Sept. 18, 2026
Clancy Holdout Juror Comes Forward; He’s Black, Catholic, and “Didn’t Have Any Doubts”
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RSS Feed The lone holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial has identified himself and is defending his decision. 48-year-old Michael P. Desronvil spoke through his attorney, saying he never had any doubts. Desronvil says he is a devout Catholic and President Trump supporter who understood the law, and believed the evidence and witness testimony pointed to Clancy’s guilt.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, September 18th, and the lone holdout juror in the Lindsey Clancy trial is speaking. He didn't say a lot, but he said a lot. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. I was not expecting this, but through a lawyer now, the holdout juror has been identified. He has said something that's attributed to him, and then his lawyer said a whole bunch that's also gives us an idea of what direction things might be about to go. Rose, but I'll tell you, first of all, I was surprised. I was surprised to hear that we are now hearing from this juror.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't expecting to hear from him.
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Speaker 3: But you know what? It makes sense. And we've experienced this. When you don't talk, people talk for you. When you don't say who you are, you look maybe suspicious or you look like you have something to hide. And so I appreciate the fact that he was willing... to come forward via his attorney, but he's 48 years old. His name is Michael P.
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Speaker 2: Desronville.
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Speaker 3: And this is a guy who moved to the United States when he was four. He has a Haitian immigrant family, a devout Catholic.
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Speaker 1: And so... And we're getting all this from his attorney. They're putting this stuff out, but they did... Is this the only outlet they talked to? I think more than one, but News Nation and someone.
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Speaker 2: News Nation, I know for sure he talked to.
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Speaker 1: They were on a podcast, I believe, as well. They're very... selective right now in the outlets they're going to. They are not sitting down with CBS this morning kind of a thing right now. Not yet, at least.
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Speaker 3: Correct, because they know that would be a different kind of interview. And I appreciate this. Look, they are making sure that his narrative, what he wants to say, stands alone and isn't being, you know, he's not getting beaten up, so to speak, verbally by folks who are questioning him and peppering him with questions. Maybe he's not prepared for that. Maybe he never wants to do that and he shouldn't have to face that. if he doesn't want to. He's already had enough scrutiny. But they've also gone on social media and put out statements. So yes, you can read them. You can see what his point of view is. But I find it very fascinating because his big point was, yes, we are an upstanding and educated family. He wanted people to know he isn't some idiot, some moron who doesn't understand the law. And I can see why that would be important for him to clear up.
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Speaker 1: Rose, because that is the theme of a lot of the objections. Robes, we didn't like it from the beginning. I'll speak for myself, but I think you were in the same camp. Just how this guy was being attacked even during deliberations. We were confused. Why are you all coming after him? He won't agree with you, so now you're trying to find ways almost to discredit him. It never felt right.
00:02:42
Speaker 2: It always felt like bullying to you.
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Speaker 1: It always felt that way. What am I missing here? And some of the language they were using, and he's not... frankly smart enough he doesn't get it and if that didn't work actually he's not following your rules judge even reddingfield came out at one point and said to the judge he looked you in the face and lied he has perjured himself before this year fit rose they were coming after her and then afterwards we find out jake gail king damn did fall off the chair on live tv he's black what What?
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Speaker 3: I mean, does it make sense now to know that he is the son of an immigrant? I mean, he actually himself emigrated to this country at the age of four. He has a strong religious background. He has a strong faith, and that was a huge part of where he stood on this story. He's also made it clear that he leans.
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Speaker 2: To the right.
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Speaker 3: And so, yes, this has often fallen on political lines. For whatever reason, I was actually surprised by that. What you think of Lindsay Clancy or what you think her punishment should be, a lot of folks, where they went was in line with their political beliefs. Whether you, if you were liberal, you thought she should not go to prison and she should be declared mentally ill. Insane, I guess, for lack of a better term. But she suffered postpartum psychosis. And if you're more to the right, if you're more conservative, you want her to go to prison for her crimes.
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Speaker 1: So Robes, this fell exactly in line. Except for what? He's black. So you're not supposed to be in that second camp you just named. That's what's blowing people's minds, and that's why Gayle King's jaw... is still on the floor.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because he's putting it out there that he is a Trump supporter. So he is A Republican, he is to the right of things. And yes, that was not something that Gayle King, or I would argue a lot of folks, were expecting.
