Aug. 12, 2026
DHS Purchasing Electric Shock Gloves For ICE Agents To Subdue Suspects
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RSS Feed The Department of Homeland Security is planning to spend up to $20 million to purchase a new tool for ICE agents: electric shock gloves. “G.L.O.V.E” stands for “generated low output voltage emitter” and they deliver painful electric shocks used to “gain compliance” from a suspect within three seconds. The pain is described as being similar to a bee sting and proponents hope it could prevent some of the recent shooting deaths we’ve seen between ICE agents and immigrants. Those opposed question whether ICE agents can be trusted with these gloves, and could be a recipe for more harm to the public.
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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, August twelfth, and I guess it's better to be shocked by an ICE agent than to be shot by an ICE agent. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Will Robes. Put some gloves on and use less deadly I guess methods in dealing with the public.
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Speaker 2: And yes, that is what proponents say. Is the good thing about this headline. That is a little shocking to use a bad pun, but yes, we are now learning that the Department of Homeland Security is planning to spend up to twenty million dollars to purchase gloves. And I say gloves because it's actually an acronym glov love. Yes, it stands for generated low output voltage emitter. And what these gloves would do is deliver painful electric shocks to subdue a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Basically, you just said at the top that this is a non deadly method. When I said that, you said yes, So that's what proponents point to as if there might be opponents as well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because there is a lot of distrust about giving any sort of weapon or tool that could induce pain to ICE agents.
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Speaker 1: But it's non non lethal. It's not everybody would celebrate that they're non lethal.
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Speaker 2: There are some people who these gloves should not be used on. And look, you can think about someone who is a child, someone who is perhaps disabled, elderly, a pregnant woman. There are plenty of people who they are concerned this would not work well on. But yes, so there are plenty of folks speaking out against it.
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Speaker 3: But this is kind of crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like a shop collar that you would put on a dog, but you now have it in the hands, literally on the hands of ICE agents. And look, if this all goes through the way we're expecting it to, they would be in use by ICE agents by March of twenty twenty seven. And by the way, these are used already in jails and at police departments around the country. So these are in use, they are being manufactured, and they have been effective according to people who know about the technology.
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Speaker 1: You said jails and what just then and police departments. I did. I don't know if I didn't get a sense in reading about that they're a part of necessarily just daily use. They're like a special tool necessarily to maybe control bigger crowds and whatnot. That's why it makes sense of a jail.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely it does. And look so here's how they work.
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Speaker 2: They and if you look at them, you can you can look at the pictures online. They look like kind of just war gloves, like if you were gonna be.
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Speaker 1: They can look like winter gloves. They look like.
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Speaker 2: Construction gloves like if you're handling, if you're chopping wood and you want to bring the wood in, you don't want to.
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Speaker 3: Get a splinter. So yeah, they're thick.
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Speaker 2: They're thicker gloves, but they can also function as normal patrol gloves. They don't shock everything you touch. You actually have a switch on the glove that is activated and it activates the electrical modes, so they don't they don't shock everything. You actually have to turn them on basically for the electrical shock situation to take.
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Speaker 1: This is where I got a little concern because they also have a standby mode that you can put it in, so you have to kind of hold the button down the one I saw like for a second and it starts. You can do a tap and it just sits there kind of flashes and it's in standby. You can imagine roads, I mean, mistakes could be made. You get the wrong mode, how many. Hell, how many deadly shootings have we seen? And the officer says, I thought I was reaching for my taser, and I was right, and I reach for my gun. So you got to keep in track of is it in standby that I turn it on? Which one? I mean, even going to shake a hand, touching a fellow officer, you could see some mishaps hand.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so, yes, there are a lot of concerns being raised right now. But once you do switch it onto the electrical mode, in order for it to be effective, you actually have to touch someone's skin directly. And look, this is what the manufacturer says. They say that if you use these the way they're intended to be used, it will allow an officer to gain compliance in less than three seconds. Yes, so they say it feels like a beasting, but it literally is shocking.
