Aug. 11, 2026
Did The U.S. Gov't Put U.S. Lives at Risk to Protect Trump?
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RSS Feed As news of Trump sneaking off Air Force One continues to make headlines, people are questioning the decision to leave unsuspecting journalists and White House staff members on a plane that had a credible enough threat to remove the President from it. Air Force One essentially became a decoy aircraft to hide Trump’s actual ride, a nearby military jet. Reaction online has been swift and harsh, many calling the President a coward, shameful and weak for hiding in a catering truck while Americans were potentially put in harms way.
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August eleventh, and did the president in danger the lives of Americans by using a decoy plane in what they now say was a plot by Ran to try to take down the president? And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ with a story robes that people were first getting word of it first thing this morning. It was cool, it was jaw dropping. It was just kind of we were all in awe of what they pulled off in front of the world. People have had a little while to take this in and some different questions and necessary questions are now being asked.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, this was a very cool, mission impossible esque plan that they were able to pull off. But yeah, what about all those folks who were on Air Force one, who believed the president was on Air Force one, who were then left to basically be sitting ducks if there was some imminent threat.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: It's tough word, but yeah, it might be right right.
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Speaker 2: So, if there was some imminent threat that was considered high enough or risky enough that they needed to put the president on a different plane, shouldn't the folks who stayed behind be given the option to dplane, the option or you could say there was a mechanical error and at least let them be delayed and let them make other choices of getting home like they should have been warned.
00:01:37
Speaker 1: What reasoning could you be given as a journalist on that plane, or even just sitting Hero Robes to say, Okay, I get it, you all made the right call.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to say that, because I think my life is valuable and it's mind to choose how to risk.
00:01:56
Speaker 1: There is where the therein lies the rub now roes because we're trying to figure out here what the level of threat is. If you, as the United States government, No, there's a threat, we gonna have to call it imminent, but a credible one to a plane that I don't know a hundred citizens are on. You still let that plane fly? The praise is not a risk to the president at that point. Why still let it fly?
00:02:29
Speaker 2: Exactly because you need that threat to believe that the president is on that plane so that the president can leave on a different plane.
00:02:40
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense either. If you're telling me, Robes, we as the Secret Service, increase our level of success in our job, which is keeping him alive by decreasing the chance of you surviving.
00:02:57
Speaker 2: I mean that is what it feels like or appears to be.
00:02:59
Speaker 1: Like they balance this out, like if we put these folks at more risk, are guys at less risk?
00:03:05
Speaker 2: Yes, bro, And that's how it reads.
00:03:08
Speaker 1: I don't know what answers we are ever going to get or deserve, because this is the Secret Service. They don't mess around with this stuff. I don't know who could get in trouble ropes for leaking this, for getting this information out. This seems like something we never should have known.
00:03:21
Speaker 2: I agree. Because now, by the way, if that ever has been used before, and we're not dumb enough to think it hasn't, well, obviously it can never be used again. Because now if anyone sees a catering truck or anything any option to leave on another side of the aircraft, people will be looking in that direction.
00:03:41
Speaker 1: Hey, this is a significant breach. It absolutely we talk about leaks and for national security reasons. This doesn't seem like something that should have been out there for national security reasons. It is something that needs to be out there for I don't know. First Amendment, you know, some constitutional reasons for what right you have? Is there any level of threat that's acceptable.
00:04:04
Speaker 2: If it's a threat that's large enough or credible enough for you to remove someone from the plane that you don't want to die, then yes.
00:04:12
Speaker 1: Then nobody should be on it. Is that not right?
00:04:14
Speaker 2: Yes?
00:04:15
Speaker 1: I don't understand it.
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Speaker 2: I believe the only way it made the president safer was to endanger the lives of others, just as you put it, because it made his aircraft safer to have their aircraft be the why public face of what the president flies it?
00:04:33
Speaker 1: Why did it need to take off? There's a threat to this.
00:04:37
Speaker 2: Plane because they needed the decoy.
00:04:39
Speaker 1: You know what, we need an extra night. The president is going to stay, he has an additional meeting. Something, Robes, you could have come up with something that didn't involve putting folks at risk unbeknownst to them.
00:04:52
Speaker 2: That's the biggest issue for me.