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Speaker 1: He had to be a certain thing in a certain way. We label folks, nope, you can't be this, he must be this, he's got to be this. What? He's a black guy?
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Speaker 2: A black Catholic who's Republican?
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Speaker 1: A black Catholic.
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Speaker 2: Who is this person?
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Speaker 1: Yes, they exist, folks. And just happened to be one in that jury room. who is being hailed by his attorney. We're going to read these statements. Robes, an American hero.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And I think a lot of people do look at him like that.
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Speaker 3: And I have to say, I saw his, because they were digging up all, and I say they, the media, digging up a bunch of things about his passing. He had an accusation of domestic violence. He was never convicted. Whether or not he paid his rent or not, yada, yada, yada. You have an image in your mind. I see this picture they release of him with his jury card. He looks like the sweetest guy with the biggest smile.
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Speaker 1: Sweet face boy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a really, he has a, I don't know. He has a really sweet, warm face. It was not what I was expecting.
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Speaker 1: And again, we're only seeing a picture. We have no idea about this guy's background. Good guy, bad guy, just a guy. That's not what we're talking about. We're only judging this world based on what we see and based now on what he has said, at least the words that are attributed to him. Now this, Rogues, we have the longer statements and stuff he said from him. that came from his attorney, but initially, his attorney offered this statement on his client's behalf.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have any doubts.
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Speaker 3: As I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based on the evidence present. Based on all of the physical evidence, key witnesses, and what the prosecution presented, I thought it was enough proof that she, Clancy, knew exactly what she was doing and planned.
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Speaker 1: End of story, is it not?
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Speaker 2: He gets to have that opinion.
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Speaker 1: He gets to. And the world gets to. And you just happen to have one of them in the jury room that feels that way and feels strongly that way. Robes, how many times did he come up? We talked about the prosecution mentioning sin, right?
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Speaker 2: Mortal sin. And that spoke to him as a Catholic.
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Speaker 3: And it.
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Speaker 1: Robes, he is a man of faith. And as a man of faith, yes, you get to bring that into the jury room. Everybody has their back. Absolutely. Everybody has it.
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Speaker 3: We wondered, and certainly you saw defense attorney Kevin Reddington go crazy when mortal sin was brought up twice by the prosecutors because you aren't supposed to do that. You are not supposed to bring that into a courtroom, into a U.S. courtroom, separation of church and state. But when she brought that up, she knew what she was doing because if she had a devout Catholic on there, and chances were she did in the Boston area, which is predominantly Catholic, she knew she could speak to that juror or those jurors because, yes, as a person myself who was raised in the Catholic faith, you know dying by suicide is a mortal sin.
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Speaker 2: You cannot go to heaven.
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Speaker 3: So how would she possibly think she was going to be with her kids if she then died?
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Speaker 2: Killed herself.
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Speaker 1: This was a part of the conversation. Mortal sin. Catholicism, right? And the prosecution, it was at least two, a witness did it once, right? Brought up, Catholic brought up mortal sin. So it happened twice in there. So if the prosecution was trying to sneak it in there, hoping they'd have a devout Catholic on that jury, she was probably not looking, thinking... She.
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Speaker 2: Probably didn't think it was Michael from Haiti. No.
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Speaker 3: But his lawyer statement is really worth a read. So we'll read it to you right now. I can confirm that I am representing the courageous and heroic lone holdout juror from the Lindsay Clancy trial. He is an American hero. and champion of justice. Please pray for him and help us protect him. This American hero and champion of justice loves the United States of America as the greatest country in the world, cherishes our sacred constitution as the pinnacle of human liberty, and supports our amazing leader, President Donald J. Trump, as a fellow defender of common sense, liberty, and sanity.
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Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't put that in there.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what? His lawyer... Was a lawyer of President Trump's.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying as far as defending his client in this conversation, I wish it's not in there. Because this now turns it into something else.
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Speaker 2: Political.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is. To where even if you gave this guy just a little pass and wanted to listen to this juror.
