Epstein Files: Where Are They, Why Have Some Disappeared, Then Reappeared, And Will We Ever See ALL Of Them?

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Speaker 1: Hey there everybody, it is Monday, December twenty second, and h there are so many questions following that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be a Department of Justice dump on all of the Epstein files, But now the questions are, what is actually in the files? Why have some disappeared over the weekend, and then some of them reappeared, and where the hell are the rest of them? There are a lot of questions not just from lawmakers, from victims, but from just the general public who thought this was going to be the moment where we found out everything. Yeah, turns out that just wasn't the case. Were you surprised that the Department of Justice didn't release all the Epstein files by midnight on Friday?

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Speaker 3: Surprise? They admitted it. I'm surprised. I didn't think it was the end. No matter what, they're going to still be people out there who say something's missing, or people are going to say that I expected that stuff, but they fled out said yeah, we're not ready. We'll get it to you when we damn well please. That surprised me.

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Speaker 2: That is surprising.

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Speaker 1: And then the headlines also that at least sixteen files that appeared on Friday night suddenly were gone on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: If the whole point.

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Speaker 1: Of this was transparency, I feel like the Department of Justice accomplished the exact opposite.

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Speaker 3: There won't be any transparency, I believe until someone that the public at least believes is in no way connected to it and has every incentive to get everything out. And that might be years and years down the road. But as long as this administration is there, no one's ever going to believe that this Department of Justice is going to put everything out to either because it's everybody, because they believe is either going to hurt Trump or hurt his allies. Nobody will ever be convinced. So here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like this made it worse. I don't think it made it better. I feel like it made it worse. What stood out to you? We saw the headlines over the weekend and look a lot of pictures of former President Bill Clinton came out that were embarrassing maybe, but they weren't criminal. They didn't point to any illegal activities or behavior and really bolstered what he's.

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Speaker 2: Been saying all along.

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Speaker 1: However, probably didn't feel great to see those photos released, and it seems like there were a lot of photos of Bill Clinton and not so many of President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Shocker, And that was one of the biggest issues with this release of documents over the weekend because there was a photo of Trump that people were aware of that disappeared and then came back, and then there was an explanation for why that took place. So that makes you think, well, what else have they done like that? There is nobody who trusts this process. So this was a long exercise in what because until robes something is released that shows in some people's minds that Trump is a criminal, nobody's ever going to be happy. Yeah, so just just deal with it.

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Speaker 1: So that image you were talking about, there was particularly an image of Jeffrey Epstein's desk or credenza, whatever you want to call it, and it had a bunch of photos on top of the desk and then inside a drawer that was pulled out and among the photos there was a photo of Trump, Epstein, Milania, and Galine all together and I feel like we've seen that photo before, but it was there. And then there was another one with Trump before he was president, alongside some bikini clad women. So that photo just poof went away. On Saturday it was gone, and so Democrats on the House Oversight Committee went and took it to Twitter and or sorry x and said what else is being covered up?

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Speaker 2: We need transparency for the American people.

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Speaker 1: So then the Department of Justice put that picture back up. I just think it's one of those things where it's a problem, they'd take it down, and when people get upset about it, they put it back up. And they did say that it was the Southern District of New York that flagged some of the photos because they were concerned that maybe some victims might have been depicted in these photos, so they had to pull it to make sure that they weren't outing someone who shouldn't have been outed.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, do you buy that? I think that could be legitimate.

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Speaker 2: It could be legitimate.

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Speaker 1: The comments below the official Department of Justice response were things like, sorry, we got caught. I mean people weren't buying it out of an abundance of caution, my ass and know that kind of thing. They weren't buying it, so and they.

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Speaker 3: Have legitimate reasons not to buy it.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Another example of what.