00:04:53
Speaker 1: Oh Man, this is the story's gotten wilder.
00:04:56
Speaker 2: I do think plenty of journalists probably would have stayed on the plane. I know that this journalist would have d planed. I absolutely would not have chosen and you know, I have taken plenty.
00:05:06
Speaker 1: Of risks Robes given the option. Hey, we got word that the Iranian regime is trying to shoot down this plane. We don't know how credible it is, but you know, just heads up, you want to take this one and you want to take a commercial flight back to DC. Robes, who's going to stay on that plane?
00:05:24
Speaker 2: Now?
00:05:24
Speaker 1: The soul? But then here's the other thing, Robes, is one thing about the press? Well, no, the he has staff that was on that plane, right, it's one thing of him not given a damn about what happens to member of the.
00:05:38
Speaker 2: Press, the fake news.
00:05:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Roally, you're going to risk your own people, your own pilots.
00:05:43
Speaker 2: Yes, apparently, because I was even thinking could they have flown the plane without any passengers? And then no, because the pilot and the co pilot are at risk. Any life lost isn't worth the decoy aspect of it. It seems like there could have been another way to protect the president if the threat was real enough to take him off the plane. There had to have been another way to get those folks home.
00:06:08
Speaker 1: I don't know. They needed the press to get him safely out of Turkey. The press had to help save the president? Is this what the story is?
00:06:18
Speaker 2: Though in turn risked their own lives unknowingly.
00:06:21
Speaker 1: They risked their lives for this man. Unbeknownst to them, we should add. So here is I guess everybody's you've seen this story today, But this was yes, during the NATO summit last month, Rope. So the order of events went this way. The President flew to Turkey. I don't know another way to call it other than the Katari Air Force One. It seems weird to say that when you're talking about the plane that carries around the President. But it was a gift from Cutter. Yes, so we got to keep them separate. Flies a Turkey on a new Katari Air Force one. Then that Air Force one leaves Turkey without Trump heads to a nearby base in other countries so American service members can check it. Ropes that didn't sound right.
00:07:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then the President just wanted to hop back on his old friend, the old Air Force one, just for old time sake.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: So that's what we saw as he was leaving the NATO summit. He climbs up those stairs. You've seen it a million times. He turns around, he waves, he gets onto Air Force one. Then when he gets on that old Air Force one, he secretly slipped out the side of the plane and into a catering truck. That catering truck then drives a president across the tarmac to a smaller military plane. Trump boards that plane along with HEXF and some staff. Pool reporters meanwhile have boarded the old Air Force one that Trump is now secretly left. They have no idea he is not on the plane. So now you got the old Air Force one and Trump on a military plane, both flying the Briton. Trump gets there first, Old Air Force one lands, He secretly is put back onto the old Air Force one. He gets off the old force air air Force one robes waves of the public as if he'd been on the plane the whole time, and then he switches to the Katari Air Force one and takes off, comes back. That was the whole ruse that we're only now finding out about. Robes. People are commenting about this, and I'm curious. I don't know. There are some really funny jokes I've seen about this.
00:08:23
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually didn't get into the catering truck jokes regarding President Trump's weight or love of McDonald's. Those are all that's low hanging fruit.
00:08:34
Speaker 1: Pre mean, yeah, won't even.
00:08:36
Speaker 2: Read any of those, but they are a plenty. But a lot of people are going in the coward direction, so everyone else is expendable to a narcissist DJT to Americans, your deaths are a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I called this when he told the press pool you were probably on a dangerous flight. He sent them ahead a deco decoys without any regard for their safety. So, while leaving Turkey, big brave Trump escapes Air Force one in a catering truck after escaping his Katari plane, hiding between the mash Tatars and the jello, he leaves unsuspecting reporters and staff behind on Air Force one to die. What bravery. We might as well change the eagle out of the presidential seal for one of those plucked, sick, loosing, sick looking chickens. Top it with a bad yellow tupe and you have Trump. Oh yeah, the catering cart coward. Oh no, he left everyone else to die. Shame on him. The bone spur draft dodger shows his true cowardly character. He didn't care about the people on Air Force one. He's not a leader, He's a craven cowards so weak they were willing to let journalists get blown up. Cowardly move just disgusting.
