July 5, 2026
Does Divorce Make You Prettier? Women On TikTok Think So…..
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RSS Feed Women are posting their “divorce glow ups” online and it’s become quite the viral trend. You see their before and after photos with captions like “me as a wife” and then swipe to see “me as an ex-wife” and the transformations are significant. Women look fitter, sexier and yes, happier post divorce, but the experts say it’s not cosmetic surgeries or injections, it’s physiological. We obviously know a thing or two about divorce, and talk about how it’s a good thing to lessen the stigma around it, but warn there are some clear dangers in glamorizing the experience.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Sunday, July fifth, and divorce is a good thing and women have the pictures to prove it.
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Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious episode of Amy and DJ because Robes has just hit me with something here recently about a divorce glow up, something I'd never heard of before. But in what you've told me so far, Robes, I expect this to be a pretty heated episode.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is controversial. Does divorce make you prettier?
00:00:35
Speaker 2: Divorce make you prettier?
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's the question.
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Speaker 3: Look if this has become a pretty big they say viral trend on TikTok on social media. I actually dived in a bit to look at several women all trending, not several, like lots and thousands of women going onto TikTok basically showing a before and after before divorce, after divorce and different women. I'll just described some of the videos, but some show women like crying and despondent, looking sad. Their skin's dull, their hair is messed up, they're they're in the middle of a toxic relationship. And then so a lot of them will say things like me as a wife, and then you you'll go through and you'll swipe through some of these pictures where yeah, she's either has gained some weight, looks frumpy, looks sad, there's her eyes look dead. And then you keep swiping and then it'll say me as an ex wife, and all of a sudden, she's hot, she's.
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Speaker 4: Sexy, she's like, she's fitter, she's.
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Speaker 3: Happier, she's it's just like a completely different energy and in some cases it actually looks like a completely different woman.
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Speaker 2: The hashtag glow up.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely divorce gloub me as a wife, me as an ex wife, his wife, his ex wife dropped, a husband found the glow. Divorce didn't break me, it rebuilt me. So these are all the different basic they have these little byelines on the bottom of it, and then some of them go into detail. I was cute before, but every time I smiled in pictures there was literal pain and stress hidden behind my eyes. Amazing how much hotter I got leaving my marriage. If you're considering divorce, do it. One of the best decisions I've ever made. So look, a lot of people are saying, WHOA, we should not be promoting divorce.
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Speaker 4: This is not what we want.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of other people are saying it's giving permission to women for doing something that is taboo, something that is frowned upon from a societal standpoint, and it lets women know that it's okay to get divorced and actually you could be better than you are now if you leave a toxic relationship.
00:02:53
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh okay, Okay, what's next? Before I completely dive into this any other headlines, the highlights, I need to know what's the debate about it.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's the part of it as well.
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Speaker 3: So well, and this is interesting too because look, we can get into what experts have weighed in on a lot of this, and they have said that look in a lot of these pictures, and I went to go look and see, it's not about these women aren't getting cosmetic surgery. And I think that's what I thought initially when I saw a divorce glow up. I'm like, Okay, they're getting hair extensions, they're getting lip injections, they're getting botox, they are whatever.
00:03:29
Speaker 4: That's not actually what this is.
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Speaker 3: They say that the changes that these women are posting are actually physiological, because when you reduce stress, your nervous system recovers, and it was actually described that your face can actually soften literally, not just figuratively, not just you're smiling and you were frowning, you were crying, now you're leaping for joy. There was one woman I showed it to you who I believe was she crying in one photo and then the next one she's drinking in aperol sprits like it's just an energy shift.
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Speaker 4: And so they say, when.
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Speaker 3: Cortisol levels are elevated, meaning you're in a high stress situation, your face and your body hold it. You might have weight gain, you might be bloated, you might have dull skin, you might have thinning.
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Speaker 4: Hair because you're stressed.
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Speaker 3: Stress usually does not help physically when the way you look it usually takes away. It's detrimental. You're not sleeping, all of those things. So they say there's an explanation. When you relieve stress or when you get out of a toxic relationship, your whole chemistry, your body chemistry changes.
00:04:41
Speaker 2: I believe that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, since.
00:04:43
Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense. I'm still I'm learning about this.
00:04:48
Speaker 1: I have thoughts, so I'm trying to make sure I have all the information before I have a thought on this now or ease? I'm making sure no, because I'm looking at your notes. Any other detail that I need to know.
00:05:00
Speaker 4: Yes, here, I'll give a couple other expert explanations, and then I wonder.
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Speaker 3: A divorce glow up is what happens when a woman stops pouring her nervous system into managing someone else's emotional state aka marriage. I guess the glow is really energy reclamation, the visible expression.
00:05:21
Speaker 4: Of an auto a nervous system that finally got to rest. I don't even know what that word was. Something is happening.
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Speaker 3: Women do often look, feel, and function better in the month after leaving a depleting marriage. But again, it's not about the divorce. It's about the nervous system.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: Wait do it the nervous Wait what.
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Speaker 3: Your nervous system relaxes, so you look good, feel good, and you function better. And it's not necessarily about divorce. They don't want to say, like it's the divorce that did it. It's basically about your nervous system resting about suddenly now you're not stressed all the time.
00:05:59
Speaker 2: Okay, expert, what do they not like about this?
00:06:02
Speaker 1: Are there any experts out there who push back against this idea or even the that we're promoting it in such a way.
00:06:08
Speaker 2: Is there any pushback?
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Speaker 4: Well, no, and in fact I think they yes, they will.
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Speaker 3: They're actually saying that it's in a positive way, changing this stigma around divorce, and it's giving women permission because look, deep down, a lot of women stay in marriages and this is true.
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Speaker 4: And I don't want to just say women.