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Speaker 2: You turn off half the country now.
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Speaker 1: You turn off. And they absolutely don't want to listen. And now they feel justified to go after this guy. Of course. Because he's a Trump supporter.
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Speaker 2: He's MAGA.
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Speaker 3: Right. So the statement goes on to say, and champion of justice, will be held accountable to the maximum extent of the law and beyond. In the meantime, though, he has persevered and remains utterly unbroken thanks to his devout Catholic faith. As a devoted father and a man of God, he will not be defeated or shattered by the wicked who wish harm upon him. He is presently safe and sound at an undisclosed secure location in a rural area of northern New England.
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Speaker 1: Why do you get vaguely specific? It's vague and specific at the same time.
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Speaker 2: The longitude and latitude are as follows.
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Speaker 1: Rural?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Lastly, this American hero and champion of justice thanks all of you who have stood by him for your kindness, prayers, and support.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to stand by him. You should support. Everybody should support his right to do what he did. It is the system. You don't like his vote Robes, how hard is it? He is one of, I think they said it was somebody who was 22 on this jury, but he's on the younger end of everybody on this. And he had 11 white folks, mostly older than he is, for seven days. Wow. Telling him to change his mind. Wow. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 2: 48-year-old Michael P.
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Speaker 3: Desronville is who this is. And yes, he, I think this is probably, at least for him, going to set him free, being able to defend himself, family and friends defending.
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Speaker 1: Him as well.
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Speaker 3: He has a way, yeah. But look, the fact that he has to be at a secure location is telling.
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Speaker 1: And scary that we have to protect jurors from physical harm, potentially. But stay with us, folks. This attorney wasn't done. Had more statements, more things to say, including he wants to give a heads up and a warning to anybody who is trying to at least financially support his client. We'll explain that. And also, Robes, we heard about whether or not we will be hearing from this juror again anytime soon.
00:11:52
Speaker 3: We are hearing from the holdout juror himself. Well, at least via his attorney, because the holdout juror himself is in hiding right now somewhere in rural New England. And so that's all we have in terms of. Where he is, but they say, his lawyer says, he is unbroken, he is doing well, and yes, now he wants his side of the story to be told. But there are folks, we've talked about this, there are gives and goes, GoFundMe accounts that say they're operating on behalf of... His client, he says to be careful, to beware. Any and all Give, Send, Go or GoFundMe accounts that purport to be operating on behalf of our courageous loan holdout juror, American hero and champion of justice are 100% fake.
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Speaker 2: Babe, this is crazy. They have raised a ton of money.
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Speaker 1: Robes, I was trying to get the latest from those two. Robes, this is scary. People are putting money out there and giving it to whom? Like, who are these? But he has said there is not a dime that has anywhere been collected for him that's actually for him.
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Speaker 3: Yes, he said they're 100% fake or at minimum were created by well-meaning individuals who we are not yet in touch with. So they're holding out hope maybe that these accounts will at some point get in touch with this attorney because maybe up until now.
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Speaker 2: There was no way. Let's think the best of these folks who have set up these funds. Perhaps they....
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Speaker 3: They were just waiting for how to get this money to them or to him. But anyway, he goes on to say, we are in the process of arranging for appropriate and proper measures in this regard. In the meantime, Anything else is an unauthorized scam or possibly unauthorized but well-meaning until I announce otherwise. Do not fall victim to opportunistic bad guys. And with regard to the unauthorized but well-meaning folks, we must first figure out what's going on with them. To those well-meaning folks, thank you for your humanity and kindness.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hundreds of thousands are being raised right now. And maybe, like you said, baby, it might be.
00:14:03
Speaker 2: They were waiting to find out who to direct the money.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: To but he's also saying there are some bad actors there are yeah.
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Speaker 2: And look, they will be prosecuted.
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Speaker 3: You can't go up and put up a charitable donation and say, hey, this money is going here and then pocket it for yourself. So I'm sure this will be easy to track down. So yes, anyone who thought they were going to get away with it, that's a very public, idiotic way to commit a crime.
00:14:25
Speaker 2: But we did get.