00:09:52
Speaker 1: I could keep going, Okay, we gotta are they going to give us an answer? The ropes, what was the level well of threat to the those folks, because they willingly, they knowingly did that. And we do sign up for certain things when you're around certain people, Robes, you don't sign.
00:10:10
Speaker 2: Up for this to be a moving target.
00:10:14
Speaker 1: I don't know how else they can tell those we took him off because it wasn't safe. We left you on because the level of threat met the level of discretion of your lives for us. What are we talking about your your expendable folks to a certain new and I think you can't tell anybody that level of threat.
00:10:33
Speaker 2: Trump did tell them that when they got on the plane together to head back to New York. He said, if I go, you go. The problem was he made sure he wasn't there, so actually they would just go.
00:10:46
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I hope to get an answer. I hope we get answers. Oh those they get answers. Ropes that this doesn't make sense to me. And to your point, Robes, this is a big problem in the war for in Iran. It might not feel like it necessarily because everything seemed Robes the image, the image, the thought. Just think about that Trump literally had to run away in a catering truck, the leader of the free world, and run and hide from a possible Iranian missile.
00:11:24
Speaker 2: I never thought about how awful that looks in one of those comments. He looks so weak.
00:11:30
Speaker 1: You know, Robes, You and I look at his truth social more than ninety five percent of the country, and robes, how often is he posting something to him in a military uniform, exuding power, next to Patten, next to military general, all this stuff. Robes, He's an eighty year old man who ran away in a cater They put the president in a damn catering truck to get away from Iran. He's not gonna like that, not even a little. He's not gonna like that. But this is not the first time we have seen presidents pull off a little sleight of hand. Will tell you about a couple of instances you might remember. But there's a big difference between what Clinton, Obama and Bush did compared to what Trump just did. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ. The story of the day, Robes. Everybody's buzzing about it. It's a hell of a story. But now we've got a hell of a few questions to ask.
00:12:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious how you would feel personally if you were on that plane finding all of this out Now.
00:12:41
Speaker 1: I think, baby, it might take your breath away. We've seen those pictures, robes, and we've seen them more than most, and we've seen them over the years more than most of war of what robes. It's ugly, and we have seen what Iran is capable of. This is not a game. And to think we were that's twelve hundred miles from Tehran. Yeah, Turkey borders Iran a portion of it. You're in the neighborhood and you're gonna tell me you had a credible threat. They're not just a some chatter. You had a threat that was serious enough you had to act on, and you left my black ass on this plane. I that's not okay. Here's another issue, robes. What is this gonna do with the press corps so that already can't take this administration's word for anything.
00:13:37
Speaker 2: See, and that was where I was gonna go. First of all, I would feel betrayed by my own country.
00:13:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, that's a that's a hell of a word.
00:13:45
Speaker 2: Yes, I would feel betrayed, and I would not trust our government ever again in my life, not just as a journalist, but as a human being. And I actually really started to imagine I was on that plane and what I am covered enough. I have never been on Air Force one, but I had always hoped to one day. It was definitely something I think a lot of journalists hope to get the opportunity to do so if I had been on that plane. And We've been in plenty of dangerous planes and plenty of dangerous situations that we signed up for because we knew the risks and we knew the risk we were taking. We went through certain training, we had certain protocols, certain things in place where we felt comfortable enough, but we knew multiple times, dozens of times in both of our careers, we have chosen to be at risk. But it is something altogether different when you are put in a position like that and you find out after the fact and you had no idea and you had no say in the matter, and it was your own government that put you in potential harm's way. I actually, when you said it would take your breath away, I actually feel like I would probably get emotional and be angry. I would be angry. I wonder if they have any recourse, any legal recourse. I don't know where they go.
00:14:59
Speaker 1: From find out after the fact. Right, there was no at this point, no physical harm. Nobody died, nothing blew. There's that, But that's what I'm saying, Robes. The damage that's done now to that relationship, Robes are damage just to know you were on a plane that had a threat credible enough to pull him off of it in secrecy. Robes, they had the plan this, they had a little time to do this.
00:15:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they couldn't let the people on the plane know that the president was on the plane because then they'd know that they were under threat.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: You you've sat next to me on flights before that have been delayed and delayed, and the captain keeps getting on and say, hey, we just have a maintenance issue they're trying to get worked out, and it gives us an update. Still worked on the maintenance issue. Roase. By that third announcement, I'm looking at you like I don't want to be on this plane.