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Speaker 3: We can get into this because we had this, We had a little bit of a conversation about this beforehand that I don't know why we're solely focused on women, possibly because they're the ones posting this on TikTok. You're not seeing men necessarily doing divorce glow up. In fact, they probably get pushed back for it. But we can get into that. But I do think that this is something that they want women to feel like they can like it's okay, because you and I both know we've experienced it. When you get divorced, people tend to view you differently. You do have a label on you you and it's not a positive one, folks. It's considered a personal failure, I think by many people, and so we avoid it at all costs. But there could be a huge price to be paid. You might be paying a bigger price than you realize in terms of your health, how you look, how you feel by staying in something, because you don't want people to think negatively about you.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the positive.
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Speaker 3: Thing that a lot of times people aren't staying because they want to try and work on their marriage, or because they think they can make it better, or because they think that maybe it'll turn around. I think a lot of people do stay because they don't want the stigma. They don't want being they don't want to be judged. They don't want people to look at them differently, whether it's at their church or at their school or at their office.
00:07:43
Speaker 4: They don't want to be viewed through that lens. It's typically negative.
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Speaker 1: Okay, typically negative, Okay. I get all that. The problem I'm having is the focus on divorce and not the focus on toxic relationships. I don't like the idea that we are promoting and we're putting this label on a divorce glow up.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
00:08:04
Speaker 1: It's it's social media, and it's it's catchy, it's clever, and this. I don't like celebrating divorce. I'm not a fan, been through divorce and.
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Speaker 2: Been through divorce twice, and Robes.
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Speaker 1: The reason that so much of trouble did come to your point is because I was ashamed and I didn't want anybody to know I was getting divorced a second time, and so I didn't tell I didn't even tell my parents. I wanted to be done before I even told my parents, and so obviously I didn't tell the public.
00:08:37
Speaker 3: Why you didn't tell them because you didn't want the judgment, You didn't want the feedback, so you didn't want to admit it.
00:08:42
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. I mean two, that's twice. Who wants to be divorced twice? Nobody does, Robes. That's it's still it's it's I can talk about it, and we talk about it openly. Nine we do podcasts about it. We got I do part two where we talk about second and third chances. But still Robes. It feels like, and it will forever feel like I failed at something.
00:09:02
Speaker 2: Even if I failed.
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Speaker 1: Even if you don't think you failed in the marriage, you feel like you failed in choosing a partner for that marriage. You failed somewhere along the way to end up with two d's on your transcript.
00:09:14
Speaker 4: Yes, and I.
00:09:15
Speaker 3: Also will admit fully that it feels embarrassing is a good word. But I think shameful for me is that I actually pledged in front of my family and friends twice to love someone no matter what, to stay with someone no matter what. And when I chose differently after making that public vow and that legal vow, I ended things.
00:09:39
Speaker 4: That is shameful. It feels shameful, and maybe it should feel shameful. And that's kind of the point that you have to that's the whole point of marriage.
00:09:47
Speaker 3: But should it be a life sentence of misery if it doesn't work out?
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Speaker 1: But right, Robes, we both know how come relationships and marriages are. This is it's promoting this idea of.
00:10:08
Speaker 2: The solution is dumping.
00:10:10
Speaker 1: And again, people can be in toxic relationships, even abusive, we don't know. But this idea, it's just promoting this idea that your problem in life, your improvement in life has to do with this guy you're married to. Just dump that thing, just get rid of that thing, and all of a Suddain life turns around and Robes, there's something about promoting just this idea of that it's not about marriage. Or partnership or anything else of relationship. It's just a matter of dumping some weight and let's go party. It's kind of This is from a guy who's been divorced twice. I don't like how this feels a little flippant with marriage. And we have known people robes who have had divorce parties. We've known people who have celebrated and things. This I just and fine. I know, I know we all know. Robes the best health, the best father I have ever been in the most loving relationship I've ever been. It happened after I got divorced, like I needed, and I get that. But for me, can you imagine me as a man going I am wonderful now because I got rid of a woman.
00:11:22
Speaker 4: I think it would work for it never, it would never ever work.
00:11:25
Speaker 1: So these women have their individual stories, but as a collective and what's being promoted promoted I got some problems with.
00:11:34
Speaker 3: Yes, I think interestingly enough about trying to change the stigma. I do appreciate that. I do because look, divorce is hard, and I don't I think sometimes and I know we all know that intellectually, but to live through it and to have gone through.
00:11:51
Speaker 4: It twice both of us have done that. It is debilitating in moments.
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Speaker 3: I know that they say a month after leaving someone, you feel free, and I understand you do. You feel like you have a fresh start, you have a new chance, you have a new start, But there is still a deep part of I would imagine just about anybody who's married someone and lived with someone and built a life with someone. When that goes away for whatever reason, it there is a mourning period and a morning process and an opportunity to work on yourself. But yes, to just I think there's a concern to see it just looks like it's all beautiful and fun and wonderful. So there there's a little bit of a concern, yes, that you're that you're glamorizing almost divorce.
00:12:39
Speaker 1: See, and that is not about the stigma, right, there is a stigma to divorce. You want to come out and we can speak on it by talking about it openly. This is what I did wrong, This is what what went wrong, This is what I could have done differently, this is the mistake. Right, there's a way to talk. We can have a conversation about it. If all we're doing is just look at me, I'm better now that I'm not married. I don't like that. I don't and I get it. They have individual stories are they're not being talked about individually. This is a collective movement type of thing that people hear about, and all it sounds like is, Wow, I was married, now I'm not. There's a before and after without the context of what happens in the middle of the before and the after. I'm not crazy about that part. All I see is frumpy, overweight, no makeup, terrible hair, supermodel, Yeah, there is.
00:13:33
Speaker 2: It's done.
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Speaker 1: So that was tell everybody, well, shit, I just should get divorced. Then I should just get rid of this guy.
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Speaker 2: If dudes were.
