Jan. 28, 2026
Doctor Threatened, Strangled, Abused Ex-Wife Years Before Killing Her & Husband: New Court Docs
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RSS Feed MIchael McKee allegedly threatened to kill his ex-wife "numerous times" during and after their marriage. That was just one of the shocking revelations in a new court filing. McKee -- a vascular surgeon -- is charged in the shooting deaths of Spencer and Monique Tepe at their Columbus, Ohio home December 30th. Their two young children were at home at the time of the murders. The new documents detail how Monique Tepe feared her ex-husband for years and how he wanted her to “ always be his wife.”
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth, and we are getting disturbing, damning details in a new course filing that is shedding light on the double murder of an Ohio couple found in the home with their one and four year old kids. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This was and I said its Ohio couple because so much of it. The headline says Ohio dentist and his wife. This is a couple that was targeted, according to the police, quite frankly because of the ex husband of the woman and not none of this made sense. But some of this stuff here, sweetheart, sounds like this is a guy who stalked, harassed and assaulted her four years.
00:00:51
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean when we're now starting to get real details coming from those who knew and loved the Tepees the most, their friends, their family, and they are recounting what happened specifically in the weeks leading up to their murders, but even in the years before this, the threats, the discussions that Monique had with her friends and family about what she lived through and with her ex husband, and this is some scary stuff. The phrase came to my mind. When people tell you who they are, believe them. That is exhibit A in this case.
00:01:29
Speaker 1: And this is a new court document we're talking about. But take you back to the murders. We're all talking about Spencer and Monique Tepi, thirty seven and thirty nine year old, respectively. But they were found dead December thirtieth at their Columbus, Ohio home. Their one in four year old children were left inside the home, unharmed and ropes. This went on for several days because it was a there was a killer on the loose, and they had no suspect, didn't announce one at least killer on the loose. This went a week and a half, Yes.
00:01:56
Speaker 2: And they immediately police immediately ruled out murder suicide because that was what people thought. Look, your two children are unharmed, there's no sign of a burglary necessarily, and you have two people shot in their bedroom, so yes, the obvious thing would be murder suicide. However, there was no gun, there was no murder weapon, so someone had to come in and shoot these two and take that murder weapon with them. But we had no clue what was going on. Where the investigation was headed for days and days.
00:02:29
Speaker 1: But it didn't make sense in a lot of ways, even to you think about exes and past relationships. But this was a guy she'd been married to. How many years this had been over with?
00:02:39
Speaker 2: It was nearly a decade since their divorce was finalized in twenty seventeen. But when you start to look at what their marriage actually was, she left within seven months of being married to him, So the marriage was over in seven months. Yes, we know how divorces go. It takes a little bit of time. You gotta do some court appearances, etc. So yes, it was just under two years of fish their marriage. But ten years later, nearly ten years later, he's still that angry that he goes and hunts her down and murders her and her new husband, not even her new husband, her husband of nearly five years.
00:03:13
Speaker 1: So this didn't make a lot of sense. But he was officially arrested January tenth in Rockford, Illinois, which is on the top of my head, I think it's.
00:03:21
Speaker 3: A seven hour it's a seven hour drive.
00:03:23
Speaker 1: I got seven hours away, but arrested there. He works at a hospital as a vascular surgeon, so we see his arrest we start piecing together with this doesn't make sense. But they were only married a short time, and they lived this far apart, and they didn't have kids together. None of this made sense. Well, we have now new information. This affidavit for probable cause is what it's called, but essentially the police putting together their case for why this guy should be arrested and why they wanted a warrant. Some of these details are absolutely explosive, beginning with the fact they have video, according to police, of this man, their suspect, being at the Teppee home weeks before the murders.
00:04:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is scary stuff. Michael McKee.
00:04:05
Speaker 2: According to police, they have him on surveillance video at the Tepee home. Now, he was seen entering an alleyway and I guess he was on the grounds of their home. They don't say that he actually went into the home, but he was. It seems as though now he was surveilling this and he spent hours apparently on their property, around their property while the Teppies weren't there.
00:04:30
Speaker 1: They said hours. And I don't think I didn't see anywhere and certainly not in the Affidavid that they have evidence of him entering the home or staying in the home or anything. But they see him on the grounds, he goes somewhere I guess at least out of the video site, and then hours later, what was he doing.
00:04:47
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to think, given what he's accused of now, what he's charged with, it he was planning. Maybe he thought maybe he didn't know they were gone. Maybe he thought this was his opportunity and he was laying in waiter hiding.