00:15:58
Speaker 2: Yes, you get antsy, You.
00:16:00
Speaker 1: Get ants Robes. That is my level of concern about you. To run off that plane as soon as I could. I know you, I don't know what is the airline in Turkey. I would have called them up purely. Delta has ad affiliate.
00:16:18
Speaker 2: Yes, at whatever cost, doesn't matter, because I'm alive.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: I want to ask one thing about that was working it out of my head? I was thinking, I probably know the answer. Is there any argument to be made that when you're on air Force one, when you sign up to cover the president, you know it does come with some level of risk.
00:16:35
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, and I think that absolutely. But if there is some exceptional bit of information that was credible enough to warrant removing the president, I also think that they all had a right to know that before they chose to then get on that plane, there is an inherent risk. Yes, But if there's a specific threat to me, that's different.
00:16:58
Speaker 1: This is not it's like not alerting like the rest of your friends, whose backs are turned to the threat. You see somebody walk in with a bomb, nobody else is seeing it, and you just leave, don't alert anybody else. Yep, Like I'm getting out of here, good luck.
00:17:17
Speaker 2: Right, But it's even worse than that, because by them staying now, they are deflecting from you leaving like they're blocking anyone from seeing you leaving, and you almost need them to stay for you to be able to leave. See, it's actually another level to that.
00:17:32
Speaker 1: God is sinister robes, the idea you put it that way, that I need you all to sacrifice.
00:17:39
Speaker 2: You're blocking the killer's view and that's the only way you can escape.
00:17:43
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, this story is fascinating. We have seen presidents pull off, like I say, somewhat of a sleight of hand. The one that's been talked about most robes is two thousand President Clinton flew to Pakistan. But that was a lot different folks. He had a plane, well it was three planes, and he was in one that was unmarked essentially, and folks didn't know he was on that one until he landed and he walked right out. Everybody sees him President Bush Thanksgiving trip. I remember this so well. He was at the Thanksgiving trip. We weren't getting a lot of details. He was down at his ranch in Texas. Next thing you know, he pops up in Iraq. Obama died. Yeah, it was a weird kind of thing that we didn't know what was going on. Thanksgiving he pops up and then Obama did it, and I'm forgetting the year by surprise troops in Afghanistan. He didn't have to fake planes and whatnot. He was just supposed to be a camp David snuck away went to Afghanistan. The difference robes, they had press with them, The whole press pool didn't know. But you have to always commit, as you know, a small number of independent journalists who can document what is happening with the president of the United States.
00:19:01
Speaker 2: Yes, it's called transparency.
00:19:03
Speaker 1: That it is a requirement always, and journalists have been doing this for a long time off the record. They know the president's safety, They're not gonna leak. I wouldn't worry about a single journalist in this country leaking sensitive information about the president's security. If they I think that.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: The President could go there, that could be part of their defense that they don't trust the press, the fake news, and that they wouldn't trust his whereabouts with them, and their decision to honor some sort of embargo.
00:19:34
Speaker 1: Okay, I had to risk your lives because y'all talk too much. Robes, I don't get it.
00:19:41
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna you know, I don't think anyone's going to buy that but I just wonder if that's part of what he might lean on. Well, if you were nicer to me, I might trust you, or something to that effect.
00:19:52
Speaker 1: I don't know if they will give ABM. They might just say this is national security and don't have to give any other answers.
00:19:56
Speaker 2: He's that's probably the best way to go, because there's no good answer.
00:20:03
Speaker 1: I would love for them to try. I would love to hear why you had to what the risk was. But the thing is there was some risk.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: It was risky enough for them to pull off this.
00:20:14
Speaker 1: Roots then then my life is as valuable as his, according to my fiance's you know what I'm saying. Yes, there are parents on that, their fathers and sons and husbands and wives and.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how how soon before they find who leaked this information? Because this is devastating, This.
00:20:35
Speaker 1: One needs to be I don't know. Some will tell you they did a great service by exposing this. Others will tell you, well, hell now o'ron will shoot it everything flying out of the airport. I don't know. This is a mess of a story.