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Speaker 4: Doing this, come on, oh, that would not.
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Speaker 1: Be Look at my glow up now, look at me now, you dog fit six pack.
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Speaker 2: Now that I'm out of that, look at my skin now.
00:13:55
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Clearer skin.
00:13:57
Speaker 3: People were showing they're like acne. Then once divorced, their skins clear. Basically, all your problems go away. Apparently, once you get divorced, that's the danger in this message.
00:14:11
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the danger in this mess.
00:14:13
Speaker 1: Isn't that the only minute? This isn't seriously Is it about self improvement? Is it about yes, excuse me, outside of the physical, because that seems to be all they're putting out. And when you're talking social media, it is pictures, is videos.
00:14:25
Speaker 4: The pictures.
00:14:26
Speaker 3: But they're saying it's because of internally what has shifted that has allowed the physical to rebound and glow up so to speak.
00:14:35
Speaker 1: Now I'm not stressed anymore. So I just lost six sizes in my.
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Speaker 4: Genes, Cortisol levels are down. You're not holding on to all of that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, those cells that are just storing fat, they're all released, and suddenly you get thin and fit and gorgeous. Your hair gets folder, your skin gets clearer, wries sparkle more.
00:14:55
Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah anybody? Okay, No, I think that robes. That is about improvement, self improvement. How do you do that? How do it's all apart? And you can do that while still being married? Can you do that while trying to improve that marriage? I don't know, because everybody has their own situation. But this is not promoting that. Yes, it's not promoting It's.
00:15:18
Speaker 3: About getting rid of the emotional drag, so to speak. But look, all relationships and your next relationship, you're gonna have problems.
00:15:25
Speaker 4: It's going to be emotional. It's not going to be easy. It's just the truth.
00:15:29
Speaker 1: Just glow up, get rid of every time, every time it's not going well.
00:15:33
Speaker 4: All right, this is interesting.
00:15:34
Speaker 3: When we come back, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about Jennifer Lopez.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: You love someone who knows divorce stop now.
00:15:44
Speaker 3: Just had a recent interview this week about this very thing. We'll tell you what she had to say and you'll get TJ's reaction when we come back.
00:15:54
Speaker 2: Don't you say nothing bad? But I'm a baby Jelo.
00:16:05
Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. As we talk about divorced glow ups, it's.
00:16:09
Speaker 4: A pretty big trend.
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Speaker 3: All you have to do is go on to TikTok, put that hashtag in and you'll see exactly what we're talking.
00:16:15
Speaker 2: You're seeing a single male.
00:16:17
Speaker 4: No, I only have seen women. I haven't seen one man.
00:16:20
Speaker 3: No, And I've seen you know, heterosexual relationships, lesbian relationships. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of a relationship you're in. And even people have break up glow up.
00:16:29
Speaker 4: So it's not just divorce glow up.
00:16:31
Speaker 3: They said heartbreak glow up, break up glow up. So you don't even have to be in a marriage. The point being is once you get rid of that toxic relationship, all of a sudden, you look fantastic.
00:16:41
Speaker 2: Do they use that term in this is it toxic relationship?
00:16:44
Speaker 4: I mean they have said toxic.
00:16:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, because look, if you're getting to the point where you're getting divorced or you're breaking up, typically it is fairly toxic.
00:16:51
Speaker 4: I mean that's just the reality.
00:16:53
Speaker 1: That's just take I In my head, toxic sounds other level, like people can be not compatible, fighting, having issues and whatnot, but.
00:17:00
Speaker 4: It's emotionally draining all of it.
00:17:03
Speaker 3: And maybe that's where the toxicity is, that you're just depleted because it's taking everything out of you. Yes, So j Lo interestingly just had a conversation about breakups and about embracing breakups. She was on a talk show Subway Takes.
00:17:19
Speaker 2: How many times divorce is four?
00:17:21
Speaker 3: She's had four divorces, I believe, Yes, And she's been engaged six times, I believe.
00:17:27
Speaker 4: So who knows about breakups?
00:17:30
Speaker 3: Yes, she's broken up and in one case twice with the same man.
00:17:33
Speaker 4: Ben Affleck.
00:17:34
Speaker 3: Only married him once, right, she only married him once, but she was engaged to him twice.
00:17:38
Speaker 4: So there were two breakups with him?
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Speaker 3: Wow? Right, So yeah, she's had six broken off engagements, some of them were married.
00:17:44
Speaker 1: Maybe this is why she looks so good. She always glows up after she's got constant breakups. Jalo glow.
00:17:50
Speaker 3: But she said, she said this, we should have a party when we break up. People should say you broke up, congratulations, because one you made a decision, and two it was probably the best thing for everybody.
00:18:06
Speaker 4: She said.
00:18:07
Speaker 3: And this is very much different from what we were just saying. Breakups are not a failure. I honestly feel like it's a launch pad into your next best self.
00:18:18
Speaker 1: She's learned a lot of lessons about herself in life. I soon through all those relationships, those breakups, I guess she had. I you know, I am not going to publicly go against Jalen.
00:18:32
Speaker 4: Right. Well, and look, I do appreciate what she said in here.
00:18:35
Speaker 3: She said, I feel like the biggest growth spurts I've had emotionally, mentally, physiologically, which is what these glow ups are all.
00:18:42
Speaker 4: About, have always come from heartbreak. She said.
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Speaker 3: You're like, what the f happened? How did I do this? Why do I keep doing this? Or why didn't that happen or what could I have done better? You change yourself And I do agree with that because I have done so much self reflection about where I went wrong, why I chose who I chose, and why I acted the way I did in that marriage.
00:19:07
Speaker 4: And I can't just blame the other person.
00:19:09
Speaker 3: You have to ask yourself, why have I made these choices and why did I behave a certain way that led to part of the broken dynamic?