00:04:59
Speaker 3: For them to come home.
00:05:00
Speaker 2: And they were at a big ten championship game and they had a hotel room, so they weren't even coming back that evening. Maybe he was waiting them out, Maybe he was trying to surveil their comings and goings and planning his murder.
00:05:12
Speaker 1: Or did he know they would be gone but it didn't look at her social media, But people get excited about that rips I'm going in and did he take this opportunity to do that survey lance we speak of, or was that supposed to be murder day and they just happened to be gone? But that game was significant. It was in Indianapolis, I believe. Yes, it's a big ten championship game. This is a big deal, Big ten championship. She leaves early, leaves in the third quarter. The rest of her friends a husband, stays behind and they're having a good time at the game. She goes back to the hotel.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Obviously, you pay a lot of money for these tickets.
00:05:44
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. It's very exciting.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: They went with several other couples, so, yeah, this was supposed to be some fun friend couple outing. And we are huge college football fans. We know what a big deal a game like this is. You don't leave early unless maybe you're upset about how your team is doing. But according to the friends who were with them, her husband, Spencer, told the friends that Monique left early upset because of something involving her ex husband. This is so interesting because we now know he was at their home. He was on their property that day. Was he texting her? Was he saying something to her? Was he Who knows how she coincidentally on the same day he surveiled at their home, on their property, She's so upset by something involving him that she leaves this game early and goes.
00:06:34
Speaker 3: Back to the hotel.
00:06:34
Speaker 1: I had to be related, I mean, obviously had to be related, but you just wonder what it was. Was he messaging her, did he send her a picture from their grounds?
00:06:42
Speaker 3: What? And then why, Yeah, wouldn't she call police? Wouldn't she?
00:06:46
Speaker 2: Obviously she was upset, but didn't feel threatened enough to involve law enforcement.
00:06:50
Speaker 3: As far as we know, the husband.
00:06:51
Speaker 1: Didn't go back with her. I so it almost didn't seem like it rose to the level. But the fact that she left means it rose to the level. Well, it's very peculiar at least about that, but that is a very very big detail to get. Also, another detail we found out again this is piecing together. First of all, December sixth they confirmed this was a day he wasn't scheduled to be at work, but also on the day of the murder, December thirtieth, his phone was left at work. Conveniently, that phone was left at work and not a single bit of activity on that phone for seventeen hours between December twenty ninth and thirtieth.
00:07:31
Speaker 2: And they say that's exactly how long they actually pieced it together. If it's a seven hour drive there and a seven hour drive back, that's fourteen hours, So that gave him three hours to get into this home and as Billy say, shoot to death both Monique and Spencer Teppe get back in his car. Can you imagine those seven hours driving knowing what he had planned to do, and then those seven hours driving back.
00:07:58
Speaker 3: It's mind bogger row.
00:08:00
Speaker 1: That's seven hours you had to change your mind. That's incredible again.
00:08:04
Speaker 3: And yeah, nine years to get over something. I mean, that's wild.
00:08:10
Speaker 1: Well, it's wild to us, and we're trying to piece this together, but folks, police are starting to put together a case and maybe some motive and maybe some history between these two. Stay here, we'll explain what else is in this Affid David that shows and points to a really disturbing and violent history between Monique Tepi and her ex husband.
00:08:33
Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back, everyone, as we discuss these new chilling details that have just been released through a court document, the Affid David. There, we're starting to get to see what detectives have been piecing together surrounding the murders of Spencer and Monique Teppi. Police say Monique's ex husband is the man who murdered that couple, leaving their one and four year old children unharmed in their home, but certainly what a disturbing and difficult story to discuss because this was a long time in the making. Monique left a marriage that, according to her friends, was abusive emotionally and physically. Monique apparently was telling her friends throughout the years about his threats, about what he said to her, what he threatened to do to her, and to see that nine years plus since their divorce was finalized, it appears he made good on those threats, and that is frightening. But we are getting some of the details of what Monique told her friends and family about her ex husband.
00:09:55
Speaker 1: And again police are saying this is coming to them from friends. They talk to a number of her friends who have now at least painted a picture of horror that she endured and frankly robes a lot of what we are hearing or stuff we often hear about abusive relationships and abusive marriages, and they always say, right when the woman makes a decision to leave is the most dangerous part of that relationship because he knows she's about to leave, and this really makes things explosive. So she got out of there. She got out of there in seven months. But this is what according to police. We talked to her friends, this is what she endured. Abusive, made numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. Again, he's innocent toil proven guilty. A lot more needs to come out, but that now begins to read, now begins to make some sense of a story that made no sense.