00:20:50
Speaker 2: Uh.
00:20:52
Speaker 1: That's the update for that afternoon, folks. We always appreciate you spending a little time with us. I don't know if y'all can hear that behind it, but somebody wh's apparently read their motorcycles.
00:21:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, there's some there's some excited folks on a motorcycle out there right now.
00:21:05
Speaker 1: Sorry, appreciate you as always, I'm TJ. That's Robes. We'll talk to h
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August eleventh, and did the president in danger the lives of Americans by using a decoy plane in what they now say was a plot by Ran to try to take down the president? And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ with a story robes that people were first getting word of it first thing this morning. It was cool, it was jaw dropping. It was just kind of we were all in awe of what they pulled off in front of the world. People have had a little while to take this in and some different questions and necessary questions are now being asked.
00:00:44
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, this was a very cool, mission impossible esque plan that they were able to pull off. But yeah, what about all those folks who were on Air Force one, who believed the president was on Air Force one, who were then left to basically be sitting ducks if there was some imminent threat.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: It's tough word, but yeah, it might be right right.
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Speaker 2: So, if there was some imminent threat that was considered high enough or risky enough that they needed to put the president on a different plane, shouldn't the folks who stayed behind be given the option to dplane, the option or you could say there was a mechanical error and at least let them be delayed and let them make other choices of getting home like they should have been warned.
00:01:37
Speaker 1: What reasoning could you be given as a journalist on that plane, or even just sitting Hero Robes to say, Okay, I get it, you all made the right call.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to say that, because I think my life is valuable and it's mind to choose how to risk.
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Speaker 1: There is where the therein lies the rub now roes because we're trying to figure out here what the level of threat is. If you, as the United States government, No, there's a threat, we gonna have to call it imminent, but a credible one to a plane that I don't know a hundred citizens are on. You still let that plane fly? The praise is not a risk to the president at that point. Why still let it fly?
00:02:29
Speaker 2: Exactly because you need that threat to believe that the president is on that plane so that the president can leave on a different plane.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense either. If you're telling me, Robes, we as the Secret Service, increase our level of success in our job, which is keeping him alive by decreasing the chance of you surviving.
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Speaker 2: I mean that is what it feels like or appears to be.
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Speaker 1: Like they balance this out, like if we put these folks at more risk, are guys at less risk?
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Speaker 2: Yes, bro, And that's how it reads.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what answers we are ever going to get or deserve, because this is the Secret Service. They don't mess around with this stuff. I don't know who could get in trouble ropes for leaking this, for getting this information out. This seems like something we never should have known.
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Speaker 2: I agree. Because now, by the way, if that ever has been used before, and we're not dumb enough to think it hasn't, well, obviously it can never be used again. Because now if anyone sees a catering truck or anything any option to leave on another side of the aircraft, people will be looking in that direction.
00:03:41
Speaker 1: Hey, this is a significant breach. It absolutely we talk about leaks and for national security reasons. This doesn't seem like something that should have been out there for national security reasons. It is something that needs to be out there for I don't know. First Amendment, you know, some constitutional reasons for what right you have? Is there any level of threat that's acceptable.
00:04:04
Speaker 2: If it's a threat that's large enough or credible enough for you to remove someone from the plane that you don't want to die, then yes.
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Speaker 1: Then nobody should be on it. Is that not right?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it.
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Speaker 2: I believe the only way it made the president safer was to endanger the lives of others, just as you put it, because it made his aircraft safer to have their aircraft be the why public face of what the president flies it?
00:04:33
Speaker 1: Why did it need to take off? There's a threat to this.
00:04:37
Speaker 2: Plane because they needed the decoy.
00:04:39
Speaker 1: You know what, we need an extra night. The president is going to stay, he has an additional meeting. Something, Robes, you could have come up with something that didn't involve putting folks at risk unbeknownst to them.
00:04:52
Speaker 2: That's the biggest issue for me.
00:04:53
Speaker 1: Oh Man, this is the story's gotten wilder.
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Speaker 2: I do think plenty of journalists probably would have stayed on the plane. I know that this journalist would have d planed. I absolutely would not have chosen and you know, I have taken plenty.