00:19:18
Speaker 1: Well, can I ask what point do you learn that lesson? Or do you never really learn it right? She said, you're evolving. What mistakes did I make? Don't make them again? She's six engagements in Why do I.
00:19:30
Speaker 4: Keep doing this is one of her questions.
00:19:32
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking obviously what she said. Why do I keep doing it? When do you stop doing it? So I asked you this the recently robes and we didn't get into it was but it's a serious question. Right, I learned what I did and I got it wrong. I learned I got it wrong. I got it wrong. If you are constantly learning and evolving, how do you know you got it right? How do you know you're not in the same pattern? How do you know you haven't picked now a partner in me That is not the right part. I said that to you big, I'm taking this and I'm not actually feeling that way, but I'm saying in that theory of j LO, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning. When do you get it to where you don't have a seventh engagement and a fifth marriage?
00:20:14
Speaker 2: And that's for her that's probably.
00:20:16
Speaker 4: Very scary because do you trust yourself?
00:20:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is.
00:20:19
Speaker 1: Do you trust that you have learned that lesson? And you know I'm not doing that again?
00:20:24
Speaker 3: You know. And it's one of these things because we hear people say you know it in your gut, you feel it. But look, even in wonderful relationships, even you and me with like we have to me one of the most solid friendships, and even still when we're not right, when we're fighting, we all I always question it. You're like asking yourself, am I repeating patterns? Am I doing the same thing again? And your gut is all doing flip flops and summer ressaults and you think, oh no, And so yes, there is this feeling of can I trust myself? Am I doing the right thing? I think that's always going to be a part of it, so I don't. I hate the idea that somehow you get the right person and it's all just perfect, and it all just feels good and feels right, and your gut's always telling you you're in the right place with the right person. Nah, even in the right relationships with the right person, you can still have those moments. And I just think I would hate for anyone to be too quick to cut and run because oh see, I'm feeling toxic toxicity in my system again, and now I don't feel right.
00:21:24
Speaker 4: So this must not be right for me. I need to leave and get a glow up.
00:21:27
Speaker 1: Your experience can give you doubts or can give you confidence. Right, I've expered well, all right, I've been through this. Ooh, this isn't quite right. I better dip out now.
00:21:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: It's just and I get where Jaylo was coming from and what her Lord have mercy. We've gone along for much of that journey, but she continues to be on it. You know how I feel about j Lo, And I love that she hasn't stopped robes, she hasn't stopped pursuing, she hasn't stopped going after love. I don't know her, what her bad. I don't have no idea what's going on with her. But from Afar Robes, I applaud anybody who keeps trying.
00:22:00
Speaker 3: I do too, because, by the way, you don't have to get married. And I always have thought about this, Like for folks who put a stigma on divorces, Look there was a I actually think it's a beautiful thing.
00:22:11
Speaker 4: You believed in love, you believed in.
00:22:13
Speaker 3: Commitment, and look, you could have chosen never to get married and keep going from boyfriend to girlfriend of whatever, and people wouldn't judge.
00:22:21
Speaker 4: You the same way. They might be like, wow, that's weird he or.
00:22:24
Speaker 3: She never got married, but you're not judged the same way you are when you're divorced.
00:22:28
Speaker 1: Who's judged most hardly, harshly a forty five year old guy, no kids, never been married, dates around or a forty five year old guy twice.
00:22:40
Speaker 4: Divorced Absolutely the latter of the two.
00:22:43
Speaker 3: Really, yes, because you betrayed your family, you betrayed your wife, you left.
00:22:48
Speaker 4: They always probably assume you're the dog, right, you're the problem, yep, yep.
00:22:52
Speaker 3: And I think anyone who's been divorced more than once that's some serious judgment, you know.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: And I probably before when I.
00:22:59
Speaker 3: Was married the first time at twenty three, young and naive, if I heard somebody was twice divorce, I'd probably internally roll my eyes, like, oh, like you do, you make a judgment.
00:23:10
Speaker 4: But now, obviously living that and being that, I.
00:23:14
Speaker 3: See it so differently, and you give people so much more compassion and understand that life is complicated and it's not easy, and it's not.
00:23:22
Speaker 4: A one size fits all.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: But I do think the whole point is if you can learn, if you can do some internal growth, it's a good thing. And look, divorce is something that is so it is tragic, it is a tragedy. I understand why no one wants to call it a failure because I do think when you get uncomfortable and things break down, that is when you learn the most about yourself. I do agree with that, and I do believe that, and I think we need to give people some grace and understanding that you might not know the road they're walking down, you don't know the house they're living in. And I think that's what I've learned more than anything. And look, anytime someone can feel empowered that it's not all going to go wrong. I don't think you should ever make a decision based on what other people are going to think. And so if this TikTok trend gives some people permission or at least some inspiration to know that it's not the end of the world to have a d.
00:24:13
Speaker 4: After your name.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: In ropes, there are plenty of Yes we're talking about women, but people who are in relationships that they need to get.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: Out of today.
00:24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're probably going to stick in for the next year, two years, three years, for whatever reason.
00:24:28
Speaker 2: It might be.
00:24:29
Speaker 1: You and I were in similar positions but for different types of reasons. But people have really extreme reasons, right they need.
00:24:36
Speaker 2: To get away in some relationships.
00:24:38
Speaker 1: I just I get where this is coming from, and I think this will help and it can empower. I just you got to take these things. You got to look past the surface. And right now, the surface is pictures. The surface is fun.
00:24:53
Speaker 2: And look at me. Now, it looks amazing.
00:24:55
Speaker 3: Divorce looks amazing on this TikTok trend. Okay, with that looks like the best that could ever happen to someone.
00:25:01
Speaker 1: And it can be and it can put you in a better place. The conversation about how you get to that better place is. It's something I love getting rid of a stigma I have shied away from being a part of.