00:10:57
Speaker 2: Yes, and friends also told police that they were together while Monique was with Michael McKee, that he forced unwanted sex on her, that he strangled her, he choked her. So she claims that his emotional abuse absolutely turned physical during their relationship, which would make sense that she made a very i say smart decision to get out of that marriage, or at least she was in her mind at that point. Yes, she created distance. They moved to Virginia for a residency program he was in, and she moved back to Ohio seven months after they were married. And you would think getting out, being free of him, getting the divorce finalized, moving on with each of their lives. He's a vascular surgeon, you know, he's got a presumably a life and a future and is intelligent and can move on. That's what one would think. And maybe she thought that that could be the case too, And unfortunately that is not how it ended, so.
00:11:56
Speaker 1: She had to feel safe. I say that, but I wonder what has she been dealing with? How many more they said here that the friends say numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. Did it continue for the months following, a couple of years following, or did it still continue up till her death? Don't know, but obviously she was aware there were something Quite frank.
00:12:19
Speaker 3: They don't have kids.
00:12:19
Speaker 1: They got divorced. What'd you say, how long ago?
00:12:22
Speaker 3: Almost a decade ago, twenty seventeens.
00:12:24
Speaker 1: Almost no reason for them to have anything?
00:12:26
Speaker 2: No, and yes, exactly. I mean they didn't share a pet, they didn't have kids together. All of the things that typically can even after years after a divorce, can still cause friction and problems. If you're fighting over money, you're fighting over kids, you're fighting over child's of work. Okay, all of those things can create emotional responses. But this makes very little sense. However, this one line, and this one is just so frightening. What friends told police that, according to them, McKean told Monique he could kill her at any time, he would find her, he would buy the house right next to her, and that she would always be his wife. That's something out of a horror movie. That is such a scary thing to read, and to know what the outcome was, to know that he sat there and just stewed and waited and found the right time to make good on that scary threat.
00:13:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, we again, I've repeated it several times here in a sense, he'll proven guilty. This is the case they're putting together. But they certainly believe that they do not have a killer on the loose out there who killed these two people. They do believe they have their guy and their guy as they are piecing this together, at least if this is who believes this was as strange as it sounds, a long time in the making, according to what they put in. This aff for David and Row is another one of those cases. How many we watch a lot of true crime, We cover a lot of crime stories. But you're seeing, once again, she got out of a relationship, she should have been far past that relationship, and she still ends up dead at the hands according to the police, of someone she was in a relationship with ten years ago. That's a tough to understand. I'm waiting to see and hear these details. But this is doesn't make any sense. They don't have Have you seen anything about their back and forth over the past year, two three? What were they in contact them?
00:14:33
Speaker 2: No? And you would imagine if he was making threats to her, if he was still finding a way to threaten her long after their divorce was finalized, that that would be documentable, that that would be they would be able to find them on text messages, emails. I mean, that's usually how you end up threatening someone, even maybe even looking.
00:14:49
Speaker 3: At phone calls, logged phone calls.
00:14:52
Speaker 2: But you'd think she put enough distance between them, several states in between them, or at least hundreds of miles in between them, you'd think, Okay, he's not like he lives in the same town, or that he does have the house next door. You would feel safe, just logistically speaking. And also, this is a man, despite his threats and despite his temper and maybe his long held anger towards her, this is a man who has taken a pledge to save lives. He's a vascular surgeon. That is a very specific talent, and the requirements to become a doctor, to become a surgeon are significant, and your job is to save lives. So to have that person stand accused of. What he's accused of is is it's mind boggling on so many levels.
00:15:38
Speaker 1: And they certainly believe they have their guy. They again, he was tracked down because of a vehicle he was in that they noticed that they come into the neighborhood or right around the time with the mergers a little before, and then left right after they tracked him to that, not just so showing the vehicle they say they have him getting in and out of it. They actually see him, so they are pretty sure they have their guy. That van, by the way, of a vehicle he was in had several plates, had Arizona plates, had stolen Ohio plates at one at one point, so suggesting he did at least try to evade capture or at least try to throw off authorities. But roads a horrific, horrific story. And I don't know detail was going to make it sound better, but man, some of this makes it sound worse.