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Speaker 1: Of risks Robes given the option. Hey, we got word that the Iranian regime is trying to shoot down this plane. We don't know how credible it is, but you know, just heads up, you want to take this one and you want to take a commercial flight back to DC. Robes, who's going to stay on that plane?
00:05:24
Speaker 2: Now?
00:05:24
Speaker 1: The soul? But then here's the other thing, Robes, is one thing about the press? Well, no, the he has staff that was on that plane, right, it's one thing of him not given a damn about what happens to member of the.
00:05:38
Speaker 2: Press, the fake news.
00:05:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Roally, you're going to risk your own people, your own pilots.
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Speaker 2: Yes, apparently, because I was even thinking could they have flown the plane without any passengers? And then no, because the pilot and the co pilot are at risk. Any life lost isn't worth the decoy aspect of it. It seems like there could have been another way to protect the president if the threat was real enough to take him off the plane. There had to have been another way to get those folks home.
00:06:08
Speaker 1: I don't know. They needed the press to get him safely out of Turkey. The press had to help save the president? Is this what the story is?
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Speaker 2: Though in turn risked their own lives unknowingly.
00:06:21
Speaker 1: They risked their lives for this man. Unbeknownst to them, we should add. So here is I guess everybody's you've seen this story today, But this was yes, during the NATO summit last month, Rope. So the order of events went this way. The President flew to Turkey. I don't know another way to call it other than the Katari Air Force One. It seems weird to say that when you're talking about the plane that carries around the President. But it was a gift from Cutter. Yes, so we got to keep them separate. Flies a Turkey on a new Katari Air Force one. Then that Air Force one leaves Turkey without Trump heads to a nearby base in other countries so American service members can check it. Ropes that didn't sound right.
00:07:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then the President just wanted to hop back on his old friend, the old Air Force one, just for old time sake.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: So that's what we saw as he was leaving the NATO summit. He climbs up those stairs. You've seen it a million times. He turns around, he waves, he gets onto Air Force one. Then when he gets on that old Air Force one, he secretly slipped out the side of the plane and into a catering truck. That catering truck then drives a president across the tarmac to a smaller military plane. Trump boards that plane along with HEXF and some staff. Pool reporters meanwhile have boarded the old Air Force one that Trump is now secretly left. They have no idea he is not on the plane. So now you got the old Air Force one and Trump on a military plane, both flying the Briton. Trump gets there first, Old Air Force one lands, He secretly is put back onto the old Air Force one. He gets off the old force air air Force one robes waves of the public as if he'd been on the plane the whole time, and then he switches to the Katari Air Force one and takes off, comes back. That was the whole ruse that we're only now finding out about. Robes. People are commenting about this, and I'm curious. I don't know. There are some really funny jokes I've seen about this.
00:08:23
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually didn't get into the catering truck jokes regarding President Trump's weight or love of McDonald's. Those are all that's low hanging fruit.
00:08:34
Speaker 1: Pre mean, yeah, won't even.
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Speaker 2: Read any of those, but they are a plenty. But a lot of people are going in the coward direction, so everyone else is expendable to a narcissist DJT to Americans, your deaths are a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I called this when he told the press pool you were probably on a dangerous flight. He sent them ahead a deco decoys without any regard for their safety. So, while leaving Turkey, big brave Trump escapes Air Force one in a catering truck after escaping his Katari plane, hiding between the mash Tatars and the jello, he leaves unsuspecting reporters and staff behind on Air Force one to die. What bravery. We might as well change the eagle out of the presidential seal for one of those plucked, sick, loosing, sick looking chickens. Top it with a bad yellow tupe and you have Trump. Oh yeah, the catering cart coward. Oh no, he left everyone else to die. Shame on him. The bone spur draft dodger shows his true cowardly character. He didn't care about the people on Air Force one. He's not a leader, He's a craven cowards so weak they were willing to let journalists get blown up. Cowardly move just disgusting.
00:09:52
Speaker 1: I could keep going, Okay, we gotta are they going to give us an answer? The ropes, what was the level well of threat to the those folks, because they willingly, they knowingly did that. And we do sign up for certain things when you're around certain people, Robes, you don't sign.
00:10:10
Speaker 2: Up for this to be a moving target.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how else they can tell those we took him off because it wasn't safe. We left you on because the level of threat met the level of discretion of your lives for us. What are we talking about your your expendable folks to a certain new and I think you can't tell anybody that level of threat.