00:25:17
Speaker 2: I mean, whether we like it or not, we are.
00:25:20
Speaker 1: A part of pretty high profile divorce in this country and our story was so I haven't talked about divorce in such a way ropes comfortably and openly because it is. It's shameful and it's embarrassing.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: Divorce twice wants to do that.
00:25:37
Speaker 4: Nobody that.
00:25:38
Speaker 3: My favorite thing is when people say I never want to get divorced. When I get married, it's going to be forever. Everybody thinks that nobody wants to get divorced.
00:25:48
Speaker 2: Nobody does, does nobody does? Here we are but no, this is this. I will keep an eye on this one.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I am very curious about it because it does bro There are people that are celebrating and should and we should celebrate with them that they got out of bad marriages. When you just put a hashtag there and not explain the pain you went through and why.
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Speaker 2: It can just seem like a flipping thing. Who part of time divorce?
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Speaker 4: No, No, it's not that. But hey, if you feel better and you look better.
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Speaker 3: That's a bonus And with that everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 4: I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Sunday, July fifth, and divorce is a good thing and women have the pictures to prove it.
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Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious episode of Amy and DJ because Robes has just hit me with something here recently about a divorce glow up, something I'd never heard of before. But in what you've told me so far, Robes, I expect this to be a pretty heated episode.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is controversial. Does divorce make you prettier?
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Speaker 2: Divorce make you prettier?
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's the question.
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Speaker 3: Look if this has become a pretty big they say viral trend on TikTok on social media. I actually dived in a bit to look at several women all trending, not several, like lots and thousands of women going onto TikTok basically showing a before and after before divorce, after divorce and different women. I'll just described some of the videos, but some show women like crying and despondent, looking sad. Their skin's dull, their hair is messed up, they're they're in the middle of a toxic relationship. And then so a lot of them will say things like me as a wife, and then you you'll go through and you'll swipe through some of these pictures where yeah, she's either has gained some weight, looks frumpy, looks sad, there's her eyes look dead. And then you keep swiping and then it'll say me as an ex wife, and all of a sudden, she's hot, she's.
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Speaker 4: Sexy, she's like, she's fitter, she's.
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Speaker 3: Happier, she's it's just like a completely different energy and in some cases it actually looks like a completely different woman.
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Speaker 2: The hashtag glow up.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely divorce gloub me as a wife, me as an ex wife, his wife, his ex wife dropped, a husband found the glow. Divorce didn't break me, it rebuilt me. So these are all the different basic they have these little byelines on the bottom of it, and then some of them go into detail. I was cute before, but every time I smiled in pictures there was literal pain and stress hidden behind my eyes. Amazing how much hotter I got leaving my marriage. If you're considering divorce, do it. One of the best decisions I've ever made. So look, a lot of people are saying, WHOA, we should not be promoting divorce.
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Speaker 4: This is not what we want.
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Speaker 3: But a lot of other people are saying it's giving permission to women for doing something that is taboo, something that is frowned upon from a societal standpoint, and it lets women know that it's okay to get divorced and actually you could be better than you are now if you leave a toxic relationship.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh okay, Okay, what's next? Before I completely dive into this any other headlines, the highlights, I need to know what's the debate about it.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's the part of it as well.
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Speaker 3: So well, and this is interesting too because look, we can get into what experts have weighed in on a lot of this, and they have said that look in a lot of these pictures, and I went to go look and see, it's not about these women aren't getting cosmetic surgery. And I think that's what I thought initially when I saw a divorce glow up. I'm like, Okay, they're getting hair extensions, they're getting lip injections, they're getting botox, they are whatever.
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Speaker 4: That's not actually what this is.
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Speaker 3: They say that the changes that these women are posting are actually physiological, because when you reduce stress, your nervous system recovers, and it was actually described that your face can actually soften literally, not just figuratively, not just you're smiling and you were frowning, you were crying, now you're leaping for joy. There was one woman I showed it to you who I believe was she crying in one photo and then the next one she's drinking in aperol sprits like it's just an energy shift.
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Speaker 4: And so they say, when.
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Speaker 3: Cortisol levels are elevated, meaning you're in a high stress situation, your face and your body hold it. You might have weight gain, you might be bloated, you might have dull skin, you might have thinning.
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Speaker 4: Hair because you're stressed.
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Speaker 3: Stress usually does not help physically when the way you look it usually takes away. It's detrimental. You're not sleeping, all of those things. So they say there's an explanation. When you relieve stress or when you get out of a toxic relationship, your whole chemistry, your body chemistry changes.
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Speaker 2: I believe that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, since.
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Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense. I'm still I'm learning about this.
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Speaker 1: I have thoughts, so I'm trying to make sure I have all the information before I have a thought on this now or ease? I'm making sure no, because I'm looking at your notes. Any other detail that I need to know.
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Speaker 4: Yes, here, I'll give a couple other expert explanations, and then I wonder.
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Speaker 3: A divorce glow up is what happens when a woman stops pouring her nervous system into managing someone else's emotional state aka marriage. I guess the glow is really energy reclamation, the visible expression.
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Speaker 4: Of an auto a nervous system that finally got to rest. I don't even know what that word was. Something is happening.
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Speaker 3: Women do often look, feel, and function better in the month after leaving a depleting marriage. But again, it's not about the divorce. It's about the nervous system.
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Speaker 2: Wait do it the nervous Wait what.
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Speaker 3: Your nervous system relaxes, so you look good, feel good, and you function better. And it's not necessarily about divorce. They don't want to say, like it's the divorce that did it. It's basically about your nervous system resting about suddenly now you're not stressed all the time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, expert, what do they not like about this?
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Speaker 1: Are there any experts out there who push back against this idea or even the that we're promoting it in such a way.
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Speaker 2: Is there any pushback?