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Speaker 3: So basically, anyone who's fighting.
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Speaker 2: Or resisting arrest or trying to get away, when you have this glove laid on your skin and you get shocked and you stop, like you stop in your tracks, it literally stops.
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Speaker 3: Someone from that fight and flight mode.
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Speaker 2: And so they say it's very helpful in removing uncooperative suspects from cars, from homes, from detention facilities, and that is what ICE agents have been doing the past.
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Speaker 1: Several years, and looking for compliance to where they're not fighting with someone and weapons aren't pulled and bullets aren't fired. Oh okay, well, I'm just non familiar with how much these have been used and how effective they are considered to.
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Speaker 2: Be exactly Well, they say they are very effective in compliance. Now, I thought this was interesting. This one concerned me a little bit. The manufacturer, what are they liked? Their name, Oh, Compliant Technologies LLC. They're based out of Lexington, Kentucky, so it's an American based company. But they warn that the device should not be used as punishment, and I think that's really interesting. They say, don't use these gloves to punish someone, especially if they're exhibiting verbal defiance or belligerence. It should be only used as a means to secure this individual, to get this individual into custody, to get them into a compliant position. It's not to punish someone because you don't like what they just said to you or what they just did to you.
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Speaker 1: As an officer, of course, they're going to train them fully on this before they send them out with the gloves. This is not going to be a problem. We'd say, next March, next mark, the got plenty of time to get Bill, get everybody compliant.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and so look, the proponents say, as we've been talking about, and this makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 3: And this is why I'm I'm interested.
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Speaker 2: I'm open to this idea because yes, it's non lethal and very unlikely to cause injuries. And to your point about the training, they say, in order for any officer to be using these gloves, they have to complete a course and then be re certified every two years in order to be able to use and handle these gloves.
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Speaker 1: How any idea how many credit hours I have to get through for the sort of.
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Speaker 3: Not sure about one day course?
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Speaker 1: Is it months of training?
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Speaker 2: Didn't say how long the course would take, but that every officer has.
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Speaker 3: To complete it.
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Speaker 2: And look, I didn't even know there was an institute for the Prevention of in custody deaths, but that would make sense that they're on board. They say, if the officer is getting any type of resistance from the person, this is an effective tool. And look, when you think about what the alternative is and what the alternative alternative has been in some cases, it appears is to fire is to shoot. And we've been talking about this ever since, especially this past January with the deaths of Alex Preddi and Renee Good. Why do they have to use lethal force? Why do they have to shoot bullets at someone? Yes, we know they've talked about weaponizing vehicles and all of that, but this would be potentially an alternative.
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Speaker 1: Are they going to take the guns from them? Obviously not right.
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Speaker 2: Obviously not no, But if you can think about an officer having and yes, I know they have tasers, but having these gloves, if you know you're going to extract someone to go get someone from a home, from a car, if you go on with these gloves, you're hopefully less likely going to reach for your gun because you've got a way to subdue this person before actually reaching for lethal force.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: They also say that it's an advantage for and I'm imagining they're talking about women here and older cops, but they say it's an advantage for smaller, weaker or older officers because it results in faster takedowns and shorter confrontations. If you think about it, you've got a smaller disadvantage. Yes, And so now if you've got a suspect or somebody you're trying to subdue or to take into custody, and they're much larger than you. They may feel much more capable of fighting back and resisting arrest. And if you've got these gloves on, you've got the advantage regardless of your size.
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Speaker 1: Is amazing. I'm actually looking at a video here of a local news anchor who allowed this thing to be done on what and he crumbled. He completely crumbled to the floor. He couldn't deal. So to your point, it was just a natural reaction that he had, and his natural reaction to it was to crumble to the ground. I'm going to show this to you in your face, which you react to it. Here you're seeing this for the first time. But this shock glove here, he is some brave local guy in the studio robes. You could tell when it comes on because as soon as he oh, he's not done, he's like, he's on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. And you've got a woman, a female police officer.