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Speaker 3: More from the attorney about media requests for his client.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, stop sending them. No, people are not going to stop sending them. But he says his client is not going to be Talking, he said, quote, I appreciate and respect the numerous understandable media requests that have poured in regarding our American hero and champion of justice. He will not be giving any interviews at this time. None. Zero. Moreover, I, too, will not be giving any interviews on his behalf at this time. None. Zero. Trying to make a point there, Robes. We are putting a lid on this thing and shutting it down. You can stop asking. I will not be doing any interviews. He won't either. That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: He made it very clear.
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Speaker 3: And he's very good at just saying the same thing. I feel like reading his statements are almost like reading a Trump Truth Social post. They're cut from the same cloth.
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Speaker 2: So it's not shocking.
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Speaker 1: Repetition, certain words for emphasis. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yes. So he wants it to be very clear. This is what is not happening. And look, I would imagine he probably feels concerned for his safety at this point. And why would he put himself out there, put his face? And look, we don't know that he says he's doing well, but I can't imagine what this is like for an everyday citizen to suddenly be thrust into this type of spotlight with this kind of scrutiny with a lot of people who feel extremely passionately against you.
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Speaker 1: Angered, certainly, Robes. But we have seen what anger turns into in this country in recent years. This is scary. There are threats going his way. To do your service that you are called to do, required to do, should not then require you to get police protection and to go into hiding. And the police, it should be provided by the court. If he needs it, he should get it. Absolutely. Everybody, you see that jury summons come in the mail. Everybody, everybody right now goes, ugh, I got to do this. But Rose, what if you add to this? Ugh, what's going to happen to me?
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Speaker 2: Right. What if someone doesn't like what I decide is the best verdict?
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Speaker 1: We'll see him maybe at some point come out public and hope so because that will let us know that maybe things have calmed down. I would like to see him sitting down with those other jurors. I don't know how much they hate this guy. But how heated did it get in that room? We hated what happened from the jump with this guy. It's... It seems to be getting worse.
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Speaker 3: I was like, it's even uglier than we anticipated. But we will, of course, stay on top of it. It is good to hear from him. At least he got out what he wanted to say via his attorney. And with that, everyone, thank you for listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, September 18th, and the lone holdout juror in the Lindsey Clancy trial is speaking. He didn't say a lot, but he said a lot. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. I was not expecting this, but through a lawyer now, the holdout juror has been identified. He has said something that's attributed to him, and then his lawyer said a whole bunch that's also gives us an idea of what direction things might be about to go. Rose, but I'll tell you, first of all, I was surprised. I was surprised to hear that we are now hearing from this juror.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't expecting to hear from him.
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Speaker 3: But you know what? It makes sense. And we've experienced this. When you don't talk, people talk for you. When you don't say who you are, you look maybe suspicious or you look like you have something to hide. And so I appreciate the fact that he was willing... to come forward via his attorney, but he's 48 years old. His name is Michael P.
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Speaker 2: Desronville.
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Speaker 3: And this is a guy who moved to the United States when he was four. He has a Haitian immigrant family, a devout Catholic.
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Speaker 1: And so... And we're getting all this from his attorney. They're putting this stuff out, but they did... Is this the only outlet they talked to? I think more than one, but News Nation and someone.
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Speaker 2: News Nation, I know for sure he talked to.
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Speaker 1: They were on a podcast, I believe, as well. They're very... selective right now in the outlets they're going to. They are not sitting down with CBS this morning kind of a thing right now. Not yet, at least.
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Speaker 3: Correct, because they know that would be a different kind of interview. And I appreciate this. Look, they are making sure that his narrative, what he wants to say, stands alone and isn't being, you know, he's not getting beaten up, so to speak, verbally by folks who are questioning him and peppering him with questions. Maybe he's not prepared for that. Maybe he never wants to do that and he shouldn't have to face that. if he doesn't want to. He's already had enough scrutiny. But they've also gone on social media and put out statements. So yes, you can read them. You can see what his point of view is. But I find it very fascinating because his big point was, yes, we are an upstanding and educated family. He wanted people to know he isn't some idiot, some moron who doesn't understand the law. And I can see why that would be important for him to clear up.