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Speaker 4: Well, no, and in fact I think they yes, they will.
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Speaker 3: They're actually saying that it's in a positive way, changing this stigma around divorce, and it's giving women permission because look, deep down, a lot of women stay in marriages and this is true.
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Speaker 4: And I don't want to just say women.
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Speaker 3: We can get into this because we had this, We had a little bit of a conversation about this beforehand that I don't know why we're solely focused on women, possibly because they're the ones posting this on TikTok. You're not seeing men necessarily doing divorce glow up. In fact, they probably get pushed back for it. But we can get into that. But I do think that this is something that they want women to feel like they can like it's okay, because you and I both know we've experienced it. When you get divorced, people tend to view you differently. You do have a label on you you and it's not a positive one, folks. It's considered a personal failure, I think by many people, and so we avoid it at all costs. But there could be a huge price to be paid. You might be paying a bigger price than you realize in terms of your health, how you look, how you feel by staying in something, because you don't want people to think negatively about you.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the positive.
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Speaker 3: Thing that a lot of times people aren't staying because they want to try and work on their marriage, or because they think they can make it better, or because they think that maybe it'll turn around. I think a lot of people do stay because they don't want the stigma. They don't want being they don't want to be judged. They don't want people to look at them differently, whether it's at their church or at their school or at their office.
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Speaker 4: They don't want to be viewed through that lens. It's typically negative.
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Speaker 1: Okay, typically negative, Okay. I get all that. The problem I'm having is the focus on divorce and not the focus on toxic relationships. I don't like the idea that we are promoting and we're putting this label on a divorce glow up.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 1: It's it's social media, and it's it's catchy, it's clever, and this. I don't like celebrating divorce. I'm not a fan, been through divorce and.
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Speaker 2: Been through divorce twice, and Robes.
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Speaker 1: The reason that so much of trouble did come to your point is because I was ashamed and I didn't want anybody to know I was getting divorced a second time, and so I didn't tell I didn't even tell my parents. I wanted to be done before I even told my parents, and so obviously I didn't tell the public.
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Speaker 3: Why you didn't tell them because you didn't want the judgment, You didn't want the feedback, so you didn't want to admit it.
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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. I mean two, that's twice. Who wants to be divorced twice? Nobody does, Robes. That's it's still it's it's I can talk about it, and we talk about it openly. Nine we do podcasts about it. We got I do part two where we talk about second and third chances. But still Robes. It feels like, and it will forever feel like I failed at something.
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Speaker 2: Even if I failed.
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Speaker 1: Even if you don't think you failed in the marriage, you feel like you failed in choosing a partner for that marriage. You failed somewhere along the way to end up with two d's on your transcript.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I.
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Speaker 3: Also will admit fully that it feels embarrassing is a good word. But I think shameful for me is that I actually pledged in front of my family and friends twice to love someone no matter what, to stay with someone no matter what. And when I chose differently after making that public vow and that legal vow, I ended things.
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Speaker 4: That is shameful. It feels shameful, and maybe it should feel shameful. And that's kind of the point that you have to that's the whole point of marriage.
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Speaker 3: But should it be a life sentence of misery if it doesn't work out?
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Speaker 1: But right, Robes, we both know how come relationships and marriages are. This is it's promoting this idea of.
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Speaker 2: The solution is dumping.
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Speaker 1: And again, people can be in toxic relationships, even abusive, we don't know. But this idea, it's just promoting this idea that your problem in life, your improvement in life has to do with this guy you're married to. Just dump that thing, just get rid of that thing, and all of a Suddain life turns around and Robes, there's something about promoting just this idea of that it's not about marriage. Or partnership or anything else of relationship. It's just a matter of dumping some weight and let's go party. It's kind of This is from a guy who's been divorced twice. I don't like how this feels a little flippant with marriage. And we have known people robes who have had divorce parties. We've known people who have celebrated and things. This I just and fine. I know, I know we all know. Robes the best health, the best father I have ever been in the most loving relationship I've ever been. It happened after I got divorced, like I needed, and I get that. But for me, can you imagine me as a man going I am wonderful now because I got rid of a woman.
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Speaker 4: I think it would work for it never, it would never ever work.
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Speaker 1: So these women have their individual stories, but as a collective and what's being promoted promoted I got some problems with.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think interestingly enough about trying to change the stigma. I do appreciate that. I do because look, divorce is hard, and I don't I think sometimes and I know we all know that intellectually, but to live through it and to have gone through.
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Speaker 4: It twice both of us have done that. It is debilitating in moments.
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Speaker 3: I know that they say a month after leaving someone, you feel free, and I understand you do. You feel like you have a fresh start, you have a new chance, you have a new start, But there is still a deep part of I would imagine just about anybody who's married someone and lived with someone and built a life with someone. When that goes away for whatever reason, it there is a mourning period and a morning process and an opportunity to work on yourself. But yes, to just I think there's a concern to see it just looks like it's all beautiful and fun and wonderful. So there there's a little bit of a concern, yes, that you're that you're glamorizing almost divorce.
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Speaker 1: See, and that is not about the stigma, right, there is a stigma to divorce. You want to come out and we can speak on it by talking about it openly. This is what I did wrong, This is what what went wrong, This is what I could have done differently, this is the mistake. Right, there's a way to talk. We can have a conversation about it. If all we're doing is just look at me, I'm better now that I'm not married. I don't like that. I don't and I get it. They have individual stories are they're not being talked about individually. This is a collective movement type of thing that people hear about, and all it sounds like is, Wow, I was married, now I'm not. There's a before and after without the context of what happens in the middle of the before and the after. I'm not crazy about that part. All I see is frumpy, overweight, no makeup, terrible hair, supermodel, Yeah, there is.
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Speaker 2: It's done.
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Speaker 1: So that was tell everybody, well, shit, I just should get divorced. Then I should just get rid of this guy.