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Speaker 1: Who is what half a foot shorter than he is, and just took him down no problem.
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Speaker 2: And now they're showing like there is no visible injury. But it was shocking to this system.
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Speaker 1: Enough, he's still smiling, functioning, talking afterwards, and he's on live TV doing it. So to your point, Robes, you just need a minute to get advantage.
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Speaker 2: And actually seeing that video it makes it seem not as scary as it sounds. But look, you've got civil rights advocates who are deeply alarmed, highly concerned, whatever verbaic you want to use. But the ACLU put out this statement, they said ICE spent the last year showing this country they are too quick to use force. Now they will be able to deploy electric shocks with the slight push of a button that maybe nobody else can see them do. Introducing gloves that can so easily be used to deliver terrible pain and encounters, it's a recipe for harm to the public.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's I get it. It's I don't know how where is the balance roads What should everybody should they not have? I mean they got billy clubs, they have tasers, they have non lethal forms right already. This is another one. So why I guess it's because it's so easy to use.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And look, you even talked about how police are officers. Sometimes we've been walking behind police offers in New York City, they're everywhere, Thank goodness, we appreciate them. But you do see the taser on one side and the gun on the other, and when you're walking, you're thinking how easy it would be to accidentally in an adrenaline rushed, frightening situation where everyone's heart is racing, where you might grab or reach for.
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Speaker 3: The wrong weapon.
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Speaker 2: This would be pretty obvious. You've got these gloves on, You're going in with the intent. If anything goes wrong, all I have to do is electric shock this person and boom, I can get the handcuffs on, no problem.
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Speaker 3: No one's injured, certainly, no one's dead.
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Speaker 1: I like, at the end of it, how these work because which one wasn't in particular? Was it alex pretty where there was a scuffle on the ground. Yeah, so I see some of these scuffles. Everybody's got charged gloves on in there, who's touching whom? And it just seems I don't know. Maybe they'll know how to do and how to handle it. But also, robes, what are the criminals going to start doing on the streets. You don't think they're not gonna They're gonna get word out to everybody out there protesting. Make sure you wear full long sleeves and pants, put gloves on, a gator around your neck. Right, you're only giving them what a little piece of your face to try to touch, to try, and then you're gonna say they slaps you roades. I mean, okay, non deadly. I'm all about I just love to see how this works. And you can you can feel the lawsuits coming. The other thing. People are gonna go out there just in their tidy whities and a tank top and say come touch me and taunt them rope. I don't know how well.
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Speaker 3: You can see.
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Speaker 2: Yes, obviously there are there are some some things they'll have to figure out, but maybe they'll all be taken care of in training and they'll have a mode of operation, they'll know the rules of engagement and everything will be fine.
00:12:48
Speaker 1: Yes, after they take their training course, of.
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Speaker 3: Course, and then they have to re up it every two years. Two years, yeah, every.
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Speaker 1: Two So learn how to use the gloves again, yes, and roads, I looked at it. You put them on, you hit.
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Speaker 2: A button, boom, you're ready to go when we come back. Obviously, the big benefit, the big bonus and the proponents for these gloves, are arguing that this is absolutely going to prevent these ice related deaths we've been seeing, and we have been seeing quite a few just this year alone. We'll talk about that when we come back and welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We're talking about gloves generated low output voltage emitters that the Department of Homeland Security purchasing their biggest purchase ever of these things. They've been used in prisons, in some police departments throughout the country, but now it looks like they will be put literally on the hands of ICE agents and they may be out in the streets as soon as this spring.
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Speaker 3: And look, when you take a look at.
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Speaker 2: Some of these ice related deaths that we've been reporting on over the last few months, I mean this is significant. NPR reported that since March twenty twenty five, there have been thirty instances in which ICE agents have shot civilians slash immigrants.
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Speaker 3: Seven of them have been fatal.
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Speaker 2: We just had two this last month in July, one in Maine, the other in Texas. And the question is, could these gloves have prevented these deaths and some of these shootings?