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Speaker 1: Rose, because that is the theme of a lot of the objections. Robes, we didn't like it from the beginning. I'll speak for myself, but I think you were in the same camp. Just how this guy was being attacked even during deliberations. We were confused. Why are you all coming after him? He won't agree with you, so now you're trying to find ways almost to discredit him. It never felt right.
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Speaker 2: It always felt like bullying to you.
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Speaker 1: It always felt that way. What am I missing here? And some of the language they were using, and he's not... frankly smart enough he doesn't get it and if that didn't work actually he's not following your rules judge even reddingfield came out at one point and said to the judge he looked you in the face and lied he has perjured himself before this year fit rose they were coming after her and then afterwards we find out jake gail king damn did fall off the chair on live tv he's black what What?
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Speaker 3: I mean, does it make sense now to know that he is the son of an immigrant? I mean, he actually himself emigrated to this country at the age of four. He has a strong religious background. He has a strong faith, and that was a huge part of where he stood on this story. He's also made it clear that he leans.
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Speaker 2: To the right.
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Speaker 3: And so, yes, this has often fallen on political lines. For whatever reason, I was actually surprised by that. What you think of Lindsay Clancy or what you think her punishment should be, a lot of folks, where they went was in line with their political beliefs. Whether you, if you were liberal, you thought she should not go to prison and she should be declared mentally ill. Insane, I guess, for lack of a better term. But she suffered postpartum psychosis. And if you're more to the right, if you're more conservative, you want her to go to prison for her crimes.
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Speaker 1: So Robes, this fell exactly in line. Except for what? He's black. So you're not supposed to be in that second camp you just named. That's what's blowing people's minds, and that's why Gayle King's jaw... is still on the floor.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because he's putting it out there that he is a Trump supporter. So he is A Republican, he is to the right of things. And yes, that was not something that Gayle King, or I would argue a lot of folks, were expecting.
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Speaker 1: He had to be a certain thing in a certain way. We label folks, nope, you can't be this, he must be this, he's got to be this. What? He's a black guy?
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Speaker 2: A black Catholic who's Republican?
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Speaker 1: A black Catholic.
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Speaker 2: Who is this person?
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Speaker 1: Yes, they exist, folks. And just happened to be one in that jury room. who is being hailed by his attorney. We're going to read these statements. Robes, an American hero.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And I think a lot of people do look at him like that.
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Speaker 3: And I have to say, I saw his, because they were digging up all, and I say they, the media, digging up a bunch of things about his passing. He had an accusation of domestic violence. He was never convicted. Whether or not he paid his rent or not, yada, yada, yada. You have an image in your mind. I see this picture they release of him with his jury card. He looks like the sweetest guy with the biggest smile.
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Speaker 1: Sweet face boy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a really, he has a, I don't know. He has a really sweet, warm face. It was not what I was expecting.
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Speaker 1: And again, we're only seeing a picture. We have no idea about this guy's background. Good guy, bad guy, just a guy. That's not what we're talking about. We're only judging this world based on what we see and based now on what he has said, at least the words that are attributed to him. Now this, Rogues, we have the longer statements and stuff he said from him. that came from his attorney, but initially, his attorney offered this statement on his client's behalf.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have any doubts.
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Speaker 3: As I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based on the evidence present. Based on all of the physical evidence, key witnesses, and what the prosecution presented, I thought it was enough proof that she, Clancy, knew exactly what she was doing and planned.
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Speaker 1: End of story, is it not?
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Speaker 2: He gets to have that opinion.
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Speaker 1: He gets to. And the world gets to. And you just happen to have one of them in the jury room that feels that way and feels strongly that way. Robes, how many times did he come up? We talked about the prosecution mentioning sin, right?
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Speaker 2: Mortal sin. And that spoke to him as a Catholic.
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Speaker 3: And it.
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Speaker 1: Robes, he is a man of faith. And as a man of faith, yes, you get to bring that into the jury room. Everybody has their back. Absolutely. Everybody has it.