00:10:33
Speaker 2: Trump did tell them that when they got on the plane together to head back to New York. He said, if I go, you go. The problem was he made sure he wasn't there, so actually they would just go.
00:10:46
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I hope to get an answer. I hope we get answers. Oh those they get answers. Ropes that this doesn't make sense to me. And to your point, Robes, this is a big problem in the war for in Iran. It might not feel like it necessarily because everything seemed Robes the image, the image, the thought. Just think about that Trump literally had to run away in a catering truck, the leader of the free world, and run and hide from a possible Iranian missile.
00:11:24
Speaker 2: I never thought about how awful that looks in one of those comments. He looks so weak.
00:11:30
Speaker 1: You know, Robes, You and I look at his truth social more than ninety five percent of the country, and robes, how often is he posting something to him in a military uniform, exuding power, next to Patten, next to military general, all this stuff. Robes, He's an eighty year old man who ran away in a cater They put the president in a damn catering truck to get away from Iran. He's not gonna like that, not even a little. He's not gonna like that. But this is not the first time we have seen presidents pull off a little sleight of hand. Will tell you about a couple of instances you might remember. But there's a big difference between what Clinton, Obama and Bush did compared to what Trump just did. All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ. The story of the day, Robes. Everybody's buzzing about it. It's a hell of a story. But now we've got a hell of a few questions to ask.
00:12:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious how you would feel personally if you were on that plane finding all of this out Now.
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Speaker 1: I think, baby, it might take your breath away. We've seen those pictures, robes, and we've seen them more than most, and we've seen them over the years more than most of war of what robes. It's ugly, and we have seen what Iran is capable of. This is not a game. And to think we were that's twelve hundred miles from Tehran. Yeah, Turkey borders Iran a portion of it. You're in the neighborhood and you're gonna tell me you had a credible threat. They're not just a some chatter. You had a threat that was serious enough you had to act on, and you left my black ass on this plane. I that's not okay. Here's another issue, robes. What is this gonna do with the press corps so that already can't take this administration's word for anything.
00:13:37
Speaker 2: See, and that was where I was gonna go. First of all, I would feel betrayed by my own country.
00:13:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, that's a that's a hell of a word.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I would feel betrayed, and I would not trust our government ever again in my life, not just as a journalist, but as a human being. And I actually really started to imagine I was on that plane and what I am covered enough. I have never been on Air Force one, but I had always hoped to one day. It was definitely something I think a lot of journalists hope to get the opportunity to do so if I had been on that plane. And We've been in plenty of dangerous planes and plenty of dangerous situations that we signed up for because we knew the risks and we knew the risk we were taking. We went through certain training, we had certain protocols, certain things in place where we felt comfortable enough, but we knew multiple times, dozens of times in both of our careers, we have chosen to be at risk. But it is something altogether different when you are put in a position like that and you find out after the fact and you had no idea and you had no say in the matter, and it was your own government that put you in potential harm's way. I actually, when you said it would take your breath away, I actually feel like I would probably get emotional and be angry. I would be angry. I wonder if they have any recourse, any legal recourse. I don't know where they go.
00:14:59
Speaker 1: From find out after the fact. Right, there was no at this point, no physical harm. Nobody died, nothing blew. There's that, But that's what I'm saying, Robes. The damage that's done now to that relationship, Robes are damage just to know you were on a plane that had a threat credible enough to pull him off of it in secrecy. Robes, they had the plan this, they had a little time to do this.
00:15:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they couldn't let the people on the plane know that the president was on the plane because then they'd know that they were under threat.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: You you've sat next to me on flights before that have been delayed and delayed, and the captain keeps getting on and say, hey, we just have a maintenance issue they're trying to get worked out, and it gives us an update. Still worked on the maintenance issue. Roase. By that third announcement, I'm looking at you like I don't want to be on this plane.
00:15:58
Speaker 2: Yes, you get antsy, You.
00:16:00
Speaker 1: Get ants Robes. That is my level of concern about you. To run off that plane as soon as I could. I know you, I don't know what is the airline in Turkey. I would have called them up purely. Delta has ad affiliate.