00:14:35
Speaker 1: And I don't know, And I say that because I think about the shooting the woman, Renee Good, Renee Good. I mean that was a vehicle. Nothing about that one would have been different.
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Speaker 2: Right, her window was unrolled, her arm was exposed. Could they have come and just I don't know.
00:14:55
Speaker 1: That whole scene again, if look, it's.
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Speaker 3: Pretty for sure it seems like it would have helped.
00:15:00
Speaker 1: Again, that was such a wild scene.
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Speaker 2: They thought he had a gun. That was such a wild He did have a gun, but they thought he was holding a gun.
00:15:07
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking as well, he had on a jacket sleeves.
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Speaker 3: Right in Minneapolis, it was January.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. I don't And again, who knows bro rogues. If they have a non lethal tool that can be helpful, we should all be applauding it. The problem is ICE has a reputation that is documented in video that does it necessarily make you feel like there will be responsible with this new tool.
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Speaker 2: And that's the argument from the ACL you several other groups and they're saying, Okay, you guys want to buy all of these electric shot gloves, how about purchasing body cams and how about making sure there are body cams on every single ICE agent and that they are rolling and recording because these last two ICE shooting deaths, Wow, turns out none of them had bodycam video available.
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Speaker 3: That is part of the problem with the transparency.
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Speaker 2: They can claim that these folks use their vehicles as weapons, and that they were using their vehicles as deadly forced and that was the justification for shooting and killing these folks, But the other people in those vehicles who survived have all said, that's not what happened. And unless we actually have the footage to show what did happen, and even when we do, sometimes we argue about what we're seeing.
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Speaker 3: But at least you can make an.
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Speaker 2: Informed decision based on real evidence. And so yes, instead of focusing on new tools to harm.
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Speaker 3: People, to shock people, to.
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Speaker 2: Inflict pain on people, let's take some of that money and some of those resources and ensure that every single ICE agent has a operating bodycam that is recording what's going on in the streets.
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Speaker 1: So, but this is as far as we see. The purchase order, at least said is going to be between ten and twenty million million dollars. I did you see I tell these things about one hundred bucks. And maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I initially saw. Maybe they're using a different version, but we'll see. I don't know ropes that these rolled out, and what are we going to get start getting reports of people complaining about being shocked by ice agents?
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Speaker 3: Possibly?
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Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking, what if someone has a pacemaker? What if someone there are so many and look against a woman could be pregnant and they don't know it. Could that have an effect on an unborn child? Like, there are all sorts of questions that still need to be answered. And look, with the White House insisting and wanting, I didn't realize that there's some sort of they want two thousand arrests today, they've made that known. That's kind of what's out there. So if you've got this impetus, you've got to you've got to arrest folks. Yeah, like a quota, this is how many people we want arrested. And look, there are all sorts of deaths being reported from folks who are in these detention facilities which are overrun and over I mean, we've got a lot of problems to deal with. And look, I do support any time we can find a way to not use deadly forced I think every American would be behind that, And I appreciate the effort to try and find those ways. There are still a lot of other issues with how we are targeting, arresting, and detaining people who we say are not in this country legally that might need to be addressed before this.
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Speaker 3: But look, I guess if it does, and if it.
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Speaker 2: Can be proven to have reduced fatal shootings in this country, I don't know who wouldn't be behind that. It's just there is no one answer, and it certainly there isn't some simple answer, so we.
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Speaker 1: Have to at some point. And I'm sure there's some either members of the law enforcement listening or someone in the house maybe is a member of law enforcement of the family who listen to this and say, y'all don't know what we up against and we would love to be able to do this. I would love to be able to do this instead of striking someone or having to pull out a club and hit someone, or God for the bid, pull out my gun. Well, there are a lot of and they should be listened to in this conversation as well. There are a bunch of good police officers and good cops and good ice agents who we've interacted with at airports. Absolutely right, the great folks out there who would love a and be responsible with using a tool like this. So there's two sides to it, but you can understand also why the public is a little skeptical.