00:16:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, just trying to get just to know that he was threatening her for so long and that she either didn't reach out for the help she could have used, or didn't take him seriously. This is just an unbelievably tragic story. Now he has pleaded or he is going to plead not guilty. According to his attorneys. He is behind bars, being held without bond. But of course people continue to follow this story, as so many of you have been I know for the past several weeks.
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Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to us.
00:16:48
Speaker 2: As always, I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Wednesday, January twenty eighth, and we are getting disturbing, damning details in a new course filing that is shedding light on the double murder of an Ohio couple found in the home with their one and four year old kids. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This was and I said its Ohio couple because so much of it. The headline says Ohio dentist and his wife. This is a couple that was targeted, according to the police, quite frankly because of the ex husband of the woman and not none of this made sense. But some of this stuff here, sweetheart, sounds like this is a guy who stalked, harassed and assaulted her four years.
00:00:51
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean when we're now starting to get real details coming from those who knew and loved the Tepees the most, their friends, their family, and they are recounting what happened specifically in the weeks leading up to their murders, but even in the years before this, the threats, the discussions that Monique had with her friends and family about what she lived through and with her ex husband, and this is some scary stuff. The phrase came to my mind. When people tell you who they are, believe them. That is exhibit A in this case.
00:01:29
Speaker 1: And this is a new court document we're talking about. But take you back to the murders. We're all talking about Spencer and Monique Tepi, thirty seven and thirty nine year old, respectively. But they were found dead December thirtieth at their Columbus, Ohio home. Their one in four year old children were left inside the home, unharmed and ropes. This went on for several days because it was a there was a killer on the loose, and they had no suspect, didn't announce one at least killer on the loose. This went a week and a half, Yes.
00:01:56
Speaker 2: And they immediately police immediately ruled out murder suicide because that was what people thought. Look, your two children are unharmed, there's no sign of a burglary necessarily, and you have two people shot in their bedroom, so yes, the obvious thing would be murder suicide. However, there was no gun, there was no murder weapon, so someone had to come in and shoot these two and take that murder weapon with them. But we had no clue what was going on. Where the investigation was headed for days and days.
00:02:29
Speaker 1: But it didn't make sense in a lot of ways, even to you think about exes and past relationships. But this was a guy she'd been married to. How many years this had been over with?
00:02:39
Speaker 2: It was nearly a decade since their divorce was finalized in twenty seventeen. But when you start to look at what their marriage actually was, she left within seven months of being married to him, So the marriage was over in seven months. Yes, we know how divorces go. It takes a little bit of time. You gotta do some court appearances, etc. So yes, it was just under two years of fish their marriage. But ten years later, nearly ten years later, he's still that angry that he goes and hunts her down and murders her and her new husband, not even her new husband, her husband of nearly five years.
00:03:13
Speaker 1: So this didn't make a lot of sense. But he was officially arrested January tenth in Rockford, Illinois, which is on the top of my head, I think it's.
00:03:21
Speaker 3: A seven hour it's a seven hour drive.
00:03:23
Speaker 1: I got seven hours away, but arrested there. He works at a hospital as a vascular surgeon, so we see his arrest we start piecing together with this doesn't make sense. But they were only married a short time, and they lived this far apart, and they didn't have kids together. None of this made sense. Well, we have now new information. This affidavit for probable cause is what it's called, but essentially the police putting together their case for why this guy should be arrested and why they wanted a warrant. Some of these details are absolutely explosive, beginning with the fact they have video, according to police, of this man, their suspect, being at the Teppee home weeks before the murders.
00:04:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is scary stuff. Michael McKee.
00:04:05
Speaker 2: According to police, they have him on surveillance video at the Tepee home. Now, he was seen entering an alleyway and I guess he was on the grounds of their home. They don't say that he actually went into the home, but he was. It seems as though now he was surveilling this and he spent hours apparently on their property, around their property while the Teppies weren't there.
00:04:30
Speaker 1: They said hours. And I don't think I didn't see anywhere and certainly not in the Affidavid that they have evidence of him entering the home or staying in the home or anything. But they see him on the grounds, he goes somewhere I guess at least out of the video site, and then hours later, what was he doing.
00:04:47
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to think, given what he's accused of now, what he's charged with, it he was planning. Maybe he thought maybe he didn't know they were gone. Maybe he thought this was his opportunity and he was laying in waiter hiding.
00:04:59
Speaker 3: For them to come home.
00:05:00
Speaker 2: And they were at a big ten championship game and they had a hotel room, so they weren't even coming back that evening. Maybe he was waiting them out, Maybe he was trying to surveil their comings and goings and planning his murder.