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Speaker 3: We wondered, and certainly you saw defense attorney Kevin Reddington go crazy when mortal sin was brought up twice by the prosecutors because you aren't supposed to do that. You are not supposed to bring that into a courtroom, into a U.S. courtroom, separation of church and state. But when she brought that up, she knew what she was doing because if she had a devout Catholic on there, and chances were she did in the Boston area, which is predominantly Catholic, she knew she could speak to that juror or those jurors because, yes, as a person myself who was raised in the Catholic faith, you know dying by suicide is a mortal sin.
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Speaker 2: You cannot go to heaven.
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Speaker 3: So how would she possibly think she was going to be with her kids if she then died?
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Speaker 2: Killed herself.
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Speaker 1: This was a part of the conversation. Mortal sin. Catholicism, right? And the prosecution, it was at least two, a witness did it once, right? Brought up, Catholic brought up mortal sin. So it happened twice in there. So if the prosecution was trying to sneak it in there, hoping they'd have a devout Catholic on that jury, she was probably not looking, thinking... She.
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Speaker 2: Probably didn't think it was Michael from Haiti. No.
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Speaker 3: But his lawyer statement is really worth a read. So we'll read it to you right now. I can confirm that I am representing the courageous and heroic lone holdout juror from the Lindsay Clancy trial. He is an American hero. and champion of justice. Please pray for him and help us protect him. This American hero and champion of justice loves the United States of America as the greatest country in the world, cherishes our sacred constitution as the pinnacle of human liberty, and supports our amazing leader, President Donald J. Trump, as a fellow defender of common sense, liberty, and sanity.
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Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't put that in there.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what? His lawyer... Was a lawyer of President Trump's.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying as far as defending his client in this conversation, I wish it's not in there. Because this now turns it into something else.
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Speaker 2: Political.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is. To where even if you gave this guy just a little pass and wanted to listen to this juror.
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Speaker 2: You turn off half the country now.
00:09:21
Speaker 1: You turn off. And they absolutely don't want to listen. And now they feel justified to go after this guy. Of course. Because he's a Trump supporter.
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Speaker 2: He's MAGA.
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Speaker 3: Right. So the statement goes on to say, and champion of justice, will be held accountable to the maximum extent of the law and beyond. In the meantime, though, he has persevered and remains utterly unbroken thanks to his devout Catholic faith. As a devoted father and a man of God, he will not be defeated or shattered by the wicked who wish harm upon him. He is presently safe and sound at an undisclosed secure location in a rural area of northern New England.
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Speaker 1: Why do you get vaguely specific? It's vague and specific at the same time.
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Speaker 2: The longitude and latitude are as follows.
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Speaker 1: Rural?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Lastly, this American hero and champion of justice thanks all of you who have stood by him for your kindness, prayers, and support.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to stand by him. You should support. Everybody should support his right to do what he did. It is the system. You don't like his vote Robes, how hard is it? He is one of, I think they said it was somebody who was 22 on this jury, but he's on the younger end of everybody on this. And he had 11 white folks, mostly older than he is, for seven days. Wow. Telling him to change his mind. Wow. Who is this guy?
00:10:51
Speaker 2: 48-year-old Michael P.
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Speaker 3: Desronville is who this is. And yes, he, I think this is probably, at least for him, going to set him free, being able to defend himself, family and friends defending.
00:11:05
Speaker 1: Him as well.
00:11:05
Speaker 3: He has a way, yeah. But look, the fact that he has to be at a secure location is telling.
00:11:11
Speaker 1: And scary that we have to protect jurors from physical harm, potentially. But stay with us, folks. This attorney wasn't done. Had more statements, more things to say, including he wants to give a heads up and a warning to anybody who is trying to at least financially support his client. We'll explain that. And also, Robes, we heard about whether or not we will be hearing from this juror again anytime soon.
00:11:52
Speaker 3: We are hearing from the holdout juror himself. Well, at least via his attorney, because the holdout juror himself is in hiding right now somewhere in rural New England. And so that's all we have in terms of. Where he is, but they say, his lawyer says, he is unbroken, he is doing well, and yes, now he wants his side of the story to be told. But there are folks, we've talked about this, there are gives and goes, GoFundMe accounts that say they're operating on behalf of... His client, he says to be careful, to beware. Any and all Give, Send, Go or GoFundMe accounts that purport to be operating on behalf of our courageous loan holdout juror, American hero and champion of justice are 100% fake.