00:19:26
Speaker 2: Yes, something to be aware of, and we will follow this development. I believe we're expecting a formal announcement from the Department of Homeland Security about the contract on Friday, at least that's what we're being told from reporting. But this looks like it is happening, and we will see if it does more good than harm. And I think we'll just have to see what ends up happening this spring when these gloves are coming to a city near you. All right, and without everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 1: Hulk.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, August twelfth, and I guess it's better to be shocked by an ICE agent than to be shot by an ICE agent. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Will Robes. Put some gloves on and use less deadly I guess methods in dealing with the public.
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Speaker 2: And yes, that is what proponents say. Is the good thing about this headline. That is a little shocking to use a bad pun, but yes, we are now learning that the Department of Homeland Security is planning to spend up to twenty million dollars to purchase gloves. And I say gloves because it's actually an acronym glov love. Yes, it stands for generated low output voltage emitter. And what these gloves would do is deliver painful electric shocks to subdue a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Basically, you just said at the top that this is a non deadly method. When I said that, you said yes, So that's what proponents point to as if there might be opponents as well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because there is a lot of distrust about giving any sort of weapon or tool that could induce pain to ICE agents.
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Speaker 1: But it's non non lethal. It's not everybody would celebrate that they're non lethal.
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Speaker 2: There are some people who these gloves should not be used on. And look, you can think about someone who is a child, someone who is perhaps disabled, elderly, a pregnant woman. There are plenty of people who they are concerned this would not work well on. But yes, so there are plenty of folks speaking out against it.
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Speaker 3: But this is kind of crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like a shop collar that you would put on a dog, but you now have it in the hands, literally on the hands of ICE agents. And look, if this all goes through the way we're expecting it to, they would be in use by ICE agents by March of twenty twenty seven. And by the way, these are used already in jails and at police departments around the country. So these are in use, they are being manufactured, and they have been effective according to people who know about the technology.
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Speaker 1: You said jails and what just then and police departments. I did. I don't know if I didn't get a sense in reading about that they're a part of necessarily just daily use. They're like a special tool necessarily to maybe control bigger crowds and whatnot. That's why it makes sense of a jail.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely it does. And look so here's how they work.
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Speaker 2: They and if you look at them, you can you can look at the pictures online. They look like kind of just war gloves, like if you were gonna be.
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Speaker 1: They can look like winter gloves. They look like.
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Speaker 2: Construction gloves like if you're handling, if you're chopping wood and you want to bring the wood in, you don't want to.
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Speaker 3: Get a splinter. So yeah, they're thick.
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Speaker 2: They're thicker gloves, but they can also function as normal patrol gloves. They don't shock everything you touch. You actually have a switch on the glove that is activated and it activates the electrical modes, so they don't they don't shock everything. You actually have to turn them on basically for the electrical shock situation to take.
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Speaker 1: This is where I got a little concern because they also have a standby mode that you can put it in, so you have to kind of hold the button down the one I saw like for a second and it starts. You can do a tap and it just sits there kind of flashes and it's in standby. You can imagine roads, I mean, mistakes could be made. You get the wrong mode, how many. Hell, how many deadly shootings have we seen? And the officer says, I thought I was reaching for my taser, and I was right, and I reach for my gun. So you got to keep in track of is it in standby that I turn it on? Which one? I mean, even going to shake a hand, touching a fellow officer, you could see some mishaps hand.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so, yes, there are a lot of concerns being raised right now. But once you do switch it onto the electrical mode, in order for it to be effective, you actually have to touch someone's skin directly. And look, this is what the manufacturer says. They say that if you use these the way they're intended to be used, it will allow an officer to gain compliance in less than three seconds. Yes, so they say it feels like a beasting, but it literally is shocking.
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Speaker 3: So basically, anyone who's fighting.
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Speaker 2: Or resisting arrest or trying to get away, when you have this glove laid on your skin and you get shocked and you stop, like you stop in your tracks, it literally stops.
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Speaker 3: Someone from that fight and flight mode.