00:05:12
Speaker 1: Or did he know they would be gone but it didn't look at her social media, But people get excited about that rips I'm going in and did he take this opportunity to do that survey lance we speak of, or was that supposed to be murder day and they just happened to be gone? But that game was significant. It was in Indianapolis, I believe. Yes, it's a big ten championship game. This is a big deal, Big ten championship. She leaves early, leaves in the third quarter. The rest of her friends a husband, stays behind and they're having a good time at the game. She goes back to the hotel.
00:05:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Obviously, you pay a lot of money for these tickets.
00:05:44
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. It's very exciting.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: They went with several other couples, so, yeah, this was supposed to be some fun friend couple outing. And we are huge college football fans. We know what a big deal a game like this is. You don't leave early unless maybe you're upset about how your team is doing. But according to the friends who were with them, her husband, Spencer, told the friends that Monique left early upset because of something involving her ex husband. This is so interesting because we now know he was at their home. He was on their property that day. Was he texting her? Was he saying something to her? Was he Who knows how she coincidentally on the same day he surveiled at their home, on their property, She's so upset by something involving him that she leaves this game early and goes.
00:06:34
Speaker 3: Back to the hotel.
00:06:34
Speaker 1: I had to be related, I mean, obviously had to be related, but you just wonder what it was. Was he messaging her, did he send her a picture from their grounds?
00:06:42
Speaker 3: What? And then why, Yeah, wouldn't she call police? Wouldn't she?
00:06:46
Speaker 2: Obviously she was upset, but didn't feel threatened enough to involve law enforcement.
00:06:50
Speaker 3: As far as we know, the husband.
00:06:51
Speaker 1: Didn't go back with her. I so it almost didn't seem like it rose to the level. But the fact that she left means it rose to the level. Well, it's very peculiar at least about that, but that is a very very big detail to get. Also, another detail we found out again this is piecing together. First of all, December sixth they confirmed this was a day he wasn't scheduled to be at work, but also on the day of the murder, December thirtieth, his phone was left at work. Conveniently, that phone was left at work and not a single bit of activity on that phone for seventeen hours between December twenty ninth and thirtieth.
00:07:31
Speaker 2: And they say that's exactly how long they actually pieced it together. If it's a seven hour drive there and a seven hour drive back, that's fourteen hours, So that gave him three hours to get into this home and as Billy say, shoot to death both Monique and Spencer Teppe get back in his car. Can you imagine those seven hours driving knowing what he had planned to do, and then those seven hours driving back.
00:07:58
Speaker 3: It's mind bogger row.
00:08:00
Speaker 1: That's seven hours you had to change your mind. That's incredible again.
00:08:04
Speaker 3: And yeah, nine years to get over something. I mean, that's wild.
00:08:10
Speaker 1: Well, it's wild to us, and we're trying to piece this together, but folks, police are starting to put together a case and maybe some motive and maybe some history between these two. Stay here, we'll explain what else is in this Affid David that shows and points to a really disturbing and violent history between Monique Tepi and her ex husband.
00:08:33
Speaker 2: Stay here, Welcome back, everyone, as we discuss these new chilling details that have just been released through a court document, the Affid David. There, we're starting to get to see what detectives have been piecing together surrounding the murders of Spencer and Monique Teppi. Police say Monique's ex husband is the man who murdered that couple, leaving their one and four year old children unharmed in their home, but certainly what a disturbing and difficult story to discuss because this was a long time in the making. Monique left a marriage that, according to her friends, was abusive emotionally and physically. Monique apparently was telling her friends throughout the years about his threats, about what he said to her, what he threatened to do to her, and to see that nine years plus since their divorce was finalized, it appears he made good on those threats, and that is frightening. But we are getting some of the details of what Monique told her friends and family about her ex husband.
00:09:55
Speaker 1: And again police are saying this is coming to them from friends. They talk to a number of her friends who have now at least painted a picture of horror that she endured and frankly robes a lot of what we are hearing or stuff we often hear about abusive relationships and abusive marriages, and they always say, right when the woman makes a decision to leave is the most dangerous part of that relationship because he knows she's about to leave, and this really makes things explosive. So she got out of there. She got out of there in seven months. But this is what according to police. We talked to her friends, this is what she endured. Abusive, made numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. Again, he's innocent toil proven guilty. A lot more needs to come out, but that now begins to read, now begins to make some sense of a story that made no sense.