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Speaker 1: Took away from this idea of transparency, the DOJ released a grandeury document that people were really looking forward to in terms of what it could reveal. And the document was completely and entirely redacted. It was literally the document was there and everything was blacked out. So then, of course, yes, people went to x and got upset, and then they then re released the document with just a few redactions, and that document was actually interesting. This was about an FBI agent testifying about the interviews with several of those women that went back to the nineteen nineties. So it was showing that FBI agents and the Department of Justice were aware of criminal activities by Jeffrey Epstein as reported to them by girls as young as fourteen. And so this was actually new information and new interviews, and the fact that the first iteration of it was completely blacked out just fueled all the conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just I don't know, I don't know what to do with these files. I mean, what's the next step? Are are are these members of Congress going to say, now every single thing that's been redacted needs to be released unredacted.

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Speaker 2: There are some members who do say that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and then once that's done and it's still not what you want what's going to be the next thing and the next thing. There is nothing that's going to satisfy the public or Democrats who feel that there's blood in the water between Trump and Epstein. I just, Robes, this is just it's exhausting, and we're getting nowhere and we're revictimizing these victims. We're just doing this all over again. Wait for it's like slap in the face and insult to the victims. And that's all. What are we I don't know, Robes, what you tell me? What's going to satisfy the public? They go, Okay, it's all out and now we can trust we have the information. Now let's go through it.

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Speaker 1: And when you say it's all out, I don't know how true this is, but this is crazy. So Todd Blanche who's been a big part of this, he said that federal prosecute have more than three point six million records from sex trafficking investigations involving Gallaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Three point six million records. Yeah, and okay, well that's mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: How do you release right? They say that.

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Speaker 1: He said that several hundred thousand more files will become available over the next couple weeks. That's the word we got as to what we can expect in the coming weeks from this massive release of DJ files.

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Speaker 3: Oh he hundreds of lawyers is how he put it. Yes, go, I cannot imagine this process. What do you do? You can't just throw everything out there? But also, did they have enough time? Was thirty days reasonable? Is that being talked about enough? Is it actually possible to do? And others will argue they should have been They've been working on this stuff for years, they shouldn't have taken it. I don't know, ROMs what this everybody had this date circled, this is the day it's all coming, and right now they haven't gotten anything.

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Speaker 1: It makes a mockery of not just the back and forth that went into passing this act, what Trump did to try and discourage and then later encourage Republicans to pass it and then sign it, and then all that's done, right, all that's being publicized. Trump ran on this transparency of the Epstein investigation, and now the deadline comes and we get like drips and dribbles, and then they put it out, then they take it away. All that does is further undermine the trust Americans have when it comes to our government. So it did the opposite of what the intention.

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Speaker 3: Was Epstein Transparency Act redacted.

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like Epstein Transparency Act can be used to like to describe anything that's full of ba.

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Speaker 3: Right now, yeah, oh this is great now?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So because now the Justice Department saying it plans to release the records on a rolling basis. I love that's they're literally giving themselves no actual further deadline because once they missed the Friday deadline. Now they're just kind of saying, yeah, we're not even gonna make you any sort of actual timeline. We're just gonna tell you we're gonna release hundreds of thousands of new documents on a rolling.

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Speaker 3: Basis, and you're gonna forget about this after Christmas.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're hoping, right.

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Speaker 3: But who's gonna what are you gonna yell about? Now? We were yelling to get the bill passed, right, that was a fight. We got the bill passed. They were yelling, we got it, we got Okay, you got it. What's the next thing you want to what's the next step they can take?

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Speaker 1: The next it The only thing they can do is release all the documents period.

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Speaker 3: Well, totally unredacted, because if there are, if there are five words redacted out of those three million documents, people will say those are the five the most important words, and that the administration is hiding something.

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Speaker 1: And if names are redacted, which I can understand about victims, they'll claim that names of potential millionaire businessmen, their names were also blacked out to like, we just won't ever know. You have to actually not redact anything for people to actually buy. The problem is, how do you know what they didn't give you?

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Speaker 2: Like, if it's true that there are three.