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Speaker 2: And so they say it's very helpful in removing uncooperative suspects from cars, from homes, from detention facilities, and that is what ICE agents have been doing the past.
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Speaker 1: Several years, and looking for compliance to where they're not fighting with someone and weapons aren't pulled and bullets aren't fired. Oh okay, well, I'm just non familiar with how much these have been used and how effective they are considered to.
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Speaker 2: Be exactly Well, they say they are very effective in compliance. Now, I thought this was interesting. This one concerned me a little bit. The manufacturer, what are they liked? Their name, Oh, Compliant Technologies LLC. They're based out of Lexington, Kentucky, so it's an American based company. But they warn that the device should not be used as punishment, and I think that's really interesting. They say, don't use these gloves to punish someone, especially if they're exhibiting verbal defiance or belligerence. It should be only used as a means to secure this individual, to get this individual into custody, to get them into a compliant position. It's not to punish someone because you don't like what they just said to you or what they just did to you.
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Speaker 1: As an officer, of course, they're going to train them fully on this before they send them out with the gloves. This is not going to be a problem. We'd say, next March, next mark, the got plenty of time to get Bill, get everybody compliant.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and so look, the proponents say, as we've been talking about, and this makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 3: And this is why I'm I'm interested.
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Speaker 2: I'm open to this idea because yes, it's non lethal and very unlikely to cause injuries. And to your point about the training, they say, in order for any officer to be using these gloves, they have to complete a course and then be re certified every two years in order to be able to use and handle these gloves.
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Speaker 1: How any idea how many credit hours I have to get through for the sort of.
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Speaker 3: Not sure about one day course?
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Speaker 1: Is it months of training?
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Speaker 2: Didn't say how long the course would take, but that every officer has.
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Speaker 3: To complete it.
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Speaker 2: And look, I didn't even know there was an institute for the Prevention of in custody deaths, but that would make sense that they're on board. They say, if the officer is getting any type of resistance from the person, this is an effective tool. And look, when you think about what the alternative is and what the alternative alternative has been in some cases, it appears is to fire is to shoot. And we've been talking about this ever since, especially this past January with the deaths of Alex Preddi and Renee Good. Why do they have to use lethal force? Why do they have to shoot bullets at someone? Yes, we know they've talked about weaponizing vehicles and all of that, but this would be potentially an alternative.
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Speaker 1: Are they going to take the guns from them? Obviously not right.
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Speaker 2: Obviously not no, But if you can think about an officer having and yes, I know they have tasers, but having these gloves, if you know you're going to extract someone to go get someone from a home, from a car, if you go on with these gloves, you're hopefully less likely going to reach for your gun because you've got a way to subdue this person before actually reaching for lethal force.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: They also say that it's an advantage for and I'm imagining they're talking about women here and older cops, but they say it's an advantage for smaller, weaker or older officers because it results in faster takedowns and shorter confrontations. If you think about it, you've got a smaller disadvantage. Yes, And so now if you've got a suspect or somebody you're trying to subdue or to take into custody, and they're much larger than you. They may feel much more capable of fighting back and resisting arrest. And if you've got these gloves on, you've got the advantage regardless of your size.
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Speaker 1: Is amazing. I'm actually looking at a video here of a local news anchor who allowed this thing to be done on what and he crumbled. He completely crumbled to the floor. He couldn't deal. So to your point, it was just a natural reaction that he had, and his natural reaction to it was to crumble to the ground. I'm going to show this to you in your face, which you react to it. Here you're seeing this for the first time. But this shock glove here, he is some brave local guy in the studio robes. You could tell when it comes on because as soon as he oh, he's not done, he's like, he's on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. And you've got a woman, a female police officer.
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Speaker 1: Who is what half a foot shorter than he is, and just took him down no problem.
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Speaker 2: And now they're showing like there is no visible injury. But it was shocking to this system.
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Speaker 1: Enough, he's still smiling, functioning, talking afterwards, and he's on live TV doing it. So to your point, Robes, you just need a minute to get advantage.