00:12:44
Speaker 2: Babe, this is crazy. They have raised a ton of money.
00:12:48
Speaker 1: Robes, I was trying to get the latest from those two. Robes, this is scary. People are putting money out there and giving it to whom? Like, who are these? But he has said there is not a dime that has anywhere been collected for him that's actually for him.
00:13:01
Speaker 3: Yes, he said they're 100% fake or at minimum were created by well-meaning individuals who we are not yet in touch with. So they're holding out hope maybe that these accounts will at some point get in touch with this attorney because maybe up until now.
00:13:16
Speaker 2: There was no way. Let's think the best of these folks who have set up these funds. Perhaps they....
00:13:23
Speaker 3: They were just waiting for how to get this money to them or to him. But anyway, he goes on to say, we are in the process of arranging for appropriate and proper measures in this regard. In the meantime, Anything else is an unauthorized scam or possibly unauthorized but well-meaning until I announce otherwise. Do not fall victim to opportunistic bad guys. And with regard to the unauthorized but well-meaning folks, we must first figure out what's going on with them. To those well-meaning folks, thank you for your humanity and kindness.
00:13:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, hundreds of thousands are being raised right now. And maybe, like you said, baby, it might be.
00:14:03
Speaker 2: They were waiting to find out who to direct the money.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: To but he's also saying there are some bad actors there are yeah.
00:14:08
Speaker 2: And look, they will be prosecuted.
00:14:10
Speaker 3: You can't go up and put up a charitable donation and say, hey, this money is going here and then pocket it for yourself. So I'm sure this will be easy to track down. So yes, anyone who thought they were going to get away with it, that's a very public, idiotic way to commit a crime.
00:14:25
Speaker 2: But we did get.
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Speaker 3: More from the attorney about media requests for his client.
00:14:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop sending them. No, people are not going to stop sending them. But he says his client is not going to be Talking, he said, quote, I appreciate and respect the numerous understandable media requests that have poured in regarding our American hero and champion of justice. He will not be giving any interviews at this time. None. Zero. Moreover, I, too, will not be giving any interviews on his behalf at this time. None. Zero. Trying to make a point there, Robes. We are putting a lid on this thing and shutting it down. You can stop asking. I will not be doing any interviews. He won't either. That makes sense.
00:15:04
Speaker 2: He made it very clear.
00:15:05
Speaker 3: And he's very good at just saying the same thing. I feel like reading his statements are almost like reading a Trump Truth Social post. They're cut from the same cloth.
00:15:16
Speaker 2: So it's not shocking.
00:15:17
Speaker 1: Repetition, certain words for emphasis. Yeah.
00:15:19
Speaker 3: Yes. So he wants it to be very clear. This is what is not happening. And look, I would imagine he probably feels concerned for his safety at this point. And why would he put himself out there, put his face? And look, we don't know that he says he's doing well, but I can't imagine what this is like for an everyday citizen to suddenly be thrust into this type of spotlight with this kind of scrutiny with a lot of people who feel extremely passionately against you.
00:15:50
Speaker 1: Angered, certainly, Robes. But we have seen what anger turns into in this country in recent years. This is scary. There are threats going his way. To do your service that you are called to do, required to do, should not then require you to get police protection and to go into hiding. And the police, it should be provided by the court. If he needs it, he should get it. Absolutely. Everybody, you see that jury summons come in the mail. Everybody, everybody right now goes, ugh, I got to do this. But Rose, what if you add to this? Ugh, what's going to happen to me?
00:16:28
Speaker 2: Right. What if someone doesn't like what I decide is the best verdict?
00:16:35
Speaker 1: We'll see him maybe at some point come out public and hope so because that will let us know that maybe things have calmed down. I would like to see him sitting down with those other jurors. I don't know how much they hate this guy. But how heated did it get in that room? We hated what happened from the jump with this guy. It's... It seems to be getting worse.
00:16:56
Speaker 3: I was like, it's even uglier than we anticipated. But we will, of course, stay on top of it. It is good to hear from him. At least he got out what he wanted to say via his attorney. And with that, everyone, thank you for listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes.
00:17:09
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.