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Speaker 1: Point six million records, how will we know if they don't give us three of the ones that actually everybody wants to see.

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Speaker 3: So the point being that this is point less, that no one is ever going to believe.

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Speaker 2: It's a circus.

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Speaker 3: Even if they put every single thing out, nobody's ever going to believe that it's everything.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that you are correct in that, And this never ends. There'll never be a there'll never be an ending that's satisfactory to everyone, and maybe even to anyone. I don't know anyone who feels satisfied right now when it comes to what's been done and what's been released, and I don't think I mean, who trusts our government these days? Like who trusts our government?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's polling on that. All right.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to talk about what the next steps are, because we're already hearing from two lawmakers, one a Republican won a Democrat, and they had a lot to do with this Transparency Act to begin with, and what they want to do to Pam Bondi. And also we're going to hear from the victims and their reaction to what's been released so far. Welcome back everyone, as we continue to talk about what. Yeah, everyone's been talking about.

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Speaker 3: I wants to stop talking about at some point, please.

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Speaker 2: You've asked, You're like, do we have to keep talking about this? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Apparently we do because the government, it's this is shocking, didn't do what it said it was going to do.

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Speaker 2: The Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Were all supposed to be really on Friday by midnight.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: They released some, took back some of the stuff they released, tried to explain why, and now they're saying we're gonna get to it when we get to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just a typical week in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Really, why are we surprised? This is how our government operated.

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Speaker 3: What you say, do what they said they were going to do. This is still, folks, what they're required by law to do. They were supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: And who's going to hold them accountable?

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Speaker 3: How's the dj going to hold the DOJ accountable?

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Speaker 2: No, they're not going to.

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Speaker 1: But Representative who is a Republican and then Rocanna, who's a Democrat from California. They're the ones who actually co sponsored the bill in the House to order the Department of Justice to release the Epstein files. Well, now those two have made the rounds and all the Sunday talk shows saying that they are now going to hold Justice Department officials accountable because this is some bs right, Okay, So they're claiming that they may bring inherent contempt charges against Pam Bondyo.

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Speaker 3: Do you like that? So?

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Speaker 2: But I so?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what inherent contempt charges are? It is a process that involves telling the House or Senate Sergeant at arms to detain or imprison the person in contempt that would be Pam Bondy Attorney General Pambondy until he or she honors congressional demands that isn't never going to happen. But don't dangle that this has never happened in modern times.

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Speaker 3: Why why come on? Man?

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Speaker 1: So now they're making threats that we are now publicly saying we highly doubt they will ever follow through with. As a parent, you know, do not tell your child if you do this, I'm gonna do this. You have to follow through. If you're gonna threat something or you're gonna trace it, I'm gonna hold you accountable.

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Speaker 2: You have to be willing to follow through.

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Speaker 3: You don't what I'm saying, Robes. They escalated an already heated environment by now saying we are going we're threatening to imprison you. This is what we're doing now. I just okay, fine. If anybody has a problem with Pam BONDI the DJ, okay fine, I'm saying there's plenty if you want to criticize, knock yourself out. But we have got to criticize this type of thing. And if you're listening and you're whatever side you're leaning, and you're actually thinking, well, no, this is what should happen, but just check yourself. You don't want this. I don't want to see this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take Pam Bondi away from her family at Christmas and put her in prison.

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Speaker 3: Okay, stop, this is not gonna happen. Obviously, we don't have to take it. You remember the last time she was up there, she spanked them pretty good during her hearing. So hell, we don't need to defend her. Should be fine.

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Speaker 1: So that came, Actually, that came from the Republican Massy Conna actually was a little more tempered. He said, our goal is not to take down Bondie. Our goal is to get the documents out for the survivors. Our goal is to take down the rich and powerful men who went to rape Island and covered up the abuse.

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Speaker 3: Who are these men that he's right? This is what he's doing. He's guessing, isn't he?

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Speaker 1: Yes, no men's names in any of the documents that have been released so far.