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Speaker 2: And actually seeing that video it makes it seem not as scary as it sounds. But look, you've got civil rights advocates who are deeply alarmed, highly concerned, whatever verbaic you want to use. But the ACLU put out this statement, they said ICE spent the last year showing this country they are too quick to use force. Now they will be able to deploy electric shocks with the slight push of a button that maybe nobody else can see them do. Introducing gloves that can so easily be used to deliver terrible pain and encounters, it's a recipe for harm to the public.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's I get it. It's I don't know how where is the balance roads What should everybody should they not have? I mean they got billy clubs, they have tasers, they have non lethal forms right already. This is another one. So why I guess it's because it's so easy to use.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And look, you even talked about how police are officers. Sometimes we've been walking behind police offers in New York City, they're everywhere, Thank goodness, we appreciate them. But you do see the taser on one side and the gun on the other, and when you're walking, you're thinking how easy it would be to accidentally in an adrenaline rushed, frightening situation where everyone's heart is racing, where you might grab or reach for.
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Speaker 3: The wrong weapon.
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Speaker 2: This would be pretty obvious. You've got these gloves on, You're going in with the intent. If anything goes wrong, all I have to do is electric shock this person and boom, I can get the handcuffs on, no problem.
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Speaker 3: No one's injured, certainly, no one's dead.
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Speaker 1: I like, at the end of it, how these work because which one wasn't in particular? Was it alex pretty where there was a scuffle on the ground. Yeah, so I see some of these scuffles. Everybody's got charged gloves on in there, who's touching whom? And it just seems I don't know. Maybe they'll know how to do and how to handle it. But also, robes, what are the criminals going to start doing on the streets. You don't think they're not gonna They're gonna get word out to everybody out there protesting. Make sure you wear full long sleeves and pants, put gloves on, a gator around your neck. Right, you're only giving them what a little piece of your face to try to touch, to try, and then you're gonna say they slaps you roades. I mean, okay, non deadly. I'm all about I just love to see how this works. And you can you can feel the lawsuits coming. The other thing. People are gonna go out there just in their tidy whities and a tank top and say come touch me and taunt them rope. I don't know how well.
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Speaker 3: You can see.
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Speaker 2: Yes, obviously there are there are some some things they'll have to figure out, but maybe they'll all be taken care of in training and they'll have a mode of operation, they'll know the rules of engagement and everything will be fine.
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Speaker 1: Yes, after they take their training course, of.
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Speaker 3: Course, and then they have to re up it every two years. Two years, yeah, every.
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Speaker 1: Two So learn how to use the gloves again, yes, and roads, I looked at it. You put them on, you hit.
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Speaker 2: A button, boom, you're ready to go when we come back. Obviously, the big benefit, the big bonus and the proponents for these gloves, are arguing that this is absolutely going to prevent these ice related deaths we've been seeing, and we have been seeing quite a few just this year alone. We'll talk about that when we come back and welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We're talking about gloves generated low output voltage emitters that the Department of Homeland Security purchasing their biggest purchase ever of these things. They've been used in prisons, in some police departments throughout the country, but now it looks like they will be put literally on the hands of ICE agents and they may be out in the streets as soon as this spring.
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Speaker 3: And look, when you take a look at.
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Speaker 2: Some of these ice related deaths that we've been reporting on over the last few months, I mean this is significant. NPR reported that since March twenty twenty five, there have been thirty instances in which ICE agents have shot civilians slash immigrants.
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Speaker 3: Seven of them have been fatal.
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Speaker 2: We just had two this last month in July, one in Maine, the other in Texas. And the question is, could these gloves have prevented these deaths and some of these shootings?
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, And I say that because I think about the shooting the woman, Renee Good, Renee Good. I mean that was a vehicle. Nothing about that one would have been different.
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Speaker 2: Right, her window was unrolled, her arm was exposed. Could they have come and just I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That whole scene again, if look, it's.