00:16:18
Speaker 2: Yes, at whatever cost, doesn't matter, because I'm alive.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: I want to ask one thing about that was working it out of my head? I was thinking, I probably know the answer. Is there any argument to be made that when you're on air Force one, when you sign up to cover the president, you know it does come with some level of risk.
00:16:35
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, and I think that absolutely. But if there is some exceptional bit of information that was credible enough to warrant removing the president, I also think that they all had a right to know that before they chose to then get on that plane, there is an inherent risk. Yes, But if there's a specific threat to me, that's different.
00:16:58
Speaker 1: This is not it's like not alerting like the rest of your friends, whose backs are turned to the threat. You see somebody walk in with a bomb, nobody else is seeing it, and you just leave, don't alert anybody else. Yep, Like I'm getting out of here, good luck.
00:17:17
Speaker 2: Right, But it's even worse than that, because by them staying now, they are deflecting from you leaving like they're blocking anyone from seeing you leaving, and you almost need them to stay for you to be able to leave. See, it's actually another level to that.
00:17:32
Speaker 1: God is sinister robes, the idea you put it that way, that I need you all to sacrifice.
00:17:39
Speaker 2: You're blocking the killer's view and that's the only way you can escape.
00:17:43
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, this story is fascinating. We have seen presidents pull off, like I say, somewhat of a sleight of hand. The one that's been talked about most robes is two thousand President Clinton flew to Pakistan. But that was a lot different folks. He had a plane, well it was three planes, and he was in one that was unmarked essentially, and folks didn't know he was on that one until he landed and he walked right out. Everybody sees him President Bush Thanksgiving trip. I remember this so well. He was at the Thanksgiving trip. We weren't getting a lot of details. He was down at his ranch in Texas. Next thing you know, he pops up in Iraq. Obama died. Yeah, it was a weird kind of thing that we didn't know what was going on. Thanksgiving he pops up and then Obama did it, and I'm forgetting the year by surprise troops in Afghanistan. He didn't have to fake planes and whatnot. He was just supposed to be a camp David snuck away went to Afghanistan. The difference robes, they had press with them, The whole press pool didn't know. But you have to always commit, as you know, a small number of independent journalists who can document what is happening with the president of the United States.
00:19:01
Speaker 2: Yes, it's called transparency.
00:19:03
Speaker 1: That it is a requirement always, and journalists have been doing this for a long time off the record. They know the president's safety, They're not gonna leak. I wouldn't worry about a single journalist in this country leaking sensitive information about the president's security. If they I think that.
00:19:20
Speaker 2: The President could go there, that could be part of their defense that they don't trust the press, the fake news, and that they wouldn't trust his whereabouts with them, and their decision to honor some sort of embargo.
00:19:34
Speaker 1: Okay, I had to risk your lives because y'all talk too much. Robes, I don't get it.
00:19:41
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna you know, I don't think anyone's going to buy that but I just wonder if that's part of what he might lean on. Well, if you were nicer to me, I might trust you, or something to that effect.
00:19:52
Speaker 1: I don't know if they will give ABM. They might just say this is national security and don't have to give any other answers.
00:19:56
Speaker 2: He's that's probably the best way to go, because there's no good answer.
00:20:03
Speaker 1: I would love for them to try. I would love to hear why you had to what the risk was. But the thing is there was some risk.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: It was risky enough for them to pull off this.
00:20:14
Speaker 1: Roots then then my life is as valuable as his, according to my fiance's you know what I'm saying. Yes, there are parents on that, their fathers and sons and husbands and wives and.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how how soon before they find who leaked this information? Because this is devastating, This.
00:20:35
Speaker 1: One needs to be I don't know. Some will tell you they did a great service by exposing this. Others will tell you, well, hell now o'ron will shoot it everything flying out of the airport. I don't know. This is a mess of a story.
00:20:50
Speaker 2: Uh.
00:20:52
Speaker 1: That's the update for that afternoon, folks. We always appreciate you spending a little time with us. I don't know if y'all can hear that behind it, but somebody wh's apparently read their motorcycles.
00:21:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, there's some there's some excited folks on a motorcycle out there right now.
00:21:05
Speaker 1: Sorry, appreciate you as always, I'm TJ. That's Robes. We'll talk to h