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Speaker 2: If dudes were.
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Speaker 4: Doing this, come on, oh, that would not.
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Speaker 1: Be Look at my glow up now, look at me now, you dog fit six pack.
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Speaker 2: Now that I'm out of that, look at my skin now.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Clearer skin.
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Speaker 3: People were showing they're like acne. Then once divorced, their skins clear. Basically, all your problems go away. Apparently, once you get divorced, that's the danger in this message.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that is the danger in this mess.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the only minute? This isn't seriously Is it about self improvement? Is it about yes, excuse me, outside of the physical, because that seems to be all they're putting out. And when you're talking social media, it is pictures, is videos.
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Speaker 4: The pictures.
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Speaker 3: But they're saying it's because of internally what has shifted that has allowed the physical to rebound and glow up so to speak.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm not stressed anymore. So I just lost six sizes in my.
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Speaker 4: Genes, Cortisol levels are down. You're not holding on to all of that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, those cells that are just storing fat, they're all released, and suddenly you get thin and fit and gorgeous. Your hair gets folder, your skin gets clearer, wries sparkle more.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah anybody? Okay, No, I think that robes. That is about improvement, self improvement. How do you do that? How do it's all apart? And you can do that while still being married? Can you do that while trying to improve that marriage? I don't know, because everybody has their own situation. But this is not promoting that. Yes, it's not promoting It's.
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Speaker 3: About getting rid of the emotional drag, so to speak. But look, all relationships and your next relationship, you're gonna have problems.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be emotional. It's not going to be easy. It's just the truth.
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Speaker 1: Just glow up, get rid of every time, every time it's not going well.
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Speaker 4: All right, this is interesting.
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Speaker 3: When we come back, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about Jennifer Lopez.
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Speaker 1: You love someone who knows divorce stop now.
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Speaker 3: Just had a recent interview this week about this very thing. We'll tell you what she had to say and you'll get TJ's reaction when we come back.
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Speaker 2: Don't you say nothing bad? But I'm a baby Jelo.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. As we talk about divorced glow ups, it's.
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Speaker 4: A pretty big trend.
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Speaker 3: All you have to do is go on to TikTok, put that hashtag in and you'll see exactly what we're talking.
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Speaker 2: You're seeing a single male.
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Speaker 4: No, I only have seen women. I haven't seen one man.
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Speaker 3: No, And I've seen you know, heterosexual relationships, lesbian relationships. It doesn't seem to matter what kind of a relationship you're in. And even people have break up glow up.
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Speaker 4: So it's not just divorce glow up.
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Speaker 3: They said heartbreak glow up, break up glow up. So you don't even have to be in a marriage. The point being is once you get rid of that toxic relationship, all of a sudden, you look fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Do they use that term in this is it toxic relationship?
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Speaker 4: I mean they have said toxic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because look, if you're getting to the point where you're getting divorced or you're breaking up, typically it is fairly toxic.
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Speaker 4: I mean that's just the reality.
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Speaker 1: That's just take I In my head, toxic sounds other level, like people can be not compatible, fighting, having issues and whatnot, but.
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Speaker 4: It's emotionally draining all of it.
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Speaker 3: And maybe that's where the toxicity is, that you're just depleted because it's taking everything out of you. Yes, So j Lo interestingly just had a conversation about breakups and about embracing breakups. She was on a talk show Subway Takes.
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Speaker 2: How many times divorce is four?
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Speaker 3: She's had four divorces, I believe, Yes, And she's been engaged six times, I believe.
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Speaker 4: So who knows about breakups?
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Speaker 3: Yes, she's broken up and in one case twice with the same man.
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Speaker 4: Ben Affleck.
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Speaker 3: Only married him once, right, she only married him once, but she was engaged to him twice.
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Speaker 4: So there were two breakups with him?
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Speaker 3: Wow? Right, So yeah, she's had six broken off engagements, some of them were married.
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Speaker 1: Maybe this is why she looks so good. She always glows up after she's got constant breakups. Jalo glow.
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Speaker 3: But she said, she said this, we should have a party when we break up. People should say you broke up, congratulations, because one you made a decision, and two it was probably the best thing for everybody.
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Speaker 4: She said.
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Speaker 3: And this is very much different from what we were just saying. Breakups are not a failure. I honestly feel like it's a launch pad into your next best self.
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Speaker 1: She's learned a lot of lessons about herself in life. I soon through all those relationships, those breakups, I guess she had. I you know, I am not going to publicly go against Jalen.
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Speaker 4: Right. Well, and look, I do appreciate what she said in here.
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Speaker 3: She said, I feel like the biggest growth spurts I've had emotionally, mentally, physiologically, which is what these glow ups are all.
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Speaker 4: About, have always come from heartbreak. She said.
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Speaker 3: You're like, what the f happened? How did I do this? Why do I keep doing this? Or why didn't that happen or what could I have done better? You change yourself And I do agree with that because I have done so much self reflection about where I went wrong, why I chose who I chose, and why I acted the way I did in that marriage.
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Speaker 4: And I can't just blame the other person.
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Speaker 3: You have to ask yourself, why have I made these choices and why did I behave a certain way that led to part of the broken dynamic?
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Speaker 1: Well, can I ask what point do you learn that lesson? Or do you never really learn it right? She said, you're evolving. What mistakes did I make? Don't make them again? She's six engagements in Why do I.
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Speaker 4: Keep doing this is one of her questions.
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Speaker 1: I'm not knocking obviously what she said. Why do I keep doing it? When do you stop doing it? So I asked you this the recently robes and we didn't get into it was but it's a serious question. Right, I learned what I did and I got it wrong. I learned I got it wrong. I got it wrong. If you are constantly learning and evolving, how do you know you got it right? How do you know you're not in the same pattern? How do you know you haven't picked now a partner in me That is not the right part. I said that to you big, I'm taking this and I'm not actually feeling that way, but I'm saying in that theory of j LO, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning. When do you get it to where you don't have a seventh engagement and a fifth marriage?