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Speaker 3: Pretty for sure it seems like it would have helped.
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Speaker 1: Again, that was such a wild scene.
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Speaker 2: They thought he had a gun. That was such a wild He did have a gun, but they thought he was holding a gun.
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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking as well, he had on a jacket sleeves.
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Speaker 3: Right in Minneapolis, it was January.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. I don't And again, who knows bro rogues. If they have a non lethal tool that can be helpful, we should all be applauding it. The problem is ICE has a reputation that is documented in video that does it necessarily make you feel like there will be responsible with this new tool.
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Speaker 2: And that's the argument from the ACL you several other groups and they're saying, Okay, you guys want to buy all of these electric shot gloves, how about purchasing body cams and how about making sure there are body cams on every single ICE agent and that they are rolling and recording because these last two ICE shooting deaths, Wow, turns out none of them had bodycam video available.
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Speaker 3: That is part of the problem with the transparency.
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Speaker 2: They can claim that these folks use their vehicles as weapons, and that they were using their vehicles as deadly forced and that was the justification for shooting and killing these folks, But the other people in those vehicles who survived have all said, that's not what happened. And unless we actually have the footage to show what did happen, and even when we do, sometimes we argue about what we're seeing.
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Speaker 3: But at least you can make an.
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Speaker 2: Informed decision based on real evidence. And so yes, instead of focusing on new tools to harm.
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Speaker 3: People, to shock people, to.
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Speaker 2: Inflict pain on people, let's take some of that money and some of those resources and ensure that every single ICE agent has a operating bodycam that is recording what's going on in the streets.
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Speaker 1: So, but this is as far as we see. The purchase order, at least said is going to be between ten and twenty million million dollars. I did you see I tell these things about one hundred bucks. And maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I initially saw. Maybe they're using a different version, but we'll see. I don't know ropes that these rolled out, and what are we going to get start getting reports of people complaining about being shocked by ice agents?
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Speaker 3: Possibly?
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Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking, what if someone has a pacemaker? What if someone there are so many and look against a woman could be pregnant and they don't know it. Could that have an effect on an unborn child? Like, there are all sorts of questions that still need to be answered. And look, with the White House insisting and wanting, I didn't realize that there's some sort of they want two thousand arrests today, they've made that known. That's kind of what's out there. So if you've got this impetus, you've got to you've got to arrest folks. Yeah, like a quota, this is how many people we want arrested. And look, there are all sorts of deaths being reported from folks who are in these detention facilities which are overrun and over I mean, we've got a lot of problems to deal with. And look, I do support any time we can find a way to not use deadly forced I think every American would be behind that, And I appreciate the effort to try and find those ways. There are still a lot of other issues with how we are targeting, arresting, and detaining people who we say are not in this country legally that might need to be addressed before this.
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Speaker 3: But look, I guess if it does, and if it.
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Speaker 2: Can be proven to have reduced fatal shootings in this country, I don't know who wouldn't be behind that. It's just there is no one answer, and it certainly there isn't some simple answer, so we.
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Speaker 1: Have to at some point. And I'm sure there's some either members of the law enforcement listening or someone in the house maybe is a member of law enforcement of the family who listen to this and say, y'all don't know what we up against and we would love to be able to do this. I would love to be able to do this instead of striking someone or having to pull out a club and hit someone, or God for the bid, pull out my gun. Well, there are a lot of and they should be listened to in this conversation as well. There are a bunch of good police officers and good cops and good ice agents who we've interacted with at airports. Absolutely right, the great folks out there who would love a and be responsible with using a tool like this. So there's two sides to it, but you can understand also why the public is a little skeptical.
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Speaker 2: Yes, something to be aware of, and we will follow this development. I believe we're expecting a formal announcement from the Department of Homeland Security about the contract on Friday, at least that's what we're being told from reporting. But this looks like it is happening, and we will see if it does more good than harm. And I think we'll just have to see what ends up happening this spring when these gloves are coming to a city near you. All right, and without everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 1: Hulk.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk soon.