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Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of headlines said, like it's a dud.

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Speaker 1: There's all the things we're looking for aren't in the documents they release. So of course then people have to assume where are the documents that they haven't released, because that's where those men's names are.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because a US congressman that we trust, who's in that position just told us that there are rich and powerful men walking around this country who participated in sexually assaulting young women. Do I have that right?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Then how am I now? Okay? Where is that good? Because he told me it exists, So I'm.

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Speaker 2: Waiting and don't forget.

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Speaker 1: We heard from the Epstein survivors who say they're going to make a list, but they're going to keep it to themselves. This whole thing is frustrating, I guess for people who are truth seekers, for people who want answers, this has been an incredibly frustrating exercise that has gone on for decades, and it's frustrating. I can't think of another way to describe this.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We heard from one of the lawyers who represents a bunch of Epstein victims and survivors, and she said that her clients feel vindicated after the document release, and I would say it's mostly because of that FBI one of those the grandjury testimony where they did actually show and prove through this testimony that the government was aware that they heard from multiple young women as young as fourteen who all described the exact same behavior by Jeffrey Epstein, and the government chose to do nothing about it. So I do think in that particular time transcript, there is some feeling of validation and vindication. They said that they thought for years to get that document and documents that support that type of testimony, so that people could see that the government did know and chose to do nothing. She said, it's a triumph and a tragedy. It looks like the government did absolutely nothing. Horrible things have happened, and if they investigated in even the smallest way, they could have stopped him. And that is what this is all about. There does need to be some sort of accountability if the government was aware this was going on, gave him a sweetheart deal in two thousand and seven and let him continue to do what he was doing. We do need to have some answers, and there does need to be some sort of repercussion.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so tell me what the percentage of the headlines that you saw that were focusing on that instead of what wasn't there? What was redacted? A picture of Bill Clinton? Right? I read that too, but I had to deep dive, so this was not in.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point, babe, That is such a good point.

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Speaker 3: So that's being missed something that does indicate the vic it does get missed, and the relevant things that need to be followed up and who was there and actually holding maybe somebody accountable that was with the FBI or part of the investigator whatever at the time. Look into that cool, But it has it turned into a circus, a headline circus, a tabloid circus to a certain degree, looking for the most salacious things possible. I don't know if it's about holding anybody accountable anymore other than just political back and forth.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's so sad.

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Speaker 1: That point is the saddest part about all of this, that it has become a political hot potato. It's become a way to drum up support for your individual campaign because you look like the person who stood up to the big guy or the people who were deceiving you. And it's about making your voters think that the other side is the side that's hiding stuff, and so both sides are saying it's your fault, it's your fault, and it really has just become a game of reelection, a game of power. It has nothing to do with actually finding the truth. And that's where we.

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Speaker 3: Are digging those three million pages all you want documents. Maybe there's some truth in there, but Robes, no, this is not going away, but it might for the holidays, right the documents go out on a Friday, the last weekend before Christmas, right shopping weekend before Christmas. And now maybe this gets a little quiet or starts to fade a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Really, that might happen, and people get fatigued, They get I think we're in Epstein fatigue right now. And yes, Party of One raising his hand right there, because you get to a point where it's almost as if I feel like the government's hoping to confuse you, frustrate you.

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Speaker 2: Check enough that you just say.

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Speaker 3: I don't even care anymore, almost to check on that one as well. But man, what a shame we in all this, you know, and all the coverage as well, and not a lot of headlines say victims in them. Not a lot of headlines we ain't. Headlines are about who's on the Sunday shows, right, people who put out you know, I'm not gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: The people who were saying they want Pam BONDI imprisoned. That's who went on the Sunday shows. But we will keep our eye on this look and we will continue to look at the deeper headlines and to read through some of the BS political headlines that are out there for everyone to click on, and really try to continue to follow this case as it warrants. But with that everyone, thank you for listening to us. We appreciate you. I made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk to you soon