker 2: I mean that's rare.
00:07:57
Speaker 1: He didn't have to say anything at all. He could have just said switching, but that was that. Lets you know the type of loyalty. This guy has had to Trump because he seems to have a little respect for the soldier he's been for him. He didn't have to say his name at all.
00:08:11
Speaker 3: It's I still am kind of from you're right, And so that was a big nod to him and perhaps maybe his ability to come back maybe next election cycle, after he's done his work and he's gone to therapy or done whatever it is people do to rehabilitate themselves. But look, President Trump and so many other politicians, I'm just amazed, have survived far worse than some sortatious texts. So it's just interesting that this one undid him.
00:08:37
Speaker 1: We read you the statement he said or announcing that he was getting out of the race. But stay here, we're gonna go back to the statement he initially made after the article came out. He was singing a much different tune.
00:08:50
Speaker 3: Stay here, Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about a Republican candidate who was forced to drop out of the race for Congress in Oklahoma. We're talking about Jackson Lawmackmeyer. He's a pastor, a MAGA supporter, a huge fan of Trump's, and Trump is a huge fan of his. However, he apparently could not survive this texting scandal.
00:09:24
Speaker 2: Is that what we're calling it?
00:09:25
Speaker 3: Where some flirtatious texts that he apparently sent to an ex staffer were made public the night after the day after he did well in his primary and was set to run off in a runoff election.
00:09:39
Speaker 2: Excuse me for that congressional seat. And now he has dropped out of the race.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: Uh, Like you said, Rob, we've seen people behaving much worse. Don't know if there should be a sliding scale. It all goes into the same basket. But this is the guy who's not accused of having an affair. This is the guy who exchanged messages. Now how unwanted they were, there seemed to be an ongoing back and forth between the two of them, So it's not even right. So the accusation you're texting, you're texting sweet nothings to somebody who's not your wife. That's a no no, that's the end of it. The voters won't get to decide whether or not they forgive him for that because he's chosen to step out because I guess Robes to your point, his wife, his family is church, gonna have to deal with this for the next several months of the campaign.
00:10:24
Speaker 2: That's tough.
00:10:25
Speaker 3: And once you know what it feels like to have your name and the headlines like that, and your family being talked about by folks, that's just some that's just untenable for a lot of people. And if he could make it go away by dropping out, maybe you know, who knows, maybe his wife wanted him to at this point, she's that's a lot of unnecessary negativity if you've already moved past it, And that's what he talked about.
00:10:48
Speaker 1: Already moved past and already went through it. Yeah, Robes, that's difficult in a relationship, Barry. I mean she's already been through. Now she's got a publicly so and who knows how he's going to be received. Come at his.
00:11:00
Speaker 2: Church, yeah, where he is the master.
00:11:03
Speaker 3: Right. So his initial statement, this was immediately after the text messages were published, he said, this matter was already dealt with privately between me and my wife Kendra, through counsel and prayer with God and spiritual advisors. I own crossing a boundary line through text messaging. I also ended all communication. The British tabloid tried to paint me out in a way, which is not the case.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: That's frustrating.
00:11:31
Speaker 1: I mean Robzad's I don't know. There are folks who say, yes, everything in your life, everything you've done wrong, should be exposed. Nothing is private, it should be out there. But you know, these things have consequences for the fodder has consequences for family. Yeah, it's just a clickable story, a headline grabbing story, and it's supposed to be salacious. And if he made whatever mistake, look if his wife can forgive him, I would at least listen.
00:12:09
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and look, we have stand by your man. We have just seen this exact scenario. But actually, like I said, far worse scenario play out in American politics time and time again.
00:12:20
Speaker 2: Some people survive it, some people don't.
00:12:22
Speaker 3: But when your wife stands by you and you've worked through it, it sounds like, yes, they did get outside help, they had spiritual advisors, they had counseling, They got through it to the other side. Then to have to rehash it all again in front of everybody, that's just that's tough.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: Well, we have to find some line of unforgivable, and it seems like that line is not a really high bar you find out anything that someone has ever done wrong, if they accidentally kicked the dog. Once you're over, yeah, you're finished because of things like this Robes. The man messed up that. We're all on the record with that. Yes, he messed up. Should it does he should he have to go through this with his family because he messed up.
00:13:11
Speaker 2: I'm someone who doesn't think. So.
00:13:12
Speaker 3: There are certain things, Yes, I think we need to know. And I appreciate when someone owns what they did wrong, talks about it, and learns from it. And I think that's part of the process of life. And anyone who acts as if they don't live in a glass house, that's hilarious to me. So I just I appreciate people who own things, people who move through things, who learn things and are there now saying here I am, and here's what happened. I actually think that's something to be applauded. We all make mistakes, we all do things we shouldn't. People who can own it and learn from it, I think are people who I would listen to.
00:13:46
Speaker 2: Now, obviously he's a pastor.
00:13:48
Speaker 3: He was a huge part of this evangelical movement supporting President trumpins so maybe when you talk about morality and you've now had a glaring misstep, maybe that's just too difficult given the position you're in and given the message you've been sending to other folks about what's right and what's wrong as a pastor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds us our pastors ain't perfect. Right. We can start naming those who've had scandals and been in jail and whatever else, but ah, but the kindra right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we hope that they can continue to heal and maybe getting out of the public spotlight is exactly what they needed. Just wanted to put this on your radar, everybody. We always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 2: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.