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Speaker 2: And that's for her that's probably.
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Speaker 4: Very scary because do you trust yourself?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is.
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Speaker 1: Do you trust that you have learned that lesson? And you know I'm not doing that again?
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Speaker 3: You know. And it's one of these things because we hear people say you know it in your gut, you feel it. But look, even in wonderful relationships, even you and me with like we have to me one of the most solid friendships, and even still when we're not right, when we're fighting, we all I always question it. You're like asking yourself, am I repeating patterns? Am I doing the same thing again? And your gut is all doing flip flops and summer ressaults and you think, oh no, And so yes, there is this feeling of can I trust myself? Am I doing the right thing? I think that's always going to be a part of it, so I don't. I hate the idea that somehow you get the right person and it's all just perfect, and it all just feels good and feels right, and your gut's always telling you you're in the right place with the right person. Nah, even in the right relationships with the right person, you can still have those moments. And I just think I would hate for anyone to be too quick to cut and run because oh see, I'm feeling toxic toxicity in my system again, and now I don't feel right.
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Speaker 4: So this must not be right for me. I need to leave and get a glow up.
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Speaker 1: Your experience can give you doubts or can give you confidence. Right, I've expered well, all right, I've been through this. Ooh, this isn't quite right. I better dip out now.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's just and I get where Jaylo was coming from and what her Lord have mercy. We've gone along for much of that journey, but she continues to be on it. You know how I feel about j Lo, And I love that she hasn't stopped robes, she hasn't stopped pursuing, she hasn't stopped going after love. I don't know her, what her bad. I don't have no idea what's going on with her. But from Afar Robes, I applaud anybody who keeps trying.
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Speaker 3: I do too, because, by the way, you don't have to get married. And I always have thought about this, Like for folks who put a stigma on divorces, Look there was a I actually think it's a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 4: You believed in love, you believed in.
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Speaker 3: Commitment, and look, you could have chosen never to get married and keep going from boyfriend to girlfriend of whatever, and people wouldn't judge.
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Speaker 4: You the same way. They might be like, wow, that's weird he or.
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Speaker 3: She never got married, but you're not judged the same way you are when you're divorced.
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Speaker 1: Who's judged most hardly, harshly a forty five year old guy, no kids, never been married, dates around or a forty five year old guy twice.
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Speaker 4: Divorced Absolutely the latter of the two.
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Speaker 3: Really, yes, because you betrayed your family, you betrayed your wife, you left.
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Speaker 4: They always probably assume you're the dog, right, you're the problem, yep, yep.
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Speaker 3: And I think anyone who's been divorced more than once that's some serious judgment, you know.
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Speaker 4: And I probably before when I.
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Speaker 3: Was married the first time at twenty three, young and naive, if I heard somebody was twice divorce, I'd probably internally roll my eyes, like, oh, like you do, you make a judgment.
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Speaker 4: But now, obviously living that and being that, I.
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Speaker 3: See it so differently, and you give people so much more compassion and understand that life is complicated and it's not easy, and it's not.
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Speaker 4: A one size fits all.
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Speaker 3: But I do think the whole point is if you can learn, if you can do some internal growth, it's a good thing. And look, divorce is something that is so it is tragic, it is a tragedy. I understand why no one wants to call it a failure because I do think when you get uncomfortable and things break down, that is when you learn the most about yourself. I do agree with that, and I do believe that, and I think we need to give people some grace and understanding that you might not know the road they're walking down, you don't know the house they're living in. And I think that's what I've learned more than anything. And look, anytime someone can feel empowered that it's not all going to go wrong. I don't think you should ever make a decision based on what other people are going to think. And so if this TikTok trend gives some people permission or at least some inspiration to know that it's not the end of the world to have a d.
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Speaker 4: After your name.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: In ropes, there are plenty of Yes we're talking about women, but people who are in relationships that they need to get.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: Out of today.
00:24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're probably going to stick in for the next year, two years, three years, for whatever reason.
00:24:28
Speaker 2: It might be.
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Speaker 1: You and I were in similar positions but for different types of reasons. But people have really extreme reasons, right they need.
00:24:36
Speaker 2: To get away in some relationships.
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Speaker 1: I just I get where this is coming from, and I think this will help and it can empower. I just you got to take these things. You got to look past the surface. And right now, the surface is pictures. The surface is fun.
00:24:53
Speaker 2: And look at me. Now, it looks amazing.
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Speaker 3: Divorce looks amazing on this TikTok trend. Okay, with that looks like the best that could ever happen to someone.
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Speaker 1: And it can be and it can put you in a better place. The conversation about how you get to that better place is. It's something I love getting rid of a stigma I have shied away from being a part of.
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Speaker 2: I mean, whether we like it or not, we are.
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Speaker 1: A part of pretty high profile divorce in this country and our story was so I haven't talked about divorce in such a way ropes comfortably and openly because it is. It's shameful and it's embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: Divorce twice wants to do that.
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Speaker 4: Nobody that.
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Speaker 3: My favorite thing is when people say I never want to get divorced. When I get married, it's going to be forever. Everybody thinks that nobody wants to get divorced.
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Speaker 2: Nobody does, does nobody does? Here we are but no, this is this. I will keep an eye on this one.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I am very curious about it because it does bro There are people that are celebrating and should and we should celebrate with them that they got out of bad marriages. When you just put a hashtag there and not explain the pain you went through and why.
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Speaker 2: It can just seem like a flipping thing. Who part of time divorce?
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Speaker 4: No, No, it's not that. But hey, if you feel better and you look better.
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Speaker 3: That's a bonus And with that everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 4: I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.