00:10:57
Speaker 2: Yes, and friends also told police that they were together while Monique was with Michael McKee, that he forced unwanted sex on her, that he strangled her, he choked her. So she claims that his emotional abuse absolutely turned physical during their relationship, which would make sense that she made a very i say smart decision to get out of that marriage, or at least she was in her mind at that point. Yes, she created distance. They moved to Virginia for a residency program he was in, and she moved back to Ohio seven months after they were married. And you would think getting out, being free of him, getting the divorce finalized, moving on with each of their lives. He's a vascular surgeon, you know, he's got a presumably a life and a future and is intelligent and can move on. That's what one would think. And maybe she thought that that could be the case too, And unfortunately that is not how it ended, so.
00:11:56
Speaker 1: She had to feel safe. I say that, but I wonder what has she been dealing with? How many more they said here that the friends say numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. Did it continue for the months following, a couple of years following, or did it still continue up till her death? Don't know, but obviously she was aware there were something Quite frank.
00:12:19
Speaker 3: They don't have kids.
00:12:19
Speaker 1: They got divorced. What'd you say, how long ago?
00:12:22
Speaker 3: Almost a decade ago, twenty seventeens.
00:12:24
Speaker 1: Almost no reason for them to have anything?
00:12:26
Speaker 2: No, and yes, exactly. I mean they didn't share a pet, they didn't have kids together. All of the things that typically can even after years after a divorce, can still cause friction and problems. If you're fighting over money, you're fighting over kids, you're fighting over child's of work. Okay, all of those things can create emotional responses. But this makes very little sense. However, this one line, and this one is just so frightening. What friends told police that, according to them, McKean told Monique he could kill her at any time, he would find her, he would buy the house right next to her, and that she would always be his wife. That's something out of a horror movie. That is such a scary thing to read, and to know what the outcome was, to know that he sat there and just stewed and waited and found the right time to make good on that scary threat.
00:13:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, we again, I've repeated it several times here in a sense, he'll proven guilty. This is the case they're putting together. But they certainly believe that they do not have a killer on the loose out there who killed these two people. They do believe they have their guy and their guy as they are piecing this together, at least if this is who believes this was as strange as it sounds, a long time in the making, according to what they put in. This aff for David and Row is another one of those cases. How many we watch a lot of true crime, We cover a lot of crime stories. But you're seeing, once again, she got out of a relationship, she should have been far past that relationship, and she still ends up dead at the hands according to the police, of someone she was in a relationship with ten years ago. That's a tough to understand. I'm waiting to see and hear these details. But this is doesn't make any sense. They don't have Have you seen anything about their back and forth over the past year, two three? What were they in contact them?
00:14:33
Speaker 2: No? And you would imagine if he was making threats to her, if he was still finding a way to threaten her long after their divorce was finalized, that that would be documentable, that that would be they would be able to find them on text messages, emails. I mean, that's usually how you end up threatening someone, even maybe even looking.
00:14:49
Speaker 3: At phone calls, logged phone calls.
00:14:52
Speaker 2: But you'd think she put enough distance between them, several states in between them, or at least hundreds of miles in between them, you'd think, Okay, he's not like he lives in the same town, or that he does have the house next door. You would feel safe, just logistically speaking. And also, this is a man, despite his threats and despite his temper and maybe his long held anger towards her, this is a man who has taken a pledge to save lives. He's a vascular surgeon. That is a very specific talent, and the requirements to become a doctor, to become a surgeon are significant, and your job is to save lives. So to have that person stand accused of. What he's accused of is is it's mind boggling on so many levels.
00:15:38
Speaker 1: And they certainly believe they have their guy. They again, he was tracked down because of a vehicle he was in that they noticed that they come into the neighborhood or right around the time with the mergers a little before, and then left right after they tracked him to that, not just so showing the vehicle they say they have him getting in and out of it. They actually see him, so they are pretty sure they have their guy. That van, by the way, of a vehicle he was in had several plates, had Arizona plates, had stolen Ohio plates at one at one point, so suggesting he did at least try to evade capture or at least try to throw off authorities. But roads a horrific, horrific story. And I don't know detail was going to make it sound better, but man, some of this makes it sound worse.
00:16:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, just trying to get just to know that he was threatening her for so long and that she either didn't reach out for the help she could have used, or didn't take him seriously. This is just an unbelievably tragic story. Now he has pleaded or he is going to plead not guilty. According to his attorneys. He is behind bars, being held without bond. But of course people continue to follow this story, as so many of you have been I know for the past several weeks.
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Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to us.
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Speaker 2: As always, I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.